Blind Betrayal - The Fate of Paladin Danse - Fallout 4 Lore

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 14 гру 2016
  • Subscribe!: oxhorn.it/youtube-subscribe-to...
    Support on Patreon: / oxhorn
    My Twitch: / scotchandsmokerings
    Mods Used: oxhorn.it/mods-used
    Oxhorn's Free Fallout 4 Settlement Happiness Calculator: oxhorn.it/happiness-calculator
    My Fantasy Novel: www.cloranhastings.com/
    ALL of my settlements and their status: oxhorn.it/settlement-status
  • Ігри

КОМЕНТАРІ • 8 тис.

  • @c-side5462
    @c-side5462 4 роки тому +3730

    Brotherhood: executes trusted member after finding they are a synth
    Also brotherhood: let’s nick valentine, strong, and Hancock on board with no questions asked

    • @goku3460
      @goku3460 4 роки тому +337

      *raises finger* *takes in breath* ... you got a point there

    • @variks567
      @variks567 4 роки тому +32

      Exactly

    • @hhaking9656
      @hhaking9656 4 роки тому +142

      And orders you to kill Virgil

    • @dougdimadome9287
      @dougdimadome9287 4 роки тому +23

      The math checks out

    • @mahamann7734
      @mahamann7734 4 роки тому +7

      I didn't know da hankok is synth

  • @comradecrunch9657
    @comradecrunch9657 5 років тому +4207

    17:41
    Preston: I cant believe you just stood by and let Maxon murder your friend. Synth or not he deserved better from you. *Also Preston: walks on danse*

  • @BunnyOfThunder
    @BunnyOfThunder 3 роки тому +668

    The real tragedy to not having the fourth ending is the quest could have been called "Danse Danse Revolution"

    • @DarrenRodda
      @DarrenRodda Рік тому +17

      YES. SO MUCH YES.

    • @TurtleTime26
      @TurtleTime26 11 місяців тому +3

      Goddammit this is too good gjsncjzjd

    • @Edmonton-of2ec
      @Edmonton-of2ec 9 місяців тому +1

      LMFAO

    • @uberboomer8670
      @uberboomer8670 8 місяців тому +7

      Bethesda, hire this man!!

    • @LeigonX
      @LeigonX 5 місяців тому +6

      That's just as good as Curie: Become Human

  • @scotterbean1278
    @scotterbean1278 2 роки тому +497

    The voice acting between Danse and Maxson and the mocap is so good.

    • @TYLKOPOLSKA940
      @TYLKOPOLSKA940 10 місяців тому +7

      When I was playing danse was nacked I also couldn't kill him

    • @Nonitrocody
      @Nonitrocody 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@TYLKOPOLSKA940did you get his uniform when he was in power armor?

    • @TYLKOPOLSKA940
      @TYLKOPOLSKA940 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Nonitrocody no

    • @Nonitrocody
      @Nonitrocody 10 місяців тому +1

      @@TYLKOPOLSKA940 well then i have no idea to why he was naked

    • @giovannicesaramorim9adigan961
      @giovannicesaramorim9adigan961 5 місяців тому +1

      I doubt there is mocap

  • @Tradeofjane
    @Tradeofjane 6 років тому +2939

    Maxson: "Flesh is Flesh. Machine is machine. The two were never meant to intertwine." Says the man with cybernetic implants.

    • @57ashdot
      @57ashdot 6 років тому +457

      I did find that line super ironic considering how many of the BoS soldiers are encased in Power Armor most of the time.

    • @supersneakyshrub3975
      @supersneakyshrub3975 5 років тому +72

      Paplocino Found the wannabe Paladin

    • @katarinakarpe2931
      @katarinakarpe2931 5 років тому +26

      Yeah maxsons is just a nuthead

    • @katarinakarpe2931
      @katarinakarpe2931 5 років тому +4

      @@57ashdot yeah that's kind of funny

    • @karlkeortge7370
      @karlkeortge7370 5 років тому +62

      Synths are the result of man trying to play God, they must be destroyed

  • @lsswappedcessna
    @lsswappedcessna 7 років тому +3609

    We can Danse if we want to.

    • @r3dp9
      @r3dp9 7 років тому +300

      And if your friends don't Danse, and if they can't Danse, then their no friends of mine.

    • @themudpit621
      @themudpit621 7 років тому +77

      And we can dress real neat
      From our hats to our feet
      And surprise 'em with the victory cry

    • @D2N13L_
      @D2N13L_ 7 років тому +54

      to be an effective part of the team you need to know your way around the *danse* Floor

    • @tjponce7124
      @tjponce7124 7 років тому +15

      You can leave Your friends behind.

    • @tjponce7124
      @tjponce7124 7 років тому +9

      We can leave Your friends behind.

  • @mesmereyesthesimpleminded9607
    @mesmereyesthesimpleminded9607 Рік тому +332

    There's a cut quest called "Elderly Care" where Danse challenges Maxson to a dual for control of the Brotherhood of Steel. Danse is scripted to win, and after that he tries to convince you to become Elder, which you can
    You can also pass a red speech check to convince DANSE to become the new elder, which if you pass he does. I really wish they had kept that quest in the game and if there's a mod that restores it I want it

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 Рік тому +30

      Danse Dilemma is the mod name iirc.

    • @Mr_Gray_1995
      @Mr_Gray_1995 11 місяців тому +3

      :0

    • @glitchvlogs6597
      @glitchvlogs6597 11 місяців тому +4

      A new title to my throne

    • @shadowrose1859
      @shadowrose1859 4 місяці тому +8

      There actually is a mod for it on pc and Xbox. I believe it's called The Danse Dillema. Us Playstation people are screwed though unless they add it to the next gen update that's supposed to come out

    • @dennissmith4366
      @dennissmith4366 Місяць тому

      ​@@alpacalover0was about to say I'm pretty sure I played a mod that restored that quest

  • @Scotttjt
    @Scotttjt Рік тому +151

    There's actually some subtle foreshadowing about Danse's true nature:
    Both in the Cambridge Police Station and aboard the Prydwen, there are terminal entries that reveal Danse has been having frequent headaches, been unable to sleep properly and experiencing abstract nightmares when he did. Probably a malfunction in the Synth Component, or whatever process was used to wipe/reprogram his memories prior to him joining the Brotherhood was botched, resulting in the aforementioned headaches

    • @tugalord
      @tugalord 10 місяців тому +16

      Could also be PTSD though

    • @zemonito
      @zemonito Місяць тому +8

      Post Traumatic Synth Disorder

    • @samuelbishop3316
      @samuelbishop3316 Місяць тому +1

      Probably just PTSD to be honest. Synths can have that.

    • @dankbonkripper2845
      @dankbonkripper2845 20 днів тому

      I think it's probably due to receiving the signals from the institute mixed with all the signals coming from brotherhood gear. We don't know of any other synth canonically that gets to to spend so much time around the brotherhood technologies. he could handle one or the other, but not both.

  • @daltonmalkowicz2689
    @daltonmalkowicz2689 4 роки тому +2509

    I just want to hear Paladin Danse say "To infinity, and beyond!" dang it!

    • @mczenk5095
      @mczenk5095 4 роки тому +96

      I had a mod for that and his power armor looked like Buzz Lightyear too ha

    • @a.i17
      @a.i17 4 роки тому +14

      Jfc, good connection... The HOOD! L0L

    • @qxincx9197
      @qxincx9197 4 роки тому +6

      ik i wasnt the only one😂😂😂

    • @a.i17
      @a.i17 4 роки тому +27

      @@kalen2465 His voice is spot on, and as far as the visuals; it's the headgear he wears..

    • @velvetsparrow
      @velvetsparrow 4 роки тому +5

      Kalen Boies Tim Allen, actually

  • @robodadinosaur5138
    @robodadinosaur5138 5 років тому +2131

    I love how you’re just talking about the brotherhood of steel while you’re killing everyone and blowing up the prydwen in the background

    • @fivio8863
      @fivio8863 5 років тому +106

      because they deserve it

    • @zargos4587
      @zargos4587 4 роки тому +59

      @@fivio8863 no they don't

    • @taelim6599
      @taelim6599 4 роки тому +10

      @@zargos4587 How?

    • @Nah-NoNeed_
      @Nah-NoNeed_ 4 роки тому +35

      They deserve it because of what they did to the courier in the Mojave Wasteland.

    • @blankblank5409
      @blankblank5409 4 роки тому +4

      LyrX HEY! >:(

  • @dayaninikhaton
    @dayaninikhaton 2 роки тому +225

    Danse IS a security risk, but as al alternative- to honor his years of service I would pull him from active duty and assign him to a controlled access position as an instructor, and make himself available for non-lethal medical testing for learning more about Gen 3s. He would have no access to weapons, armor or secure areas but could still serve the institute with his wealth of knowledge and experience. Elder Maxin DID say technology needs to be controlled- and I think that Danse would be happy enough to still serve the brotherhood.

    • @Civsuccess2
      @Civsuccess2 2 роки тому +24

      Anything Danse see is probably recorded in a computer in the Institute somewhere.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 2 роки тому +10

      Knowing them, they'd probably turn him into a slave or a guine pig.
      Just imagine the BoS buying into the institute talk and turning them into sentient slaves.

    • @samuelbishop3316
      @samuelbishop3316 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@Civsuccess2That's not how synths work. If it was the institute wouldn't need to track down the railroad with investigations,

    • @wildcardjoey4776
      @wildcardjoey4776 25 днів тому +1

      ​@@Civsuccess2 They have to send someone to physically talk with Diamond City's mayor to get information from him

  • @K-G-S_66
    @K-G-S_66 2 роки тому +142

    10:25 its really amazing to see dance and maxon with special character animation like pointing at something or body language as they speak wish every fallout 4 NPC/character was this detailed

  • @rage_2000
    @rage_2000 3 роки тому +1740

    Damm, Danse is so badass that he said “ad victoriam” even after Maxson had cut his throat

    • @EnclaveSgt
      @EnclaveSgt 3 роки тому +35

      Badass all right. He even says Ad Victoriam after I blew him into little bloody chunks

    • @Freefire-xm8vt
      @Freefire-xm8vt 3 роки тому +16

      Even though he is ordered to be executed, he is loyal to the bitter end.

    • @professionallyretarded4037
      @professionallyretarded4037 2 роки тому +2

      He even said it when I blew his head off.

    • @SirDankleberry
      @SirDankleberry 2 роки тому +33

      Maxson was a bitch, Danse was the true chad of the Brotherhood.

    • @subscribetonosandgang4730
      @subscribetonosandgang4730 2 роки тому +26

      @@SirDankleberry true but I saved my game before killing paladin Danse so I could kill maxson later

  • @ApexPredatorOutdoors
    @ApexPredatorOutdoors 4 роки тому +1783

    I have a mod on my NCR Ranger mask that allows me to see synths in-game. I always wondered why Danse was showing up (glowing) as a synth...

    • @zaclarkin1683
      @zaclarkin1683 4 роки тому +67

      What mod?

    • @gamerdick775
      @gamerdick775 4 роки тому +41

      Wow

    • @rogeriosayao5916
      @rogeriosayao5916 4 роки тому +63

      You tried a mirror using this mod yet?

    • @NWolfsson
      @NWolfsson 4 роки тому +51

      @00rphb "Part of the fun is finding out whom are replicants and whom are the real humans" OK that sentence makes me wish to put a unicorn origami in Dance's quarters x)

    • @lefishe2258
      @lefishe2258 4 роки тому +9

      Wait where do you find the ncr ranger mask in fallout 4?

  • @kamakazines4901
    @kamakazines4901 Рік тому +122

    This quest meshed so well with how I RPd my first character.
    I played her as being obsessively in denial of the whole Shaun thing, and hellbent on revenge.
    She collected every toy she came across, even if she had to drop more valuable items to do so. She with the Brotherhood. She romanced Danse. She understood who Father was, but refused to acknowledge him as HER Shaun. She blew up the Institute. She hunted down the Railroad.
    ...and then she decided to spare and hide Danse, despite hating all synths, because he was her emotional crutch. She justified it as a temporary coping mechanism, and her due reward for destroying every remnant of her old life, for the Brotherhood's cause.
    That playthrough is still one of the most memorable, compelling character stories I've ever played, and I kind of lucked into it with a couple self-imposed RP choices.
    Not sure the stars will ever align so perfectly for me again, lol.

    • @GamingWithHajimemes
      @GamingWithHajimemes Рік тому +3

      That sounds awesome! My best character so far has been the silver shroud. Just playing as an alright dude is nice after telling the fridge kid to fuck off.

    • @nathanemmanuel1196
      @nathanemmanuel1196 Рік тому

      Taking RPG to the next level 👍

    • @Nonitrocody
      @Nonitrocody 10 місяців тому +1

      I am RP'ing right now as a psycho synth, i just stealth killed most of Diamond City, except guards, kids and Piper, my character kills every chance he has if it means no repercursions, i already have infiltrated both The Brotherhood and The Railroad, they dont suspect a thing

    • @ianperry4974
      @ianperry4974 3 місяці тому +2

      I did one similar. My survivor joined the BOS to find direction and purpose, became devoted to the BOS became very close to danse, like brothers. They traveled the commonwealth together, finding and securing ancient tech, even went to far harbor and “liberated” the island. After they returned from far harbor, they were sent to the sentinel site by maxson. And upon returning, we’re faced with the fact that danse is a synth. After that, everything started to crumble for the survivor. Having his trust broken (by the fact that if danse was a synth, who else could be? My character was entrenched in the BOS philosophy at this point after having faced all the evils of the commonwealth) but spared danse because he couldn’t kill his best friend and brother. My survivor evacuated the institute, and destroyed it. He left synth Shaun, as synth Shaun was nothing but a reminder. Leaving in complete and total despair. After being decorated as the BOS sentinel, my survivor hung up his t-60 armor and left the BOS. He wandered the wasteland until hearing the nuka world radio signal, and finding some small purpose in the possibility of helping a family in need, headed to nuka world. He then finds the quantum armor and dons this as his persona. As the quantum sentinel. Working with the raiders, he clears nuka world, restores power, and settles in. Upon fighting the rogue knight in the nuka car arena. He is faced once again with his past as a soldier. After defeating the rogue knight, gage suggests taking over the commonwealth. But enough was enough. The survivor turns on the raiders and frees the slaves. Freeing nuka world, and finding some small feeling of personal redemption.

  • @mish375
    @mish375 Рік тому +95

    I always convince Danse to not kill himself, then pass the speech check with Maxxson to spare Danse as well. While Danse does present a possible threat down the road, he's also innocent in all this. He didn't know what he was. Yet, he still served and saved Brotherhood members and has genuine feelings/thoughts. To off him seems wrong. He does so much good for the Commonwealth in general.

    • @GamingWithHajimemes
      @GamingWithHajimemes Рік тому +11

      He's a better synth, and human, that 75% of the commonwealth. Even other synths who escaped can't compare half the time- Like the one who turned raider, or the one who (spoilers)
      became mayor, segregated the city, and took a woman hostage. Danse is the best golden retriever ever.

  • @zekegunty3498
    @zekegunty3498 4 роки тому +902

    Oxhorn:*is slaughtering everyone on the prydwen*
    Also Oxhorn: What if the institute makes Danse an assassin?

    • @craigmccune6066
      @craigmccune6066 4 роки тому +12

      so true tho

    • @BBBHuey
      @BBBHuey 4 роки тому +16

      One of the key facts that is greatly overlooked in this video. Danse is still an Institute synth.

    • @whafflete6721
      @whafflete6721 4 роки тому +14

      @@BBBHuey I thought he was "Lost or escaped" on the mentioned list?

    • @raycegumpxx2209
      @raycegumpxx2209 2 роки тому +3

      Wasn’t me. It was Danse. Totally

    • @yelekiyelaine6748
      @yelekiyelaine6748 2 роки тому

      @@BBBHuey well I don't know if your what the person who made this video refers to as a "synth hating brotherhood knight" or if you just didn't notice he was an escapee

  • @DapperCthulhu5182
    @DapperCthulhu5182 5 років тому +648

    I think the reason Maxson allows Danse to live is plain as day, and Maxson says it himself - it's because of the Sole Survivor. At the point in the BoS questline where Blind Betrayal takes place, the SS has proven themself to be every bit Danse's equal, and even superior. The SS cleared out Fort Strong, restored Liberty Prime, and even waded into the Glowing Sea to get Prime's nuclear payload. The SS is invaluable to Maxson, the greatest soldier to ever be seen by the Brotherhood, and he can't risk losing them over one synth. So that's why Maxson allows this one Knight to convince him to spare Danse's life; he sees the potential in the Sole Survivor and can't lose that.

    • @TheReal_Antrey
      @TheReal_Antrey 4 роки тому +115

      And all this happen in like what? A weekend? Personaly I wouldn't want someone like that against me either

    • @-DeScruff
      @-DeScruff 4 роки тому +126

      Not to mention. They are a Vault Dweller.
      It seems to be a stereotype that people in Vault suits tend to not survive on the surface for every long. But, every now and again there are a few who in a short amount of time accomplished seemingly impossible things (Some even working with the Brotherhood) and become living legends.
      Its best to not get on their bad side, as they can and have completely destroyed factions.

    • @MaxPayne-gs4vb
      @MaxPayne-gs4vb 4 роки тому +10

      Too bad he didn't considered those things in my playthrough. I tried every option to convice him, none of them worked and had to let him kill Danse.

    • @zerotodona1495
      @zerotodona1495 4 роки тому +1

      DapperCthulhu greatest? Lol lone wander you mean.

    • @sgt.krakatoa1093
      @sgt.krakatoa1093 4 роки тому +10

      For some reason I read “SS” as in “Super Saiyan”

  • @matthewgonzalez9537
    @matthewgonzalez9537 3 роки тому +56

    Elder Maxon is such a good character. Definitely the most interesting leader out of all the factions

    • @reecegreyshock9646
      @reecegreyshock9646 2 роки тому +9

      His vigorous and firm beliefs of a world cleansed from technological abominations, is actually a good thing in ma humble opinion. It’s one thing to create technological wonders, but it’s another to let it manifest on its own and create truly eerie, inhumane, and downright harmful creations for the persist of science. It’s reasons like that why the Sole survivors world is gone. His cousins, maybe a sister in Chicago, friends, family, his entire world….. gone. That’s why I’m brotherhood, because I can be the one who paved the way for other groups like the minuteman to rebuild the commonwealth.

    • @Stitched_up
      @Stitched_up 10 місяців тому

      He's also a fucking idiot, really hammers home how terrible the other factions leaders are.
      Wait hold on, I think I see Preston outside my window. Yep He's holding up a cardboard cutout that just the words "Help settlement" on it.

  • @JonatasAdoM
    @JonatasAdoM 2 роки тому +15

    Danse is like the Winter Soldier.
    A good man that can be turned against his brothers by the flick of a command.

    • @LynetteTheMadScientist
      @LynetteTheMadScientist 8 місяців тому +1

      Yes and there was a whole movie focused on why killing him is still wrong

  • @NWolfsson
    @NWolfsson 4 роки тому +1371

    "He wasn't born from the womb of a loving mother"
    Good thing every human mother is loving, huh..?

  • @dramaking9559
    @dramaking9559 4 роки тому +418

    I just love how Maxson talks and yells at Dense as if he was a human istead of just shooting him right away

    • @MarionRelics
      @MarionRelics 3 роки тому +62

      Also notice how he switches from calling him “it” to “him” halfway through. Maxson is full of shit.

    • @EnclaveSgt
      @EnclaveSgt 3 роки тому +76

      Probably because Maxson knows Danse needs to die but he doesn't really want to do it after all. Thats why its easy to talk him into letting Danse live

    • @casualcarl8978
      @casualcarl8978 3 роки тому +8

      @@EnclaveSgt or lore shield

    • @EnclaveSgt
      @EnclaveSgt 3 роки тому +25

      yea you could go with that carl but I'm talking about in universe explanations. Just saying oH iTs LoRe ShIeIlD isn't much fun

    • @casualcarl8978
      @casualcarl8978 3 роки тому +2

      @@EnclaveSgt funny lore shield since it just works

  • @hiddenleaf414
    @hiddenleaf414 2 роки тому +60

    This probably won’t be seen but on one of the early missions you go with Danse to a building with a bunch of Synths in the entrance. You can hear/see one of the Synths say something like “Destroy fellow Synth!” and they start shooting at Danse and you.

    • @imperius88
      @imperius88 Рік тому +1

      WHERE!?

    • @Ddd-pv6iy
      @Ddd-pv6iy Рік тому +4

      I think that’s just what they say when you destroy one of their synths. If you kill one, another would mention it like “destroyed fellow synth” I heard one of them say it when u was playing with Danse recently and was thrown off too, but I noticed that I had just killed one of them and Danse wasn’t In the room with me. I wish this was the case though. It would have been so cool

  • @kanister60l39
    @kanister60l39 3 роки тому +45

    oxhorn: "maxons brother hood of steel is fanatical"
    railroad:*sweats like hell*

  • @Lavender_Fox
    @Lavender_Fox 5 років тому +591

    Maxson: he wasn't born from the womb of a loving mother!
    Cait: Neither was I, what's your fockin' point!
    If only...

    • @commandercat10
      @commandercat10 5 років тому +37

      Maxson. Then you are synth

    • @tomdayas
      @tomdayas 4 роки тому +4

      AHHAHAHAHA

    • @yazidefirenze
      @yazidefirenze 4 роки тому +8

      Maxson, you got in a catch 22?

    • @carlos89784
      @carlos89784 4 роки тому

      Haahhahahahahaha!

    • @mpurohit90
      @mpurohit90 4 роки тому +5

      I would’ve paid Bethesda to put that in the game!!!

  • @RelativelyBest
    @RelativelyBest 5 років тому +1133

    It would have kicked ass to have been able to become the Elder of the Brotherhood.
    Meanwhile, in Skyrim...
    *Tolfdir:* Well, we somehow didn't blow up half of Winterhold again, but the Archmage is dead. I know I have seniority around here and generally have "wizard headmaster" written all over me, but I think you should be the new Archmage.
    *Dragonborn:* You do recall I'm not even part of the faculty, right? I'm a _student._ Heck, I'm not even good at magic, I solve most problems by stabbing them.
    *Tolfdir:* Eh, details.

    • @cxx23
      @cxx23 5 років тому +49

      This is great because I played a beefy high elf two hander that I (expertly) made look like a huge nord. Zero magic.
      I liked to think they let me lead because they assumed I'm adept at magic.

    • @TheAsvarduilProject
      @TheAsvarduilProject 5 років тому +27

      @@cxx23 High Elves are born with extra magicka. Wizards use magicka. Therefore, you're a wizard. QED College of Winterhold-style.

    • @cxx23
      @cxx23 5 років тому +19

      @@TheAsvarduilProject I have this amazing spell where my enormous war-hammer inflicts the status effect called "bits everywhere! By the 8!".

    • @HolyknightVader999
      @HolyknightVader999 5 років тому +16

      If only Fallout had that in spades. Any Fallout character could rise to the occasion, and:
      Become the Caesar of the Legion
      Become Elder of the Brotherhood
      Become the Enclave and NCR President
      Out of all of those, the only thing that the player can take over is New Vegas in Fallout New Vegas.

    • @MJroxOXO
      @MJroxOXO 5 років тому

      I'm pretty sure there's a mod, though

  • @CheesyChise
    @CheesyChise 2 роки тому +20

    10:28 Is the start of the best dialogue between two characters recorded for Fallout 4. The tone, the anger, the pain, it wrecks your heart having to hear this argument. The way they both make gestures too, in sync with the anger in their words... Its truly beautiful honestly. Great writing and directors for this scene

  • @theoperator1121
    @theoperator1121 3 роки тому +45

    Just as Scribe Haylen said "... Machine or human he is still danse ." I didn't want to kill him and I didn't kill him because how I saw it Danse is Danse.

  • @MarionRelics
    @MarionRelics 3 роки тому +1322

    Never understood how the “Danse is dead” lie was supposed to work. How does Maxson tell the troops he’s been killed but also order them to shoot him on sight? Every time the troops see Danse it proves Maxson is a liar.

    • @Hello-og
      @Hello-og 3 роки тому +253

      Probably said the Institute might try making another one to mess with them.

    • @xd._.earnest1672
      @xd._.earnest1672 2 роки тому +52

      he said that he will not kill him off his own discretion but since he's a synth he isn't allowed on the ship or anywhere near a brotherhood soldier

    • @MarionRelics
      @MarionRelics 2 роки тому +76

      @@xd._.earnest1672 No, because after that everyone in the Brotherhood thinks Danse is dead, congratulates you for killing him, etc.

    • @emmagrace8938
      @emmagrace8938 2 роки тому +53

      I imagine he’d say that they had killed the synth they had already made and infiltrated them with, but there’s no telling when the Institute might choose to make another to try and attack again. Basically “we already executed Danse for being a synth, so if you ever see Danse again, it’s another synth and you have orders to shoot on sight.”

    • @snikerz5886
      @snikerz5886 2 роки тому +23

      Maxon was a shittly leader just in general so its par for the course really.

  • @andrewdubya1380
    @andrewdubya1380 5 років тому +567

    I`d love to just look at Maxson and say "How do you know *you`re* not a machine?"

    • @Pierce1996h
      @Pierce1996h 5 років тому +126

      Humans are machines. Just machines made of different parts. If an entity is sentient then it deserves rights.

    • @jenniferjimenez6748
      @jenniferjimenez6748 5 років тому +8

      @@Pierce1996h love your comment

    • @SvobodaIliSmert
      @SvobodaIliSmert 5 років тому +8

      @@Pierce1996h what about weebs

    • @pingaspearce9403
      @pingaspearce9403 5 років тому +24

      @@Pierce1996h humans aren't machines
      A machine is built with metal and wire to carry out whatever its creator has intended
      We were born and are given the right to make our own choices as we grow and learn
      Machines will and will always be, An imitation of what man is

    • @imuncreative1626
      @imuncreative1626 4 роки тому +22

      Pingas Pearce living things and machines both convert fuel to energy we are biological machines

  • @vmone7678
    @vmone7678 Рік тому +74

    I know I'm late to the party, but I think you've missed a spot, mate ! The elder's name is Arthur. Danse is a Paladin. The Knights of the Rounds were paladins. Danse is fucking Lancelot. As if it were not enough, Prydwen is the name of King Arthur's ship in a Welsh poem. As it is fitting to Lancelot, even if his sin toward his king is carnal - sleeping with Guinevere or being a synth is pretty much carnal to the root - he stays loyal to the bitter end. When Lancelot affair is discovered it leads to a civil war. I don't think the Bethesda writers were concerned about how the player would react. This whole quest is pretty much a carbon copy of Chrétien de Troyes version of the story of Lancelot and Arthur.

    • @jiff80
      @jiff80 8 місяців тому

      Nice

    • @JohnDoe-rh8tp
      @JohnDoe-rh8tp Місяць тому +1

      The more you know, huh

    • @wildcardjoey4776
      @wildcardjoey4776 25 днів тому

      While you're correct about the parallel, the Paladins, or The Twelve Peers, were a title specific to Charlemagne's greatest Knights and companions. The Knights of The Round Table are always referred to ad The Knights of The Round Table

    • @vmone7678
      @vmone7678 24 дні тому

      @@wildcardjoey4776 Chrétiens de Troyes used "paladin" as an adjective to define the Knights of the Round. It was never an "official" title of them, but the words is intricately close to their knightly duties.

  • @phoenixdzk
    @phoenixdzk 2 роки тому +21

    Danse is switched during the museum of witchcraft mission. You return the egg to the nest and he hates it. While your back is turned, he's snatched and replaced. When you take back the egg from the best after returning it, synth danse hates it

  • @TheMaghorn
    @TheMaghorn 7 років тому +9061

    I like to think the Paladin Danse we see in Blind Betrayal wasn't the same person we met at the police station, because I don't believe the Brotherhood wouldn't be able to figure out he's a synth over the amount of time it would take Danse to become a Paladin. I say he was human when the recon team was deployed, but at some point was killed in action and replaced by a synth when the player isn't looking. It doesn't make executing him easier, but at least I'm not killing the Danse I met.

    • @redrocketrider
      @redrocketrider 7 років тому +1804

      TheMaghorn That.... that actually isn't lore breaking.... damn...

    • @TwoBs
      @TwoBs 7 років тому +1050

      I know you said you'd like to _think_ that's how it went (as would I), but based off of the evidence given to us in the game, (which is what the lore has to run off of), it doesn't make sense for it to happen that way.
      In the Institute's SRB terminal it states that he (meaning the synth) had _escaped_ and the known location is at the Boston Airport. Due to the BOS being there and being heavily armed, it would be a risky operation to send in a courser to capture him, so they instead insist they keep a tab on the place so to speak.
      If he was an intentional plant sent to replace the real Danse, who is supposed to be KIA in your theory, then the SRB terminal would not have him on their "escaped" list. It would simply not be in the terminal at all, and they would have just sent him.
      Sure, we can speculate the Institute is very shady/sneaky and could have done something in between the time the SS first met him at the Cambridge Police Station - something that would pertain to gathering info on the SS, influencing them somehow, etc. - but going with what is given to us, it's reaching.
      Bethesda should have really, _really_ explored Danse's story much more than they did. I know there was files that never made it into the game that gave us a different ending for the BOS faction, but even then if they were implemented, it would have made for an even shittier and rushed ending that would have players wondering WTF as if the BOS as a whole would just accept it, in my opinion.
      It all seems so rushed and garbled together. They should have fleshed out Danse's dialogue more after he found out, and if you decided to keep him alive, I feel there should have been at least another quest, or hell even more dialogue than rehashed BOS "AD VICTORIAM! THIS IS FOR THE BROTHERHOOD!" lines he still says if you have him as a companion afterwards. There was just so much potential - something I thought maybe a DLC would explore more into, but nope. Poor Danse.

    • @redrocketrider
      @redrocketrider 7 років тому +404

      TheMaghorn Oh wait- Danse is a Railroad Synth, not an Institute one.
      This counters some of your arguments as well, +Oxhorn

    • @thewerewolff7248
      @thewerewolff7248 7 років тому +155

      but what if he was replaced BEFORE you met him. What if he was replaced upon going to the commonwealth?

    • @TheMaghorn
      @TheMaghorn 7 років тому +120

      ***** I do have a couple issues with this. Danse says he always believed he was human and had no memories of being a synth, which implies that if he escaped his memories would have been altered by the Railroad, and probably his face like with Harkness and other synths. If this is the case, then why would the Institute have his image and dna on record? If this isn't the case, why doesn't Danse remember being in the Institute? It seems like the SRB entry was added after they decided to make Danse a synth and they didn't really think it through, otherwise the Institute would have had to identify Danse as an escaped synth, get his dna while he's in the Commonwealth with the recon team, and update his profile without alerting the Brotherhood.

  • @justasgriskevicius3492
    @justasgriskevicius3492 5 років тому +700

    *says any technology that's gone too far must be destroyed*
    *builds a 50-foot tall robot that throws mini-nukes and one-shot kills vertibirds with its eyes*

    • @floofitoaster2168
      @floofitoaster2168 4 роки тому +17

      We know its a robot tho

    • @craigmccune6066
      @craigmccune6066 4 роки тому +40

      @@floofitoaster2168 that dosint help

    • @jonathanpeddicord1598
      @jonathanpeddicord1598 4 роки тому +15

      kinda like saying all because we know a nuke is a nuke its fine

    • @sonaoanh7402
      @sonaoanh7402 4 роки тому +6

      Original that robot didn't made by BoS, its Mr.House's product.

    • @iloveyourunclebob
      @iloveyourunclebob 4 роки тому +29

      Says the institute shouldn't have played God by making synths, wants to play God by murdering sentient beings

  • @Puppy_Puppington
    @Puppy_Puppington 3 роки тому +32

    Honestly I think they left the “cop out” option there because without the brotherhoods vertibird rides, Survival mode goes back to freaking walking sim 2077.

  • @douglasthequilava
    @douglasthequilava 2 роки тому +25

    To be honest when i was forced to do this quest, i has build up a friendship with Danse already. Yet, finding out that he had been replaced with a Synth made filled me with sadness and rage… i know i could have tried not to kill him, but at that point i had been blinded by my rage and proceeded kill him… the realization that i killed my closest friend in game led to me feeling like i messed up big time, like they might order me to kill my other companions… so, with that, i took Danse’s suit of Power Armor and left the Brotherhood behind. His Armor won’t be used though, instead I set it as part of a memorial alongside the legendary Laser Rifle he gave me after clearing out Arcjet…

  • @Stag_DC
    @Stag_DC 5 років тому +990

    (pulls out Fat Man)...
    (Immediately quick saves)

    • @brendankelly2653
      @brendankelly2653 4 роки тому +80

      Yeah I made that mistake when I gave Nick Valentine the Fatman with some ammo, NPC's use Fatman's like they use a shotguns, in tight quarter's 😂

    • @rickyleung7614
      @rickyleung7614 4 роки тому +12

      No turn god mode on than turn it off after that

    • @mpurohit90
      @mpurohit90 4 роки тому +14

      Jiren Juice omg I did the same thing with Nick. I thought an enemy was nuking me! Here it was fucking Nick! He used all my mini nukes too!! Those are hard to find. 😭

    • @MisterJohnDoe
      @MisterJohnDoe 4 роки тому +5

      Inside a building? Oh my god don’t

    • @D3monKilla_14
      @D3monKilla_14 4 роки тому +8

      Haha, I gave a Fatman to Cait with 10 mini nukes. And every time she killed me I was thinking "Why TF are the enemies using nukes in tight spaces?!"
      Searched every corpse in the area after I finally cleared the building out, and none had a Fatman. It was then that the realisation hit me that Cait had been bombing me for the last hour or so lol 😂😂😂😂

  • @_helium_
    @_helium_ 7 років тому +796

    Magic human sauce?? Did you mean...
    ...The milk of human kindness??????

  • @Vengeful1oh1
    @Vengeful1oh1 2 роки тому +10

    By far, the best and most compelling quest in vanilla Fallout 4. It truly shows that, yes, Danse is a synth, but he's more than just a machine. Everyone has a compelling argument. Even Maxon, saying how at any moment, he can suddenly snap (with Institute interference) and kill the Brotherhood. Great writing for this quest.

  • @Kuroi_Neko__x
    @Kuroi_Neko__x 2 роки тому +7

    That epic speech between Maxson and Danse is so badass i keep listening to it all over again!

  • @grafzpln2344
    @grafzpln2344 5 років тому +1647

    WAIT so if I am correct if you are a part of the institute Father AKA shaun (your son) says that they used his DNA to make synths....
    So isn't Paladin Danse technically YOUR SON?

  • @deyash4602
    @deyash4602 4 роки тому +658

    I find it funny how they allow curie a synth and valentine a synth and strong a super mutant all of which do not like the brotherhood to go into their headquarters without being shot on sight yet a man who has devoted his life to the brotherhood and has won many battles for them cannot

    • @bullettime8760
      @bullettime8760 3 роки тому +86

      I think it's just for gameplay purposes because it would be annoying if you had to send them to a settlement whenever you step foot on BoS territory and fast travel to pick them up and then fast travel again or walk if you haven't discovered the location where you have been given the task to do

    • @deyash4602
      @deyash4602 3 роки тому +25

      @@bullettime8760 lol I know that but that doesn’t mean it makes any sense lore-wise

    • @benjaminmenken5693
      @benjaminmenken5693 3 роки тому +21

      It's because the brotherhood trusts the soul survivor, if they didn't they would shoot them and arrest you.

    • @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
      @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr 3 роки тому +23

      @@benjaminmenken5693 , it’s almost like Bethesda makes shit games, and that’s why they bought out by Microsoft.

    • @polish2945
      @polish2945 3 роки тому +6

      Also Hancock who is a ghoul

  • @FeCyrineu
    @FeCyrineu Рік тому +8

    I do think that Blind Betrayal would be more impactful if after you do convince Maxson to spare Danse you are banished from the Brotherhood for insubordination. It would make the decision to save Danse feel like it has weight rather than the, as you describe, cop-out that we got in the game.

  • @Delta-62
    @Delta-62 2 роки тому +5

    I love how Preston is there on the ship when people are thinking “hey isn’t that the general of the minutemen”?

  • @decommissionedunitnanotech2265
    @decommissionedunitnanotech2265 4 роки тому +444

    "How can we trust? The information from the institute?"
    Made a save.
    Killed Danse.
    Checked is inventory.
    Reloaded a save.

    • @francescoragnoni8042
      @francescoragnoni8042 3 роки тому +23

      How to confirm suspects:

    • @francescoragnoni8042
      @francescoragnoni8042 3 роки тому +11

      Also, the SS may be a synthetic with the power to simulate the future. Every time you die, you restart simulating. Every time you quicksave, you do what you have simulated.

    • @theanimator3070
      @theanimator3070 2 роки тому +2

      @@francescoragnoni8042 im stupid so what does SS mean?

    • @PapaWerserian
      @PapaWerserian 2 роки тому +5

      @@theanimator3070 sole survivor

    • @theanimator3070
      @theanimator3070 2 роки тому

      @@PapaWerserian thanks

  • @edwardroach9643
    @edwardroach9643 5 років тому +178

    17:43 I love how Preston walks out full on morgan freeman narrator style

    • @TheRealDonVerga
      @TheRealDonVerga 5 років тому +6

      Yesss

    • @Willg95
      @Willg95 4 роки тому +14

      If only there was a mod to make Preston sound like Morgan freeman

    • @iloveyourunclebob
      @iloveyourunclebob 4 роки тому +9

      @@Willg95 it was at that moment Sole knew another settlement needed their help

    • @Fatalitix3
      @Fatalitix3 4 роки тому +3

      I love how he also does nothing ,yet he is mad at you xd

  • @joshuaboothe2479
    @joshuaboothe2479 2 роки тому +7

    This quest really hit me hard especially when Danse told you to kill him.

  • @Delta_rocket
    @Delta_rocket 2 роки тому +6

    Thank you, Ox. You allowed me to learn of the extra ending, and use mods to make it whole again.

  • @OvenHut
    @OvenHut 5 років тому +185

    The dialogue between Maxson, Danse, and the Soul Survivor is some of the best dialogue I’ve ever heard.

    • @josephmoore9706
      @josephmoore9706 4 роки тому +24

      Best in this game that's for sure. I was surprised and wanted the scene to go on longer.

    • @nathanzhou1162
      @nathanzhou1162 4 роки тому +1

      Maxson is an English major for sure

    • @iloveowls90
      @iloveowls90 Місяць тому

      That’s the only time I actually like elder Maxson because reasons

  • @americanoperator3147
    @americanoperator3147 4 роки тому +729

    *Paladin Danse, the time has come...*
    *Execute order 66...*

    • @totmgsrockxd9900
      @totmgsrockxd9900 4 роки тому +6

      The Gunny Sarge LMFAO!

    • @lapisinfernalis9052
      @lapisinfernalis9052 4 роки тому +5

      My thoughts exactly XD

    • @alex_zetsu
      @alex_zetsu 3 роки тому +21

      I hate to say this, but actually this is why Paladin Danse needs to be banished or killed. He really is loyal to the Brotherhood, even though he doesn't know which memories are real and which were made up. The problem is that anytime his creators can reset him to factory conditions. At the very least, they can extract him and download the "real" memories he had while he was in Brotherhood. It pains me to do it to him.
      Incidentally, with the brain chips thing, this becomes very much applicable to this Fallout example with Paladin Dense, much more so than in the prequal movies alone.
      I don't like the chips thing they introduced in Clone Wars because I thought it was very believable Palpatine could wipe out the Jedi using political means. The Jedi technically try to overthrow him in a coup (instead of using the Senate, the legal way, to remove him), and Pong Krell demonstrated to the troopers that Jedi betraying them wasn't impossible.

    • @Leah_The_Cat
      @Leah_The_Cat 3 роки тому

      Do it

    • @ShimadaHideo
      @ShimadaHideo 3 роки тому +2

      Yes elder maxson

  • @jacobvaness975
    @jacobvaness975 2 місяці тому +2

    What a good questline and story arc. Haylen standing up for Danse is so great. It doesnt matter what Danse is. It matters who he is

  • @psychogyrl8919
    @psychogyrl8919 3 роки тому +4

    Thanks so much! I activated the quest for Mass Fusion before giving the holotape to Proctor Ingram and can't therefore complete Blind Betrayl. I had read that but watching the outcomes is very rewarding!! I appreciate this very much.

  • @Guoenyi
    @Guoenyi 7 років тому +286

    I swear Danse has a built-in toaster

    • @lsswappedcessna
      @lsswappedcessna 7 років тому +36

      Guoenyi That's Nick. Danse has a built in badass drive.

    • @themudpit621
      @themudpit621 7 років тому +33

      Nick comes with two packs of cigarettes and a gold lighter. He must be able to make coffee to go with it.

    • @zemosion1129
      @zemosion1129 7 років тому +14

      The Mudpit this is by far the best comment I've ever seen.

    • @themudpit621
      @themudpit621 7 років тому

      sterling liechty you're too kind :)

    • @skilldstrangr4070
      @skilldstrangr4070 7 років тому +15

      too bad he doesn't work like Fisto once you romance him............. ;)

  • @JoelMarioMX
    @JoelMarioMX 5 років тому +352

    Note, That Arthur Maxson Broke The Chain Of Command By Giving You, A Knight, A Direct Order By An Elder.

    • @brendankelly2653
      @brendankelly2653 4 роки тому +45

      I never thought of that, we should tell Veronica that😁

    • @lillyyoung6007
      @lillyyoung6007 4 роки тому +1

      What do you mean

    • @jakecampbell4208
      @jakecampbell4208 4 роки тому +35

      Well he didn't break it. That's like saying if a Captain in the Navy gave a Petty Officer an order, it wouldn't be valid. It happens more than you'd think, you don't gave to go down one-by-one in a chain of command, if it's more efficient to go straight down or up, that's what you do.

    • @noahking7644
      @noahking7644 4 роки тому +27

      @@jakecampbell4208 In the brotherhood of steel you have to though

    • @finleynicholas8534
      @finleynicholas8534 4 роки тому +37

      @@lillyyoung6007 in fallout new vegas there was this quest to replace an elder and you searched through the bunker where the bos was and find a recon team the chain of works like this an elder gives order a to a paladin and that paladin has to follow that order but if the elder gave an order to a Knight or a initiate they have broken the chain of command and the elder will be either exiled or demoted so yeah that's the chain of command

  • @quasar7096
    @quasar7096 3 роки тому +1

    Your content is awesome man , you always look at all possible angles before making a solid stance on a situation. Keep up the great work !

  • @Dark_cent
    @Dark_cent Рік тому +1

    This guy actually makes well researched and informational videos thank you

  • @NWolfsson
    @NWolfsson 4 роки тому +313

    Bethesda: *Makes the Dovahkiin have to kill Paathurnax to be able to side with the Blades*
    Players: DisGusTANG!
    Bethesda: *Quickly puts a mercy option in the Brotherhood's Blind Betrayal quest*

    • @Skrogur
      @Skrogur 3 роки тому +30

      I've never completed that quest and i never will

    • @Gooberwoman
      @Gooberwoman 3 роки тому +10

      i ruined my 100% playthrough without mods just to download a mod to say paathurnax

    • @antongrahn1499
      @antongrahn1499 3 роки тому +15

      The Blades are losers anyway. Who needs them.

    • @hade2332
      @hade2332 3 роки тому +3

      @@antongrahn1499 i only did it for the katanas, eh, i have 2 savefiles with him living and dead soo yea

    • @handleonafridge6828
      @handleonafridge6828 3 роки тому +2

      @@Skrogur you’re not missing out on much, you just recruit some people and go dragon hunting. Just do the words of power quests that the graybeards give you if you haven’t already

  • @stiky5972
    @stiky5972 4 роки тому +127

    Me: Just one more video before sleep
    Also me: *Watches 4 hours of Fallout 4 lore*

  • @christianhays2238
    @christianhays2238 3 місяці тому +1

    Wow, I can't believe this video is 7 years old. We need a Fallout 5 Oxhorn!! 😂😂

  • @noahperkins4716
    @noahperkins4716 2 місяці тому +1

    14:37 is one of my favorite quotes in the entire game

  • @paladindanse4954
    @paladindanse4954 6 років тому +745

    Outstanding.

    • @DaddyDex420
      @DaddyDex420 6 років тому +23

      Paladin Danse sorry mah dude your ass is dead

    • @slushit9057
      @slushit9057 6 років тому +4

      Oh my gosh back from Zoe dead!

    • @pestongravey5144
      @pestongravey5144 6 років тому +24

      Paladin Danse from now on we're power armor buddies

    • @majortomenthusiast2950
      @majortomenthusiast2950 6 років тому +40

      O U T S T A N D I N G

    • @F4TALXSKIILZ
      @F4TALXSKIILZ 6 років тому +6

      Sorry I shot you in the head, it wasn't easy but thanks for the power armour that smells of sweaty ball bag 🤙

  • @themanwithnoplan9707
    @themanwithnoplan9707 4 роки тому +245

    I learned that fact in my first run when I sided with the Institute, I shot Paladin Dance when I first met him thinking he was a raider. Not realizing my mistake I searched him and found a synth component, and I was like this- wha-what is this? Then a good two years later I watched this video and realized the major spoiler I had accidentally found.

    • @nautikient2151
      @nautikient2151 4 роки тому

      Wtf

    • @pearsemolloy9656
      @pearsemolloy9656 3 роки тому +58

      How can you mistake a non hostile dude in T-60 power Armor with Brotherhood of Steel markings on it with a random raider?

    • @Arcelaeus
      @Arcelaeus 3 роки тому +7

      @@pearsemolloy9656 Lmaooo

    • @user-ij8wb5bw3q
      @user-ij8wb5bw3q 3 роки тому +12

      @@pearsemolloy9656 Yeah, Im pretty sure thats made up

    • @Vashy_Slashy
      @Vashy_Slashy 3 роки тому +5

      Nah that’s all made up

  • @bigman9565
    @bigman9565 Рік тому +7

    I believe Maxson would allow Danse to live after being convinced by the sole survivor because they were the only reason the brotherhood got anywhere in the commonwealth at all, they got the brotherhood so far, and they're now a necessary member of the team, thus he does not want to risk them abandoning the brotherhood over the execution of Danse, fearing that they may otherwise team up with the railroad and destroy all their work

    • @lartonki
      @lartonki 4 місяці тому

      This what i also think, Maxson sees sole survivor too valuable asset to lose so he is ready to spare Danse just to keep sole survivor part of brotherhood.

  • @america2793
    @america2793 Місяць тому +2

    I got emotional when Danse said “to infinity and beyond” truly A masterpiece of gaming

  • @jacksonelh
    @jacksonelh 6 років тому +76

    I wanted to keep danse alive, so I sat at my desk for am hour reloading a save to pass the speech check.

    • @yamilex56
      @yamilex56 5 років тому +1

      jackson but you could keep him lol

    • @BurningSorrows
      @BurningSorrows 5 років тому

      jackson I feel you LOL but I had almost maximum speech to where I was able to give him his freedom.

    • @skylar8790
      @skylar8790 5 років тому

      Idk anything except kill because everything I see in the commonwealth I kill

    • @xananymous431
      @xananymous431 5 років тому +1

      I don’t care if Danse is a synth..bcuz machine is a machine and flesh is a flesh therefore machine (sytnh) must not allowed to live therefore I’ll execute him..glory to bos..glory to nazi

  • @mark0032
    @mark0032 7 років тому +84

    There is a good reason Dance was let live by Maxon. Tactical. The sole survivor was there way in the the Institute. Why risk losing an asset like that. without the sole survivor the brotherhood have nothing to work with, no way in and no Intel. Letting one synth live for the possibility of bringing down the manufacturer is a more than reasonable trade off and tactically the better option. Maxon says it himself "if it wasn't for this person I'd kill you" who said that statement came out of respect. The brotherhood will still kill him on sight so they are still worried that Dance has an institute motive.

    • @localvaultcompanion3516
      @localvaultcompanion3516 7 років тому +3

      Mark Goldsmith Im so sorry... *Danse

    • @mark0032
      @mark0032 7 років тому +1

      Dominik Wolf ya feel better?

    • @localvaultcompanion3516
      @localvaultcompanion3516 7 років тому +1

      Mark Goldsmith kinda

    • @mark0032
      @mark0032 7 років тому +1

      Dominik Wolf happy to be of service

    • @dylanwight5764
      @dylanwight5764 7 років тому +6

      Interesting theory.
      However, unlike Proctor Quinlan, Maxon genuinely respects Danse, regardless of whether he's a synth or not. Byt that accord, Maxon still hates Danse for being a synth, but he doesn't exactly hate Danse himself. It's a case where you hate the machine but love the person. Maxon recognizes that Danse had no knowledge of being a synth, and so as far as Danse is aware, he's just a normal person. This still doesn't stop Maxon from carrying out his duty though, in eliminating what he percieves as a threat.
      Think of it this way: Maxon isn't killing Danse, not because he's concluded that Danse never existed, but because he is distinguishing between the person and the machine. Maxon isn't there to kill Danse, but he still wants to destroy the machine. He sees Danse as being both person and machine, but cannot reconcile that machines can be people. Rather, he sees Danse as being two separate things at the same time.
      So, when he is convinced to let Danse live, he's doing just that; letting Danse live. Danse gets to survive if the machine "dies" and isolates and excludes itself from the rest of the world. Quarantine achieves the same end goal as deactivation or destruction; it removes a threat from the ecosystem.
      As far as Maxon is concerned, the synth has been dealt with, and Danse is MIA/KIA.
      To reiterate: It's not Danse himself who has Maxon up in arms, but rather it's the fact that Danse is a synth. Maxon acknowledges that Danse is effectively two entities and is willing to compromise if it means both
      A) the synth is removed from the picture, and
      B) Danse is no longer associated with the Brotherhood.
      It's my opinion that much like with the possible assassination of Sentinel Lyons that Danse will be listed as KIA, though out of respect from Maxon to his former friend rather than to mitigate damage through controversy.

  • @terinkeller1760
    @terinkeller1760 3 роки тому +1

    All your videos are so well done but this one I think is the best

  • @FireballsOdoom
    @FireballsOdoom 2 місяці тому +2

    If Maxson wasnt too busy huffing glue or whatever, he would have given the order to someone with less personal attachment to the situation.

  • @ArtemisKitty
    @ArtemisKitty 5 років тому +146

    I had a great chance to spend a few minutes talking to Peter Jessop a couple of years ago at a convention while getting his autograph as part of my Fallout collection. I talked to him about a few of the different roles he's played, which ones were more fun or more difficult, etc. The one key question I just had to ask though was "Out of all the many memorable parts you've played, is there any one that sticks out to you as a favorite above the others, and if so, why?" (Ok, it's technically 2 questions...) - Anyway, his answer was "Paladin Danse."
    The reason behind it? This quest right here. He said that he loved playing the character, because especially once you got to this point in his storyline, he had become so "real" that you actually felt emotions one way or the other, and there was no way to avoid that. Our of all the parts he'd played, Danse was the one who felt most alive and not like just some fictional fantasy character or something. He had become "alive" to him, as if he were a real person, the way he hoped Danse would come across to the players. He said when he played the part, he got so into character that he felt like Danse sometimes, because it just felt so real.
    Put together a great backstory like this with great acting, and you get an amazing character like Paladin Danse.
    Just thought I'd share that with you all, as I thought it was pretty awesome, and made me love the Danse character even MORE after talking in more detail with him over some of the stuff they'd gone over in development, a few changes he had made to the dialogue to make him more personable, and so on. It was an amazing experience. (He had shown up over an hour early for autographs and most people didn't realize he was there yet, so it was a pretty empty room. Spent a good 15min talking to him, even bringing in a couple more fans to the end of the conversation.
    If you ever have a chance to talk to Peter Jessop, he's one of the most interesting and fun to talk to VA's I've met. (Out of doz... hmm. hundreds at this point.) Some are just way friendlier and more approachable, and he's at the top of that list right next to Scott Adsit - the VA for Baymax in Big Hero 6 - who gives awesome hugs, btw. Seriously. Ask him for a hug if you see him at a convention. Then watch his handler flail as he rushes out from behind the table for a hug.)
    Anyway, I know this is very late to comment, but I figured it's still something someone might get a kick out of.

    • @AzaleaLuna
      @AzaleaLuna 4 роки тому +10

      I love your story. People are dismissive of the companions in Fallout 4, but to me me they are the most interesting part of the game. I really hope Bethesda does more with companions in future games.

    • @kittycat5972
      @kittycat5972 4 роки тому +1

      phennec absolutely, with all its faults the one thing that’ll ALWAYS bring me back to fallout 4 are the characters.
      I love them almost as if they were real people and they’re a lot more interesting than most real people lol.
      (Lack of npc’s is also the major reason I noped out of the fallout 76 bandwagon early, best decision)

    • @dogmeat-ph2pd
      @dogmeat-ph2pd 4 роки тому

      Yo u good

    • @cowchips1191
      @cowchips1191 2 роки тому +2

      Literally thank you so much for sharing this I’m 2 years late but reading this made me love Danse even more 😭

  • @shortshotgunman5582
    @shortshotgunman5582 5 років тому +448

    Us: Hayden and Danse would have a nice relationship.
    Bethesda: Na only you can Romance the Danse.

    • @luxomatix
      @luxomatix 5 років тому +12

      thank you for your insight tsar nicholas ii

    • @Robert-pn3dq
      @Robert-pn3dq 4 роки тому +23

      I hate that Bethesda made companions romancable even if your character is male or female.makes me feel like everyone is gay lmao

    • @thuledragon6663
      @thuledragon6663 4 роки тому +44

      @@Robert-pn3dq it's a roleplaying game, they made it so you didn't feel your romantic life was full of disappointment because the person you liked did not feel attracted to the sex you are... In my game I imagine danse is Gay, valentine is straight, deacon is bisexual, cait is bisexual, mcready is straight, Preston is straight, Curie is curious on both gay and straight because life on a synth body is strange and new for her, with sex mods... Strong just likes violating human beings male or female, etc. It's up to your own imagination what sexuality you like to believe they are, it helps that you don't love everyone like that.

    • @yazidefirenze
      @yazidefirenze 4 роки тому +4

      Name urself Hayden.
      Boom. Glitched

    • @hhaking9656
      @hhaking9656 4 роки тому

      WTF your dead

  • @kenthegoat5749
    @kenthegoat5749 2 роки тому +3

    10:45 “Machine and flesh have never meant to intertwine” Say the man that is an augmented cyborg

  • @stanleelinton8367
    @stanleelinton8367 Рік тому +8

    job well done on the story line.. maximum respect

  • @FlickerFlee
    @FlickerFlee 5 років тому +552

    I always felt like Bethesda missed a opportunity for a plot twist; betray the Brotherhood, kill Maxson, find a synth part on his body. I think it would have made a great twist to the whole story.

    • @FallenDanish
      @FallenDanish 5 років тому +55

      Yeah, but Maxson has existed since Fallout 3, and there have been long ties leading up to his acquisition of the Elder position.

    • @FlickerFlee
      @FlickerFlee 5 років тому +55

      @@FallenDanish I know, which is why I think it would have been a great twist. Like, even the top members of the BoS are not safe from the Institute. It would make the BoS put into question, if their own Elder had been replaced, who else could have also been replaced? Also, how and when did it happen; how long has the Institute been giving the orders as Maxson.

    • @artstrutzenberg7197
      @artstrutzenberg7197 5 років тому +24

      @@FallenDanish previous comment (what if Danse was replaced at some point between the initial meetup and Blind Betrayal).....similar thing could apply to Maxson, he existed as a human but at some point the institute got to him and replaced him

    • @MJroxOXO
      @MJroxOXO 5 років тому +21

      I feel like Maxson being a synth is a little more predictable than Danse being one

    • @Redbird-dh7mu
      @Redbird-dh7mu 5 років тому +15

      That would of been hard to pull off, considering that Maxson is pretty new to the commonwealth, the Institute would of had a hard time getting an opportunity to kidnap and replace him. Especially since he probably doesn’t go out on the field that much

  • @TehEpicViper
    @TehEpicViper 6 років тому +41

    I personally believe that the mercy option happens because Maxson didn't want to kill Danse to begin with. He was confused and he needed to keep his role and image in check. In reality, he wanted to keep him alive. He's trusted the man for decades, he understands Danse's selflessness and redeeming qualities. He was just looking for a viable reason for the two of you.

    • @VGamingJunkie
      @VGamingJunkie 5 років тому +4

      He definitely didn't sound like someone who was making a well adjusted decision. You'd think a synth killed his dog with how much he's throwing a temper tantrum. He's showing no emotional control at all.

  • @dbl_dmg_gaming5130
    @dbl_dmg_gaming5130 8 місяців тому +1

    Preston Garvey popping out at 17:45 to scold you was pure comedy. 😂

    • @saltem_temptaviste
      @saltem_temptaviste 3 місяці тому +1

      "Synth or not he deserved better from you...
      Also do you know who deserves better? This settlement who needs your help, here I'll mark it on your map"

  • @dave23024
    @dave23024 11 місяців тому +3

    It's interesting that Danse gives you a weapon called Righteous Authority. It's almost like he knows what you'll eventually have to do and he's giving you the okay beforehand.

  • @AlfaFilms05
    @AlfaFilms05 4 роки тому +100

    Imagine having a casual conversation with Danse and accidentally say the secret code

    • @guard6304
      @guard6304 2 роки тому +8

      "Danse you good bro?"

    • @KHayes666
      @KHayes666 2 роки тому +3

      That should have been an option

    • @angelledesma6143
      @angelledesma6143 2 роки тому +7

      Danse, we have a job to do...

    • @reecegreyshock9646
      @reecegreyshock9646 2 роки тому

      “KILL JOHN LENIN, KILL JOHN LENIN”

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 2 роки тому +3

      Welcome back, Nuclear Winter Paladin.

  • @themissingpeace7956
    @themissingpeace7956 7 років тому +619

    Preston: Come on, you don't go turning on your friends when someone asks you to.
    *Becomes Overboss*
    Preston: I want you to kill all your new raider friends. 🙃

  • @sboepn3388
    @sboepn3388 2 роки тому +2

    "I cant believe you just stood there and let him die" preston says as he stands on his corpse

  • @jzarr1999
    @jzarr1999 Місяць тому

    21:03 I love the idea of tiny deacon peeking at what’s going on 😂

  • @parkfamily9776
    @parkfamily9776 7 років тому +61

    Brotherhood main quest
    *killing bos montage*

  • @CloseToTheSun1897
    @CloseToTheSun1897 3 роки тому +438

    when you have paladin danse while talking to the railroad and they say
    “would you risk your life to save a man even if it’s a synths?”
    *Paladin Danse Disliked That*
    *wait, what*

    • @TheWatcher5292
      @TheWatcher5292 3 роки тому +59

      Well yeah lol, he didnt know he was a synth, he believes they are the enemy, so when you say you would, it gore against the brotherhood

    • @BigGreen945
      @BigGreen945 2 роки тому +16

      Thats literally what your character does to save Danse.

    • @kylem.7466
      @kylem.7466 2 роки тому +12

      @@TheWatcher5292 They're referring to after the fact that he knows he's a synth...

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 2 роки тому +10

      He knows he's not bad, but he's still not on board with Synths being spared.
      He's a BoS member through and through and only lives because of the sole survivor.

    • @reddeaddude2187
      @reddeaddude2187 2 роки тому

      Stockholm syndrome is a Hell of a thing

  • @danieldavis4545
    @danieldavis4545 3 роки тому +1

    17:42 Preston walks out like he's in a PBS Special

  • @spazmoidaljellyfish1277
    @spazmoidaljellyfish1277 2 роки тому +1

    17:43 i love how he walks out like a narrator in a theatre show

  • @matryonihon2143
    @matryonihon2143 6 років тому +156

    I'm honestly more scared of actual people than machines.

    • @ikennasmash1030
      @ikennasmash1030 5 років тому +5

      Until these machines realize that they're better than humans and LOL-stomp all of us.

    • @jtcowboy5518
      @jtcowboy5518 5 років тому +9

      @@ikennasmash1030 There are people doing that already.

    • @1987jkilla
      @1987jkilla 5 років тому +4

      there were always people doing that but this fact does not mean our actual technological development is not dangerous for mankind

    • @romanlev5603
      @romanlev5603 5 років тому

      Watch battlestar galactica...

    • @otherkamelliabuddy
      @otherkamelliabuddy 5 років тому +4

      well, real people bombed other real people... synths didn't exist until 2227 in fallout.

  • @Luxai
    @Luxai 3 роки тому +65

    "I've never been prouder of you than I am right now".
    Damn... I really feel that one.

  • @dpledford1
    @dpledford1 2 роки тому +2

    I just finished a brotherhood of steel play through of fallout 4 and recently did this quest finally. I decided based on my character to follow the orders to the letter and executed Danse. It was gut wrenching quest I must say.

  • @darkphoenixgamez5230
    @darkphoenixgamez5230 2 роки тому +12

    I could never bring myself to kill Danse. I believe it's less of Danse being a synth, and more some kind of powergrab in the BoS. I mean, we make friends with Nick, so why not Danse

  • @ReplicatorFifth
    @ReplicatorFifth 7 років тому +29

    *sigh* Elder Lyons...I miss you

    • @bosknight7437
      @bosknight7437 6 років тому +4

      ReplicatorFifth me to! Maxon is a ******!

  • @dylan-kj9zc
    @dylan-kj9zc 4 роки тому +62

    13:29 “Master Skywalker, there are too many of them what are we going to do?

  • @arnulfovasquez7583
    @arnulfovasquez7583 2 роки тому +2

    I think synths are human. Rene Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" principle says so, so I did not kill him.

  • @DuyNguyen-kn5qe
    @DuyNguyen-kn5qe 2 роки тому +1

    Preston was about to tell you a settlement is under attack, but he didn't like what he saw.

  • @Jack1956_
    @Jack1956_ 4 роки тому +60

    When you said "Quarantine" I felt that.

  • @hughmungus6964
    @hughmungus6964 7 років тому +149

    At one point Danse sayed when i went with him to the castle:
    The minutmen remind me of what the BoS has been before Maxson took over.
    So i feel like the option to challenge him, would have been quite fitting.

    • @sabergreen2010
      @sabergreen2010 6 років тому

      Do you mean challenge Danse or Maxson?

    • @onetoxicmode9679
      @onetoxicmode9679 6 років тому

      I would’ve said no then instantly kill maxon

    • @Zack_Zander
      @Zack_Zander 6 років тому

      Onetoxic Mode
      I _would_ do the same. But that would mean Danse would fight back as well

    • @Darklovefly
      @Darklovefly 6 років тому +3

      I'm pretty mad they took that out. I would care for my character being the leader, but Danse turning out to be the leader after that would be so great.

  • @ShadySliver17
    @ShadySliver17 3 роки тому +2

    Danse was one of my fave characters and I refused to believe he was a synth

  • @squed591
    @squed591 Рік тому +3

    I love that they gave the high charisma option to convince Maxson to let Danse live in banishment. It shows how aware Maxson is that if he makes us kill danse or does it himself, he will make an enemy of us: his most valuable asset and soldier besides liberty prime. He will begrudgingly let Danse live it shows the respect he has for us, and if not respect, then we can recognize that HE recognizes our value.

    • @squed591
      @squed591 Рік тому +2

      Also, Maxson’s arguments against synths are valid in relation to the danger Danse poses to the BOS. Who’s to say the institute can’t enact their own version of “Order 66”?? If Danse was read his recall code somehow, he would pose a massive threat to the BOS. He is a Paladin, which means he’s high ranking, which means he can do more damage to the BOS if he wanted or was ordered to by the institute via recall code. I think Maxson acknowledges Danse’s history with the BOS and the sacrifices he has made. However, Maxson is also a soldier with his orders in mind, and his orders come first before any sentimentality. Now slaughtering ghouls and people who may or may not be synths is an entire gray area I do not speak for and all that is quite sus. BUT Maxson’s point of view on this argument NEEDS to be studied by a lot of you because it went over so many heads based on the comments I’ve read.

  • @TheParanormalist0601
    @TheParanormalist0601 6 років тому +165

    The fourth ending sounds even better!!!

    • @Zack_Zander
      @Zack_Zander 6 років тому +4

      The Paranormalist
      I'd like to see my own companion do their own work while I just sit and watch from the back.
      Danse vs Maxson would be an interesting duel...

    • @sergentpugsley5137
      @sergentpugsley5137 6 років тому +6

      There’s a mod for that

    • @Lavender_Fox
      @Lavender_Fox 5 років тому +1

      name please

    • @krazyfan1489
      @krazyfan1489 5 років тому

      www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21923

  • @yourmum8537
    @yourmum8537 4 роки тому +50

    5:00 when I first listen to that line I thought she said “I don’t care is he’s man or machine, he can still dance”

  • @SPRITEVIDS101
    @SPRITEVIDS101 2 роки тому +3

    6:35 this line of dialogue is so gut wrenching to listen to. Imagine finding out you’re whole life was a lie. The voice acting is on point