Blind Betrayal - The Fate of Paladin Danse - Fallout 4 Lore
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Brotherhood: executes trusted member after finding they are a synth
Also brotherhood: let’s nick valentine, strong, and Hancock on board with no questions asked
*raises finger* *takes in breath* ... you got a point there
Exactly
And orders you to kill Virgil
The math checks out
I didn't know da hankok is synth
17:41
Preston: I cant believe you just stood by and let Maxon murder your friend. Synth or not he deserved better from you. *Also Preston: walks on danse*
That is so me
Also there a settlement that's needs our help, here I'll mark it on the map 😂
@@brendankelly2653 I hate you
@@comradecrunch9657 😁
Also doesn't help
The real tragedy to not having the fourth ending is the quest could have been called "Danse Danse Revolution"
YES. SO MUCH YES.
Goddammit this is too good gjsncjzjd
LMFAO
Bethesda, hire this man!!
That's just as good as Curie: Become Human
The voice acting between Danse and Maxson and the mocap is so good.
When I was playing danse was nacked I also couldn't kill him
@@TYLKOPOLSKA940did you get his uniform when he was in power armor?
@@Nonitrocody no
@@TYLKOPOLSKA940 well then i have no idea to why he was naked
I doubt there is mocap
Maxson: "Flesh is Flesh. Machine is machine. The two were never meant to intertwine." Says the man with cybernetic implants.
I did find that line super ironic considering how many of the BoS soldiers are encased in Power Armor most of the time.
Paplocino Found the wannabe Paladin
Yeah maxsons is just a nuthead
@@57ashdot yeah that's kind of funny
Synths are the result of man trying to play God, they must be destroyed
We can Danse if we want to.
And if your friends don't Danse, and if they can't Danse, then their no friends of mine.
And we can dress real neat
From our hats to our feet
And surprise 'em with the victory cry
to be an effective part of the team you need to know your way around the *danse* Floor
You can leave Your friends behind.
We can leave Your friends behind.
There's a cut quest called "Elderly Care" where Danse challenges Maxson to a dual for control of the Brotherhood of Steel. Danse is scripted to win, and after that he tries to convince you to become Elder, which you can
You can also pass a red speech check to convince DANSE to become the new elder, which if you pass he does. I really wish they had kept that quest in the game and if there's a mod that restores it I want it
Danse Dilemma is the mod name iirc.
:0
A new title to my throne
There actually is a mod for it on pc and Xbox. I believe it's called The Danse Dillema. Us Playstation people are screwed though unless they add it to the next gen update that's supposed to come out
@@alpacalover0was about to say I'm pretty sure I played a mod that restored that quest
There's actually some subtle foreshadowing about Danse's true nature:
Both in the Cambridge Police Station and aboard the Prydwen, there are terminal entries that reveal Danse has been having frequent headaches, been unable to sleep properly and experiencing abstract nightmares when he did. Probably a malfunction in the Synth Component, or whatever process was used to wipe/reprogram his memories prior to him joining the Brotherhood was botched, resulting in the aforementioned headaches
Could also be PTSD though
Post Traumatic Synth Disorder
Probably just PTSD to be honest. Synths can have that.
I think it's probably due to receiving the signals from the institute mixed with all the signals coming from brotherhood gear. We don't know of any other synth canonically that gets to to spend so much time around the brotherhood technologies. he could handle one or the other, but not both.
I just want to hear Paladin Danse say "To infinity, and beyond!" dang it!
I had a mod for that and his power armor looked like Buzz Lightyear too ha
Jfc, good connection... The HOOD! L0L
ik i wasnt the only one😂😂😂
@@kalen2465 His voice is spot on, and as far as the visuals; it's the headgear he wears..
Kalen Boies Tim Allen, actually
I love how you’re just talking about the brotherhood of steel while you’re killing everyone and blowing up the prydwen in the background
because they deserve it
@@fivio8863 no they don't
@@zargos4587 How?
They deserve it because of what they did to the courier in the Mojave Wasteland.
LyrX HEY! >:(
Danse IS a security risk, but as al alternative- to honor his years of service I would pull him from active duty and assign him to a controlled access position as an instructor, and make himself available for non-lethal medical testing for learning more about Gen 3s. He would have no access to weapons, armor or secure areas but could still serve the institute with his wealth of knowledge and experience. Elder Maxin DID say technology needs to be controlled- and I think that Danse would be happy enough to still serve the brotherhood.
Anything Danse see is probably recorded in a computer in the Institute somewhere.
Knowing them, they'd probably turn him into a slave or a guine pig.
Just imagine the BoS buying into the institute talk and turning them into sentient slaves.
@@Civsuccess2That's not how synths work. If it was the institute wouldn't need to track down the railroad with investigations,
@@Civsuccess2 They have to send someone to physically talk with Diamond City's mayor to get information from him
10:25 its really amazing to see dance and maxon with special character animation like pointing at something or body language as they speak wish every fallout 4 NPC/character was this detailed
Damm, Danse is so badass that he said “ad victoriam” even after Maxson had cut his throat
Badass all right. He even says Ad Victoriam after I blew him into little bloody chunks
Even though he is ordered to be executed, he is loyal to the bitter end.
He even said it when I blew his head off.
Maxson was a bitch, Danse was the true chad of the Brotherhood.
@@SirDankleberry true but I saved my game before killing paladin Danse so I could kill maxson later
I have a mod on my NCR Ranger mask that allows me to see synths in-game. I always wondered why Danse was showing up (glowing) as a synth...
What mod?
Wow
You tried a mirror using this mod yet?
@00rphb "Part of the fun is finding out whom are replicants and whom are the real humans" OK that sentence makes me wish to put a unicorn origami in Dance's quarters x)
Wait where do you find the ncr ranger mask in fallout 4?
This quest meshed so well with how I RPd my first character.
I played her as being obsessively in denial of the whole Shaun thing, and hellbent on revenge.
She collected every toy she came across, even if she had to drop more valuable items to do so. She with the Brotherhood. She romanced Danse. She understood who Father was, but refused to acknowledge him as HER Shaun. She blew up the Institute. She hunted down the Railroad.
...and then she decided to spare and hide Danse, despite hating all synths, because he was her emotional crutch. She justified it as a temporary coping mechanism, and her due reward for destroying every remnant of her old life, for the Brotherhood's cause.
That playthrough is still one of the most memorable, compelling character stories I've ever played, and I kind of lucked into it with a couple self-imposed RP choices.
Not sure the stars will ever align so perfectly for me again, lol.
That sounds awesome! My best character so far has been the silver shroud. Just playing as an alright dude is nice after telling the fridge kid to fuck off.
Taking RPG to the next level 👍
I am RP'ing right now as a psycho synth, i just stealth killed most of Diamond City, except guards, kids and Piper, my character kills every chance he has if it means no repercursions, i already have infiltrated both The Brotherhood and The Railroad, they dont suspect a thing
I did one similar. My survivor joined the BOS to find direction and purpose, became devoted to the BOS became very close to danse, like brothers. They traveled the commonwealth together, finding and securing ancient tech, even went to far harbor and “liberated” the island. After they returned from far harbor, they were sent to the sentinel site by maxson. And upon returning, we’re faced with the fact that danse is a synth. After that, everything started to crumble for the survivor. Having his trust broken (by the fact that if danse was a synth, who else could be? My character was entrenched in the BOS philosophy at this point after having faced all the evils of the commonwealth) but spared danse because he couldn’t kill his best friend and brother. My survivor evacuated the institute, and destroyed it. He left synth Shaun, as synth Shaun was nothing but a reminder. Leaving in complete and total despair. After being decorated as the BOS sentinel, my survivor hung up his t-60 armor and left the BOS. He wandered the wasteland until hearing the nuka world radio signal, and finding some small purpose in the possibility of helping a family in need, headed to nuka world. He then finds the quantum armor and dons this as his persona. As the quantum sentinel. Working with the raiders, he clears nuka world, restores power, and settles in. Upon fighting the rogue knight in the nuka car arena. He is faced once again with his past as a soldier. After defeating the rogue knight, gage suggests taking over the commonwealth. But enough was enough. The survivor turns on the raiders and frees the slaves. Freeing nuka world, and finding some small feeling of personal redemption.
I always convince Danse to not kill himself, then pass the speech check with Maxxson to spare Danse as well. While Danse does present a possible threat down the road, he's also innocent in all this. He didn't know what he was. Yet, he still served and saved Brotherhood members and has genuine feelings/thoughts. To off him seems wrong. He does so much good for the Commonwealth in general.
He's a better synth, and human, that 75% of the commonwealth. Even other synths who escaped can't compare half the time- Like the one who turned raider, or the one who (spoilers)
became mayor, segregated the city, and took a woman hostage. Danse is the best golden retriever ever.
Oxhorn:*is slaughtering everyone on the prydwen*
Also Oxhorn: What if the institute makes Danse an assassin?
so true tho
One of the key facts that is greatly overlooked in this video. Danse is still an Institute synth.
@@BBBHuey I thought he was "Lost or escaped" on the mentioned list?
Wasn’t me. It was Danse. Totally
@@BBBHuey well I don't know if your what the person who made this video refers to as a "synth hating brotherhood knight" or if you just didn't notice he was an escapee
I think the reason Maxson allows Danse to live is plain as day, and Maxson says it himself - it's because of the Sole Survivor. At the point in the BoS questline where Blind Betrayal takes place, the SS has proven themself to be every bit Danse's equal, and even superior. The SS cleared out Fort Strong, restored Liberty Prime, and even waded into the Glowing Sea to get Prime's nuclear payload. The SS is invaluable to Maxson, the greatest soldier to ever be seen by the Brotherhood, and he can't risk losing them over one synth. So that's why Maxson allows this one Knight to convince him to spare Danse's life; he sees the potential in the Sole Survivor and can't lose that.
And all this happen in like what? A weekend? Personaly I wouldn't want someone like that against me either
Not to mention. They are a Vault Dweller.
It seems to be a stereotype that people in Vault suits tend to not survive on the surface for every long. But, every now and again there are a few who in a short amount of time accomplished seemingly impossible things (Some even working with the Brotherhood) and become living legends.
Its best to not get on their bad side, as they can and have completely destroyed factions.
Too bad he didn't considered those things in my playthrough. I tried every option to convice him, none of them worked and had to let him kill Danse.
DapperCthulhu greatest? Lol lone wander you mean.
For some reason I read “SS” as in “Super Saiyan”
Elder Maxon is such a good character. Definitely the most interesting leader out of all the factions
His vigorous and firm beliefs of a world cleansed from technological abominations, is actually a good thing in ma humble opinion. It’s one thing to create technological wonders, but it’s another to let it manifest on its own and create truly eerie, inhumane, and downright harmful creations for the persist of science. It’s reasons like that why the Sole survivors world is gone. His cousins, maybe a sister in Chicago, friends, family, his entire world….. gone. That’s why I’m brotherhood, because I can be the one who paved the way for other groups like the minuteman to rebuild the commonwealth.
He's also a fucking idiot, really hammers home how terrible the other factions leaders are.
Wait hold on, I think I see Preston outside my window. Yep He's holding up a cardboard cutout that just the words "Help settlement" on it.
Danse is like the Winter Soldier.
A good man that can be turned against his brothers by the flick of a command.
Yes and there was a whole movie focused on why killing him is still wrong
"He wasn't born from the womb of a loving mother"
Good thing every human mother is loving, huh..?
Cait was an example
*Cait disliked that*
@@TheReal_Antrey *[ Cait is no longer available to be your companion ]*
Exactly my thought when he said that. Such obtuseness, unbelievable.
Or born from a womb
I just love how Maxson talks and yells at Dense as if he was a human istead of just shooting him right away
Also notice how he switches from calling him “it” to “him” halfway through. Maxson is full of shit.
Probably because Maxson knows Danse needs to die but he doesn't really want to do it after all. Thats why its easy to talk him into letting Danse live
@@EnclaveSgt or lore shield
yea you could go with that carl but I'm talking about in universe explanations. Just saying oH iTs LoRe ShIeIlD isn't much fun
@@EnclaveSgt funny lore shield since it just works
This probably won’t be seen but on one of the early missions you go with Danse to a building with a bunch of Synths in the entrance. You can hear/see one of the Synths say something like “Destroy fellow Synth!” and they start shooting at Danse and you.
WHERE!?
I think that’s just what they say when you destroy one of their synths. If you kill one, another would mention it like “destroyed fellow synth” I heard one of them say it when u was playing with Danse recently and was thrown off too, but I noticed that I had just killed one of them and Danse wasn’t In the room with me. I wish this was the case though. It would have been so cool
oxhorn: "maxons brother hood of steel is fanatical"
railroad:*sweats like hell*
Maxson: he wasn't born from the womb of a loving mother!
Cait: Neither was I, what's your fockin' point!
If only...
Maxson. Then you are synth
AHHAHAHAHA
Maxson, you got in a catch 22?
Haahhahahahahaha!
I would’ve paid Bethesda to put that in the game!!!
It would have kicked ass to have been able to become the Elder of the Brotherhood.
Meanwhile, in Skyrim...
*Tolfdir:* Well, we somehow didn't blow up half of Winterhold again, but the Archmage is dead. I know I have seniority around here and generally have "wizard headmaster" written all over me, but I think you should be the new Archmage.
*Dragonborn:* You do recall I'm not even part of the faculty, right? I'm a _student._ Heck, I'm not even good at magic, I solve most problems by stabbing them.
*Tolfdir:* Eh, details.
This is great because I played a beefy high elf two hander that I (expertly) made look like a huge nord. Zero magic.
I liked to think they let me lead because they assumed I'm adept at magic.
@@cxx23 High Elves are born with extra magicka. Wizards use magicka. Therefore, you're a wizard. QED College of Winterhold-style.
@@TheAsvarduilProject I have this amazing spell where my enormous war-hammer inflicts the status effect called "bits everywhere! By the 8!".
If only Fallout had that in spades. Any Fallout character could rise to the occasion, and:
Become the Caesar of the Legion
Become Elder of the Brotherhood
Become the Enclave and NCR President
Out of all of those, the only thing that the player can take over is New Vegas in Fallout New Vegas.
I'm pretty sure there's a mod, though
10:28 Is the start of the best dialogue between two characters recorded for Fallout 4. The tone, the anger, the pain, it wrecks your heart having to hear this argument. The way they both make gestures too, in sync with the anger in their words... Its truly beautiful honestly. Great writing and directors for this scene
Just as Scribe Haylen said "... Machine or human he is still danse ." I didn't want to kill him and I didn't kill him because how I saw it Danse is Danse.
Never understood how the “Danse is dead” lie was supposed to work. How does Maxson tell the troops he’s been killed but also order them to shoot him on sight? Every time the troops see Danse it proves Maxson is a liar.
Probably said the Institute might try making another one to mess with them.
he said that he will not kill him off his own discretion but since he's a synth he isn't allowed on the ship or anywhere near a brotherhood soldier
@@xd._.earnest1672 No, because after that everyone in the Brotherhood thinks Danse is dead, congratulates you for killing him, etc.
I imagine he’d say that they had killed the synth they had already made and infiltrated them with, but there’s no telling when the Institute might choose to make another to try and attack again. Basically “we already executed Danse for being a synth, so if you ever see Danse again, it’s another synth and you have orders to shoot on sight.”
Maxon was a shittly leader just in general so its par for the course really.
I`d love to just look at Maxson and say "How do you know *you`re* not a machine?"
Humans are machines. Just machines made of different parts. If an entity is sentient then it deserves rights.
@@Pierce1996h love your comment
@@Pierce1996h what about weebs
@@Pierce1996h humans aren't machines
A machine is built with metal and wire to carry out whatever its creator has intended
We were born and are given the right to make our own choices as we grow and learn
Machines will and will always be, An imitation of what man is
Pingas Pearce living things and machines both convert fuel to energy we are biological machines
I know I'm late to the party, but I think you've missed a spot, mate ! The elder's name is Arthur. Danse is a Paladin. The Knights of the Rounds were paladins. Danse is fucking Lancelot. As if it were not enough, Prydwen is the name of King Arthur's ship in a Welsh poem. As it is fitting to Lancelot, even if his sin toward his king is carnal - sleeping with Guinevere or being a synth is pretty much carnal to the root - he stays loyal to the bitter end. When Lancelot affair is discovered it leads to a civil war. I don't think the Bethesda writers were concerned about how the player would react. This whole quest is pretty much a carbon copy of Chrétien de Troyes version of the story of Lancelot and Arthur.
Nice
The more you know, huh
While you're correct about the parallel, the Paladins, or The Twelve Peers, were a title specific to Charlemagne's greatest Knights and companions. The Knights of The Round Table are always referred to ad The Knights of The Round Table
@@wildcardjoey4776 Chrétiens de Troyes used "paladin" as an adjective to define the Knights of the Round. It was never an "official" title of them, but the words is intricately close to their knightly duties.
Danse is switched during the museum of witchcraft mission. You return the egg to the nest and he hates it. While your back is turned, he's snatched and replaced. When you take back the egg from the best after returning it, synth danse hates it
This is the only logical conclusion.
Not everyone does that though?
I like to think the Paladin Danse we see in Blind Betrayal wasn't the same person we met at the police station, because I don't believe the Brotherhood wouldn't be able to figure out he's a synth over the amount of time it would take Danse to become a Paladin. I say he was human when the recon team was deployed, but at some point was killed in action and replaced by a synth when the player isn't looking. It doesn't make executing him easier, but at least I'm not killing the Danse I met.
TheMaghorn That.... that actually isn't lore breaking.... damn...
I know you said you'd like to _think_ that's how it went (as would I), but based off of the evidence given to us in the game, (which is what the lore has to run off of), it doesn't make sense for it to happen that way.
In the Institute's SRB terminal it states that he (meaning the synth) had _escaped_ and the known location is at the Boston Airport. Due to the BOS being there and being heavily armed, it would be a risky operation to send in a courser to capture him, so they instead insist they keep a tab on the place so to speak.
If he was an intentional plant sent to replace the real Danse, who is supposed to be KIA in your theory, then the SRB terminal would not have him on their "escaped" list. It would simply not be in the terminal at all, and they would have just sent him.
Sure, we can speculate the Institute is very shady/sneaky and could have done something in between the time the SS first met him at the Cambridge Police Station - something that would pertain to gathering info on the SS, influencing them somehow, etc. - but going with what is given to us, it's reaching.
Bethesda should have really, _really_ explored Danse's story much more than they did. I know there was files that never made it into the game that gave us a different ending for the BOS faction, but even then if they were implemented, it would have made for an even shittier and rushed ending that would have players wondering WTF as if the BOS as a whole would just accept it, in my opinion.
It all seems so rushed and garbled together. They should have fleshed out Danse's dialogue more after he found out, and if you decided to keep him alive, I feel there should have been at least another quest, or hell even more dialogue than rehashed BOS "AD VICTORIAM! THIS IS FOR THE BROTHERHOOD!" lines he still says if you have him as a companion afterwards. There was just so much potential - something I thought maybe a DLC would explore more into, but nope. Poor Danse.
TheMaghorn Oh wait- Danse is a Railroad Synth, not an Institute one.
This counters some of your arguments as well, +Oxhorn
but what if he was replaced BEFORE you met him. What if he was replaced upon going to the commonwealth?
***** I do have a couple issues with this. Danse says he always believed he was human and had no memories of being a synth, which implies that if he escaped his memories would have been altered by the Railroad, and probably his face like with Harkness and other synths. If this is the case, then why would the Institute have his image and dna on record? If this isn't the case, why doesn't Danse remember being in the Institute? It seems like the SRB entry was added after they decided to make Danse a synth and they didn't really think it through, otherwise the Institute would have had to identify Danse as an escaped synth, get his dna while he's in the Commonwealth with the recon team, and update his profile without alerting the Brotherhood.
*says any technology that's gone too far must be destroyed*
*builds a 50-foot tall robot that throws mini-nukes and one-shot kills vertibirds with its eyes*
We know its a robot tho
@@floofitoaster2168 that dosint help
kinda like saying all because we know a nuke is a nuke its fine
Original that robot didn't made by BoS, its Mr.House's product.
Says the institute shouldn't have played God by making synths, wants to play God by murdering sentient beings
Honestly I think they left the “cop out” option there because without the brotherhoods vertibird rides, Survival mode goes back to freaking walking sim 2077.
To be honest when i was forced to do this quest, i has build up a friendship with Danse already. Yet, finding out that he had been replaced with a Synth made filled me with sadness and rage… i know i could have tried not to kill him, but at that point i had been blinded by my rage and proceeded kill him… the realization that i killed my closest friend in game led to me feeling like i messed up big time, like they might order me to kill my other companions… so, with that, i took Danse’s suit of Power Armor and left the Brotherhood behind. His Armor won’t be used though, instead I set it as part of a memorial alongside the legendary Laser Rifle he gave me after clearing out Arcjet…
Beautifully written
Damn that hurt me 😭
I sell that Laser Rifle.
No he was a synth the whole, time
He wasn't replaced. Danse is the only Danse. There was never a human version of him. Murderer!
(pulls out Fat Man)...
(Immediately quick saves)
Yeah I made that mistake when I gave Nick Valentine the Fatman with some ammo, NPC's use Fatman's like they use a shotguns, in tight quarter's 😂
No turn god mode on than turn it off after that
Jiren Juice omg I did the same thing with Nick. I thought an enemy was nuking me! Here it was fucking Nick! He used all my mini nukes too!! Those are hard to find. 😭
Inside a building? Oh my god don’t
Haha, I gave a Fatman to Cait with 10 mini nukes. And every time she killed me I was thinking "Why TF are the enemies using nukes in tight spaces?!"
Searched every corpse in the area after I finally cleared the building out, and none had a Fatman. It was then that the realisation hit me that Cait had been bombing me for the last hour or so lol 😂😂😂😂
Magic human sauce?? Did you mean...
...The milk of human kindness??????
SPERM!
dun Dun DUN!
No
no, he means human bean juice.
SHHH don't tell Strong!
By far, the best and most compelling quest in vanilla Fallout 4. It truly shows that, yes, Danse is a synth, but he's more than just a machine. Everyone has a compelling argument. Even Maxon, saying how at any moment, he can suddenly snap (with Institute interference) and kill the Brotherhood. Great writing for this quest.
That epic speech between Maxson and Danse is so badass i keep listening to it all over again!
WAIT so if I am correct if you are a part of the institute Father AKA shaun (your son) says that they used his DNA to make synths....
So isn't Paladin Danse technically YOUR SON?
Gairbage underrated comment
I think he'd be a grandpa
OH MY GAAAAAAHHDDD.
Wait..
Wow never thought of it that way
I find it funny how they allow curie a synth and valentine a synth and strong a super mutant all of which do not like the brotherhood to go into their headquarters without being shot on sight yet a man who has devoted his life to the brotherhood and has won many battles for them cannot
I think it's just for gameplay purposes because it would be annoying if you had to send them to a settlement whenever you step foot on BoS territory and fast travel to pick them up and then fast travel again or walk if you haven't discovered the location where you have been given the task to do
@@bullettime8760 lol I know that but that doesn’t mean it makes any sense lore-wise
It's because the brotherhood trusts the soul survivor, if they didn't they would shoot them and arrest you.
@@benjaminmenken5693 , it’s almost like Bethesda makes shit games, and that’s why they bought out by Microsoft.
Also Hancock who is a ghoul
I do think that Blind Betrayal would be more impactful if after you do convince Maxson to spare Danse you are banished from the Brotherhood for insubordination. It would make the decision to save Danse feel like it has weight rather than the, as you describe, cop-out that we got in the game.
I love how Preston is there on the ship when people are thinking “hey isn’t that the general of the minutemen”?
"How can we trust? The information from the institute?"
Made a save.
Killed Danse.
Checked is inventory.
Reloaded a save.
How to confirm suspects:
Also, the SS may be a synthetic with the power to simulate the future. Every time you die, you restart simulating. Every time you quicksave, you do what you have simulated.
@@francescoragnoni8042 im stupid so what does SS mean?
@@theanimator3070 sole survivor
@@PapaWerserian thanks
17:43 I love how Preston walks out full on morgan freeman narrator style
Yesss
If only there was a mod to make Preston sound like Morgan freeman
@@Willg95 it was at that moment Sole knew another settlement needed their help
I love how he also does nothing ,yet he is mad at you xd
This quest really hit me hard especially when Danse told you to kill him.
Thank you, Ox. You allowed me to learn of the extra ending, and use mods to make it whole again.
The dialogue between Maxson, Danse, and the Soul Survivor is some of the best dialogue I’ve ever heard.
Best in this game that's for sure. I was surprised and wanted the scene to go on longer.
Maxson is an English major for sure
That’s the only time I actually like elder Maxson because reasons
*Paladin Danse, the time has come...*
*Execute order 66...*
The Gunny Sarge LMFAO!
My thoughts exactly XD
I hate to say this, but actually this is why Paladin Danse needs to be banished or killed. He really is loyal to the Brotherhood, even though he doesn't know which memories are real and which were made up. The problem is that anytime his creators can reset him to factory conditions. At the very least, they can extract him and download the "real" memories he had while he was in Brotherhood. It pains me to do it to him.
Incidentally, with the brain chips thing, this becomes very much applicable to this Fallout example with Paladin Dense, much more so than in the prequal movies alone.
I don't like the chips thing they introduced in Clone Wars because I thought it was very believable Palpatine could wipe out the Jedi using political means. The Jedi technically try to overthrow him in a coup (instead of using the Senate, the legal way, to remove him), and Pong Krell demonstrated to the troopers that Jedi betraying them wasn't impossible.
Do it
Yes elder maxson
What a good questline and story arc. Haylen standing up for Danse is so great. It doesnt matter what Danse is. It matters who he is
Thanks so much! I activated the quest for Mass Fusion before giving the holotape to Proctor Ingram and can't therefore complete Blind Betrayl. I had read that but watching the outcomes is very rewarding!! I appreciate this very much.
I swear Danse has a built-in toaster
Guoenyi That's Nick. Danse has a built in badass drive.
Nick comes with two packs of cigarettes and a gold lighter. He must be able to make coffee to go with it.
The Mudpit this is by far the best comment I've ever seen.
sterling liechty you're too kind :)
too bad he doesn't work like Fisto once you romance him............. ;)
Note, That Arthur Maxson Broke The Chain Of Command By Giving You, A Knight, A Direct Order By An Elder.
I never thought of that, we should tell Veronica that😁
What do you mean
Well he didn't break it. That's like saying if a Captain in the Navy gave a Petty Officer an order, it wouldn't be valid. It happens more than you'd think, you don't gave to go down one-by-one in a chain of command, if it's more efficient to go straight down or up, that's what you do.
@@jakecampbell4208 In the brotherhood of steel you have to though
@@lillyyoung6007 in fallout new vegas there was this quest to replace an elder and you searched through the bunker where the bos was and find a recon team the chain of works like this an elder gives order a to a paladin and that paladin has to follow that order but if the elder gave an order to a Knight or a initiate they have broken the chain of command and the elder will be either exiled or demoted so yeah that's the chain of command
Your content is awesome man , you always look at all possible angles before making a solid stance on a situation. Keep up the great work !
This guy actually makes well researched and informational videos thank you
Bethesda: *Makes the Dovahkiin have to kill Paathurnax to be able to side with the Blades*
Players: DisGusTANG!
Bethesda: *Quickly puts a mercy option in the Brotherhood's Blind Betrayal quest*
I've never completed that quest and i never will
i ruined my 100% playthrough without mods just to download a mod to say paathurnax
The Blades are losers anyway. Who needs them.
@@antongrahn1499 i only did it for the katanas, eh, i have 2 savefiles with him living and dead soo yea
@@Skrogur you’re not missing out on much, you just recruit some people and go dragon hunting. Just do the words of power quests that the graybeards give you if you haven’t already
Me: Just one more video before sleep
Also me: *Watches 4 hours of Fallout 4 lore*
Me too. It's great. 😁
Same
Wow, I can't believe this video is 7 years old. We need a Fallout 5 Oxhorn!! 😂😂
14:37 is one of my favorite quotes in the entire game
Outstanding.
Paladin Danse sorry mah dude your ass is dead
Oh my gosh back from Zoe dead!
Paladin Danse from now on we're power armor buddies
O U T S T A N D I N G
Sorry I shot you in the head, it wasn't easy but thanks for the power armour that smells of sweaty ball bag 🤙
I learned that fact in my first run when I sided with the Institute, I shot Paladin Dance when I first met him thinking he was a raider. Not realizing my mistake I searched him and found a synth component, and I was like this- wha-what is this? Then a good two years later I watched this video and realized the major spoiler I had accidentally found.
Wtf
How can you mistake a non hostile dude in T-60 power Armor with Brotherhood of Steel markings on it with a random raider?
@@pearsemolloy9656 Lmaooo
@@pearsemolloy9656 Yeah, Im pretty sure thats made up
Nah that’s all made up
I believe Maxson would allow Danse to live after being convinced by the sole survivor because they were the only reason the brotherhood got anywhere in the commonwealth at all, they got the brotherhood so far, and they're now a necessary member of the team, thus he does not want to risk them abandoning the brotherhood over the execution of Danse, fearing that they may otherwise team up with the railroad and destroy all their work
This what i also think, Maxson sees sole survivor too valuable asset to lose so he is ready to spare Danse just to keep sole survivor part of brotherhood.
I got emotional when Danse said “to infinity and beyond” truly A masterpiece of gaming
I wanted to keep danse alive, so I sat at my desk for am hour reloading a save to pass the speech check.
jackson but you could keep him lol
jackson I feel you LOL but I had almost maximum speech to where I was able to give him his freedom.
Idk anything except kill because everything I see in the commonwealth I kill
I don’t care if Danse is a synth..bcuz machine is a machine and flesh is a flesh therefore machine (sytnh) must not allowed to live therefore I’ll execute him..glory to bos..glory to nazi
There is a good reason Dance was let live by Maxon. Tactical. The sole survivor was there way in the the Institute. Why risk losing an asset like that. without the sole survivor the brotherhood have nothing to work with, no way in and no Intel. Letting one synth live for the possibility of bringing down the manufacturer is a more than reasonable trade off and tactically the better option. Maxon says it himself "if it wasn't for this person I'd kill you" who said that statement came out of respect. The brotherhood will still kill him on sight so they are still worried that Dance has an institute motive.
Mark Goldsmith Im so sorry... *Danse
Dominik Wolf ya feel better?
Mark Goldsmith kinda
Dominik Wolf happy to be of service
Interesting theory.
However, unlike Proctor Quinlan, Maxon genuinely respects Danse, regardless of whether he's a synth or not. Byt that accord, Maxon still hates Danse for being a synth, but he doesn't exactly hate Danse himself. It's a case where you hate the machine but love the person. Maxon recognizes that Danse had no knowledge of being a synth, and so as far as Danse is aware, he's just a normal person. This still doesn't stop Maxon from carrying out his duty though, in eliminating what he percieves as a threat.
Think of it this way: Maxon isn't killing Danse, not because he's concluded that Danse never existed, but because he is distinguishing between the person and the machine. Maxon isn't there to kill Danse, but he still wants to destroy the machine. He sees Danse as being both person and machine, but cannot reconcile that machines can be people. Rather, he sees Danse as being two separate things at the same time.
So, when he is convinced to let Danse live, he's doing just that; letting Danse live. Danse gets to survive if the machine "dies" and isolates and excludes itself from the rest of the world. Quarantine achieves the same end goal as deactivation or destruction; it removes a threat from the ecosystem.
As far as Maxon is concerned, the synth has been dealt with, and Danse is MIA/KIA.
To reiterate: It's not Danse himself who has Maxon up in arms, but rather it's the fact that Danse is a synth. Maxon acknowledges that Danse is effectively two entities and is willing to compromise if it means both
A) the synth is removed from the picture, and
B) Danse is no longer associated with the Brotherhood.
It's my opinion that much like with the possible assassination of Sentinel Lyons that Danse will be listed as KIA, though out of respect from Maxon to his former friend rather than to mitigate damage through controversy.
All your videos are so well done but this one I think is the best
If Maxson wasnt too busy huffing glue or whatever, he would have given the order to someone with less personal attachment to the situation.
I had a great chance to spend a few minutes talking to Peter Jessop a couple of years ago at a convention while getting his autograph as part of my Fallout collection. I talked to him about a few of the different roles he's played, which ones were more fun or more difficult, etc. The one key question I just had to ask though was "Out of all the many memorable parts you've played, is there any one that sticks out to you as a favorite above the others, and if so, why?" (Ok, it's technically 2 questions...) - Anyway, his answer was "Paladin Danse."
The reason behind it? This quest right here. He said that he loved playing the character, because especially once you got to this point in his storyline, he had become so "real" that you actually felt emotions one way or the other, and there was no way to avoid that. Our of all the parts he'd played, Danse was the one who felt most alive and not like just some fictional fantasy character or something. He had become "alive" to him, as if he were a real person, the way he hoped Danse would come across to the players. He said when he played the part, he got so into character that he felt like Danse sometimes, because it just felt so real.
Put together a great backstory like this with great acting, and you get an amazing character like Paladin Danse.
Just thought I'd share that with you all, as I thought it was pretty awesome, and made me love the Danse character even MORE after talking in more detail with him over some of the stuff they'd gone over in development, a few changes he had made to the dialogue to make him more personable, and so on. It was an amazing experience. (He had shown up over an hour early for autographs and most people didn't realize he was there yet, so it was a pretty empty room. Spent a good 15min talking to him, even bringing in a couple more fans to the end of the conversation.
If you ever have a chance to talk to Peter Jessop, he's one of the most interesting and fun to talk to VA's I've met. (Out of doz... hmm. hundreds at this point.) Some are just way friendlier and more approachable, and he's at the top of that list right next to Scott Adsit - the VA for Baymax in Big Hero 6 - who gives awesome hugs, btw. Seriously. Ask him for a hug if you see him at a convention. Then watch his handler flail as he rushes out from behind the table for a hug.)
Anyway, I know this is very late to comment, but I figured it's still something someone might get a kick out of.
I love your story. People are dismissive of the companions in Fallout 4, but to me me they are the most interesting part of the game. I really hope Bethesda does more with companions in future games.
phennec absolutely, with all its faults the one thing that’ll ALWAYS bring me back to fallout 4 are the characters.
I love them almost as if they were real people and they’re a lot more interesting than most real people lol.
(Lack of npc’s is also the major reason I noped out of the fallout 76 bandwagon early, best decision)
Yo u good
Literally thank you so much for sharing this I’m 2 years late but reading this made me love Danse even more 😭
Us: Hayden and Danse would have a nice relationship.
Bethesda: Na only you can Romance the Danse.
thank you for your insight tsar nicholas ii
I hate that Bethesda made companions romancable even if your character is male or female.makes me feel like everyone is gay lmao
@@Robert-pn3dq it's a roleplaying game, they made it so you didn't feel your romantic life was full of disappointment because the person you liked did not feel attracted to the sex you are... In my game I imagine danse is Gay, valentine is straight, deacon is bisexual, cait is bisexual, mcready is straight, Preston is straight, Curie is curious on both gay and straight because life on a synth body is strange and new for her, with sex mods... Strong just likes violating human beings male or female, etc. It's up to your own imagination what sexuality you like to believe they are, it helps that you don't love everyone like that.
Name urself Hayden.
Boom. Glitched
WTF your dead
10:45 “Machine and flesh have never meant to intertwine” Say the man that is an augmented cyborg
job well done on the story line.. maximum respect
I always felt like Bethesda missed a opportunity for a plot twist; betray the Brotherhood, kill Maxson, find a synth part on his body. I think it would have made a great twist to the whole story.
Yeah, but Maxson has existed since Fallout 3, and there have been long ties leading up to his acquisition of the Elder position.
@@FallenDanish I know, which is why I think it would have been a great twist. Like, even the top members of the BoS are not safe from the Institute. It would make the BoS put into question, if their own Elder had been replaced, who else could have also been replaced? Also, how and when did it happen; how long has the Institute been giving the orders as Maxson.
@@FallenDanish previous comment (what if Danse was replaced at some point between the initial meetup and Blind Betrayal).....similar thing could apply to Maxson, he existed as a human but at some point the institute got to him and replaced him
I feel like Maxson being a synth is a little more predictable than Danse being one
That would of been hard to pull off, considering that Maxson is pretty new to the commonwealth, the Institute would of had a hard time getting an opportunity to kidnap and replace him. Especially since he probably doesn’t go out on the field that much
I personally believe that the mercy option happens because Maxson didn't want to kill Danse to begin with. He was confused and he needed to keep his role and image in check. In reality, he wanted to keep him alive. He's trusted the man for decades, he understands Danse's selflessness and redeeming qualities. He was just looking for a viable reason for the two of you.
He definitely didn't sound like someone who was making a well adjusted decision. You'd think a synth killed his dog with how much he's throwing a temper tantrum. He's showing no emotional control at all.
Preston Garvey popping out at 17:45 to scold you was pure comedy. 😂
"Synth or not he deserved better from you...
Also do you know who deserves better? This settlement who needs your help, here I'll mark it on your map"
It's interesting that Danse gives you a weapon called Righteous Authority. It's almost like he knows what you'll eventually have to do and he's giving you the okay beforehand.
Imagine having a casual conversation with Danse and accidentally say the secret code
"Danse you good bro?"
That should have been an option
Danse, we have a job to do...
“KILL JOHN LENIN, KILL JOHN LENIN”
Welcome back, Nuclear Winter Paladin.
Preston: Come on, you don't go turning on your friends when someone asks you to.
*Becomes Overboss*
Preston: I want you to kill all your new raider friends. 🙃
But they are raiders
There are exceptions to this view
Bos are raiders though tbh
Becoming Overboss is in itself already an act of turning on your friends.
Lol
"I cant believe you just stood there and let him die" preston says as he stands on his corpse
21:03 I love the idea of tiny deacon peeking at what’s going on 😂
Brotherhood main quest
*killing bos montage*
when you have paladin danse while talking to the railroad and they say
“would you risk your life to save a man even if it’s a synths?”
*Paladin Danse Disliked That*
*wait, what*
Well yeah lol, he didnt know he was a synth, he believes they are the enemy, so when you say you would, it gore against the brotherhood
Thats literally what your character does to save Danse.
@@TheWatcher5292 They're referring to after the fact that he knows he's a synth...
He knows he's not bad, but he's still not on board with Synths being spared.
He's a BoS member through and through and only lives because of the sole survivor.
Stockholm syndrome is a Hell of a thing
17:42 Preston walks out like he's in a PBS Special
17:43 i love how he walks out like a narrator in a theatre show
I'm honestly more scared of actual people than machines.
Until these machines realize that they're better than humans and LOL-stomp all of us.
@@ikennasmash1030 There are people doing that already.
there were always people doing that but this fact does not mean our actual technological development is not dangerous for mankind
Watch battlestar galactica...
well, real people bombed other real people... synths didn't exist until 2227 in fallout.
"I've never been prouder of you than I am right now".
Damn... I really feel that one.
I just finished a brotherhood of steel play through of fallout 4 and recently did this quest finally. I decided based on my character to follow the orders to the letter and executed Danse. It was gut wrenching quest I must say.
I could never bring myself to kill Danse. I believe it's less of Danse being a synth, and more some kind of powergrab in the BoS. I mean, we make friends with Nick, so why not Danse
*sigh* Elder Lyons...I miss you
ReplicatorFifth me to! Maxon is a ******!
13:29 “Master Skywalker, there are too many of them what are we going to do?
I think synths are human. Rene Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" principle says so, so I did not kill him.
Preston was about to tell you a settlement is under attack, but he didn't like what he saw.
When you said "Quarantine" I felt that.
10 months later and I still feel that
At one point Danse sayed when i went with him to the castle:
The minutmen remind me of what the BoS has been before Maxson took over.
So i feel like the option to challenge him, would have been quite fitting.
Do you mean challenge Danse or Maxson?
I would’ve said no then instantly kill maxon
Onetoxic Mode
I _would_ do the same. But that would mean Danse would fight back as well
I'm pretty mad they took that out. I would care for my character being the leader, but Danse turning out to be the leader after that would be so great.
Danse was one of my fave characters and I refused to believe he was a synth
I love that they gave the high charisma option to convince Maxson to let Danse live in banishment. It shows how aware Maxson is that if he makes us kill danse or does it himself, he will make an enemy of us: his most valuable asset and soldier besides liberty prime. He will begrudgingly let Danse live it shows the respect he has for us, and if not respect, then we can recognize that HE recognizes our value.
Also, Maxson’s arguments against synths are valid in relation to the danger Danse poses to the BOS. Who’s to say the institute can’t enact their own version of “Order 66”?? If Danse was read his recall code somehow, he would pose a massive threat to the BOS. He is a Paladin, which means he’s high ranking, which means he can do more damage to the BOS if he wanted or was ordered to by the institute via recall code. I think Maxson acknowledges Danse’s history with the BOS and the sacrifices he has made. However, Maxson is also a soldier with his orders in mind, and his orders come first before any sentimentality. Now slaughtering ghouls and people who may or may not be synths is an entire gray area I do not speak for and all that is quite sus. BUT Maxson’s point of view on this argument NEEDS to be studied by a lot of you because it went over so many heads based on the comments I’ve read.
The fourth ending sounds even better!!!
The Paranormalist
I'd like to see my own companion do their own work while I just sit and watch from the back.
Danse vs Maxson would be an interesting duel...
There’s a mod for that
name please
www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/21923
5:00 when I first listen to that line I thought she said “I don’t care is he’s man or machine, he can still dance”
Lmao
lol
Get down on the Danse Floor
6:35 this line of dialogue is so gut wrenching to listen to. Imagine finding out you’re whole life was a lie. The voice acting is on point