Why Kidnapping A Woman Makes Her Yours In Wildling Culture
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Did you know in the books stealing a woman is okay in Wildling culture? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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Jon was like "why are you harassing me ?? Staph!" And Ygritte was like "the f you talking about? We're literally married."
this is even funnier since they're married in real life 😭
My first laugh of December
😂😂😂
Lmao
If i wasn’t dry-throated, my laughter would’ve scared my cat
This give a whole new meaning for "You know nothing Jon snow" about wildings culture
Lucky to comply with wildling culture even without knowing anything about wildling culture :-)
🥲
So… Jon’s a rapist?!
…Or is he a human trafficker?!
@@IsaiahRichards692The opposite, actually. She assaults HIM. Forces him to break his vow of chastity. And she certainly gave enthusiastic concent even if he didn't 😂
*Night watch oath* “I shall take no wife”
*Jon* *task failed successfully*
Jon was good at failing most things.
If you think about it, he failed twice, got married and took it literally
Also Jon... successes failfully
Knows nothing, does everything...
@@ttp513Does everything, fails in everything he did.
Ygritte: It was love, it was meant to be.
Jon: No, that’s Stockholm Syndrome
Woah, that's true... 🤯
Maybe she's into that?
That’s their way. In the books Jon asks her, what she would do if the man who steals her is grawb or cruel to her. Where she answers like a true feminist idol, that even cruel men do sleep, where she would cut their throat.
It also worked on Jon. So that is basically reverse Stockholm syndrome.
@@st0oxAs a fun fact, the opposite of Stockholm syndrome has a term on its own, and it's called Lima syndrome. This term is based on the Japanese embassy hostage crisis that took place in Lima en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_embassy_hostage_crisis
I would love to see Tormund try to steal Brienne, that would have been epic
I think it wouldn’t have gone well, she has some serious issues with men especially in the books because of how she’s been treated in the past and rape is a fear all women would have in that world, or at the very least a concern. She may just kill Tormund with Oathkeeper out of fear or anger.
@@jamesongillen1608 yeah Tormund stood no chance against Brienne
It's kind of implied in the books Tormund already did it with Maege Mormont.
She would beat tf outta him 😭
I knew this would be in the comments before I even finished watching
Fun fact: the judge at my trial said this is not a legal defense in the US
Your joking sir. Wilding law. =P
@@patriot17764th No, he's being completely serious.
@@Kenny-o6i ya, totally serious. i smuggled this phone into prison in my A-hole just to reply to this comment.
Maybe in Canada or Alaska
make sure to invoke trial by combat to get acquitted
So much so their actors are now married with kids. ❤
Really they're married in real life?? If so that's awesome shes so pretty and was my favorite female character when she was alive in the show.
@@Whats_a_ZJYes they fall in love in real life and are married now
We should also commend the casting director for guessing the right chemistry between these actors. That's gotta be some next level skills (Or maybe they were just lucky) 😆
They divorced lol
@@heyysophie9928fake news
"The southerners dont want you to know this, but the women at the park are free. You can just take them. I have 4 at home."
Those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those up.
You sir are a codfish! 😮
Thank you for this information I shall go gather a few myself
"Don't trust those Targaryens. .they're turning the damned dragons GAY!"
As I read that I started dying
There's a theory where Quaran halfhand steered the circumstances such that Jon would end up stealing Ygritte. Giving Jon an easy in amongst the wildlings. A risky espionage move.
He left Jon alone with Ygritte in order to see if Jon would kill her.
Quorin knew only someone who saw wildlings as people could help to stop their attack and make them allies.
Hell of a wingman too.
Ooo I like that move. Very cunning.
Do you think Qhorin would wanna go to a club as my wingman some time?
Interesting, didn't the halfhand know a bit about wildling culture? That's part of the reason how he survived for long or at least of course he knows a lot since he's a strong veteran.
Another thing about wildling culture is that a stolen woman isn't chattel. "A man can have a wife, or a knife, not both.” There is motivation to stay with a strong warrior who is able to defend you and any children you may have by him, but if a wildling woman truly doesn't like her husband and/or if he mistreats her, she'll cut his throat and nobody'll say a thing against her for it. It's lucky for Jon that Ygritte liked him, because in wildling culture it's an easy step from unhappy wife to merry self-made widow.
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@@gregorygolando Not really, if she's unhappy, she widows herself. It's simply that if someone tries to OWN a Wildling woman, he's in for a slit throat, but if she's agreeable to the relationship, probably to the point of considering the "stealing" to be nothing but a test of skill, they'll be happily married.
At the same time if she tried to kill him and he ended up killing her, he probably wouldn't have been blamed/faulted.
This culture makes literally zero sense though. You have to kidnap a woman to make her yours but at the same time if she doesn't like you and fights back she'll slit your throat, but she fights back to see if you're worthy of her?
What the fuck?
@@jnharton except being considered incompetent, and being ostracized by his community. Lacking to gile to or the strength to keep an unwilling woman is a bad sign in their society, espically for one incapable of seduction
She took the method acting thing to a whole new level...
I mean. Would you tell her no? Either her character or her actor?
Fun fact: Despite playing a wilding, the actor behind Ygritte was the only person on Game of Thrones who actually grew up in a castle IRL
I don't know if she literally grew up in a castle but she is of an aristocratic background. Funny since her character in Downton Abbey was also a commoner servant.
@@zydrate5098 Well I do know. She was raised in Lickleyhead Castle, a grand 15th-century castle in the Scottish countryside.
It barely qualifies as a castle, it's just a manor house.@@romeodahl1283
Anybody wanna talk about how great a leader Qhorin half hand was
And swordsman
He is so awesome. Reading acok for the first time and his reaction "So you let her live." He doesn't chastise him or dress him down, which I was expecting. 'To lead men you have to know them, I know you better now.'
@@Pantsdum_ I like when he corrects Jon for saying he commanded him to kill her.
@@gentlemanjaxx bro, he's the Maedhros of ice and fire.
@@Pantsdum_I love when Jon retorts "what if I killed her?" and Qhorin just says "then I'd know you better".
Two thoughts.
That's why Tormund was such a creep. Charming, great character but definitely a huge creep. Our favorite creep.
My second thought, is that I remember this lore from years ago that basically goes "Wildling women try to slit their husbands throats, and he doesn't let her." This gives some context to that tradition.
Ygritte said, "A man can own a woman or a man can own a knife, but no man can own both. Every little girl learns that from her mother."
@@Jerubarbaruahwhat does that even mean?
@@Lumosnight The assumption being if you own both, the woman will use the knife to kill you, so you stop having them
@@Lumosnight You can't treat a woman like an object, and not expect her to retaliate. The wildlings are all about respect. No self-respecting wildling woman would accept poor treatment. Jon Snow even knew as much when he thought about Ygritte, "She could kiss a man or slit his throat."
@@JerubarbaruahWildlings are not about respect. They are about power and survival. Nobody cares there about "self-respect" - it is simply about being powerful enough to take woman - and women understand that, because being powerful = being able to survive, and taken by powerful man would mean that woman would survive too. Simple as that. Resistance would just allow you to understand, how powerful the man is.
Jon stole Ygrid's heart and Kit stole the actresses heart. Now that's method acting.
I think you’re discounting the agency the Wilding women have. If they’re not okay being “stolen” they won’t be: “A man can own a woman or a man can own a knife, but no man can own both. Every little girl learns that from her mother.” -Ygritte ASOS Chapter 41
This whole series never fails to amaze me with how insanely detailed the lore is. From side characters, to regions, to laws, etc. It’s incredible how much thought was put into every aspect of this universe. It’s intimidating honestly lol
Mainly that's because a whole ton of the content is based on real history. Although the historical stuff is taken from all over the place in both space and time, and then applied in a much shorter amount of time and to fewer people. But still, a LOT of the Game of Thrones people and events are based on real people and real events.
For just one example, I used to work with a guy who's last name was Lancaster, who was descended from the real family that the Lannisters were based on.
For another example, the conflict between the Baratheon brothers is based on a real civil war in England that led to the precursor document that inspired the Magna Carta. (The real Onion Knight also inspired a character in one of the Final Fantasy Games, not only in Game of Thrones).
Truth is stranger than fiction, and good art imitates life at least as much as life imitates art.
Lmao, sounds like Ancient Greece 😅 the "kidnapping" and "married off" symbols were the same.
Not exactly the same. The women in Ancient Greece (i think) were supposed to want to marry the "kidnapper". The family just was against it and thus they left the family to get married in secret. That's something that they still did in recent years and probably still do.
@@aliceinwonderland5118 Interesting
Can you explain more please?
I can say you that such idea exists in almost all ancient cultures around entire planet
Yes. Exactly. And I'd bet dimes to dollars that is true in other cultures as well. Wish I knew.
Also an Indo-European tradition which is why both Greece and Rome featured the kidnapping of women and then making wives were prevalent
My favorite line in dance is val offering to marry a southern lord and as bonus she won't even slit his throat while he sleeps
And a cool side note to that is that even Starks and their bannermen count as Southron lords to her.
Doesn't she invite Jon to steal her
😂
@@adamchristensen8566why wouldn't they?, they are south of the wall, it is a known fact that all wildlings consider anyone born south of the wall a southerner. You aren't spouting any new info here.
@@brandocalrissian3294 It's more about different definitions of the term, and the irony of it. Both northerners and wildlings use the term with disdain. For a group to include the other there is funny.
Like, imagine the child of a man at arms mocking the peasantry, when they themselves are considered peasants. It's funny.
Imagine murder and kidnapping to be so commonplace that it isn't seen as traumatic but romantic.
There is a story about a young nobleman from Aragon, who met a young noblewoman in southern france during the 11th century. She was promised to some count but the two young people fell in love.
She traveled with her father's guards, maids and stuff to the count, when a moorish ship landed at the street. Moorish corsairs attacked the group, killed all exept for the young noblewoman and took her with them.
On the ship they revealed that they were knights from aragon. The leader, her lover.
He took her home and they married and were happy for a long time, despite him killing a dozend people she knew from childhood on.
@@jarlnils435yep, it’s that Stockholm Syndrome.🙂
@@sekac.7029 not really. They fell in love before he kidnapped her, to marry her. It is even speculated that it was her plan.
Something like 25% if China is related to gankis Khan. Because of how common such things were only a little while ago hah
When women weren't exposed are forced to accept sexual things like in today's culture, women probably were scared and ran for their lives. While the men married them because they held themselves accountable to honor in that way. ❤
Jon even stole her in real life and married her 😂❤
Probably just rehearsing on screen for the upcoming wedding. Damn Kit is such a LSOAB! 🤗
❤
It's pretty much just a version of bride kidnapping that happens in reality.
Some cultures have a similar tradition in which the groom may have to fight the bride's male relatives (father, brothers, uncles, etc). It's to prove that he is capable of protecting her, possibly even better than they could so she "should be" under his protection instead.
Before judging it too harshly, consider that other cultures which felt less threatened but were more economic did a similar thing but with money. That's where a bride price came from. If he could spend that much and still be fine, he must have enough to provide well for her.
That's basically what has transformed into expensive engagement rings. He's paying to show his capability to provide and how a symbolic gesture of how much he values her.
If it helps make it less upsetting or whatever, consider that the bride may cooperate, her relatives may not fight hard, and the bride price may be loweres if the couple were in love and everyone approved of their union.
Yeaaa its still weird. Cultural norm doesn't have much weight on whether or not something is weird or off-putting, especially as child brides and arranged marriages are still a thing in some cultures. I'm not gonna go out boycotting or anything since thats neither my place nor interest...but it *is* weird.
@@bluebay1031It does have a weight on whether something is weird because it's only weird to you due to your own cultural upbringing.
@@bluebay1031 the other person is right. In their minds, child marriages and arranged are normal because (at least my guess) is because they're having the older and wiser people handle something important before the younger one makes mistakes and "ruins" themselves/their chances. They even discuss it on social media. I'm not defending it but I can understand their logic.
I do *NOT* agree with it but can understand what they're saying, know what I mean?
For example, a certain organization known for spreading their political ideology through scaring people in the Middle East? One that the US fought against... Yeah, I think I can say it that way without upsetting the YT censors. Anyways, they posted memes online arguing their logic.
One of those showed Western Women complaining about not being able to find a husband, regretting their decisions, complaining about the downfall of their page only for their fans as they got older, etc.
On the other side, they showed their women covered up and caring for kids with an argument that she didn't have those regrets or concerns.
Again, it's pretty alien to my way as my wife picked me as much as I picked her and we were both annoyed at her bro who seemed to think she should have "ended up with" his friend who wanted her. Honestly, he still does which has been awkward. I mean, we went to a family Halloween party recently and I played with our kids while she socialized with my sis by her side. My sis told me later that she noticed that guy still checking my wife out.
For context, she made it clear that she wasn't interested in him in their teens, she's been with me for almost a decade and a half, we're all in our 30's, and he has a girlfriend. So... Yeah, I very much agree that it's weird but it is what it is I guess?
@@bluebay1031Cultural norms (social norms) have an extremely heavy impact on what is normalor not. That’s literally how society works.
In the early 20th century and 19th century spanking an unruly and disobedient wife was a ‘normal’ (strong use of word) thing done by husbands, it was a social norm.
Today it is not longer a social norm, therefore no longer happens.
In conclusion, social norms is the main determinant as to what is acceptable or not
Through blood or money is irrelevant. As the damn woman first, then put the boxing gloves in first. Ffs.
It makes sense, courting is fundamentally about establishing your ability to take care of somebody. In a society with little economic and technological development that relies on violence to survive, that is indeed a way to establish it
As messed up as it is, it kinda makes sense. In a time where the guys had to take care of the women during the harder parts of life (for example pregnancy) you wanted to make sure that he could. And ironically this gave her choice in the matter, if she liked him, she could "resist" less.
Its kidnapping, the women never had a choice in the first place.....
It may have been extremely common and nearly traditional but hey the definition of kidnapping has never changed
Plus there's a thing called Stockholm Syndrome so...
@masonasher9689 there's also reverse Stockholm syndrome. This tradition works with both.
@@masonasher9689Some cultures in Central Asia will still kidnap their own bride they were going to marry anyways to the wedding ceremony. So the writer didn’t just make this up
That is Krygastan and they have a high female suicide rate as a result.@@randomlygeneratedname7171
It's tragic that Ygritte died for nothing. After Stannis's army pushed the Wildings back, the various sides came to terms not lon after. The wildlings got to go south of the wall like they wanted and they became allies of Jon.
Ygritte confronting Jon after the truce was agreed would have been interesting to read. Whatever agreement was reached, she'd still be furious over what was Jon's betrayal in her eyes.
But it's a poignant death that highlights the tragedy in war especially in wars that are futile😊
"You mean the one that looks at you like she wants to eat your liver?"
"Aye! So you've meet her!"
Question, wouldn't this mean Jon has violated his Night's Watch Oath? Specifically The part where they vow take no wife.
Yeh. It's an important part of the plot. It's part of what helps him convince the Wildlings that he's "one of them".
Probably not because the nights watch don't know of this and Jon didn't know as well
Yeah, but also plenty of crows went to dig for buried treasure in moles town
No because he didn’t know nor did the watch. He broke the chastity vow
@@dirkdookies6418 he’s not the only one to break his vow for a quick lay
She didnt give a fart for Orell
Jon stole her heart the moment she laid eyes on him.
Double since he acted uninterested, and she had to chase him.
I dislike George greatly. Leaving the book readers hanging like this is just evil. He dipped his toes in gold and the rest is HBO history.
Jon: "I didn't steal you!"
Ygritte: "Oh but you did."
Jon: "And I don't want you!"
Ygritte: "Oh but you do."
Jon: "You're talking nonsense!"
Ygritte: "*SIGH* You know nothing Jon Snow." 😂
"Aye, y'did, Jan Snuh."
LMAO
Id hate to be the dude that got murdered trying to protect the love of my life and she's just like "damn that was some good killing, have my babies"
That technically means Robb or Theon married Osha 😂
And with Theon, there would be another can of worms regarding "Salt Wives".
With Robb, it would have been rather weird if that had been the reason he couldn't marry a Frey (and have a Wildling Queen for the Northern Kingdom).
@@TV-ge3uj Would make for great comedy though. Cat at the twins: "Sorry Walder Robb can't marry your daughter, he accidentally married a Wildling."
Jon and ygritte was all kinds of love you would want in life❤️ ❤️
He kidnapped her and forced her to be his prisoner. How romantic 🙄
@@WobblesandBean lol their respective factions were at war
@@WobblesandBeanDid you miss the entire short? For Ygritte that was literally the same as flirting
@@WobblesandBeanicl u dont seem the brightest tbh
@@WobblesandBeanI mean if you look at the trainwrecks of relationships here and there, combined with the fiction they normally consume, it makes total sense.
Poor Ygritte. I think she cared about Jon more than he cared about her.
What kind of sick courtship is that.
"You stole me!"
"Ya but you like me don't you?" lol 😂
Could u imagine tormund trying to steal brienne 😂..anyways this concept is crazy af but also deeply romantic in a way
😅 Yeah its funny, who would win in a fight between them though?
@@Jamboliar88 Hard to guess and with different Culture along with Brianne's mindset? she would like never allow herself to be married since she is no wildling
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270hard to guess, LOL brienne was nearly beaten by a weakened Jaime. Tormund is fucking huge and a northerner beyond the wall. The harshest climate in westeros. He would easily take her
It's bizarre to me that amongst the men and women in this society (and some real historical societies), a legitimate and *healthy* form of courtship that is considered acceptable to both parties is little more than kidnapping and rape here and now. And somehow the women considered this a *good thing* since if the man was too weak to even beat "just a woman" in a fight, then he was too weak to take care of her.
@@phantomguy1237Don't forget Brienne has Oathkeeper. She has atleast a 40/60 chance of beating Tormund.
I don’t know a lot about my culture, but what I do know is that it was actually tradition to straight up just kidnap daughters to introduce to the family, my dad also tells stories about how they used to line up and throw balls to each other, whoever caught your ball was your girlfriend. (I’m Hmong, aka an Asian)
When you don't know the culture and end up with a wife because you're a badass.
Jon: *Attacks and kidnapps Ygritte*
Ygritte: So anyway, guess we're married now
Daily reminder that they do this irl in Tajikistan to this day.
There's parts of the Caucases where this went on til like, the 80s.
@@BasicMappingits mongolian tradition quite common in central asia and the caucasus. However its purely symbolic because actual kidnappings are illegal
@@LalaLa-ze7kv Proving that you could pull it off as a sign of capability, I'd guess. Also a chance to play 2x whatever horseback tag 😂
@@torg2126Horseback tag sounds fucking amazing, to be honest. Gonna add that to my list.
"Did you know?"
Jon: I'm told I know nothing.
This has to do with a culture that NEED their men to be strong so it can survive, in case you didn’t know in perpetual winter hunting is practically speaking your only option.
This was actually a tradition in Bulgaria, and even now sometimes at the wedding day there's a play scene where the man steals the bride from her house.
He made her "his" alright!! 😂 Even after having taken an oath of celibacy... naughty boy! 😜
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Basically the Westerosi equivalent of getting blackout drunk in Vegas and waking up married to a random stranger with no memory of the night before.
Legend has it... they're still together, ten years later.
This is very similar to Spartan courtship where a Spartan male had to forcefully bed his wife and if he survived then she was his. Remember, Spartan women were very dangerous
So Spartan women are trained to try and kill the Spartan men on their wedding nights???
@@kingkongchief1177I don't know but that would be an amazing story.
This isn't true. Spartan women, although definitely tougher than most women from other city states of Rome, were not allowed to participate in training. They were treated as property and only good for making more male soldiers. In fact, on a Spartan's wedding night, she was encouraged to dress as a man to make the transition easier for her new husband to consummate the marriage.
@@WobblesandBean bro that’s hilarious. You know some mf spartans were bisexual for that silly rule to exist
@@harcoomthe boys spend all their time together training so the wedding night is probably the first time they see any 🐈
I'm still not over this, Jon and Ygritte were one of the cutest couplings in the story. they really deserved each other.
It’s funny cause in my culture my grandfather was described as “stealing” my grandma away 💀
Jon secretly want some of that wildling action😂
Is it just me or doesn't seem odd that the wildlings who consider themselves the free people and if i remember right are the only democratic people in westeros, would have a courtship that involves the women being considered property and can just b stolen and them having no choice at all?
They took the term Mr. Steal Your Girl and cranked it up to 11. 😂😂
This is practiced in rural Georgia to this day. (The country not the state.)
Pretty sure that happens in rural Georgia, (the state) as well. Ever herd of shotgun weddings? : )
@@torg2126 I have. Can you explain how they work?
“Steal a woman” is an interesting way to say kidnap 🥴
There's another detail they left out of the show but, considering how barbaric the time period they based A Song of Ice and Fire was, I'm not really that surprised.
The true hardships come when you try to give her back.
You know what.. that really makes sense. Also explains why she was so angry. “Oh you stole then abandoned me” lol
Spartans use to do this too, but in their version you also had to seal the deal before she could get away.
Yes. It's exactly what it sounds like.
He stole her, then he ate her. So...that's one thing he knows.
What a dangerous courtship.
Jon didnt mean to steal her but hey a Dubs a Dub
Btw, in indonesia we also have this kinda tradition. You steal the girl you want to get married with. And i just found out about this in october last year, because they did this to a girl and they got arrested.
Lot of rural SE asian people had this custom long ago (some still do it now)
Their romance is the best part of the series
What makes this even more adorable is that IRL they're actually married
My toxic trait is thinking this is romantic😆💀🖤
Years and years before GoT was a glimmer in anyone's eyes, there was a sci-fi book where space pirate culture was essentially this. Invade one of their bases, force a woman to submit, take her away despite all opposition, and she's yours for life. Anyone could do it, even cops and military which were usually opposed to pirate culture. WEll, if they survived the attempt.
And they got married, in real life.
It always makes me laugh when people say that those two characters had no chemistry when the actors are still together to this day in real life.
Sounds like Turkic Steppe culture where brides get kidnapped and graped on their wedding day.
“Instructions unclear” I’m in prison now
I did the same thing, we’ve been married eleven years now. she’s 19 this month
Based
jon snow was just tryin to have a normal day and take a hostage but then she had to make it weird x'''''D
Jon Snow was so dumb he left the show with an actual wife......😂😂😂😂
Did you know in 1910's also was very common in México to steal woman? My great grandmother and her sisters where hidden in their whater well when revolutionaries came by to steal provisions.
When I was in high school we went to a Circassian village in the north of the country they have a tradition exactly the same where the groom kidnaps the bride for 48 hours the whole village chases after him and if he succeeds she is his it was interesting to learn how many deep and ancient cultures live together in the Holy Land🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱
A culture and land of rapists, clearly.
Honesty their chemistry was absolutely unmatched on screen it was the only real relationship I had any investment in
Best couple in that history ❤
Jon: We’re married? I dun wan it
In my country, a small mountainous tribe in the north still has this custom.
Bro really went native lmao
You didn't kill me so we're like married now.
that put a joy in my heart and a tear in my eye...😂😂😂
Your graduation was soo cute with those flowers😊❤
"Oh look, more ways to add porn to my story"- R.R.Martin
For a moment, I didn't knew It was about Game of Thrones, I never watched it, so I thouth this was some real life thing like they say about Skimos.. but I heard the name John Snow.. so known that even someone who doesn't watch the show or read the books know.
John living amongst the wildlings was my favorite part of GOT
Wife stealing was a thing in many nomadic cultures. My pagan Hungarian ancestors did it too and others like the Cumans.
Sometimes the women were in on it, sometimes even her parents, sometimes only the guy doing the stealing.
I truly don’t know I feel about this. In our culture that would never fly. But for them it’s both kinda cute and a little messed up. But hey if it works for them.
This is so sweet, because they fell in love in real life too!!!!!. God bless them both. I hope they have what it takes to stay together through the years.
Oh, I didn't know RR Martin read Danielle Steele!
Her Bodice rippers were some of my favorites, too.
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The fact that they end up married in real life warms my heart.
Little did Jon knows that when he put his knife in her neck he just got himself a wife.
Brah literally was like : "what you said marriage ! Nah im out !" 😂🙏🏾
Makes perfect sense evolutionary speaking
Its like the ancient inuit custom, the woman screams and bawls, but its a goodbye and thank you to her parents, and if theres two men interested there was a duel of sorts
One of the saddest deaths. 😢
These two took their role so seriously that they end up marrying😂