Blazed Gaming KR the funny thing is the zinogre hbg in mhgu is also STOOPID and one of the best HBG to use in MHGU unless you had Thunderlord zinogre HBG
Ok I must say that showing a poverty build is EXCELLENT! I’m terrible at this game but I love it and seeing an effective budget build to work toward has me super excited! Cheers!
Same. It gets so disheartening to see constant builds that have a stack of decos that have an almost zero drop rate and relies completely on rng to ever be able to recreate it in my own game.
Right there with yas. Just got my 1st 1 slot attack jewel 800 hrs in as well -_- pre ice Bourne farming lava fish I woulda lost my shit but now Its kinda redundant. Still hanging out for 1 of these and I can pine over god tier 4 slots now
Great video, tho one thing you guys missed about offensive guard HBG is that there's another way to trigger it, if you pull out the slinger and swap back to the bowgun right before getting hit it'll proc the skill, just thought ya'll'd like to know
@@O_RLY not sure if it's faster but it's definitely alot more controllable with the timing since your able to pull the slinger out at any time and be able to pull the bowgun back up whenever during that time
You know what’s baffling? Best Doggo HBG w/ shield n +5 Guard takes NO chip dmg while a lance +5 Guard does for the same attacks and with more knock back on some attacks. Starting think there’s a bug affecting lance 😑
For those who only have 1 spread jewel: Gold rathian helmet a Kirin Chest a Arthian arms a Odogaron Waist b Gold rathian legs a Gets you exactly the same skills except the fortitude/free meal (depends on decorations you got.... again) if you dont have any spread jewels......: use this gun anyways because its still broken
Thanks for the set, although, with my skill level, I'll probably get the jewel before I kill an MR Kirin. Tbh, I'm not even bad, I just can't stand Kirin, not a fun fight, Imo.
@Striffee I used to dislike fighting Kirin too, but now that we can soften his body with the clutch claw, he’s much more bearable and actually kinda fun, because you don’t have to focus exclusively on attacking his head anymore.
@@Heisenberger_29 it's kinda hard but sticky ammo lbg or hbg works the best for Kirin cause it doesnt have a high stun threshold. More so now cause a lot of weapons have higher stun value of attacks. Only problem is you need to have memorized his attacks.
@@NeocrimsonX ??? Never heard of that, I thought best pierce HBGs in 4U were Seregios for evade reload, Crimson Fatty for limiter removed and Gravios for siege firing
I became a HBG main back when I was hr29. A lot of my friends were talking smack about how HBG was gonna be useless and get rekt by the monsters in iceborne.....well I say to them.....stoopid
In my experience its actually been super easy to activate offensive guard with a very similar build. The timing on it is pretty forgiving with how short the attack commitments are.
Oh yeah its honestly not difficult to proc off guard, there's a few techniques to proc it that work very consistently. But these sets focus on comfiness, and off guard is much less comfy than pressing r2 and just stopping when something is about to hit you.
As a HBG main I'm so excited for this :3 I just updated my guard set to have divine blessing 5 so now im at: Critical Eye +7 Guard +5 Weakness Exploit +3 Critical Boost +3 Free Element/Ammo up +3 Health Boost +3 Spread/Power Shots +2 Divine Blessing +5 Guard Up Basically my old set but minus the fortify for divine blessing 5. Not that it matters cause you're guarding but the fact that i can have that in there as well its amazing for if get clipped or mess up a reload. Keen to see what you guys have and if you have any more dps orientated guard gun sets :D
@@SubOrYoureGay Golden Lunehelm B+ Kirin Jacket a+ Artian Vambraces B+ Golden Lunecoil B+ Garuga Greaves B+ Ironside Charm V The most 2 important new decorations are the critical boost/vitality jewel and the release/protection jewel. Aside from that it's 2 other crit boost jewels, 2 spread jewels, a shield jewel, 3 Tenderizer Jewels and the experter +2 Jewel. Mantle decorations are up to you but I'll always put slugger 2 in my impact mantle and evade extender in my glider mantle.
Lachie - 004 I use the same build but the arms . I use Kaiser Arms B and have everything u mentioned in my build . Was able to add lvl 2 offensive guard .
That poverty build is the best thing, if doable it covers all the deco issues I and many other have with every build you put out ! Keep doing it please, whenever possible, really helpful.
As a Guard 5 Lance main, can confirm there are plenty of attacks that still chip. Always the ones with long wind-ups like Teo Nova or Shara Cannon or whatever. Zinogre himself has a LOT of chip on a few of his attacks, particularly the jump attack that can launch him across zones. Can't wait to pick up Glutton 2.0 so I can play "Lance but better" again lol
I love the clip of you fighting the Diablos I found myself saying the exact same thing halfway through my first hunt with what I could put together of the build. I only died once on a tempered Tobi kadachi because I was going for the tail weekend when he went and uses attack
You can actually roll or reload into Offensive Guard. You can even activate Evasion Mantle and Offensive Guard off one attack and you can get Release/Offensive Guard decos (the only reason I started running it). Health Boost 3 is complete overkill when you have an invincible shield. We could also mix in 2 pieces of Blackveil Vaal set for Peak Perfomance 3 and Super Recovery.. You don't heal super fast but could make up for any potential chip damage while maintaining Peak uptime. They have pretty good slots as well. Also, those next level mindgames by Black Diablos.. What a well designed fight.
@@369darkness Ohhh that's a good point. It didn't really cost me anything so I've had it equipped for a while, it actually goes off fairly often even when I'm not trying. Could be worth looking into as a bonus lvl 4 Deco skill. I'm using Super Recovery and Peak Perfomance 3 but I'm one level 2 slot away from having all the best skills.. Blackveil Vaal helm and belt are so close to being optimal. Unless I'm missing something, but I have to sacrifice one level or critical boost or guard up to make my set work.. You really don't even need Guard or Guard Up against some enemies if you have multiple shield mods, but then sometimes I run into something you do need them against and it's very bad. I usually ditch the Critical Boost augment just in case.. I'll take like 4.5% less DPS for Super Recovery. It really sucks when you have to sheathe heavy bow gun..
@@SaltymanGaming yea same, since i had it with a release jewel combination i decided to see how to trigger it just in case and that method seemed to work best for me
The problem is,that it's not worth the hassle to do all this combos and stuff with other weapons,while you can just hide behind this beast and do MORE damage haha.
and if you are a fan of shooters, being able to have a gun build that is actually on par with your best melee builds(if not even better) is pretty godamn fun
Its fun cause im a LS main an this was my first ever mh HBG i ever used. I made it cause i love zin and it looked cool but little did i know i had a anti rathalos machine in my hands
@@renthevillain1885 I think LS is a bit weak in iceborne. I was sad when i made my first LS build and it was only a little bit stronger, than my kjarr LS and there was no health augment. Now im in endgame, but LS feels like shit.
These builds and commentary are still valid as of 04/27/21 - There are better HBGs now but they just make this OP build even more OP. The cost of entry is extremely low as everything here can be mindlessly solo'ed. One big note, the honeyhunter buildcard in the video is not showing the WEX+ skill. However, it is being calculated in the the Effective Raw number. I know this is an old video but huge kudos to JinJinx/Tuna for doing what you do!
Ironside Charm V doesn't require you to get MR100+ material. It takes 2 research commission tickets +, Tempered Radoban material in Guiding lands, Spirit vein shard, and Phantomcore ore.
A tip for everyone. Even tho Offensive Guard is not that easy to activate on HBG you can slot it into mantles to have even more damage. With some practice you will learn how to preventive fire and quick scope to activate it almost every time and is a large damage boost Use the glider mantle with 2 LV 4 slots for 180 seconds and 120 cooldown and it is basically always up I personally use rocksteady with 2x tool specialist and glider with 2x offensive guard + anything You can even drop rocksteady and get a mantle with like 210 seconds cooldown to get almost 100% uptime on the extra skills For example: elemental mantles have 180 sec duration and 210 second cooldown. Thant means you will have 360 seconds uptime and 30 seconds downtime for offensive guard +2 extra skills of LV 4 slots This is not accounting for tool specialist in the build because in that case you can realistically reach 100% uptime.
You know, I don't think that the gun itself is overtuned, it's a problem with how Iceborne was balanced... Every monster has no recovery frames after attacks now, defensive options are easily THE most valuable skill any weapon can offer you (from a comfy perspective, not speedrun). For average joes like myself, I saw no reason to use anything other than Lance, CB and HBG on my way to MR70, anything other weapons could do, it wasn't as safe and as effective as these weapons. If the monster flies or is constantly zooming around (or Barioth which does both) then ONLY the HBG can deal with them as they keep pumping damage at a distance where melee weapons need constant relocation with a Rocksteady to cause damage. Ranged is extremely favored in Iceborne, not just because of the damage, but because the way the monsters and CC was balanced.
I'm convinced that once you pop your first rare jewel it lowers the rng to get more. I got about 20 weakness exploit and earplugs and my pal who has played more than me has zero of either. He has spread jewels and free elements and I gots nada I'm close to a thousand hours in.
In my quest to obtain a Marathon Jewel, i ended up getting 2 Shield Jewels, several Critical Jewels, 2 Spread Jewels, 2 Bow Charge Jewels, a Dragonseal Jewel, an Awakening Jewel, and...no Marathon Jewel.
Hell, before you can even upgrade the Zin HBG all the way it's still ridiculous. Ridiculously fun, cleared almost all the arena optionals with chain wall slams, impact mantle, wall slam, capture, didn't even need the shield but it made it extra comfy.
Yeah, a poverty version of each builds would be nice, I personaly played World on ps4 so I have a lot of Decos, but I don't really have the time to farm except on weekends, so a easy build to make is really nice to see.
Kind of sucks, but honestly ps4 has it the best and is the way to go, with that save modifier and you can even take your PC save and transfer it to ps4. Xbox don't have anything lmao
Yeah, at least until it release on PC, PS4 is the way to go, kinda suck that our brothers hunters on Xbox don't get some events themed to Gears or Halo, but seeing the absolute disaster the Xbox one was in Japan , I can't really blame Capcom.
Alternate option (If your like me and have no luck with Zinogre's drops), is the Great Jagras HBG it also gets Wyvern Heart, and it's been what I've been using when I use HBG due to lack of Zinogre Deathly Shockers and I don't have a overly good Kulve HBG, not to mention you can Build the Great Jagras one and upgrade it to full, pretty much on starting Master Rank, it might not be as good but it's something.
Could we get an updated build for this? I imagine it changed after safi gear. For instance, I see people going for the 3 piece nargacuga bonus because they can take 1 point of it on the weapon. Is that more optimal than the builds in this vid? Cheers
Thank you guys for the introduction of poverty builds, looking forward to more like it for people who can't play all the time. But sadly by the time that I get the mats required for even the poverty set, this gun will be nerfed because of the unbalance.
Why do premiere for this?:/ Everyone can tell how the build goes already since base World used to have a comfy guard HBG build as well for easy cheese when it first was out... Only now it sacrifices damage skills for Guard 5 and Guard Up and uses Offensive Guard to make up for the damage difference because it's a % boost so it's pretty darn strong!
Making a premiere has nothing to do with the content of the video. Pretty sure they're experimenting with the format to see if it benefits their channel.
@@RiskOfBaer That may be the case, but when someone does premiere it gives you an alert at first since that's when it's considered the video is out, then people stop caring and forget about the video when it's actually out since they don't get notified again.
@@Ensanguine. yup, making the other ammo more worthwile would be the way to go, its not like its old slicing/clusters, you need to stay close, aim properly and you give up quite a bit of damage to get the safety of the shield.
I whipped this set together, threw on Mightning 1 (still missing that Skymerald) and hunted a Zinogre in 11 minutes with no carts and only 2 max pots used, despite never having used HBG before in any MH game. This thing is pretty busted.
I feel like this is kinda overhyped. Maybe I'm just bad with HBG, but I find it difficult to tenderize wounds consistently because the CC animation for HBG takes like 5 years. I hunt MUCH more efficiently with Switch Axe.
You can offensive guard if you toggle your slinger ammo , draw the weapon or roll the last two are iffy like you said but the singer toggle can be very useful. Hopes this helps someone
Been using this build in the guiding lands for the past 2 days and FYI.... It’s so godly. Teostra Eruption/nuke attack tickles you, and Rajang can’t do ANYTHING to you. It’s absolute invincibility with god Damage. And of course, Impact Mantle+ with slugger built in just makes any fight a joke. Rip Tempered Velkhana, nothing chips you at all
Hey can the next build video be on hh? there is almost nothing online and i think the bone hh might be the best horn (if you don't whant to use master touch) but i can't find anyone to confirm it
@@Henrirocha11 why not use Teos Masters Touch + Weakness exploit with tenderized parts + affinity augments/crit eye? I also know that these builds are boring as hell (all well too similar), but maybe you can come up with something good on your own that fits your playstyle 🤗. Btw. do I main IG, bow and HAMMER! and I consider checking out some SA and DB builds. If you hunt via PS4, consider hitting me up - my ID is tigrexfanboy69 !-)
@@mekudu-man3804 yeah i know this build and im not a big fan at least on hh the tenderizer os too slow and without It i can't crit reliably. And yeah i will send you a request maybe we can Hunt together some time
I know exactly how you feel, acidic glavenus seems like the only competent HH with a few others but I feel like all the good HH have horrible sharpness or if they do have good sharpness the songs mostly sucks... As much as I like the new attack hitting blue sharpness because I'm not using the 'mandatory' master touch from teostra is just the worst... is either that or max the shit out of Handicraft in every build...
Just so we're clear, there is plenty of room for an intermediate stage between the poverty build and comfy build in case you do have a lot of decos but are missing one or two critically necessary ones like the Shield Jewel. For instance, if you happen to have two spread jewels, you could drop the Lavasioth grieves for the Yian Garuga grieves B+, switch out the alpha armors for their beta counterparts, and be left with much better deco slottage for things like crit eye, crit boost, Free Element/Ammo Up, vitality, etc.
My Build with Loyal Thunder is: Rajang Head B Kirin Jacket A Kaiser Vambraces B Shara Coil B Yian Garuga B Ironside Charm V The skills i have active are: Critical Eye 7 Guard 5 Health Boost 3 Ammo Up 3 Critical Boost 3 Weakness Exploit 3 Offensive Guard 3 Spread 2 Attack 1 Divine Blessing 1 Heat Guard Guard Up Level 4 Jewel Slots i have the Expert +4 and 3 Guardian/Release.
I know I've already commented but oh well... Here's a min-maxed DPS set based on this: Zorah Beta+ Kirin Alpha+ Teo Beta+ Silver Sol Beta+ Garuga Beta+ Guard 5 Charm For decos go with 3*Critical Jewel 2, 2*Expert Jewel 1, 1*Shield Jewel 2, 2*Spread Jewel 2, 2*Tenderizer Jewel 2, then 1*TrueShot Jewel 4+ (for even more damage on WyvernHeart) and, last but not least, 3*Guardian/Release Jewel 4 (this gives Offensive Guard and Free Element 3, but if you don't have all 3 or don't want OG just use normal Release Jewels for FE/AU). Now, this set basically is a comfy set if you are careful that is more DPS focused with skills being CE7, WE3, Guard 5, CB3, OG 3 (if you have the jewel for it), Ammo Up 3, Special Ammo Boost 2, Guard Up and then some QoL skills like Heat Guard 1, Divine Blessing 1, Windproof 1 and most importantly Flinch Free 1 so trips from behind by small monsters or in multiplayer don't cause you to drop your guard! This set is basically as damage heavy as you can go before you sacrifice all the comfiness!
@@cleander3645 Pc is essentially just the console but three months behind, so yes. It is as strong on pc now, as it was then on console. I also don't think they changed anything, but I could be wrong.
If no ones mentioned and you haven’t tried yet I used this to farm shara faceplates for all the weapons. the max guard version melts her face off and can block everything bar heavy chip from the beam attack, just dodge out of it with 1 roll. without partbreaker just shooting the face 2nd phase will take 10 to 15 mins to clear guaranteed face drop. I use my IG main to drop the rocks and clear phase 1 in 3mins then farcaster out to grab it.
You guys are like the super rich 1% of the gaming community, capcom ain’t playin games anymore. They should add one day to the release every time someone comments “pC mAsTeR rAcE”
So I made the first build mentioned and I freaking love it, it's stupid holy crap, like I've almost never used a heavy bowgun but the few times I have it sucked. But I ran a master rank anjanath and it was cake, like it took about 10 minutes.. and I dont think I got hit once.. this is crazy
I think people are overreacting simply because it's a ranged weapon that requires no 'effort'. I think we've been here before with slicing. In truth, this isn't remotely the fastest way to kill something. Is it comfy? Hell yeah, but it's no more comfy than those divine blessing builds stacked with fortify. Also, it gets countered as hard as lance with all the trash bullshit that was added to iceborne via aoe tick damage. Go ahead and try this setup against Jho or lunastra. Imo the guard thing is fine, but they should definitely take away the scope ability on spread.. that shit is dumb af
A alternative to the fulger helm is the rajang helm 1 lv4 slot and a lvl 1 slot but the helm comes with 2 lvls of weak exploit on it so it's basically a free lvl1 slot good hunting!
You don't actually need MR 100+ to build Guard 5 Charm. You can do the "We Run this Town" quest at MR 24 (do all 1-5 optionals) or get taxied to the quest.
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Finally, a real gunlance.
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Spammer Man ah nice
OOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!! DAT BUUURRN!!!
Our battle will be legendary!
Okay ill give you this one simply because i laughed for 5 minutes
What I learned?
"This gun is stoopid"
Blazed Gaming KR And lance shield and guard 5!
Blazed Gaming KR the funny thing is the zinogre hbg in mhgu is also STOOPID and one of the best HBG to use in MHGU unless you had Thunderlord zinogre HBG
Ok I must say that showing a poverty build is EXCELLENT! I’m terrible at this game but I love it and seeing an effective budget build to work toward has me super excited! Cheers!
Same. It gets so disheartening to see constant builds that have a stack of decos that have an almost zero drop rate and relies completely on rng to ever be able to recreate it in my own game.
The fact you call it a poverty build makes it even more hilarious how much shit ive broken in 2 using it
You say its a buget build but you need crit jewels I HAVE NONE
@@Heathcliff_Hater I've gotten a lot from Guild Alchemy/Steamworks. Farm up some fuel and try that route?
I got excited about the poverty build too lol
Imagine being 700+ hours in and still not having a guard up gem
Same dude, that shit hurt my soul as a lance main. But on the bright side I can farm gems easier with this set lol.
876hrs in and i dont have one.. As the ONLY deco, besides for thoes crazy r4 deco. I even have 20+ handicraft, spread, forceshot and sharpener
Yeah i feel you there, the exact same happen to me till i finally got it at around 800~900 hours, keep at it man!
@@_syzygy_ Thanks man :) We never give up !
I just Know that when it finally drops, it will be in a 4slot one With damn crises on xD
Right there with yas. Just got my 1st 1 slot attack jewel 800 hrs in as well -_- pre ice Bourne farming lava fish I woulda lost my shit but now Its kinda redundant. Still hanging out for 1 of these and I can pine over god tier 4 slots now
I was looking for a good, safe spread hbg build. This is awesome, thank you!
If you drop fortify you can add divine blessing 5.
Great video, tho one thing you guys missed about offensive guard HBG is that there's another way to trigger it, if you pull out the slinger and swap back to the bowgun right before getting hit it'll proc the skill, just thought ya'll'd like to know
But it's it faster than shooting?
@@O_RLY not sure if it's faster but it's definitely alot more controllable with the timing since your able to pull the slinger out at any time and be able to pull the bowgun back up whenever during that time
I love how you got y'all'd right.
*looks at lance*
sighs...
*takes to the back of the barn*
And then shoot it with a Spread 3 TankShotgun
@@JinJinxandTuna lmao
You know what’s baffling? Best Doggo HBG w/ shield n +5 Guard takes NO chip dmg while a lance +5 Guard does for the same attacks and with more knock back on some attacks.
Starting think there’s a bug affecting lance 😑
@@Bagakoo This game is a bug.
A dung beetle if I may.
4 years later I’m still coming back to this video
Finally got a guard up deco and literally cried out in happiness. This gun has definitely made the game more fun for me
For those who only have 1 spread jewel:
Gold rathian helmet a
Kirin Chest a
Arthian arms a
Odogaron Waist b
Gold rathian legs a
Gets you exactly the same skills except the fortitude/free meal (depends on decorations you got.... again)
if you dont have any spread jewels......:
use this gun anyways because its still broken
I have a divine protection and release lvl 4 gem and with that I can get all the skills plus divine blessing lvl 5 which is overkill lol
Thanks for the set, although, with my skill level, I'll probably get the jewel before I kill an MR Kirin. Tbh, I'm not even bad, I just can't stand Kirin, not a fun fight, Imo.
@Striffee I used to dislike fighting Kirin too, but now that we can soften his body with the clutch claw, he’s much more bearable and actually kinda fun, because you don’t have to focus exclusively on attacking his head anymore.
@@Heisenberger_29 it's kinda hard but sticky ammo lbg or hbg works the best for Kirin cause it doesnt have a high stun threshold. More so now cause a lot of weapons have higher stun value of attacks. Only problem is you need to have memorized his attacks.
Hey do you have a recommendation ona. Substitute HBG i have not progressed or have thr materials to build this one and would like alternatives
• High damage
• Lance shield
• Damage that is more consistent than a lance
• High range
This thing is stoopid!
the fact that with guard 5 plus shield mods is even better than lance with guard 5 is definitively stoopid
Zinogre HBG, breaking another MH game.
Lol it's been broken twice before this as well!
Well technically daoras ceti was better if you had a god charm
@@vxdroid32 I think if you had a God charm, you could fit critical eye 3 with Zinogre and not Daora, but I'm not sure. I've never had a god charm.
@@vxdroid32 daora was def best pierce in 4u
@@NeocrimsonX ??? Never heard of that, I thought best pierce HBGs in 4U were Seregios for evade reload, Crimson Fatty for limiter removed and Gravios for siege firing
I became a HBG main back when I was hr29. A lot of my friends were talking smack about how HBG was gonna be useless and get rekt by the monsters in iceborne.....well I say to them.....stoopid
I'm loving the Futurama/MHW memes as of late.
Just tried this. Even with an incomplete build with just the first tier of the zindoggo HBG, it's already ridiculously op.
Once I shut off the damn UA-cam terrible captions this was extremely useful thanks for spending the time and sharing some cool builds
Glutton 2.0 new and improved
Sadly.
@@lolimmune Cheer up! Norm ammo 3 builds can deal 200+ damage per shot with scope
@@whatamidoing6555 it hits like a truck
In my experience its actually been super easy to activate offensive guard with a very similar build. The timing on it is pretty forgiving with how short the attack commitments are.
Just use activate your slinger shot and cancel it, its so much easier tbh.
@@369darkness *what have you done*
@@arypramana6154 people will eventually find out, just accelerated the process ;)
Oh yeah its honestly not difficult to proc off guard, there's a few techniques to proc it that work very consistently.
But these sets focus on comfiness, and off guard is much less comfy than pressing r2 and just stopping when something is about to hit you.
As a HBG main I'm so excited for this :3 I just updated my guard set to have divine blessing 5 so now im at:
Critical Eye +7
Guard +5
Weakness Exploit +3
Critical Boost +3
Free Element/Ammo up +3
Health Boost +3
Spread/Power Shots +2
Divine Blessing +5
Guard Up
Basically my old set but minus the fortify for divine blessing 5. Not that it matters cause you're guarding but the fact that i can have that in there as well its amazing for if get clipped or mess up a reload. Keen to see what you guys have and if you have any more dps orientated guard gun sets :D
What armor do you use 😳
@@SubOrYoureGay
Golden Lunehelm B+
Kirin Jacket a+
Artian Vambraces B+
Golden Lunecoil B+
Garuga Greaves B+
Ironside Charm V
The most 2 important new decorations are the critical boost/vitality jewel and the release/protection jewel. Aside from that it's 2 other crit boost jewels, 2 spread jewels, a shield jewel, 3 Tenderizer Jewels and the experter +2 Jewel. Mantle decorations are up to you but I'll always put slugger 2 in my impact mantle and evade extender in my glider mantle.
Lachie - 004 I use the same build but the arms . I use Kaiser Arms B and have everything u mentioned in my build . Was able to add lvl 2 offensive guard .
Lachie - 004 thanks
@@iemptyyclipz_1299 really? I'll give it a look to see if I can as well :3
Excellent video. I'm happy to see there's such a ronchy set for making the MR grind that much easier!
This gun is stoopid af, but I'm glad that one of the most overpowered weapons in the game belongs to Zinogre. To me, it feels correct.
Thunder wolfo best monster
If only his theme remix was as good as his bowgun
@@carlos-zy7vx I want his 4u theme back
@@IzanagiO same, his world theme has a disturbing lack of electric guitar
I wanted his dual blades to be super beastly ... but kirin owns that without safis existance.
That poverty build is the best thing, if doable it covers all the deco issues I and many other have with every build you put out ! Keep doing it please, whenever possible, really helpful.
Bruh now there’s wait times 😩😩😩. It’s better just seeing the vid drop 😂.
Still need a shield and extra spread jewel.
I know what I'll be using to grind my MR rank to 200 now. 1 big chip damage move would be brute tigrex roar beam, that hits like a truck.
As a Guard 5 Lance main, can confirm there are plenty of attacks that still chip. Always the ones with long wind-ups like Teo Nova or Shara Cannon or whatever. Zinogre himself has a LOT of chip on a few of his attacks, particularly the jump attack that can launch him across zones. Can't wait to pick up Glutton 2.0 so I can play "Lance but better" again lol
I love the clip of you fighting the Diablos I found myself saying the exact same thing halfway through my first hunt with what I could put together of the build. I only died once on a tempered Tobi kadachi because I was going for the tail weekend when he went and uses attack
Please do an extreme Behemoth solo run with this build to verify the legitimacy of your claim that this thing is stupidly OP.
LesEnfants1972 have you tried behe with mr gear ? You basically just walk over him
the only thing dangerous about extremoth nowadays is people missing the timing for ecliptic meteor
Got partied with 3 randoms all using loyal thunder. We got the extremoth down in little over 10+ minutes. Imagine if there are four.
JinJInx and Tuna: This HBG is Stoopid!!!
Zinogre HBG: No you!
The moment I've got zinogre hbg I completely destroyed every monster in guiding lands.And that buff from fortify omg you are pretty much unstoppable.
grislord Unreal Tournament voice: *U N S T O P A B L E*
2 Months Later
Is it still game breakingly overpowered?
Does it have any weakpoints or problems?
Hey guys, I wanted to thank you for all your work...it definitely takes a lot of work from figuring out builds out of my limited gaming time
i wanna cry.. after all these year i still did not get Guard up.
You can actually roll or reload into Offensive Guard. You can even activate Evasion Mantle and Offensive Guard off one attack and you can get Release/Offensive Guard decos (the only reason I started running it). Health Boost 3 is complete overkill when you have an invincible shield.
We could also mix in 2 pieces of Blackveil Vaal set for Peak Perfomance 3 and Super Recovery.. You don't heal super fast but could make up for any potential chip damage while maintaining Peak uptime. They have pretty good slots as well.
Also, those next level mindgames by Black Diablos.. What a well designed fight.
Or you could activate your slinger ammo then cancel it when the monster is about to hit you.
@@369darkness Ohhh that's a good point. It didn't really cost me anything so I've had it equipped for a while, it actually goes off fairly often even when I'm not trying.
Could be worth looking into as a bonus lvl 4 Deco skill. I'm using Super Recovery and Peak Perfomance 3 but I'm one level 2 slot away from having all the best skills.. Blackveil Vaal helm and belt are so close to being optimal. Unless I'm missing something, but I have to sacrifice one level or critical boost or guard up to make my set work..
You really don't even need Guard or Guard Up against some enemies if you have multiple shield mods, but then sometimes I run into something you do need them against and it's very bad. I usually ditch the Critical Boost augment just in case.. I'll take like 4.5% less DPS for Super Recovery. It really sucks when you have to sheathe heavy bow gun..
@@SaltymanGaming yea same, since i had it with a release jewel combination i decided to see how to trigger it just in case and that method seemed to work best for me
after i went with zinogre HBG, i got sooooo lazy I couldnt play GS and LS ever again
The problem is,that it's not worth the hassle to do all this combos and stuff with other weapons,while you can just hide behind this beast and do MORE damage haha.
and if you are a fan of shooters, being able to have a gun build that is actually on par with your best melee builds(if not even better) is pretty godamn fun
Its fun cause im a LS main an this was my first ever mh HBG i ever used. I made it cause i love zin and it looked cool but little did i know i had a anti rathalos machine in my hands
@@renthevillain1885 I think LS is a bit weak in iceborne. I was sad when i made my first LS build and it was only a little bit stronger, than my kjarr LS and there was no health augment. Now im in endgame, but LS feels like shit.
Love the bowgun. Quick farms and easy to carry my friends with lol
These builds and commentary are still valid as of 04/27/21 - There are better HBGs now but they just make this OP build even more OP. The cost of entry is extremely low as everything here can be mindlessly solo'ed. One big note, the honeyhunter buildcard in the video is not showing the WEX+ skill. However, it is being calculated in the the Effective Raw number. I know this is an old video but huge kudos to JinJinx/Tuna for doing what you do!
So in summary:
Stoopid over-tuned lance shield.
I really want a Shotgun Lance now lol
@@bboy458 Wide Gunlance?
@@rickeymoser1114 yea, i wish
Guys what if....just hear me out,if they made a Lance that was also a gun? Call it....Lancegun?
I'll see myself out...
@@codyeveryday5432 What if they gave Wide Gunlance a shotgun effect instead of the uncharged top damage....
I like the fact you put the poverty build too, helped me understand how powerful it really is
HBG main since Glutton.
Ditch it for hammer in Master Rank
Back to HBG since Zinogre
OP life style.
What is glutton? Is it a weapon from previous monster hunter games?
Ironside Charm V doesn't require you to get MR100+ material. It takes 2 research commission tickets +, Tempered Radoban material in Guiding lands, Spirit vein shard, and Phantomcore ore.
I hereby declare this build an honorary charge blade build.
A tip for everyone.
Even tho Offensive Guard is not that easy to activate on HBG you can slot it into mantles to have even more damage. With some practice you will learn how to preventive fire and quick scope to activate it almost every time and is a large damage boost
Use the glider mantle with 2 LV 4 slots for 180 seconds and 120 cooldown and it is basically always up
I personally use rocksteady with 2x tool specialist and glider with 2x offensive guard + anything
You can even drop rocksteady and get a mantle with like 210 seconds cooldown to get almost 100% uptime on the extra skills
For example: elemental mantles have 180 sec duration and 210 second cooldown. Thant means you will have 360 seconds uptime and 30 seconds downtime for offensive guard +2 extra skills of LV 4 slots
This is not accounting for tool specialist in the build because in that case you can realistically reach 100% uptime.
Me: uses a cluster sticky build because explosions. This bowgun: sad zinogre noisee
Thank you so much for the Poverty Build!
"With basically NO learning curve"
Me: challenge accepted.
*proceeds to die during High Rank the Greatest Jagras hunt*
3am, closes monster hunter, sees this video in my suggested, boots monster hunter back up
You know, I don't think that the gun itself is overtuned, it's a problem with how Iceborne was balanced... Every monster has no recovery frames after attacks now, defensive options are easily THE most valuable skill any weapon can offer you (from a comfy perspective, not speedrun). For average joes like myself, I saw no reason to use anything other than Lance, CB and HBG on my way to MR70, anything other weapons could do, it wasn't as safe and as effective as these weapons. If the monster flies or is constantly zooming around (or Barioth which does both) then ONLY the HBG can deal with them as they keep pumping damage at a distance where melee weapons need constant relocation with a Rocksteady to cause damage. Ranged is extremely favored in Iceborne, not just because of the damage, but because the way the monsters and CC was balanced.
The "I'm pretty tired and I want to do relaxing hunts quickly" build. I'm def making one for sure. (Also spread jewel is a myth!)
I have 18 of those. Its the one r8 gem that i have too many of
Agreed
900 hours not a single spread jewel
but i got 3 attack jewels n fucking 8 pierce jewels
I'm convinced that once you pop your first rare jewel it lowers the rng to get more. I got about 20 weakness exploit and earplugs and my pal who has played more than me has zero of either. He has spread jewels and free elements and I gots nada I'm close to a thousand hours in.
update: rajang investigations gave me 2 spread jewels
In my quest to obtain a Marathon Jewel, i ended up getting 2 Shield Jewels, several Critical Jewels, 2 Spread Jewels, 2 Bow Charge Jewels, a Dragonseal Jewel, an Awakening Jewel, and...no Marathon Jewel.
"Unless your going for speedruns weapon balance doesn't really matter just pick the weapon you like the best or have the most fun with"
Hell, before you can even upgrade the Zin HBG all the way it's still ridiculous. Ridiculously fun, cleared almost all the arena optionals with chain wall slams, impact mantle, wall slam, capture, didn't even need the shield but it made it extra comfy.
In fact, the Zin HBG is ridiculous, ridiculous broken.
I really loved the part that have no decorations set
Since i came from pc to ps4 i dont have decorations i wish u add this part always in all builds 😍
Yeah, a poverty version of each builds would be nice, I personaly played World on ps4 so I have a lot of Decos, but I don't really have the time to farm except on weekends, so a easy build to make is really nice to see.
Kind of sucks, but honestly ps4 has it the best and is the way to go, with that save modifier and you can even take your PC save and transfer it to ps4. Xbox don't have anything lmao
Yeah, at least until it release on PC, PS4 is the way to go, kinda suck that our brothers hunters on Xbox don't get some events themed to Gears or Halo, but seeing the absolute disaster the Xbox one was in Japan , I can't really blame Capcom.
Been looking for a hbg to play. thank you
i LOVE this gun so much. ITS stupid good.
Alternate option (If your like me and have no luck with Zinogre's drops), is the Great Jagras HBG it also gets Wyvern Heart, and it's been what I've been using when I use HBG due to lack of Zinogre Deathly Shockers and I don't have a overly good Kulve HBG, not to mention you can Build the Great Jagras one and upgrade it to full, pretty much on starting Master Rank, it might not be as good but it's something.
Could we get an updated build for this? I imagine it changed after safi gear. For instance, I see people going for the 3 piece nargacuga bonus because they can take 1 point of it on the weapon. Is that more optimal than the builds in this vid? Cheers
Thank you guys for the introduction of poverty builds, looking forward to more like it for people who can't play all the time. But sadly by the time that I get the mats required for even the poverty set, this gun will be nerfed because of the unbalance.
Why do premiere for this?:/ Everyone can tell how the build goes already since base World used to have a comfy guard HBG build as well for easy cheese when it first was out... Only now it sacrifices damage skills for Guard 5 and Guard Up and uses Offensive Guard to make up for the damage difference because it's a % boost so it's pretty darn strong!
Making a premiere has nothing to do with the content of the video. Pretty sure they're experimenting with the format to see if it benefits their channel.
@@RiskOfBaer That may be the case, but when someone does premiere it gives you an alert at first since that's when it's considered the video is out, then people stop caring and forget about the video when it's actually out since they don't get notified again.
thank you bro this build is fantastic
It would be cool if instead of dmg nerfs heavy bowgun got a new learning curve like some kind of over heat or jam mechanic (not rng)
@@Ensanguine. yup, making the other ammo more worthwile would be the way to go, its not like its old slicing/clusters, you need to stay close, aim properly and you give up quite a bit of damage to get the safety of the shield.
@@Ensanguine. yes let's take the currently most overpowered weapon and buff it......... what.
I knew it. I never watched new HBG Iceborne builds but I gravitated to the full guard Zinogre spread build. It's good.
me after learning tatsumy HBG build : im some what of a speed runner my self
Really enjoyed this video. Not sure if it's because of the premiere or what but it was just really good🙏
I whipped this set together, threw on Mightning 1 (still missing that Skymerald) and hunted a Zinogre in 11 minutes with no carts and only 2 max pots used, despite never having used HBG before in any MH game.
This thing is pretty busted.
I wanted this gun just because the way it looked i didn’t know it was this powerful thank you for this info
I feel like this is kinda overhyped. Maybe I'm just bad with HBG, but I find it difficult to tenderize wounds consistently because the CC animation for HBG takes like 5 years. I hunt MUCH more efficiently with Switch Axe.
The goal is to NOT inflict wounds, but just shoot with 70% crit rate which is still plenty high enough. The build is a "turn your brain off" setup.
Even without tenderizing monster part, this gun hits like a double trucks
You can offensive guard if you toggle your slinger ammo , draw the weapon or roll the last two are iffy like you said but the singer toggle can be very useful. Hopes this helps someone
I am missing that guard up deco.....damn it
And it's rare as dick too... i don't have it either
Shara's beam attacks can fuck you up pretty good with the insane stamina drain and chip damage you receive when blocking using this build.
But like why would I wait for the premiere when I can just go to the discord and ask tony for advice anyway
You dont know the great speedrunner Tony then
Kek. Is true though. Tony a helpful dude.
Been using this build in the guiding lands for the past 2 days and FYI....
It’s so godly. Teostra Eruption/nuke attack tickles you, and Rajang can’t do ANYTHING to you. It’s absolute invincibility with god Damage.
And of course, Impact Mantle+ with slugger built in just makes any fight a joke.
Rip Tempered Velkhana, nothing chips you at all
Hey can the next build video be on hh? there is almost nothing online and i think the bone hh might be the best horn (if you don't whant to use master touch) but i can't find anyone to confirm it
TDS did a speedrun with one - check out their channel to find out more
@@mekudu-man3804 i sow it but i realy don't like the acidc glav weapons sharpness só i wanted something diferent
@@Henrirocha11 why not use Teos Masters Touch + Weakness exploit with tenderized parts + affinity augments/crit eye? I also know that these builds are boring as hell (all well too similar), but maybe you can come up with something good on your own that fits your playstyle 🤗. Btw. do I main IG, bow and HAMMER! and I consider checking out some SA and DB builds. If you hunt via PS4, consider hitting me up - my ID is tigrexfanboy69 !-)
@@mekudu-man3804 yeah i know this build and im not a big fan at least on hh the tenderizer os too slow and without It i can't crit reliably. And yeah i will send you a request maybe we can Hunt together some time
I know exactly how you feel, acidic glavenus seems like the only competent HH with a few others but I feel like all the good HH have horrible sharpness or if they do have good sharpness the songs mostly sucks...
As much as I like the new attack hitting blue sharpness because I'm not using the 'mandatory' master touch from teostra is just the worst... is either that or max the shit out of Handicraft in every build...
Just so we're clear, there is plenty of room for an intermediate stage between the poverty build and comfy build in case you do have a lot of decos but are missing one or two critically necessary ones like the Shield Jewel.
For instance, if you happen to have two spread jewels, you could drop the Lavasioth grieves for the Yian Garuga grieves B+, switch out the alpha armors for their beta counterparts, and be left with much better deco slottage for things like crit eye, crit boost, Free Element/Ammo Up, vitality, etc.
And that’s why I’m sticking with my greatsword
Don’t want to make this and stop using my baby
My Build with Loyal Thunder is:
Rajang Head B
Kirin Jacket A
Kaiser Vambraces B
Shara Coil B
Yian Garuga B
Ironside Charm V
The skills i have active are:
Critical Eye 7
Guard 5
Health Boost 3
Ammo Up 3
Critical Boost 3
Weakness Exploit 3
Offensive Guard 3
Spread 2
Attack 1
Divine Blessing 1
Heat Guard
Guard Up
Level 4 Jewel Slots i have the Expert +4 and 3 Guardian/Release.
So when are you gonna update this with the safi guns
Ready for loyal thunder 2.0
Not Loyal Thunder 2.0
Glutton 3.0 Safi's Burstcannon 😬😂
I know I've already commented but oh well... Here's a min-maxed DPS set based on this:
Zorah Beta+
Kirin Alpha+
Teo Beta+
Silver Sol Beta+
Garuga Beta+
Guard 5 Charm
For decos go with 3*Critical Jewel 2, 2*Expert Jewel 1, 1*Shield Jewel 2, 2*Spread Jewel 2, 2*Tenderizer Jewel 2, then 1*TrueShot Jewel 4+ (for even more damage on WyvernHeart) and, last but not least, 3*Guardian/Release Jewel 4 (this gives Offensive Guard and Free Element 3, but if you don't have all 3 or don't want OG just use normal Release Jewels for FE/AU).
Now, this set basically is a comfy set if you are careful that is more DPS focused with skills being CE7, WE3, Guard 5, CB3, OG 3 (if you have the jewel for it), Ammo Up 3, Special Ammo Boost 2, Guard Up and then some QoL skills like Heat Guard 1, Divine Blessing 1, Windproof 1 and most importantly Flinch Free 1 so trips from behind by small monsters or in multiplayer don't cause you to drop your guard! This set is basically as damage heavy as you can go before you sacrifice all the comfiness!
Loyal Thunder: "ur mains cant even!!!"
Nice! Can't wait to try this out!
My main “melee” weapon is guns...
So anyways, he's been blasting
I've been using Tatsuffy's build for a few weeks now. It's ridiculous, please don't nerf this and let us be happy, Capcom.
Imo everyone should update it adn drop fortify for divine blessing 5
Finally, a poverty build. I cannot thank you enough for that! Gosh i rly need to farm decos :/
I like the chopin you got going in the backround
Well i guess i just found my guilding lands farming build lmfao
The amount of videos coming out for this weapon is insane I guess my time of being the only person using this weapon in multiplayer is gonna change
Been changed
Pc player here. This is my "go to" build when i hit Grinding land.
is it still as good on pc?
@@cleander3645 Pc is essentially just the console but three months behind, so yes. It is as strong on pc now, as it was then on console. I also don't think they changed anything, but I could be wrong.
@@blujay1294 Pretty sure any nerfs or buffs are already applied on PC
Can't wait to see the video on Stygian Zinogre because all I know is that it's got the same slots and higher raw with Spread 3
Damn, I've been using this build for about a week now. Now its gonna be a meta build ;-;
If no ones mentioned and you haven’t tried yet I used this to farm shara faceplates for all the weapons. the max guard version melts her face off and can block everything bar heavy chip from the beam attack, just dodge out of it with 1 roll. without partbreaker just shooting the face 2nd phase will take 10 to 15 mins to clear guaranteed face drop. I use my IG main to drop the rocks and clear phase 1 in 3mins then farcaster out to grab it.
Hey, don’t get capcom to nerf my gun now. It’s good to use when a monster gets u mad
I'm so bad at this game and after 710 hours I can finally good damage. Thanks guys.
Still waitin for PC release and you cry about waitin for vid-release :(
You guys are like the super rich 1% of the gaming community, capcom ain’t playin games anymore. They should add one day to the release every time someone comments “pC mAsTeR rAcE”
@@Trlll do you are have stupid?
Pc MaStEr RaCe
Loved bow in world. Iceborne makes me want to play long sword or dual blades, this vid makes me want to main HBG. Can't wait for PC release!
Again with the infamous release jewel... rip
That bit about offensive guard reminds me of old school evade Lance's, tactically looking away from a monster to avoid damage and hit back big.
Me: looks at the required gems
Also me: Can i do ANY meta build without tons of gems really?
It's only a goal to strive towards. Just use what you have until you get them. If you had every gem, you would have no reason to play.
Tomek L What are you missing? Aside from the spread and that one crit/health boost deco none of those are especially rare
@@NeoPhyro And hope for the deco events.
There's always the poverty build. Just slot in what you can.
@@zangatsubankai all my builds are poverty builds.
So I made the first build mentioned and I freaking love it, it's stupid holy crap, like I've almost never used a heavy bowgun but the few times I have it sucked. But I ran a master rank anjanath and it was cake, like it took about 10 minutes.. and I dont think I got hit once.. this is crazy
I think people are overreacting simply because it's a ranged weapon that requires no 'effort'. I think we've been here before with slicing.
In truth, this isn't remotely the fastest way to kill something. Is it comfy? Hell yeah, but it's no more comfy than those divine blessing builds stacked with fortify. Also, it gets countered as hard as lance with all the trash bullshit that was added to iceborne via aoe tick damage. Go ahead and try this setup against Jho or lunastra.
Imo the guard thing is fine, but they should definitely take away the scope ability on spread.. that shit is dumb af
Good thing Jho and Lunatra gear are absolute trash and not meta at all except for Jho LBG for RPS2, which is only for Shara Tenderplate farming :^)
A alternative to the fulger helm is the rajang helm 1 lv4 slot and a lvl 1 slot but the helm comes with 2 lvls of weak exploit on it so it's basically a free lvl1 slot good hunting!
That moment when your favorite hbg is the best one for dps 😊
That moment when your favorite weapon is the boring overpowered one
@@lolimmune i mean its better than it being hot grabage
You don't actually need MR 100+ to build Guard 5 Charm. You can do the "We Run this Town" quest at MR 24 (do all 1-5 optionals) or get taxied to the quest.
Well, guess I have something to build today. I’ve been exclusively melee since MHW. Until now...
So happy I came across this. I've been using this gun for The Greatest Jagrus quest. Going to to try this with monsters now hahahaha