This is a great practical demonstration of why there needs to be a massive, vicious effort to archive and preserve games; if you need to buy hardware, that isn't being sold officially, in order to play a game, that isn't being sold officially, and the only official alternative either has no compatibilty with said game, or has a hard requirement to use internet connected services, you haven't made that game accessible, you've just given it a second time limit until it returns to being unplayable at best, and did nothing whilst wasting resources at worst.
@@kryzethx We can thank Valve Steam Deck for bringing emulation to the forefront in the 2020s using Linux. *Not a gamer here, and do not own a Steam Deck, but have seen videos of folks using the console/PC hybrid for emulating classic 1980s games up through the Switch.
@@siegfried_be7553well, the best way to combat piracy is to make a better service than the pirates can offer. Too bad they’re not interested in that. Yo Ho, motherfuckers.
Backwards compatibility all boils down to licensing since alot of companies dont want you to play your 20 year old disc, they want you to buy the "improved" version on the digital storefront for $40. The fact that Halo didnt work and the bluray app didnt install is truly bizarre though.
It's so weird to me that having an old game you're not selling anymore work on current hardware needs you to _update the licensing._ Like, you're not even making money off it anymore, but no, you gotta pay Ferrari for the privilege of your clients seeing their cars on screen.
the australian library for original xbox backwards compatibly games is alot more limited than most since other companies that dont exist anymore held the licenses for distribution here
halo didn't work because mcc exists and they'd rather have you play that than bother to set it up again, and im pretty sure the blu-ray player would've installed if he just closed whatever game was running
Fun fact: the xbox is actually not backwards compatible with _any- of the games at all whatsoever. What it _can_ do is check your disk if it's genuine, and download an emulator and an ISO of the game already in the drive to play it for you. It would be possible to download an emulator, make an ISO from the disc in the drive right at that moment in time and be basically backwards compatible with all xbox games, but no, they cannot let you play your own old games if it's downloaded or emulated, because that would be _piracy_ according to their lawyers, or the wouldn't be able to play stupid at court and _tell the judge it is_ so there.
And the most pathetic part of the whole "can't play" part is, the hardware architecture is straight up compatible. The original Xbox is a freaking Pentium 3 PC. x86 and all, running some embed version of Windows. The damn name comes from Direct X. Guess what architecture the AMD APU inside that thing is?
@@Kalvinjj Sure Microsoft has the tools and has no excuse for the piss poor support on the Series, but its actually a bit more complicated than you think. The architecture isn't completely akin to that of a PC, and has a lot of off the shelf components. Even today Xbox emulation still has poor compatibility compared to other consoles of that generation, which I find pretty weird.
The funny thing is for less than the price of a Series X you could have bought a modded Original Xbox with fixed capacitors that could run games off disc, store nearly the whole library in its storage and had HDMI output to play it on modern TVs.
As much as I love the PC gaming experience, original Xbox emulation still isn't 100% there yet. Progress has been slow, largely because most (but NOT all) of the Xbox's big games later got PC ports, or were multiplatform on easier to emulate consoles, but a lot of really good games got left in the dust, too, like Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge (Not the same game as the PC Crimson Skies), Unreal Championship 2 (A very interesting take on the UT formula, and while there is an "unofficial" leaked prototype that got ported it's an unfinished version with no sound), heck, Metal Wolf Chaos was only rescued from a Japan-only OG Xbox release by Devolver just a few years ago.
it helps to learn how to fix electronics. its definitely a futureproof skill, considering how hostile tech companies are becoming. learn how to solder and change your own capacitors.
I would love to be able to play OutRun 2 on my One S or even Burnout 2. But as you say it, its all down to licenses, Konami would never renew song licenses to let us play both the DDR Ultramix and DDR Universe series. OutRun 2? The Ferrari license, Burnout 2? Does EA even owns the IP for the first two games in the Burnout series at all? That's why i kept my 360 and why i want a cheap OG Xbox so i can play games that aren't backward compatible on either Series, One or 360 consoles.
I'm a firm believer that if a company stop supporting a piece of software it should be mandatory to make it open source. You don't want to give us a way to legally play a game ? fine. Let a team of fan build an emulator from the source code. (This would actually be a massive deal in the industrial world where abandonware is so common you frequently see WIndows95 machines operating equipment worth millions of bucks, and if they fail the whole factory basically shuts down...)
YES. Oh god, all those old grey 2004 Dell laptops (D500, D600, D610 etc) that are still ubiquitous in mechanics garages, because they're the only way to run some really essential diagnostic package that's very popular and all the garages bought it. They all bought it and it was the last iteration before it became a Software-as-a-Service thing? So mechanics desperately hoard and repair these old 2004 laptops because you need Windows XP and a native Serial port for this diagnostics thing to work.
Yep. A shockingly large portion of the British Rail signalling systems is still based on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000. There is still tech (Radio Electronic Token Block) that was originally built on the Commodore 64 (I think, the hardware looks right).
Win 95 is the last OS that has proper native support for things like serial ports and PCI (not PCI-E or PCI-X, plain PCI) which are used to control machines like industrial robots. That's why it's still so common in manufacturing.
How would you even enforce such a law though? Companies could just say "oh yeah this guy is definitely still maintaining this software no one has touched in 20 years". Don't get me wrong this would be awesome, it's just incredibly unrealistic and full of loopholes.
Fun fact; from a USB device perspective, there is no distinction between the Black-and-White buttons on old Xbox controllers and the L and R shoulder buttons on newer ones. ALSO! If you're into mech games like BEA and Phantom Crash... well... you GOTTA check out Armored Core 6.
I had a 3rd party Xbox controller that had the black and white buttons where the bumpers now reside on modern xbox controllers. When going from the Xbox to Xbox 360, that's literally all Microsoft did was just put the buttons in a different place and rename them. Hence why Black and white are mapped to the bumpers when playing backwards compatible titles in he first place.
The big problem is the big “controversy” around emulation. Microsoft wants the marketing but not the “legal repercussions”, plus they do actually have to put in the work to not only have it play but also to make sure it’s enhanced and plays well. Original publishers don’t want it and in true Microsoft fashion, they just gave up
@@ChaseMC215 yes but they have The Masterchief collection which they’ll prefer you buy. I’m sure there are some internal politics at play as well, knowing Microsoft. Any racing games though, likely out of the hands of publishers anyways
There aren’t “legal repercussions” if you have BOUGHT THE GAME. It’s in copyright law that you are allowed to carry copyrighted material to ANY medium for personal use. “But they gon use for steal my money” doesn’t fit if it’s actively keeping people from using material they purchased, ESPECIALLY if there is no other means to play the titles “legally”(that the manufacturer provides). There is no “grey area” around Emulators. If there was, consoles would NEVER have been backwards compatible to begin with. Always think about the fact it’s Microsoft and Sony telling us it’s a licensing issue, NOT THE DEVELOPERS.
@@ChronoTango That’s why I put them in quotations. Big publishers will make a big Hoo haa about what rights the end user has when it comes to what they do to a legally copy of the game. It doesn’t matter what copyright law says anyways because it needs to be argued in court, which I’m guessing is not something Microsoft wants Xbox to be tied into and dragging the rest of Microsoft along with it. And the bigger the company, the more cautious they are about even the slightest possibility of a suit. I’ve worked with Big Banks that are even afraid to include UA-cam links into their training packages in case people do not agree with their videos being part of a training package and pay me thousands of dollars to make produce a video explaining the exact same thing (not copying the video but just the same content) avoid any chance of them having to get a lawyer involved
It's emulation, but the 360 was also emulation. Disc size is the full game size cause they use the disc as a license to download a copy of the game. Not fully sure why they do that though
@@DJ_MoosterPretty sure the reason why is that: 1) Microsoft is doing emulation on a per game level to avoid weird game specific issues that crop up, and that takes time 2) Licensing can get in the way of that. Some studios and publishers might not want old games played on modern systems because it threatens new releases in their minds, or they just don't exist anymore and there's no way to acquire the license
Fun fact. The 360 still allows you to play a game without having to download it to play. They actually use a thing called a laser lens to read the discs and make them playable. Plus the newer 360’s had HDMI’s, which is nice
Xbox One & Series X do this too, but only if there's zero internet connection. I played Halo 5 from the disc (so it had no updates) when I moved into a new apartment that had no internet.
The modern consoles download the game off the disk to put less stress on the disk drive. It's more efficient to pull data from a HDD or SSD than an optical drive
Unless you've got one that's still on Blades or (Like me) NXE... You have to update it to download the backwards compatibility suite and that's not happening. D=
this is why I still have a 360. The amount of backwards compatible games is larger than what the Series X will have and if I wanna play games that were on the One/Series X, I got a laptop. Also this video got me to get Project Gotham from a pawn shop and man is it a treat.
Stop it. Do some history on Sony to see where Microsoft learned it from. Sony had a console presence decades before Microsoft did. Look up Super NES CD and get ready to see a national crime in action. You'll get a kick outta that for sure. I'm not console centric. I have both and played almost everything they both have. I just love gaming, let's be real here Sony kinda started this crap. Microsoft finished it. Don't get me wrong Microsoft has their own shitty ship to run, but at least their transparent with about 70 to 80% of the crap they do.
@@ItachiUchiha-jv3rf Shut Up. dont lie about amazing Japanese Sony like that bruh what the hell is wrong with you. americans of microsoft & xbox start all this devious stuff & they the ones who finished it whch they dont know WTF they are doing with their western trash...you just mad that sony & nintendo are the best there is with the greatest tech innovations console, gameplay & Japanese games. get your facts right bruh
Watched this with a few friends who didn't know the compatibility list. I know the list. None of the great games you had out are compatible which sucks besides Battlefront II. Music licensing and games rights are a nightmare, and Microsoft actually handcrafted bespoke emulators for these games instead of just going "here's a list and half the games are broken" on the Xbox 360.
@@mrbones2235in this case it’s really not Microsoft. They said they tried as hard as they could, and at this point it’s the rights holders being hard about it
Reminder that Series X/S doesn't have true backwards compatibility. The games have to be available on Microsoft Store and having the disc allows you to download the games for free. It's more like a free download program.
@@HeySuperOkay yes they're you complete and utter bumbling baffoon. Why do you think there are so many retro game shops that are always packed people want to play these older systems and while yes it may not be the mainstream it's still a considerable amount of people especially as those who grew up with the 360 and PS3 get older they want to play those games again and the cycle continues with every generation of anything be it cars, video games, headphones and any other tech for that matter. My rule of thumb is that it takes 2 generations of anything for something to be worth alot of money. Take Ford RS Focus's for example back say even to early 2020 they were still only worth about £10,000 in the UK or €15,000- €20,000 in Ireland and now they're worth about £40,000 or €50,000. They're old enough now that the people who were young and couldn't afford it new, now have enough money to buy it and they'll pay pretty much any cost and there's other factors too like how it was shown on Top Gear and looked amazing that added to its popularity in which it was very high in the first place.
@@HeySuperOkay I mean, the back-compat project probably cost Microsoft hundreds of millions of dollars, but it supports thousands of games, some of which will sell millions, and it makes Xbox look good.
@@HeySuperOkay “Old games aren’t exactly selling like hot cakes” you’re literally wrong, and also this is such a dumb vague way to word this. I think maybe you just don’t know what you’re talking about
What's crazy is they could create actual emulators for physical disc use only. There's nothing legally stopping them. But they won't, because they are trying to drive people to actually purchase the games again through their digital storefront.
Hardware based emulation would drive up the cost of Series X systems. Software based (like what they're currently using) requires them to license/test every game they run through it, which isn't always possible with physical media.
@@onhold1706because hardware emulating a Pentium III and 64 mB of RAM is going to break Microsoft’s back financially 🤣 clearly just something they threw in because the marketing committee made them, not because the engineering team actually care about their product.
@@HH60gPaveHawkactually video game consoles are made on a very tight budget, the OG Xbox was a tough sell for investors due to the fact that consoles are only profitable after a while, so putting extra hardware for maybe a few sales was not worth it to them.
The funniest thing about the “Sorry, this game isn’t playable here” message is that the XBox is actually reading it as an XBox disc and it reads it as a compatible disc format and Xbox is manually locking it. Thanks MichaelSoft :)
Series X can read Xbox discs, but there is no native hardware anywhere in the console. Pretty much what it does is it checks to see if its an xbox disc, and if it is, it checks to see if there has been a version of that game ported to modern consoles for you to download.
@@eric_t123nuh, XBox most likely changed architecture for their CPUs. The game code is compiled for a specific CPU architecture. Not to say the resolutions are probably different, and scaling. Also the GPUs, and maybe even the kernels.
The games aren’t even ran from the disc. It’s a download from Microsoft servers, and it’s basically emulation of whatever console you’re playing. Kinda bs to me, but whatever. Which means there’s no reason why they can’t run on modern consoles.
My grandmother still plays Oblivion on her PC. She has a modern graphics card, a modern CPU, all the bells and whistles. And she could still play Oblivion. I honestly believe that's why a lot of the older generations still plays on PC. You can play the original Half-Life which came out before I was making core memories
@@primemeow The one that you can download from steam right now runs on it more optimized version of the engine. Basically it runs under the newer engine with the emulation layer that runs it better than it ran before. I'm talking about like the original disc version you can still play that on PCs All you got to do is put the disk in.
Why on earth is this important? I can also plug in a PS2, and play PS2 games. I'm not some freak who expects a 5 dollar game I bought in a bargain bin 20 years ago to still work on hardware I bought yesterday. Why would I? What would be the point of buying new hardware just to play old games?
@@peedrillbecause keeping a bunch of old discs and using them in the hardware you currently have plugged in for modern gaming is easier than keeping every console you have ever owned in a closet and pulling them out and finding the power cable and plugging in the composite cables (if your tv or av receiver even have composite inputs, which is not a given on any thing even slightly modern) whenever you get the desire to revisit a game you bought 20 years ago. Discs take up a negligible amount of space and you can put them in a binder that you can keep anywhere and you don’t have to worry about breaking because disc binders are padded and secure. consoles are big and boxy and fragile. My PS5 can play DVDs and CDs. If PS2s can play dvds There’s no reason the PS5 can’t read a PS2 game.
Late 90s - 05ish gaming was the best imo, when it was still fun not just a sneakily psychologically addictive way of brainwashing kids into thinking microtransactions and digital currency u pay real cash for are acceptable!
I've been pretty depressed with the current state of the hobby, whether it's the greedy corporate practices, the talent leaving in droves, or the many beloved series getting melted down for bland "wider appeal". I still have all my old games, and tons of stuff to pirate, but it still feels bad being outnumbered by the people who are incapable of seeing anything wrong with what the industry's been doing, cheering for remakes and sequels that gut the appeal of your favorites, because they all never understood it to begin with.
There have actually been some convincing studies done showing games don't really relive stress, they just help you ignore it. Which is important to know as a gamer myself.
@@petergriscom3431 I completely understand. That’s why I stick to games that I know are good- older games if you will. All I’ll say (to stop myself from rambling) GTA 6 is under a ton of pressure now. I genuinely hope they don’t mess up.
That Genki logo in the box made me remember Tokyo Xtreme Racer 3 for PS2. A street racer game in Japan with a automotive mechanic level of customization for the cars and horsepower vs torque curves. That thing was crazy cool
@@HypeWrecks same here. Finished the last ending last week in a single sitting, 8 hours, was totaly worth it. 9/10, literally perfection besides the random difficulty spikes.
@@popkornhd1428 My only gripe with the game is just that the mundane missions are so mundane. No buildup, just killing trash mobs. The boss fights more than make up for it though. Some of the set pieces are just insane, some of the best presentation in games ever. No one is touching From artistically right now.
@@HypeWrecks the tension some scenes build up is fucking crazy. Without spoiling anyone, 3rd chapter final boss, the buildup and the emersion you get is stupid insane. Probably my most favorite moment of the entire game.
@@karazami6594admiring the little things doesn’t make your life sad. I’m thankful for my family, my home, and I’m also thankful for the new dankpods video!
microsoft is one of the biggest companies in the world, i'm really not convinced by this whole licencing bullshit. they're baso saying they're too tight
@@elsviec well, at least they tried. It's still a business and they were not obliged to add back combat to their consoles. I see PS having almost no back combat at all and no one is complaining.
I compared the list of compatible games to the list of games made for the first two Xbox consoles. The original Xbox had 998 games on it, and only 58 of them are compatible. That is less than 6% compatibility. The Xbox 360 had 2154 games, and 657 of them are compatible. That is just under 31% compatibility.
They definitely need to improve in backwards compatibility, it’d just be great for gaming overall if they did and if they added some of them to game pass where possible. Personally I love my series x and it’s got all the old games from my childhood (i’m only 22) but I love trying out older games and I’m sure seeing some more xbox 360 games on game pass n stuff would give me some flashbacks to looking at the preowned games sections back in the day lol
Dude I had an experience just like this. I bought a series x when it came out like 4 years ago with my hard earned part time job money as a 15 year old. One of the reasons I did it was to play through some of my dad’s old Xbox games, just out of curiosity. I could be wrong, but I specifically remember them advertising backwards compatibility and being able to play through old Xbox games and parading how great of a feature it was. Of course, I sat there feeding in each game only to get that bullshit “Whoopsy!! Sorry!!” message. I even saved Halo 1 and 2 for last expecting it to play if nothing else did (just like you!), but neither worked. Extremely disappointing.
The Xbox 360 has backwards compatibility for a lot of the games. I'm not sure how the Xbox One works with it, though. Maybe it's similar to the 360 plus has compatibility with a bunch of Xbox 360 games. But yeah, I totally get you. Once I have kids, I think it'll most likely be emulation through PC
I mean they really talked about how it was only a small list that would get bigger with some time, i think that at the end we got around 60 classic xbox games and 600 360 games, i would have love more classic xbox games 😪
@@Poodleinacan The 360 had backwards compatibility because it actually just worked. Series X "backwards compatibility" is a bunch of made up bullshit because it doesn't actually read the game off the disc, it runs an emulator after checking the disc and license is valid. That's why Wade had to download 4GB to play Battlefront 2. Also don't know how XB1 works, though, I've never thought to try it.
@@Dr.SpatulaMicrosoft was definitely a lot louder about the backwards compatibility part than the very limited game list part to the point where I find it misleading.
Seeing Genki on that box is just such a vibe. They made SUCH soulful games that were just good enough to keep you playing but so bad that you REALLY wished you were playing somthing better
Shame they screwed up Daytona on the Dreamcast as that game handles like garbage, it's way too twitchy and even when altering the sensitivity in the options it still doesn't feel like the OG Daytona to me. Also don't go "but the game plays great on a steering wheel", I haven't got room for that stuff and even if I did why should I have to go out of my way to buy a whole peripheral to make a game play better.
The irony is that JSRF is one of the few success stories from the (very long-suffering, very downtrodden, very small) XBC emulation scene. Someone actually got JSRF pretty much running in its entirety in an emulation engine, albeit with some audio issues. And as much as I hated it, it IS one of the platform's undisputed success stories and culture classics. That it isn't on the compatible list is pretty embarrassing.
@@hey_its_mika I get that Xbox probably can't rerelease these older games, but since they made emulation possible on the xbox, they could have at the very least made a basic emulator available for older games and let the community determine which ones work.
@@leonro That's the thing. This isn't "emulation" in the typical sense. That's why the "patch" is 4GB for an Xbox game of approximately the same size. What you're downloading is a modified version of the original that can run on the new hardware. That modification requires ... well, not sure what precisely, it's all secret sauce AFAIK, but I'm sure someone's done a tech interview or blog or Twitter post about it. It's either access to the original sources to recompile a native executable, or, more than likely, a wrapper around the original with in-place patching of API calls. Distributing the modified work requires legal right to do so. That's what makes this method so difficult. The technical barriers are not trivial, but not fatal. It's the intellectual property challenges that prevent near-100% compatibility. IMO, it's the wrong way to do it, because you will never secure the rights for everything that happened more than 30 minutes ago. Half those titles are owned by dev shops that don't exist anymore, or have traded hands so many times nobody knows who owns them. (You'll find out if you dare try to distribute any derivative works, though. They wouldn't bother answering your phone call for permission, but would sue your pants off within a lunch break.) On the bright side, it does allow for nice things like grafted-in HD assets, widescreen support, bug fixes, uncapped framerates, QOL improvements... but also all the mixed-bag revisionist history stuff, too. Preservation HAS to be done in the shadows. It's the only way you'll ever get everything, because nobody cares about tracking down royalties for pirated software. Either that, or a real emulation of the OG hardware, that will run literally anything that would've run on the original -- from a genuine disc or a torrent.
@@leonro Actually, that's the core issue. Every game in the back compat list with a few exceptions are available for purchase in the xbox store. They had to get proper licenses to distribute each game.
@@nickwallette6201 It's just an emulator and a perfect rip of the game. Honestly it's pretty handy because if you have a scratched copy it'll still work.
Y’know, it’s kinda sad I knew that Halo 1 wasn’t gonna work cause they'd rather have you buy The Master Chief Collection even if you already own the original releases. Says a lot about the current state of gaming.
To be fair about the games being digital downloads with the disk is now all of the back compat games are available for purchase on the digital store without having to own a sometimes hard to acquire physical copy.
PC is awesome I just wish you didn't have to pay a thousand plus more dollars for graphics and performance that's only a lil bump from consoles It almost makes it not worth it ...PC also comes with a headache full of tweak settings you gotta do to make it hopefully work right
@@megilacuttyjones735 yeah, theres a reason people choose consoles, its less fussier. PCs do have a learning curve, but atleast you can buy them prebuilt, provided you can find a prebuilt that's not dogshit lmao
@@kgek0them killing it on retail is perfectly fine tho you’re officially using their console to pirate games, at least use the curtain they gave you to cover yourself up
It’s honestly weird seeing Sega GT 2002 being on its own disc as the way I played it was via the JSRF/SGT2002 combo disk. Still got memories of glitching the career mode and getting the Ford GT90 much earlier than I should have gotten it, making the entire campaign a cakewalk.
Fun fact: The OG XBox was modelled after the Dreamcast HARD. From the 4 controller ports on the front exactly like the DC, to the twin memory card slots on the controller. And where the "Jewel" is was originally going to be an updated version of the Dreamcast VMU, with a colour LCD screen, But they ended up running into problems getting portable battery life and reliability, and after the disaster that the original VMU was they decided to drop it, but pretty late into the design process.
@@goomba-64 The first popular console, yes. I thought the first console with 4 controller ports was the Atari 5200, but it was the Bally Astrocade which released a few years prior.
Phantom Crash made me retroactively go out and get an original Xbox just to play it. Absolutely do not regret. Game is amazing. Also, Phantom Crash had a sequel called S.L.A.I. (Steel Lancer Arena International) exclusive to PS2. Also amazing game, recommend.
Always grateful for the wide variety of emulators and fpga choices like mister that exist. Big companies will hardly put any effort into preserving old games but fans will thankfully always pick up the slack and actually do the job right.
@@MrREAPERsz I was honestly fairly surprised by PGR and Tony Hawk as well; Jet Set Radio, was mildly surprised but don't know enough about it to know just exactly how much of a cult classic it is But Halo CE not being supported is absolutely crazy
@@acynicalasian JSRF is not only a cult classic, but it's also one of emulation's biggest successes, and given that all the Xbox does is basically emulate old games, it should be an absolute slam dunk.
I think the main reason a bunch of older games aren't R/C is because of licensing issues With how it works they need to be able to list the game back up on the storefront, which is really stupid because a lot of companies either, no longer exist or the ones that do exist can't be assed to pay the fees to get the older games back up
That and if I remember right, the game files are digitally sent to the console, which can't happen unless there's a license between the publisher and Microsoft. I thought I read it doesn't read info from the disc due to some modification that's done.
yeah, the xbox can't natively emulate old games, they have to republish them with an added compatibility package, and legally they can't do that without the OK from the rights holder, moreso even to distribute it
@@Maho. If they release a general emulator and take game files directly from the disks there shouldn't be an issue right? You don't need the OK from the rights holder if you're not distributing game files. Sure, compatibility won't be as good as with custom packages, but at least you'll be able to actually try and play the games. Something like CxBx reloaded would at least let you play JSR Future.
Fun fact: the OG Xbox is just a computer (more so than Blue and Green's consoles now) so the memory cards and controller are just USB in a different shape. Some of them even had an aftermarket CPU inside so a modded Xbox could play DVDs at full speed, with a swich to underclock it for gaming.
Yep! It's actually trivial to modify the safety-release dongle on old Xbox controllers with a normal USB end - and they work on PCs like any x-input USB controller. :D
@@DeletedContent Xboxes have always ran modified versions of Windows, as they wanted to push for cross development between Windows and their console. Reason I said that the OG Xbox is more a PC than now is because the whole architecture wasn't really that crazy, mostly just off the shelf parts really. Now it's a semi custom SOC with no touchy written all over it. Pointing out that it uses x86 and saying it's a PC is like saying an NES is a Commodore 64, Apple ][, or Atari 2600 because they use the same cpu.
Seeing Battle Engine Aquilla, and seeing other people who know about it always makes me happy. One of my first properly enjoyed gaming experiences. Even if that one level when you are like, on the volcano with the giant spider mech you have to blast inside of.. felt really difficult back then (Recently played through the whole game again. Kid me was dumb)
I would have imagined you'd be more into the idea of getting an original Xbox with updated (and more reliable) capacitors than a new system. Backward compatibility for the OG Xbox has been notoriously hit and miss. Even PC emulation for it can be pretty spotty at times. The most reliable way to play a lot of it is going to be getting an original one that has been modified a bit to change out the old capacitors. As a plus side, when doing that modification it's also pretty easy to do things like replacing the original hard drive with higher capacity storage, or allowing you to install your discs to the HDD.
There is also a hardware mod that you can do to upgrade to HDMI. I believe it only outputs to 720p, but that's still better than the native res which is 480i I think. Plus it lets you just directly plumb it into a modern TV with no adapters or switches.
2:25 that's because modern consoles (and the first Xbox, but in this case it doesn't really help) use a modified x86 architecture, which makes them quite similar to each other and to PCs 13:28 As it's written there, only the first variants (CECHA and CECHB) had a PS2 CPU, and not many of them were made. The later ones used emulation for compatibility.
You're missing out that the CECHC and CECHE (basically the same model but different letter for different regions) models had the PS2 GS chip so it's hybrid emulation, part software part hardware. These still had reasonable backwards compatibility just not as high a percentage, and for me the dealbreaker is CECHA/B PS3s will play _OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast_ while CECHC/E it crashes as soon as any 3D graphics are shown. PS2 homebrew will work on the original CECHA/B units, that's how feature complete they are in terms of PS2 hardware, so you can actually use OPL to network stream PS2 ISOs and the GSM feature to upscale all the games to 1080i which produces a much cleaner, sharper image than the PS3's built-in native scaling to 1080i/p.
One thing I think absolutely sucks with modern console playing is that the CDs are useless now. The game isn't on there anymore, it just has a download link. But despite you having to download the entire game anyways, you still need to put the CD in to play the game! Invest more in disc tech so they won't be useless with the massive game sizes. Or do take the Nintendo route and use cartridges
Thankfully the vast majority of disc games are actually on the disc. Only a couple are just a key for download. The games on bigger consoles still install copied from the disc though, because a disk just can't be read fast enough for big games anymore. The switch still plays games natively off a cartridge. But rest assured nearly every game on disc is actually on the disc, so they aren't useless.
This isnt true for 99 percent of switch and ps4/5 games. This is an XBOX ONLY issue, they decided even with there big first party games, not to put the entire thing on disc. Sony's games come full on disc, most third party ps5 games, come full on disc, 99 percent of ps4 games are full on disc (same goes for switch carts). This also goes for the PS3, 99 percent, full on disc. You want to be mad at someone, be mad at Xbox, they are lazy, and they only care about selling you gamepass and their fart cloud.
Not all disc based games are like that, thankfully. I remember seeing a post Insomniac made when Spider-Man 2 was close to releasing that the entire game was on the disc even though it was barely short of a 100 GB install. 4K Blu-Rays on the bigger end of the spectrum reach that size and for good measure I took my PS5 offline and let the game install entirely. Didn't get prompted to connect to the internet for additional downloads and the game ran without issue as well. Games made by people who let file sizes balloon into the 100+ GB territory, yeah I can see them forcing a download to cut the cost of pressing a second disc (which sucks if you want to back up your own copies of the game in the future since you can't just rip the disc contents on a modified system or PC with the appropriate drive) but even with 50-90 GB size games a full on-disc game is still possible in this day and age. Though special shout out to Activision for going through the effort of pressing physical copies of MW2 2022 and only having 70 MB of data on what is safely assumed to be a 50-100 GB disc. Why even make the effort to make physical copies at all at that point?
I loved this video replicating all my frustrations with the Series X, but the real pearl of it happened after Frank received her new Xbox, a PlayStation mid-roll ad appeared. Well played UA-cam, well played.
Same here by the way, the original Xbox is my baby. I grew up with one as a youngster and had so many great experiences with it. GameCube was fun and the PS2 may have outsold both Nintendo and Microsoft’s outings by a hundred miles… but you can’t deny that the OG Xbox had some charm to it.
Exactly, but remember Xbox was never made for kids at all. That's why they make the trash-talking accessory for the OG Xbox. But, Coppa ruined it and so did parents. Like, I honestly want to play the og Xbox games on an emulator because my og xbox the eject and power buttons don't work right and mine has the bad Thompson drive.
So apparently we are brothers dank. I also use to play system of a down and v8 supers cars 2 on my xbox. I still have the xbox and game with the music saved on it from 20 years ago. Love ya channel mate
Having 100%ed Bomb Rush Cyberfunk (the Jet Set Radio successor), I'm real upset that we never got more of it in the time between then and now. Legitimately solid stuff.
Yeah, the compatibility with the original Xbox is very limited, and the back compat doesn’t work from hardware, you have to download the game and you use the disc as a license to open the game.
Ew, was wondering if that was the case. Series X will be a useless paperweight in 5 years then. Feels like laziness to me. but maybe it's some kind of licensing issues.
@@VonGeggry it’s better for the 360 honestly, all the heavy hitters of that console are backwards compatible and it works pretty well. I just think it’s a shame they stopped adding back compat games som years ago, they shouldn’t’ve stopped until all games from both consoles (minus the weird licensing issue ones) are backwards compatible
@@Clay3613 The saddest thing is, last I checked, it was essentially the same on PC. Blu-Ray drives ship with a really crappy and slow media player software capable of decoding the Blu-Ray, which VLC and MPC-HC both couldn't do.
@@Clay3613What's your problem with that? You know how Microsoft avoided paying a licence fee for the DVD playback for every original Xbox? They disabled it and sold the DVD Kit with a IR Remote and Remote Dongle for the controller port that also "unlocks" the DVD player and the same with Xbox One and Series, you have to install that Player App once and it's done. Nonetheless most game consoles are rather poor DVD/BD Players, they have a high power consumption, probably fan noise and also the drive can be also noisy, I initially used my One X (PS5 and Series X aren't much quieter) for UHD Discs but then bought a UBP-X800M2 instead and its drive is almost whisper-quiet.
JSRF was totally a classic! If someone’s interested in playing something similar, a studio randomly recreated it, it’s called bomb rush cyberfunk, pretty short game but it totally catches the vibe of JSRF!
I feel like Microsofts first attempt at archiving the og xboxes library through emulation on the 360 is really important to recognize, as I feel like a modded 360 especially is a valid way to properly preserve many original xbox games on more modern hardware without the need of an internet connection or game installs.
Yeah, a hacked 360 can play all of 360 and a good amount of original Xbox all for free. It’s basically the best way to play most of those games that never left the Xbox and 360, especially XBLA games. Whereas with Xbox One essentially all good games are also available on PS4 or PC.
5:05 Dank I know you've probably heard of it before but if you're really interested in mech games you should give Armored Core 6 a try. They're from the same developers as Dark Souls (tho the original AC game predates that series by many years) and, in much the same vein as that game and its sequels, Armored Core has relatively loose connections between games so it can pretty much be played as a standalone. It has all the great hallmarks of mech stories! Customizations! Cool fights! Ponderings on the value of life in an ever-dissolving dystopian society! The effects of constant war on morality and the human psyche! Giant robots blowing each other up! And much much more!
They didn’t make the Halo games compatible because the Master Chief collection for the Xbox One has them and that collection is backwards compatible on Series X. I know this because I have it and that’s how I play the OG Halo’s on the Series X
@@jigzyonlineif u have game pass, u don't have to pay a dime for the collection since its there pretty much 24/7. At the same time, if u want the OG experience, play the OG game then. Easy as that
@@amaterasumaster8781I am not paying Microsoft monthly to play games. Anyone who does is a fkn idiot. "Dont have to pay a dime" you are literally paying per month. People really be brainwashed.
Dude, the smile on my face when Blood Wake showed up on the screen. That game was one of my absolute most favourite games on the og xbox and I've missed it for years
I doesn’t need backwards compatibility when it has a huge ps4 library that has better titles than the Xbox one did, the exclusives make the console and Xbox has shitty ones
@@jamesherman3750 The Xbox Series consoles are backwards compatible with every Xbox One title? Silly comment when we're talking about PS2/Xbox and PS3/Xbox 360 backwards compatibility.
I think the reason why Xbox Classic has less backward compatibility is due to licensing, legal and technical constraints According to a recent announcement by Xbox, they have reached the limit of their ability to bring new games to the catalog from the past due to these constraints It is also worth noting that backwards compatibility is not always reliable, and often the ones that do may encounter audio drops, stutters, or other oddities not present on original hardware
So how does that stop them from putting a tiny chip that is a replica of first party hardware from 20 years ago whose only purpose is to run the old discs for first party games. You can't seriously think they ran into licensing issues with Halo CE and Halo 2? And technical constraints is a joke, we are talking about making it so a more advanced box can pretend it's a box from 20+ years ago. I mean there are readily available software packages that allow you to run Switch games on a Xbox Series X built in some programmers basement. You can't expect me to believe that a multi-billion dollar company genuinely doesn't think they can figure it out... Jesus, even the Wii U did this right with the ability to pretend it was a Wii (down to the menus) to run any game in the Wii library and a virtual console with a very large variety of even older games from consoles with incompatible disc/cartridge types...
@@2-Way_Intersectionyou can literally emulate nearly all xbox games on a somehow decent PC, XEMU the fact that Microsoft couldn’t use this basic open source software to do their dirty work is absolutely pathetic
@@jacksong6226 because they legally could not use that code for anything... sure, i do think ms could have at least provided a fallback emulator that worked for everything they couldnt optimize, but tbh, if they could do that, they probably would have.
@@2-Way_Intersection"the console" well Microsoft has 2 different Xboxes on the market right now already. They have the money to cram a bit more hardware and they have the audience who are willing to already buy the more expensive console for allegedly playing blu-rays...m
With how hyped you were about JSRF, you should definitely play Bomb Rush Cyberfunk if you haven't already. Fairly new indie release heavily inspired by it that carries the torch beautifully.
To be fair there are a lot of licensing issues with older games, especially in cases where the studio no longer exists so Microsoft has hit the limit of what they can plausibly add to the back compat program. Undeniably frustrating for consumers though
As an Xbox one owner, not that suprised about the compatibilty issues for the OG xbox. It's really just games being ported to the new console, and the game DVD is just a download key for the games that you can buy on the microsoft store anyways. However, the Xbox 360 backwards compatibity is great just because all supported games (which still isn't a perfect list of games, but a good portion is supported) run at 4K60. But ngl Halo of all games not working is so funny it's insane. And i'll definitely have to check the Blu-Ray situation, because mine has it installed iirc (common microsoft L) The controller is brilliant though, you are quite right about it. Used mine so much i wore the left thumb stick off (which is odd because my 20 year old ps2 controller is fine?????) Love your vids mate, hope Frank has fun slithering around his new Xbox.
Seeing Jet Set Radio Future not work just absolutely hurt my soul, I played that SO MUCH when we had the original XBox and it came on some 2-in-1 disc. I'm glad I was able to get the game working on an emulator but seeing that it's not even playable on Steam OR backwards compatible is just pain
They recently announced that there's a JSR game in the making at the Game Awards. Looks like it could be a remake/reboot, but it could also be a new entry. It was the first of 5 games that Sega showed, so it will probably release first. Still no release window was given for any of the games. The other 4 games they showed are Streets of Rage (sequel no doubt), Shinobi (probably a sequel, stages & design looked completely new), Golden Axe (likely remake or reboot) and Crazy Taxi (potential remake/reboot, but could be a new entry). Sega also announced there's more in the works. Dunno for which games the devs were confirmed other than Shinobi having the Streets of Rage 4 devs working on it.
The problem for ms with backwards compatibility is that a lot of games need licensing for music or brands and its also not easy to find the owner of certain ips as the studios are either defunct or in a hellhole of ownerships thus makes it not easy to add games into the Backwards compatibility list😔
they always could just use emulation for the discs. People who own the discs own the right to play the music. but they also want to put up the games on thwir storefront again and that is where licensing comes into play.
@@MaxPrehl Money. They already have Halo in the collection, so burning money to make it playable again or give people it for free, wouldn't be a great deal for them.
11:16 Just had this idea in mind. [Frank Translation in case if she doesn't say anything than using her own body language] "Ugh... not again... What is it, Wade? What? An Xbox? You said you're gonna give this one away. What do you mean 'it does nothing'? Shouldn't you- Shouldn't you look up the list of original xbo- Yeah- I can see that, Wade, but shouldn't yo- No, it is not for me. You said you're gonna give it away! I don't want it, Wade. Take that away from me. Why did you drop it like that? Take it away, it's not mine! Are you deaf, Wade?! I DON'T want- [groans] When I get out of this cage alive, you're gonna have serious bites from me, Wade! Don't forget!!!"
8:00 This is actually the reason why so few Xbox games run on the Series X. They literally just give you the game download and play it from the hard drive. Because of this, they can't just make an Xbox that plays old Xbox games, they have to actually re-license every game on the system and put it on the Microsoft Store. I'm genuinely surprised Sega GT, JSRF, or *Halo* didn't work, though. Is this some region lockout nonsense?
I think what xbox could do is not re-license every game, just make an emulator for it and that's it for backward compatibility like literally make the emulator play off the disc. Did sony when making the first ps3, re-license every game on the ps1 and ps2 to work with the ps3 no they just stuck in the entire ps2 into the ps3 and said "backward compatible", and then the later ps3 the last backward compatible ps3, did they also re-license every game to get it to work with backward compatible to save cost, no they just removed the gpu of the ps2 and emulated it on ps3 still said backward compatible with the ps2 library. . The ps3 is an example of what a good backward compatiable console, hell you can play ps1 games on every ps3 console and it is emulated but, you just put disc in, let it create a memory card for ps1 and bam to playing any ps1 game you want, though it did have issues with it, but it let you at least try to see if it worked or not.
So the problem with playing OG Xbox/360 games on the One/Series, is how Microsoft does emulation. They don't emulate the console per-se, it's more akin to opening up an old video editing project and re-exporting it. It gets re-compiled from the original source code into some in-between format that the console can run. The problem, is that this requires the original source to not be lost, and required permission from the publisher and developer. I'm not entirely sure if it counts as a re-release or not, even if you need the original disc to play. This is also the reason why you need to download the game and can't run it directly from the drive. Frank can enjoy SSX 3 though. What more do you need than that?
For everyone afraid of learning how to solder let me just say it is way easier than you think with a quick learning curve. Screw the big corporations and keep your old devices working so you don't end up a slave to the subscription!
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This is why emulation is vital to our digital history. We cannot trust big companies to keep our hobbies alive so we must ensure it ourselves.
Totally agree, sadly you will have companies like Nintendo suing the heck out of 20 year old roms
@@RandomDudeFromYTthe switch uses these old games to advertise Switch Online so it’s only logical they want to ruin the lives of everyone.
Steam deck is AMAZING for emulation
"Ourselves" 99% of us do nothing. Me included. We freeload off genius programmers.
@@RandomDudeFromYT It's cute that they think this will stop anyone as opposed to encouraging them.
Game publishers “emulators are piracy”
Also game publishers: won’t support games for more than a few years and actively make it hard to play old games
At least the back compat program is kinda a step in the right direction, it's just that the licensing bullshit needs to fuck off.
@@icravedeath.1200It's not a step in the right direction, it's just a worse method of backwards compatibility.
@@LN997-i8x Its something at the very least
@@srgatasioIsn't it just emulation on their terms?
I won’t buy one of these. PC , PS5.
Seeing Wade going through those classic games was like the most depressing nugget lucky dip episode ever
I got really mad when Dynasty Warriors didn't work!
Yeah but it was also as if he did a nugget dip genuinely expecting them to work like an iPod and getting mad when they didn’t, like really??
@@TheDarknashsurely you cant genuinely expect HALO to work on an XBOX
@@TheDarknash if nothing else, the Microsoft game should work on the Microsoft console.
JSRF not being compatible was a huge bummer
This is a great practical demonstration of why there needs to be a massive, vicious effort to archive and preserve games; if you need to buy hardware, that isn't being sold officially, in order to play a game, that isn't being sold officially, and the only official alternative either has no compatibilty with said game, or has a hard requirement to use internet connected services, you haven't made that game accessible, you've just given it a second time limit until it returns to being unplayable at best, and did nothing whilst wasting resources at worst.
Luckily, there will always be emulation
just say you're a cheap bitch and move on... if you actually cared about old games, you'd go out and get the real deal.
@@kryzethx We can thank Valve Steam Deck for bringing emulation to the forefront in the 2020s using Linux. *Not a gamer here, and do not own a Steam Deck, but have seen videos of folks using the console/PC hybrid for emulating classic 1980s games up through the Switch.
Anything up to ps3, 360era console wise is easily available
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It's outrageous that gaming companies get so mad that people use emulators.
the only company that gets mad is nintendo, and its not because of the emulation itself but because piracy is a byproduct of it
@siegfried_be7553 they throw tantrums about every little thing. Their anger only fuels emulation and ehat they deem to be piracy.
@@siegfried_be7553 sony also gets mad, moreso than nintendo seeing as sony has had several lawsuits against emulation developers and nintendo hasn't.
@@siegfried_be7553most of that's their fault though. People would buy their games they just don't want to sell them.
@@siegfried_be7553well, the best way to combat piracy is to make a better service than the pirates can offer.
Too bad they’re not interested in that. Yo Ho, motherfuckers.
Backwards compatibility all boils down to licensing since alot of companies dont want you to play your 20 year old disc, they want you to buy the "improved" version on the digital storefront for $40. The fact that Halo didnt work and the bluray app didnt install is truly bizarre though.
It's so weird to me that having an old game you're not selling anymore work on current hardware needs you to _update the licensing._
Like, you're not even making money off it anymore, but no, you gotta pay Ferrari for the privilege of your clients seeing their cars on screen.
Masterchief collection, they want you to buy that
Screw these companies. Download the ROMs and run it on an emulator on PC.
the australian library for original xbox backwards compatibly games is alot more limited than most since other companies that dont exist anymore held the licenses for distribution here
halo didn't work because mcc exists and they'd rather have you play that than bother to set it up again, and im pretty sure the blu-ray player would've installed if he just closed whatever game was running
Fun fact: the xbox is actually not backwards compatible with _any- of the games at all whatsoever. What it _can_ do is check your disk if it's genuine, and download an emulator and an ISO of the game already in the drive to play it for you. It would be possible to download an emulator, make an ISO from the disc in the drive right at that moment in time and be basically backwards compatible with all xbox games, but no, they cannot let you play your own old games if it's downloaded or emulated, because that would be _piracy_ according to their lawyers, or the wouldn't be able to play stupid at court and _tell the judge it is_ so there.
And then they wonder why piracy and emulation is so prominent
And the most pathetic part of the whole "can't play" part is, the hardware architecture is straight up compatible.
The original Xbox is a freaking Pentium 3 PC. x86 and all, running some embed version of Windows. The damn name comes from Direct X.
Guess what architecture the AMD APU inside that thing is?
use the dev mode lets you play emulaters its not perfect but its something
its like 20 bucks for the dev mode btw
@@Kalvinjj Sure Microsoft has the tools and has no excuse for the piss poor support on the Series, but its actually a bit more complicated than you think. The architecture isn't completely akin to that of a PC, and has a lot of off the shelf components. Even today Xbox emulation still has poor compatibility compared to other consoles of that generation, which I find pretty weird.
The funny thing is for less than the price of a Series X you could have bought a modded Original Xbox with fixed capacitors that could run games off disc, store nearly the whole library in its storage and had HDMI output to play it on modern TVs.
Consoles are never as good as on PC
As much as I love the PC gaming experience, original Xbox emulation still isn't 100% there yet. Progress has been slow, largely because most (but NOT all) of the Xbox's big games later got PC ports, or were multiplatform on easier to emulate consoles, but a lot of really good games got left in the dust, too, like Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge (Not the same game as the PC Crimson Skies), Unreal Championship 2 (A very interesting take on the UT formula, and while there is an "unofficial" leaked prototype that got ported it's an unfinished version with no sound), heck, Metal Wolf Chaos was only rescued from a Japan-only OG Xbox release by Devolver just a few years ago.
@@TruxtonII Yeah, Midtown Madness 3 is the original xbox-only title for me, didn't run too well in Xemu at least.
it helps to learn how to fix electronics. its definitely a futureproof skill, considering how hostile tech companies are becoming. learn how to solder and change your own capacitors.
@@lucasrem pc are never as cheap as a console
This video is basically 15 minutes of dankpods slowly descending into insanity
Yes, if only we all had YT Modern Vintage Gamer on speed dial to talk us down from the ledge.
You think there's maybe a licensing thing or something?
Fair enough XD, btw is that a C-130J cockpit?@@DylanClements98
Xbox One is better for playing OG games.
the reason why almost no racing games from that era work is due to copyright laws on the car desgns which is a real shame
It should launch an emulator. Microsoft has all ways of doing this yet they refuse to.
@@actuallyaridanif it's official there's licensing issues. That's why I have a steam deck.
I would love to be able to play OutRun 2 on my One S or even Burnout 2.
But as you say it, its all down to licenses, Konami would never renew song licenses to let us play both the DDR Ultramix and DDR Universe series.
OutRun 2? The Ferrari license, Burnout 2? Does EA even owns the IP for the first two games in the Burnout series at all?
That's why i kept my 360 and why i want a cheap OG Xbox so i can play games that aren't backward compatible on either Series, One or 360 consoles.
@@dylon0107 Why didn't the Wii have a limited number of GameCube games it could play?
Because they aren't Microsoft, that's why.
@@GUCFanmy problem was with the Forza Motorsport series (but horizon 1 works fine?) So now I have a 360 for playing 2 games 😂
I'm a firm believer that if a company stop supporting a piece of software it should be mandatory to make it open source.
You don't want to give us a way to legally play a game ? fine. Let a team of fan build an emulator from the source code.
(This would actually be a massive deal in the industrial world where abandonware is so common you frequently see WIndows95 machines operating equipment worth millions of bucks, and if they fail the whole factory basically shuts down...)
YES. Oh god, all those old grey 2004 Dell laptops (D500, D600, D610 etc) that are still ubiquitous in mechanics garages, because they're the only way to run some really essential diagnostic package that's very popular and all the garages bought it. They all bought it and it was the last iteration before it became a Software-as-a-Service thing? So mechanics desperately hoard and repair these old 2004 laptops because you need Windows XP and a native Serial port for this diagnostics thing to work.
@@boiledelephant And when the whole system goes belly up when everything stops working? "just buy new stuff", like that's feasible.
Yep. A shockingly large portion of the British Rail signalling systems is still based on Windows NT4 and Windows 2000.
There is still tech (Radio Electronic Token Block) that was originally built on the Commodore 64 (I think, the hardware looks right).
Win 95 is the last OS that has proper native support for things like serial ports and PCI (not PCI-E or PCI-X, plain PCI) which are used to control machines like industrial robots. That's why it's still so common in manufacturing.
How would you even enforce such a law though? Companies could just say "oh yeah this guy is definitely still maintaining this software no one has touched in 20 years".
Don't get me wrong this would be awesome, it's just incredibly unrealistic and full of loopholes.
the way this guy handle physical content made me shivers.
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I’m gonna handle you physically and make you shiver 🫵🏼
@@GriffithFromBerkThat sounds gay, take me in.
cds are tuff plus they were all like 5 bucks
Which part, exactly, is damaging or even a risk of damaging the disc?
Fun fact; from a USB device perspective, there is no distinction between the Black-and-White buttons on old Xbox controllers and the L and R shoulder buttons on newer ones. ALSO! If you're into mech games like BEA and Phantom Crash... well... you GOTTA check out Armored Core 6.
I had a 3rd party Xbox controller that had the black and white buttons where the bumpers now reside on modern xbox controllers.
When going from the Xbox to Xbox 360, that's literally all Microsoft did was just put the buttons in a different place and rename them. Hence why Black and white are mapped to the bumpers when playing backwards compatible titles in he first place.
@@sedme0 the moar you know : the internal wireless module for the 360 gamepad works on pc, just solder an usb port.
The big problem is the big “controversy” around emulation. Microsoft wants the marketing but not the “legal repercussions”, plus they do actually have to put in the work to not only have it play but also to make sure it’s enhanced and plays well.
Original publishers don’t want it and in true Microsoft fashion, they just gave up
What about Halo: Combat Evolved? Isn't that published by Microsoft?
@@ChaseMC215 yes but they have The Masterchief collection which they’ll prefer you buy. I’m sure there are some internal politics at play as well, knowing Microsoft.
Any racing games though, likely out of the hands of publishers anyways
There aren’t “legal repercussions” if you have BOUGHT THE GAME. It’s in copyright law that you are allowed to carry copyrighted material to ANY medium for personal use. “But they gon use for steal my money” doesn’t fit if it’s actively keeping people from using material they purchased, ESPECIALLY if there is no other means to play the titles “legally”(that the manufacturer provides).
There is no “grey area” around Emulators. If there was, consoles would NEVER have been backwards compatible to begin with.
Always think about the fact it’s Microsoft and Sony telling us it’s a licensing issue, NOT THE DEVELOPERS.
@@ChronoTango That’s why I put them in quotations. Big publishers will make a big Hoo haa about what rights the end user has when it comes to what they do to a legally copy of the game. It doesn’t matter what copyright law says anyways because it needs to be argued in court, which I’m guessing is not something Microsoft wants Xbox to be tied into and dragging the rest of Microsoft along with it.
And the bigger the company, the more cautious they are about even the slightest possibility of a suit. I’ve worked with Big Banks that are even afraid to include UA-cam links into their training packages in case people do not agree with their videos being part of a training package and pay me thousands of dollars to make produce a video explaining the exact same thing (not copying the video but just the same content) avoid any chance of them having to get a lawyer involved
They don't have to "enhance" anything. Just make it run with a minimum of bugs and a lot of people will be satisfied with that.
I think the way running Xbox games on the series X is, it just downloads a compatibile version rather than actually running the dvd
It's emulation, but the 360 was also emulation. Disc size is the full game size cause they use the disc as a license to download a copy of the game. Not fully sure why they do that though
@@DJ_MoosterPretty sure the reason why is that:
1) Microsoft is doing emulation on a per game level to avoid weird game specific issues that crop up, and that takes time
2) Licensing can get in the way of that. Some studios and publishers might not want old games played on modern systems because it threatens new releases in their minds, or they just don't exist anymore and there's no way to acquire the license
@@reaperreaper5098 Only reason I don't know is cause like I said 360 also used emulation from what I can tell and it didn't do this kinda stuff
@@reaperreaper5098 Microsoft can revoke the deals with studios and ban them from making games with PC and Xbox or Microsoft can buy out studios too.
That’s exactly how it is. Most of the time it won’t even download from the disc, you gotta download it from the digital store. Xbox sucks
you bluffing at your xbox at 5:24 is so relatable
Watching him slowly lose his mind as the Xbox continued to be troublesome was probably the best part of this thanksgiving lmao
Fun fact. The 360 still allows you to play a game without having to download it to play. They actually use a thing called a laser lens to read the discs and make them playable. Plus the newer 360’s had HDMI’s, which is nice
Oh, if it's on the internet that fker will still make you wait through a system update before you can play a game 100% off of a disk.
Xbox One & Series X do this too, but only if there's zero internet connection. I played Halo 5 from the disc (so it had no updates) when I moved into a new apartment that had no internet.
The modern consoles download the game off the disk to put less stress on the disk drive. It's more efficient to pull data from a HDD or SSD than an optical drive
With hacked 360 you could put any game into emulator, of course not all runs good, but more than official whitelisted runs just fine
Unless you've got one that's still on Blades or (Like me) NXE... You have to update it to download the backwards compatibility suite and that's not happening. D=
"There hasn't been a good mech game in ages" sounds like a perfect time to check out Armored Core 6!
any AC really
I was about to say. Virtual On too.
Fortnite
Mech warrior 5 is fun
That does run the risk of us never getting a dank pods video again, though.
this is why I still have a 360. The amount of backwards compatible games is larger than what the Series X will have and if I wanna play games that were on the One/Series X, I got a laptop. Also this video got me to get Project Gotham from a pawn shop and man is it a treat.
SAME my Black Kinect Xbox 360 is going no where when I’ll use it.
As a Dynasty Warriors fan, seeing our boy Dank open that case to find no game is honestly more upsetting than all of microsoft's bullshit
f in the chat for dank’s dw3😭
stick it up ya microsoft…
Stop it. Do some history on Sony to see where Microsoft learned it from. Sony had a console presence decades before Microsoft did.
Look up Super NES CD and get ready to see a national crime in action. You'll get a kick outta that for sure.
I'm not console centric. I have both and played almost everything they both have. I just love gaming, let's be real here Sony kinda started this crap. Microsoft finished it.
Don't get me wrong Microsoft has their own shitty ship to run, but at least their transparent with about 70 to 80% of the crap they do.
@@ItachiUchiha-jv3rffirst time i'm seeing a bot shilling for microsoft, first times for everything
@@ItachiUchiha-jv3rfjesse what the fuck are you talking about
@@ItachiUchiha-jv3rf Shut Up. dont lie about amazing Japanese Sony like that bruh what the hell is wrong with you. americans of microsoft & xbox start all this devious stuff & they the ones who finished it whch they dont know WTF they are doing with their western trash...you just mad that sony & nintendo are the best there is with the greatest tech innovations console, gameplay & Japanese games. get your facts right bruh
Damn I didn't realize backwards compatibility was that neutered
Yep it's case by, it's not native they have to license and test each release. Results in a small catalogue but bonuses like 4k resolution
Man, we didn't knew how fucking good we had it with the PS2 and early PS3 letting us play all the old games, huh?
@@JWRandall24Because its emulation. Backwards compatibility to the level of nintendos consoles require native hardware.
still 100% more compatibility than PS5 has with PS2 games
its mostly just og xbox which is tragic, i wish they did way more games for it. 360 has half the entire library as back compat though
Watched this with a few friends who didn't know the compatibility list. I know the list. None of the great games you had out are compatible which sucks besides Battlefront II. Music licensing and games rights are a nightmare, and Microsoft actually handcrafted bespoke emulators for these games instead of just going "here's a list and half the games are broken" on the Xbox 360.
Me still waiting for every nfs pre hot pursuit remake to become back compatible 😞😔
@@paulcarmi8130just emulate them with dev mode with xbsx2.0
@@paulcarmi8130not gonna happen because of the licensing
@@ps5professionaland because Michaelsoft™ ended the backwards compatibility program.
@@mrbones2235in this case it’s really not Microsoft. They said they tried as hard as they could, and at this point it’s the rights holders being hard about it
Reminder that Series X/S doesn't have true backwards compatibility.
The games have to be available on Microsoft Store and having the disc allows you to download the games for free. It's more like a free download program.
Same with xbox series x discs. They do nothing anymore exept make you feel happy
@@the-better-lemon Ikr what a waste
@OICru Some Series X/S discs DO have the full game on it, it's just you have to actively find those games
@@the-better-lemoni hate that so much
the fact that xemu has better support for your original discs than the xbox one is shocking.
One is a passion, other is a cash grab. Guess which is which
@@thecompanioncube4211 What cash grab? Old games aren't exactly selling like hot cakes.
@@HeySuperOkay yes they're you complete and utter bumbling baffoon.
Why do you think there are so many retro game shops that are always packed people want to play these older systems and while yes it may not be the mainstream it's still a considerable amount of people especially as those who grew up with the 360 and PS3 get older they want to play those games again and the cycle continues with every generation of anything be it cars, video games, headphones and any other tech for that matter.
My rule of thumb is that it takes 2 generations of anything for something to be worth alot of money. Take Ford RS Focus's for example back say even to early 2020 they were still only worth about £10,000 in the UK or €15,000- €20,000 in Ireland and now they're worth about £40,000 or €50,000. They're old enough now that the people who were young and couldn't afford it new, now have enough money to buy it and they'll pay pretty much any cost and there's other factors too like how it was shown on Top Gear and looked amazing that added to its popularity in which it was very high in the first place.
@@HeySuperOkay I mean, the back-compat project probably cost Microsoft hundreds of millions of dollars, but it supports thousands of games, some of which will sell millions, and it makes Xbox look good.
@@HeySuperOkay
“Old games aren’t exactly selling like hot cakes” you’re literally wrong, and also this is such a dumb vague way to word this. I think maybe you just don’t know what you’re talking about
What's crazy is they could create actual emulators for physical disc use only. There's nothing legally stopping them. But they won't, because they are trying to drive people to actually purchase the games again through their digital storefront.
Hardware based emulation would drive up the cost of Series X systems. Software based (like what they're currently using) requires them to license/test every game they run through it, which isn't always possible with physical media.
@@onhold1706because hardware emulating a Pentium III and 64 mB of RAM is going to break Microsoft’s back financially 🤣 clearly just something they threw in because the marketing committee made them, not because the engineering team actually care about their product.
@@HH60gPaveHawkactually video game consoles are made on a very tight budget, the OG Xbox was a tough sell for investors due to the fact that consoles are only profitable after a while, so putting extra hardware for maybe a few sales was not worth it to them.
They want you to buy the Master Chief Collection
@@onhold1706fondle it
this dude can make content out of not playing video games
The funniest thing about the “Sorry, this game isn’t playable here” message is that the XBox is actually reading it as an XBox disc and it reads it as a compatible disc format and Xbox is manually locking it. Thanks MichaelSoft :)
Series X can read Xbox discs, but there is no native hardware anywhere in the console. Pretty much what it does is it checks to see if its an xbox disc, and if it is, it checks to see if there has been a version of that game ported to modern consoles for you to download.
Just because the console can recognize that it is an Xbox Disc doesn't mean it can just magically run code made for 20 year older hardware.
@@CozyCatteit can though
@@eric_t123nuh, XBox most likely changed architecture for their CPUs. The game code is compiled for a specific CPU architecture. Not to say the resolutions are probably different, and scaling. Also the GPUs, and maybe even the kernels.
The games aren’t even ran from the disc. It’s a download from Microsoft servers, and it’s basically emulation of whatever console you’re playing. Kinda bs to me, but whatever. Which means there’s no reason why they can’t run on modern consoles.
My grandmother still plays Oblivion on her PC. She has a modern graphics card, a modern CPU, all the bells and whistles. And she could still play Oblivion. I honestly believe that's why a lot of the older generations still plays on PC. You can play the original Half-Life which came out before I was making core memories
You can still play the original half life and it recently got updated!
@@primemeow The one that you can download from steam right now runs on it more optimized version of the engine. Basically it runs under the newer engine with the emulation layer that runs it better than it ran before. I'm talking about like the original disc version you can still play that on PCs All you got to do is put the disk in.
Why on earth is this important? I can also plug in a PS2, and play PS2 games. I'm not some freak who expects a 5 dollar game I bought in a bargain bin 20 years ago to still work on hardware I bought yesterday. Why would I? What would be the point of buying new hardware just to play old games?
@@peedrillbecause keeping a bunch of old discs and using them in the hardware you currently have plugged in for modern gaming is easier than keeping every console you have ever owned in a closet and pulling them out and finding the power cable and plugging in the composite cables (if your tv or av receiver even have composite inputs, which is not a given on any thing even slightly modern) whenever you get the desire to revisit a game you bought 20 years ago.
Discs take up a negligible amount of space and you can put them in a binder that you can keep anywhere and you don’t have to worry about breaking because disc binders are padded and secure.
consoles are big and boxy and fragile.
My PS5 can play DVDs and CDs. If PS2s can play dvds There’s no reason the PS5 can’t read a PS2 game.
@@peedrill and you're one of the people that won't understand so I'm not going to bother explaining it.
Dank pods playing V8 Supercars instead of Forza is the most Australian thing he's ever told us
Gaming: Relieves stress
Also Gaming: Gives you stress
And that’s the beauty of the matter.
Late 90s - 05ish gaming was the best imo, when it was still fun not just a sneakily psychologically addictive way of brainwashing kids into thinking microtransactions and digital currency u pay real cash for are acceptable!
I've been pretty depressed with the current state of the hobby, whether it's the greedy corporate practices, the talent leaving in droves, or the many beloved series getting melted down for bland "wider appeal". I still have all my old games, and tons of stuff to pirate, but it still feels bad being outnumbered by the people who are incapable of seeing anything wrong with what the industry's been doing, cheering for remakes and sequels that gut the appeal of your favorites, because they all never understood it to begin with.
There have actually been some convincing studies done showing games don't really relive stress, they just help you ignore it. Which is important to know as a gamer myself.
@@petergriscom3431 I completely understand. That’s why I stick to games that I know are good- older games if you will. All I’ll say (to stop myself from rambling) GTA 6 is under a ton of pressure now. I genuinely hope they don’t mess up.
That Genki logo in the box made me remember Tokyo Xtreme Racer 3 for PS2.
A street racer game in Japan with a automotive mechanic level of customization for the cars and horsepower vs torque curves.
That thing was crazy cool
“I love mech games, feels like there hasn’t been a good one in a really long time…”
Someone tell this man about Armored Core
My game of the year, in fact.
@@HypeWrecks same here. Finished the last ending last week in a single sitting, 8 hours, was totaly worth it. 9/10, literally perfection besides the random difficulty spikes.
@@popkornhd1428 My only gripe with the game is just that the mundane missions are so mundane. No buildup, just killing trash mobs. The boss fights more than make up for it though.
Some of the set pieces are just insane, some of the best presentation in games ever. No one is touching From artistically right now.
@@HypeWrecks the tension some scenes build up is fucking crazy.
Without spoiling anyone, 3rd chapter final boss, the buildup and the emersion you get is stupid insane. Probably my most favorite moment of the entire game.
@@HypeWreckssame. Absolutely fun-ass game, my personal GOTY too
You know what I’m thankful for this Thanksgiving? DankPods posting a new video
Same
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@@karazami6594admiring the little things doesn’t make your life sad. I’m thankful for my family, my home, and I’m also thankful for the new dankpods video!
same here
Same fr
The unfortunate part is they stopped adding backwards compat titles a few years back due to the nightmare of licensing.
If only they just focused on letting people play their physical games.
microsoft is one of the biggest companies in the world, i'm really not convinced by this whole licencing bullshit. they're baso saying they're too tight
@@elsviec well, at least they tried. It's still a business and they were not obliged to add back combat to their consoles. I see PS having almost no back combat at all and no one is complaining.
@@asdasdjsjsjs4213precisely
@@elsviecThey'd rather buy studios for billions than cough up a few freedom dollars for their own games to be compatible.
3:08 is where i felt sadness towards him because i knew he was going to be disappointed that pgr isnt backwards compatible
I compared the list of compatible games to the list of games made for the first two Xbox consoles.
The original Xbox had 998 games on it, and only 58 of them are compatible. That is less than 6% compatibility.
The Xbox 360 had 2154 games, and 657 of them are compatible. That is just under 31% compatibility.
Ps5 0% compatible
@@MepsiPax187mate, to be fair, that's about the amount of games it has.
They definitely need to improve in backwards compatibility, it’d just be great for gaming overall if they did and if they added some of them to game pass where possible.
Personally I love my series x and it’s got all the old games from my childhood (i’m only 22) but I love trying out older games and I’m sure seeing some more xbox 360 games on game pass n stuff would give me some flashbacks to looking at the preowned games sections back in the day lol
What a fukn joke
61 games compatible from original xbox now! what great leaps forwards /j
Dude I had an experience just like this. I bought a series x when it came out like 4 years ago with my hard earned part time job money as a 15 year old. One of the reasons I did it was to play through some of my dad’s old Xbox games, just out of curiosity. I could be wrong, but I specifically remember them advertising backwards compatibility and being able to play through old Xbox games and parading how great of a feature it was. Of course, I sat there feeding in each game only to get that bullshit “Whoopsy!! Sorry!!” message. I even saved Halo 1 and 2 for last expecting it to play if nothing else did (just like you!), but neither worked. Extremely disappointing.
The Xbox 360 has backwards compatibility for a lot of the games. I'm not sure how the Xbox One works with it, though. Maybe it's similar to the 360 plus has compatibility with a bunch of Xbox 360 games.
But yeah, I totally get you.
Once I have kids, I think it'll most likely be emulation through PC
I mean they really talked about how it was only a small list that would get bigger with some time, i think that at the end we got around 60 classic xbox games and 600 360 games, i would have love more classic xbox games 😪
@@Poodleinacan The 360 had backwards compatibility because it actually just worked. Series X "backwards compatibility" is a bunch of made up bullshit because it doesn't actually read the game off the disc, it runs an emulator after checking the disc and license is valid. That's why Wade had to download 4GB to play Battlefront 2.
Also don't know how XB1 works, though, I've never thought to try it.
@@srgatasio Just people wanting to be angry which is easier when you make shit up
@@Dr.SpatulaMicrosoft was definitely a lot louder about the backwards compatibility part than the very limited game list part to the point where I find it misleading.
Seeing Genki on that box is just such a vibe. They made SUCH soulful games that were just good enough to keep you playing but so bad that you REALLY wished you were playing somthing better
Genki?
They're a developer from Japan that made some very very good racers in the PS2/1 era.
Import tuner challenge is a classic on the 360, give it a look 👍
saying something is a vibe is a mask for not knowing how to properly express yourself
Shame they screwed up Daytona on the Dreamcast as that game handles like garbage, it's way too twitchy and even when altering the sensitivity in the options it still doesn't feel like the OG Daytona to me. Also don't go "but the game plays great on a steering wheel", I haven't got room for that stuff and even if I did why should I have to go out of my way to buy a whole peripheral to make a game play better.
@@yikes6969who gives a shit
watching wade just slowly descend into madness really made my day
The irony is that JSRF is one of the few success stories from the (very long-suffering, very downtrodden, very small) XBC emulation scene. Someone actually got JSRF pretty much running in its entirety in an emulation engine, albeit with some audio issues. And as much as I hated it, it IS one of the platform's undisputed success stories and culture classics. That it isn't on the compatible list is pretty embarrassing.
I wouldn't doubt it's because of all the copyright issues with the music in it
@@hey_its_mika I get that Xbox probably can't rerelease these older games, but since they made emulation possible on the xbox, they could have at the very least made a basic emulator available for older games and let the community determine which ones work.
@@leonro That's the thing. This isn't "emulation" in the typical sense. That's why the "patch" is 4GB for an Xbox game of approximately the same size. What you're downloading is a modified version of the original that can run on the new hardware. That modification requires ... well, not sure what precisely, it's all secret sauce AFAIK, but I'm sure someone's done a tech interview or blog or Twitter post about it. It's either access to the original sources to recompile a native executable, or, more than likely, a wrapper around the original with in-place patching of API calls. Distributing the modified work requires legal right to do so. That's what makes this method so difficult. The technical barriers are not trivial, but not fatal. It's the intellectual property challenges that prevent near-100% compatibility.
IMO, it's the wrong way to do it, because you will never secure the rights for everything that happened more than 30 minutes ago. Half those titles are owned by dev shops that don't exist anymore, or have traded hands so many times nobody knows who owns them. (You'll find out if you dare try to distribute any derivative works, though. They wouldn't bother answering your phone call for permission, but would sue your pants off within a lunch break.)
On the bright side, it does allow for nice things like grafted-in HD assets, widescreen support, bug fixes, uncapped framerates, QOL improvements... but also all the mixed-bag revisionist history stuff, too.
Preservation HAS to be done in the shadows. It's the only way you'll ever get everything, because nobody cares about tracking down royalties for pirated software. Either that, or a real emulation of the OG hardware, that will run literally anything that would've run on the original -- from a genuine disc or a torrent.
@@leonro Actually, that's the core issue. Every game in the back compat list with a few exceptions are available for purchase in the xbox store. They had to get proper licenses to distribute each game.
@@nickwallette6201 It's just an emulator and a perfect rip of the game. Honestly it's pretty handy because if you have a scratched copy it'll still work.
1 year later, I’m still thankful for this channel. Don’t forget about the streams and other channels (thankful for those too)!
Y’know, it’s kinda sad I knew that Halo 1 wasn’t gonna work cause they'd rather have you buy The Master Chief Collection even if you already own the original releases. Says a lot about the current state of gaming.
I honestly dare you to try to pay for the halo collection. They give you that shit with literally everything.
Not every old Halo requires mcc. You can play 3 on the Xbox one and newer through backwards compatibility
@@Generic_Handle4573 well that just makes it worse because they proved they can do it but refused to do it with Halo 1 💀
Its worked for me. Sometimes the discs are wierd
@@IDoABitOfTrollin no it didn't lmfao. it literally cannot.
To be fair about the games being digital downloads with the disk is now all of the back compat games are available for purchase on the digital store without having to own a sometimes hard to acquire physical copy.
This is why I love pc. Not only can you emulate old console games you can natively play 20 year old games with no issues
All hail PCSX2.
"no issues" is generous but yea I agree
Xzactly
PC is awesome I just wish you didn't have to pay a thousand plus more dollars for graphics and performance that's only a lil bump from consoles
It almost makes it not worth it ...PC also comes with a headache full of tweak settings you gotta do to make it hopefully work right
@@megilacuttyjones735 yeah, theres a reason people choose consoles, its less fussier.
PCs do have a learning curve, but atleast you can buy them prebuilt, provided you can find a prebuilt that's not dogshit lmao
The best thing about the Xbox series x is dev mode, you can run a lot of emulators for a lot of different systems on the x
They killed it
@@MYSOULOFDOOM no, they killed running them in retail mode. you can still do all of that in dev mode
@@MYSOULOFDOOM Dev mode works just fine, you can run emulators just like before.
@@kgek0them killing it on retail is perfectly fine tho you’re officially using their console to pirate games, at least use the curtain they gave you to cover yourself up
It’s honestly weird seeing Sega GT 2002 being on its own disc as the way I played it was via the JSRF/SGT2002 combo disk.
Still got memories of glitching the career mode and getting the Ford GT90 much earlier than I should have gotten it, making the entire campaign a cakewalk.
That combo disk never came out in the PAL regions.
@SplinterCellRocks really? Huh. I've only ever seen the solo copies of JSRF and GT 2002 for sale, I should look into getting the combo disk.
I really like 90s and 2000s racing games *AND* I love Sega so this sounds really cool. i’ve gotta check it out.
Violet Crumble cracked me up bro, keep it up :D
11:05 At this point I was worried this would turn into a HowtoBasic Video.
fr I thought he would yeet that 😅
Fun fact: The OG XBox was modelled after the Dreamcast HARD. From the 4 controller ports on the front exactly like the DC, to the twin memory card slots on the controller. And where the "Jewel" is was originally going to be an updated version of the Dreamcast VMU, with a colour LCD screen, But they ended up running into problems getting portable battery life and reliability, and after the disaster that the original VMU was they decided to drop it, but pretty late into the design process.
Yeah. But the dreamcast's front 4 controller ports wasnt their idea. Nintendo did it first on the N64 (1996)
But everything else was either dreamcast's idea or xbox's. Nintendo jumped on the discs idea late. (Mini GC discs in 2001. Normal Wii Discs in 2006).
@@goomba-64 The first popular console, yes. I thought the first console with 4 controller ports was the Atari 5200, but it was the Bally Astrocade which released a few years prior.
Fun fact, that's a lot of revisionist history.
They have videos about the whole process of the XBox creation.
The original VMU was actually really great, and the battery was fine for a device like that.
Phantom Crash made me retroactively go out and get an original Xbox just to play it. Absolutely do not regret. Game is amazing. Also, Phantom Crash had a sequel called S.L.A.I. (Steel Lancer Arena International) exclusive to PS2. Also amazing game, recommend.
Came here to find the Phantom Crash love. Absolute classic
ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.
Ironically Phantom Crash can play on the 360. Not well, but it'll play.
Always grateful for the wide variety of emulators and fpga choices like mister that exist. Big companies will hardly put any effort into preserving old games but fans will thankfully always pick up the slack and actually do the job right.
I was *genuinely* shocked to see some of the games that weren't supported
Especially jet set radio and halo
@@MrREAPERsz I was honestly fairly surprised by PGR and Tony Hawk as well; Jet Set Radio, was mildly surprised but don't know enough about it to know just exactly how much of a cult classic it is
But Halo CE not being supported is absolutely crazy
@@acynicalasian JSRF is not only a cult classic, but it's also one of emulation's biggest successes, and given that all the Xbox does is basically emulate old games, it should be an absolute slam dunk.
@@acynicalasian Probably just because of the Master Cheif Collection
@@Moister356 That's what I was thinking too, but it still is BS to not support backwards compatibility for CE
I think the main reason a bunch of older games aren't R/C is because of licensing issues
With how it works they need to be able to list the game back up on the storefront, which is really stupid because a lot of companies either, no longer exist or the ones that do exist can't be assed to pay the fees to get the older games back up
That and if I remember right, the game files are digitally sent to the console, which can't happen unless there's a license between the publisher and Microsoft. I thought I read it doesn't read info from the disc due to some modification that's done.
yeah, the xbox can't natively emulate old games, they have to republish them with an added compatibility package, and legally they can't do that without the OK from the rights holder, moreso even to distribute it
@@Maho. If they release a general emulator and take game files directly from the disks there shouldn't be an issue right? You don't need the OK from the rights holder if you're not distributing game files. Sure, compatibility won't be as good as with custom packages, but at least you'll be able to actually try and play the games. Something like CxBx reloaded would at least let you play JSR Future.
@@IntoTheFartsideif they were smart, they would get the files off the disk, where they’re stored.
@@RhinoRapscallionSORCERY! WITCHCRAFT!
Fun fact: the OG Xbox is just a computer (more so than Blue and Green's consoles now) so the memory cards and controller are just USB in a different shape. Some of them even had an aftermarket CPU inside so a modded Xbox could play DVDs at full speed, with a swich to underclock it for gaming.
Yep! It's actually trivial to modify the safety-release dongle on old Xbox controllers with a normal USB end - and they work on PCs like any x-input USB controller. :D
@@dhoffnun All consoles are PCs mostly Xboxes even the Xbox One runs a Modified version of Windows 10.
@@DeletedContent Xboxes have always ran modified versions of Windows, as they wanted to push for cross development between Windows and their console. Reason I said that the OG Xbox is more a PC than now is because the whole architecture wasn't really that crazy, mostly just off the shelf parts really. Now it's a semi custom SOC with no touchy written all over it. Pointing out that it uses x86 and saying it's a PC is like saying an NES is a Commodore 64, Apple ][, or Atari 2600 because they use the same cpu.
6:46 sorry zoom, meme worthy
0:36 Fun fact: it's just USB.
No really. The memory card ports and the OG Xbox controller connectors?
It's just a funny shaped USB port.
So it’s an Atari? Wasn’t USB based on SIO found on the Atari XL machines?
Seeing Battle Engine Aquilla, and seeing other people who know about it always makes me happy. One of my first properly enjoyed gaming experiences. Even if that one level when you are like, on the volcano with the giant spider mech you have to blast inside of.. felt really difficult back then (Recently played through the whole game again. Kid me was dumb)
Same studio that made the tokyo extreme racer series too
I would have imagined you'd be more into the idea of getting an original Xbox with updated (and more reliable) capacitors than a new system. Backward compatibility for the OG Xbox has been notoriously hit and miss. Even PC emulation for it can be pretty spotty at times. The most reliable way to play a lot of it is going to be getting an original one that has been modified a bit to change out the old capacitors. As a plus side, when doing that modification it's also pretty easy to do things like replacing the original hard drive with higher capacity storage, or allowing you to install your discs to the HDD.
There is also a hardware mod that you can do to upgrade to HDMI. I believe it only outputs to 720p, but that's still better than the native res which is 480i I think. Plus it lets you just directly plumb it into a modern TV with no adapters or switches.
2:25 that's because modern consoles (and the first Xbox, but in this case it doesn't really help) use a modified x86 architecture, which makes them quite similar to each other and to PCs
13:28 As it's written there, only the first variants (CECHA and CECHB) had a PS2 CPU, and not many of them were made. The later ones used emulation for compatibility.
You're missing out that the CECHC and CECHE (basically the same model but different letter for different regions) models had the PS2 GS chip so it's hybrid emulation, part software part hardware. These still had reasonable backwards compatibility just not as high a percentage, and for me the dealbreaker is CECHA/B PS3s will play _OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast_ while CECHC/E it crashes as soon as any 3D graphics are shown. PS2 homebrew will work on the original CECHA/B units, that's how feature complete they are in terms of PS2 hardware, so you can actually use OPL to network stream PS2 ISOs and the GSM feature to upscale all the games to 1080i which produces a much cleaner, sharper image than the PS3's built-in native scaling to 1080i/p.
One thing I think absolutely sucks with modern console playing is that the CDs are useless now. The game isn't on there anymore, it just has a download link. But despite you having to download the entire game anyways, you still need to put the CD in to play the game! Invest more in disc tech so they won't be useless with the massive game sizes. Or do take the Nintendo route and use cartridges
Thankfully the vast majority of disc games are actually on the disc. Only a couple are just a key for download.
The games on bigger consoles still install copied from the disc though, because a disk just can't be read fast enough for big games anymore.
The switch still plays games natively off a cartridge. But rest assured nearly every game on disc is actually on the disc, so they aren't useless.
PS5 games have the game on the disc, it just copy’s the whole thing on to the SSD instead of playing directly from the disc like PS3.
This isnt true for 99 percent of switch and ps4/5 games. This is an XBOX ONLY issue, they decided even with there big first party games, not to put the entire thing on disc. Sony's games come full on disc, most third party ps5 games, come full on disc, 99 percent of ps4 games are full on disc (same goes for switch carts). This also goes for the PS3, 99 percent, full on disc. You want to be mad at someone, be mad at Xbox, they are lazy, and they only care about selling you gamepass and their fart cloud.
Not all disc based games are like that, thankfully. I remember seeing a post Insomniac made when Spider-Man 2 was close to releasing that the entire game was on the disc even though it was barely short of a 100 GB install. 4K Blu-Rays on the bigger end of the spectrum reach that size and for good measure I took my PS5 offline and let the game install entirely. Didn't get prompted to connect to the internet for additional downloads and the game ran without issue as well. Games made by people who let file sizes balloon into the 100+ GB territory, yeah I can see them forcing a download to cut the cost of pressing a second disc (which sucks if you want to back up your own copies of the game in the future since you can't just rip the disc contents on a modified system or PC with the appropriate drive) but even with 50-90 GB size games a full on-disc game is still possible in this day and age.
Though special shout out to Activision for going through the effort of pressing physical copies of MW2 2022 and only having 70 MB of data on what is safely assumed to be a 50-100 GB disc. Why even make the effort to make physical copies at all at that point?
@@mistermax98showwow that’s scummy. What a waste of aluminium and plastic too
I loved this video replicating all my frustrations with the Series X, but the real pearl of it happened after Frank received her new Xbox, a PlayStation mid-roll ad appeared. Well played UA-cam, well played.
fun fact if you pay for premium you wont get ads i forget youtube has ads sometimes it so nice
@@bland9876 you can also just get ublock lol
@@bland9876 are you working for youtube dude, im not giving these clowns any money
The irony is Playstation 5 has no backwards compat past PS4.
@@ErynnDBuck from what I've heard the PS5 acts like a new system whereas the Xbox just acts like a more powerful Xbox One.
Same here by the way, the original Xbox is my baby. I grew up with one as a youngster and had so many great experiences with it. GameCube was fun and the PS2 may have outsold both Nintendo and Microsoft’s outings by a hundred miles… but you can’t deny that the OG Xbox had some charm to it.
Exactly, but remember Xbox was never made for kids at all. That's why they make the trash-talking accessory for the OG Xbox. But, Coppa ruined it and so did parents. Like, I honestly want to play the og Xbox games on an emulator because my og xbox the eject and power buttons don't work right and mine has the bad Thompson drive.
all the best games of that generation ran and looked miles better on og xbox, its still amazing.
So apparently we are brothers dank. I also use to play system of a down and v8 supers cars 2 on my xbox. I still have the xbox and game with the music saved on it from 20 years ago. Love ya channel mate
the genuine pain i felt when he grabbed the disc directly
Lmao fingerprints don't matter. Scratches do
0:16 all I can hear is "Me and me ex-eife got a gaming channel"
Aussies are a different breed man.
𝕎𝕠𝕟 𝕒 𝕓𝕠𝕩
He's saying, "I mean, mate, it's why I've got a gaming channel."
im so happy for him and his ex wife 🥰🥰🥰
Having 100%ed Bomb Rush Cyberfunk (the Jet Set Radio successor), I'm real upset that we never got more of it in the time between then and now. Legitimately solid stuff.
Yeah, the compatibility with the original Xbox is very limited, and the back compat doesn’t work from hardware, you have to download the game and you use the disc as a license to open the game.
About 50 OG games are suported.
Ew, was wondering if that was the case. Series X will be a useless paperweight in 5 years then.
Feels like laziness to me. but maybe it's some kind of licensing issues.
@@jukkapiispanen123 which is very limited considering it is compatible with around 600 360 games.
@@VonGeggry10-13 years from now they just shut the 360 store down
@@VonGeggry it’s better for the 360 honestly, all the heavy hitters of that console are backwards compatible and it works pretty well. I just think it’s a shame they stopped adding back compat games som years ago, they shouldn’t’ve stopped until all games from both consoles (minus the weird licensing issue ones) are backwards compatible
I always wait every Thursday night for a new dank pods vid, always worth it
As a fellow Australian Series X owner, I got the blu-ray player app to install somehow and that has basically been all that I have been using it for.
Sad that you have to run Blu-Ray from an app.
@@Clay3613 The saddest thing is, last I checked, it was essentially the same on PC. Blu-Ray drives ship with a really crappy and slow media player software capable of decoding the Blu-Ray, which VLC and MPC-HC both couldn't do.
@@OOZ662you can get Bluray decoders for vlc, just takes some finagling to get it to work
@@Clay3613What's your problem with that? You know how Microsoft avoided paying a licence fee for the DVD playback for every original Xbox? They disabled it and sold the DVD Kit with a IR Remote and Remote Dongle for the controller port that also "unlocks" the DVD player and the same with Xbox One and Series, you have to install that Player App once and it's done.
Nonetheless most game consoles are rather poor DVD/BD Players, they have a high power consumption, probably fan noise and also the drive can be also noisy, I initially used my One X (PS5 and Series X aren't much quieter) for UHD Discs but then bought a UBP-X800M2 instead and its drive is almost whisper-quiet.
Surely, a blue ray disk drive will be cheaper than $500
JSRF was totally a classic! If someone’s interested in playing something similar, a studio randomly recreated it, it’s called bomb rush cyberfunk, pretty short game but it totally catches the vibe of JSRF!
Hearing your soul die at 8:04 was the most frustrating and hilarious thing i have seen from you LMAO
I feel like Microsofts first attempt at archiving the og xboxes library through emulation on the 360 is really important to recognize, as I feel like a modded 360 especially is a valid way to properly preserve many original xbox games on more modern hardware without the need of an internet connection or game installs.
Yeah, a hacked 360 can play all of 360 and a good amount of original Xbox all for free. It’s basically the best way to play most of those games that never left the Xbox and 360, especially XBLA games. Whereas with Xbox One essentially all good games are also available on PS4 or PC.
5:05 Dank I know you've probably heard of it before but if you're really interested in mech games you should give Armored Core 6 a try. They're from the same developers as Dark Souls (tho the original AC game predates that series by many years) and, in much the same vein as that game and its sequels, Armored Core has relatively loose connections between games so it can pretty much be played as a standalone.
It has all the great hallmarks of mech stories! Customizations! Cool fights! Ponderings on the value of life in an ever-dissolving dystopian society! The effects of constant war on morality and the human psyche! Giant robots blowing each other up! And much much more!
Too much grind for me (time, I’m a comp sci student) but my friend has played hundreds of hours and it honestly looks amazing
@@BTTRSWYT Try metal wolf chaos if you want something shorter, same studio, too american for american release back in the day
@@j377yb33nI’ll give it a look fs. Thanks!
They didn’t make the Halo games compatible because the Master Chief collection for the Xbox One has them and that collection is backwards compatible on Series X. I know this because I have it and that’s how I play the OG Halo’s on the Series X
So they make you pay again. Classic Microsoft move. What if you want the original experience.
@@jigzyonlineif u have game pass, u don't have to pay a dime for the collection since its there pretty much 24/7. At the same time, if u want the OG experience, play the OG game then. Easy as that
@@amaterasumaster8781I am not paying Microsoft monthly to play games. Anyone who does is a fkn idiot. "Dont have to pay a dime" you are literally paying per month. People really be brainwashed.
@@amaterasumaster8781game pass isn't free.
Dude, the smile on my face when Blood Wake showed up on the screen. That game was one of my absolute most favourite games on the og xbox and I've missed it for years
Seeing Wade hold a copy of Jet Set Radio Future gives me the opportunity to recommend he play Bomb Rush Cyberfunk if he hasn't already.
Hearing Wade play Titanfalls made my day. I wish more people play that game again, I love the movement so much
Titanfall and Titanfall 2 especially are so crisp. I really really really hate that Apex Legends took over. I want to know what the hell BT is up to!
Wait until he finds out how nonexistent backwards compatibility is on the PS5
backwards compatibility or not Microsoft needs to do better, the problems with the X are way too noticeable, updates shouldn’t break the console.
I doesn’t need backwards compatibility when it has a huge ps4 library that has better titles than the Xbox one did, the exclusives make the console and Xbox has shitty ones
uh the ps5 is backwards compat with every PS4 title
@@jamesherman3750 The Xbox Series consoles are backwards compatible with every Xbox One title? Silly comment when we're talking about PS2/Xbox and PS3/Xbox 360 backwards compatibility.
Here comes the Xbot army
"There hasn't been a good mech game in a real long time" - my brother in dank, time to go look up Armored Core VI; you're in for a treat.
I think the reason why Xbox Classic has less backward compatibility is due to licensing, legal and technical constraints According to a recent announcement by Xbox, they have reached the limit of their ability to bring new games to the catalog from the past due to these constraints It is also worth noting that backwards compatibility is not always reliable, and often the ones that do may encounter audio drops, stutters, or other oddities not present on original hardware
So how does that stop them from putting a tiny chip that is a replica of first party hardware from 20 years ago whose only purpose is to run the old discs for first party games. You can't seriously think they ran into licensing issues with Halo CE and Halo 2? And technical constraints is a joke, we are talking about making it so a more advanced box can pretend it's a box from 20+ years ago. I mean there are readily available software packages that allow you to run Switch games on a Xbox Series X built in some programmers basement. You can't expect me to believe that a multi-billion dollar company genuinely doesn't think they can figure it out...
Jesus, even the Wii U did this right with the ability to pretend it was a Wii (down to the menus) to run any game in the Wii library and a virtual console with a very large variety of even older games from consoles with incompatible disc/cartridge types...
@@anthonyhovens7488because it isnt that simple? and said chip could still cost a lot to produce, therefore making the console more expensive?
@@2-Way_Intersectionyou can literally emulate nearly all xbox games on a somehow decent PC, XEMU the fact that Microsoft couldn’t use this basic open source software to do their dirty work is absolutely pathetic
@@jacksong6226 because they legally could not use that code for anything...
sure, i do think ms could have at least provided a fallback emulator that worked for everything they couldnt optimize, but tbh, if they could do that, they probably would have.
@@2-Way_Intersection"the console" well Microsoft has 2 different Xboxes on the market right now already. They have the money to cram a bit more hardware and they have the audience who are willing to already buy the more expensive console for allegedly playing blu-rays...m
With how hyped you were about JSRF, you should definitely play Bomb Rush Cyberfunk if you haven't already. Fairly new indie release heavily inspired by it that carries the torch beautifully.
Need to check it out
To be fair there are a lot of licensing issues with older games, especially in cases where the studio no longer exists so Microsoft has hit the limit of what they can plausibly add to the back compat program. Undeniably frustrating for consumers though
The ROM is on the disc, that should include the license.
And if game licenses run out so you CAN'T PLAY THE GAMES YOU OWN, then I'll only pirate.
As an Xbox one owner, not that suprised about the compatibilty issues for the OG xbox. It's really just games being ported to the new console, and the game DVD is just a download key for the games that you can buy on the microsoft store anyways. However, the Xbox 360 backwards compatibity is great just because all supported games (which still isn't a perfect list of games, but a good portion is supported) run at 4K60.
But ngl Halo of all games not working is so funny it's insane.
And i'll definitely have to check the Blu-Ray situation, because mine has it installed iirc (common microsoft L)
The controller is brilliant though, you are quite right about it. Used mine so much i wore the left thumb stick off (which is odd because my 20 year old ps2 controller is fine?????)
Love your vids mate, hope Frank has fun slithering around his new Xbox.
Seeing Jet Set Radio Future not work just absolutely hurt my soul, I played that SO MUCH when we had the original XBox and it came on some 2-in-1 disc. I'm glad I was able to get the game working on an emulator but seeing that it's not even playable on Steam OR backwards compatible is just pain
He should buy a PC !
Jet Set Radio Future was probably my most played game of my childhood. I've been waiting for a proper remake or sequel for so long.
They recently announced that there's a JSR game in the making at the Game Awards. Looks like it could be a remake/reboot, but it could also be a new entry. It was the first of 5 games that Sega showed, so it will probably release first. Still no release window was given for any of the games. The other 4 games they showed are Streets of Rage (sequel no doubt), Shinobi (probably a sequel, stages & design looked completely new), Golden Axe (likely remake or reboot) and Crazy Taxi (potential remake/reboot, but could be a new entry). Sega also announced there's more in the works.
Dunno for which games the devs were confirmed other than Shinobi having the Streets of Rage 4 devs working on it.
theres bomb rush cyberfunk, aka, the ACTUAL goty of 2023....
3:01 "sorry mate literally none of those are gonna work" is all i can think 😂😂
8:23 The first game was found, but the system update was required
Armored Core 6 is a godsend. Haven't enjoyed a Mech game since Zone of the Enders 2 for PS2. Worth it when you got the time.
The problem for ms with backwards compatibility is that a lot of games need licensing for music or brands and its also not easy to find the owner of certain ips as the studios are either defunct or in a hellhole of ownerships thus makes it not easy to add games into the Backwards compatibility list😔
Especially racing games like Forza
they always could just use emulation for the discs. People who own the discs own the right to play the music. but they also want to put up the games on thwir storefront again and that is where licensing comes into play.
This does not explain Halo tho
@@MaxPrehl Money. They already have Halo in the collection, so burning money to make it playable again or give people it for free, wouldn't be a great deal for them.
11:16 Just had this idea in mind.
[Frank Translation in case if she doesn't say anything than using her own body language]
"Ugh... not again... What is it, Wade?
What?
An Xbox? You said you're gonna give this one away.
What do you mean 'it does nothing'? Shouldn't you-
Shouldn't you look up the list of original xbo-
Yeah- I can see that, Wade, but shouldn't yo-
No, it is not for me. You said you're gonna give it away!
I don't want it, Wade. Take that away from me.
Why did you drop it like that? Take it away, it's not mine!
Are you deaf, Wade?!
I DON'T want-
[groans] When I get out of this cage alive, you're gonna have serious bites from me, Wade! Don't forget!!!"
Hey Dank! Just wondering if you tried Armoured Core 6 yet! I find it pretty fun!
As soon as I saw Dank got one, Ive been waiting for the inevitable "The Xbox Series X is useless garbage" video.
The 30 year old gamer experience:
Play latest games in 60fps 4k? Heck no!
Play 20 year old games slightly upscaled? All I dream about.
8:00 This is actually the reason why so few Xbox games run on the Series X. They literally just give you the game download and play it from the hard drive. Because of this, they can't just make an Xbox that plays old Xbox games, they have to actually re-license every game on the system and put it on the Microsoft Store.
I'm genuinely surprised Sega GT, JSRF, or *Halo* didn't work, though. Is this some region lockout nonsense?
I think what xbox could do is not re-license every game, just make an emulator for it and that's it for backward compatibility like literally make the emulator play off the disc. Did sony when making the first ps3, re-license every game on the ps1 and ps2 to work with the ps3 no they just stuck in the entire ps2 into the ps3 and said "backward compatible", and then the later ps3 the last backward compatible ps3, did they also re-license every game to get it to work with backward compatible to save cost, no they just removed the gpu of the ps2 and emulated it on ps3 still said backward compatible with the ps2 library.
. The ps3 is an example of what a good backward compatiable console, hell you can play ps1 games on every ps3 console and it is emulated but, you just put disc in, let it create a memory card for ps1 and bam to playing any ps1 game you want, though it did have issues with it, but it let you at least try to see if it worked or not.
It's actually amazing you picked the games that didn't work and then the one that worked didn't because Australia
Even Dankpods approves of Titanfall. Truly a shame to see it go so early
So the problem with playing OG Xbox/360 games on the One/Series, is how Microsoft does emulation. They don't emulate the console per-se, it's more akin to opening up an old video editing project and re-exporting it. It gets re-compiled from the original source code into some in-between format that the console can run. The problem, is that this requires the original source to not be lost, and required permission from the publisher and developer. I'm not entirely sure if it counts as a re-release or not, even if you need the original disc to play. This is also the reason why you need to download the game and can't run it directly from the drive.
Frank can enjoy SSX 3 though. What more do you need than that?
I would to see wade go through a build a killer emulation set up for all of his retro games
Same, I'd love to see him (and maybe James too) get into having/building a retro thing!
When my Xbox 360 version of fallout new Vegas didn’t work on my series X I had little faith that anything ever would work
For everyone afraid of learning how to solder let me just say it is way easier than you think with a quick learning curve. Screw the big corporations and keep your old devices working so you don't end up a slave to the subscription!
#RightToRepair