🌟 What if both Jung and Buddha were right? Jung discovered the Self as the center of everything, while Buddha taught that no permanent self exists. Yet both paths led to freedom. Which perspective resonates more with your experience? Share your insights below - your unique view adds depth to this exploration. Let's learn from each other's journey. ✨ For deeper discussions: - What practices help you understand your true nature? - Has your view of "self" transformed over time? - How do you reconcile these seemingly opposite truths? Join our growing community of seekers and truth explorers! 🙏
I've come to believe that my Self is an illusion-- an illusion with incredible staying power. It's like the illusion of Free Will-- I can't help but think that I have it.
Jung was a social dictated sheep. Everyone was the harshest critics, and certain views could have you hanging from a tree. Jung was a governmental controlled. Was paid good money too.
I've always been attracted to the idea of no self. Western religion is so self involved, God looks like me, thinks like me, God has same polical party as me, I am going to live forever in paradise. The Abrahamic religions are a form of self worship because everyone projects themselves on to God and thinks they have it figured out. I like the idea of stripping the self down to the root, simplify life, letting go of what you can't control and be in the moment.
If you read the texts that abrahamic religions are based on, you’ll see the biggest issue is with the followers. Most self-proclaimed “Christians” for example, aren’t actually that well-versed in what the Bible actually teaches. When you write, “I like the idea of…”, there are many bible verses where Jesus and others are saying to do exactly what you liked. I don’t engage religion for the same reasons you don’t, but I love to read the Bible for myself. Don’t let the half-assed, politicized, self-serving opinions of mainstream Christians ruin the Bible for you. Jesus and the Buddha have a lot of ideas in common. Jesus and Krishna have a WHOLE lot of ideas in common(wink,wink to those who’ve studied this relationship). Looking closely at exactly what ideas were espoused by the fictional or nonfictional character known as Jesus…one could consider him a type of yogi…not very “western” at all.
As a former Christian and now a Theravada Buddhist practitioner for over 20 years; the very concept of a god is forign to me now. Most suffering comes from not being able to accept the way things are.
Before i ever went down the rabbithole of Buddhist teachings or Jung's ideas of self, i had this sort of intrusive epiphane about existence while watching my son play. With ordinary bubbles. All made of the same soapy water solution. All filled with the same air. All created essentially the from the same parts and same source. But clearly each retaining an individuality. Each bubble is its OWN bubble. Being formed at different times, slightly different sizes, travelling and interacting in different ways through the duration of their existence. All return to the same materials when they cease to exist. A bit of soapy water residue disspated to the environment and the air that filled it returned to its shapeless form, never really gone at all. I think thats a metaphor for our existence as well. We are all simultaneously all the same, only made individual by our experiences and specific physical embodiment. But when you learn to see beyond just the parts that make you yourself and see the parts that make you connected to everything, you free yourself from being trapped in a shell of individual existence and tap into the thing that fills us all and always exists, shapeless. Now, listening to this, i wonder about this idea i had. If bubbles had sentience, how would they describe what gives them a sense of self? And would they become so attached to those ideas that they would reject the notion of being a part of something greater than themselves?
i had an experience with bubbles once while high and was mesmerized by how profound they seemed. I only get high on life and art now but I am often looking for ways to express the metaphors for existance in art. It is so much easier to see our inner connectedness when we think about fish in water or birds in flight. It is harder to see the connectedness with us up walking around in space. I am an artist and recentely have been drawing and painting birds and I think part of my affinity is because of how much more connected birds seem as they fly through space
I study Jungian psychology and i asked my mentor how does it come that jung talks about growing your ego and in buddhism they talk about letting go of the ego. And he said to me, you can't let go of something that you are not holding. So to integrate our unconscious and growing our ego gives us the opportunity to let go.
It is also a matter of time. The western concept of self-improvement, self-fulfilmant, individuation, are vital for the first two decades. any philosophy that undemines that, as for example 'Original Sin', should be actively taught against.
That is exactly the point. Bravo. It seems your mentor, if he could apply all the wisdom he gained from this understanding, would be someone worth listening to when it comes to the cessation of suffering.
Growing the ego(learning that there is no attachement) leads us to the inner self, that finally is the No-Self connected to God/Superior Energy. The emptiness. We need the ego to go through that journey.
I've immersed myself in the teachings of Jung and The Buddha and found profound liberation and peace to be present. The overriding emotion I am left with is gratitude that two beings could devote themselves so wholeheartedly to conveying their insights to us; for this reason alone I love them.
Truth is both are true. The only challenge as flowing between selflessness and the self we are called to be to respond to the needs of others Rigidity is the error The self is a role not an identity #lifeisart ⚡️❤️💜💙⚡️
As a minister in the revolution and evolution of religion, here is my favorite Jung quote: "Life really does begin at 40; before that everything is just research." What I have come to believe, as someone who has lived 6 separate and distinct lives in this one body, is that we THINK way too much. There is no need for debate. We are each the sovereign center of our own universe. Namaste.
Self is eternally dynamic. No-self is eternally constant. Ego will suffer unimaginable horrors and unimaginable beauties. Non-ego will accept reality without resistance nor desire.
“To study the Buddha Way is to study the self; to study the self is to forget the self; to forget the self is to be actualized by myriad things" - Dogen
Fascinating concept of not attaching yourself to a fixed identity, one should be careful also, to not disregard elements of the past, that will be useful in the present and the future. Make them part of your ongoing process and let go of those that don’t help.
'I used to think I needed to be someone better, now I see there is no fixed self to improve, just an unfolding process to trust' oh mama that hit home. The unending loop of trying to outwit yourself which never ends
Thank you 🙏 this is a well-timed guide as I’ve been searching for balance of the many teachings available to us. As I heard the recording say ‘water bubbles’ my 4 year old son blew bubbles with his straw into his apple juice. I thanked the universe for this synchronicity and did a wee dance❤
This is the first time I’m hearing of a mandala and I used to draw those in the back of my notebook whenever I was unable to focus in school. I remember doing it almost religiously thinking it was just a cool way to draw a flower. Interesting.
Astonishing video - thank you. As someone navigating the seemingly separate and paradoxical worlds of depth psychology and mysticism, this video spoke to my heart and soul and (no)self💙
Glad you mentioned the authors who the young prince learned all his teachings from, the Upanishads, just like when Isous went 500 years later and learned from India. just like Schoppenhaur, and Alan Watts, and US!
This is my first video to watch in your channel. As someone interested in both Jung and Buddha teachings and striving for the answers to the profound questions we all ask ourselves, I can say you did a great job in this video. Although, I would like it more if i in-text citations to your references were used. By experience and accidentally, I think I’ve found the technique which integrates both approaches. I’m interested to be in touch and learn more together.
Thank you for creating and inspiring ! That which changes lives as many mysteries will be remembered. It is with channels like these that ignite the innate spark in us all. Truly love the essence that we can only be! Source energy embodied and manifested into flesh. 2016 i weighed 365lbs. 2022 to 280lbs to 2025 I am 157lbs. and every disease associated with morbid obesity. Thank you for share that wisdom that changes planets!😇😇😇
Being now in my 71st year of lifelong learning, experience, observation, creativity, understanding, re-examination 24/7 365. The self is both a conscious meta-physical memory of function and experience and a conscious physical memory of function and experience, a conscious cognoscentient being of changes and perpetuation forever in constant flux, a paradoxical irony, an entropological flow of 'good chaos' in a cosmic chaos of perpetual motion, of unbeginning unending beginnings and endings. Self is both within and without, collective and singular and as different as similar in a future now passing, the Eternal Returnity. Love always T
Hello, I love your guys videos. They really are helping me on my spiritual journey. I just have one question, where do you find the background music for your UA-cam videos, it's so relaxing.
When you've lived so long without anything then you become aware of freedom from material properties,but it is hard for those who have always had something to cling on to that they are scared of letting it go. Material versus immaterial.
i really enjoyed the video. I was just reading from murray stein in his book the mystey of transformation the chapter where he exactly compares enlightenment notions and jungs individuation. Where do you get the beautiful videos from?
Of course there is a self, your biology and physical experience through time makes your persona and personality unique. You decisions, how you talk, and how you conduct yourself is the self
That’s more what we call the ego, develops over time and creates the illusion of self. However the question you can ask is.. Who is experiencing all that? Where does smell go after the nose? What part can you say is the self? And lastly: when you were a day old, you had no physical experience, no thoughts, no decision. Was the 1 day old baby not yourself?
@Bleachdemon88 "Your decisions, how you talk, and how you conduct yourself is the self" ... So do those three things not change over time, and through different experiences? Does your body/biology stay the same? Do your experiences not change "you"? That you are unique at any point in time does not equate to a permanent self ... indeed our recognition that all things change over time points to the opposite. The concept of no self is not the same as having no identity. Sure, you have a name, a date of birth, other IDs. But there is no permanent rider on the horse, no fixed driver of the vehicle.
@ of course there is, whose biology and personality is ever changing? Is it your next door neighbor or is it you? The fact that we are unique at any given point indicates that there is a “driver” and we have the free will to change our opinions and there is a self. A rock or tree may change over time or our physical bodies may decay, and our personality does change over time but once we are gone that person’s accumulated knowledge and personality are gone. They may be material but that spark of life that is what made them “them” (their self) is gone. Everyone has a self, it is the unique perspective and personality traits, thought processes and numerous other things that makes each of us unique in a cognitive way
@@Babooshka47 of course it was, but me at a day old had only 1 day of lived experience so very limited. Where does the smell go after the nose? Your sense register that sensation and send the signal to the brain and whatever triggered the smell eventually dissipates to not register with our given senses. Even if you could not smell, the chemical reaction that triggered said smell would still exist. You (yourself) would not be able to experience it given a certain disability if you couldn’t smell.
@@Babooshka47 and you can’t call yourself a tangible “part” it is the culmination of your lived experiences at any given point in time, similar to your baby reference
There is a lot of wisdom in this video but I still think there is a fundamental discordance between both views. I love a lot of Buddhist principles but always found issue with a sense of dismissal of things like the Self being 'illusory'. What I really love about Jung is that he grapples with such ephemeral and potentially unbounded concepts and gives them flesh. The Self is not illusory just like the chariot is not illusory when you can't find it in the sum of its parts. This is a strange aspect of experience / consciousness but I think it speaks of something central to the human condition, rather than something to be dismissed as a misapprehension. The Self is real. But it expands and challenges what people tend to think 'real' means. But the nature of one's relationship to that Self might be at the heart of their suffering, and I think that's all a feature rather than a bug of the Jungian perspective 🖤
Actually Buddhism doesn’t reject anything, including the Self. Instead it encourages us not to get attached to any idea at all, including choosing a side between the Self or no-Self. When the Brahmins asked Buddha if there is a Self (which was the central belief of the Brahmins) he didn’t answer. In other words, according to Buddhism, there is neither a Self nor a non-self. What we glean from this (especially in the Diamond Sutra) is that the Buddha taught that we should avoid clinging to any and all concepts. As soon as you choose a side - Self or no-Self - you are no longer in truth. This is the Middle Way.
Psychology simply relies too much on referencing the mind through thoughts, and largely ignores the experience of no-thought. This allows it to sound more rational, more amenable to a modern audience, whether or not it paints a complete picture.
knowledge through experience is the way. einstein said that on existentialism, and psychology is in many ways a failed subject. It continues to harm society.
Arguing against this comment requires addressing its core claims with reason and evidence: 1. "Knowledge through experience is the way." While experience is a valuable source of knowledge, it’s not the only valid one. Knowledge derived from scientific methods, observation, experimentation, and collective analysis (as psychology often employs) is equally critical. Example: Modern medicine heavily relies on psychological research to understand and treat mental health issues. Without structured study beyond individual experience, we'd lack therapies like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), which is empirically effective for numerous disorders. Counterpoint: Experience is subjective and can lead to biases. Psychology provides a framework to systematize and interpret experiences in a way that transcends individual subjectivity. --- 2. "Einstein said that on existentialism." This claim appears fabricated or at least lacks clear attribution. Einstein rarely discussed existentialism and was more focused on physics, determinism, and the philosophy of science. His actual statements often celebrated the scientific method and the pursuit of knowledge across disciplines, including psychology. Einstein himself valued interdisciplinarity and the study of human behavior, stating, “The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self.” Counterpoint: Misusing Einstein’s authority weakens the argument and suggests a reliance on fallacious appeals to authority rather than valid reasoning. --- 3. "Psychology is in many ways a failed subject." Psychology is not without flaws, but labeling it a "failed subject" is an overgeneralization. The field has made significant contributions to understanding human behavior, improving mental health care, and optimizing various societal systems. Achievements: Psychological research has informed education systems (e.g., understanding learning disabilities). It’s foundational to modern therapy, improving the lives of millions. It aids industries like marketing, technology, and law enforcement. While certain areas (like early psychoanalysis) lacked empirical rigor, psychology has evolved into a data-driven science. Fields like neuroscience and cognitive psychology demonstrate its relevance and reliability. Counterpoint: The progression from flawed origins to a scientifically robust discipline disproves the idea that psychology is a failure. --- 4. "It continues to harm society." This is hyperbolic. While some psychological theories or practices have been misapplied (e.g., unethical experiments or over-reliance on pharmaceuticals), the field overall has provided more societal benefit than harm. For instance, psychological insights have reduced stigma around mental health, created frameworks for better interpersonal relationships, and even informed global policies for human well-being. The claim ignores the harm caused by ignoring psychological knowledge-such as untreated mental health disorders leading to societal costs like crime, suicide, or lost productivity. Counterpoint: The harm often stems from misusing psychology, not from the discipline itself. --- Conclusion: The commenter’s stance is based on unverified claims, misattributions, and overly simplistic criticisms. Psychology, like any science, is imperfect and evolving, but its contributions to society-especially when applied responsibly-far outweigh its limitations. To dismiss it as a "failed subject" is not only unsubstantiated but undermines the progress and understanding it has brought to human life. @@iniRasta420
1996 - I put down the mask that was never me, didn't know just who I was going to be, all I know for sure is: "I am not me." (I = the authentic individual, me - the persona) 2025 - After 30 years of uncovering the authentic "I" via musical improvisation and recording - then listening to the recording in an attempt to get a sense of the authentic I. It became clear that stylistic attributes in the song were merely persona. So the recordings progressed to be mostly archetypes with very very little or no style conveying them. The music bears a similarity to the post-rock genre but is not typical of it. At this juncture, age 72, my conclusion from this process of "getting out of the way" to record improvisation as a "mere messenger," just as Jackson Pollack threw paint, is this: "I am the ocean beneath the sea." I now identify with The Ocean beneath the sea. That's the I inside the me.
Is this a tautology? If you articulated archetypes, then observed them, of course you would conclude that you were an archetype at the nadir of your experience. You might want to try enlightenment instead of being the hammer that views reality as only nails. (However, the label you came up with is a magnificent metaphor for the nadir of your experience. So does this mean the wellspring of that Ocean beneath the sea is your Daimon?)
That fits. Is it a coincidence and/or correspondence that Jung thought a diamond was at the nadir of the Self because mandalas have them in the center? (diamond - daimon was the Roman/Latin spelling for the Greek's daemon, right?)
We are both things: In time - and- in infinite. In Time AND eternal. You can not chose one above the other. We are BOTH..Self AND selfless. Make your conscious conviction ACCEPT both..because YOU are both. Self and. Selfless. Temporal and eternal, at exactly the same 'Now'. Peace
I really enjoyed the question of who were you before your parents were born. Then immediately followed up, with the next question. Why does this cause your brain to search for answers that aren't supposed to be there and how do we know there is something to search for? It definitely makes me think pretty hard when it feels like there is an answer but I cannot seem to access it. It's also strange that I seem to feel like there is one?
Thank you for this Amazing insight into the synchronicity of Buddha’s and Yung’s teachings about “self” ❤. Being a psychology student [that I identify myself currently while also going through the process of individuation from unconscious to conscious] and an agnostic, I am very much fascinated and curious about the teachings of both enlightened beings. I would like to pursue research 🧐 on their experiences and apply towards so called - human psychological/ mental health conditions, which I think is merely a transformational phase to reach self-realisation! 😊 19:12
In Buddhism, the concept of our true nature exists even if we haven't realized it yet. This true nature is not a soul; hence, the emphasis on Anatta, which means the absence of a permanent self, because both body and mind are considered illusory. This true nature, which can be called "dharmakaya" or "atta," exists perfectly, never born or created, while the physical and mental aspects are Anatta.
Is mind illusory? Or is it beginningless and endless at some level? At what level discerning - like/not like/indifferent? Then another more analytical? And another ultimately empty and luminous ... ever present, just obscured? Maybe I'm just getting the idea of "mind" confused. In English, it is more related to Judeo-Christian history and scientific materialist thinking that the mind is the brain. Something continues, no? Some aspect of "consciousness" which is not illusory and yet not fixed. Help me out, please :)
What practices help with understanding my true nature…. Hmmm… meditation practice with an attitude of no expectation… which isn’t always very easy to adopt, because I can assume that there is a part of me that IS expectant. Immersion in nature, long walks with „no fixed direction“ just following the pull of my current desire (and paying attention to what that is). Creative activity… painting, following the flow of light and water and my hands desire to express or make marks… Meeting people in my work… learning to recognise the collective moods and felt sense of the environment and working with the energy and not against it (when possible) trying also to notice when I resist. Noticing resistance in myself, how it feels in body/ mind/ spirit/ emotions… and adopting a kind attitude an encouraging presence, like a parent to the child within me.
To equate self-individuation with 'enlightenent' is to ignore that western theories of sel-fulfilment or individuation really depend on affirming the ego-construction of an individual for their first two decades at minimum. Buddhism teaches the deconstruction of the mature ego ( ( seen as the integrated self ).
This is actually taught in Buddhism aswell, although I don’t remember the exact words of where to find them. The best example I have is how people travel to become munks and “find themselves”. Yet get told to first do something that’s worth giving up. People with no accomplishments can often be turned down because they can not understand what it is to give up what they have
"In time, with sufficient acceptance, repentance, and faithful conduct, one might at last escape the iron bonds of history and achieve nirvana, the freedom of nothingness. Meanwhile, this ego, and what we consider this current life, is never more than a wafer bobbing in the vast inner sea of the unconscious, and upon a much larger milky sea of the cosmos." - James Hollis
So, I have been on a journey for a little over a year. In the beginning I experiecend what I would later discover to be a "long dark night of the soul". Shortly after a trashy therapist would introduce me to Jung. I would also start studying Buddhism again, after twenty years. As I walked on this path, I am weaving Shadow Work and Buddhist fundementals together as a part of my recovery. The other days I started wondering, how am I using these two seperate concepts to make more sense of my perspective? Suddenly there is this video, haha! As Ram Dass would say, "You have to become somebody before you become nobody."
I've had a similar experience over the last year. I understand these two views to mean that the self is a construct, not a given, permanent, eternal thing. So, if it _is_ a construct, it was constructed. That means it can be deconstructed and reconstructed. And that means we have a real chance to fix things that went wrong the first time around. I find some solace in this way of understanding the self ... _my_ self. Of course, this doesn't explain _what_ is doing the constructing, deconstructing, and reconstructing. And that gives me pause ... a _long_ pause. You?
The "enlightened one" has understood what I call "cinema in the head", when that storm has calmed down to not thinking, free of emotions, like in deep meditative state, one realizes that the "world" is a construct of the mind perceiving endless information via the 5 senses, once we are able to withdraw from these floods, we can realize that there is just the sensation of being pure awareness witnessing the myriads of events unfolding!
_"These different vocabularies sometimes mask their shared understanding"_ There have been countless _apparent_ "disagreements" - some trivial, some aggressive, and some outright violent - where both parties _actually agree_ and are simply using different definitions. Any time you see a disagreement (or better yet, before it even arises) define terms. We could refer to a supernova as a "burrito" and still have a meaningful discussion about stars as long as we're on the same page. Words are just pointers, and infinitely limited ones at that; what's important is the underlying ideas. A rose by any other name and all 🙂 Be well ❤
In Eastern Orthodoxy we have a communal ontology where a person is not an isolated ego, but something defined in relation to other things. The ultimate reality of God is three persons sharing one nature. Three perspectives with one will and mind.
Why are some people in the media saying that Jung was a charlatan. I don't think we can really understand Buddhism by intellectual means, Buddhism emphasises direct experience. The cultivation of mindfulness and concentration plus kindness, compassion and generosity are very important to the Buddhist path. I think cultivating mindfulness is key. The Buddhist definition of mindfulness is to be aware without judging, or pay close attention without judging. One Buddhist meditation practice is translated as mindfulness of breathing or paying attention to the breath
Agreed. maybe some people are still attached to an image of self that can re-birth in another body. This despite all training to detatch from ego and judgement of others.
Jung's work is incomplete, he didn't get past the emotional memory, So he does not know how to complete the Circle, And left everyone else wondering about the end game ,so to speak, thus open to being called a fake
When we chose self we are selfish. When we chose no-self we are selfless. We must be equal of mind and be a altruistic soul. Loving all as we would ourselves if we were in others shoes, reflecting our love back into the world. ♾️☀️♥️✌️🌈
With all due respect to Mr Jung and any Buddhist, Vedanta is one of the most detailed and practical Spiritual teachings. Any! Questions One may have about Our Existence Vedanta has practical answers. Vedanta is a treasure for humanity in my humble opinion. Nameste to everyone.
@@69bungo unfortunately Vedanta predates Buddhism. But it’s beside the point it’s about a practical solution to a complex question about Our existence that Vedanta is reliable in providing solutions too.
i just asked chat gpt "imagine you are kg jung and buddha now discuss a topic you are most passionate about." so its exactly what it did :) makes you wonder.
Once i let everything go, absolutely everything... I found myself submerged in a state of no need. When you have the feeling that you need nothing, then is when you have reached completeness. I keep trying to find my way back to that state and sometimes I wish I would have stayed there, but I had to come back to live the rest of my life... As Jesus said, if you want to follow me, leave everything
This is excellent. The idea of Self as process rather than identity matches my own experience. I came to this view outside of any religion or psychology in an effort to address dissociation - I needed coherence, and so Jung’s “totality” and Buddha’s no-self didn’t help intellectually, and the intellect is all you have at the beginning to get started. But Marie Louise Von Franz, who worked closely with Jung, writes of the Self as “a self-renewing phenomenon” and this, together with a way to find a centre of coherence, is consistent with my own experience. I can now see both Jung’s and the Buddhas points of view, but they were not great starting points in my own process towards health and wholeness and they are not the whole story; the whole story will include an understanding of dissociation, and so on.
Different paths to the Truth. IMHO, Buddha got the final realization, but the Journey made by Jung is impressive and helpful. There is no need to "reconcile" Buddha and Jung. What is needed is introspection.
Paradox is often found in spiritual matters. My take is that we have a core self which has individualised out of the Universal Mind. This core self manifests and builds a changing personality in each life. Persona means a mask. So the self is changing over lives so in that sense is not permanent . But re-incarnation and karma make little sense unless there is something which endures. At enlightenment that self is absorbed back into the Universal.
To try to find yourself...is like.. Trying to find a needle in the dark 🌑🌑 Just can't be done 🙏❤️ So to find that needle...(self) Turn on the light 🕯️🕯️ It might help...?
@@iniRasta420that time hinduism does not exist, during lord buddha there was 62 philosophies in lndia. Buddha taught by one of them teachers Alara kalam the non vedik Or Samkhya teacher , latter he attained enlightenment by own doing hard meditation. Dont spread propaganda
When deeply examining the true nature of being, as in the Buddha light, Buddha found that there was a great contradiction such as what you’re describing. Later as he gained more illumination into this subject, he found that it was not contradictory at all, but that the Truth carries both sides and many sides thereby understanding that Truth is a paradox and holds all sides of the Sphere. The realized person, whether a Buddhist or not, realizes that it is correct to say “It is and It is not.” As words contain negative and positive charges, so does Truth. The ancients as well as the mystics, certain Buddhists, Sufis, Yogis, eventually go beyond the beyond, like Buddha-like Krishna-like other luminaries who have found Truth. Not all people in any belief, faith, religion or philosophy, find the truth. It is an individual endeavor and may be graced with the full capacity. Truth, Enlightenment, Psychology, whatever the belief, it is the same Truth, but individually experienced. There may be similar or commonality, but it is also unique. The Hindus say “I am in the Fullness” and the Buddhists say “I am in Emptiness”. It means the same. Followers abound, but every person can draw the Truth to themselves by looking in the right place: the Heart’s Soul. There is no need to follow any one illuminated person, because one can find the Soul’s Heart by looking within with the eyes of the Soulistic Heart or Heartful of Soul. Words fail, doctrines fail, “ism’s” fail-illumination is experienced in a unique, individual way. No need to follow, but if one follows, eventually, at some point, the destination appears as being able to find Truth at any time, any where.
I am answering this question according to the apprach of psychology and history. When I study the indian history, I realises that before 8th century, india believes in no self, this approach toward the life make the india a global superpower in the world. But after the 8th century, india belives in self i.e., bramh by archarya shankar and ego by indian people, this will lead toward the globsl superpower converting into global slave. You will see what will happen after the 8th century. India history is a reminder to all the superpowers of the world that never take any decision on the basis on the ego. Always take ever from the centre of no self.
A consciousness only ever experiences the thoughts and feelings (body sensations) that it's shown. We think we're a little person in our own heads, piloting ourselves around, but what would make that person go left or go right, or choose anything? Will. The feeling/thought in any given moment that says "I want to go this way, not that way." And you don't choose to have that thought. You can't choose any thought. You thinking "Now I'm gonna think about XYZ" is you already thinking about it. This sounds nuts but it's true. And that means you can't escape your conscience either: it's not up to you that you judge everything (including yourself) in some version of good/bad, nor that you're gonna be wrong sometimes (often) in your judgments, both unknowingly and knowingly. Your will is not up to you: it's not up to anyone (hence it's free). If you were to choose will, it would just be more will expressing itself, since will IS preference, IS choice. It's not up to you, not because eventually it COULD be up to you, but because it's never up to anyone, not even God. Again, because consciousness doesn't choose thought/will/preference. It never could, since choosing is expressing preference you don't decide. What if God could make anything happen with the snap of his fingers? (maybe He can, for the sake of the argument). What would He do? Whatever He wanted. But not what He didn't want. Thus God is 'limited' by his will. This is not to diminish God, this is to show that nothing can choose will: will is the Tao, the way, the course, the pattern that life does, in every moment. God 'the Father'... father = pattern (pater), and we are experiencing the 'forming / patterning' of God, which is existence. It's literally everything. Not in a woo woo way, but since atoms aren't actually atoms... they're not shells with protons, neutrons, electrons inside. There's no shell. It's just the buzzing protons, neutrons, electrons in their patterns. But even the protons, neutrons, electrons... they're not actually little spherical shells with stuff inside, either. They're JUST the patterns inside (quarks, mesons, energy waves), dancing around giving the appearance, when zoomed back a little, of some 'sub-atomic particle.' It finally hit me: there's no 'stuff' at the bottom at all. Aka, you never could get down to the bottom where something is finally made of 'stuff.' It's just smaller and smaller forms, which are made of smaller forms, but never matter. And thus it's space itself that is being formed. What? Imagine laying a napkin flat on a table. Now pinch the napkin in a spot so it sticks up like a nipple. The nipple you can see - it's a 'thing/object' of its own in your head, but it's really just bunched napkin. Reality is like this: space is the napkin, and where it's been bunched, energized, or something (the specifics don't matter so much tbh), then suddenly there's something doing a pattern (an atom, for ex), which is interactive, where there was just space before. I'm not saying atoms appear out of nowhere. I have no idea how they come into being. I'm saying that once they're here atoms ARE space. Everything is only space, bunched and visible and interactive. And thus everything is unity, and God. But completely out of your control. And thus not up to you that you have a conscience (you can't outwit your feelings, even when they're wrong), nor that you'll fail daily at things, nor up to you that you can or can't accept anything I've just written. You're playing out God's dream. Dreaming He's separate from Himself. Because will is free and unchosen, as it must always be (because no consciousness could ever choose what it's going to think next). So relax (though it's not up to you if you do). And maybe start putting your mind on all the muscle/tissue tension throughout your body: all the tension (anxiety) that builds from thinking "I have to choose what I'm going to do next and I don't exactly know what to do and I'm gonna die at the end of life." The tension (it's vague pain) somewhere in your body and every time you're nervous or scared, you'll feel those tissues clench, seize, and the vague pain that comes. This time (and forever, from now on) dare yourself to feel the pain: spend time holding your mind on the tension, while reminding yourself that it's not up to you what you do next. Never has been. Your whole life has been this way and you've gotten this far. So relax, if you can. Nothing is up to you. And so you can begin to trust (true faith). Trust that grows seeing something you've never seen before: nothing is up to anyone, and yet it all still means. We learn, but it's not up to us that we do. So tell yourself that, the truth, and see what happens. So, re: this video... the 'self' is unity (it's all bunched space/God and only ever could be). Including the fact that you're feeling yourself as a separate self in the moment. So do you exist as a separate self? The feeling of you does, and it's God having that feeling. But you're not in control. There are always consequences (they're not up to you either). It all still has meaning (you feel meaning, every single moment). So begone, nihilism. Meditate on truth: unity, no control. And watch who you become in the moments you remember: as the Tao says, "Kindhearted as a grandmother. Dignified as a king." Then you'll watch yourself be an asshole again just to remind you you're not in control :)
I agree with most of what you say, but I don’t have the same conclusion. What you explain as Will is what we consider the subconscious, we can’t directly change it, but with awareness the will changes. You can’t create will, but you can realize something that creates will. For example in addiction, a lot of people simply don’t want to quit, why would they? They don’t have a reason, hence not a will, to quit. And most that successfully quit so so because they become aware of what matters, and realize that the addiction is holding that back. That’s when they suddenly want to quit, it’s not a choice, it’s not willpower or strength, it’s a will. But ultimately (imo) a will isn’t what defines. It’s simply a product of what’s experienced
Understanding the “Self” in Buddhism has always been subject to interpretation and debate. My view, after practicing and studying Buddhism for 15 years, is that the Buddhist core concept of “Non-Self” has two meanings: The first is the concept of detachment, where we let go of personal gratification and recognize we are part of a mass of humanity, and all in this struggle together, leading to the notion that helping each other is not only mutually beneficial, but psychologically liberating. The second meaning is the notion that the “Self” is ever changing, meaning not permanent, and as such, doesn’t exist. This is incorrect in my opinion. The reality is the ever changing self is essentially an expanding Self, consisting of the aggregate knowledge and wisdom developed over time, but is in fact a specific entity, albeit simply a collection of mental perceptions, right and wrong. This validates both views of Buddhism and jungian psychology.
I think a lot of misunderstanding stems from terminology. Jung talked about great Self, the Buddha didn't deny it, in fact Mahayana schools teach about Buddha Nature/Mind/Emptiness which is parallel to Jung's Self.
Your last section touched on the very concept of the Santa Dharma's very profound concept... " everything is Maya"..... The deepest truth is everything you see, feel, sense, taste, experience is Maya. Once you understand this, and the true goal of the Atman (Brahman) is to unite with the Parabrahman, then it becomes very clear to detach oneself (ego). But being here, being conscious, means do live.... meaning do your duty (karma) without expecting rewards and live as required by Dharma. As, I mentioned in the previous post, the west has no fundamental grasp of such concepts and attempts to simplify it, leads to untruths
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Schrodinger's Self. It does and doesn't exist
Buddha was born in Nepal.
2:50 Henry Cavill?
I've come to believe that my Self is an illusion-- an illusion with incredible staying power. It's like the illusion of Free Will-- I can't help but think that I have it.
Jung was a social dictated sheep.
Everyone was the harshest critics, and certain views could have you hanging from a tree.
Jung was a governmental controlled. Was paid good money too.
I've always been attracted to the idea of no self. Western religion is so self involved, God looks like me, thinks like me, God has same polical party as me, I am going to live forever in paradise. The Abrahamic religions are a form of self worship because everyone projects themselves on to God and thinks they have it figured out. I like the idea of stripping the self down to the root, simplify life, letting go of what you can't control and be in the moment.
Touché
Great comment 👍.
Perhaps it stems from your shortcoming of accepting your self ?
It's about knowing self in order to become self aware and not fall victim to the self@@lucasloucetios164
If you read the texts that abrahamic religions are based on, you’ll see the biggest issue is with the followers. Most self-proclaimed “Christians” for example, aren’t actually that well-versed in what the Bible actually teaches. When you write, “I like the idea of…”, there are many bible verses where Jesus and others are saying to do exactly what you liked. I don’t engage religion for the same reasons you don’t, but I love to read the Bible for myself. Don’t let the half-assed, politicized, self-serving opinions of mainstream Christians ruin the Bible for you. Jesus and the Buddha have a lot of ideas in common. Jesus and Krishna have a WHOLE lot of ideas in common(wink,wink to those who’ve studied this relationship). Looking closely at exactly what ideas were espoused by the fictional or nonfictional character known as Jesus…one could consider him a type of yogi…not very “western” at all.
As a former Christian and now a Theravada Buddhist practitioner for over 20 years; the very concept of a god is forign to me now. Most suffering comes from not being able to accept the way things are.
Yes, it's our miasma of thoughts and interpretations that obscures how things actually are.
Where would you suggest I go to start practicing Theravada Buddhism ?
@@tjnelson2143 ajahn amaro, go get it.
read book, what buddha taught, by walpola.
You design things. Whats so absurd about something else designing you?
Before i ever went down the rabbithole of Buddhist teachings or Jung's ideas of self, i had this sort of intrusive epiphane about existence while watching my son play.
With ordinary bubbles.
All made of the same soapy water solution. All filled with the same air.
All created essentially the from the same parts and same source.
But clearly each retaining an individuality. Each bubble is its OWN bubble.
Being formed at different times, slightly different sizes, travelling and interacting in different ways through the duration of their existence.
All return to the same materials when they cease to exist. A bit of soapy water residue disspated to the environment and the air that filled it returned to its shapeless form, never really gone at all.
I think thats a metaphor for our existence as well.
We are all simultaneously all the same, only made individual by our experiences and specific physical embodiment.
But when you learn to see beyond just the parts that make you yourself and see the parts that make you connected to everything, you free yourself from being trapped in a shell of individual existence and tap into the thing that fills us all and always exists, shapeless.
Now, listening to this, i wonder about this idea i had.
If bubbles had sentience, how would they describe what gives them a sense of self? And would they become so attached to those ideas that they would reject the notion of being a part of something greater than themselves?
My friend also presented the bubble theory to me
@AsianburnsForlife 😲 I didn't know this was an idea that had a name.
This was just something that came to me while watching my kid play with bubbles.
I love this.
And I appreciate the depth of your perception.
Spectacular persepccion of the infinite thought of self. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
i had an experience with bubbles once while high and was mesmerized by how profound they seemed. I only get high on life and art now but I am often looking for ways to express the metaphors for existance in art. It is so much easier to see our inner connectedness when we think about fish in water or birds in flight. It is harder to see the connectedness with us up walking around in space. I am an artist and recentely have been drawing and painting birds and I think part of my affinity is because of how much more connected birds seem as they fly through space
I’m really impressed by how you explain Buddhist lessons in such an accessible and insightful way. Thank you
I study Jungian psychology and i asked my mentor how does it come that jung talks about growing your ego and in buddhism they talk about letting go of the ego.
And he said to me, you can't let go of something that you are not holding.
So to integrate our unconscious and growing our ego gives us the opportunity to let go.
It is also a matter of time. The western concept of self-improvement, self-fulfilmant,
individuation, are vital for the first two decades. any philosophy that undemines that,
as for example 'Original Sin', should be actively taught against.
That is exactly the point. Bravo. It seems your mentor, if he could apply all the wisdom he gained from this understanding, would be someone worth listening to when it comes to the cessation of suffering.
Growing the ego(learning that there is no attachement) leads us to the inner self, that finally is the No-Self connected to God/Superior Energy. The emptiness. We need the ego to go through that journey.
I can't imagine that Jung's conceptualization of the Ego and the Buddhist conceptualization of the Ego are the exact same thing
I've immersed myself in the teachings of Jung and The Buddha and found profound liberation and peace to be present. The overriding emotion I am left with is gratitude that two beings could devote themselves so wholeheartedly to conveying their insights to us; for this reason alone I love them.
I have been holding my breath, waiting for this essay for decades. At last it’s come.❤
As a psychologist I’m rather Yung at heart, but found the truth in Buddhist teaching and Jhanna meditation. This a beautiful presentation indeed.
Truth is both are true.
The only challenge as flowing between selflessness and the self we are called to be to respond to the needs of others
Rigidity is the error
The self is a role not an identity
#lifeisart
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You really triggered my ego misspelling Jung as a psychologist…
How do you misspell Jung as a psychologist??
As a minister in the revolution and evolution of religion, here is my favorite Jung quote: "Life really does begin at 40; before that everything is just research." What I have come to believe, as someone who has lived 6 separate and distinct lives in this one body, is that we THINK way too much. There is no need for debate. We are each the sovereign center of our own universe. Namaste.
Thanks!
Self is eternally dynamic. No-self is eternally constant. Ego will suffer unimaginable horrors and unimaginable beauties. Non-ego will accept reality without resistance nor desire.
“To study the Buddha Way is to study the self; to study the self is to forget the self; to forget the self is to be actualized by myriad things" - Dogen
Fascinating concept of not attaching yourself to a fixed identity, one should be careful also, to not disregard elements of the past, that will be useful in the present and the future. Make them part of your ongoing process and let go of those that don’t help.
Thank you for sharing these profound teachings, helping me understand more about Buddhism!
Our appreciation! Wonderful episode!❤
'I used to think I needed to be someone better, now I see there is no fixed self to improve, just an unfolding process to trust' oh mama that hit home. The unending loop of trying to outwit yourself which never ends
Thank you 🙏 this is a well-timed guide as I’ve been searching for balance of the many teachings available to us. As I heard the recording say ‘water bubbles’ my 4 year old son blew bubbles with his straw into his apple juice. I thanked the universe for this synchronicity and did a wee dance❤
This is the first time I’m
hearing of a mandala and I used to draw those in the back of my notebook whenever I was unable to focus in school.
I remember doing it almost religiously thinking it was just a cool way to draw a flower. Interesting.
Same!
Astonishing video - thank you. As someone navigating the seemingly separate and paradoxical worlds of depth psychology and mysticism, this video spoke to my heart and soul and (no)self💙
Precious content. Thank you.
There is no Self-Separate, but there is a Self-Unity.
tat van asi
No for budhism. There is neither
Very interesting! Thank you 🙏🏼
Om Mani Padme Hum 💛
I didn't know about the Shopenhauer connection. Makes sense. Thanks!
Profound. Powerful. This echoes things I have felt without having the language to describe it, even to myself.
While I was thinking about myself, my cat walked up. I think he wants food.
Those who have ears hear
O wonderfully done, thank you! I knew Jung resonated with Lao Tze and Upanishads but this is new information for me . . . Well done!!! Happy.
Glad you mentioned the authors who the young prince learned all his teachings from, the Upanishads, just like when Isous went 500 years later and learned from India. just like Schoppenhaur, and Alan Watts, and US!
And eternal gratitude for all teachers
Incredible! Thank you!❤
This is my first video to watch in your channel. As someone interested in both Jung and Buddha teachings and striving for the answers to the profound questions we all ask ourselves, I can say you did a great job in this video. Although, I would like it more if i in-text citations to your references were used.
By experience and accidentally, I think I’ve found the technique which integrates both approaches. I’m interested to be in touch and learn more together.
Thank you for creating and inspiring ! That which changes lives as many mysteries will be remembered. It is with channels like these that ignite the innate spark in us all. Truly love the essence that we can only be! Source energy embodied and manifested into flesh. 2016 i weighed 365lbs. 2022 to 280lbs to 2025 I am 157lbs. and every disease associated with morbid obesity. Thank you for share that wisdom that changes planets!😇😇😇
Thank you for this impactful video. You have provided me pathways not previously recognized as I navigate the next part of my journey.
i loved this video. thank you. i love jung and buddha. awesome to see their philosophies tied together like this.
Being now in my 71st year of lifelong learning, experience, observation, creativity, understanding, re-examination 24/7 365.
The self is both a conscious meta-physical memory of function and experience and a conscious physical memory of function and experience, a conscious cognoscentient being of changes and perpetuation forever in constant flux, a paradoxical irony, an entropological flow of 'good chaos' in a cosmic chaos of perpetual motion, of unbeginning unending beginnings and endings.
Self is both within and without, collective and singular and as different as similar in a future now passing, the Eternal Returnity.
Love always T
Wow this is so insightful and VERY well done, thank you!
If you don't identify with anything, you're connected to everything.
Hello, I love your guys videos. They really are helping me on my spiritual journey. I just have one question, where do you find the background music for your UA-cam videos, it's so relaxing.
Thank you. Joined alot of dots. ❤🎉
A wonderful essay. I know that there’s a wise wise person behind all this. ❤
I feel that the truth resides in the precise centre of the tension between two seemingly opposite things....self isn't real, but neither is no-self.
Excellent work. Well done. The act of letting go made me find peace. Thanks.
Beautifully done, thank you 🙏🏻
Worth reflecting on!
When you've lived so long without anything then you become aware of freedom from material properties,but it is hard for those who have always had something to cling on to that they are scared of letting it go. Material versus immaterial.
i really enjoyed the video. I was just reading from murray stein in his book the mystey of transformation the chapter where he exactly compares enlightenment notions and jungs individuation. Where do you get the beautiful videos from?
Of course there is a self, your biology and physical experience through time makes your persona and personality unique. You decisions, how you talk, and how you conduct yourself is the self
That’s more what we call the ego, develops over time and creates the illusion of self. However the question you can ask is.. Who is experiencing all that? Where does smell go after the nose? What part can you say is the self?
And lastly: when you were a day old, you had no physical experience, no thoughts, no decision. Was the 1 day old baby not yourself?
@Bleachdemon88 "Your decisions, how you talk, and how you conduct yourself is the self" ... So do those three things not change over time, and through different experiences? Does your body/biology stay the same? Do your experiences not change "you"? That you are unique at any point in time does not equate to a permanent self ... indeed our recognition that all things change over time points to the opposite.
The concept of no self is not the same as having no identity. Sure, you have a name, a date of birth, other IDs. But there is no permanent rider on the horse, no fixed driver of the vehicle.
@ of course there is, whose biology and personality is ever changing? Is it your next door neighbor or is it you? The fact that we are unique at any given point indicates that there is a “driver” and we have the free will to change our opinions and there is a self. A rock or tree may change over time or our physical bodies may decay, and our personality does change over time but once we are gone that person’s accumulated knowledge and personality are gone. They may be material but that spark of life that is what made them “them” (their self) is gone. Everyone has a self, it is the unique perspective and personality traits, thought processes and numerous other things that makes each of us unique in a cognitive way
@@Babooshka47 of course it was, but me at a day old had only 1 day of lived experience so very limited. Where does the smell go after the nose? Your sense register that sensation and send the signal to the brain and whatever triggered the smell eventually dissipates to not register with our given senses. Even if you could not smell, the chemical reaction that triggered said smell would still exist. You (yourself) would not be able to experience it given a certain disability if you couldn’t smell.
@@Babooshka47 and you can’t call yourself a tangible “part” it is the culmination of your lived experiences at any given point in time, similar to your baby reference
What program do you use for video editing? Its so neat. :)
That was impressive
The way you brought seemingly opposite views into one
Very insightful
I really enjoyed that
There is a lot of wisdom in this video but I still think there is a fundamental discordance between both views. I love a lot of Buddhist principles but always found issue with a sense of dismissal of things like the Self being 'illusory'.
What I really love about Jung is that he grapples with such ephemeral and potentially unbounded concepts and gives them flesh. The Self is not illusory just like the chariot is not illusory when you can't find it in the sum of its parts. This is a strange aspect of experience / consciousness but I think it speaks of something central to the human condition, rather than something to be dismissed as a misapprehension.
The Self is real. But it expands and challenges what people tend to think 'real' means. But the nature of one's relationship to that Self might be at the heart of their suffering, and I think that's all a feature rather than a bug of the Jungian perspective 🖤
Actually Buddhism doesn’t reject anything, including the Self. Instead it encourages us not to get attached to any idea at all, including choosing a side between the Self or no-Self. When the Brahmins asked Buddha if there is a Self (which was the central belief of the Brahmins) he didn’t answer. In other words, according to Buddhism, there is neither a Self nor a non-self. What we glean from this (especially in the Diamond Sutra) is that the Buddha taught that we should avoid clinging to any and all concepts. As soon as you choose a side - Self or no-Self - you are no longer in truth. This is the Middle Way.
@@rodblues6832well written! Thank you! The middle way ! There is a book called The Middle Way.
Psychology simply relies too much on referencing the mind through thoughts, and largely ignores the experience of no-thought. This allows it to sound more rational, more amenable to a modern audience, whether or not it paints a complete picture.
knowledge through experience is the way. einstein said that on existentialism, and psychology is in many ways a failed subject. It continues to harm society.
Arguing against this comment requires addressing its core claims with reason and evidence:
1. "Knowledge through experience is the way."
While experience is a valuable source of knowledge, it’s not the only valid one. Knowledge derived from scientific methods, observation, experimentation, and collective analysis (as psychology often employs) is equally critical.
Example: Modern medicine heavily relies on psychological research to understand and treat mental health issues. Without structured study beyond individual experience, we'd lack therapies like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), which is empirically effective for numerous disorders.
Counterpoint: Experience is subjective and can lead to biases. Psychology provides a framework to systematize and interpret experiences in a way that transcends individual subjectivity.
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2. "Einstein said that on existentialism."
This claim appears fabricated or at least lacks clear attribution. Einstein rarely discussed existentialism and was more focused on physics, determinism, and the philosophy of science. His actual statements often celebrated the scientific method and the pursuit of knowledge across disciplines, including psychology.
Einstein himself valued interdisciplinarity and the study of human behavior, stating, “The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self.”
Counterpoint: Misusing Einstein’s authority weakens the argument and suggests a reliance on fallacious appeals to authority rather than valid reasoning.
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3. "Psychology is in many ways a failed subject."
Psychology is not without flaws, but labeling it a "failed subject" is an overgeneralization. The field has made significant contributions to understanding human behavior, improving mental health care, and optimizing various societal systems.
Achievements:
Psychological research has informed education systems (e.g., understanding learning disabilities).
It’s foundational to modern therapy, improving the lives of millions.
It aids industries like marketing, technology, and law enforcement.
While certain areas (like early psychoanalysis) lacked empirical rigor, psychology has evolved into a data-driven science. Fields like neuroscience and cognitive psychology demonstrate its relevance and reliability.
Counterpoint: The progression from flawed origins to a scientifically robust discipline disproves the idea that psychology is a failure.
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4. "It continues to harm society."
This is hyperbolic. While some psychological theories or practices have been misapplied (e.g., unethical experiments or over-reliance on pharmaceuticals), the field overall has provided more societal benefit than harm.
For instance, psychological insights have reduced stigma around mental health, created frameworks for better interpersonal relationships, and even informed global policies for human well-being.
The claim ignores the harm caused by ignoring psychological knowledge-such as untreated mental health disorders leading to societal costs like crime, suicide, or lost productivity.
Counterpoint: The harm often stems from misusing psychology, not from the discipline itself.
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Conclusion:
The commenter’s stance is based on unverified claims, misattributions, and overly simplistic criticisms. Psychology, like any science, is imperfect and evolving, but its contributions to society-especially when applied responsibly-far outweigh its limitations. To dismiss it as a "failed subject" is not only unsubstantiated but undermines the progress and understanding it has brought to human life.
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1996 - I put down the mask that was never me, didn't know just who I was going to be, all I know for sure is: "I am not me." (I = the authentic individual, me - the persona) 2025 - After 30 years of uncovering the authentic "I" via musical improvisation and recording - then listening to the recording in an attempt to get a sense of the authentic I. It became clear that stylistic attributes in the song were merely persona. So the recordings progressed to be mostly archetypes with very very little or no style conveying them.
The music bears a similarity to the post-rock genre but is not typical of it. At this juncture, age 72, my conclusion from this process of "getting out of the way" to record improvisation as a "mere messenger," just as Jackson Pollack threw paint, is this: "I am the ocean beneath the sea." I now identify with The Ocean beneath the sea. That's the I inside the me.
Dude, didn't Dr. Jung say that identifying with an archetype leads to inflation, and maybe even as far as insanity?
Is this a tautology? If you articulated archetypes, then observed them, of course you would conclude that you were an archetype at the nadir of your experience.
You might want to try enlightenment instead of being the hammer that views reality as only nails. (However, the label you came up with is a magnificent metaphor for the nadir of your experience. So does this mean the wellspring of that Ocean beneath the sea is your Daimon?)
That fits. Is it a coincidence and/or correspondence that Jung thought a diamond was at the nadir of the Self because mandalas have them in the center? (diamond - daimon was the Roman/Latin spelling for the Greek's daemon, right?)
Man. This is so cool because I've always thought this would be a great topic 😊
Very nice!
loved it❤
We are both things: In time - and- in infinite. In Time AND eternal. You can not chose one above the other. We are BOTH..Self AND selfless. Make your conscious conviction ACCEPT both..because
YOU are both. Self and. Selfless. Temporal and eternal, at exactly the same 'Now'. Peace
That's quite a fortunate graphic there in the beginning: we are nothing but "tentacles" of the superior self. :)
I really enjoyed the question of who were you before your parents were born.
Then immediately followed up, with the next question. Why does this cause your brain to search for answers that aren't supposed to be there and how do we know there is something to search for?
It definitely makes me think pretty hard when it feels like there is an answer but I cannot seem to access it. It's also strange that I seem to feel like there is one?
Blessed be the One who finds the Self, which is neither self or no self, or could be said to be Wholeness when 2 become 1. 🙏
🧘🏾♀️🧘🏼♂️🧘🏿.. non-dualism .. balance.. impermanence.. middle-way ..non-judgement ..🧘🏿🧘🏼♂️🧘🏾♀️
Thank you for this Amazing insight into the synchronicity of Buddha’s and Yung’s teachings about “self” ❤.
Being a psychology student [that I identify myself currently while also going through the process of individuation from unconscious to conscious] and an agnostic, I am very much fascinated and curious about the teachings of both enlightened beings.
I would like to pursue research 🧐 on their experiences and apply towards so called - human psychological/ mental health conditions, which I think is merely a transformational phase to reach self-realisation! 😊 19:12
In Buddhism, the concept of our true nature exists even if we haven't realized it yet. This true nature is not a soul; hence, the emphasis on Anatta, which means the absence of a permanent self, because both body and mind are considered illusory. This true nature, which can be called "dharmakaya" or "atta," exists perfectly, never born or created, while the physical and mental aspects are Anatta.
Is mind illusory? Or is it beginningless and endless at some level? At what level discerning - like/not like/indifferent? Then another more analytical? And another ultimately empty and luminous ... ever present, just obscured? Maybe I'm just getting the idea of "mind" confused. In English, it is more related to Judeo-Christian history and scientific materialist thinking that the mind is the brain. Something continues, no? Some aspect of "consciousness" which is not illusory and yet not fixed. Help me out, please :)
What practices help with understanding my true nature…. Hmmm… meditation practice with an attitude of no expectation… which isn’t always very easy to adopt, because I can assume that there is a part of me that IS expectant.
Immersion in nature, long walks with „no fixed direction“ just following the pull of my current desire (and paying attention to what that is).
Creative activity… painting, following the flow of light and water and my hands desire to express or make marks…
Meeting people in my work… learning to recognise the collective moods and felt sense of the environment and working with the energy and not against it (when possible) trying also to notice when I resist.
Noticing resistance in myself, how it feels in body/ mind/ spirit/ emotions… and adopting a kind attitude an encouraging presence, like a parent to the child within me.
To equate self-individuation with 'enlightenent' is to ignore that western theories of sel-fulfilment or individuation really depend on affirming the ego-construction of an individual for their first two decades at minimum.
Buddhism teaches the deconstruction of the mature ego ( ( seen as the integrated self ).
This is actually taught in Buddhism aswell, although I don’t remember the exact words of where to find them. The best example I have is how people travel to become munks and “find themselves”. Yet get told to first do something that’s worth giving up. People with no accomplishments can often be turned down because they can not understand what it is to give up what they have
"In time, with sufficient acceptance, repentance, and faithful conduct, one might at last escape the iron bonds of history and achieve nirvana, the freedom of nothingness. Meanwhile, this ego, and what we consider this current life, is never more than a wafer bobbing in the vast inner sea of the unconscious, and upon a much larger milky sea of the cosmos." - James Hollis
So, I have been on a journey for a little over a year. In the beginning I experiecend what I would later discover to be a "long dark night of the soul". Shortly after a trashy therapist would introduce me to Jung. I would also start studying Buddhism again, after twenty years. As I walked on this path, I am weaving Shadow Work and Buddhist fundementals together as a part of my recovery. The other days I started wondering, how am I using these two seperate concepts to make more sense of my perspective? Suddenly there is this video, haha! As Ram Dass would say, "You have to become somebody before you become nobody."
I've had a similar experience over the last year. I understand these two views to mean that the self is a construct, not a given, permanent, eternal thing. So, if it _is_ a construct, it was constructed. That means it can be deconstructed and reconstructed. And that means we have a real chance to fix things that went wrong the first time around. I find some solace in this way of understanding the self ... _my_ self. Of course, this doesn't explain _what_ is doing the constructing, deconstructing, and reconstructing. And that gives me pause ... a _long_ pause. You?
The "enlightened one" has understood what I call "cinema in the head", when that storm has calmed down to not thinking, free of emotions, like in deep meditative state, one realizes that the "world" is a construct of the mind perceiving endless information via the 5 senses, once we are able to withdraw from these floods, we can realize that there is just the sensation of being pure awareness witnessing the myriads of events unfolding!
_"These different vocabularies sometimes mask their shared understanding"_
There have been countless _apparent_ "disagreements" - some trivial, some aggressive, and some outright violent - where both parties _actually agree_ and are simply using different definitions. Any time you see a disagreement (or better yet, before it even arises) define terms. We could refer to a supernova as a "burrito" and still have a meaningful discussion about stars as long as we're on the same page. Words are just pointers, and infinitely limited ones at that; what's important is the underlying ideas. A rose by any other name and all 🙂 Be well ❤
In Eastern Orthodoxy we have a communal ontology where a person is not an isolated ego, but something defined in relation to other things. The ultimate reality of God is three persons sharing one nature. Three perspectives with one will and mind.
There's nothing permanent except change
ALL paradoxes may be reconciled
Why are some people in the media saying that Jung was a charlatan. I don't think we can really understand Buddhism by intellectual means, Buddhism emphasises direct experience. The cultivation of mindfulness and concentration plus kindness, compassion and generosity are very important to the Buddhist path. I think cultivating mindfulness is key. The Buddhist definition of mindfulness is to be aware without judging, or pay close attention without judging. One Buddhist meditation practice is translated as mindfulness of breathing or paying attention to the breath
Agreed. maybe some people are still attached to an image of self that can re-birth
in another body. This despite all training to detatch from ego and judgement of others.
Jung's work is incomplete, he didn't get past the emotional memory,
So he does not know how to complete the Circle,
And left everyone else wondering about the end game ,so to speak, thus open to being called a fake
When we chose self we are selfish. When we chose no-self we are selfless. We must be equal of mind and be a altruistic soul. Loving all as we would ourselves if we were in others shoes, reflecting our love back into the world. ♾️☀️♥️✌️🌈
With all due respect to Mr Jung and any Buddhist, Vedanta is one of the most detailed and practical Spiritual teachings. Any! Questions One may have about Our Existence Vedanta has practical answers. Vedanta is a treasure for humanity in my humble opinion. Nameste to everyone.
Namaste 🙏
Vedanta is a mere copy paste of some Buddhist text especially on Sunyavad
A valid argument doesn't rest on a particular text. That's the appeal of a book-cult.
@@69bungo unfortunately Vedanta predates Buddhism. But it’s beside the point it’s about a practical solution to a complex question about Our existence that Vedanta is reliable in providing solutions too.
i just asked chat gpt "imagine you are kg jung and buddha now discuss a topic you are most passionate about." so its exactly what it did :) makes you wonder.
Do we know for sure that this video wasn't AI derived? The visuals suggest it.
@@lukehiggins6194 its almost 100% AI :D but dont call it that or it might bite :D
The tears I have now are sometimes for the universe, as I know the universe is full of life, I also know it suffers.
What I picked up from this presentation is that I am a continuous process. I wonder if I'm on the right path.
Once i let everything go, absolutely everything... I found myself submerged in a state of no need. When you have the feeling that you need nothing, then is when you have reached completeness.
I keep trying to find my way back to that state and sometimes I wish I would have stayed there, but I had to come back to live the rest of my life...
As Jesus said, if you want to follow me, leave everything
This is excellent. The idea of Self as process rather than identity matches my own experience. I came to this view outside of any religion or psychology in an effort to address dissociation - I needed coherence, and so Jung’s “totality” and Buddha’s no-self didn’t help intellectually, and the intellect is all you have at the beginning to get started. But Marie Louise Von Franz, who worked closely with Jung, writes of the Self as “a self-renewing phenomenon” and this, together with a way to find a centre of coherence, is consistent with my own experience. I can now see both Jung’s and the Buddhas points of view, but they were not great starting points in my own process towards health and wholeness and they are not the whole story; the whole story will include an understanding of dissociation, and so on.
Real Gold Nuggets of Enquiry here, very nuanced views. 💯 👄☺️
Very good and meaningful content!
Different paths to the Truth. IMHO, Buddha got the final realization, but the Journey made by Jung is impressive and helpful. There is no need to "reconcile" Buddha and Jung. What is needed is introspection.
Paradox is often found in spiritual matters. My take is that we have a core self which has individualised out of the Universal Mind. This core self manifests and builds a changing personality in each life. Persona means a mask. So the self is changing over lives so in that sense is not permanent . But re-incarnation and karma make little sense unless there is something which endures. At enlightenment that self is absorbed back into the Universal.
To try to find yourself...is like..
Trying to find a needle in the dark 🌑🌑
Just can't be done
🙏❤️
So to find that needle...(self)
Turn on the light 🕯️🕯️
It might help...?
Will share my thoughts in detail
All of these philosophers are inspiring yet students of our great teacher, the Buddha
Buddhism is systemic.
Buddhism is used for controlling
Buddhism is just as bad as the other religions
who was a student of 25 hindu gurus, Let's call the teacher the teacher, Shiva. the Adi Yoga. 15,000 years ago, was THE teacher
@@iniRasta420that time hinduism does not exist, during lord buddha there was 62 philosophies in lndia. Buddha taught by one of them teachers Alara kalam the non vedik Or Samkhya teacher , latter he attained enlightenment by own doing hard meditation.
Dont spread propaganda
When deeply examining the true nature of being, as in the Buddha light, Buddha found that there was a great contradiction such as what you’re describing. Later as he gained more illumination into this subject, he found that it was not contradictory at all, but that the Truth carries both sides and many sides thereby understanding that Truth is a paradox and holds all sides of the Sphere. The realized person, whether a Buddhist or not, realizes that it is correct to say “It is and It is not.” As words contain negative and positive charges, so does Truth. The ancients as well as the mystics, certain Buddhists, Sufis, Yogis, eventually go beyond the beyond, like Buddha-like Krishna-like other luminaries who have found Truth. Not all people in any belief, faith, religion or philosophy, find the truth. It is an individual endeavor and may be graced with the full capacity. Truth, Enlightenment, Psychology, whatever the belief, it is the same Truth, but individually experienced. There may be similar or commonality, but it is also unique. The Hindus say “I am in the Fullness” and the Buddhists say “I am in Emptiness”. It means the same. Followers abound, but every person can draw the Truth to themselves by looking in the right place: the Heart’s Soul. There is no need to follow any one illuminated person, because one can find the Soul’s Heart by looking within with the eyes of the Soulistic Heart or Heartful of Soul. Words fail, doctrines fail, “ism’s” fail-illumination is experienced in a unique, individual way. No need to follow, but if one follows, eventually, at some point, the destination appears as being able to find Truth at any time, any where.
Where can I find the art work in this video? Particularly the ones with the group of orange robes monks.
I am answering this question according to the apprach of psychology and history. When I study the indian history, I realises that before 8th century, india believes in no self, this approach toward the life make the india a global superpower in the world. But after the 8th century, india belives in self i.e., bramh by archarya shankar and ego by indian people, this will lead toward the globsl superpower converting into global slave. You will see what will happen after the 8th century.
India history is a reminder to all the superpowers of the world that never take any decision on the basis on the ego. Always take ever from the centre of no self.
Kudos for giving credit to Schopenhaur who can fairly be said to have influenced
Freud, Jung, and Wittgenstein. He is worth reading first.
How do I stop holding on to the parts of my “self” that cause “me” most pain?
Read buddhist texts on self
I actually think it was Aldous Huxley who said "Buddhism is the cleanest, most sensible and most direct of all religions"
One of the best self help page
There is an excellent book by Robert Wright, "Why Buddhism is Right" on this topic. Highly recommended.
Thank you, excellent 👌you asked interesting questions. But 🤔 Aren't my answers just mental construction? How do I know?
A consciousness only ever experiences the thoughts and feelings (body sensations) that it's shown. We think we're a little person in our own heads, piloting ourselves around, but what would make that person go left or go right, or choose anything? Will. The feeling/thought in any given moment that says "I want to go this way, not that way." And you don't choose to have that thought. You can't choose any thought. You thinking "Now I'm gonna think about XYZ" is you already thinking about it.
This sounds nuts but it's true. And that means you can't escape your conscience either: it's not up to you that you judge everything (including yourself) in some version of good/bad, nor that you're gonna be wrong sometimes (often) in your judgments, both unknowingly and knowingly. Your will is not up to you: it's not up to anyone (hence it's free).
If you were to choose will, it would just be more will expressing itself, since will IS preference, IS choice. It's not up to you, not because eventually it COULD be up to you, but because it's never up to anyone, not even God. Again, because consciousness doesn't choose thought/will/preference. It never could, since choosing is expressing preference you don't decide.
What if God could make anything happen with the snap of his fingers? (maybe He can, for the sake of the argument). What would He do? Whatever He wanted. But not what He didn't want. Thus God is 'limited' by his will. This is not to diminish God, this is to show that nothing can choose will: will is the Tao, the way, the course, the pattern that life does, in every moment. God 'the Father'... father = pattern (pater), and we are experiencing the 'forming / patterning' of God, which is existence.
It's literally everything. Not in a woo woo way, but since atoms aren't actually atoms... they're not shells with protons, neutrons, electrons inside. There's no shell. It's just the buzzing protons, neutrons, electrons in their patterns.
But even the protons, neutrons, electrons... they're not actually little spherical shells with stuff inside, either. They're JUST the patterns inside (quarks, mesons, energy waves), dancing around giving the appearance, when zoomed back a little, of some 'sub-atomic particle.'
It finally hit me: there's no 'stuff' at the bottom at all. Aka, you never could get down to the bottom where something is finally made of 'stuff.' It's just smaller and smaller forms, which are made of smaller forms, but never matter.
And thus it's space itself that is being formed.
What?
Imagine laying a napkin flat on a table. Now pinch the napkin in a spot so it sticks up like a nipple. The nipple you can see - it's a 'thing/object' of its own in your head, but it's really just bunched napkin.
Reality is like this: space is the napkin, and where it's been bunched, energized, or something (the specifics don't matter so much tbh), then suddenly there's something doing a pattern (an atom, for ex), which is interactive, where there was just space before. I'm not saying atoms appear out of nowhere. I have no idea how they come into being. I'm saying that once they're here atoms ARE space. Everything is only space, bunched and visible and interactive. And thus everything is unity, and God.
But completely out of your control. And thus not up to you that you have a conscience (you can't outwit your feelings, even when they're wrong), nor that you'll fail daily at things, nor up to you that you can or can't accept anything I've just written. You're playing out God's dream. Dreaming He's separate from Himself. Because will is free and unchosen, as it must always be (because no consciousness could ever choose what it's going to think next).
So relax (though it's not up to you if you do). And maybe start putting your mind on all the muscle/tissue tension throughout your body: all the tension (anxiety) that builds from thinking "I have to choose what I'm going to do next and I don't exactly know what to do and I'm gonna die at the end of life." The tension (it's vague pain) somewhere in your body and every time you're nervous or scared, you'll feel those tissues clench, seize, and the vague pain that comes.
This time (and forever, from now on) dare yourself to feel the pain: spend time holding your mind on the tension, while reminding yourself that it's not up to you what you do next. Never has been. Your whole life has been this way and you've gotten this far. So relax, if you can. Nothing is up to you. And so you can begin to trust (true faith). Trust that grows seeing something you've never seen before: nothing is up to anyone, and yet it all still means. We learn, but it's not up to us that we do. So tell yourself that, the truth, and see what happens.
So, re: this video... the 'self' is unity (it's all bunched space/God and only ever could be). Including the fact that you're feeling yourself as a separate self in the moment. So do you exist as a separate self? The feeling of you does, and it's God having that feeling. But you're not in control. There are always consequences (they're not up to you either). It all still has meaning (you feel meaning, every single moment). So begone, nihilism. Meditate on truth: unity, no control.
And watch who you become in the moments you remember: as the Tao says, "Kindhearted as a grandmother. Dignified as a king." Then you'll watch yourself be an asshole again just to remind you you're not in control :)
The zen solution is to get out of your own way. those intentions
that emerge as thoughts and actions come from you, get with it.
I agree with most of what you say, but I don’t have the same conclusion. What you explain as Will is what we consider the subconscious, we can’t directly change it, but with awareness the will changes.
You can’t create will, but you can realize something that creates will. For example in addiction, a lot of people simply don’t want to quit, why would they? They don’t have a reason, hence not a will, to quit. And most that successfully quit so so because they become aware of what matters, and realize that the addiction is holding that back. That’s when they suddenly want to quit, it’s not a choice, it’s not willpower or strength, it’s a will. But ultimately (imo) a will isn’t what defines. It’s simply a product of what’s experienced
Who is this "we" you mentioned?
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Understanding the “Self” in Buddhism has always been subject to interpretation and debate. My view, after practicing and studying Buddhism for 15 years, is that the Buddhist core concept of “Non-Self” has two meanings: The first is the concept of detachment, where we let go of personal gratification and recognize we are part of a mass of humanity, and all in this struggle together, leading to the notion that helping each other is not only mutually beneficial, but psychologically liberating. The second meaning is the notion that the “Self” is ever changing, meaning not permanent, and as such, doesn’t exist. This is incorrect in my opinion. The reality is the ever changing self is essentially an expanding Self, consisting of the aggregate knowledge and wisdom developed over time, but is in fact a specific entity, albeit simply a collection of mental perceptions, right and wrong. This validates both views of Buddhism and jungian psychology.
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🕉️.. and, it's an ongoing PRACTICE ..🕉️
It doesn't validate buddhism because you are reifying the self
@@jorgesanf Buddhism doesn’t require “validation”; it stands on its own merits. Perhaps you don’t understand the practice.
I meant that your position is not compatible with buddhism.
Well done!
I think a lot of misunderstanding stems from terminology. Jung talked about great Self, the Buddha didn't deny it, in fact Mahayana schools teach about Buddha Nature/Mind/Emptiness which is parallel to Jung's Self.
Buddha and Indian sages have known the human minds in such a depth which we can't fathom,
Your last section touched on the very concept of the Santa Dharma's very profound concept... " everything is Maya"..... The deepest truth is everything you see, feel, sense, taste, experience is Maya. Once you understand this, and the true goal of the Atman (Brahman) is to unite with the Parabrahman, then it becomes very clear to detach oneself (ego). But being here, being conscious, means do live.... meaning do your duty (karma) without expecting rewards and live as required by Dharma. As, I mentioned in the previous post, the west has no fundamental grasp of such concepts and attempts to simplify it, leads to untruths