Jung vs Buddha: Self vs Non-Self
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- Jung's Self archetype and Buddha's non-self teaching are two of the most profound formulations of our true nature. Are the two mutually exclusive? Here we explore how analytical psychology and Buddhist psychology conceive of the self and what lessons they teach us about what we are and what we are not.
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📚 Recommended Reading
▶ C.G. Jung, Aion
▶ C.G. Jung, Psychological Types
▶ C.G. Jung, A Psychological Approach to the Dogma of the Trinity
▶ C.G. Jung, Two Essays in Analytical Psychology
▶ C. G. Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections
▶ Walpula Rahula Thero, What the Buddha Taught
▶ Thich Nhat Hanh, The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching
▶ Rupert Gethin, Foundations of Buddhism
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⌛ Timestamps
02:08 PART 1 - JUNG
02:29 ego
04:33 complex
07:01 Self
11:48 Self = God image
16:43 PART 2 - BUDDHA
18:48 non-self
20:49 the five aggregates
24:44 person = useful fiction
27:32 PART 3 - JUNG & BUDDHA
39:47 CONCLUSION
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I owe this video, like everything else I do, to the gentle and constant support of my partner. Thank you, Elly!
A big fan of your work and knowledge, Being an avid Buddhist would like to see you enlightening us something about Vipassana..
P.S you are the most amazing content creator of UA-cam 👍
@@ShivangiSR Thank you, my friend, I will certainly cover Buddhists meditation in a future video :)
Thankyou so much Simeon❤️
@@ShivangiSROvercoming the ego is not an easy thing. In Buddhism it has to do with the mind. We need the ego to negotiate daily life; however it has to be balanced; not too extreme, or the opposite problem; not engaged enough. Surrounding our will, aligning with Reality is necessary: I will reason, I will will, I will act, but guide Thou my reason, will, and activity, to the right thing that I should do in everything: (a yoga affirmation). ❤
“Reality is too complex to surrender all its secrets to a single perspective.” I like this quote of yours. Very nice work.
nothing matters, only objective truth matters (that means biological programming)
@@gratefulkmOut of all the perspectives, that is certainly one of them
@@august4476 no, its the only perspective, the rest just exists in the left PFC and the Left PFC is ignored by the rest of itself biologically speaking
first there is biological programming then there is imagination, the last leap of faith was moving the wagging tail to the front of the brain,
I will talk to you about biological apparatus purpose and functionality and you will imagine imaginary imaginations in the imaginary brain , disconnected from reality and imagine they are real , otherwise known as language and reason
@@gratefulkm what do you mean the last leap of faith was moving the wagging tail to the front of the brain? I don't understand
@@Liam-ke2hv You will notice if you pay attention to biology that the PFC size is related to the length of the tail
The smaller the tail the larger the PFC
The Longer the tail the smaller the PFC
So the "tail wagging the dog" is letting the LEFT PFC control the rest of you
"Your letting your imagination run away with itself", that's from the Druids, Oral tradition no reading or writing just echo's cortex to cortex
(I’m only 18 so sorry if this a little messy bc there’s still a lot to learn) It seems like a lot of the time, people will link their concept of self to some higher purpose, no matter how they define it. Whether it’s religion, spirituality , knowledge , or even worldly achievements, there is still something we’re all pursuing in some sense. Without a thing to define our reason for living to, we’d have no desire to even exist, but even wanting your own death would mean your goal is to obtain “ something “. Just as Jung thinks the self is undefined and that the ego is the accumulations of characteristics we perceive as the self, Buddha thinks of the self as a fiction, but still something that doesn’t have a definitive truth to it. Both find a middle path of neither existing nor not existing, so for all us, this is some area of balance in which we seek to obtain. In the human experience, both the internal or external world having priority will cause imbalance as they will not always be aligned. A lot of the time we define our balance as happiness or fulfillment, but I think it’s truly whatever we label it as, therefore that balance and the self are almost one in the same. The fantasy of our internal world and the reality of external world feel in constant clash between one another, but I believe Buddha is trying to describe nirvana as the state of being where both feel permanently aligned. We see ourselves as individuals separate from the world, yet we exist within it and are comprised of its matter. Every single person is like a conscious experience of the universe observing itself, and yet we are all able to define our concept of self through our own different circumstances. To try to define the self or nirvana would go against the warnings of Jung and Buddha, so they want us to utilize their information to improve our lives, rather than treating it like it is an ultimate truth. The nature of the self is empty, but it still exists in some form. I am not my name, my body, my status, or my personality, but rather the whole of this experience. Within my life time I can not properly define my “ self” but if the self is the accumulation of all these thoughts and experiences, then the outer ring of this circle of self is where I can find fulfillment. No matter the circumstances, I know everything will be okay because my self is not the whole of my experience, but just the parts of my life i want to desire and manifest because it gives me a reason to live. I don’t need to live, or need that fulfillment or my desires granted, but I choose to in order to better understand the experience I was thrown into. It allows me to understand this driving force within all of us is being projected onto every aspect of this world. It’s all the same archetype being interpreted differently, and the ability to define that archetype yourself is what makes life worth living. Whatever feeling we’re chasing by thinking about these things, it’s a miracle to get a glimpse of it and see that it has and always will be with you until the end. Because of the novel series I’ve been wanting to write for over 7 years, I’ve practically devoted most my life to getting a better understanding of this kind of topic so I can live a more fulfilling life and make others happier as well. This video was beyond amazing and I wish this kind of topic could be talked about more. Discussions like these for sure are helping and inspiring me, and I know it will for many others.
What a wonderful being🦋
wise words - I wish you all the best with your writing
Wow...and only 18? You have a lot to offer humanity in your understanding of this and of reality. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and views. Namaste!
I guess the next question is about whether we really have personal choice in a sea of impersonal actions and interactions? @drowsee6076, I agree with your view about 'the parts of your life that you choose and want to manifest' giving it meaning. I've struggled to articulate that concept myself though. There's something about one's personal choices which make our individual journeys so meaningful and beloved and yet these very choices, seem somewhat choiceless. It's a contradiction which needs to be held lightly I think. There's a beautiful, full and nourishing seed in each of our individual lives somewhere though, I'm sure of that. ❤
Thank you for writing that!
@09:55
“While you, the Ego, are experiencing Life something else’s is experiencing You. You are not conscious of “it” but “it” is conscious of You.”
Nicely stated!
Also, you described the Ego as an imperfect miniature image(8-bit) of the Self (4K). What a fantastic analogy. I feel like I finally GET IT. Thank you for an insightful video!
It is the other way around. The ego is there but it is not the self or the even the totality of consciousness. Consciousness experiences the ego as a small part of the self. Otherwise, how would "I" ever be aware of the ego.
In juxtaposition, unconsciousness experiences the shadow, the opposite of the ego.
Ego is a part of consciousness but not all of consciousness. The shadow (nothingness in Buddhism, although in Buddhism nothingness is the entire unconscious) is in the unconscious but it isn't all of it.
I can't believe this is the first video I've seen on this subject. After reading a great deal of Jung and studying Buddhism in depth, I felt confused and wanted to talk to someone about it. It is very hard for Americans to hold 2 seemingly contradictory ideas at once. We hate cognitive dissonance! Throw in Existential thought and it gets even weirder. My Asian studies have helped me learn to do this - I have to first ask myself if we are talking in absolute terms or relative terms, then there are a few more questions I would have to ask to start discussing this topic. Well done! Many thanks for putting so much thought and care into this video.
I shared these feelings. I found Master Dogen and his collection Shobogenzo. There are American authors who make it easier to digest, such as Brad Warner. His channel is called Hardcore Zen, and while it is not exactly what Jung studied, the concept of no self is quite universal. we are programmed to think and use language in a western way. At least, that was my experience. I hope this helps you on your journey!
Thanks you - I would love taking a look at these! @@AFellowNoSelf
I am in the Substance Usage Disorder field as a counselor assistant and I too have been wondering the same things. I use existentialism, Jung, Buddhism, positive psychology , and Ikigai to assist patients in finding their purpose in life.
If you talking about wanting, it's never end and never ever end. But accept it is what it is that is the only path.
Our mind never enough in 6 feeling sight sound odor taste touch and the idea thought ...
I called feeling is the object that mind think into that mind Jude into.
It is easy,If we are in the First one Start to feel. Because all the ❤️ feeling❤is like Ball of Nature.And the Nature is .like a seat,Form where is growing the trees of oure Life of all the ❤nature❤ and we are starting Form exactly nothing to something and this something after Time is going back to nothing... .... Always the same circle . .... ❤time for time,feel in the right way ... ❤❤❤because 🙏Nature is once and all❤❤❤ and can do all,what we are mit able 🎉to belive🎉!¡!
It took me about ten years to start to understand and integrate the teachings of Buddhism. Twenty years in, and I’m still learning everyday.
Integrate it into what? Lol
@@Baczkowa78 Do you know what integrate means. It means to utilize and implement into ones life. I’m sorry you do not know what that word means.
@@Baczkowa78 I’ll give you an example of integrate. Say one practices compassion through meditation and contemplation, one can increase one’s compassion for all sentient beings, and integrates compassion into one’s world view. One can therefore become more compassionate by integrating a mind of compassion.
Goodluck with on your journey mate
@@Baczkowa78 Well I’m sorry you do not know what integrate means. It means to apply them to your life in a meaningful way. An example would be compassion. Compassion is not something easy to fully integrate. As we practice meditation, compassion, loving kindness we slowly integrate them into our consciousness and they become part of who we are. Many Buddhist texts are esoteric in nature and sometimes those can take years to understand. I hope you understand now the meaning of integration. ☸️☯️☸️
“Anatta” is the most misunderstood teaching of the Buddha. If you put aside what scholars have said and just go directly to the original teachings, the Buddha never said there is no self (soul). As you point out in the video, the word “Anatta” can be translated as “no self”, “non-self”, or “not self”, and then proceed to suggest that “non-self” is the best translation without qualifying that suggestion. If you want to know which is the best translation of any word you have to look at the context in which the word is used. If you actually read what the Buddha said, it's very clear that he is talking about what is not the self. Never does he say there is no self or that self is a fiction. He doesn't explain what the self is, only what the self is not. Therefore, “not self” is the proper translation of "Anatta". Calling it “non-self” or “no self” is only perpetuating misunderstanding.
And saying that he was teaching about the soul is equal false
Buddhas teaching about non self and ego is fascinating. Explains why people suffer as they do. I find it peaceful to think that once you get rid of ego and self, the mind can comprehend and understand suffering around you and also feel compassionate towards other living beings. Being in the moment and keeping your mind alert and aware of each moment and emotion will help one to calm ones mind. In other words observe when you get angry, sad, jelous, vindictive, lustful, greedy and analyzing those emotions as they arise. Baby steps that would lead to ultimate Nirvana or keeping your mind still. These days I am trying to incorporate "walking meditation" concentrating on each step and how it feels when your feet touch the ground. Its hard to concentrate as you have your eyes open and too many distractions around. Its a total different experience and soon after you sit down to meditate, i find its much easier to keep your mind still. This is how I understood Buddhas teachings. Love your channel. Keep up the great work you are doing.
‘You are your own refuge, who else could refuge be?’
Dhp160
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I cant stress enough how you manage with each video, to push me deeper into myself and ponder on the "I" and its proper place within the experience of life.
Thank you for your work, thank you for allowing us reflect together.
This is really touching to hear, my friend... thank you. Each video is deeply personal and transformative for me and I am glad this comes across in some way. I will keep giving it my best!
@@seeker2seeker Since you had made video on the concept of self of carl jung and non self of buddha,i request you to made a video on the age old debate of unchanging all pervading self'I' of hinduism known as brahman and concept of non self in buddhism leading to idea of shunyata
It's very helpful to study comparatively. Living around everything Buddhists in Thailand, most of the time we don't have a reference point to see ourselves from other perspectives. Thanks for all the great work you've done. I'm looking forward to your work on "dependent origination."
Thank you for the generous support, my friend! Next I will be tackling karma and rebirth - dependent origination after that. These are some deep and heavy topics, but I'll do my best to do them justice :)
To my mind the Self and the Ego are different from what Jung describes. I see the Self as the fiction we've constructed from our previous experiences, beliefs and appearances; while the Ego is a tool of the Self, a compensation mechanism which is activated whenever you hit a challenge/obstacle/problem/threat/danger. Its role is to get us out of trouble(real or imagined) by providing the necessary energy to surpass it. It is not only a defensive mechanism, as it's commonly called, because you can attack with it as well and you can even use it to suppress your own impulses. So, I wouldn't regard it as a shield, but rather as a Barrier keeping outer energy from coming in, or inner energy from going out.
The way to dismantle the Ego and prevent it from triggering ad infinitum is to realize the story of the Self is an illusion. Since there is no you, then there will be no obstacles to oppose you and hence no need to compensate with the Ego.
Mother nature wouldn't have created it if it wasn't useful and I think Ego proved to be a very effective tool for keeping us alive. It's only when it's overused that it becomes a destructive force, like everything else.
At this point mister Jung's model seems a bit overcomplicated and abstract, while the Buddha's a bit oversimplified and missing some points(like survival).
Whatever the truth may be and wherever you are, thank you for this video my friend, I didn't know about a lot of things mentioned here. Must've been a great undertaking piecing all of this together.
I send my gift of gratitude and wish you happy holidays.
You've touched some great points concerning "survival" and the "ego". The ego can be healthy as long as you know it's an ILLUSION. The Buddha himself couldn't explain everything, and what he couldn't speak on...he just left out...😉
@@HansumTriniThe Buddha's knowledge of awakening was like a forest. His teaching was a handful of leaves.
@@HansumTriniBuddha's knowledge was vast. And he knew it would be too much for the lay human to understand everything. That's why he laid out the basics so one wouldn't get confused.
The Self in Jungian terms is the most complex part of the psyche. The full integration of all the conscious and unconscious aspects of our psyche. It is when one becomes their true Self without unconcious complexes or projections that create negative experiences in our personal and collective experience.
Great points
the more i am growing older
the more i am glad that this channel exists ❤
Your videos are so well researched and presented. You're really helping to increase our self awareness.
Thank you, I’m glad you’re enjoying them!
🕊️ Thank you. I love it and I will watch it again and again.. profound and transformative..
Thank you for your generous support, my friend! I will keep giving it my best :)
Absolutely brilliant! This is a masterpiece, Simeon. Thank you for all the time and hard work that surely went into it :)
Absolutely brilliant, and I was learning Buddhism and trying to understand or have little idea about some teaching, and this video and many others clarified many doubts I had before.
Brilliant.. nothing to add. To me the self is the universal consciousness which we are all "a piece of". The awareness beyond the ego. And this awareness is non self, in the sense that the ego is an illusion, a thought, nothing more and therefore the "I / ME" doesn't exist "really". I am grateful that you exist !
There are many definitions of the self. Jung, science and philosophy don't define the self this way.
Buddhism is outside my area but I think under Buddhism, there is no self. It is an illusion that is always changing.
It is like Plato's forms in this sense. Like this, people created mathematics. 1+1=2 because that is how we understand the world. But that isn't how the world operates. The world forms and deforms. It makes no difference. Simply because people understand the world as 1+1=2 doesn't make it so. The self is the same in Buddhism, it is always changing and never within our grasp. It isn't a universal consciousness as in the Hindu religion.
In Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious, Jung talks about how the Buddhists don't see it as universal consciousness but as universal unconsciousness. This book was his first real book and made him famous. He progressed a lot from this after that.
Robert Sapolsky said in his book Determined that letting go of the idea of free will is similar to Un-Selfing in Buddhism. It was so interesting listening to your video after his book! Fantastic channel, you remind me of Blind Dweller, one of my favorite UA-camrs
Thank you! I hadn’t heard of that book :)
Except, Buddhism has free will and also it has the subjective. Sapolsky is 100% no free will and only objective. I used to follow Sapolsky 20 or more years ago when he was working with monkeys. He was a lot different then.
@@Vooodooolicious super interesting, I could totally see that. I've also rethought his argument a lot because even though I liked his book, I felt like there were other aspects to the argument being overlooked for sure
At first, I was thinking of apples and oranges. Then my ideal self was reminding me to remain sensitive to perspective. As we are all aware psychology is an inexact science and even the leading schools of thought are highly subjective. Everyone has their feelings about just how much they do exist or perhaps even why they exist. Buddha's concepts are highly complex and very technical especially when we consider the period that Buddha existed. Carl Jung I believe to a large extent was a work in process. Both had very insightful intuitiveness in defining the window of ourselves. Now before my comments seem to become a mumbo jumbo of convoluted conundrum I will just simply conclude with, "good video, good job there's a lot of interpretation that needs to continue. Godspeed to all, however particularly those who seek to understand." MarkMannM2
One of the best produced and well written videos I have seen! Congrats my friend, your work is very moving and inspiring!
Being a Buddhist is antithetical to the teachings of the Buddha. After all, the Dhamma is like a raft. It is for the purpose of crossing over.
Perhaps the best description of what Buddhism is comes from Robert A. Thurman. He describes Buddhism as a technology [of the mind, essentially software] developed by enlightened beings in a compassionate response to the desire of unconscious beings to become awake.
Buddhism became a religion out of necessity. Precise transmission of information across centuries is an extraordinarily expensive and challenging endeavor. But, when Buddhism became a religion, it became somewhat of a zombie process.
Fantastic work. I love your content.
That’s a fantastic description of the Dhamma, my friend, I hadn’t heard of it. Thank you for this comment and for supporting the channel!
The clarity of insight you possess is always wonderful to see in action, and the skill and effort put into the production is appreciated.
Also, perhaps this is an incomplete observation, but I have noticed that the viewers that assemble in the community comments reflect your wisdom and yearning for truth. Many other channels that surround these topics are filled with argument and strife. Here it seems everyone has understood to the best of their abilities . I am glad to be here with all of them.
Thank you for this kind comment, my friend! I too am grateful for the kind of people these videos attract and the community that is beginning to form. My aim is to produce work that unites different traditions, peoples, and faiths and discovers a common ground. I love it when this is reflected in the dialogues that form in the comments :)
Great video, it was very well structured and explained!
Jung was an invaluable fount of insight when I was (and still am) struggling to understand myself and those around me, my 'complexes' - and the 'hidden life' within - and so forth.. He wrote about the unconscious forces with remarkable depth and clarity.
Now after becoming a buddhist, a big question for me when reading Jung is concerning the ''long term strategy''. I'm not sure what Jung imagined the 'goal' to be, or if there even is a discernible goal to it all, to me it seems like individuation is an indeterminable process.
But the Buddha was very clear with why he taught why he taught - to escape the endless cycle of death and rebirth
Thank you, my friend! I plan to compare Jung’s individuation with Buddhist awakening in a future video. I too am curious about how exactly Jung’s and the Buddha’s proposed goals of life can relate to each other.
There is no end goal per se; individuation is a life long process, so long as one is alive one is constantly developing.
Like Buddhism, for Jung the self was continually evolving and impossible to grasp. Add in other factors and 100% individuation is impossible.
Thinking about it now. Buddhism is trying to reach enlightenment, as I understand it. Jung was trying to reach for something beyond our reach. He thought that we would reach it sometime in the future but that we don't know what "it" is. I read that from him once. I often think about that because we aren't even close to what he envisioned for humanity.
Congratulations on such a wonderful video. It was clear, thoughtful and insightful. I know that your video touched mostly on the original of Buddhist teachings, but for me, all I could think about was the zen emphasis on non-self=non-duality. Duality separates identities by emphasizing the differences, while non-duality emphasizes our unity by highlighting these seeming differences as being two parts of the whole. Each is needed for the other to exist.
Please keep up with your work! Your videos are excellently researched and presented 🔥🔥
I can feel how many thoughts you had, not only while planning and writing the script, but also much time before that.
Again I can only beg you to keep up your hard work because it is enriching and inspiring!
Thank you, my friend, I will keep giving it my best!
Jiddu Krishnamurti used to say that you cannot realize the Unknown (the unconscious, the Self, God) with the known (the conscious, the ego, the self), when the known is absent the other is.
Krishamurti is all about realism / the nature of reality. He hated Jung and I am sure that he would have hated Buddhism. There is an interview, where Krishnamurti talks at length about how much he doesn't like Jung.
@@Vooodooolicioustell which one I want to see give even hint with whom,or year please or place or gathering or setting with group discussion,one on one,or public talks,dialogue???
Thanks S2S for filling our lives with your transformative content.
Thanks for your efforts to find reasonable answers to this question which came upon me recently too, because of my great appreciation of CG Jung and buddhist teachings. I think that tibetan Buddhism is in some ways comparable to jungian work because here you can find techniqes like dream yoga and others which aim to get you in touch with the collective unconscious Jung speaks of. I even have encountered deep experiences through shamanistic rituals which I don’t want to miss. Reality is much vaster than any tradition or great work like that of CG Jung is able to represent and doesn’t even have to do. But sadly many people can’t see this and out of this a lot of conflict and confusion are born.
Thank you for this comment, friend - and for pointing me at possible directions for my future research!
I don't think my words can do this talk any justice... its amazing, thorough and so insightful... I've listened to it many times already and drawn something new from your words every time... thank you so much for the time and energy you give in your talks... I look forward to your next master piece ❤
Thank you for the kind words, my friend! I'm glad the work I put into these has translated into something positive for you :)
The self seems to be wisdom which is aligned with facts and truths and more easily accessible via non-self mind-states/actions. Ty for the vid as usual…still processing :) Much appreciated
I'm going through my own personal journey of finding the Self. It begun with Buddhism but has since become detached to any particular vehicle. Your videos have been a key component in that personal growth. Your intelligence in explaining these concepts have helped immensely. Every time I watch your videos I understand the concepts better after doing some personal growing, but I also feel I'm starting to get to know your journey through your words.
Thank you for the kind words and the support, my friend! Working on these videos is a major part of my own journey and I’m glad to hear the final outcome has been useful to you too!
I realised a long time ago that all of these concepts are meta models! They are just models of reality even the so-called ultimate truth is a concept of truth, ultimate truth, itself is beyond conception. But we can get close. We don’t always have to get a Bullseye!
So profound, yet so well presented in a living language that we can all understand. Grateful for your excellent work to bring ancient wisdom to benefit humanity. Keep up your noble endeavour, strive on diligently.🙏
Thank you for the comment, my friend, I’ll keep giving it my best!
Thank you for your insights and time spent creating this piece. I recently met a devote Jungian and being a follower of Buddhism, not only the conversation but the actions were markedly different between us two but also eerily similar. A love of humanity and it's happiness was the common thread. Dream interpretation and meditation have been two daily forms I pursue. One to understand my ego and the other to dissolve my ego. The driving force of the ego versus the peaceful presence of the egoless are two forces I acknowledge every day. Both Jung and Buddha would have been great friends! Thank you again.
Thank you for sharing that. Namaste!
I can't thank you enough for this reflection, the love you put into this work is amazing. Very inspiring to be able to follow on all this nuance and apparent paradox. Thankyou! :)
Thank you Sir for this.
You are changing lives, you are helping the entire human community.
My guy Simeon, this was absolutely brilliant! We think very much alike, and the time and effort you put into creating these videos really helps me organize my mind and thoughts on these matters, as I often find myself alone when trying to integrate what I read on Jung, Buddhism, Evolutionary Astrology, etc. because as you mentioned, other intellectuals dismiss it and/or deem it taboo to speculate on. You are a beacon to truth my friend!
Thank you for the support and the kind words, Blaze! I find the comparative work of integrating different streams of insight and wisdom is not only exciting, but also fertile, and much needed today. Good luck with your own explorations and do share the treasures you discover!
'. what you are seeking is that which is seeking you....'
Why we are seemed to be complicated :
1. We are animal
2. Then we have consciousness n sharp memory by nature
3.we have culture n norms in which individualism is must for functioning .
We are taught to identify things by naming and describing which constructed the feeling of self or individuality. I think
Our Ego is autogenerated by body as protective mechanisms as seen in all animals , however the blend of that protective nature with the artificial life (culture)one created, brought ego in somewhat in level that it can destroy the body.
Self is created and artificial.
What makes complicated is we are capable of creating knowledge which is main factor creating self or I.
There is nothing to cling into , as whatever extraordinary created by us is illusion and its value born out of that illusion. There is nothing to search , only thing one must realize the world one created and imaginary self acting in it. Knowing that there is no knowledge is other knowledge. The use of our knowledge and creation of new knowledge to explore truth is just like imagination created within imagination.
Self is created by us for survival , knowing that’s true nature of Self , one can neither be on self or non self and just survive like tree who pulls nutrients from earth as per it’s size n need.
But how wonderful this is! Even though there is no such thing as free will, the illusion of it works just as well. We are the universe experiencing itself, regardless of whether all is a simulation or not, what cannot be perceived by us might just not exist!
I’ve heard a lot of speeches from Alan Watts. I greatly enjoyed hearing your voice sum up about 5 of his hours long talks. Thanks.
This video was so smooth! 😮💨 Thanks for making my buddhist journey so much more insightful and profound ☸️
This was EXCELLENT!! Great explanation for both
Absolutely fabulous and astounding work on such a complicated and rare topic even within the spiritual community, very well done and thank you for the video!!
Thank you, my friend, so far this has been the most difficult video I’ve done… the nature of the self is something I intend to keep returning to, trying to collect the different pieces of the puzzle from the various wisdom traditions of the world.
I personally practice many jungian principles as a way of self-improvement while following the middle way Buddhism. I've never had any thought on how they contradict, but only searched for ways to combine the two and take the most of then both
Carl Jung was a philosopher, a scholar.
Buddha was an ENLIGHTENED soul.
The difference between them is as follows.
Buddha has TASTED the mango.
Jung has read widely about the taste of mango and is a thinker.
Religious texts are NOT literal in meaning. They are allegorical, esoteric, metaphorical. They are NOT to be understood or interpreted by logic, rational thinking and scholarship. They have to be EXPERIENCED, SELF-REALISED.
WISDOM, bestowed by divine grace, is the prerequisite. Not scholarship.
Buddha and Jung can never be compared.
Well said and agree.
Buddhas teaching is vast and deep that test it’s time for 2500 years and it’s been under scrutiny, practice and analysis by the greatest minds. Jung’s work is less than 100 years and there is no comparison.
Sure it’s analysis and comparison on one aspect and an important one of Buddha’s and for it Simeon has done excellent.
Who's to say Jung hasn't tasted the mango?
If someone is rational, then religion books are mere fiction to them. They will start get deeper and question everything according to their logic mindset. It's better to not talk about religion with thinkers. They will not tolerate such stupidity books.
Education is not the filling of the pail but the lighting of the 🔥 fire. You have done that in my case. I am grateful. 🙏
This is truly a fantastic video comparing Carl Young’s schemas and the Buddhas earliest teaching. Watching this won’t bring you any closer to the experience of the integrated self or nirvana but it is a framework for thought and discussion about the journey one takes to the self. As usual. accurate descriptions of the state of the human being only serve as interesting gardens to wander, a wonderful place to Ponder. But hopefully discussions such as this can serve to spark interest and to ignite the drive to pursue the journey for oneself.
I feel such a pull to the needs of the universe at this point in the journey. It’s a more in depth meaning of what the great teachers taught. Very thirst quenching. Thank you
The idea of this "fiction" you are describing has intrigued me a lot in the past. The first time I stumbled upon this idea was when reading the book "Siddharta" by Herman Hesse. In this book, the main protagonist is a fictional man named Siddhartha who lived at the time the real Siddhartha Gautama reached enlightenment and at the end of the book Siddhartha himself reaches it too.
At one point Siddhartha wants to learn the ways of living of normal people who are not on the path to enlightenment. He becomes a wealthy trader and starts gambling for fun. He describes this way of living as a game for him. He gambles because he wants to laugh in the face of money, which is a god to the people around him. He also drinks and amuses himself with looking at the exotic dancers he employs. All because he wants to laugh in the face of samsara. However, after some time he becomes addicted to this lifestyle and his body and his mind become unclean. He eventualy escapes this lifestyle of course.
I liked the idea of taking life as a game and I think that it encapsulates the idea of fiction you are talking about. But in this case, this kind of thinking lead Siddhartha onto the wrong path, which always puzzled me. I'm having trouble understanding the lesson behind those events. Have you read the book? If so, how would you explain the idea behind this?
Thank you for elucidating the Buddha’s anatta n 40:26 with the concert analogy. That is brilliant!
As for Jung, I remain perplexed.
This is the first video Ive seen by you, instant follow.
You did such a great job explaining both Jungian and Buddhist psychology to the lay man, and this specific comparison of doctrine fulfills a long standing need. I myself was going to do something similar since I couldn't find anyone else who had compared the 2 directly, and the only difference in my approach is that I would have connected the two through the teachings of ramana maharshi.
This video lacks nothing in quality, entertainment, education, or relaxation; it's such a beautifully concise packet of information containing such an elaborate and expansive topic as examination of ancient tradition and modern psychology. Wonderful, 15/10!
Thank you for the kind words, my friend, I appreciate it!
You don't know how much was the need for this video. Your insights have been very helpful and the way you presented them is great. Keep growing my brother. You are an inspiration.
Thank you, my friend - glad it was helpful!
This is your best video for me. I learn so much. Thanks for putting such thoughtful content for our benefit.
This video was excellent. I have a lot more questions now, and I look forward to seeing your next video
I can only express my gratitude. Thanks for collecting beautifully some ideas of that which can't be put into words.
This video was really great. I am enlightened now.
Oh I´m amazed!! This is great, I´ve been trying to aproach both Jung and buddhism and wondering about their connections, from my own humble experience. This video is very nutricional and inspiring for deepening. THANK YOU!!!
You should do one on free will. Highly debated right now. Great videos.
This channel is amazing. The amount of work that goes into these videos is inspiring.
Really enjoyed that. Thank you for delving into such a fascinating conversation and comparison. For me, the more I read, listen, and study these subjects, the more I am repeatedly reminded of the great Matrix quote: "There is no spoon".
I love the content, and the parallels you drew. Very wise. Insightful. I also love the aesthetic choices you made for this video. Thanks!
It is a scary thought when you properly understand that the “I”is an illusion. It gives me a feeling of emptiness which I don’t know whether it is a form of resistance from the illusory “I” or an identification with my ultimate nature, which is the nothingness upon which anything can exist.
Hey my friend, just came across your channel. This video is amazing and I am super excited to explore more. Keep up the good work!!
I appreciate this, my friend! Personally, this is one of my videos I feel most connected with. I’m glad you enjoyed it :)
The Buddha didn't answer when someone asked him flat out whether there was or was not a self. SN 44.10.
He also said that "I have a self" and "I have no self" are equally wrong. MN 2.
I believe it was Ajahn Suwat who said that the arhat doesn't even think about whether there's a self or not, they just aren't concerned with it.
Also check out Thanissaro Bhikkhu's essay "Mind Like Fire Unbound" for a thorough understanding of the Buddha's teaching on Nibbana and the nature of mind.
Buddhas teaching about non self and ego is fascinating. Explains why people suffer as they do. I find it peaceful to think that once you get rid of ego and self, the mind can comprehend and understand suffering around you and also feel compassionate towards other living beings.
Excellent essay! The Self seen as *process* in Jungian and Buddhist conceptions is helpful
Thank you seeker and as you said it now so many questions arrive to my mind and that YES I love to go on in the way to reach THE TRUTH
Thank you brother from 🇮🇳, I appreciate your work 🌼
I'm glad to have an opportunity to watch and learn here,,thank you ,,these are powerful teachings..
I think the reconciliation of Jungian and Buddhist ideals comes in transcending the personal ego to provide tools and insights that allow ourselves and others to resist Samsara until all have broken free of it; bringing Nirvana to the collective.
In doing so we perform the highest good as the character we're playing in the play, while also facilitating our collective ascension through the rigor of positively polarized spiritual integration in the material plane.
I would like to recommend the works of Jiddu Krishnamurti to you. His discussions with scientists and Buddhist scholars are very valuable for understanding the eastern thoughts from a western mind / perspective. He also discusses the concept of self vs No-self. There are many videos on UA-cam and also many Books.
Thank you, friend, people keep suggesting I should do a video on him… perhaps it’s time.
Krisnamurty does not like religion or nationality at all.
You are the best philosophy channel on this site for sure.
Hope you will cover hermetism some day :)
Love that transparent Yin Yang on Jung and Buddha
God damn. I’ve been wrestling with this very paradox, and it is extraordinarily difficult to express. Your video is excellent! Hats off to you!
Thank you, my friend, I know the struggle!
Just rewatched and wanted to say how much I appreciate your Kendrick Lamar references. The “dying of thirst” comment at the end is particularly powerful to those who know what you’re getting at. Bless 🙏
@@josh10adams Bless you too, man! I'm glad to hear that line landed for you :)
Excellent video, so glad I found your channel!
Thank you, friend, I am glad too!
Love your videos so much info and some great reflections to think about, thank you
It’s really incredible to me that I credit my renewed interest in philosophy and sense-making to Kendrick Lamar. I, too, became a seeker after attending a Kendrick Lamar concert, it felt like I couldn’t run anymore. Something about the human experience unites us in ways words may never be able to express. Indeed, we may all be dying of thirst.
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I think that the best way to truly understand life itself it to be utterly silent and not conclude anything. Because life seems to be a series of awakening. We may find perspectives like the ones in your video helpful along the way, but the only metric through which we can assess this situation of ours is suffering and the intensity of it in our life throughout the journey. There may be lot of pain but no suffering if there is deep rooted self knowledge which is not born out of conclusion but rather continuous observation
Thanks a lot for sharing your perspective generously with us. I enjoyed the form of your presentation as much as content.
One thing I can share with you in this topic as a PhD in psychology who practice Analytical Psychology and practice Vippassana as well is that the Self not as an abstract thought but as a phenomena can be experienced through meditation. There is this moment in deep meditation that you understand yourself (the I, Ego) not as a complex of thoughts, images, feelings and memories, but as a neutral observer. I’ve touched this blissful moment several times and I think this is exactly the non-self because you have no attachment to any form of stimuli neither sensations nor thoughts. But at the same time it’s the Self that experiences this moment, better to say it is the Self that experience itself.
My conclusion is that meditation (Buddhism Practices) helps you to detach from Ego complex and reach the state of non-self. And non-self opens the eye of Self.
As Jung says you can not differentiate Self from God-image and the moment you experience non-self paradoxically there is a Self which is more like whole universe than a single person in a universe. That’s why Self and God cannot be separate from each other. There is just one stream which paradoxically has no beginning and no end. How is it possible? I don’t know. I can just repeat the buddha saying: Come and sit. And see it by yourself.
What a beautiful comment...
@@seeker2seeker Thanks for your beautiful works. I hope that we find a way to get in touch sometimes and share our perspectives my friend. By the way I am Vahid and very nice to meet you.
Thank you for creating this video. 🙏🏼
Thank you so much for your work. You are a true balance being in the sense in the measuring sense of UA-cam.
Wow, finally a UA-cam channel talking about stuff that matters.
:D Honestly, I wondered whether anyone would care to watch the video while I was making it... It's great to see I am not the only one obsessing about see these issues.
@@seeker2seeker or are you...
Nah lemme not go there. 😂 Great video man.
Found your channel relatively recently. Worse, only really starting to catch up with your videos even more recently. Greatly enjoying. And a video on two of my three favourites, interlinked, *I would include Shoepenhaur) thinkers. Thank you. In a desperately none Californian way, "Namaste"
I was first practicing the non-self principle of the Buddha. Because i didnt heal my wounded inner child at that time, so practicing non-self halfway, causing me so much more anger and resenment because i let go of the need to protect my right and self-respect… Because I had unhealthy ego, giving up “my ego” - causing much more pain inside. Only when I practice healing inner child and setting boundery, trusting anger as a way to knowing when I need to protect myself.
At this point, I believe Buddism work best for those who have healthy ego. Educate them to be less greedy, less hatred, teach them kindness and selflessness. But those who are wounded from childhoood, need to heal themselves first.
Or, as Eckhart Tolle said, people with unhealthy ego is much easier to go all the way to Awaken, the pain was so much, and push the give up on the self - if the goal is Enlightment, being as one as the universe, wounded people can choose Buddism.
Because of my experience, i feel conflicted - I really want to practice mindfulness and vipassana. But i still want to keep my healthy-ego, the awareness of a seperated individual in this world.
Hopefully your video can give more insight on how to intergrate both practice without feeling conficted
Amazing video. Great work 🙌🏻
comento con admiración en español: Simplemente..... GUAU !!!!!!! Un millón de gracias
I would understand the Buddhist non-self as the undifferentiated field of subjectivity or center of awareness, the self as a temporary reality, a complex of descriptions of personal history and attributes, one needs to survive in this world. Thanks for the great video!
Great a new video I saw the announcement yesterday, I'm so going to enjoy this, thank you 😊
Buddhism offers clarity of reality. Clearly comprehending the results of practices in perception frees the mind from speculative thoughts, giving rise to peace and freedom.
Thank you for your broad line of thought and exploration, to help us understand being human better.
Look forward to your videos about Fromm, and will listen more closely to your said video for references to him. Thanks 😊
Its interesting to run Buddhism through some Jung. The Buddha offers some archetypal idea not able to be understood by the rational mind but able to be contemplated like a symbol. No-Self, Dependent Arising, The Middle Way between Void and Appearance, The Tathāgata, etc. I am enjoying your presentation.
Wow your imagery is so pretty ❤❤
I watch in black and white and the visuals still feel completely sufficient and still convey all the meaning nessecary ❤
“We are a process, not a thing.” I like that. We are always changing - at the biological level, as well as the psychological level.
I see these as two parallel worlds. There is the world of symbolism/language and the “real” world of which no word speaks; The world that can only be pointed to. Both views are true at the same time, they are different sides of the same coin and so no contradiction is occurring
Another brilliant and insightful video! Thank you 🙏🏻❤️
Thank you, content is arranged and presented very nicely
waw very beautifully presented, not only the content but also artistically ... amazing... if you or the audience look for the simple true answer to the quest of self or no self, the only way is the practice left by these two masters. meditation as vipassana (bhudda), where the silence will drop to us all the answers we need, and in the same meditations will appear in mind all the self analysis (jung), that needed to clarify the process of thinking and will bring peace to the brain-projector machine like . allow us finally to perceive the ultimate reality.
“The first half of life is devoted to forming a healthy ego, the second half is going inward and letting go of it.” C. Jung
That touches on the buddhist non-self! Jung was wise enough to include both!
Wow this is really good. I have abandonment issues from having an absent father and mother as a child. You explain he perfectly and boy has it been tough to carry through life.
Stay strong my friend, and be the lesson your mother and father failed to learn. (We all fail, one way or another…)
Brilliant. Reading Nisarghatata last night, very much a Buddhist approach.I'm too much in the world. As Jesus said 'Be in the world, but not of it'. Will have to listen to this again. Animations and pictures lend a dimension to simplify it. Thank you.