Jaqueline Mayer suffered a stroke at the age of 28 but survived after a difficult rehabilitation and is still alive today: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquelyn_Mayer
Ordinarily, asking a person (especially a woman) her age or her weight is tactless; however when Arlene asked jockey Mrs. Kilgore what her weight was, it seemed appropriate. Arlene was always a refined, classy lady, and knew that it would be taken as a compliment to their guest.
The newly added segment was fun to watch! Thanks to you and your contributor for taking the time to bring it to us. Still watch these daily! Always great entertainment.
I love how Dorothy always groans when asked to put on her blindfold straight off and how Bennett always looks perturbed whenever he feels John somehow led him astray.
The segment with Mr Zanuck of 20th century fox was one of if not the dullest series of exchanges in all the 17 years of this program. Dull guest, dull accent, no smiles, dull answers, and the panel utterly lost with dull exchanges. Wow. He also went 15minutes, half the program!
During the farewell, I loved this quick exchange between Arlene, Bennett and John at 24:08. It was kind of an awkward episode all around so this was a nice relaxed moment among the "What's My Line" family.
John is right that the middle syllable of the California city Salinas is pronounced LEE. There's a Salina in Kansas, and its middle syllable is pronounced LYE. Maybe that's the source of Arlene's confusion ... or maybe she thinks that all California cities with Spanish names have an anglicized pronunciation, like San "Peedro" and "Loss Gattos" (Los Gatos).
It was almost Zen-like the way Arlene guessed the second challenger's line with an "I'm stumped" throwaway guess. And very little has been commented about Karen Kilgore. In addition to an unusual pronunciation of an otherwise common first name, women jockeys were extremely rare in the United States in 1962. No woman jockey rode in a race at a track in the U.S. with parimutuel betting until Diane Crump rode in a race at Hialeah on 2/7/69. Such was the opposition to female jockeys at the time, she required a police escort to get her past a hostile, sexist crowd who were shouting cruel comments at her. People were telling her to go back to the kitchen and that female jockeys would be the downfall of the sport. She did, however, receive some cheers of support after the race was over. While her horse finished well out of the money in her first race, she notched her first victory two weeks later and finished her career with 235. There were two attempts in 1968 to have the first female jockey in the U.S., but the attempt was thwarted when the male jockeys at those tracks threw rocks at the trailers that the women jockeys were using as locker rooms and they threatened a boycott. This did not happen with Ms Crump because Hialeah threatened sanctions against any jockey who did the same thing regarding her racing at that track. It takes a special combination of characteristics to be a thoroughbred race horse jockey. One has to be light enough to not put one's mount at a disadvantage, strong enough to control a horse that would generally weigh over half a ton running as fast as 25-30 mph, brave enough to ride among a cluster of horses of similar size and running at similar speed with very little in the way of protection, and also be honest enough to not accept bribes to throw races. Having lived for a few years a couple of blocks away from the newly modernized Aqueduct Race Track in the late 50's and in 1960 (with my grammar school overlooking the track) I became intrigued at an early age with horse racing. But no one in my immediate family rode horses, it's questionable if I ever would have developed the upper body strength to be able to handle a race horse, and doubt I would have overcome any fears that I would have been likely to have if I ever got so far as to give it a try. And I also eventually became wise to the fact that the track stays in business because most gamblers lose in the long run. I have never once bet on a horse race.
@@dcasper8514 Oops,. you were 10 years off. Secretariat raced for and won the Triple Crown in 1973, not 1963. I was a struggling college student (junior year) in 1973. And even though I was home from school bu the time the Belmont Stakes ran, we no longer lived in NYC. We were in the suburbs NW of NYC. Sure, I could have bet any of the races using OTB (began in 1970), but I had already learned my lesson about gambling. Besides, I wouldn't have won much. In the Derby, a $2 bet would have returned me $5, meaning I would have won $3. In the Preakness, I would have won 60¢ on $2. In the Belmont (back at Belmont Park by 1973), I would have won 20¢ on $2. The payout on the Belmont was so small that 5,617 winning tickets were never cashed in. Presumably the bettors kept them as a souvenir of the Triple Crown win. It was probably too many for them to have value as a collectors item. And for the record, in 1963 Chateaugay won the Derby and the Belmont but finished second to Candy Spots (the betting favorite) in the Preakness, 3½ lengths back.
What a twisted mess the Zanuck portion was. When John got literal in answering the panels questions, they tended to get off track and it ended up making the whole portion a misled frustrating piece. Too bad John was unable to firmly straighten the piece out. Because of it, the panel had no chance to guess Zanuck
He tried to straighten them out....kept telling them they answered "No" that he does not write professionally. Linkletter and Bennet kept saying he "does" write and was corrected. The panel seemed to understand it all when they unmasked.
I found a 1943 book called "Tunis Expedition." It was a journal of Zanuck's WWII activity in North Africa as a military documentary filmmaker. I hope the book was more interesting than his WML segment.
Interesting, they usually seem to use the pagent-winners as the first MG, and save the showbusiness-related MGs at the end. I wonder if the producers knew that Darryl Zanuck was gonna be somewhat of a flatline.
I think it would be more interesting if they would have to name Miss America. It's easy around that time of year to just say it's Miss America. But the name would be a lot more interesting because you can almost tell who it is because of what time of the year it is.
Did you guys notice this…Dorothy mocked Zanuck’s French accent at the start. Then when he was leaving and shaking hands with the panel he didn’t even look at her; he shook her hand as he walked off but was looking and talking to Art Linkletter while shaking her hand.
My dad like Mr. Zanuk joined the Military at s younger age than was the legal age, interesting how that was not as rare as I thought. My dad was in the Korean war.
This episode illustrates what has become one of the worst features of this great show. The panel waste half the show's time asking intentionally convoluted questions just trying to avoid a "No" answer. This caused the pace of the show and interest in some guests to suffer badly imo..
This was the year and the decade that everyone loved and appreciated Miss America. Sadly, other than myself and others most people don't care to know who Miss America is, and most people treat the pageant and winner as old fashion and out of touch with today's society which is totally not true at all.
I think Miss America became a cultural bore with the advent of changing ideas in society toward women. I am 67 so, of course, loved it growing up. By the late 60s, approaching adulthood, my friends and I and most women thought it unimportant....just more judging women on superficial attributes.
I do love Arlene but I’m quite sure all of us who watch every episode notice that she is a bit inebriated in this episode. 😊 I wouldn’t blame her, though! Probably just too much celebrating of one sort or another! ❤
I'm surprised that the panel had such a difficult time with Darryl Zanuck. Miss America was poised. Arlene seemed particularly happy on this night, and I wonder if Art ever did guess any occupation correctly?
David Pierce I wondered the same thing when Art made that comment. According to IMDb he appeared twice more as a panelist over the next couple of years, so I'm looking forward to finding out when I watch those episodes. I think both those episodes have already been posted on this channel (Nov.11,1962 & Oct.20, 1963), so you can check them out if you haven't already. I'd rather be surprised when I get to those episodes chronologically, so if anyone wants to reply with the answer here, could you please include a "spoiler alert" ahead of the answer?
SaveThe TPC I just checked his IMDB page and it appears he actually appeared as a panelist 8 times in his career and a few other times as the mystery guest. I've definitely seen him guess a profession before and it was prior to this episode. He appeared once in 1959 and twice in 1961 so it has to be one of those three because I'm watching them in order so those are the only ones I've seen before this one.
Jeff Vaughn Well, now you've inspired my curiosity to go back and watch the 1959 & 61 episodes you mentioned to see if Art actually _had_ guessed a profession before this and was only exaggerating when he said he never had! If I find an example of him guessing a profession in one of those, I'll let you know. By now I have watched all the later episodes he was on, but I'll let you find out for yourself about those too, since you haven't gotten there yet.... ;)
I'll be curious to know if my memory is correct. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he did get one because I remember him gloating a little. Let me know. Thanks!
Jeff Vaughn SaveThe TPC You are correct. It hasn't been that long, relatively speaking, since I watched it, and I remember it too, so it took but a moment to find it thanks to Gary's excellent descriptions and organization: Oct. 15, 1961, his most recent appearance prior to this one.
This should have been the third segment Mystery Guest. Because we are guessing what he does is the boring part. It should be: we are guessing who he is!
Someone commented on how awkward this episode was. That's an understatement. Zanuck's segment was the worst ever. Dorothy started badly, Linkletter's questions were just awful and confusing ("May we not assume... yes, no, he is not") , Zanuck's mumbled answers in 2 languages were confusing, and JCD's ramblings made it worse and befuddled everyone, and in the end, no one explained how Bennett published Zanuck even tho Zanuck never wrote a book or a play. .
I totally agree. Just watch the way Miss America got up from her chair and walked over to shake the panelists' hands. Feminine elegance and poise that is gone. The overwhelming majority of celebrities today are pigs, big mouths, and quite frankly disgusting.
The panel was definitely not in good form on this episode! Their questions were absurdly convoluted, especially Linkletter, and Dorothy must've eaten something that didn't agree with her.
Well, TTTT I hardly got to the 16 minutes of the episode. I'm sorry to admit never before have I watched so boring and conceited mystery guest on WML !!! I mean Mr. Zanuck, certainly- with all due respect to his obvious reputation... etc.
I was thinking the reverse. The arrogance of the panel, whom I generally adore, was so blatant and when it was revealed the super famous director was the guest, the panel certainly changed in their attitudes.
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Jaqueline Mayer suffered a stroke at the age of 28 but survived after a difficult rehabilitation and is still alive today: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquelyn_Mayer
Ordinarily, asking a person (especially a woman) her age or her weight is tactless; however when Arlene asked jockey Mrs. Kilgore what her weight was, it seemed appropriate. Arlene was always a refined, classy lady, and knew that it would be taken as a compliment to their guest.
Jacquelyn Mayer is such a brave lady. It is said that she recovered from a near-fatal stroke at age 28.
She said so herself, by her talks about strokes.
😮 I didn't know that!!!!
I live in Sandusky and remember, the night she won. Had the opportunity to meet her about 10 years ago and enjoyed talking to her.
Just addicted to these episodes x thoroughly entertaining x
Darryl Zanuck was a genius when it came to making movies .
Enjoyed observing him.
The newly added segment was fun to watch! Thanks to you and your contributor for taking the time to bring it to us. Still watch these daily! Always great entertainment.
You can't sneak any Miss America winner past Bennett Cerf. ;)
Wow, Dorothy had her snark on that night! Made me laugh, though. :-)
I love how Dorothy always groans when asked to put on her blindfold straight off and how Bennett always looks perturbed whenever he feels John somehow led him astray.
That was fun how Arlene was so surprised and pleased that she got the answer right about the jockey.
The segment with Mr Zanuck of 20th century fox was one of if not the dullest series of exchanges in all the 17 years of this program. Dull guest, dull accent, no smiles, dull answers, and the panel utterly lost with dull exchanges. Wow. He also went 15minutes, half the program!
Dullest segment ever! Zzzzzzzzz.
He was on an earlier episode as well. As I recall they didn't guess him then either, but it was a better segment.
True
He was very modest as John crowed about his patriotism involving WW1, & WW2..
He wasn't Mr Personakity
During the farewell, I loved this quick exchange between Arlene, Bennett and John at 24:08. It was kind of an awkward episode all around so this was a nice relaxed moment among the "What's My Line" family.
John is right that the middle syllable of the California city Salinas is pronounced LEE. There's a Salina in Kansas, and its middle syllable is pronounced LYE. Maybe that's the source of Arlene's confusion ... or maybe she thinks that all California cities with Spanish names have an anglicized pronunciation, like San "Peedro" and "Loss Gattos" (Los Gatos).
Arlene is thinking Salina, Kansas. Bennett is headed to Salinas, Ca.
It was almost Zen-like the way Arlene guessed the second challenger's line with an "I'm stumped" throwaway guess.
And very little has been commented about Karen Kilgore. In addition to an unusual pronunciation of an otherwise common first name, women jockeys were extremely rare in the United States in 1962. No woman jockey rode in a race at a track in the U.S. with parimutuel betting until Diane Crump rode in a race at Hialeah on 2/7/69. Such was the opposition to female jockeys at the time, she required a police escort to get her past a hostile, sexist crowd who were shouting cruel comments at her. People were telling her to go back to the kitchen and that female jockeys would be the downfall of the sport. She did, however, receive some cheers of support after the race was over. While her horse finished well out of the money in her first race, she notched her first victory two weeks later and finished her career with 235.
There were two attempts in 1968 to have the first female jockey in the U.S., but the attempt was thwarted when the male jockeys at those tracks threw rocks at the trailers that the women jockeys were using as locker rooms and they threatened a boycott. This did not happen with Ms Crump because Hialeah threatened sanctions against any jockey who did the same thing regarding her racing at that track.
It takes a special combination of characteristics to be a thoroughbred race horse jockey. One has to be light enough to not put one's mount at a disadvantage, strong enough to control a horse that would generally weigh over half a ton running as fast as 25-30 mph, brave enough to ride among a cluster of horses of similar size and running at similar speed with very little in the way of protection, and also be honest enough to not accept bribes to throw races.
Having lived for a few years a couple of blocks away from the newly modernized Aqueduct Race Track in the late 50's and in 1960 (with my grammar school overlooking the track) I became intrigued at an early age with horse racing. But no one in my immediate family rode horses, it's questionable if I ever would have developed the upper body strength to be able to handle a race horse, and doubt I would have overcome any fears that I would have been likely to have if I ever got so far as to give it a try. And I also eventually became wise to the fact that the track stays in business because most gamblers lose in the long run. I have never once bet on a horse race.
If you could've placed a bet, I would've recommended placing your allowance on Secretariat in 1963. Since you were only 10 at the time, keep your $2.
@@dcasper8514 Oops,. you were 10 years off. Secretariat raced for and won the Triple Crown in 1973, not 1963. I was a struggling college student (junior year) in 1973. And even though I was home from school bu the time the Belmont Stakes ran, we no longer lived in NYC. We were in the suburbs NW of NYC.
Sure, I could have bet any of the races using OTB (began in 1970), but I had already learned my lesson about gambling.
Besides, I wouldn't have won much. In the Derby, a $2 bet would have returned me $5, meaning I would have won $3. In the Preakness, I would have won 60¢ on $2. In the Belmont (back at Belmont Park by 1973), I would have won 20¢ on $2. The payout on the Belmont was so small that 5,617 winning tickets were never cashed in. Presumably the bettors kept them as a souvenir of the Triple Crown win. It was probably too many for them to have value as a collectors item.
And for the record, in 1963 Chateaugay won the Derby and the Belmont but finished second to Candy Spots (the betting favorite) in the Preakness, 3½ lengths back.
As the great Damon Runyon said, "All horse players die broke."
This episode was sooo painful to watch. Oh dear God....
What a twisted mess the Zanuck portion was. When John got literal in answering the panels questions, they tended to get off track and it ended up making the whole portion a misled frustrating piece. Too bad John was unable to firmly straighten the piece out. Because of it, the panel had no chance to guess Zanuck
He tried to straighten them out....kept telling them they answered "No" that he does not write professionally. Linkletter and Bennet kept saying he "does" write and was corrected. The panel seemed to understand it all when they unmasked.
Did we ever find out what he wrote that Random House had published?
I found a 1943 book called "Tunis Expedition." It was a journal of Zanuck's WWII activity in North Africa as a military documentary filmmaker. I hope the book was more interesting than his WML segment.
Gizzy....love your name..
WOW, not only was Miss America smart, she was also covered up! And most importantly, she knew how to talk English very well. :-)
gorgeouss79 speak English....Jees
She would be so out of place in today's world.
There was a time when people actually cared about Miss America.
These days, Miss America could become our next President.
@@bluecamus5162 these days Ms. America can be a man....
@@megancrager4397 So sadly true.
The Longest Day is the only war picture I ever watch. Love it.
The look on Arlene's face when the jockey said she weighed only 100 pounds!
100 lbs ? Uh huh !!
I thought that was interesting too…
Random House published Daryl F. Zanuck's "Tunis Expedition" way back in 1943. Not surprising it wasnt at the forefront of Bennett's memory.
Interesting, they usually seem to use the pagent-winners as the first MG, and save the showbusiness-related MGs at the end. I wonder if the producers knew that Darryl Zanuck was gonna be somewhat of a flatline.
This was my 9th birthday!
What IS it with Bennet and Miss America contests?!
I think it would be more interesting if they would have to name Miss America. It's easy around that time of year to just say it's Miss America. But the name would be a lot more interesting because you can almost tell who it is because of what time of the year it is.
Aw, that Miss America one was too easy. She certainly had a lovely, “Miss America” smile.
Everybody was so poised back then.
Actually they were selected for those strengths: all were constantly in front of audiences! The same can be said today.
Did you guys notice this…Dorothy mocked Zanuck’s French accent at the start. Then when he was leaving and shaking hands with the panel he didn’t even look at her; he shook her hand as he walked off but was looking and talking to Art Linkletter while shaking her hand.
And Arlene Francis apparently saw that and gave him a not-too-nice look as he was leaving.
They should have had Darryl as the Mystery Guess and Miss America earlier
I suspect that Miss Mayer was required to wear her crown during all public appearances as Miss America.
Wow..Miss America is so pretty.
My dad like Mr. Zanuk joined the Military at s younger age than was the legal age, interesting how that was not as rare as I thought. My dad was in the Korean war.
Arlene sounds half cut while introducing Cerf here. Hic!!
By the end of the programme she looks ready for beddybyes.
This episode illustrates what has become one of the worst features of this great show. The panel waste half the show's time asking intentionally convoluted questions just trying to avoid a "No" answer. This caused the pace of the show and interest in some guests to suffer badly imo..
Arlene had a few on the way in that night.
This was the year and the decade that everyone loved and appreciated Miss America. Sadly, other than myself and others most people don't care to know who Miss America is, and most people treat the pageant and winner as old fashion and out of touch with today's society which is totally not true at all.
I think Miss America became a cultural bore with the advent of changing ideas in society toward women. I am 67 so, of course, loved it growing up. By the late 60s, approaching adulthood, my friends and I and most women thought it unimportant....just more judging women on superficial attributes.
Kaza...is there still a Miss America pageant?
Feminists hate Miss America because her beauty makes their ugliness more noticeable, and I don't mean their physical appearance.
This is the first time I've ever heard the panel pronounce rodeo as Row-dee-yo, as apposed to their normal Row-day-yo
First time for everything.
I noticed that too
They mispronounced many words. Their affected speech distorted words on a regular basis.
Bennett did it a lot.
They are New Yorkers who have little knowledge outside of their realm . Anything in the West is foreign to them.
Notice how Arlene mispronounced Salinas,CA as Salina, KS? It is a matter of exposure.
I do love Arlene but I’m quite sure all of us who watch every episode notice that she is a bit inebriated in this episode. 😊 I wouldn’t blame her, though! Probably just too much celebrating of one sort or another! ❤
Darryl f. Zanuck appears confused
*_PRESIDENT OF 20TH CENTURY FOX_* (AN ABSOLUTE SNOOZEFEST)
*_PROFESSIONAL JOCKEY_*
I'm surprised that the panel had such a difficult time with Darryl Zanuck. Miss America was poised. Arlene seemed particularly happy on this night, and I wonder if Art ever did guess any occupation correctly?
David Pierce
I wondered the same thing when Art made that comment. According to IMDb he appeared twice more as a panelist over the next couple of years, so I'm looking forward to finding out when I watch those episodes. I think both those episodes have already been posted on this channel (Nov.11,1962 & Oct.20, 1963), so you can check them out if you haven't already. I'd rather be surprised when I get to those episodes chronologically, so if anyone wants to reply with the answer here, could you please include a "spoiler alert" ahead of the answer?
SaveThe TPC I just checked his IMDB page and it appears he actually appeared as a panelist 8 times in his career and a few other times as the mystery guest. I've definitely seen him guess a profession before and it was prior to this episode. He appeared once in 1959 and twice in 1961 so it has to be one of those three because I'm watching them in order so those are the only ones I've seen before this one.
Jeff Vaughn
Well, now you've inspired my curiosity to go back and watch the 1959 & 61 episodes you mentioned to see if Art actually _had_ guessed a profession before this and was only exaggerating when he said he never had! If I find an example of him guessing a profession in one of those, I'll let you know. By now I have watched all the later episodes he was on, but I'll let you find out for yourself about those too, since you haven't gotten there yet.... ;)
I'll be curious to know if my memory is correct. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he did get one because I remember him gloating a little. Let me know. Thanks!
Jeff Vaughn SaveThe TPC You are correct. It hasn't been that long, relatively speaking, since I watched it, and I remember it too, so it took but a moment to find it thanks to Gary's excellent descriptions and organization: Oct. 15, 1961, his most recent appearance prior to this one.
Zanuck's segment was painful to watch. Too bad it wasn't part of a "lost" episode.
His attempt at French is painful to hear. Obviously, he never studied it seriously, I speak and teach French; so it is even more painful .
This should have been the third segment Mystery Guest. Because we are guessing what he does is the boring part. It should be: we are guessing who he is!
cats pajamas Spot on.
What was Daryl Zanuck piece published by Random House?
Jacqueline resembled Elinor Donohue
Mystery guest Hell
Someone commented on how awkward this episode was. That's an understatement. Zanuck's segment was the worst ever. Dorothy started badly, Linkletter's questions were just awful and confusing ("May we not assume... yes, no, he is not") , Zanuck's mumbled answers in 2 languages were confusing, and JCD's ramblings made it worse and befuddled everyone, and in the end, no one explained how Bennett published Zanuck even tho Zanuck never wrote a book or a play. .
I wonder if Zanuck’s book was an autobiography or another type of nonfiction.
Actually Jacqueline Mayer was Miss America 1963; not 1962
this episode of WML was filmed in 1962 and Jacqueline Mayer was 1963 miss America!! how is that possible?
Her reign is projected into the following year.
Miss America was usually selected in September for a reign the next year. This program was in September. 1962. Thus she was Miss America 1963.
Interesting. Watching this the day they announced the merger of Fox & Disney
150K subs; DEC 5 2023!
Fifteen minutes.
The longest stay.
Women were not only beautiful in those days, but poised as well. Women are often offensive on tv today
I totally agree. Just watch the way Miss America got up from her chair and walked over to shake the panelists' hands. Feminine elegance and poise that is gone. The overwhelming majority of celebrities today are pigs, big mouths, and quite frankly disgusting.
The pacing of this show was glacial. Over half the air time was consumed by the forst guest/
I've been watching this show for years and this is the first episode I can say that I didn't enjoy. What a snoozefest that guest was!
Arlene always checks the women's asses out as they leave lol
Or has a headache
This Miss America had a near fatal stroke at 28. Google he for more info.
The panel was definitely not in good form on this episode! Their questions were absurdly convoluted, especially Linkletter, and Dorothy must've eaten something that didn't agree with her.
20:46 Jacqueline Mayer
Zanuck was equally dull on a different episode of the show.
Well, TTTT I hardly got to the 16 minutes of the episode.
I'm sorry to admit never before have I watched so boring and conceited mystery guest on WML !!!
I mean Mr. Zanuck, certainly- with all due respect to his obvious reputation... etc.
He does not come across conceited to me. He was a Hollywood maverick!!!
TTTT is an abbreviation for To Tell The Truth, I believe.
You read Mr.Zanuck wrong.
@Lewsome Lollies TTTT is To Tell The Truth (haven't you ever SEEN that show)?!
Seems to mere there was a Miss something every 5 weeks or so... lol
Darryl Z sucked all the fun out of the show. What a downer
I was thinking the reverse. The arrogance of the panel, whom I generally adore, was so blatant and when it was revealed the super famous director was the guest, the panel certainly changed in their attitudes.
Mood hoover