Part of the greatness of Bonham was that many times he and John Paul seemed like one guy playing two instruments at the same time. They had musical telepathy.
Really appreciate the shout out! Thank you, Nate. Very cool video! 👍🏻😁 Something I should mention.... you are playing the beat a bit differently than I play it. I don't often do two strokes with my right hand. I believe that Bonzo was pretty much doing consistent singles, with some flams, so sometimes you can hear a left hand double which creates a flam between the tom and the floor tom. Also when he crashes the cymbal, he always does it in tandem with a left hand note on the Tom. I don't believe he played the snare drum really on this song at all because I don't hear that high pitched tone.
@@gregcable3250 that’s your opinion…for almost 30 years after John Bonham death until when Ginger Baker passed to this day music world talks about how great John Bonham’s drumming, the only Ginger you hear about then to this day was that beautiful girl on Gilligan’s Island tv shows., John Bonham died young(32 years young) musicians all over the world considered him the greatest drummer then, imagine if he would lived longer. 😂
I mostly play jazz now, but Bonham is the reason why I still play drums today. It was him that made me love drums in the first place. Has a huge influence on me and a very special place in my heart
It's unfortunate there are labels on musicians but in retrospect Bonham was a jazz drummer, rock drummer, Brazilian drummer, etc., playing whatever style the music called for. One only has to hear him reference Max Roach often in his drum solos as an example of his wide virtuosity.
@@frankspikes7858 Of course we all do, but he is on record crediting Morello with his style. In fact, watch the drum solo in the movie The Song Remains the Same. That is Morello all day long, especialky the hamd drumming. But yes, you are right.
@@Meme-zc4cw Ned from Spain here, don't forget the amazing Papa Jo Jones and his hand drumming which was from waaaayyyy back when. Here's quick and rare one from 1957 ua-cam.com/video/fxtik6ektQY/v-deo.html He'd been doing them since the swing days.
Jazz drumming and rock drumming are perceived as having a hard, defined separation between double-bass stomping brutes and mealy-mouthed cymbal ticklers. But a cursory look at history will show that jazz invented the drum set, invented how we approach it, and invented drummers like Ringo and Mitch Mitchell. Even death-metal chops can be traced directly back to tom rolls and double-bass patterns in big-band. But, of course, most drummers born in the last 50 years saw Neil Pert years before they saw Art Blakey, so even the most avid jazz nerds are inexorably linked to the 600 piece kits and break-neck beats of rock. So, yeah: Take off the leather jacket, and there's a turtle neck underneath......but the turtle-necks also have a leather jacket in the closet.
Go watch Bonzology, Bonzoleum and watch how they break down, play and talk about bonham’s playing and you will realise why bonzo is one of the greatest of all time
Bonham LOVED jazz. In the early years you can hear him using Max Roach’s “The Drum Also Waltzes” as the beginning of his solo (check the Royal Albert Hall performance from How The West Was Won). The thing that most “rock” drummers miss when they try to play “Bonham” is the inherent swing in his playing. Also, the reason he got the drum sound he did, was because he tuned his drums tighter than a “rock” drummer, more like a bop drummer, just on bigger drums. Also, if you’re going to mention “Rock & Roll”, you need to mention the Little Richard tune “You Keep a Knockin’” which is where he stole that intro from. Almost note for note exact. Lastly, if you’re going to make the jazz reference, you really should mention Zep’s BBC sessions, because you can hear multiple versions of the same songs and see how much Zep and Bonzo loved to improvise. They were basically a jazz band, just playing electric instruments. Also worth mentioning is the live version of Kashmir from How The West Was One. Those big fusion esc fills at the end were basically “Gospel Chops” 25 years before anyone coined that term. There’s SO many connections with Bonzo and jazz. Honestly kinda disappointed that you missed some of these.
This is great - I originally learnt drumming in the 70s with a Jazz / Blues drummer Dad and a Led Zep inspired teacher - life got in the way and i stopped playing for 38 years - then picked it up again - and WOW = what a time warp - I can see the jazz / bonham influence in so much of modern music - it really is amazing. I also love how the internet has enabled us to get so much information - so well done! I am subscribed!
The shout out to George Fludas!! His and Terry's Bonzoleum channels are go to references to anything Bonham related!! Thanks George for everything you do... I've seen the new content you put up recently with the new cymbal analysis.. awesome as always!! Hope you forgive the brain fart I had in the misspelling of your name!!
@@rosiemurray2611 The nerdiness going on between those two is on another level!! This video ua-cam.com/video/ogXUfunzW68/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BONHAMOLOGY of them hanging out and tuning a snare to match the tone of specific performance dates is just off the chart!! They're super fun to watch!
I think the best summation of Bonhams style was by Steve Taylor on his channel when he said something along the lines of "Bonham doesn't swing, he swaggers". Great video, always good to hear a self professed jazz nerd talk about the technicalities behind rock 😁
@@kirstencristobal3204 I'm a guitarist and Wes Montgomery is one of my biggest influences, but I didn't realize it until a few years ago. I never really listened to much jazz. Some of my favorite guitarists were influenced by him, but I never listened to him. Then when I did, I realized how many things I do on the guitar are indirect influences from Wes.
@@kirstencristobal3204, Vai hates jazz. He says it makes no sense to him. There’s a video of him asking his producer to turn off the jazz in the studio. He looks made physically ill by it. I’ll see if I can find the video.
@AltGrendel, The 3 big reasons for this jazz influence in drummers you dig, expands far more then rock drummers, fans,musicians, & just drummers overall. They are "Buddy Rich" "Max Roach" & "Gene Krupa." There's many others & various reasons, but the effect those 3 had by the beat of their drum, transcended drumming! From Bonham & Baker, Peart & Porcaro, or Carey & Copeland,etc... You also have to realize that prior to the creation of jazz music, drummers were falling asleep behind their drumset, restricted to banging out a 4/4 beat! Know that mentioning these 3 drum icons is an overall consensus, not personal opinions or to diminish any other great drummers in the past or present. *Peace & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul*
The story about Rock and Roll is that it's based on the intro of Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Goode. You can sing along the guitar part to get through insted of counting.
Check out “Keep a Knockin” by Little Richard ;) . Gotta give some love to Charles Connor if we’re gonna talk about the intro to Rock n’ Roll. Bonham was a big fan of Charles Connor.
Yes...they were playing around with classic “rock n roll” intros, like Johnny b Goode, which usually just featured a single guitar, and bonzo played along with it...then they just took out the guitar.
Considering that Bonham didn’t start playing drums when he was 16 and no lessons according to his son Jason . So 4 years on the drums he was in Zep . WOW . I play guitar but I like these drum videos . Cool video thanks
The rock n roll intro i heard was just following the accenting of the guitar into for Johny b good. It actually seems to be true, can’t remember where I heard it though
Jimmy Page says that Bonham started playing "Keep A Knocking (But You Can't Come In)" by Little Richard and he instinctively figured it out and he came up with the guitar part. Eventually, they figured out how it would be orchestrated.
Rod Morgenstein said it perfectly: Bonham had a touch on the drums we all strive for. Just like Buddy had command over the drums witch is still unmatched. So it’s not about technique etc. , it’s the unique character of these guys which you can’t really copy.
So I'm not the only none drummer here! I'm a guitarist but I really like this guys videos. Alot of guys on YT teaching/ talking about music/instrument techniques, can be a tad dogmatic in their attitude and are actually not that musical in their approach. This guy has a good attitude, pragmatic open and his drums aren't processed to a point of sounding plastic, the drums are recorded sounding real and natural.
OK so I'm learning something new, the "Boogada." Heard it all my life but never knew what it was called. But then again, I play bass. LOL!!! Thanks again.
Bonzo was the best. His drum sound, his ferosiousness, his speed and power - no drummer before or since has all of those qualities mixed into one person. I've listened to around 300+ Led Zeppelin bootlegs and some of the stuff he does live would floor many people. He was getting better and better as the years rolled on. John Bonham some times mimics the guitar riff and some times he mimicked the vocal lines. He played behind the beat, on top of the beat and ahead of the beat -- it was just about feel to him. He was a master. There is a really quick fill he does in Over the Top (the Out on the Tiles intro groove for his drum solo on their 1977 tour) at The Summit in Houston on May 21, 1977 - he does this insane fill that lasts about 2 seconds and I took the recording to a local drummer who knows how to translate drums, write it on the clef lines, etc --- he's phenomenal indeed. He heard the fill and couldn't believe it. It took him 15 to 20 mins to figure out what Bonzo did in that one fill and it took him another 5 to 7 mins to play it properly on the drums. He was impressed and confessed that he only knew LZ's/Bonham's studio albums and TSRTS album. He came away from it saying - "Bonham did the unexpected and there's no one who really plays like him that he's heard." The music teacher/drummer is in a great cover band and is a great guy. He was thoroughly impressed with what he heard.
He was a self-taught drummer that no one on earth in the history of the world could've done except for him, he was the chosen one.🙏 He was to the drums what Jimi Hendrix was to guitar. His technique, speed, his feel, and 10 more things he did was incomparable and unfathomable really. He had his own "sound" for crying out loud! 🤔No drummer before or since has had their own sound. A hard hitting rock drummer that could play like Buddy Rich and other great jazz drummers and self-taught??? And his feel was immeasurable. It doesn't even make sense. He was THE GREATEST end of story.
@@gregcable3250 Haha. You like Ginger Baker better and you're partial to him which is cool but he's not John Bonham, no one is Brother. Ginger definitely influenced Bonzo, definitely one of his biggest influences but Bonham was on another level or 2 or 10 above everyone, even the ones considered the best he's above them too.
I started drumming in 1976, and Bonham was a huge influence. He was doing what only most drummers could dream of. Unless they practiced, a lot. He's still the King of Rock drummers, and always will be. R.I.P. J.B. Great video!
This video really brought me back. I started drumming around 2001-2002 after watching a zeppelin dvd in middle school and many of the first songs I learned were Zeppelin songs. I would play dazed and confused, stairway, ramble on, good times, the ocean, etc over and over. I would even drum to the free form guitar solo in heartbreaker. I dont listen to zeppelin often anymore but its always fun hearing those songs
When I was growing up, we had the opportunity to see all legends from every genre play live. Most of the people that I went to music school with were also out gigging. Some of us are just crazy, stoner musicians. Thanks, your videos are great 👍
Hope Phil Collins can be looked at next. Lots of jazz and fusion in his catalogue, as well as his jazz only work as a member of Brand X. Arguably just as influential.
Nate! This is great. I spent my preteen & teenage years trying to learn/understand Bonham’s vocabulary. Wish we had you then. Anyways, if you’re considering doing a Jazz Drummer Considers series (I hope you are), may I suggest the self-proclaimed jazz drumming great of Cream, Ginger Baker?
Zeppelin's "Rock and Roll" is a remarkable tribute to the early days of rock and roll. The lyrics are a collage of famous early rock and roll songs. Page's solo is a classic E blue progression. And the drum intro is a tribute to the drum intro on a Little Richard song. I forget the title of that song at this moment, you can google it yourself.
Great show. I think bonham was a big inspiration to me when i started drums, well the whole band were. He just seemed to have a groove that others didn't have. Always great hearing your perspective Nafe so thanks.
Rock n Roll intro is lifted straight from Little Richard's Keep A Knockin. Bonhan was a big fan of Earl Palmer, but the drummer on the record is actually Charles Connor. m.ua-cam.com/video/RjuH-4xWVdY/v-deo.html
Only recently found out Moon played 2 or 3 Tom's the exact same size on those double bass kits. In a sense he was the most jazz in his approach to playing drums in a rock band. He kept time with ride cymbal rarely touched the hihat, he also used rimshots widely and wasn't predictable in his use of Tom fills and crash accents, very dynamic driving songs at different levels, rarely ever one level through a song.
@@I-LOG Yes I can totally see that in his technique, his movement around the kit was very free, on the verge of being loose not the typical linear, rigid moves of a typical rock drummer although Moon could play matched grip when he wanted to.
I just saw your video loved it. I'm a big drum fan. And Bonham fan I don't play any instruments but always wanted to learn but life always got in the way. But I am a big music lover. And always respected those who have the talent to play. Looking forward to watching more of your videos
The intro to Rock N Roll still sets my pulse racing even after all these years. I was 15 and in my first band when that album came out, and knew instantly the first time I heard, that my band was going to play it. After we had it down decently enough to try it live I lobbied to have it be our opener. It was a kick ass way to open our first set, and we were lucky enough to have a drummer who had the cojones to do the opening justice. Both he and I have managed to earn our livings as musicians, thanks in no small part to our early influences by Bonham and Page.
The famous Moby Dick drum solo from Albert Hall bites a lot of Max Roach lines as well as others. Bonham always sounded huge but unlike 90% of other rock drummers he had insane dynamics and finesse. Gad damn I love John Henry Bonham and spent the first 5 years of my drumming trying to be him, Jon Theodore and Tim Alexander from Primus.
I always felt that Bonham was maturing musically and had he lived he would have likely shown us even more control and finesse that he developed later in his drumming years and likely trying to pay even more homage to Buddy, Morello, Roach, Mouzon.... I imagine would have even taken inspiration from that great Buddy Rich album(I forget the album name) where Buddy puts his take on Rock standards. I can still remember that day in late September of 1980. It was around 7am when WYSP cut in on "Hotel California" and told us the bad news. I walked into school that day in total disbelief. I love so many fine drummers in Rock, Jazz, Soul, Country..... and Bonham got me started in 1974 at age 8 on the drums. ❤
I found this purely by UA-cam recommending it and really enjoyed it (I’m not a drummer). I was amazed to find you haven’t done a video of Danny Carey yet - namely the Pneuma video that every one else has… I’ll come back when you do ☺️
Great! job mate' only Bonham would lead with his left like most Brits on groove ghost fills, triplets and coming out of herta's and also the intro and first fill of Black Dog to name a few; this is why a lot of times Drummers may miss the plot when trying to emulate his playing :)
I would love to see your take on both Neil Peart and Danny Carey. I suspect that your description would go where many others have not. I appreciate you're sharing this video right now. Be well and Peace Out.
My fave booga-da ... is basically to have two floor toms and a single rack ... my preferred booga-da is right hand rack -then - left hand snare - kick ... then alternate right hand between rack and the two floor toms - my rig 26x16 Kick - 13x9 Rack Tom - 16x14 Floor Tom - 16x18 Floor Tom - 14x6.5 Snare.
I really thought the four sticks beat was a direct influence from the Krautrock band Can’s album Tago Mago , specifically the track paper house, that came out the same year 1971. The beats are nearly identical - anyway just a theory
There were so many great 1960s and 1970s drummers-Mitch Mitchell (loved Elvin Jones), Ian Paice, Neal Peart, Bill Ward, Ginger Baker, Bonham, etc. So many great jazz drummers during those decades too.
Hi nate. The Stairway Fill is more like Snare/tom/floor tom/kick + kick x 4 (the snare & 2 kicks x4 are on 16th & the Snare/tom/floor tom/kick is 32th triplets) followed by Snare/tom/kick x2 as 16th triplets.
I've played everything from Symphonic to Pipe Band and all genres in between. I've been influenced by people in all categories along the way. I've applied my learning from all to improve. i'm not sure if I made sense, but.... Thanks for the vid, you are well schooled. Cheers, Rod
The Rock n' Roll into is an almost exact copy of the 1957 version of KEEP A KNOCKIN' by Little Richard. Bonzo jamming it at a rehearsal and the guys latching onto it apparently. They'd have all known the song from their youth and just used that into to create a whole new song, maybe in homage to the old fifties rocker's. Play them back to back!! Thay both sound amazing to this day and stand up to just about anything to this day.
Listen to the drumming at just 0:41-0:51. So casual and nailed all of it. That is a combination of school and experience. Some can get there on natural talent. Some can do both. I think 80/20 was a cheeky example of the 80 of technique and the 20 of talent. It goes the other way. Is that because Jazz, Rock? No, it is learning and working at mastering a craft.
Hahaha Brush jockey !!! That's a good one ! , lets face it there are some inspiring Rock Drummers , Neil Peart , John Bonham , Ian Paice , Barriemore Barlow, Steve Gadd, Jeff Porcaro, Carmine Appice , the list just keeps going. They are all reasons why when rock went sideways in the 80's I went to Fusion and Guys like Billy Conham, Alphonse Mouzon, Tony Williams, Gary Novak , Vinny Colaiuta ,etc etc etc. The Bonham Rock&Roll pattern was based on Chuck Barry's Johnny B Goode intro Pattern
Michael Cavanaugh is another drummer you should look up. His work for King Gizzard is amazing and his solo stuff is also amazing. There's a video called T2JD of him solo drumming.
@@ryandonohue152 I'm reminded of Barlow's drumming on Thick As A Brick (very tight and very creative)...Bonham did admire him - and yet nowadays Barlow himself advises drummers not to be (what he now views his JT era drumming as) over-the-top...perhaps as a lover of both drumming (and I'm a drummer) and of history, I think his JT era drumming was "historically" appropriate and acceptable - that is, it was how drummers played in that period of history...I feel the same about (what I call) the sloppy drumming of the 60s; it was a part of and belongs to that era/decade...
OK I’ve been watching your channel for quite a while now, and I realize “as a bass player”… that like all my other bass player friends, I must have been switched at birth…I was supposed to be a drummer! Really love your channel.
The King of Beefcake drumming. Which, for me, is the best drumming when it doesn't get in the way of the song. Bonzo is probably the most influential of them all because of his FEEL. But his COMMAND of a song is just as unique. Where he chooses to sit on the beat still surprises. And he always makes it. So much of the DANGER in his FEEL comes from that. This song exists because of ME. It's a priceless gift a rare RARE few drummers possess.
I am late to the party - but as how the band knew when to come in when playing Rock and Roll? It was the intro beat to Keep A Knockin' by Little Richard, so having all been familiar with that song, the downbeat was not in question for any of them. Charles Connor, early trap kit rock drummer played a very similar figure. He was also a left handed drum kit player, so he rules right along with Earl Palmer as far as the early innovators go.
The outro always keeps me guessing. Sometimes it's the one tone whistle, sometimes the two. There's "and that's how you get the gig.." or the meta shattering combi-outro.
I’m not a drummer, so I can only argue my preferences as a punter, but Keith Moon is my favourite rock drummer - he’s just harder to assimilate into the general rock vocabulary
Enjoyable, but a couple points I'll throw in. Carmine Appice, not John Bonham, was the archetype for (hard) rock drumming as we know it today. His style was essentially Gene Krupa and Bernard Purdie on steroids. He influenced Bonham - also a Krupa and Purdie fan - and famously set the Zep drummer up with his big blonde Ludwig kit, which matched Carmine's, though the second bass drum was quickly abandoned, apparently on orders from Jimmy Page. And it is worth noting that Bonham, as with so many other British drummers was into jazz (Krupa, Rich, Morello...), so he had a grasp of swing. (So did his groove influencer, Purdie.) Jeff Beck's earliest drummers including Aynsley Dunbar, Micky Waller and Tony Newman, particularly the latter two, were early examples of jazz-rooted drummers with funky swagger (listen to Waller on Beck's 'Shapes of Things', and Newman on 'Plynth (Water Down the Drain)'. Other 60s/70s Brit pop and rock drummers with jazz roots included Bobby Elliott (Hollies), Ginger Baker (Cream, though more notably with the Graham Bond Organisation), Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix, Georgie Fame's Blue Flames), Jon Hiseman (Georgie Fames, Ian MacDonald (King Crimson), John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Colosseum....), Ian Paice (Deep Purple), Bluesbreakers Hughie Flint, Keef Hartley and Colin Allen, Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford, Ian Wallace, Brian 'Blinky'' Davidson (the Nice), Ian McCulloch (Greenslade) etc. It is somewhat ironic that so many rock drummers have no interest in learning even the fundamentals of jazz, yet their favourite rock drummers are who they are because of their exposure to jazz. Maybe that could be a topic for you. Swing and swagger are missing from the playing of so many drummers that it should be made a priority for learning. Technique, groove, speed, power...swing and swagger. This is Micky Waller with Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood on bass, and Jeff Beck. ua-cam.com/video/QXobprclSak/v-deo.html
Part of the greatness of Bonham was that many times he and John Paul seemed like one guy playing two instruments at the same time. They had musical telepathy.
They also had a way of playing behind the beat that gave them a great feel.
Really appreciate the shout out! Thank you, Nate. Very cool video! 👍🏻😁 Something I should mention.... you are playing the beat a bit differently than I play it. I don't often do two strokes with my right hand. I believe that Bonzo was pretty much doing consistent singles, with some flams, so sometimes you can hear a left hand double which creates a flam between the tom and the floor tom. Also when he crashes the cymbal, he always does it in tandem with a left hand note on the Tom. I don't believe he played the snare drum really on this song at all because I don't hear that high pitched tone.
Alright, a JAZZOFF......between you two!
wasn't just the chops, it was the REBELIOUS ENERGY of it., oh my god so many drummers just forget what rock is all about.
40 years after the dude died, people are still talking about his drumming.
Because he was so influential and because he was in the greatest rock band of all time. Period
2000+ years after a dude named Jesus died, people are still talking about him
Great drummer, but not as good as Ginger--who played Jazz and rock in the same band (and was really a jazz drummer).
@@gregcable3250 Meh
@@gregcable3250 that’s your opinion…for almost 30 years after John Bonham death until when Ginger Baker passed to this day music world talks about how great John Bonham’s drumming, the only Ginger you hear about then to this day was that beautiful girl on Gilligan’s Island tv shows., John Bonham died young(32 years young) musicians all over the world considered him the greatest drummer then, imagine if he would lived longer. 😂
Bonham was a mixture of soul drumming ,jazz and being a brick layer
I mostly play jazz now, but Bonham is the reason why I still play drums today. It was him that made me love drums in the first place. Has a huge influence on me and a very special place in my heart
It's unfortunate there are labels on musicians but in retrospect Bonham was a jazz drummer, rock drummer, Brazilian drummer, etc., playing whatever style the music called for.
One only has to hear him reference Max Roach often in his drum solos as an example of his wide virtuosity.
Bonham was a jazz drummer playing rock. Morello was his hero.
Also, everytime I watch your videos, I end up putting my drumset on Craigslist.
I would have to say he drew inspiration from a lot of different sources. Fool in the rain... Bernard Purdy. A lot of motown. Some Max Roach.
@@frankspikes7858 Of course we all do, but he is on record crediting Morello with his style. In fact, watch the drum solo in the movie The Song Remains the Same. That is Morello all day long, especialky the hamd drumming. But yes, you are right.
@@Meme-zc4cw Ok, that's cool. Morello is a legend.
@@Meme-zc4cw Ned from Spain here, don't forget the amazing Papa Jo Jones and his hand drumming which was from waaaayyyy back when. Here's quick and rare one from 1957 ua-cam.com/video/fxtik6ektQY/v-deo.html He'd been doing them since the swing days.
@@brewstergallery Word homie, WORD!!! Papa Jo Jones is awesome!
Jazz drumming and rock drumming are perceived as having a hard, defined separation between double-bass stomping brutes and mealy-mouthed cymbal ticklers. But a cursory look at history will show that jazz invented the drum set, invented how we approach it, and invented drummers like Ringo and Mitch Mitchell. Even death-metal chops can be traced directly back to tom rolls and double-bass patterns in big-band.
But, of course, most drummers born in the last 50 years saw Neil Pert years before they saw Art Blakey, so even the most avid jazz nerds are inexorably linked to the 600 piece kits and break-neck beats of rock. So, yeah: Take off the leather jacket, and there's a turtle neck underneath......but the turtle-necks also have a leather jacket in the closet.
I love this.
Probably historically accurate, but written poetically.
Peart.
Best rock drummer of all time - no question. One of the most influential of all time.
Go watch Bonzology, Bonzoleum and watch how they break down, play and talk about bonham’s playing and you will realise why bonzo is one of the greatest of all time
check out the videos I have of John Bonham
Bonhamology is a treasure trove. Even to practice zep as a guitar player.
So glad you included the great Bonhamology for this one!
Two other rock drummers with strong jazz influence: Michael Shrieve, Mitch Mitchell
Would love to see videos on those two!
Mitch is my favorite after Bonham
@@tobykelly4606 Mitch, Charlie and Bonzo are my three top rock drummers.
Michael Giles?
Bonham LOVED jazz. In the early years you can hear him using Max Roach’s “The Drum Also Waltzes” as the beginning of his solo (check the Royal Albert Hall performance from How The West Was Won). The thing that most “rock” drummers miss when they try to play “Bonham” is the inherent swing in his playing. Also, the reason he got the drum sound he did, was because he tuned his drums tighter than a “rock” drummer, more like a bop drummer, just on bigger drums. Also, if you’re going to mention “Rock & Roll”, you need to mention the Little Richard tune “You Keep a Knockin’” which is where he stole that intro from. Almost note for note exact. Lastly, if you’re going to make the jazz reference, you really should mention Zep’s BBC sessions, because you can hear multiple versions of the same songs and see how much Zep and Bonzo loved to improvise. They were basically a jazz band, just playing electric instruments. Also worth mentioning is the live version of Kashmir from How The West Was One. Those big fusion esc fills at the end were basically “Gospel Chops” 25 years before anyone coined that term. There’s SO many connections with Bonzo and jazz. Honestly kinda disappointed that you missed some of these.
The Rock n Roll intro is inspired by Chuck Berry's Johnny B Goode not Little Richard's Keep a Knockin'....I'm kinda disappointed you miss that one.
@@alexscott730 It's more similar to Run Rudolph Run....it is not the same as either JBG or Keep a Knockin'. Similar , but not the same.
This is great - I originally learnt drumming in the 70s with a Jazz / Blues drummer Dad and a Led Zep inspired teacher - life got in the way and i stopped playing for 38 years - then picked it up again - and WOW = what a time warp - I can see the jazz / bonham influence in so much of modern music - it really is amazing. I also love how the internet has enabled us to get so much information - so well done! I am subscribed!
The shout out to George Fludas!! His and Terry's Bonzoleum channels are go to references to anything Bonham related!!
Thanks George for everything you do... I've seen the new content you put up recently with the new cymbal analysis.. awesome as always!! Hope you forgive the brain fart I had in the misspelling of your name!!
GEORGE RULES
these channels of guys who've devoted their lives to studying Bonham's playing are astonishing archives, they are truly wonderful
@@rosiemurray2611 The nerdiness going on between those two is on another level!! This video ua-cam.com/video/ogXUfunzW68/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BONHAMOLOGY of them hanging out and tuning a snare to match the tone of specific performance dates is just off the chart!! They're super fun to watch!
Thanks all. My name is spelled Fludas. 😁👍🏻
George is a great jazz drummer who also happens to be one if not the best when it comes to John Bonham covers
So was he! Bonzo started with Jazz, hence his "swing" feel
I always get nervous when the phone is on the tom.. especially when Bonzo is in the mix!
Ps - your outros are top shelf
I think the best summation of Bonhams style was by Steve Taylor on his channel when he said something along the lines of "Bonham doesn't swing, he swaggers". Great video, always good to hear a self professed jazz nerd talk about the technicalities behind rock 😁
Thanx for this vid! Bonham was deeper than he got credit for..even tho he's so widely renowned
I’ve found that most of the rock groups I really liked have drummers that had a strong jazz influence.
Even most guitar shredders like Vai and Petrucci always cite jazz guitarists are their biggest influences
@@kirstencristobal3204 I'm a guitarist and Wes Montgomery is one of my biggest influences, but I didn't realize it until a few years ago. I never really listened to much jazz. Some of my favorite guitarists were influenced by him, but I never listened to him. Then when I did, I realized how many things I do on the guitar are indirect influences from Wes.
@@kirstencristobal3204 Vai loved blackmore
@@kirstencristobal3204, Vai hates jazz. He says it makes no sense to him. There’s a video of him asking his producer to turn off the jazz in the studio. He looks made physically ill by it. I’ll see if I can find the video.
@AltGrendel, The 3 big reasons for this jazz influence in drummers you dig, expands far more then rock drummers, fans,musicians, & just drummers overall. They are "Buddy Rich" "Max Roach" & "Gene Krupa." There's many others & various reasons, but the effect those 3 had by the beat of their drum, transcended drumming! From Bonham & Baker, Peart & Porcaro, or Carey & Copeland,etc... You also have to realize that prior to the creation of jazz music, drummers were falling asleep behind their drumset, restricted to banging out a 4/4 beat! Know that mentioning these 3 drum icons is an overall consensus, not personal opinions or to diminish any other great drummers in the past or present. *Peace & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul*
The story about Rock and Roll is that it's based on the intro of Chuck Berry's Johnny B. Goode. You can sing along the guitar part to get through insted of counting.
Ooooh I know it! See I knew somebody in the comments would have the inside story.
Check out “Keep a Knockin” by Little Richard ;) . Gotta give some love to Charles Connor if we’re gonna talk about the intro to Rock n’ Roll. Bonham was a big fan of Charles Connor.
That’s where it came from
It's actually based on Keep A-Knockin by Little Richard, but they're both very close!
Yes...they were playing around with classic “rock n roll” intros, like Johnny b Goode, which usually just featured a single guitar, and bonzo played along with it...then they just took out the guitar.
Considering that Bonham didn’t start playing drums when he was 16 and no lessons according to his son Jason . So 4 years on the drums he was in Zep . WOW . I play guitar but I like these drum videos . Cool video thanks
There's also the Steve Smith Boogada in Separate Ways.
George Fludas has more insight into Bonham/Zep lore than anyone I know. He's also a seriously versatile player.
The rock n roll intro i heard was just following the accenting of the guitar into for Johny b good. It actually seems to be true, can’t remember where I heard it though
Its the intro to a song called Keep a knockin' by Little Richard
Bonzolium did a whole video on it. The intro starts on three-and. It contours against the opening to Johnny b. Goode.
"Skinny stick brush jockey?!?!" What in the world??😂😂😂
Jimmy Page says that Bonham started playing "Keep A Knocking (But You Can't Come In)" by Little Richard and he instinctively figured it out and he came up with the guitar part. Eventually, they figured out how it would be orchestrated.
I've heard the same from many musicians
Rod Morgenstein said it perfectly: Bonham had a touch on the drums we all strive for. Just like Buddy had command over the drums witch is still unmatched. So it’s not about technique etc. , it’s the unique character of these guys which you can’t really copy.
Well stated!
Rod is God
I don't play the drums, but I always love your videos.
You should start
So I'm not the only none drummer here! I'm a guitarist but I really like this guys videos. Alot of guys on YT teaching/ talking about music/instrument techniques, can be a tad dogmatic in their attitude and are actually not that musical in their approach. This guy has a good attitude, pragmatic open and his drums aren't processed to a point of sounding plastic, the drums are recorded sounding real and natural.
OK so I'm learning something new, the "Boogada." Heard it all my life but never knew what it was called. But then again, I play bass. LOL!!! Thanks again.
Bonzo was the best. His drum sound, his ferosiousness, his speed and power - no drummer before or since has all of those qualities mixed into one person.
I've listened to around 300+ Led Zeppelin bootlegs and some of the stuff he does live would floor many people. He was getting better and better as the years rolled on.
John Bonham some times mimics the guitar riff and some times he mimicked the vocal lines. He played behind the beat, on top of the beat and ahead of the beat -- it was just about feel to him. He was a master.
There is a really quick fill he does in Over the Top (the Out on the Tiles intro groove for his drum solo on their 1977 tour) at The Summit in Houston on May 21, 1977 - he does this insane fill that lasts about 2 seconds and I took the recording to a local drummer who knows how to translate drums, write it on the clef lines, etc --- he's phenomenal indeed.
He heard the fill and couldn't believe it. It took him 15 to 20 mins to figure out what Bonzo did in that one fill and it took him another 5 to 7 mins to play it properly on the drums.
He was impressed and confessed that he only knew LZ's/Bonham's studio albums and TSRTS album.
He came away from it saying - "Bonham did the unexpected and there's no one who really plays like him that he's heard."
The music teacher/drummer is in a great cover band and is a great guy. He was thoroughly impressed with what he heard.
omg I was today years old when I learned "Four Sticks" is played with four sticks
You're not alone. Now excuse me while I hang a "Bang Head Here" sign on computer room wall.
@@88wildcat Should've called it five sticks after the time signature. Bonzo puts fifth stick in his mouth like a bone.
I didn't know either until I saw the late Michael Lee play it with four sticks on the Page/Plant tour!
Don’t ever use that saying again
He was a self-taught drummer that no one on earth in the history of the world could've done except for him, he was the chosen one.🙏 He was to the drums what Jimi Hendrix was to guitar. His technique, speed, his feel, and 10 more things he did was incomparable and unfathomable really. He had his own "sound" for crying out loud! 🤔No drummer before or since has had their own sound. A hard hitting rock drummer that could play like Buddy Rich and other great jazz drummers and self-taught??? And his feel was immeasurable. It doesn't even make sense. He was THE GREATEST end of story.
GInger Baker was better, but I loved Bonzo.
@@gregcable3250 Haha. You like Ginger Baker better and you're partial to him which is cool but he's not John Bonham, no one is Brother. Ginger definitely influenced Bonzo, definitely one of his biggest influences but Bonham was on another level or 2 or 10 above everyone, even the ones considered the best he's above them too.
I started drumming in 1976, and Bonham was a huge influence. He was doing what only most drummers could dream of. Unless they practiced, a lot. He's still the King of Rock drummers, and always will be. R.I.P. J.B.
Great video!
The Rock and Roll intro was taken from Little Richard’s “Keep-a-Knockin”
This video really brought me back.
I started drumming around 2001-2002 after watching a zeppelin dvd in middle school and many of the first songs I learned were Zeppelin songs. I would play dazed and confused, stairway, ramble on, good times, the ocean, etc over and over. I would even drum to the free form guitar solo in heartbreaker.
I dont listen to zeppelin often anymore but its always fun hearing those songs
When I was growing up, we had the opportunity to see all legends from every genre play live. Most of the people that I went to music school with were also out gigging. Some of us are just crazy, stoner musicians. Thanks, your videos are great 👍
Hope Phil Collins can be looked at next. Lots of jazz and fusion in his catalogue, as well as his jazz only work as a member of Brand X. Arguably just as influential.
Phil Collins is an absolute monster. What a creative, inventive, technical yet tasteful drummer!
@@Ogilla I’m so glad someone else feels that way.
@@Ogilla better than Bonham!
@@Alfred_-vp9ys you’re kidding right? You haven’t listened to early Genesis, don’t think Bonham could handle it.
Nate! This is great. I spent my preteen & teenage years trying to learn/understand Bonham’s vocabulary. Wish we had you then.
Anyways, if you’re considering doing a Jazz Drummer Considers series (I hope you are), may I suggest the self-proclaimed jazz drumming great of Cream, Ginger Baker?
Zeppelin's "Rock and Roll" is a remarkable tribute to the early days of rock and roll. The lyrics are a collage of famous early rock and roll songs. Page's solo is a classic E blue progression. And the drum intro is a tribute to the drum intro on a Little Richard song. I forget the title of that song at this moment, you can google it yourself.
Nate you rock dude!! Not even just for a jazz drummer. You Rock!!!🥁❤
Great show. I think bonham was a big inspiration to me when i started drums, well the whole band were. He just seemed to have a groove that others didn't have. Always great hearing your perspective Nafe so thanks.
Rock n Roll intro is lifted straight from Little Richard's Keep A Knockin. Bonhan was a big fan of Earl Palmer, but the drummer on the record is actually Charles Connor.
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Would love to see a jazzer’s perspective on Keith Moon The Loon
I second this!
Hmm
Only recently found out Moon played 2 or 3 Tom's the exact same size on those double bass kits.
In a sense he was the most jazz in his approach to playing drums in a rock band.
He kept time with ride cymbal rarely touched the hihat, he also used rimshots widely and wasn't predictable in his use of Tom fills and crash accents, very dynamic driving songs at different levels, rarely ever one level through a song.
@@johncollins5552 He was inspired by big band drummers like Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich, so the "jazzness" in his playing makes a lot of sense.
@@I-LOG Yes I can totally see that in his technique, his movement around the kit was very free, on the verge of being loose not the typical linear, rigid moves of a typical rock drummer although Moon could play matched grip when he wanted to.
I just saw your video loved it. I'm a big drum fan. And Bonham fan I don't play any instruments but always wanted to learn but life always got in the way. But I am a big music lover. And always respected those who have the talent to play. Looking forward to watching more of your videos
How nice to have such a positive prospective of rock drumming from a jazz drummer .
The intro to Rock N Roll still sets my pulse racing even after all these years. I was 15 and in my first band when that album came out, and knew instantly the first time I heard, that my band was going to play it. After we had it down decently enough to try it live I lobbied to have it be our opener. It was a kick ass way to open our first set, and we were lucky enough to have a drummer who had the cojones to do the opening justice. Both he and I have managed to earn our livings as musicians, thanks in no small part to our early influences by Bonham and Page.
lOVED THIS VIDEO ! Thanks for the no nonsense approach and the easy to understand lesson. SUBBED.
The famous Moby Dick drum solo from Albert Hall bites a lot of Max Roach lines as well as others. Bonham always sounded huge but unlike 90% of other rock drummers he had insane dynamics and finesse. Gad damn I love John Henry Bonham and spent the first 5 years of my drumming trying to be him, Jon Theodore and Tim Alexander from Primus.
Mr Bonham, the best ever used to listen to soul music before going on stage
I always felt that Bonham was maturing musically and had he lived he would have likely shown us even more control and finesse that he developed later in his drumming years and likely trying to pay even more homage to Buddy, Morello, Roach, Mouzon....
I imagine would have even taken inspiration from that great Buddy Rich album(I forget the album name) where Buddy puts his take on Rock standards.
I can still remember that day in late September of 1980. It was around 7am when WYSP cut in on "Hotel California" and told us the bad news. I walked into school that day in total disbelief.
I love so many fine drummers in Rock, Jazz, Soul, Country..... and Bonham got me started in 1974 at age 8 on the drums.
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+1 like not just for Bonham, but also the Chris Cornell shout-out.
"Audios!" lol. Thanks, Nate. Your videos always cheer me up and chill me out.
I found this purely by UA-cam recommending it and really enjoyed it (I’m not a drummer). I was amazed to find you haven’t done a video of Danny Carey yet - namely the Pneuma video that every one else has… I’ll come back when you do ☺️
Great! job mate' only Bonham would lead with his left like most Brits on groove ghost fills, triplets and coming out of herta's and also the intro and first fill of Black Dog to name a few; this is why a lot of times Drummers may miss the plot when trying to emulate his playing :)
Thank you for breaking down that Stairway fill!
i love jazz, considering myself mainly as a jazz/funk drummer but hell i do love John Bonham !!!!
All genres of music can be heard in Bonham's playing. That's why he is still No.1 rock drummer.
Terrific. Simplified with ease!
Beautifully made video! Rock on!
Awesome video Nate. You be crushing it lately.
I used to have nearly that same satin flame Round Badge kit but mine was sunset. Good video as usual, thanks.
I would love to see your take on both Neil Peart and Danny Carey. I suspect that your description would go where many others have not. I appreciate you're sharing this video right now. Be well and Peace Out.
My fave booga-da ... is basically to have two floor toms and a single rack ... my preferred booga-da is right hand rack -then - left hand snare - kick ... then alternate right hand between rack and the two floor toms - my rig 26x16 Kick - 13x9 Rack Tom - 16x14 Floor Tom - 16x18 Floor Tom - 14x6.5 Snare.
I really thought the four sticks beat was a direct influence from the Krautrock band Can’s album Tago Mago , specifically the track paper house, that came out the same year 1971. The beats are nearly identical - anyway just a theory
There were so many great 1960s and 1970s drummers-Mitch Mitchell (loved Elvin Jones), Ian Paice, Neal Peart, Bill Ward, Ginger Baker, Bonham, etc. So many great jazz drummers during those decades too.
Mitchell has to be the jazziest rocker ever. His playing stands out almost as much as Jimi which is really saying something.
Great lesson. Thanks.
Hi nate. The Stairway Fill is more like Snare/tom/floor tom/kick + kick x 4 (the snare & 2 kicks x4 are on 16th & the Snare/tom/floor tom/kick is 32th triplets) followed by Snare/tom/kick x2 as 16th triplets.
I've played everything from Symphonic to Pipe Band and all genres in between. I've been influenced by people in all categories along the way. I've applied my learning from all to improve. i'm not sure if I made sense, but.... Thanks for the vid, you are well schooled. Cheers, Rod
The opening of Rock n Roll always reminds me of Charles Connor's drumming on Little Richard's 'Keep a Knockin'.
The most will known "bugada" (sic?) in rock is the serial burst of them in the intro to Grand Funk Railroad's "We're an American Band"
Well said , influence and feel , contributed to the richness of the performance
The Rock n' Roll into is an almost exact copy of the 1957 version of
KEEP A KNOCKIN' by
Little Richard.
Bonzo jamming it at a rehearsal and the guys latching onto it apparently.
They'd have all known the song from their youth and just used that into to create a whole new song, maybe in homage to the old fifties rocker's.
Play them back to back!! Thay both sound amazing to this day and stand up to just about anything to this day.
The first pattern of the stairway fill is actually a herta
Ah - rhythmically I think you're right. I think we're both right tho, because in that herta the snare accents still fall on dotted 8ths. phew :P
@@8020drummer yeah
Nice to see you reference George Fludas.
Honestly I love the drums on the Rain song. Honestly I love all the drums from zeppelin!
I always say that no one had the combination of power & finesse like John Henry Bonham. The Rain Song is the best example of this.
Listen to the drumming at just 0:41-0:51. So casual and nailed all of it. That is a combination of school and experience. Some can get there on natural talent. Some can do both. I think 80/20 was a cheeky example of the 80 of technique and the 20 of talent. It goes the other way. Is that because Jazz, Rock? No, it is learning and working at mastering a craft.
Well done. It’s midnight and I might have to get up and go to the basement to try some of this.
Hahaha Brush jockey !!! That's a good one ! , lets face it there are some inspiring Rock Drummers , Neil Peart , John Bonham , Ian Paice , Barriemore Barlow, Steve Gadd, Jeff Porcaro, Carmine Appice , the list just keeps going. They are all reasons why when rock went sideways in the 80's I went to Fusion and Guys like Billy Conham, Alphonse Mouzon, Tony Williams, Gary Novak , Vinny Colaiuta ,etc etc etc. The Bonham Rock&Roll pattern was based on Chuck Barry's Johnny B Goode intro Pattern
Regarding the intro to Rock And Roll: Think the guitar intro to Johnny B Goode, or Run Rudolph Run.
That's what Bonham was mimicking.
Yes, much more like Run Rudolph than Johnny B. Goode
Great video thanks! I’d love to hear your thoughts on Collins; Battle, Apocalypse, Cinema?!
Love your show. very understandable. Thanks.
My favorite drummer! Awesome video man
Great video! Thanks for making it!
i've always loved that Rollins Band cover of four sticks
Michael Cavanaugh is another drummer you should look up. His work for King Gizzard is amazing and his solo stuff is also amazing. There's a video called T2JD of him solo drumming.
Bonham loved Jethro Tull’s drummer,Barriemore Barlow.
yeah bro, he called him "the greatest drummer england has ever produced"
Barlow was way ahead of his time.. Technical beast imo.
@@ryandonohue152 I'm reminded of Barlow's drumming on Thick As A Brick (very tight and very creative)...Bonham did admire him - and yet nowadays Barlow himself advises drummers not to be (what he now views his JT era drumming as) over-the-top...perhaps as a lover of both drumming (and I'm a drummer) and of history, I think his JT era drumming was "historically" appropriate and acceptable - that is, it was how drummers played in that period of history...I feel the same about (what I call) the sloppy drumming of the 60s; it was a part of and belongs to that era/decade...
I always thought BB was more interesting and creative then Neil Peart who stood much more in the drumcommunity spotlight.
OK I’ve been watching your channel for quite a while now, and I realize “as a bass player”… that like all my other bass player friends, I must have been switched at birth…I was supposed to be a drummer!
Really love your channel.
Bonham had a style that makes me think He loved Art Blakey’s drumming.
The King of Beefcake drumming. Which, for me, is the best drumming when it doesn't get in the way of the song. Bonzo is probably the most influential of them all because of his FEEL. But his COMMAND of a song is just as unique. Where he chooses to sit on the beat still surprises. And he always makes it. So much of the DANGER in his FEEL comes from that. This song exists because of ME. It's a priceless gift a rare RARE few drummers possess.
“Skinny stick brush jockey.” 🤣😂🤣 omg that was awesome
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I am late to the party - but as how the band knew when to come in when playing Rock and Roll? It was the intro beat to Keep A Knockin' by Little Richard, so having all been familiar with that song, the downbeat was not in question for any of them. Charles Connor, early trap kit rock drummer played a very similar figure. He was also a left handed drum kit player, so he rules right along with Earl Palmer as far as the early innovators go.
The outro always keeps me guessing. Sometimes it's the one tone whistle, sometimes the two. There's "and that's how you get the gig.." or the meta shattering combi-outro.
Nicely done!
I’m not a drummer, so I can only argue my preferences as a punter, but Keith Moon is my favourite rock drummer - he’s just harder to assimilate into the general rock vocabulary
‘Brush Jockey’ 😂 love your vids man👍🏻
Enjoyable, but a couple points I'll throw in. Carmine Appice, not John Bonham, was the archetype for (hard) rock drumming as we know it today. His style was essentially Gene Krupa and Bernard Purdie on steroids. He influenced Bonham - also a Krupa and Purdie fan - and famously set the Zep drummer up with his big blonde Ludwig kit, which matched Carmine's, though the second bass drum was quickly abandoned, apparently on orders from Jimmy Page. And it is worth noting that Bonham, as with so many other British drummers was into jazz (Krupa, Rich, Morello...), so he had a grasp of swing. (So did his groove influencer, Purdie.) Jeff Beck's earliest drummers including Aynsley Dunbar, Micky Waller and Tony Newman, particularly the latter two, were early examples of jazz-rooted drummers with funky swagger (listen to Waller on Beck's 'Shapes of Things', and Newman on 'Plynth (Water Down the Drain)'. Other 60s/70s Brit pop and rock drummers with jazz roots included Bobby Elliott (Hollies), Ginger Baker (Cream, though more notably with the Graham Bond Organisation), Mitch Mitchell (Hendrix, Georgie Fame's Blue Flames), Jon Hiseman (Georgie Fames, Ian MacDonald (King Crimson), John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, Colosseum....), Ian Paice (Deep Purple), Bluesbreakers Hughie Flint, Keef Hartley and Colin Allen, Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford, Ian Wallace, Brian 'Blinky'' Davidson (the Nice), Ian McCulloch (Greenslade) etc.
It is somewhat ironic that so many rock drummers have no interest in learning even the fundamentals of jazz, yet their favourite rock drummers are who they are because of their exposure to jazz.
Maybe that could be a topic for you. Swing and swagger are missing from the playing of so many drummers that it should be made a priority for learning. Technique, groove, speed, power...swing and swagger.
This is Micky Waller with Rod Stewart, Ronnie Wood on bass, and Jeff Beck. ua-cam.com/video/QXobprclSak/v-deo.html
The tuning of your drums are great-especially the floor tom-how did you get that? Thanks
Bravo on the four sticks breakdown 👏
I really enjoyed this video! Thanks!