I remember the satisfaction of figuring out that Stairway to Heaven lick in high school in the 70's, only took a week straight! God bless my mom, never complained once. Loved this lesson!
Wonderful! One quick thing about the Bonham "boogadah" on "Stairway": Bonham plays a double kick after the floor tom in each of the dotteted 8ths boogadah's. It's really hard to hear it at first, but it's there! Thanks again for another wonderful lesson!
That "For Big Sid" rhythm/riff actually goes back to the tune "Boff Boff" recorded by the 1944 Esquire All-Stars (Big Sid, Coleman Hawkins, Art Tatum, Cootie Williams, Edmond Hall, Al Casey, and Oscar Pettiford).
I had the extreme pleaasure of attending a drum clinic with Mr. Roach. He was probably in his mid 70's, He did some Q&A then sat behind this little kit with his navy blue double breasted blazer and a pair of mallets and started to play. It was at that moment I discovered where Bonham nicked the Bonham licks. Utterly amazing. Another drummer showed up just as a member of the audience to pay tribute to Mr Roach. He wasn't part of the clinic but they let Steve Smith play anyway.
It is such a fun lick to play, what a triumph the day I figured it out the first time (as I'm sure for all of us). Bonham closes the Stairway lick with a (pick-up)kick floor-rack-kick (triplet on the beat) snare boogada. If you watch The Song Remains the Same, he famously ends Moby Dick with a flourish of floor-rack-kick boogadas (even getting some cross sticking in the mix) as being right-handed he lead with the floor for the 3 note boogadas. As I always thought in a downward fashion tone wise, I've always gone rack-floor-kick for my 3 note versions. Just the way I felt it, go figure. And don't forget the boogadas in Dazed and Confused to end the guitar solo, as well as the other pick-up sections from the verses to the 'chorus', if you will.. Editing to mention one more boogada, that's subtle but no less effective. Listen to Bill Bruford on (for starters) Heart of the Sunrise. He plays obvious hand reversing boogadas between hat/snare/kick, as well as tom/snare/kick. Maybe not flashy fast, but still cool sounding. And, Steve Smith's version of Blues for Big Sid from a drum complation VHS (!) video from the early 90s is simply awesome. Fellow UA-camr Austin Burcham (where'd he go btw?) broke down one of Steve's melodic ideas from that video. When I first bought it back then, I was not fully aware of Max and just what he did for the drumset, and solo drum compositions. An eye opener...
Love the backward/forward. I also love pridgen throwing the unironic/non-hipsterized boogada in that solo clip. Crazy dude who kinda lit me up on instagram last month, but gotta love him.
Does anyone know some other drum solo that incorporates the max roach lick EXACTLY? I can't remember but I've heard it before. My best guess is buddy rich
Queens of the Stone Age: Song for the Dead triplets “Boogadah, Boogadah,Boogadah, high energy ending and Very Strong building/suspenseful Intro of song(Full Album as well)played masterfully by Dave Grohl. His herta’s on the “No one Knows” drum fill sections are what it’s all about. Jon the newest QOTSA drummer track “I Appear Missing” extended album version and the live extended version are also fantastic and worth checking out.
The version you played starting the snare on the dotted eights, at 4:50 in, almost sounds like you are using the lick like a 3/2 clave (the one Porcaro used in Rosanna, not the Bo Diddley one where the final two beats are on the beat).
Bonham got it (and some other things) from Carmine Appice. Vanilla Fudge and Carmine get overlooked a bit but Carmine was revolutionary.. and yep his licks were definitely jazz influenced. He credits Roach as the main influence for his bass drum work which was then a direct influence on Bonham. His playing in Vanilla Fudge/Cactus/Beck, Bogert and Appice always sounded Tony Williams influenced to me but from what I can gather Carmine had already developed his own sound several years before meeting/hearing Williams. Although he did say that Williams floored and humbled him instantly.
That's the story carmine tells. Something along the lines of carmine asking bonham where he got the lick from, and bonham telling him "I got it from you", but carmine didn't remember playing it purposely, then bonham subsequently running with the triplet lick. As you said, they're both influenced by big-band and jazz stuff, so it definitely leaves me skeptical of carmine's story. the speculation is/will be endless since nobody asked bonham on the record where he got it from.
@@AKR-lq1if I dont see any real reason to dispute it. Carmine was playing all that stuff in the mid to late 60s and Vanilla Fudge were pretty well respected by a bunch of those British bands. Zeppelin's first US dates were opening up for Vanilla Fudge and Bonham started playing the big Ludwig kit because of Carmine. Bonham had a style of his own but its no stretch that he was influenced by some of Carmines licks.
So, inexperianced drummer here. And when i slowed the video down to x0.25 i realised by "rack" he meant "rack tom", and that his snare is hidden behind one in this video, where I thought he was somehow getting a tom sound outta his snare because it looks like he's hitting the same drum head. I thought the top rack was a snare until i saw his stick disappear behind it for snare hits. Just in case someone else doesnt know wtf is going on.
Wish I had a teacher like you when I was young. But at least you’re here now, and I m turning 60.
I remember the satisfaction of figuring out that Stairway to Heaven lick in high school in the 70's, only took a week straight! God bless my mom, never complained once. Loved this lesson!
Wonderful! One quick thing about the Bonham "boogadah" on "Stairway": Bonham plays a double kick after the floor tom in each of the dotteted 8ths boogadah's. It's really hard to hear it at first, but it's there! Thanks again for another wonderful lesson!
"Listen back and see if it swings as much as Max does." If Saint Roach is the measure by which we should judge our swing, we're proper f***ked.
we arent fucked, we are saved with such a bright saint to guide us. Fear not the masters. Luv them!
I'ma give you 5 more cool points for throwin' my homie Sean Rickman in there 🏆🤘🏾😃
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@@8020drummer Fun fact...That's my brother Rich on bass
@@RobBeatdownBrown HA! I should’ve put that together 🤣
That man is one of my heroes, ever since I saw videos of him playing with Shawn Lane
It's a lick that seems to transcend genre, I hear it all over the place. In my opinion it's also the most satisfying lick ever
certainly satisfying to play, especially to sneak in quickly before anyone has noticed when they've expressively forbidden flashy drum fills :)
Real drum-science at work, this is the best drum channel in my opinion.
Ouch!
2:30 the optical illusion created by the high tom completely blocking the snare cracks my head open a bit
that's a giant snare!
You sealed my attention with the Eric Moore clip
I luv this drum teacher (80/20)...he really knows how to teach and humble intermediate drummers like myself.
Just seeing this vid now. Great drumming again Nate some really cool sweeps. Love your drumming bud insights into jazz and rock really inspiring
Thank you for your content over the years! So much knowledge about the history of the drum set and its progenitors.
I needed those linear licks to work on. Merci beaucoup!
The max roach solo was one of the lessons I had to learn way back when. great stuff.
I'm relearning how to play after 10 years off the kit and I REALLY wish id known of this channel when I was first learning
That "For Big Sid" rhythm/riff actually goes back to the tune "Boff Boff" recorded by the 1944 Esquire All-Stars (Big Sid, Coleman Hawkins, Art Tatum, Cootie Williams, Edmond Hall, Al Casey, and Oscar Pettiford).
Legend! Bucketofish all the way! Loved the wardrobe change half way through. Very Hollywood.
I had the extreme pleaasure of attending a drum clinic with Mr. Roach. He was probably in his mid 70's, He did some Q&A then sat behind this little kit with his navy blue double breasted blazer and a pair of mallets and started to play. It was at that moment I discovered where Bonham nicked the Bonham licks. Utterly amazing. Another drummer showed up just as a member of the audience to pay tribute to Mr Roach. He wasn't part of the clinic but they let Steve Smith play anyway.
That last beat at 09:00 sounds like a jazzy triplet version of beatles come together!
Purchased the 80/20 Roadmap mini course. Now lets get my hands dirty with it. Thanks, Nathan!
I enjoy your videos. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to educating others. 👍🏾
That's the sound I make when I fall down the stairs.
You are such a great teacher man!
Quite brilliant. As always. Well done, sir. 👍🏼👍🏼
This was great. Your videos often inspire me to practice just a little bit more, and consistently lead to some new stuff to listen to.
The best incarnation of this lick is in Separate Ways from Journey
I knew the concept, but discovered the name in your Bonham video ;)
"So there's a lick that's kind of everywhere"
Yeah Adam Neely plays it a lo- Wait no this is a drumming channel
It is such a fun lick to play, what a triumph the day I figured it out the first time (as I'm sure for all of us). Bonham closes the Stairway lick with a (pick-up)kick floor-rack-kick (triplet on the beat) snare boogada. If you watch The Song Remains the Same, he famously ends Moby Dick with a flourish of floor-rack-kick boogadas (even getting some cross sticking in the mix) as being right-handed he lead with the floor for the 3 note boogadas. As I always thought in a downward fashion tone wise, I've always gone rack-floor-kick for my 3 note versions. Just the way I felt it, go figure. And don't forget the boogadas in Dazed and Confused to end the guitar solo, as well as the other pick-up sections from the verses to the 'chorus', if you will..
Editing to mention one more boogada, that's subtle but no less effective. Listen to Bill Bruford on (for starters) Heart of the Sunrise. He plays obvious hand reversing boogadas between hat/snare/kick, as well as tom/snare/kick. Maybe not flashy fast, but still cool sounding. And, Steve Smith's version of Blues for Big Sid from a drum complation VHS (!) video from the early 90s is simply awesome. Fellow UA-camr Austin Burcham (where'd he go btw?) broke down one of Steve's melodic ideas from that video. When I first bought it back then, I was not fully aware of Max and just what he did for the drumset, and solo drum compositions. An eye opener...
This is awesome. Great drum sounds!
Mitch Mitchell was another master of the "Tom sweep"
I used to call Ginger Baker's double bass work on Toad bugeta-bugeta - this was back in the '60s.
"The only thing new to you is the history you're not aware of."
your continuing progress is inspiring !
I was taught it as “Bucket of Fish”
Or "Takin-a-dump"
@@skinfiddler lol
Different lick
That's what I was thinking? What's the difference ?
@@stevemartinez3050 nothing really.. boogada sounds hipper than bucket of fish?
I love the snare snare boogedah or snare kick boogedah, both of which were used in I Belong To You by Muse
Matt Greiner also does that backward then forward in the time change in Meddler by August Burns Red
Love the backward/forward. I also love pridgen throwing the unironic/non-hipsterized boogada in that solo clip. Crazy dude who kinda lit me up on instagram last month, but gotta love him.
@@8020drummer I don't have insta. He was mean? What went down?
You are the man, Nate.
Aloha deeds not words thanks for sharing 🌈
Nice ! thank you ..
cool stuff to work on
Dude you have the best shit out there!!!! Thx for inspiring me to practice
FZ: "We've flown in at triple expense, Steve Gadd's clone!" That lick was over-used by 1979.
(I'm guilty too)
your *insert LA” lockout makes me miss smith and ninth & roebling and grand. get a swig at extra fancy for all of us
Loved every minute
Bonham's fill in Stairway is also a herta though (same in Night Flight)
Does anyone know some other drum solo that incorporates the max roach lick EXACTLY? I can't remember but I've heard it before. My best guess is buddy rich
Such a great lesson! Id love a list of great boogadah songs, also what exactly is dif from bucket of fish?
Great video!
Thanks dude!
I wanna see more of your improv. That was some hot sh$t.!! Damn Nate got dat swing
Very educational
Real nice lesson man
My favorite boogada lick is the one Roy haynes plays on the intro of "Snap Crackle"
Ohh, will listen! Thanks.
Queens of the Stone Age: Song for the Dead triplets “Boogadah, Boogadah,Boogadah, high energy ending and Very Strong building/suspenseful Intro of song(Full Album as well)played masterfully by Dave Grohl. His herta’s on the “No one Knows” drum fill sections are what it’s all about. Jon the newest QOTSA drummer track “I Appear Missing” extended album version and the live extended version are also fantastic and worth checking out.
Thank you
Oh man I can’t wait to see Greg Hutchinson’s take on this!
The version you played starting the snare on the dotted eights, at 4:50 in, almost sounds like you are using the lick like a 3/2 clave (the one Porcaro used in Rosanna, not the Bo Diddley one where the final two beats are on the beat).
Bonham got it (and some other things) from Carmine Appice. Vanilla Fudge and Carmine get overlooked a bit but Carmine was revolutionary.. and yep his licks were definitely jazz influenced. He credits Roach as the main influence for his bass drum work which was then a direct influence on Bonham. His playing in Vanilla Fudge/Cactus/Beck, Bogert and Appice always sounded Tony Williams influenced to me but from what I can gather Carmine had already developed his own sound several years before meeting/hearing Williams. Although he did say that Williams floored and humbled him instantly.
That's the story carmine tells. Something along the lines of carmine asking bonham where he got the lick from, and bonham telling him "I got it from you", but carmine didn't remember playing it purposely, then bonham subsequently running with the triplet lick. As you said, they're both influenced by big-band and jazz stuff, so it definitely leaves me skeptical of carmine's story. the speculation is/will be endless since nobody asked bonham on the record where he got it from.
@@AKR-lq1if I dont see any real reason to dispute it. Carmine was playing all that stuff in the mid to late 60s and Vanilla Fudge were pretty well respected by a bunch of those British bands. Zeppelin's first US dates were opening up for Vanilla Fudge and Bonham started playing the big Ludwig kit because of Carmine. Bonham had a style of his own but its no stretch that he was influenced by some of Carmines licks.
Why thumbs down though? 14 corps drummers have been downing guitarist-attitude pills- “Pretty good, but I could have done it better.”
All I can hear is "Eruption". Great vid!
Nice lesson man
As soon as I saw the title I knew which Lick you're gonna be talking about :D
The Steve Gadd lick is covered by himself, it's a ratamacue that sweeps the toms and ends on a kick
Anything with a drumset comes from jazz
Is the intro to Where eagles dare by Iron Maiden a variation on this lick with triplets on the rack?
Ah you dem pearl eliminators. After I got an after market connecting rod made by Trick, they're good
5:28 is also pretty famously used by Dave Grohl right at the end of Song For The Deaf
The Rational Funk reference alone would have made this worth watching.
6:55 trout mask replica
3:51 “some people call the space cowboy, yeah”
I use those all the time. You have to be careful not to over-use them, though. Chop responsibly.
The opening of Eruption from Van Halen in another example.
Also, why not cover the double bass version of this? I'm sure that's what Neil was playing.
Great stuff. Jujitsu ears. You do Jujitsu?
So sad to not see any Elvin on here when that was his bread and butter 😢
The latin version of this is called the Bodegas.
Your singing was a nice outtro.
I can't believe I am getting better at this after so many years of thinking I was a pro...lol.
Gadd stars his boogadas with his left hand. Left Right foot which I find difficult because of my natural inclination to start with my right hand.
just think of it as starting with the foot. Way easier.
bought double kick pedals to do boogideedoos
Was that Sean Rickman? That dude rips!
Love him
That is 100% Sean!
I believe this fill was called a "boodala" back in the day. Or maybe i just heard it that way,,lol
Everybody doing jazz influence videos
So, inexperianced drummer here. And when i slowed the video down to x0.25 i realised by "rack" he meant "rack tom", and that his snare is hidden behind one in this video, where I thought he was somehow getting a tom sound outta his snare because it looks like he's hitting the same drum head. I thought the top rack was a snare until i saw his stick disappear behind it for snare hits.
Just in case someone else doesnt know wtf is going on.
Of course I knew it came from jazz..... doesn't everything??
I bet Tommy Lee never realised there was more to drumming.
Is there anything that Jazz DOESN'T make better? Be well and Peace Out.
Yes. Straight 16ths:)
And Joe Morello
Ginger Baker used this a lot on Toad
plus the blushda...
Gospel players are the best rock musicians.
Yes way under appreciated thank you🌝
AKA: The 4-Stroke Dump
Dave King heard you
😳😳he’s back?!?!
Don't almost all rock come from jazz
Elvin Jones
nice ears
Can't tell if you're saying I listen well or if you're referring to my cauliflower, but either way thanks 🤣
@@8020drummer Both
Dont forget Elvin
Peter Cris never ever played a "Bugatta" in his entire career but claims he was a jazz influenced drummer?!?
You said the G word dude....
Ian Paice.
bucket o fish
Wait...it's not Carmine Appice?
Lol