OK, Brad, you ROCK!!!! Great delivery!!!! You focus on what is most important and deliver it quickly. I'm seriously impressed at how you deliver your content. Sony will be looking at you soon
Just one of the best LUTs comparison I've seen. Thanks for sharing and for putting the effort. I hope the big guys put you in their VIP list, if you're not already.
Hey thanks man, big fan of Alister Chapman and yes I have but it's been a bit. That one emulates the Venice, right? I haven't put it through the tests I did with these so I'm not sure how it compares, but thanks for reminding me! There are a ton to choose from and the reason I made this was I was so surprised how different they all are!
Man, this is awesome, thank you! I purchased the Phantoms for my a7sIII, a74, and FX30... One question: If I am shooting S-LOG3 and aiming to use these LUTs, I simply expose properly and apply the creative LUT straight away??? Or do I need to correct with a technical LUT before I use the Phantom LUT? I just want to be sure... Thanks!
Hey, well thank you for watching! Yep correct, the phantom luts are essentially technical luts (even though they're more of an arri emulation) so you don't have to use any other technical luts. Honestly don't even really need much other grading at all before the image looks really good. Hope that helps!
Again your vidoes are amazing! This is a 100k+ sub channel in the future you are my favorite camera channel on youtube. Your videos are extremely valuable and clear. QUESTION When shooting, to use a phantom lut what do you film in S-log 3, S-cinetone or .... ? I'm an beginner that spent way to much on a camera (FX3). But I'm ambitious to learn.
Ha great! Thank you so much I always use S-Gamut3.Cine for my color space with S-Log3. You can use others but sometimes can get some weird results. I've heard of people pairing S-Cinetone color space with the S-Log3 gamma, but I think that can produce some strange color issues. But I think S-Cinetone gamma with S-Cinetone color looks really nice. Great camera you have there!
This was awesome. Would have loved to see at the end is all the luts packs compared on one screen while you sit there awkwardly or pick your nose. Otherwise, they are all great but everyone should be comfortable with making minor adjustments on top these to meet their desired look. Again, awesome video. Thank you.
Ha, that would've been a good idea. Yep they're all different but good in their own way, just comes down to personal preference and how much tweaking you want to do. Thanks so much for the kind words!
Same choice : Phantom LUT. I grade my footage (CANON R5) in DaVinci Resolve 17.4. I'm pretty happy with the results delivered by the Color Management of DaVinci to normalize my CLog3 footage. For my understanding the Color Space Transform is more versatile than LUT (especially for multi-camera projects). Do you have a conviction on the subject? Thanks for your time.
I do actually, absolutely color management is great especially for cameras shot in different color spaces. For basic one camera color correcting, you can instead use a simple transform to get your proper color space (ex. Rec 709). And yes the basic color space transform in davinci is very accurate. If you wanted to use the phantom LUT and color management, you can convert your footage to let's say ACES and then to the Sony picture profile and then apply the phantom LUT. I'm not sure if that would be 100% perfect but it should get you close. In the end the phantom LUT is more of an emulation than a specific Rec 709 color accurate LUT, although it is pretty accurate as well. And it looks nice! Hope that helps!
Hey thanks! So something like the Sony a7iii? For a camera like that you're better off shooting S-Log2 over S-Log3, so I wouldn't use these specifically. I'm a little weary of the LUTs that say they work with "everything." Caleb's is for the 10 bit cameras, but I know Phantom LUT has one that works with Sony a7iii. Does that help?
that was a good video. i will love to see how in real life scenario you work with SLOG3 ? in my job i shot a lot in RUN & GUN and the reason i don't (still) use SLOG3 is because than in post when i apply the LUT i get sometimes bad colores. i know its my fault , but this is why SLOG3 is problematic for me .
Thank you, that's a really good question! Perhaps a run and gun comparison of the different profiles could be interesting to see? Are you using S-Cinetone?
@@takeone22 ah okay that's interesting, I usually set custom but I can see how that could be hard run and gun. I think I'll look into that, could be interesting to see the different results using the different WB methods?
I love your videos! My problem is that the ZV-E10 has auto-focusing issues with S-Log, so I have to use HLG3. Neither DLS Video Shooter, Phantom or Sony (surprisingly) offer a LUT for HLG3, so I have to use Leemings. It's annoying to over-expose, but it is what it is.
I tend to use the leeming luts because noise really bothers me. I also have the phantom lut and sometimes use it in situations when I can't overexpose (not enough light). I like the "neutral" creative luts that are included in the leeming pack, as well. After tweaking my skin tone with slightly more magenta I am very happy with the results!
Hi, thank you for this video. I'm looking for answers to my questions. In my opinion, the "Phantom LUT" offers the best value, but I'm not sure which type of LUT I should buy. Unfortunately, the site only offers LUTs for 10-bit cameras, and I only have the a7III, which does not have this feature.
Hi, sure thing. So basically the a7iii looks best using S-Log 2, not 3, and the phantom LUTs aren't specifically for that. That being said I know some people use the old fs7 wb corrected phantom lut, probably with some tweaking. So if you were dead set on that, I would go with that one. Otherwise if you like the ETTR method, I believe Leeming has a lut specifically for the a7iii. Does that help? Thanks for watching!
@@BradGiannini You are right that the a7III works best with slog2 or hlg. Leeming according to me falls too much into magente. I will keep looking. Thanks again and good luck :)
Q1.: Do Phantom Luts work with Slog3 ? I have a sony fx3 and I have Expose my footage MM +1.3 to 1.7 Q2. ( question for a beginner ) After I load my slog3 footage , I apply color space transform for rec709. I also adjust white balance and I might adjust color wheels for lift and gain. Q2 - When do I apply 'LUTS' like phantom luts? After color space transform or should I apply them first thing? Many thanks , Brad!!
Q1: Absolutely I use it in that exact situation all the time! Q2: If you're using a color space transform to Rec.709 in DaVinci you don't need the phantom lut, that works well enough to get you to neutral. If you wanted to apply a LUT after that, it would be one to create a final creative look (not a technical LUT). Does that make sense?
Which Phantom LUT pack would work for Sony ZV-E10? Will it only being 8-but cause any issues? I was told to use Cine or HLG for the ZV-E10 because SLog would was quality loss of picture when grading.
So with the zv-e10 I would probably use HLG3 I think, yes because it's 8 bit. Phantom LUT doesn't currently have anything for that but there is a Leeming LUT I believe as long as you're ok shooting that way. Does that help?
@@BradGiannini Yes, thank you! I purchased the Leeming LUT already but love the look of the Phantom LUTs. Was hoping they would work with HLG. Thanks for all your content by the way. It has been a huge help! I’m an audio engineer who is just now getting my feet wet with cinematography and photography. Fun stuff! But still much to learn!
@@BradGiannini Yeah just went with the Phantom Lut for High Quality Filmic Look and the DSLR Luts for normal Social Media edits which just need a little saturation retouch.
not sure if someone has already said this, but with the DSLR video shooter technical LUTS (which I own) the red channel clips badly. for example, you're filming neon signs, the red signs will all clip the red channel and will give a very gross broken green look to those areas.
@@BradGiannini So far only in the skin shift versions - should have specified that before, my bad! if you do a skin shift with an exposure drop below the red clipping point it's ok, but of course that affects overall exposure as well. and you could always just bring down red exposure only to the point where it doesnt clip. but just wanted to make that observation!
@@TimMombourquette ah thank you for pointing that out, good to know! I've mostly used the no skin shift one and I didn't notice it, but that's helpful thanks!
OK, Brad, you ROCK!!!! Great delivery!!!! You focus on what is most important and deliver it quickly. I'm seriously impressed at how you deliver your content. Sony will be looking at you soon
Wow thank you! Super nice of you to say, really happy to help!!
Just one of the best LUTs comparison I've seen. Thanks for sharing and for putting the effort. I hope the big guys put you in their VIP list, if you're not already.
Ha, not quite yet but much appreciated!
Cannot believe you have below 5k subscribers with this level of content 😢you deserve more than a million seriously
Well thanks, I'm working on it!
The phantom luts are really good. Especially the neutral Arri. That’s the one I use and it looks amazing.
The answer is Phantom LUTS.
Thanks for doing this comparison. Did you compare any of the HLG to rec 709 conversion luts?
Am I the only one that has a problem with phantom luts matter how I expose?! Lemming are fine very nice.
Sick video! What’s the best LUT to get canon colors in a Sony body? 😮
Get a canon body duhh
@@Derfookym iPhone 16
I’ve been binging your videos! Such quality content brother. Have you tried the Alister V3 lut? That’s been my go to with the A7siii slog 3 footy.
Hey thanks man, big fan of Alister Chapman and yes I have but it's been a bit. That one emulates the Venice, right? I haven't put it through the tests I did with these so I'm not sure how it compares, but thanks for reminding me! There are a ton to choose from and the reason I made this was I was so surprised how different they all are!
Not surprisingly, Matti's lut looked the worst by far
Man, this is awesome, thank you! I purchased the Phantoms for my a7sIII, a74, and FX30... One question: If I am shooting S-LOG3 and aiming to use these LUTs, I simply expose properly and apply the creative LUT straight away??? Or do I need to correct with a technical LUT before I use the Phantom LUT? I just want to be sure... Thanks!
Hey, well thank you for watching! Yep correct, the phantom luts are essentially technical luts (even though they're more of an arri emulation) so you don't have to use any other technical luts. Honestly don't even really need much other grading at all before the image looks really good. Hope that helps!
Again your vidoes are amazing! This is a 100k+ sub channel in the future you are my favorite camera channel on youtube. Your videos are extremely valuable and clear. QUESTION When shooting, to use a phantom lut what do you film in S-log 3, S-cinetone or .... ? I'm an beginner that spent way to much on a camera (FX3). But I'm ambitious to learn.
Ha great! Thank you so much I always use S-Gamut3.Cine for my color space with S-Log3. You can use others but sometimes can get some weird results. I've heard of people pairing S-Cinetone color space with the S-Log3 gamma, but I think that can produce some strange color issues. But I think S-Cinetone gamma with S-Cinetone color looks really nice. Great camera you have there!
Binge watching all of your videos... Great stuff! Extremely underrated channel! 👍👍👍
Hey thanks so much, means a lot!
This was awesome. Would have loved to see at the end is all the luts packs compared on one screen while you sit there awkwardly or pick your nose. Otherwise, they are all great but everyone should be comfortable with making minor adjustments on top these to meet their desired look. Again, awesome video. Thank you.
Ha, that would've been a good idea. Yep they're all different but good in their own way, just comes down to personal preference and how much tweaking you want to do. Thanks so much for the kind words!
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Same choice : Phantom LUT. I grade my footage (CANON R5) in DaVinci Resolve 17.4. I'm pretty happy with the results delivered by the Color Management of DaVinci to normalize my CLog3 footage. For my understanding the Color Space Transform is more versatile than LUT (especially for multi-camera projects). Do you have a conviction on the subject? Thanks for your time.
I do actually, absolutely color management is great especially for cameras shot in different color spaces. For basic one camera color correcting, you can instead use a simple transform to get your proper color space (ex. Rec 709). And yes the basic color space transform in davinci is very accurate. If you wanted to use the phantom LUT and color management, you can convert your footage to let's say ACES and then to the Sony picture profile and then apply the phantom LUT. I'm not sure if that would be 100% perfect but it should get you close. In the end the phantom LUT is more of an emulation than a specific Rec 709 color accurate LUT, although it is pretty accurate as well. And it looks nice! Hope that helps!
FANTASTIC VIDEO, thank you so much
Great glad it helped!
Oh man ! Great work, straight to the point. Subscribed :)
Do theses luts work with the 8bit sony cameras ? Specially the one from caleb ?
Hey thanks! So something like the Sony a7iii? For a camera like that you're better off shooting S-Log2 over S-Log3, so I wouldn't use these specifically. I'm a little weary of the LUTs that say they work with "everything." Caleb's is for the 10 bit cameras, but I know Phantom LUT has one that works with Sony a7iii. Does that help?
@@BradGiannini yeah definitely ! Thanks for the reply.
@@TheDarkershin Great, glad to help!
Thanks for the professional work. I appreciate it.
If you don’t mind asking which one of phantom luts did you use for this video ?
Hey thanks - I used the neutral one and did some of my own color grading afterwards
@@BradGiannini looks nice, loved it.
Generally, I liked the phantom luts. However, when I expose as he suggested, I get noticeable noise in the black.
that was a good video.
i will love to see how in real life scenario you work with SLOG3 ?
in my job i shot a lot in RUN & GUN and the reason i don't (still) use SLOG3
is because than in post when i apply the LUT i get sometimes bad colores.
i know its my fault , but this is why SLOG3 is problematic for me .
Thank you, that's a really good question! Perhaps a run and gun comparison of the different profiles could be interesting to see? Are you using S-Cinetone?
@@BradGiannini hi. yes i am using "Cinetone"
i should say that the problem is with WB not exposure
@@takeone22 ah okay that's interesting, I usually set custom but I can see how that could be hard run and gun. I think I'll look into that, could be interesting to see the different results using the different WB methods?
Don’t buy LUTs for technical transforms. Invest the money in Davinci and you’re good. For look LUTs Cullen Kelly is the GOAT in my opinion.
His stuff is very good - and yeah I would say you'll get the most out of davinci, but all depends what you're doing and your needs
I love your videos!
My problem is that the ZV-E10 has auto-focusing issues with S-Log, so I have to use HLG3. Neither DLS Video Shooter, Phantom or Sony (surprisingly) offer a LUT for HLG3, so I have to use Leemings. It's annoying to over-expose, but it is what it is.
Hey thanks! I know it's a bummer about that camera I also don't like overexposing, you'd think a firmware would address that
Great video! I just got the Phantom luts and am really digging how they make my FX3 footage look.
Thanks! Yeah agreed and I love the frequent updates
I tend to use the leeming luts because noise really bothers me. I also have the phantom lut and sometimes use it in situations when I can't overexpose (not enough light). I like the "neutral" creative luts that are included in the leeming pack, as well. After tweaking my skin tone with slightly more magenta I am very happy with the results!
Cool yeah the leemings are great for avoiding noise, yeah that's interesting I've noticed I have to remove magenta with a lot of other luts
Seriously. Your content is so damn good. WTF? How are you not over 200K subs now. WTH is going on with youtube? Great video.
Hey thank you, I'm working on it!
Hi, thank you for this video. I'm looking for answers to my questions. In my opinion, the "Phantom LUT" offers the best value, but I'm not sure which type of LUT I should buy. Unfortunately, the site only offers LUTs for 10-bit cameras, and I only have the a7III, which does not have this feature.
Hi, sure thing. So basically the a7iii looks best using S-Log 2, not 3, and the phantom LUTs aren't specifically for that. That being said I know some people use the old fs7 wb corrected phantom lut, probably with some tweaking. So if you were dead set on that, I would go with that one. Otherwise if you like the ETTR method, I believe Leeming has a lut specifically for the a7iii. Does that help? Thanks for watching!
@@BradGiannini You are right that the a7III works best with slog2 or hlg. Leeming according to me falls too much into magente. I will keep looking. Thanks again and good luck :)
Q1.: Do Phantom Luts work with Slog3 ? I have a sony fx3 and I have Expose my footage MM +1.3 to 1.7
Q2. ( question for a beginner ) After I load my slog3 footage , I apply color space transform for rec709. I also adjust white balance and I might adjust color wheels for lift and gain. Q2 - When do I apply 'LUTS' like phantom luts? After color space transform or should I apply them first thing? Many thanks , Brad!!
Q1: Absolutely I use it in that exact situation all the time!
Q2: If you're using a color space transform to Rec.709 in DaVinci you don't need the phantom lut, that works well enough to get you to neutral. If you wanted to apply a LUT after that, it would be one to create a final creative look (not a technical LUT).
Does that make sense?
absolutely!Many thanks! Are there any creative Luts worth checking out?@@BradGiannini
@@peterkertesz2861well it's personal preference really, I generally don't use them too often but I think color grading central has some good ones!
Thanks for this! You have a great presence, too.
Well thank you!
I really like your channel, you have helped me a lot thanks🙌🏻
Thanks so much for watching! Let me know if there's anything you'd be interested in seeing
Great video! Super useful info and a nice comparison. Well done!
Hey thanks so much! Glad to help!
Took me an hour just to find the number in this one
It's a quick one!
wow. amazing video. 10/10.
Hey thanks so much! Glad to help
Which Phantom LUT pack would work for Sony ZV-E10? Will it only being 8-but cause any issues? I was told to use Cine or HLG for the ZV-E10 because SLog would was quality loss of picture when grading.
So with the zv-e10 I would probably use HLG3 I think, yes because it's 8 bit. Phantom LUT doesn't currently have anything for that but there is a Leeming LUT I believe as long as you're ok shooting that way. Does that help?
@@BradGiannini Yes, thank you! I purchased the Leeming LUT already but love the look of the Phantom LUTs. Was hoping they would work with HLG. Thanks for all your content by the way. It has been a huge help! I’m an audio engineer who is just now getting my feet wet with cinematography and photography. Fun stuff! But still much to learn!
@@BlakeLeBlanc Glad to hear! It is fun and a lot to learn, but it gets easier as time goes on, best of luck!
@@BlakeLeBlanc How has the Leeming Lut been for you? I also shoot HLG on a Sony a6400 (8-bit)
2k subs -that's a crime!
Well hey thanks!
thank you, straight to the point
Glad to help!
This is a great overview of LUTs.
nice editing too
Hey thanks, much appreciated!
Fantastic, thank you!
Great, glad to help!
Great vid, sir! 👏🏼⚡️🤙🏼
Thanks so much!👍
The Video I've searched for soo long
Great glad it helped!
@@BradGiannini Yeah just went with the Phantom Lut for High Quality Filmic Look and the DSLR Luts for normal Social Media edits which just need a little saturation retouch.
not sure if someone has already said this, but with the DSLR video shooter technical LUTS (which I own) the red channel clips badly. for example, you're filming neon signs, the red signs will all clip the red channel and will give a very gross broken green look to those areas.
Interesting, did you notice that with just the skin shifted LUTs or all of them?
@@BradGiannini So far only in the skin shift versions - should have specified that before, my bad! if you do a skin shift with an exposure drop below the red clipping point it's ok, but of course that affects overall exposure as well. and you could always just bring down red exposure only to the point where it doesnt clip. but just wanted to make that observation!
@@TimMombourquette ah thank you for pointing that out, good to know! I've mostly used the no skin shift one and I didn't notice it, but that's helpful thanks!