I really appreciate your website, and watched many of your videos before making my decision. I got the Leap V2, and I like the level of lumbar support. I also like the headrest, which I know most people really dislike. I would say my posture is worse than average, so the features of this chair may help me where other people might find them uncomfortable. I'm a shade over 6' tall, and without the headrest the back would feel way too short for my tastes. I just wanted to share my experience as I really like the chair. My wife has a Gesture, which is also an excellent office chair.
Just got the Leap V2 from you guys. I like it alot. I keep messing with the adjustments, and I know it takes a big to get used to. I am not used to 2 different adjustments, 1 for recline tension and another for lumbar force or firmness. It felt grteat on my back, I tried taking the lumbar in and out a few times, and I keep putting it back in. I am in medicine, working remote now, and when I increase the tension all the way on the recline, it feels good and then I am like what do I do with the lumbar, and I am just getting used to it. But it is def a great chair. Researching adjustments and all but I think I just have to get used to it?
When you want to have the chair tilt fully locked, A) it still has a 5 - 10 degree motion putting me at a 100 degree sitting position and B) the back of the chair stops, but the top half of the back bends around A LOT. Maybe that's by design to strengthen ones back but it feels as though I can't sit in it for as long. This felt like the case my Aeron too, it probably was strengthening it but I just couldn't use it that long.
I switched from Ameap to this Leap v2 because I wanted a more aggressive lumbar. Excellent chair for a fraction of the cost of the 1000+ chairs out there.
I think one of the reason for the tailbone soreness was too much lumbar support on the sides but not enough in the center to support the spine. And your tailbone is properly working hard to compensate the lack of spinal support.
It is kinda funny mentionen the strong Lumbar support because I found it rather weak. Like it is not enough for me personally and could be even stronger
I'm looking to buy one of these chairs. I noticed there is a leather option which adds a significant cost to it. Are you able to recommend the leather option when buying this chair? Does the leather make the chair more or less comfortable? thanks
Hi. Very nice review ! I'm about to choose my leap V2 in a store but I wonder what is the name of the colour (green) and the material you show in the video. Is it "sprout green" with "Atlantic" ?
how does the lumbar feel compare to the humanscale freedom(which I love, but not loving the seat) as im looking for similar lumbar feel in alternative chairs
Many thanks for the great deal of explanation. I really hate lumbar supports that keep pushing against the back even at the minimum adjustment. Currently looking for a good quality office chair without any mesh, that enables even elimination of the bottom curve on the backrest, if needed. Would u please recommend me some models?
Worst part of the chair for me is when I want to have the seat pan extended all the way out, theres a massive, and I mean massive gap between the back of the seat to the end of the back rest. Your tailbone will be outright hovering in that gap.
A head rest is essential for me as I need extra neck support due to problems with my cervical spine. Which is the best chair for me? Is there a better option than the gesture?
I wish you guys had made this video before I bought one of your refurbished Leap v2 chairs about a year ago. I hate mine, and it was demoralizing because I bought this chair because everyone said it was so great, and after having 2 other ergonomic chairs that didn't work for me, I was excited. I like my finance's Steelcase Series 1 a lot more, and that's way lower on the totem pole of office chairs. This thing has way too much lumber support and way too much of an backrest angle for me.
If the Leap has too much lumbar for you, try the Amia. It works very well for me. It can also take a few days for your body to get used to a new chair. It's like going to high quality, supportive shoes after wearing flip flops for a few years. The Steelcase chairs are very supportive and if your body isn't used to that, you'll be a bit sore until you are. In the long run a supportive chair is essential to keep your body healthy.
A thicker cushion just introduces more problems on the Leap. It’s not the thickness that can be an issue for people, it’s the contour. Crandall doesn’t understand this so they just made their own cushion that is nothing like the original Leap. It’s thicker, a different density, a different shape and it has a noticeable edge around the entire cushion. It’s not even ergonomic to be honest. The solution if the Leap seat is not comfortable for you is to try another chair, not try to modify the Leap. -Ryan
@@btodtv what about for the people who claim that the thinner cushions bottom out? Would the thicker cushions help in that case? Or for people with tailbone pain?
Those people should try a different chair. A thicker cushion may help but in this specific case, it needs to be quite thick, which then introduces different problems. Like sitting you higher or not have a waterfall edge. They are trying to fix a problem that exists for a very small percentage of people. In doing so, they’ve designed a cushion that’s not ergonomic. -Ryan
What works for me is the purple cushion because it has a grove for your butt. This pushes me back a bit and I will adjust the cushion until I'm at a comfortable spot. Just my experience. My butt will hurt if I don't use the purple cushion.
Hey BTOD, what advice do you have for those of us that suffer from Numbness from the Ass to the feet when after sitting in a chair for an hr or so and what to look for specifically when chair hunting. Any advice is most welcome and my rearend thanks you personally. I'm 6ft 215lbs
Squats. You need to build up that booty. I've notice this after Covid and not working out as much. I developed back pain and sciatica from muscle loss and strength.
The Leap has a different seat, different back and a different recline, so just removing the lumbar still leaves you with 2 pretty different chairs. -Ryan
I love mine. As a short guy, the depth adjustment for the seat is pretty much mandatory to attain proper seated posture and chairs with this functionality start pretty damn expensive. Expensive enough that buying a second hand refurbished Rolls Royce that the Steelcase Leap v2 is, is a much better choice.
@@David-rc4rt Uhhh... never had an issue with it. I've never sat on original one and refurbed has replaced pads and lining which may be different than the original so it's hard to tell. Using it 8 years now, no complaints here.
Great ergonomics, but the seat padding is really disappointing. I'm around 110kg, and after about 4 months of use the padding of the chair is mostly...not gone but it's nowhere near as comfy as before, with my butt constantly feeling a bit of pain. It's definitely a firm seat in the first place, but still, needs more support or thicker foam to be honest. At least you can take the seat apart and get it reupolstered, but that's just an extra cost on top of an absurdly expensive chair. Get one second hand for half the price and re-do the foam if need be.
It's interesting you mentioned tailbone pain and that it went away after the initial few weeks of use. I have a similar issue with the embody. Have you guys experienced any tailbone pain on the embody? If so, did it go away or remained the same after time? I've had my embody for 3 weeks now and I still experience some tailbone pain after 2 hours of sitting
I experienced it with both the leapv2 and gesture..now with the haworth zody and mirra, I don't experience it. The reason for the tailbone pain is because of the firm seat ( imagine sitting on concrete for hours)
I just got my used Leap v2 and am having tailbone pain. Sad to hear the embody has a similar issue as that was going to be my second choice. Did it ever improve or did you have to switch chairs?
It's really curious that people are complaining about the seat not being soft enough. I'd argue that it's too soft, but like you said, it's designed like this for a reason, so I guess it's the firmness that it needs to be.
Late to comment, but I think it just depends on a lot of different shapes and conditions. I have pretty sharp sciatica pain if there is a lot of pressure on rump, and the way this chair is designed, a lot of pressure from seat goes toward rear vs front even if. you do perfectly adjust to have legs at full 90 degree and load bear some of weight like you're supposed to. The seat was just too firm for my condition. I solved it with a blanket because it not a bad replacement or altering the shape of it. it's just adding a small layer on top of it while retaining it's shape. Doesn't completely solve problem, but helps. But as review said, you really won't find any chair from any brand with a softer seat that has all other things I need, like this chairs perfect adjustable arms that are helping me maintain perfectly straight wrists for hours every day at the computer.
I'm 5'4 and I am very close to getting this! But with the rocking motion not being so smooth, what's an alternative that is similar to the Leapv2 functions? I have watched so many videos of yours and narrowed down to a few, whether it's Eurotech Vera (with headrest), Leap v2, Amia, Gesture and Haworth Zody. Maybe Knoll Regeneration. Let me know! Love your videos!!!
@Vesalius I bought the Hayworth Zody instead. Took me hours to decide and I purchased mine 2nd hand for $200. A bit heavy to transport but aside from that I love it. Even though I can't lock when tilting back but I still managed to fall asleep for 10-15 minutes on 2 occasions. I love the titling forward motion that allows me to feel like I'm in a good working posture if I'm really engaged in what I'm doing. Lumbar support is good even though I can't tell much of a difference
@@momchiltsonev2897 Absolutely not true. I bought an extremely firm mattress many, many years ago. After a while I decided it was too firm, so I bought a 3 " mattress topper. It turned it into an extremely comfortable bed. While the mattress topper only lasts a few years, it's much, much cheaper than buying a new mattress and the firm mattress is still in excellent condition after over a decade of use.
As someone with issues with pronounced lumbar support, what chair can you recommend me? I tried the Haworth Fern without additional support, but it ended up hurting my skin a lot. The only chair that seemed to work for me was the Mirra 2, but had issues with the mesh seat too :/ I ordered a Gesture today with 14 day trail, and hope that works as it seemed to be fine in the 2 hours of testing. If it's still not enough I could perhaps try removing the additional lumbar support in that one just like the Leap?
Based on BTOD's recommendation, I ordered the steelcase leap v2 and Gesture. It was the greatest mistake I ever made. Steelcase is not comfortable at all. I had back issues and knee pains from both chairs. As highlighted the seat is very firm worse than the mirra and aeron(which I will come back to)...the center column scratches the floor and not comfortable to sit on. I had to switch them out for my dining chair after returning then Then I got the haworth zody..that's the best choice I ever made. At the same time I got the mirra v2 and my friends aeron. Out of the 3, the haworth is the most comfortable and lustful to sit on ( you can literally sit in it without standing up for hours ) but I have an issue with it, the build quality isn't as good as the herman Miller ( built like a tank). The mirra which is mesh is quite comfortable but not up to the zody. You probably need to stand up every hour other than that I love its customization way better than the steelcase's. And between the mirra and aeron, I will pick the mirra cuz the frame around the mesh on the mirra is way slimmer than the aeron which gets in the way and produces pressure points.. just my 2 cent but YMMV
@@joshmcdzz6925 I think your chairs had some problems. Especially "center column is scratching the floor" which should not happen in any case even if you have bad wavy flooring. Knee pain can be due to poorly adjusted chair to your need as well as the back issues. It takes great attention to the chair in order to adjust it to your likings. It is not the chair "plug n play" type as it's purpose is to adjust to your body and each body is different so if you don't properly adjust points the chair offers, it actually can hurt your body and feel worse then a wooden stool (I tested it personally as I own leap V2 and wanted to see how terrible it can be if I don't adjust it to my body, and after 5 minutes I srsly had the need to sit on a wooden chair). As the video says, High end ergo chairs are not comfy chairs. They are firm. Seat pans are firm for a reason. My leap V2 is also firm but again at the same time comfortable enough so that I can sit in it for even 12 hours straight without back pain, neck pain, cervical pain as well as knee pain. The reason why aeron probably feels better to you is because of it's mesh structure and it "dynamically" adjusts better compared to leap V2 since when you sit mesh hugs your body and orients according to it where then you take further adjustments while leap V2 takes manual adjustments to properly adjust. Both chairs are wonderful ( I haven't tested aeron yet but plan to give it a spin in the showroom) and I can just say praises for the leap V2. I sat in many different "office" chairs and they all broke my back in ways I didn't even imagine. Leap V2 helped me straighten it back up.
Don't buy this chair if you need firm lumbar support!!!! I have a budging disc at the L4/L5 region, as a result I cant sit on a chair with lumbar support that lets my lower back round at all. The lumbar support on this chair is very underwhelming. Even on the tightest or firmest setting if I relax my torso into the chair my lower back rounds slightly causing slight flexion in the disc. Literally the reason I purchased this stupidly expensive chair was for the all the reviews that highlighted the aggressive lumbar support. The live back technology steel case raves about is too dynamic and flexible allowing the lower back to bend or flex while on the firmest setting. If your just regular person with a healthy back this chair is fine but still not worth $1600 aus dollars.
The seat padding or lack thereof is a non-issue. People who want a big plushy seat likely don't have back problems because ultra-soft seating can exacerbate back problems, and if they don't have back problems there's really no reason to spend $1500 on an ergonomic office chair.
hey man, i have lower back pain/sciatica. People say the leap causes tailbone pain, is it true? For someone with sciatica should I avoid this chair? and if so what else should i get instead
What? It takes time to develop back problems from ultra-soft seating. If they don't have it their risk increases with a ultra-soft plush seat. Lol. You're assuming these people have been prior sitting in ultra soft seats for a long enough period of time that they should have already developed back pain. You aren't considering that over time they could eventually develop it still. And you're not considering that people age and muscles weaken. And habits change. Thus even if they're Hulk or some shit that may not always be that way.
Sit on the Leap V2 at work for 12 hour shifts. Good for at work. Got one for at home for PC gaming... not so good. Hips get sore, can't recline as much as I'd like. Sold Leap V2... now what?!
I personally hate the Leap v2. The bars that wrap around in the back to the armrests dig into my hips if I move just the wrong way. Also to me the lumbar support is not great.
Like most chairs, the cushioning is made to purposely limit the lifespan of the seat. The fact that another company makes aftermarket padding for it, is proof enough. Mine is hard as hell. It's the same damn thing over and over and over. A whole market of office chairs, and every single one of them, all made to wear out. On purpose.
I have the leap v2 and it’s nice and wide for those with larger hips. I’m not small. Right now I’m 190 and I have wider hips and I’m 5’9” and it sits perfectly for me. My spouse is 6 foot and 220 and it also fits him. I’m in it obv more so I can’t speak on him sitting in it for very long periods of time but he likes it. We don’t move so much backwards or sway ourselves so we have no issue with the backwards motion thing. My back is very comfortable in this chair though as is his. The chair is long lasting as well. I have had it for 3 years and it still is strong, the cushion still is comfortable and everything is still stable.
im 6 foot 155lbs and i like this one more than the aeron. The only downside is the stock headrest sucks, but i bought and aftermarket headrest for aeron and ziptied it in and it works great
You just said everything that made me return both the leapv2 and gesture...they are real dealbreakers. Another observation is that center column scratching the floor, it's going to ruin your hardwood or carpet...this is the most uncomfortable chair I ever used. Felt good at the store but when it got home after an hour, the honeymoon was over
In my office we were offered this chair for free for home use, everyone else jumped on the occasions as if they were given gold! I didn't. This chair is horrible! The mechanism is nice but the backrest is a joke! It is toooo thin and offers no support to my back and the tilt mechanism does nothing! I gave it a try for a few days and gave it back, what a disappointment (No, I have no intension of selling it and gaining a profit on the back of my employer).
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Tremendous! Very professional! Knowledge oozed out, not knocking but informing user daily variables.
Well done.
Thank you sir!
I really appreciate your website, and watched many of your videos before making my decision. I got the Leap V2, and I like the level of lumbar support. I also like the headrest, which I know most people really dislike.
I would say my posture is worse than average, so the features of this chair may help me where other people might find them uncomfortable. I'm a shade over 6' tall, and without the headrest the back would feel way too short for my tastes.
I just wanted to share my experience as I really like the chair. My wife has a Gesture, which is also an excellent office chair.
Great video. Straight to the important points. No waste of time or words.
Thank you very much !
Just got the Leap V2 from you guys. I like it alot. I keep messing with the adjustments, and I know it takes a big to get used to. I am not used to 2 different adjustments, 1 for recline tension and another for lumbar force or firmness. It felt grteat on my back, I tried taking the lumbar in and out a few times, and I keep putting it back in. I am in medicine, working remote now, and when I increase the tension all the way on the recline, it feels good and then I am like what do I do with the lumbar, and I am just getting used to it. But it is def a great chair. Researching adjustments and all but I think I just have to get used to it?
I wish there was somewhere I could try these chairs out before I buy
no kidding
When you want to have the chair tilt fully locked, A) it still has a 5 - 10 degree motion putting me at a 100 degree sitting position and B) the back of the chair stops, but the top half of the back bends around A LOT. Maybe that's by design to strengthen ones back but it feels as though I can't sit in it for as long. This felt like the case my Aeron too, it probably was strengthening it but I just couldn't use it that long.
I have the same problem with all herman miller chairs except Sayl. Have to try steelcase for extended periods of time yet
I switched from Ameap to this Leap v2 because I wanted a more aggressive lumbar. Excellent chair for a fraction of the cost of the 1000+ chairs out there.
Would leather be a good option for the leap, or no?
i woild like to inquire about what shade of green is this
I think one of the reason for the tailbone soreness was too much lumbar support on the sides but not enough in the center to support the spine. And your tailbone is properly working hard to compensate the lack of spinal support.
I have the Same problem
Horrible chair, on the tightest lumbar setting your lower back is not even neutral! the audacity to charge premium
It is kinda funny mentionen the strong Lumbar support because I found it rather weak. Like it is not enough for me personally and could be even stronger
what do you think about upholstery options - should I go cogent or era? Thanks for your help! Your videos are great!
Very honest analysis thank you
I'm looking to buy one of these chairs. I noticed there is a leather option which adds a significant cost to it. Are you able to recommend the leather option when buying this chair? Does the leather make the chair more or less comfortable? thanks
Do the Leap V2 fit a 6'5 (not thick) body or it's too small?
Hi. Very nice review !
I'm about to choose my leap V2 in a store but I wonder what is the name of the colour (green) and the material you show in the video. Is it "sprout green" with "Atlantic" ?
how does the lumbar feel compare to the humanscale freedom(which I love, but not loving the seat) as im looking for similar lumbar feel in alternative chairs
Many thanks for the great deal of explanation. I really hate lumbar supports that keep pushing against the back even at the minimum adjustment. Currently looking for a good quality office chair without any mesh, that enables even elimination of the bottom curve on the backrest, if needed. Would u please recommend me some models?
Worst part of the chair for me is when I want to have the seat pan extended all the way out, theres a massive, and I mean massive gap between the back of the seat to the end of the back rest. Your tailbone will be outright hovering in that gap.
so glad you shared this
tbf i kinda like that, helps remove pressure off my back a bit.
A head rest is essential for me as I need extra neck support due to problems with my cervical spine. Which is the best chair for me? Is there a better option than the gesture?
I’ve never found a great neck rest honestly. Lots of decent ones, but never one that’s perfectly comfortable
You could probably mod a headrest onto it pretty easily with zipties, or even mount it with screws ive seen people do it before
I wish you guys had made this video before I bought one of your refurbished Leap v2 chairs about a year ago. I hate mine, and it was demoralizing because I bought this chair because everyone said it was so great, and after having 2 other ergonomic chairs that didn't work for me, I was excited. I like my finance's Steelcase Series 1 a lot more, and that's way lower on the totem pole of office chairs. This thing has way too much lumber support and way too much of an backrest angle for me.
I don't know if you still have the chair but you can remove the lumbar support from the back of the chair pretty easily
If the Leap has too much lumbar for you, try the Amia. It works very well for me.
It can also take a few days for your body to get used to a new chair. It's like going to high quality, supportive shoes after wearing flip flops for a few years. The Steelcase chairs are very supportive and if your body isn't used to that, you'll be a bit sore until you are. In the long run a supportive chair is essential to keep your body healthy.
Amia
Was deciding between this and the Sidiz T80 but think I'll go with the Sidiz....
So what would be very similar to the LeapV2 except with a bit more seat cushion?
Crandall sells them with thicker cushions.
A thicker cushion just introduces more problems on the Leap. It’s not the thickness that can be an issue for people, it’s the contour. Crandall doesn’t understand this so they just made their own cushion that is nothing like the original Leap. It’s thicker, a different density, a different shape and it has a noticeable edge around the entire cushion. It’s not even ergonomic to be honest. The solution if the Leap seat is not comfortable for you is to try another chair, not try to modify the Leap. -Ryan
@@btodtv what about for the people who claim that the thinner cushions bottom out? Would the thicker cushions help in that case? Or for people with tailbone pain?
Those people should try a different chair. A thicker cushion may help but in this specific case, it needs to be quite thick, which then introduces different problems. Like sitting you higher or not have a waterfall edge. They are trying to fix a problem that exists for a very small percentage of people. In doing so, they’ve designed a cushion that’s not ergonomic. -Ryan
What works for me is the purple cushion because it has a grove for your butt. This pushes me back a bit and I will adjust the cushion until I'm at a comfortable spot. Just my experience. My butt will hurt if I don't use the purple cushion.
Thats the best review i've ever watched!
What us the best non-mesh chair to buy if I want to lock in a reclined position?
Hey BTOD, what advice do you have for those of us that suffer from Numbness from the Ass to the feet when after sitting in a chair for an hr or so and what to look for specifically when chair hunting. Any advice is most welcome and my rearend thanks you personally. I'm 6ft 215lbs
If you just feel numbness from your butt to feet in just one leg, the advice would be to see a back specialist because that's probably sciatica
Squats. You need to build up that booty. I've notice this after Covid and not working out as much. I developed back pain and sciatica from muscle loss and strength.
If you take the lumbar out of the Leap, then what's the point? Use an Amia instead.
The Leap has a different seat, different back and a different recline, so just removing the lumbar still leaves you with 2 pretty different chairs. -Ryan
I love mine. As a short guy, the depth adjustment for the seat is pretty much mandatory to attain proper seated posture and chairs with this functionality start pretty damn expensive. Expensive enough that buying a second hand refurbished Rolls Royce that the Steelcase Leap v2 is, is a much better choice.
How's the seat for you? The reddit boys keep complaining about the chair and the feeling like seating on a rock
@@David-rc4rt Uhhh... never had an issue with it. I've never sat on original one and refurbed has replaced pads and lining which may be different than the original so it's hard to tell. Using it 8 years now, no complaints here.
Great ergonomics, but the seat padding is really disappointing. I'm around 110kg, and after about 4 months of use the padding of the chair is mostly...not gone but it's nowhere near as comfy as before, with my butt constantly feeling a bit of pain. It's definitely a firm seat in the first place, but still, needs more support or thicker foam to be honest. At least you can take the seat apart and get it reupolstered, but that's just an extra cost on top of an absurdly expensive chair. Get one second hand for half the price and re-do the foam if need be.
It's interesting you mentioned tailbone pain and that it went away after the initial few weeks of use. I have a similar issue with the embody. Have you guys experienced any tailbone pain on the embody? If so, did it go away or remained the same after time? I've had my embody for 3 weeks now and I still experience some tailbone pain after 2 hours of sitting
I experienced it with both the leapv2 and gesture..now with the haworth zody and mirra, I don't experience it. The reason for the tailbone pain is because of the firm seat ( imagine sitting on concrete for hours)
I just got my used Leap v2 and am having tailbone pain. Sad to hear the embody has a similar issue as that was going to be my second choice. Did it ever improve or did you have to switch chairs?
@@NecrophagistGG It went away, maybe about a month or two in.
It's really curious that people are complaining about the seat not being soft enough. I'd argue that it's too soft, but like you said, it's designed like this for a reason, so I guess it's the firmness that it needs to be.
Late to comment, but I think it just depends on a lot of different shapes and conditions. I have pretty sharp sciatica pain if there is a lot of pressure on rump, and the way this chair is designed, a lot of pressure from seat goes toward rear vs front even if. you do perfectly adjust to have legs at full 90 degree and load bear some of weight like you're supposed to. The seat was just too firm for my condition. I solved it with a blanket because it not a bad replacement or altering the shape of it. it's just adding a small layer on top of it while retaining it's shape. Doesn't completely solve problem, but helps. But as review said, you really won't find any chair from any brand with a softer seat that has all other things I need, like this chairs perfect adjustable arms that are helping me maintain perfectly straight wrists for hours every day at the computer.
I found a V2 open box deal. 90% off.. because the box was open! I bought it and I love it.
I'm 5'4 and I am very close to getting this! But with the rocking motion not being so smooth, what's an alternative that is similar to the Leapv2 functions? I have watched so many videos of yours and narrowed down to a few, whether it's Eurotech Vera (with headrest), Leap v2, Amia, Gesture and Haworth Zody. Maybe Knoll Regeneration. Let me know! Love your videos!!!
@Vesalius I bought the Hayworth Zody instead. Took me hours to decide and I purchased mine 2nd hand for $200. A bit heavy to transport but aside from that I love it. Even though I can't lock when tilting back but I still managed to fall asleep for 10-15 minutes on 2 occasions. I love the titling forward motion that allows me to feel like I'm in a good working posture if I'm really engaged in what I'm doing. Lumbar support is good even though I can't tell much of a difference
Amia is smooth with better seat
spot on.. adding a cushion to this chair will only create other problems
same goes for mattresses - you can buy an expensive one, but you can spoil it with a top mattress
@@momchiltsonev2897 Absolutely not true. I bought an extremely firm mattress many, many years ago. After a while I decided it was too firm, so I bought a 3 " mattress topper. It turned it into an extremely comfortable bed. While the mattress topper only lasts a few years, it's much, much cheaper than buying a new mattress and the firm mattress is still in excellent condition after over a decade of use.
The headrest is perfect mate!
You just saved me a stack of money! Thank you very much!
As someone with issues with pronounced lumbar support, what chair can you recommend me? I tried the Haworth Fern without additional support, but it ended up hurting my skin a lot. The only chair that seemed to work for me was the Mirra 2, but had issues with the mesh seat too :/
I ordered a Gesture today with 14 day trail, and hope that works as it seemed to be fine in the 2 hours of testing. If it's still not enough I could perhaps try removing the additional lumbar support in that one just like the Leap?
Based on BTOD's recommendation, I ordered the steelcase leap v2 and Gesture. It was the greatest mistake I ever made. Steelcase is not comfortable at all. I had back issues and knee pains from both chairs. As highlighted the seat is very firm worse than the mirra and aeron(which I will come back to)...the center column scratches the floor and not comfortable to sit on. I had to switch them out for my dining chair after returning then
Then I got the haworth zody..that's the best choice I ever made. At the same time I got the mirra v2 and my friends aeron. Out of the 3, the haworth is the most comfortable and lustful to sit on ( you can literally sit in it without standing up for hours ) but I have an issue with it, the build quality isn't as good as the herman Miller ( built like a tank).
The mirra which is mesh is quite comfortable but not up to the zody. You probably need to stand up every hour other than that I love its customization way better than the steelcase's. And between the mirra and aeron, I will pick the mirra cuz the frame around the mesh on the mirra is way slimmer than the aeron which gets in the way and produces pressure points.. just my 2 cent but YMMV
@@joshmcdzz6925 I think your chairs had some problems. Especially "center column is scratching the floor" which should not happen in any case even if you have bad wavy flooring. Knee pain can be due to poorly adjusted chair to your need as well as the back issues.
It takes great attention to the chair in order to adjust it to your likings. It is not the chair "plug n play" type as it's purpose is to adjust to your body and each body is different so if you don't properly adjust points the chair offers, it actually can hurt your body and feel worse then a wooden stool (I tested it personally as I own leap V2 and wanted to see how terrible it can be if I don't adjust it to my body, and after 5 minutes I srsly had the need to sit on a wooden chair).
As the video says, High end ergo chairs are not comfy chairs. They are firm. Seat pans are firm for a reason. My leap V2 is also firm but again at the same time comfortable enough so that I can sit in it for even 12 hours straight without back pain, neck pain, cervical pain as well as knee pain.
The reason why aeron probably feels better to you is because of it's mesh structure and it "dynamically" adjusts better compared to leap V2 since when you sit mesh hugs your body and orients according to it where then you take further adjustments while leap V2 takes manual adjustments to properly adjust.
Both chairs are wonderful ( I haven't tested aeron yet but plan to give it a spin in the showroom) and I can just say praises for the leap V2. I sat in many different "office" chairs and they all broke my back in ways I didn't even imagine. Leap V2 helped me straighten it back up.
Hey! Any update on the gesture?
Best chair. Unfortunately, I am planning to sell mine in India
2 months with this chair and still cant sit comfortably, the armrests cant even level at the same height
Don't buy this chair if you need firm lumbar support!!!! I have a budging disc at the L4/L5 region, as a result I cant sit on a chair with lumbar support that lets my lower back round at all. The lumbar support on this chair is very underwhelming. Even on the tightest or firmest setting if I relax my torso into the chair my lower back rounds slightly causing slight flexion in the disc. Literally the reason I purchased this stupidly expensive chair was for the all the reviews that highlighted the aggressive lumbar support. The live back technology steel case raves about is too dynamic and flexible allowing the lower back to bend or flex while on the firmest setting. If your just regular person with a healthy back this chair is fine but still not worth $1600 aus dollars.
Were you able to find a chair that corresponds to your needs ? I’m a bit in the same case as you
@@felixhuang7316 not yet, gave up on looking for chairs online, it’s just too risky. Need to go into a store and try some in person.
Do you have another chair that worked for you? Curious because i have back issues also
What did you buy in the end?
The seat padding or lack thereof is a non-issue. People who want a big plushy seat likely don't have back problems because ultra-soft seating can exacerbate back problems, and if they don't have back problems there's really no reason to spend $1500 on an ergonomic office chair.
hey man, i have lower back pain/sciatica. People say the leap causes tailbone pain, is it true? For someone with sciatica should I avoid this chair? and if so what else should i get instead
@@racksontheway659 this channel recommends the Steelcase Amia
@@racksontheway659 me personally I couldn't use it without a seat cushion cause it was giving me sciatic pain
What?
It takes time to develop back problems from ultra-soft seating. If they don't have it their risk increases with a ultra-soft plush seat.
Lol.
You're assuming these people have been prior sitting in ultra soft seats for a long enough period of time that they should have already developed back pain. You aren't considering that over time they could eventually develop it still. And you're not considering that people age and muscles weaken. And habits change. Thus even if they're Hulk or some shit that may not always be that way.
I just got a leap 2 chair. I wish it had more aggressive lumbar support.
You could add padding to the lumbar piece. Are you sitting with your butt close enough to the seat back ?
Sit on the Leap V2 at work for 12 hour shifts. Good for at work. Got one for at home for PC gaming... not so good. Hips get sore, can't recline as much as I'd like. Sold Leap V2... now what?!
I don't know what it was about this chair but it left my tailbone in absolute agony. It ticked every box.
I traded my gesture for a steelcase leap v2, which worked better for me as a very tall man
Is $100 for a v2 worth it.
Best thumbnail ever 😂
really like this video! at least you are telling the truth of Leap v2 cons 😂
Is BTOD taking shots at Crandall by saying putting on a ticket seat or back - even in the same shape - will hurt the ergonomics of the chair?
It is surprising to me that people believe that something with a different shape, different thickness, different density are the same thing. -Ryan
I personally hate the Leap v2. The bars that wrap around in the back to the armrests dig into my hips if I move just the wrong way. Also to me the lumbar support is not great.
Hello what chair are you using now instead?
The catching is a great detail that i dont expect most reviews to catch, very nice
Like most chairs, the cushioning is made to purposely limit the lifespan of the seat. The fact that another company makes aftermarket padding for it, is proof enough. Mine is hard as hell. It's the same damn thing over and over and over. A whole market of office chairs, and every single one of them, all made to wear out. On purpose.
I fluff my chair with farts and they last longer
you talking about peeling PU leather, and super high chairs requiring footrests?
@@smokescreen2146 I'm talking about the material that the cushions are made from. The foam they use compacts over time. It has a controlled life span.
You can buy new seat foam for these chairs. I don't know of any chair that could be made to last longer than the Steelcase Leap and Amia.
Wish I knew this stuff before I bought it, chair caused me a lot of pain in my legs
To those who love this chair: How tall/short are you?
I'm just curious as to which height this chair is best for.
I have the leap v2 and it’s nice and wide for those with larger hips. I’m not small. Right now I’m 190 and I have wider hips and I’m 5’9” and it sits perfectly for me. My spouse is 6 foot and 220 and it also fits him. I’m in it obv more so I can’t speak on him sitting in it for very long periods of time but he likes it. We don’t move so much backwards or sway ourselves so we have no issue with the backwards motion thing. My back is very comfortable in this chair though as is his. The chair is long lasting as well. I have had it for 3 years and it still is strong, the cushion still is comfortable and everything is still stable.
@@JennyAlaska Thanks for the feedback!😁
I think I'd try checking it out soon. I hope I could buy it😅
im 6 foot 155lbs and i like this one more than the aeron. The only downside is the stock headrest sucks, but i bought and aftermarket headrest for aeron and ziptied it in and it works great
Thank God it's erkelnomicly correct
You just said everything that made me return both the leapv2 and gesture...they are real dealbreakers. Another observation is that center column scratching the floor, it's going to ruin your hardwood or carpet...this is the most uncomfortable chair I ever used. Felt good at the store but when it got home after an hour, the honeymoon was over
In the beginning I felt uncomfortable too because of the aggressive lumbar, but how does the center column scratch your floor of it doesn't touch it?
If it doesn't have head and neck support I won't buy it.
In my office we were offered this chair for free for home use, everyone else jumped on the occasions as if they were given gold! I didn't. This chair is horrible! The mechanism is nice but the backrest is a joke! It is toooo thin and offers no support to my back and the tilt mechanism does nothing! I gave it a try for a few days and gave it back, what a disappointment (No, I have no intension of selling it and gaining a profit on the back of my employer).
This chair was the biggest waste of money I have ever wasted on a chair. I strongly do not recommend it.
That's how I feel about the Mirra 2 😑