Blizzard is making a big mistake taking the SoD Developers (Some) , and shifting their focus to Cata. Anyone else feel like they should have hired more devs FOR Cata...?
Blizzard fucks everything up why should we expect differently. They're actually expecting people to play cata. While certainly some people will play it and enjoy it most won't play it at all
Do they never save fixed files or what? :D just launch fixed cata version and that's it :D wtf are they only got early version of Cata, I cant understand this :D
It does feel like a huge mistake. Phase 2 feels to me at least like it's the start of a downfall of SoD already. There is far too much negativity on the forums not just about imbalance but about rune design etc. SoD feels like it could be an absolute gem. Like the best version of wow ever made and to me it honestly feels like the Devs are failing to deliver
@@vytis47 They have had years to do so without any restriction and a much smaller player base to appease. I am not saying you are wrong, and I think you should voice your opinion on what you want from Blizzard no doubt. I am just saying for what SOD was marketed as from the start and how long it has been around for its just not that.
Sod is an “experiment” so having said that once something fails, fix it, change it, don’t let it stay broken to months on end… I’m going to continue to harp on the completely get rid of “redirect” and put the combo points on the rogue itself and ninja star toss failed so just give rogues Fan of Knives already!!
This needs to happen. Rogues are in such a rough spot especially on fights like Menagerie. Make the combo points active on the rogue itself and please for the love of god give us Tricks or something…
No why should every class get good aoe?? Its classic. Melee dps will do better in the next raid without mechanical bosses or they need to nerf them in the next phase. They should just balance pvp.
11:40 That is NOT all that alts do. Alts allow you to experience almost a new game by playing a different role and having to deal with different mechanics and fights from a completely different approach. Add in class quests and fantasy, and the new rune system and how tied to class many of them are, and it gets harder to argue that playing alts doesn't let you see anything new from playing your main.
The SoD team defo needs to make prot wars wielding 1hand + shield generate more threat. I cannot keep aggro on my very well geared war, even on some boss encounters in Gnomer... On my Shaman tank it's a piece of cake.
@@bartomiejmierzejewski2999 I am playing PROT warrior, hence not using deep wounds. I only want PROT war to do more threat, as it's basically doing zero atm. I cant hold aggro from dps shamans etc. spamming all my highest threat abilities 24/7
Watching warriors, rogues and lock tanks (outside of pvp) makes me sad for anyone that has to get less of the dev's thoughts and time. I always loved shaman but even I can agree they are in an insane place right now. They have so many goodies. Like most content feels formed around clear metas. I know that was similar in Vanilla, but it's silly considering SoD was the chance to make everything cooler, not just specific classes.
@@Kilmar4999 yep. reason i stopped playing is logging... can't find a raid if u are not logging and i'm not a sweaty gamer which is problem for those people
IMO, they should have never made the goal of SOD the end of level band content raids. That heightens the urgency to level, and eliminates the urge to explore. They should have focused it on “discovering” stuff during the leveling and along-the-way content.
actually I agree with this. tbh the dungeon "reworks" into raids are fuckin half assed at best and you can clear them on release night in last phases gear. Theres literally no fucking point to this shit except to optimize siphoning money from ppl until Cata re-release.
Yeppp I'm leveling my 2nd alt so I'm going to be buying a third mount soon. Just from leveling I made 20 or 25 gold so the rest I have to fund. Plus consumes etc if I want to do gnomer, pvp, respeccing. Not to mention the 75g pearl swap for bfd.
@@Radassbadass69 they made mounts cheaper, but playing alts is still expensive, I’ve spent hundreds of gold gearing and getting mounts for all my toons, not to mention if you need another pearl, professions. It’s still a significant gold sync for a seasonal server, I should have to constantly farm gold because I want to make an alt and need a mount, epic crafting recipes. It’s absurd. If you really think it’s been addressed you’re not really playing the game.
So you chose poorly with your trinket in BFD? Boohoo that was your choice, and the developers still gave you a way to fix it. Saying you need profression epics or the trinket anyways is a joke. Gnomer is not a hard raid where you need bis gear to complete. Your own desire for logs I'm guessing has placed you into this mentality of thinking you need to dump tons of gold for a marginal increase in damage on an alternative you probably don't even care about.
So many cry babies in here wow.. sod has been a blast so far. Don’t know what people are on about. Yea there’s a lot of buffs and nerfs going on but so what.. it’s super easy to level. One of the most fun parts of sod is levelling classes before I never had an interest to play. I hope they add more like Dk’s
I agree its amazing. Its the sweatys who are crying there is nothing to do. They burn through the all the content in week one and then complain we need more. @@LeKrinKer
@@LeKrinKeryea lots people in my guild did go super hard week 1 and 2 and maxed all their alts to not miss a lockout 😂 and they they was burned out when xp boost came. Never understood why people do that while I hardly can decide which class and spec I wanna play next or farm supplies etc
The cry baby Reddit sweaty raiders all by far the worst community to tune the game for. Wow does it every time, and it ruins the game for the masses who make the world feel alive. The raiders log on a couple times a week, and then get burned out and stop playing. A game like Classic and SOD should be really be tuned for the casual to medium players who want to play the content. Raiders will raid either way.
I attempted to level some alts in phase 2 and failed, I really did enjoy going around and getting all the runes on my main but the thought of having to repeat that process on my alts seems more like a chore rather than something I’m excited about doing. I work full time and am married with two kids so I don’t have all the time in the world to grind out alts. I’m currently just raid logging on my main until next phase drops.
I agree, I don' think Blizzard should be shifting so much attention to Cata when SOD is the thing to play right now. It has so much potential and with more dev's focusing on this, it can be something big if handled correctly and efficiently. Great news as always Skyy 💯🔥
Yep. I can’t imagine going to retail. This is casual enough that I can use it as a hobby without having to be online all the time. That’s why it would be nice to have them make Classic + so we could continue to be casual
Heroic dungeons in Classic is the worst idea. Cannot believe they even thought of doing the survey lol I have been in many top 10 world speedruns in Phase 1 and 2 - however most of the playerbase in SoD + WoW in general is very casual. Heroic dungeons simply add a level of difficulty that is not necessary. It's already a struggle for dps / or fresh characters to find a raid because Gnomergan (although extremely EZ) is not a cakewalk, you want a decent comp + those players to have a basic gearset / build / skill level. - for example if you're a Mage Caster Dps and you're group needs a healer, Gnomer isn't EZ enough for you to just re-rune or respec with your caster gear and no logs for the majority of players, so you're group has to wait to find a qualified healer, same Goes with the tank Role. Layers of Difficulty add layers of exclusion and toxicity the more you add the more of a domino affect it has on the game. - What I mean is if new + casual player Cannot participate they drop out, they do not get better and then feed into the middle tier, the same affect then happens at higher levels. Everyone Losses. Classic WoW is a place where the content is face rolled, TBH Gnomergan is too difficult by itself. - Imagine having a 10 man group of all new players, New Character lvls of gear + missing some Runes, No RL to explain mechanics, not having DBM or Fiji and trying to do Gnomergan **this group doesn't clear past Electrocutioner...** (this is a massive portion of the player base) - those who wish to play above casual + new players don't really play classic wow, they play Warcraft Logs and Classic is simply the third party addon they plug into Logs. Heroic dungeons / Raids is a simple domino affect of gatekeeping that burdens the player base and was never good for the game. - as an example the most fun I've had in the game was Season of Mastery (I grinded 2 hunters to rank 14, played in #1 ranked raids world, had a #1 ranked character Dps) - SoM was the pinnacle of challenging and grinding in WoW Classic - But cough cough, everyone quit the player base fell apart and eventually there was like 5 guilds to get through naxx, this wasn't fun as a High end player, because we had to recruit low to middle tier players to even fill a raid, most players quit because they couldn't even commit to progressing to 60, Grind consumes + pre-bis needed for raids, or execute added mechanics KISS - Keep it simple stupid (this is a saying for success in general. not calling any specific thing stupid) Although it's great to listen to feedback from players, understand MOST players don't participate in this activity, it's typically the players that have been playing the game for a long time and or dedicate enough time to even articulate thoughts about the game. - the reality is each step you take from Face Roll EZ all the way up to Extremely Difficult is a step you push away new players that potentially feed into your mid/high tier player base later. - The real Success of WoW classic is the fact that it's Face Roll EZ - However High tier players still exist and have fun since they have player created content such as speed runs / parsing. This is why we saw half the player base of WOTLK quit the first few weeks of Ulduar - Too hard, ppl getting behind on gear/lockouts from other players / Couldn't compete so ppl quit.
Well said 👏. I've been saying, gnomer has felt harder than Molten Core and Blackwing Lair. In 40 man raids, you usually have 5 top parsing people and 5 mid parsers and then you have half in green and greys at the bottom. You have more freedom to carry in 40 man's. In these 10 man's, it's a struggle. It's suppose to be a level up raid, but you can't really bring alts in greens. Even my guild last night took 2hrs to clear. Half were alts, but they had mains who knew the fights. We had 2 new people, which needed to be told what to do. MC and BWL only take 1hr each.
@user-zw4xz2mc2q I said it's harder than MC and BWL. Gnomer has simple mechanics that most players can learn and follow. But when you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for players, a lot of players can't do those simple mechanics. I wiped in gnomer and took 2hrs to clear because we had new people that needed to learn mechanics. Wiping us on electrocutioner by not moving properly back to their spots when knocked back. Barely surviving Crowd Pummeler as I saw 5 people knocked off (honestly, I was laughing at that part). Menagerie taking a couple of attempts because we had a fresh new healer that was going oom and couldn't help keep the tank alive. We only wiped once on Thermaplugg do to threat issues, oops... 😬. Gnomer is very punishable, but yes, it's doable and not hard once you learn, have enough gear, and have a good raid comp.
I started playing WoW in BFA, I never played classic. When classic released in 2019 I didn't think much of it. I tried it a couple of times but was so used to the retail experience I didn't enjoy it. When SOD was being talked about I go interested. All of the years of playing in retail I was excited for something new in WoW. When SOD launched I made the switch to it, I really haven't gone back to retail cause SOD has been so much fun! I know there are people on here that have played since 2005 and played through classic a bunch of times. For the people like me who never played the original classic and who have been enjoying everyday logging into SOD we will not have the same complaints. I feel like the loudest people are usually the ones that get listened to the most, I know I will not have the best comments on how the game has been going or things that might need to be changed. All I know is that I have loved SOD and has made me love the game that much more! I have only 1 "complaint" and that is some sort of better mana regen for priest healers. Mage and Druid both have some sort of evocate (can priests get this???) , I would love this for raids. Now in saying this I am having to learn not to just use the max spell all the time, things I never had to worry about in retail. I just want to take my 5 mins here and say what an amazing job the team has done! Dont let the loudest and the most negative down play what yall have done! I can't wait to see what is to come in phase 3 and 4. I haven't been this excited for WoW in a long time!!!! Thank you SOD team for everything!!! Please keep creating and enjoying the game yall work so hard on everyday!
As a player from 2005, I'm happy you're enjoying classic sod. I've played retail as well, shadowlands and s1 dragonflight. Classic just hits different.
@@mantequillas1278 I really am! Its been the most fun on WoW I have ever had. No having to push 3k io or push to mythic raids. Just enjoying the content and finding the runes. That really has been the best part is the runes and how they play into the class.
I don’t want to play an understaffed experiment. I would like a full game. A real Classic+, and it has become clear now that’s not what we are getting. I understand that the devs are doing what they can with what they have, but it’s not enjoyable to me. It’s sad to see that it has the potential, the opportunity is right there, but it’s being wasted.
@@daltonnelson94yeah, sorry for that statement. HF in Cata. I had mine when it came out. However I stopped playing wotlk when it was announced. I understand why they don’t offer a single tbc era or wotlk era server (for not splitting up the player base even more), but I REALLY don’t like it…. however, since they said that they won’t delete sod characters we will eventually get sod era. That would definitely be something I would stick to for more than just a year…
Was talking with my guildies about the BFA housing system, and we starated brainstorming about guild houseing/area, showing of our guild acomplishments! Profession materials and raid/dungeon drops for upgrading/building said houses, and walls of fame with the head of raid/dungeon bosses hanging on display etc. Bringing the guild togheter, working towards a common goal, creating something larger than our characters!
I've said it many times and will say it again: SoD is *NOT* Classic+. It's a Beta for it. Why? Because even the Devs doesn't know what C+ should be. So they use SoD and throw a lot of things on the wall and see what sticks and use feedback as guidence. C+ was about to expand on the Classic world, not just to reuse it. Turn BFD and Gnomeregan from a dungeon into raids is hardly "new" content. What will they most likely do in p3? Make Sunken Temple from a dungeon to (drums...) a raid. Same deal again. What's new are the runes, supply boxes and the rumor of a Karazan Crypt raid at the end. Hoping for a proper C+ at Blizzcon 2024 in Nov.
The guys who complain a month after the launch of phase two that they have nothing left to do are the same ones who reached lvl 40 a day after the launch of the phase, doing SM like crazy. They rushed everything in a month and still complain that there is no content. These people have to understand that wow sod is a new experience and that includes giving people who are not hardcore like these people who complain a chance, to enjoy the game, the leveling and everything we are entitled to. For me everything is perfect. In phase 1, I managed to make my warlock full bis by doing just 1 month of BFD with some alt pugs from my guild and I really enjoyed every part of the leveling and discovery.
It’s a new experience so where’s the new content.. 1 raid and 1 event is not enough for months and months man. This company makes cash hand over fist. They only have 10 devs on SoD? If there’s 100k ppl playing sod we pay 15 a month man, that’s everyone’s yearly salary paid in a month from sod alone. Stop making excuses for blizzard dude. No new dungeons, reps, quest hub, like I don’t get paid to come up with stuff but it’s not that difficult. I leveled to 40 in a couple weeks. Went into the raid 20 min after I hit 40. And now I log in and just like what do I do … level an alt? Please man stop making excuses for this company. SoD has already paid for itself and they barely put resources into it when u think about. Phase 1 was very fun for a lot of us and phase 2 seems like they put in a quarter of the effort. There’s no content brother. If u level 25 to 40 in 2 months than that’s good for u. A lot of us want to play this game for 3-5 hours after work and maybe a little longer on the weekend and that’s not even a lot but if u want to play that much the content runs out VERY quickly. This guy in the video has been d riding blizz through all fo a sod and the better wow and sod does the more he makes off his videos and even he’s admitting there’s nothing to do…
Honestly Blizzard looks unable to make a good game since the last 10 years. I find a lots of analogies with Hollywood big movie studios, big money but badly crafted product with no soul. It really looks like that these projects are driven by marketing and financial teams. Their job is NOT to have ideas or creating something. Their job is trend analysis and risk management, for value extraction. Its not having ideas or creating something. Its so obvious that blizzard's devs or creative/writer teams are completly unheard and have 0 impact in decision-making process (or they don't have the ressources for delivering what's expected by the management). Its about quality, look at some games made by big japenese studios for e.g, its always polished and with proper direction.
When I heared you mentioned WoD Garrison (aka housing in mmo's) was good, you lost me. Yes on paper it looked good. I remember my first mmo back in 2001 (Daoc) had an amazing housing system. But WoW's WoD housing was bad on so many levels. You should not be able to do so much in a separate place like. Last thing we need is a housing system like WoD that makes the open world more dead because ppl sit in their homes all day. I find my own way out. Unsubbed.
uhhh yea dude we used to get zone wide pvp all the time. Layering and whiney retail andys crying about open world pvp when they chose to be on a pvp server is why it doesnt happen anymore. 95% of SOD isnt new content like was promised. This vid is pure dev bootlicking lol They dont deserve *shit* they lied to us about what this is from the get go. I mean dude, they just released a pirate themed warfront for retail, and this is the best theyve been able to come up with for SOD????
Trend treadmill… keep riding the hypes. Consumers have a short attention span and blizz knows this and it is how they stay relevant. I don’t blame them, I blame the community.
I enjoy all aspects of WoW classic to retail but I'm probably going hold off on SoD after all it's only temporary or (Seasonal) I'm hoping for Classic+ realms at this point, not more temp or seasonal realms. It's just lot work for something so time consuming that will be toss at some point. Come on Classic+ realms..
Actually impressive how this has become one of the worst UA-cam channels, instead of educational content. Catering to the worst people this community has to offer.
I love cata and cata is a real game with real raids. Sod is a beta for us to play. I love both but I’m ready for Cata. I’m getting alittle tired of sod tbh
@@heylegd7098it was more fun when shamans where absolute trash? It wasn't more balanced. It just feels that way because you find yourself on the other side.
@@heylegd7098 Yea balance was a hunter using eyes of the beast and being able to hide and kill most classes without even shooting or swinging them selfs 😂
Fresh server launches are the best part of every part of wow but I like that sod is still brand new and ever changing unlike any other version of classic
Yep. I cancelled yesterday. They are taking wayyyyyy too long in between phases and I’m not going to sit around and pay while they work on the next phase.
@@nacujo even when they drop phase 3, they'll wait for half the player base to hit 50 and then activate an XP boost just to assure you they don't respect the time you put in. It's starting to remind me that's it's still the same ol' Blizzard.
I'm not ready to say that yet tbh. One would think level 60 would be where they'd be able to go all out and add in not only new raids but new dungeons, battlegrounds, work on unfinished zones like Hyjal, etc.
Paladins need massive help. Just compare & contrast with Shaman. I had a 60%+ win rate in WSG as alliance in p1. I just finished my exalted grind and my win rate tanked to 39%. Ive lost 12 of my last 14 games and it just comes down to how many priests and shaman they have. Im so sick of this caster meta.
Warriors need massive help. Just compare and contrast with shaman... Rogues need massive help. Just compare and contrast with shamans.. Ranged hunters need massive help. Just compare and contrast with Shaman.. Ferals need massive help. Just compare and contrast with Shaman.. Shams are busted this phase. Blizz devs are busy tryna stick gum in the holes of other boats, they cba.
Another rested xp. its like the borg or the forsaken, it just keeps spreading to every wow classic creator. Props to Kargoz I guess. He bypassed the rules of WoW on monetizing add ons, and got 100s of creators to shill it.
#1 Leveling guide out there, helps player, helps creators. Non stup updates, bug fixes and technical advances on it constantly as well. He made a product and profited. aka hes a fucking beast.
Im so sorry buddy lance has been so busy with work lately its really taking over everything. I promise we are trying outr hardest 1k comments a video is alot hahahah
All I want is that when they say they are doing something about bots they actually doing something about the bots. This is week 3 of reporting the massive amount of bots in Dustwallow marsh and they are still walking around. 3 weeks is waaaaaay to long and letting them walk around so long is so inefective.
I'm interested in knowing what the Developers think about the number of times Rogues in Raid click Redirect & how they could make it usable. (I was thinking maybe it could be a passive where up to 15s after a mob dies with combo points on it they get transferred over to your next target.)
Sad, I'm honestly on my last leg for playing wow after nearly 20 years. I started in Oct 6th 2004, my 10th birthday. I know what Cata is.. I played it on release.. It was OKAY.. at best.. Blizzard pulling Devs from the SoD team to help with Cata... I'd like to say they know what they are doing but we don't trust them, with reason.. I really hope SoD has some life left in it. I really am enjoying playing SoD; look forward to logging on each day after work. I won't be playing Cata. SoD is the only thing left for me. I hope there is more to this!
imo, cata had the best raids, and the best state of PvP besides MoP. idk i had a very wrong way to experience cata, before the pre patch for cata, having the dungeon finder added in the last patch for WoTLK already gave me a bad taste, then having the map change made me so mad. i gave up on cata except for PvP. Everyone i've talked to said the cata raid's were better than wrath raids. less repetitive, etc. I'm excited to give cata another shot. I don't agree with taking devs from different teams and shifting focus to cata.
Cata was just good for pvp and 1st raid tier, other than that... it's a dumpster fire. SoD was an opportunity to go into classic+ and make something amazing... but again... missed the mark... let's face it the original wow devs who made the amazing first 3 trilogy are long gone and I thank them for the greatest game I've ever played but it may be time to move on. 2005 player here btw.
@@GokuIRL i've been a player since 2006, I personally think cata was a lot better than people are giving it credit for. The in game cinematics, better quests, the talents that got "removed" are actually now just passives in your spellbook as you level up, The PVP was great, the Raid's were Great, the difficulty in those raid's were great. I'm personally excited to give it the chance it deserves.
@@zc644 ?? i been playin since 2006 bub. idk what age has to do with my comment? Lol i said i had the wrong view on Cata and i'm excited to give it the proper chance it deserves. What's wrong with that?
@@josipmarasovic2436 exactly, and I also feel like add a couple sets (maybe a blue set and epic set) that’s all PvP stats would be really simple to make…
Something tells me that WoW will get a huge overhaul after the Worldsoul saga, splitting the community in "Classic Retailers" and "New Retailers" That being said, SoD is the boat in development to take aboard the quitters if things go south.
@@alexcrow332 you will see how fast the let down will be at cata classic. the only thing we have from it? developers of SoD are talking their ressources to it and having less time for SoD. im not parroting anything. Bringing everything as „classic“ will just cut this community more and more.
Change my mind. SOD is another Ion Hazzikostas psyop to try and save all his other failed announcements (CATA) that have MT's and retail WoW. I am convinced he gets kickbacks from MT's at this point. The SOD team PURPOSELY sabotaged pvp balance doubling down on the most irritating things to fight. Example? TWO grounding totems when casters already avoided Alliance for that reason. Insane dot dmg from shadowpriests when they already have a blanket silence and nukes they should be balanced around. More pets, increasing attack speed even more next phase in a pushback game that no one could possibly think is a good idea if they played the game. Also you have solo queue on Horde at 20 minutes when you can queue with another character on an alt account and get 2 min queues? SOD is being purposely destroyed so that the unethical influencers can hype and sell Cata for MT's. Expect a hard push from these sellouts soon. Simply unsub. Warcraft will NEVER be good with Ion at the helm, he hates the classic community and only used it to try to save his repeated failures. He's the single worst thing to ever happen to WoW.
I hope heroic mode will be on phase 4, with an update of low level dungeon, for small guild who cant raid for some reason or just a lonely player without guild, that's can be a great activity.
Ion Hazzikostas simply wanted SOD to fall on it's face due to lacking MT's and character boosts that he gets kick backs on. It didn't. A small team outdid him in phase 1. The floor was pulled out in phase 2 and you won't convince me that things like a second grounding totem and bizarre solo queue matchmaking weren't done to push us towards the soon to be shilled Cataclysm. Every influencer you see do a quick 180 pivot to Cataclysm should be called out as the unethical shills they are. They don't care about you at all, didn't care about SOD and only care about money and their OTK duel tournament where they put hundreds of hours into classes they know are overtuned and refuse to give real feedback or criticism on.
WoW has always been one of those games that you take breaks from and come back on a patch. Look at the 10.2.6 controversy. People were excited to have more to do in Retail again. So players will come back when new content is added. Simple!
@TheComebackKids - Hello man, I'm typing here for a problem noone talks about, but we need to have discussion. There are a lot of people getting banned for no reason or not using any hacks including me in the redit section. It seems when you done a lot of dungeon farming doesn't matter which dungeon you can get falsely banned for Offense: Exploitative Activity: Unauthorized Cheat Programs (Hacks). This should be addreseed as it seems innocent people getting banned and the system for banning bots currently is working bad. Please check this comment and give attention as you are a big streamer! Thank you in advance
As I predicted in one of your previous videos. They completely killed premades by catering to the 'solo' player who instead of playing solo complains there's no content. STV while kinda ok killed the AB grind, I saw one of the biggest pvp communities completely die from phase 1 to 2.
I have been, (and sorta still am) holding out hope for what I think would be cool for a "SoD/Classic+" server.. Some of the old dungeons that were to be implemented but weren't for whatever reason. My friend group threw around ideas of Grim Batol, original version of Black Morass, and of course Karazhan Crypts! (fingers crossed)
I don’t pay a subscription to “go take time off to play another game”. Season of Development is the perfect money grabbing scheme to continue taking advantage of Blizz fan boys. 🤑
Lot of current content could be extended if they tuned runes that viewed as useless to breathe new life into classes and playstyles. There will always BiS but if the other options available for your class are at least a little comparable it'll encourage people to not get forced to use the same runes. This goes for every class, they all have anywhere from 6-10 runes that are, comparably, almost useless. Fixing that issue would be easy, and go a long way in keeping things interesting.
Bro ain't nobody playing cata, especially after the first month lmao. I been respectful about it but now that it's cutting into my SOD developers... Cmonnnn let's be real lol
While I'm fine with them testing things and experimenting, Aggrend and the devs need to be aware their decisions and choices affect the enjoyment of many, many players. For example, letting shamans be numerically OP for so long results in other "subpar" classes getting ignored and disinvited from endgame content. This has an adverse effect on players' enjoyment and makes them not want to log in. Testing is fine, but when results are clear they need to act fast. Balance matters.
At some point from 0-60 some classes will be unbalanced, you need to understand they can't balance them perfectly for each level. Enh was useless in P1 but are really strong at 40 because they get some very important abilities, next phase will be different. Some classes are simply better twinks
Its got people leaving my guild to go play horde... I really wished they would have built it on a non vanilla client so we could get dwarf shamans and tauren pallys at a minimum.
@@Scotty86doo That's really stupid in my opinion, P3 is almost here and who is to say that paladins wont be stronger than shamans, they gonna reroll and do all that work to play twink for a week
@@Bubajumba its not just a flavor of the month opinion some people quit to go play horde phase 1 just because they liked shamans, blizzard fixed that imbalance in TBC im just wishing they would have gave us the option, they said they couldn't because it would break the Hardcore Classic Servers.
More scrapped raids, more scrapped dungeons. Comon Blizz After Naxx we need HYJAL raid, AZSHARA FURBOLG raid, ULDUM raid, maybe a WINTERSPRING SNOW THEMED raid, GILNEAS raid, A BRD raid behind Beal'Gar. ASHENVALE crescent groove and maybe a UN'GORO DINOSAUR raid etc. etc. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ill prolly get ignored again couse i leave "unconvinient comments" but as you always portraid yourself as "the bridge between players and developers" you seems to always avoid THE BIGGEST PROBLEM in SOD = BOTS . You never mention them and you even use DELUSIONAL statements as "the world feels FULL AND ALIVE " . Try to speak with some of the "players" in this "Full and alive world" 90 % are bots , the questing experience is ABSURD couse of bots , the economy is already broken and it will get only worse couse of BOTS.People are stuck in dungeons couse the open world questing is unplayable and you level x10 speed in dungeons .
Current Data shows there are ~200,000 active characters on SoD, assuming a conservative 3 characters per player and 1 account per player(66,666 accounts total), and 12 dollars USD per account we can calculate an estimated income of $799,992 PER MONTH. If they can't get rid of bots, hire GMs, and balance a live service game for 10 million dollars~ a year they aren't worth giving your money to. I enjoyed SoD but I am done being milked. Unsubbed from WoW for the first time in years. Free at last.
SoD sucks. It has "press this to become a role" buttons, much like retail spells, homogenization everywhere, very little new content, focusing on end game instead of the journey etc. They should just reboot Classic+TBC+WoTLK client, with possibility to change the current era with Chromie. Same character, that could be ported between worlds, with cap of 60, 70 and 80. That could effectively have 3 lives, in each era at the same time. Feeling tbc? Go to Chromie and play some Karazhan. Want to fight Lich King? Ask her for your toon to become WoTLK. Having plenty of time and complaining having nothing to do? You have 3 worlds, 3 sets of dungeons, PvP Metas, raids that you could play at the same time. Add dual spec and no other changes and we have a permanent game that we can play until we pass away.
ya im bored af with SoD. farming is so bad with bots and respawn rates. even alts tho its a boring grind trying to get your pvp bis gear like for WSG. And i think Raid logs are so Bot like everyone in LFG is saying you need 6/6 raid log to join hte raid group like kinda of a shit META and then people just play whats the most OP class at that moment so RAID LOGS NEED TO GO!!!! just like GDKP was ousted.
This is the double edged sword that is Seasonal/level bracketed content. Heroic dungeons don't exist for level 30, 40, or 50 in any version of the game. It's strictly a max level content addition. Expecting a small team of Devs to add a new Heroic system for every bracket of levels in a seasonal realm isn't feasible, especially if they aren't going to have bracketed level phases after SoD. I absolutely hate that my guild is doing nothing but raid logging. But we can't expect the Dev team to release max level content for each level bracket that lasts 8-10 weeks. Cata will be bigger than everyone realizes. MOST of the complaints for Cata are things that have nothing to do with it. People still blame Cata for the removal of talent trees, the ruining of class identity (every class having every ability), and trivializing the leveling experience. All of that happened in MoP, not Cata. Normal and Heroic Dungeons - Normal and Heroic 10 and 25 man raids - Multiple Raids in a phase - RBG's - More BG's - PvP gear earned from doing PvP - Rep grind gear/mounts - Transmog to keep old content relatable - faster and more streamlined leveling - better class balancing with better albitites. In fact, a large majority of the runes in SoD (and datamined future runes) are from Cata or just before. Cata literally has everything we are asking for in SoD...but does it better.
"I liked the housing system in WOD* whoa whoa whoa... Back up... Hold on a Minute! Lets not add this system... noooo Now a housing system like they have in New world sure.. But 100% cosmetic only and IT CAN NOT NOT NOT make people ignore the cities. at most it can have a hearthstone place in it. but no AH no Venders.
"A team less than 10", but why? Blizzard makes so much money that they CAN afford more devs... so, why not? I don't want to hear that excuse anymore. If they need more people, then HIRE MORE DEVS!
Honestly, I think the most underrated comment you've made in this vid was that it's OKAY to play a different game while waiting for the next patch. I have four 40 alts, three are near BiS, and actively working on WSG rep for exalted (1/4 for exalted) and the game has slowed down for me. Varlamore just came out on OSRS and I've been having a blast trying that out. It's been nice to not worry about progression and just relax on wow and enjoy another game!
At this point I believe its ridiculous to tell the devs you want to "keep the classic feel." There is 0 classic feel about SoD at the moment. Literally 0. Leveling is fast, there are closets for summoning, raiding, vast amount of nonclassic abilities etc.. I do believe it is to the point where they need to take the next step in really developing the idea of classic plus and turning SoD into it at 60. I believe you could implement even more ease of life updates, up to the point of wotlk-ish era, but no further. Wotlk still has its own "classic" feel, and does not go overboard on the modernization that comes from Cata and beyond (talent changes/the amplifcation of multipliers/entire land changes/fucking attonement healing bullshit etc etc). Some ex: 1. Shamans for alliance, pallies for horde. 2. A group finder (NOT RDF) 3. Decrease the time it takes to pick up quest items/ drop rates So create an environment that has new raids (while keeping the old), new dungeons (introducing heroic mode). I love the idea which you highlighted in this video of adding more interesting effects and bonuses to gear besides "wow this bis dagger gives 10 more intellect than the bis dagger at 40" kind of thing. PLEASE introduce organized pvp, and start pvp balancing (rated bgs, new bgs, arenas, 1v1 battles and events..etc etc.) A huge pvp change would be fixing resist chance/ creating hit cap etc etc... The whole running around and getting one shot by everything in STV is not fun.
Lol, I find it funny how blizzard is probably down the line going to implement micro-transactions in SoD. I think they'll offer a lvl 40 boost in p3 of SoD for like 20 bucks or something and that class will have all their runes available. Just like Classic was with TBC and offering a lvl 58 boost plus free flying mount and now classic "WoW Tokens". Stop thinking that SoD is going to be different. Sure it might feel that way with new raids and the rune system but essentially the same thing regurgitated. SoD is an experiment alright, into figuring out how to extract more money for the same thing. Already Cata classic is 80 bucks when most players bought retail cata for 80 bucks a few years ago. Buying the same game and expansions multiple times for same content is another form of the "bait and switch". Wow players are so naive.
When they allowed gold sellers and buyers for the entirety of phase 1 and then decided to remedy that by NOT BANNING BOTTERS but the buyers, many of whom are trying to keep up with the economy that Blizzard created not cheat it, that was a huge red flag for me. But I kept on playing. But I recently noticed that, while developers seem to listen and have given lots of fun to Classic WoW, it has become painstakingly obvious that this is still the same corporation that sold us Diablo 4. It's less and less about fun and "discovery", and more and more about keeping the player logged in.. I've enjoyed your content but SoD has proven to be just another corporate experiment, not a fun experiment imo. Good luck in the future!
I love sod so much and more things to do in the world with my friends after raid would be cool but I just hangout and pvp and fish and we all run around as a pack of goofs
based Aggrend: "This isn't madness.. THIS. IS. SOD!!" *kicks redditors down the hole* But being serious id love to see more way more cosmetics that come from long quest chains or class specific stuff.. Like the sunshades shoulda been some kind of long quest reward
This being an experiment has always been true - if anything this is less Classic+ beta and more WoW2 Beta if its ANY kind of beta - and thats classic as a whole. Spend 10 years figuring out what systems / content style /exp rates people like and want and then have chromie come in after the 3 part saga and point out she messed up the time line and we need to do a hard reset back to WC1 and include more than just Orcs and humans as playable races. (im on Copium i know) Afterthought - It could also be him indirectly throwing the higher ups under the bus knowing we're going to be sad that its not C+ and force them to invest into a C+ server. (MORE COPIUM *Breathes deeply*)
I agree with @UrbanLovesDaLakersbaby.. I LOVE the comeback kids videos, but you are adverticing and suggesting abit too much from retail and it's not that im scared to changes brother, im just scared of RETAIL.
Ive got 2 hot takes that may be unpopular, but its how i feel. But im gonna say it. Bloodmoon is the laziest pile of crap Blizz has ever put in the game. Literally there is no objective just a chaotic free for all. it was fun at first but grew old really quick. having no objective kinda ruins the experience for me. Hot take 2. Blizz HATES Alchemy. While every professions gets some sort of BiS reward Alchemy gets a weak pot, that share CD with mana and health pots that are stronger. Yes you get a buff, but you also get a Debuff. It feels really bad to be an Alchemist right now
This guy doesnt seem to understand just how little effort they have put into season of discovery. I dont think he has any clue what so ever about how you make content within an engine. He gives Blizzard WAY to much credit... For P2 they added pretty minor mechanics to bosses, added 1 boss, and moved a couple bosses. Changed the stats on gear (can be done in less that 1 minute per piece of gear), released some gear, and added the PVP even which is a combination of 2 debuffs, 1 currency, 1 vender, a few GYs, and some alters that convert a debuff to currency, and flagging everyone in the zone the same as the arena... And lastly a few runes almost all of which exist elsewhere in wow, and thus they are basically copy/paste and test... Im sorry but if my employees only produced that much work in 10 weeks they would be fired... and I mean a SINGLE employee, not a team...
People forget that WoW Classic is about being immersed into the world ; The true endgames of wow is PVE but its also interacting with players to develop relationships, farming gold for Consumables and Items and services, and most importantly PvP. If you arent interested in doing all of these things you will find yourself with limited content (Raid logging). If you care about the 4 things i mentioned above, Wow, even in phase 2, has unlimited content. Additionally, many of the players who complain about "P2 has no content" are people who played p1 and have already accomplished most of the things your main can do. If you just joined SoD and level a fresh character, there is actually a ton of content to delve into. The game will be so full of content by the time level 60 is available for a fresh character. You don't realize how good you have it, you just like to fantasize about what could be instead of enjoying what's in front of you. If wow isn't giving you the fun, take a break and play something that is giving you more fun.
Cata is an obvious NO. About SoD, horizontal progression is what this game needs. Endless leveling is pointless and leads to nothing but boredom and frustration. Once max level, we should only focus on getting gear throught dungeons, rep and quests, same for new abilities with runes (makes the game fun and visiting areas relevant). Fill unfinished places and plotlines. Also an alternative story, free of spacegoats and void nonsense would be nice (I want proper shadow stuff). Where are our necromancers ? Why the forsakens are still in the horde ? Imagine playing a third undead faction, wouldn't be awesome ? Horde can have their gobelins as 4th races, for what I care. Time for no-change is over, we need ambitious and relevant additions, not idiotic toys/mounts collection. Also keep the game gloomy please, enough of funny/cute jokes (wouldn't mind some, not all the way), just set the ambiance and tell a story.
SoD had 100s of thousands of players. Why blizz only put 10 devs on it is beyond me and is NO excuse for lack of content. We pay $15 a month. If you only have 100k ppl that’s 1.5 millon dollars…. So I mean 15 guys at a 100k that’s everyone’s year salary in 1 month.. we pay a monthly fee to play this game on top of in game purchases!!! Enough is enough guys this company makes insane money and they don’t even take us to dinner before they fk us man. I’m fed up and sick of the excuses.
Im finally starting to lose interest in Phase 2, I grinded up some alts and got my main going thru Gnomer but I'm starting to lose motivation to play, I got geared and got my Irradiated set but I feel punished for using it when Electrocutioner 1 shots me and kills my Boon, World Buffs ruin the game for me and shouldn't fall off when you die, makes me toxic and mad at healers or people failing mechanics gets me killed and I lose my buffs. They should just last thru death... I like to use parses to see how I'm performing and with world buffs its too easy to be a purple/blue parser and then lose a world buff and drop down to green/grey parser. I'm not trying to parse scum but I like to at least get a Blue Parse. The General lacking of Quality of Life in SoD is getting painful (mailing yourself taking 1 hour!), realistically I would have preferred if they build the game on Wrath Styled Servers, having access to Shamans and Pally on both factions would have been great too. Gathering Professions need a performance Consume or something to make them worth bringing. Guess I just raid log until im forced to PuG and then quit wow forever or go check out turtlewow
I was litterally making a joke how Blizzard/Bobby was looking at the subs for SoD going "Wow! This is amazing guys. I cant believe you did this with such small team! So this is what the players really want eh? Okay Okay I hear you but what could you do if we just halfed your team? Think you could string 'em along for a little bit more?"
30 min AB and WSG queues on Living Flame EU is so, so horrible. I love the new PvP content but the easy rep gain is destroying regular BGs. Why did they make it so you can get exalted from STV alone?
I’ve been worrying about SoD since week 2 of phase 2. There’s nothing to do.. we pay $15 a month with insane amount of in game purchases through different versions of the game. We needed at least 1 new dungeon with a heroic mode on a daily lockout. Plus new quests and more in game rewards that you can get solo. Just very very little content in phase 2. In phase 1 I actually got my pre raid bis through several diff dungeons. Phase 2 we have sm and ulda and rfd but I only ran ulda and rfd 1 time at 40. I tanked the raid 20 min after hitting 40. No reason to do those dungeons really. No cool new quest lines. Idk.. I’ve been logging on and just like ok what do I even do..? Sucks becuase ohsse 1 was so fun idk what happened.
You said SoD is not classic and not retail, seems more like wow's greatest hits, which is very well said. Idk why no1 is talking about maybe the devs implementing ARENAs in sod. Its the greatest hit of wow and maybe it will ruin the vanilla feel but, imo p2 doesnt feel anything like classic/vanilla. It'll be insane if they like cap the ranking at 60 on r10 and maybe implenet arena points to lvl to r14, as it seems it'll be dull just staking honor points in a liniar pvp ranking system that they implemented. Let me hear your thoughts about it, please! Cheers!
Well, it looks like the honeymoon phase is over. What an absolute shame, blizzard is still the same old same old. I guess at the end of the day, imma go right straight back to private servers. The fact that P3 is gonna have less devs focusing it tells me that P3 is gonna be a copy from P2. We get new runes, 10 more levels, and a new raid. A new pvp event that could probably be a copy of one of the existing systems in BGs. That also means that aggrend calling this an “experiment” is indicative that he knows it’s already over and is prepared to accept that they’re gonna lose players in P3. Why does blizzard never seem to know what to do once they get a good thing going? I’m incredibly disappointed in them, but I’m also the idiot that subbed back again thinking SoD would be different so I can’t do anything now but wipe the clown paint off my face.
Blizzard is making a big mistake taking the SoD Developers (Some) , and shifting their focus to Cata. Anyone else feel like they should have hired more devs FOR Cata...?
Shifting resources towards Cata which majority don’t care about is a big mistake. Go for broke on SoD
Blizzard fucks everything up why should we expect differently. They're actually expecting people to play cata. While certainly some people will play it and enjoy it most won't play it at all
Do they never save fixed files or what? :D just launch fixed cata version and that's it :D wtf are they only got early version of Cata, I cant understand this :D
Typical blizzard sod is having so much potential and moving to cata....
It does feel like a huge mistake. Phase 2 feels to me at least like it's the start of a downfall of SoD already. There is far too much negativity on the forums not just about imbalance but about rune design etc.
SoD feels like it could be an absolute gem. Like the best version of wow ever made and to me it honestly feels like the Devs are failing to deliver
bruh it seems like private servers push out WAY more original content from the blueprints right in azeroth all from a basement lmao
Devs have blue hair. That should tell you everything
turtle WoW is what SoD SHOULD BE.
Yep they don't give a crap about their games, they only care about the all mighty dollar
@@vytis47 They have had years to do so without any restriction and a much smaller player base to appease. I am not saying you are wrong, and I think you should voice your opinion on what you want from Blizzard no doubt. I am just saying for what SOD was marketed as from the start and how long it has been around for its just not that.
@@zStC1 you are not paying attention to the world then
Sod is an “experiment” so having said that once something fails, fix it, change it, don’t let it stay broken to months on end… I’m going to continue to harp on the completely get rid of “redirect” and put the combo points on the rogue itself and ninja star toss failed so just give rogues Fan of Knives already!!
same for feral then i hate multi target fights as a cat for that reason
Accurate
This needs to happen. Rogues are in such a rough spot especially on fights like Menagerie. Make the combo points active on the rogue itself and please for the love of god give us Tricks or something…
No why should every class get good aoe?? Its classic. Melee dps will do better in the next raid without mechanical bosses or they need to nerf them in the next phase. They should just balance pvp.
@@PuffOnSomeLufeguswhat about feral druid…
11:40 That is NOT all that alts do. Alts allow you to experience almost a new game by playing a different role and having to deal with different mechanics and fights from a completely different approach. Add in class quests and fantasy, and the new rune system and how tied to class many of them are, and it gets harder to argue that playing alts doesn't let you see anything new from playing your main.
Sod kinda makes me angry because the only good spells are the new ones, and there’s a huge power gap between new spells and vanilla ones..
The SoD team defo needs to make prot wars wielding 1hand + shield generate more threat. I cannot keep aggro on my very well geared war, even on some boss encounters in Gnomer... On my Shaman tank it's a piece of cake.
This
"Warrior will be so op at lvl 60"
Sp they cant any changes like in other classes, we must be happy deep wounds was fixed xD
@@bartomiejmierzejewski2999 I am playing PROT warrior, hence not using deep wounds. I only want PROT war to do more threat, as it's basically doing zero atm. I cant hold aggro from dps shamans etc. spamming all my highest threat abilities 24/7
Watching warriors, rogues and lock tanks (outside of pvp) makes me sad for anyone that has to get less of the dev's thoughts and time. I always loved shaman but even I can agree they are in an insane place right now. They have so many goodies. Like most content feels formed around clear metas. I know that was similar in Vanilla, but it's silly considering SoD was the chance to make everything cooler, not just specific classes.
"Im not sucking up to the dev team" 2 minutes later... "Aggrend is basically King Leonidas"
Theyre banking on people playing cata. Most of us that played classic the journey stopped when the LK died.
Its so sad... not anyone I know wants to play Cata xD They are mostly interested in SOD or WotlK.. but I doubt they will play it again..
I agree. I liked Cata but I won't go back to it. Classic for me ended at WotLK. Been enjoying SoD though.
Cata is retail. Nothing will change my mind on it being anything else.
Yeah no one asked for Cata
Cata is a great expansion. It's going to be a blast. People that are quitting are going to miss out.
SoD has been fun for me. Having said that I am super casual.
SoD is pretty great for casuals. Maybe other than people being annoying in the new raid with logs etc
Agreed. Did my first full gnomer yesterday on my main. To me I'm liking the length of each phase. Gives me time to run a few more runs to get my BIS
@@Kilmar4999 yep. reason i stopped playing is logging... can't find a raid if u are not logging and i'm not a sweaty gamer which is problem for those people
its great for casuals because you dont notice how empty the content is due to the fact it takes a month for yall to hit max level XD
I like how casual it is because I'm semi-hardcore elsewhere. It's my chill out game.
IMO, they should have never made the goal of SOD the end of level band content raids. That heightens the urgency to level, and eliminates the urge to explore. They should have focused it on “discovering” stuff during the leveling and along-the-way content.
actually I agree with this. tbh the dungeon "reworks" into raids are fuckin half assed at best and you can clear them on release night in last phases gear. Theres literally no fucking point to this shit except to optimize siphoning money from ppl until Cata re-release.
They need to do something about all the gold sinks, it’s crazy to have to farm so much gold for a seasonal server
Especially with bots controlling the AH
Yeppp I'm leveling my 2nd alt so I'm going to be buying a third mount soon. Just from leveling I made 20 or 25 gold so the rest I have to fund. Plus consumes etc if I want to do gnomer, pvp, respeccing. Not to mention the 75g pearl swap for bfd.
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This was already addressed, your fault if you dont have enough gold that's on you
@@Radassbadass69 they made mounts cheaper, but playing alts is still expensive, I’ve spent hundreds of gold gearing and getting mounts for all my toons, not to mention if you need another pearl, professions. It’s still a significant gold sync for a seasonal server, I should have to constantly farm gold because I want to make an alt and need a mount, epic crafting recipes. It’s absurd. If you really think it’s been addressed you’re not really playing the game.
So you chose poorly with your trinket in BFD? Boohoo that was your choice, and the developers still gave you a way to fix it. Saying you need profression epics or the trinket anyways is a joke. Gnomer is not a hard raid where you need bis gear to complete. Your own desire for logs I'm guessing has placed you into this mentality of thinking you need to dump tons of gold for a marginal increase in damage on an alternative you probably don't even care about.
So many cry babies in here wow.. sod has been a blast so far. Don’t know what people are on about. Yea there’s a lot of buffs and nerfs going on but so what.. it’s super easy to level. One of the most fun parts of sod is levelling classes before I never had an interest to play. I hope they add more like Dk’s
Couldn't agree with you more. SoD is a breath of fresh air. I think people just level too fast and just burn out too quickly.
I agree its amazing. Its the sweatys who are crying there is nothing to do. They burn through the all the content in week one and then complain we need more. @@LeKrinKer
@@LeKrinKeryea lots people in my guild did go super hard week 1 and 2 and maxed all their alts to not miss a lockout 😂 and they they was burned out when xp boost came. Never understood why people do that while I hardly can decide which class and spec I wanna play next or farm supplies etc
The cry baby Reddit sweaty raiders all by far the worst community to tune the game for. Wow does it every time, and it ruins the game for the masses who make the world feel alive. The raiders log on a couple times a week, and then get burned out and stop playing. A game like Classic and SOD should be really be tuned for the casual to medium players who want to play the content. Raiders will raid either way.
I attempted to level some alts in phase 2 and failed, I really did enjoy going around and getting all the runes on my main but the thought of having to repeat that process on my alts seems more like a chore rather than something I’m excited about doing. I work full time and am married with two kids so I don’t have all the time in the world to grind out alts. I’m currently just raid logging on my main until next phase drops.
I agree, I don' think Blizzard should be shifting so much attention to Cata when SOD is the thing to play right now. It has so much potential and with more dev's focusing on this, it can be something big if handled correctly and efficiently.
Great news as always Skyy 💯🔥
sod is it for me for wow. After 17 years, once this is over, I’m hanging it up. Wife kids work etc.
Same!!
Yep. I can’t imagine going to retail. This is casual enough that I can use it as a hobby without having to be online all the time. That’s why it would be nice to have them make Classic + so we could continue to be casual
ok grandpa
@Impuracle laugh while you can. You'll blink your eye one day and be in the same boat.
@@codybennett3646if you can’t have spare time to enjoy your own hobbies, is it really a life worth living?
Yeah the sod team seems like it "doesn't have too many cooks in the kitchen" which is nice I would imagine
Heroic dungeons in Classic is the worst idea. Cannot believe they even thought of doing the survey lol
I have been in many top 10 world speedruns in Phase 1 and 2 - however most of the playerbase in SoD + WoW in general is very casual. Heroic dungeons simply add a level of difficulty that is not necessary. It's already a struggle for dps / or fresh characters to find a raid because Gnomergan (although extremely EZ) is not a cakewalk, you want a decent comp + those players to have a basic gearset / build / skill level.
- for example if you're a Mage Caster Dps and you're group needs a healer, Gnomer isn't EZ enough for you to just re-rune or respec with your caster gear and no logs for the majority of players, so you're group has to wait to find a qualified healer, same Goes with the tank Role.
Layers of Difficulty add layers of exclusion and toxicity the more you add the more of a domino affect it has on the game.
- What I mean is if new + casual player Cannot participate they drop out, they do not get better and then feed into the middle tier, the same affect then happens at higher levels. Everyone Losses.
Classic WoW is a place where the content is face rolled, TBH Gnomergan is too difficult by itself.
- Imagine having a 10 man group of all new players, New Character lvls of gear + missing some Runes, No RL to explain mechanics, not having DBM or Fiji and trying to do Gnomergan **this group doesn't clear past Electrocutioner...** (this is a massive portion of the player base)
- those who wish to play above casual + new players don't really play classic wow, they play Warcraft Logs and Classic is simply the third party addon they plug into Logs.
Heroic dungeons / Raids is a simple domino affect of gatekeeping that burdens the player base and was never good for the game.
- as an example the most fun I've had in the game was Season of Mastery (I grinded 2 hunters to rank 14, played in #1 ranked raids world, had a #1 ranked character Dps)
- SoM was the pinnacle of challenging and grinding in WoW Classic
- But cough cough, everyone quit the player base fell apart and eventually there was like 5 guilds to get through naxx, this wasn't fun as a High end player, because we had to recruit low to middle tier players to even fill a raid, most players quit because they couldn't even commit to progressing to 60, Grind consumes + pre-bis needed for raids, or execute added mechanics
KISS - Keep it simple stupid
(this is a saying for success in general. not calling any specific thing stupid)
Although it's great to listen to feedback from players, understand MOST players don't participate in this activity, it's typically the players that have been playing the game for a long time and or dedicate enough time to even articulate thoughts about the game.
- the reality is each step you take from Face Roll EZ all the way up to Extremely Difficult is a step you push away new players that potentially feed into your mid/high tier player base later.
- The real Success of WoW classic is the fact that it's Face Roll EZ - However High tier players still exist and have fun since they have player created content such as speed runs / parsing.
This is why we saw half the player base of WOTLK quit the first few weeks of Ulduar - Too hard, ppl getting behind on gear/lockouts from other players / Couldn't compete so ppl quit.
Well said 👏. I've been saying, gnomer has felt harder than Molten Core and Blackwing Lair. In 40 man raids, you usually have 5 top parsing people and 5 mid parsers and then you have half in green and greys at the bottom. You have more freedom to carry in 40 man's. In these 10 man's, it's a struggle. It's suppose to be a level up raid, but you can't really bring alts in greens. Even my guild last night took 2hrs to clear. Half were alts, but they had mains who knew the fights. We had 2 new people, which needed to be told what to do. MC and BWL only take 1hr each.
agreed, herioc dungeons is the dumbest idea ever and this kid just keeps repeating it over and over and over...
@user-zw4xz2mc2q I said it's harder than MC and BWL. Gnomer has simple mechanics that most players can learn and follow. But when you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for players, a lot of players can't do those simple mechanics. I wiped in gnomer and took 2hrs to clear because we had new people that needed to learn mechanics. Wiping us on electrocutioner by not moving properly back to their spots when knocked back. Barely surviving Crowd Pummeler as I saw 5 people knocked off (honestly, I was laughing at that part). Menagerie taking a couple of attempts because we had a fresh new healer that was going oom and couldn't help keep the tank alive. We only wiped once on Thermaplugg do to threat issues, oops... 😬. Gnomer is very punishable, but yes, it's doable and not hard once you learn, have enough gear, and have a good raid comp.
to be fair Comeback Kid's job in this space is to talk about things that would be hotbutton, but yea i agree bad idea@@t9t9t9t9t9
I started playing WoW in BFA, I never played classic. When classic released in 2019 I didn't think much of it. I tried it a couple of times but was so used to the retail experience I didn't enjoy it. When SOD was being talked about I go interested. All of the years of playing in retail I was excited for something new in WoW. When SOD launched I made the switch to it, I really haven't gone back to retail cause SOD has been so much fun! I know there are people on here that have played since 2005 and played through classic a bunch of times. For the people like me who never played the original classic and who have been enjoying everyday logging into SOD we will not have the same complaints. I feel like the loudest people are usually the ones that get listened to the most, I know I will not have the best comments on how the game has been going or things that might need to be changed. All I know is that I have loved SOD and has made me love the game that much more! I have only 1 "complaint" and that is some sort of better mana regen for priest healers. Mage and Druid both have some sort of evocate (can priests get this???) , I would love this for raids. Now in saying this I am having to learn not to just use the max spell all the time, things I never had to worry about in retail.
I just want to take my 5 mins here and say what an amazing job the team has done! Dont let the loudest and the most negative down play what yall have done! I can't wait to see what is to come in phase 3 and 4. I haven't been this excited for WoW in a long time!!!! Thank you SOD team for everything!!! Please keep creating and enjoying the game yall work so hard on everyday!
As a player from 2005, I'm happy you're enjoying classic sod. I've played retail as well, shadowlands and s1 dragonflight. Classic just hits different.
@@mantequillas1278 I really am! Its been the most fun on WoW I have ever had. No having to push 3k io or push to mythic raids. Just enjoying the content and finding the runes. That really has been the best part is the runes and how they play into the class.
The key to healing on priest is learning to abuse the 5 second rule
I would like the idea of them diving into reputation type discovery. They could have done something with the reputation for the centaurs in Desolace.
Yep. Instead of doing things like enriching leveling zones they just give us an xp buff to blow through everything faster.
@@GoremachineEven better lets ask for a character boost so you save even more time
That exact thought had crossed my mind, the desolcae centaurs were the perfect opportunity too
Yeah but then people will bitch and cry about how they are "required" to grind rep just like the tantrums from the box turn ins
I don’t want to play an understaffed experiment. I would like a full game. A real Classic+, and it has become clear now that’s not what we are getting. I understand that the devs are doing what they can with what they have, but it’s not enjoyable to me. It’s sad to see that it has the potential, the opportunity is right there, but it’s being wasted.
Moving devs from the best version of wow to a classic release nobody has asked for … good job, thank you!😭🤬🤯😣🥺
I asked for it. Cata classic is going to be a blast.
SoD will be great too. Don't worry!
@@daltonnelson94yeah, sorry for that statement. HF in Cata. I had mine when it came out. However I stopped playing wotlk when it was announced. I understand why they don’t offer a single tbc era or wotlk era server (for not splitting up the player base even more), but I REALLY don’t like it…. however, since they said that they won’t delete sod characters we will eventually get sod era. That would definitely be something I would stick to for more than just a year…
Was talking with my guildies about the BFA housing system, and we starated brainstorming about guild houseing/area, showing of our guild acomplishments! Profession materials and raid/dungeon drops for upgrading/building said houses, and walls of fame with the head of raid/dungeon bosses hanging on display etc. Bringing the guild togheter, working towards a common goal, creating something larger than our characters!
I've said it many times and will say it again: SoD is *NOT* Classic+. It's a Beta for it. Why?
Because even the Devs doesn't know what C+ should be. So they use SoD and throw a lot of things on the wall and see what sticks and use feedback as guidence. C+ was about to expand on the Classic world, not just to reuse it. Turn BFD and Gnomeregan from a dungeon into raids is hardly "new" content. What will they most likely do in p3? Make Sunken Temple from a dungeon to (drums...) a raid. Same deal again. What's new are the runes, supply boxes and the rumor of a Karazan Crypt raid at the end. Hoping for a proper C+ at Blizzcon 2024 in Nov.
The guys who complain a month after the launch of phase two that they have nothing left to do are the same ones who reached lvl 40 a day after the launch of the phase, doing SM like crazy. They rushed everything in a month and still complain that there is no content. These people have to understand that wow sod is a new experience and that includes giving people who are not hardcore like these people who complain a chance, to enjoy the game, the leveling and everything we are entitled to. For me everything is perfect. In phase 1, I managed to make my warlock full bis by doing just 1 month of BFD with some alt pugs from my guild and I really enjoyed every part of the leveling and discovery.
It’s a new experience so where’s the new content.. 1 raid and 1 event is not enough for months and months man. This company makes cash hand over fist. They only have 10 devs on SoD? If there’s 100k ppl playing sod we pay 15 a month man, that’s everyone’s yearly salary paid in a month from sod alone. Stop making excuses for blizzard dude. No new dungeons, reps, quest hub, like I don’t get paid to come up with stuff but it’s not that difficult. I leveled to 40 in a couple weeks. Went into the raid 20 min after I hit 40. And now I log in and just like what do I do … level an alt? Please man stop making excuses for this company. SoD has already paid for itself and they barely put resources into it when u think about. Phase 1 was very fun for a lot of us and phase 2 seems like they put in a quarter of the effort. There’s no content brother. If u level 25 to 40 in 2 months than that’s good for u. A lot of us want to play this game for 3-5 hours after work and maybe a little longer on the weekend and that’s not even a lot but if u want to play that much the content runs out VERY quickly. This guy in the video has been d riding blizz through all fo a sod and the better wow and sod does the more he makes off his videos and even he’s admitting there’s nothing to do…
Honestly Blizzard looks unable to make a good game since the last 10 years. I find a lots of analogies with Hollywood big movie studios, big money but badly crafted product with no soul.
It really looks like that these projects are driven by marketing and financial teams. Their job is NOT to have ideas or creating something. Their job is trend analysis and risk management, for value extraction. Its not having ideas or creating something.
Its so obvious that blizzard's devs or creative/writer teams are completly unheard and have 0 impact in decision-making process (or they don't have the ressources for delivering what's expected by the management). Its about quality, look at some games made by big japenese studios for e.g, its always polished and with proper direction.
When I heared you mentioned WoD Garrison (aka housing in mmo's) was good, you lost me.
Yes on paper it looked good. I remember my first mmo back in 2001 (Daoc) had an amazing housing system.
But WoW's WoD housing was bad on so many levels. You should not be able to do so much in a separate place like.
Last thing we need is a housing system like WoD that makes the open world more dead because ppl sit in their homes all day. I find my own way out. Unsubbed.
Im so glad i quit the game.
uhhh yea dude we used to get zone wide pvp all the time. Layering and whiney retail andys crying about open world pvp when they chose to be on a pvp server is why it doesnt happen anymore. 95% of SOD isnt new content like was promised. This vid is pure dev bootlicking lol They dont deserve *shit* they lied to us about what this is from the get go. I mean dude, they just released a pirate themed warfront for retail, and this is the best theyve been able to come up with for SOD????
Trend treadmill… keep riding the hypes. Consumers have a short attention span and blizz knows this and it is how they stay relevant. I don’t blame them, I blame the community.
I enjoy all aspects of WoW classic to retail but I'm probably going hold off on SoD after all it's only temporary or (Seasonal) I'm hoping for Classic+ realms at this point, not more temp or seasonal realms. It's just lot work for something so time consuming that will be toss at some point.
Come on Classic+ realms..
Actually impressive how this has become one of the worst UA-cam channels, instead of educational content. Catering to the worst people this community has to offer.
I love cata and cata is a real game with real raids. Sod is a beta for us to play. I love both but I’m ready for Cata. I’m getting alittle tired of sod tbh
Season 1 had about 5-6 weeks of content. Season 2 had 2-3 weeks of content and is an unbalanced mess.
sure is. cant do anything on rogue other than run muti... shit has been so boring. what else is there to do? lol making alts is dumb af
Well thats you. Then its me who have several alts leveling horde now and enjoying my time with friend and having a great time. @@DrLongJohnSilver
@@heylegd7098it was more fun when shamans where absolute trash? It wasn't more balanced. It just feels that way because you find yourself on the other side.
@@heylegd7098 Yea balance was a hunter using eyes of the beast and being able to hide and kill most classes without even shooting or swinging them selfs 😂
and balance wasn't fixing eyes of the beast, it was to nerf all pets and hunter runes.@@Kacino777
I like that they don't add too much allows me to have a life while juggling all its responsibilities and wanting to play wow.
They should have made new areas to level in but in the classic style that's what I wanted from classic plus
I knew p1 was the best SoD was going to get.
Fresh server launches are the best part of every part of wow but I like that sod is still brand new and ever changing unlike any other version of classic
Phase 1 was fun and leveling to 40 was cool. But that's enough for me. It's just not what we wanted and the hype just isn't there for me now.
Yep. I cancelled yesterday. They are taking wayyyyyy too long in between phases and I’m not going to sit around and pay while they work on the next phase.
@@nacujo even when they drop phase 3, they'll wait for half the player base to hit 50 and then activate an XP boost just to assure you they don't respect the time you put in. It's starting to remind me that's it's still the same ol' Blizzard.
I'm not ready to say that yet tbh. One would think level 60 would be where they'd be able to go all out and add in not only new raids but new dungeons, battlegrounds, work on unfinished zones like Hyjal, etc.
Haha crazy to know I was the guy who started that whole thread on Twitter. So many people mad at me
not playing SOD, i just want a true classic + like what runescape did
I can’t be the only one who makes sure I have coffee in hand before I start these videos 😅
Paladins need massive help. Just compare & contrast with Shaman. I had a 60%+ win rate in WSG as alliance in p1. I just finished my exalted grind and my win rate tanked to 39%. Ive lost 12 of my last 14 games and it just comes down to how many priests and shaman they have.
Im so sick of this caster meta.
Warriors need massive help. Just compare and contrast with shaman...
Rogues need massive help. Just compare and contrast with shamans..
Ranged hunters need massive help. Just compare and contrast with Shaman..
Ferals need massive help. Just compare and contrast with Shaman..
Shams are busted this phase. Blizz devs are busy tryna stick gum in the holes of other boats, they cba.
Another rested xp. its like the borg or the forsaken, it just keeps spreading to every wow classic creator. Props to Kargoz I guess. He bypassed the rules of WoW on monetizing add ons, and got 100s of creators to shill it.
#1 Leveling guide out there, helps player, helps creators. Non stup updates, bug fixes and technical advances on it constantly as well.
He made a product and profited. aka hes a fucking beast.
I’m quitting SOD to go to cata. SOD content is so lack luster.
crazy how Skyy stopped engaging with video comments
really feels like SoD is done
Im so sorry buddy lance has been so busy with work lately its really taking over everything. I promise we are trying outr hardest 1k comments a video is alot hahahah
Man...how much does blizzard pay you? 😂
All I want is that when they say they are doing something about bots they actually doing something about the bots.
This is week 3 of reporting the massive amount of bots in Dustwallow marsh and they are still walking around.
3 weeks is waaaaaay to long and letting them walk around so long is so inefective.
You need to worry less about bots in a game and worry more on knowing the difference in “too” and “to”
@@YT-sp3ud II can only imagine how sad ur life must be correcting people's grammar on UA-cam when it isn't their native language.
Great career, no kids, hot wife, and a full head of hair!
Loving life actually!
It’s your not ur ;)
Cata must have a massive fan base. When it first came out that was the reason I quit wow because I had no interest. I must have missed out.
Happy to make you laugh! Having a blast in SOD and the lulls in content!
I'm interested in knowing what the Developers think about the number of times Rogues in Raid click Redirect & how they could make it usable.
(I was thinking maybe it could be a passive where up to 15s after a mob dies with combo points on it they get transferred over to your next target.)
It’s so crap I didn’t even bother to put it on my action bar
Sad, I'm honestly on my last leg for playing wow after nearly 20 years. I started in Oct 6th 2004, my 10th birthday. I know what Cata is.. I played it on release.. It was OKAY.. at best.. Blizzard pulling Devs from the SoD team to help with Cata... I'd like to say they know what they are doing but we don't trust them, with reason.. I really hope SoD has some life left in it. I really am enjoying playing SoD; look forward to logging on each day after work. I won't be playing Cata. SoD is the only thing left for me. I hope there is more to this!
imo, cata had the best raids, and the best state of PvP besides MoP. idk i had a very wrong way to experience cata, before the pre patch for cata, having the dungeon finder added in the last patch for WoTLK already gave me a bad taste, then having the map change made me so mad. i gave up on cata except for PvP. Everyone i've talked to said the cata raid's were better than wrath raids. less repetitive, etc. I'm excited to give cata another shot. I don't agree with taking devs from different teams and shifting focus to cata.
Cata was just good for pvp and 1st raid tier, other than that... it's a dumpster fire.
SoD was an opportunity to go into classic+ and make something amazing... but again... missed the mark... let's face it the original wow devs who made the amazing first 3 trilogy are long gone and I thank them for the greatest game I've ever played but it may be time to move on. 2005 player here btw.
Oh u were one of them 10yr Olds! 😂😂😂😂
@@GokuIRL i've been a player since 2006, I personally think cata was a lot better than people are giving it credit for. The in game cinematics, better quests, the talents that got "removed" are actually now just passives in your spellbook as you level up, The PVP was great, the Raid's were Great, the difficulty in those raid's were great. I'm personally excited to give it the chance it deserves.
@@zc644 ?? i been playin since 2006 bub. idk what age has to do with my comment? Lol i said i had the wrong view on Cata and i'm excited to give it the proper chance it deserves. What's wrong with that?
I pray that the hardcore PVPers like me get gear sets that are BIS so that we don’t have to raid.
no1 talks about this. just mytic shit like pve is part of game not whole game these people got some stuff wrong
@@josipmarasovic2436 exactly, and I also feel like add a couple sets (maybe a blue set and epic set) that’s all PvP stats would be really simple to make…
Need rated battlegrounds with raid equivalent gear.
Mark my words, remember this comment... cata with changes is going to be really good.
I hope it is
I dont play retail, I dont play Sod anymore, I wont be playing Cata. I'm just waiting for phase 3 tbh
Casual
Might as well quit til phase 5 tbh
Make no mistake, SoD has the best WoW dev team, and its the best team WoW has had in over a decade
Yes this is true
Good vid cheers
Something tells me that WoW will get a huge overhaul after the Worldsoul saga, splitting the community in "Classic Retailers" and "New Retailers"
That being said, SoD is the boat in development to take aboard the quitters if things go south.
Cata is retail, they changed talents - they changed graphics, they changed the game. It ends after WotlK.
They barely changed talents. MoP is the big talent shift. youre just a baby parroting other complaints that are just factually incorrect.
@@alexcrow332 you will see how fast the let down will be at cata classic. the only thing we have from it? developers of SoD are talking their ressources to it and having less time for SoD. im not parroting anything. Bringing everything as „classic“ will just cut this community more and more.
Change my mind. SOD is another Ion Hazzikostas psyop to try and save all his other failed announcements (CATA) that have MT's and retail WoW. I am convinced he gets kickbacks from MT's at this point. The SOD team PURPOSELY sabotaged pvp balance doubling down on the most irritating things to fight. Example? TWO grounding totems when casters already avoided Alliance for that reason. Insane dot dmg from shadowpriests when they already have a blanket silence and nukes they should be balanced around. More pets, increasing attack speed even more next phase in a pushback game that no one could possibly think is a good idea if they played the game. Also you have solo queue on Horde at 20 minutes when you can queue with another character on an alt account and get 2 min queues? SOD is being purposely destroyed so that the unethical influencers can hype and sell Cata for MT's. Expect a hard push from these sellouts soon. Simply unsub. Warcraft will NEVER be good with Ion at the helm, he hates the classic community and only used it to try to save his repeated failures. He's the single worst thing to ever happen to WoW.
I hope heroic mode will be on phase 4, with an update of low level dungeon, for small guild who cant raid for some reason or just a lonely player without guild, that's can be a great activity.
Ion Hazzikostas simply wanted SOD to fall on it's face due to lacking MT's and character boosts that he gets kick backs on. It didn't. A small team outdid him in phase 1. The floor was pulled out in phase 2 and you won't convince me that things like a second grounding totem and bizarre solo queue matchmaking weren't done to push us towards the soon to be shilled Cataclysm. Every influencer you see do a quick 180 pivot to Cataclysm should be called out as the unethical shills they are. They don't care about you at all, didn't care about SOD and only care about money and their OTK duel tournament where they put hundreds of hours into classes they know are overtuned and refuse to give real feedback or criticism on.
WoW has always been one of those games that you take breaks from and come back on a patch.
Look at the 10.2.6 controversy. People were excited to have more to do in Retail again.
So players will come back when new content is added. Simple!
@TheComebackKids - Hello man, I'm typing here for a problem noone talks about, but we need to have discussion. There are a lot of people getting banned for no reason or not using any hacks including me in the redit section. It seems when you done a lot of dungeon farming doesn't matter which dungeon you can get falsely banned for Offense: Exploitative Activity: Unauthorized Cheat Programs (Hacks). This should be addreseed as it seems innocent people getting banned and the system for banning bots currently is working bad. Please check this comment and give attention as you are a big streamer! Thank you in advance
As I predicted in one of your previous videos. They completely killed premades by catering to the 'solo' player who instead of playing solo complains there's no content. STV while kinda ok killed the AB grind, I saw one of the biggest pvp communities completely die from phase 1 to 2.
I have been, (and sorta still am) holding out hope for what I think would be cool for a "SoD/Classic+" server.. Some of the old dungeons that were to be implemented but weren't for whatever reason. My friend group threw around ideas of Grim Batol, original version of Black Morass, and of course Karazhan Crypts! (fingers crossed)
it's an extremely tall glass to order I know, but the heart wants what the heart wants
I don’t pay a subscription to “go take time off to play another game”. Season of Development is the perfect money grabbing scheme to continue taking advantage of Blizz fan boys. 🤑
Lot of current content could be extended if they tuned runes that viewed as useless to breathe new life into classes and playstyles. There will always BiS but if the other options available for your class are at least a little comparable it'll encourage people to not get forced to use the same runes. This goes for every class, they all have anywhere from 6-10 runes that are, comparably, almost useless. Fixing that issue would be easy, and go a long way in keeping things interesting.
Bro ain't nobody playing cata, especially after the first month lmao. I been respectful about it but now that it's cutting into my SOD developers... Cmonnnn let's be real lol
While I'm fine with them testing things and experimenting, Aggrend and the devs need to be aware their decisions and choices affect the enjoyment of many, many players. For example, letting shamans be numerically OP for so long results in other "subpar" classes getting ignored and disinvited from endgame content. This has an adverse effect on players' enjoyment and makes them not want to log in. Testing is fine, but when results are clear they need to act fast. Balance matters.
Stop being jealous or crying, just roll a shaman
At some point from 0-60 some classes will be unbalanced, you need to understand they can't balance them perfectly for each level. Enh was useless in P1 but are really strong at 40 because they get some very important abilities, next phase will be different. Some classes are simply better twinks
Its got people leaving my guild to go play horde... I really wished they would have built it on a non vanilla client so we could get dwarf shamans and tauren pallys at a minimum.
@@Scotty86doo That's really stupid in my opinion, P3 is almost here and who is to say that paladins wont be stronger than shamans, they gonna reroll and do all that work to play twink for a week
@@Bubajumba its not just a flavor of the month opinion some people quit to go play horde phase 1 just because they liked shamans, blizzard fixed that imbalance in TBC im just wishing they would have gave us the option, they said they couldn't because it would break the Hardcore Classic Servers.
More scrapped raids, more scrapped dungeons. Comon Blizz
After Naxx we need HYJAL raid, AZSHARA FURBOLG raid, ULDUM raid, maybe a WINTERSPRING SNOW THEMED raid, GILNEAS raid, A BRD raid behind Beal'Gar. ASHENVALE crescent groove and maybe a UN'GORO DINOSAUR raid etc. etc.
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I would pay extra$ per month on my subscription if they wanted to continue sod/classic plus
SoD had potential to be amazing ... but let's face it the original wow devs are long gone and the current devs worked hard but just missed the mark.
To many classes doing way to much damage in pvp in sod.. the game balance is non-existent
When was classic ever balanced?
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ill prolly get ignored again couse i leave "unconvinient comments" but as you always portraid yourself as "the bridge between players and developers" you seems to always avoid THE BIGGEST PROBLEM in SOD = BOTS . You never mention them and you even use DELUSIONAL statements as "the world feels FULL AND ALIVE " . Try to speak with some of the "players" in this "Full and alive world" 90 % are bots , the questing experience is ABSURD couse of bots , the economy is already broken and it will get only worse couse of BOTS.People are stuck in dungeons couse the open world questing is unplayable and you level x10 speed in dungeons .
I think 60 phase is going to blow us away.. they should be okay with this downtime... 60 phase could be amazing. good build up.
Could be copium could be true. Only time will tell
Current Data shows there are ~200,000 active characters on SoD, assuming a conservative 3 characters per player and 1 account per player(66,666 accounts total), and 12 dollars USD per account we can calculate an estimated income of $799,992 PER MONTH. If they can't get rid of bots, hire GMs, and balance a live service game for 10 million dollars~ a year they aren't worth giving your money to. I enjoyed SoD but I am done being milked. Unsubbed from WoW for the first time in years. Free at last.
SoD sucks. It has "press this to become a role" buttons, much like retail spells, homogenization everywhere, very little new content, focusing on end game instead of the journey etc. They should just reboot Classic+TBC+WoTLK client, with possibility to change the current era with Chromie. Same character, that could be ported between worlds, with cap of 60, 70 and 80. That could effectively have 3 lives, in each era at the same time. Feeling tbc? Go to Chromie and play some Karazhan. Want to fight Lich King? Ask her for your toon to become WoTLK. Having plenty of time and complaining having nothing to do? You have 3 worlds, 3 sets of dungeons, PvP Metas, raids that you could play at the same time. Add dual spec and no other changes and we have a permanent game that we can play until we pass away.
ya im bored af with SoD. farming is so bad with bots and respawn rates. even alts tho its a boring grind trying to get your pvp bis gear like for WSG. And i think Raid logs are so Bot like everyone in LFG is saying you need 6/6 raid log to join hte raid group like kinda of a shit META and then people just play whats the most OP class at that moment so RAID LOGS NEED TO GO!!!! just like GDKP was ousted.
Blizzard fucks up again 😂 color me suprised
This is the double edged sword that is Seasonal/level bracketed content. Heroic dungeons don't exist for level 30, 40, or 50 in any version of the game. It's strictly a max level content addition. Expecting a small team of Devs to add a new Heroic system for every bracket of levels in a seasonal realm isn't feasible, especially if they aren't going to have bracketed level phases after SoD. I absolutely hate that my guild is doing nothing but raid logging. But we can't expect the Dev team to release max level content for each level bracket that lasts 8-10 weeks.
Cata will be bigger than everyone realizes. MOST of the complaints for Cata are things that have nothing to do with it. People still blame Cata for the removal of talent trees, the ruining of class identity (every class having every ability), and trivializing the leveling experience. All of that happened in MoP, not Cata. Normal and Heroic Dungeons - Normal and Heroic 10 and 25 man raids - Multiple Raids in a phase - RBG's - More BG's - PvP gear earned from doing PvP - Rep grind gear/mounts - Transmog to keep old content relatable - faster and more streamlined leveling - better class balancing with better albitites. In fact, a large majority of the runes in SoD (and datamined future runes) are from Cata or just before. Cata literally has everything we are asking for in SoD...but does it better.
"I liked the housing system in WOD*
whoa whoa whoa... Back up... Hold on a Minute!
Lets not add this system... noooo
Now a housing system like they have in New world sure.. But 100% cosmetic only and IT CAN NOT NOT NOT make people ignore the cities. at most it can have a hearthstone place in it. but no AH no Venders.
"A team less than 10", but why? Blizzard makes so much money that they CAN afford more devs... so, why not? I don't want to hear that excuse anymore. If they need more people, then HIRE MORE DEVS!
Honestly, I think the most underrated comment you've made in this vid was that it's OKAY to play a different game while waiting for the next patch. I have four 40 alts, three are near BiS, and actively working on WSG rep for exalted (1/4 for exalted) and the game has slowed down for me. Varlamore just came out on OSRS and I've been having a blast trying that out. It's been nice to not worry about progression and just relax on wow and enjoy another game!
At this point I believe its ridiculous to tell the devs you want to "keep the classic feel." There is 0 classic feel about SoD at the moment. Literally 0. Leveling is fast, there are closets for summoning, raiding, vast amount of nonclassic abilities etc..
I do believe it is to the point where they need to take the next step in really developing the idea of classic plus and turning SoD into it at 60. I believe you could implement even more ease of life updates, up to the point of wotlk-ish era, but no further. Wotlk still has its own "classic" feel, and does not go overboard on the modernization that comes from Cata and beyond (talent changes/the amplifcation of multipliers/entire land changes/fucking attonement healing bullshit etc etc).
Some ex:
1. Shamans for alliance, pallies for horde.
2. A group finder (NOT RDF)
3. Decrease the time it takes to pick up quest items/ drop rates
So create an environment that has new raids (while keeping the old), new dungeons (introducing heroic mode). I love the idea which you highlighted in this video of adding more interesting effects and bonuses to gear besides "wow this bis dagger gives 10 more intellect than the bis dagger at 40" kind of thing.
PLEASE introduce organized pvp, and start pvp balancing (rated bgs, new bgs, arenas, 1v1 battles and events..etc etc.) A huge pvp change would be fixing resist chance/ creating hit cap etc etc... The whole running around and getting one shot by everything in STV is not fun.
Lol, I find it funny how blizzard is probably down the line going to implement micro-transactions in SoD. I think they'll offer a lvl 40 boost in p3 of SoD for like 20 bucks or something and that class will have all their runes available. Just like Classic was with TBC and offering a lvl 58 boost plus free flying mount and now classic "WoW Tokens". Stop thinking that SoD is going to be different. Sure it might feel that way with new raids and the rune system but essentially the same thing regurgitated. SoD is an experiment alright, into figuring out how to extract more money for the same thing. Already Cata classic is 80 bucks when most players bought retail cata for 80 bucks a few years ago. Buying the same game and expansions multiple times for same content is another form of the "bait and switch". Wow players are so naive.
When they allowed gold sellers and buyers for the entirety of phase 1 and then decided to remedy that by NOT BANNING BOTTERS but the buyers, many of whom are trying to keep up with the economy that Blizzard created not cheat it, that was a huge red flag for me. But I kept on playing. But I recently noticed that, while developers seem to listen and have given lots of fun to Classic WoW, it has become painstakingly obvious that this is still the same corporation that sold us Diablo 4.
It's less and less about fun and "discovery", and more and more about keeping the player logged in.. I've enjoyed your content but SoD has proven to be just another corporate experiment, not a fun experiment imo.
Good luck in the future!
I love sod so much and more things to do in the world with my friends after raid would be cool but I just hangout and pvp and fish and we all run around as a pack of goofs
based Aggrend:
"This isn't madness.. THIS. IS. SOD!!"
*kicks redditors down the hole*
But being serious id love to see more way more cosmetics that come from long quest chains or class specific stuff.. Like the sunshades shoulda been some kind of long quest reward
This being an experiment has always been true - if anything this is less Classic+ beta and more WoW2 Beta if its ANY kind of beta - and thats classic as a whole. Spend 10 years figuring out what systems / content style /exp rates people like and want and then have chromie come in after the 3 part saga and point out she messed up the time line and we need to do a hard reset back to WC1 and include more than just Orcs and humans as playable races. (im on Copium i know)
Afterthought - It could also be him indirectly throwing the higher ups under the bus knowing we're going to be sad that its not C+ and force them to invest into a C+ server. (MORE COPIUM *Breathes deeply*)
I agree with @UrbanLovesDaLakersbaby.. I LOVE the comeback kids videos, but you are adverticing and suggesting abit too much from retail and it's not that im scared to changes brother, im just scared of RETAIL.
Ive got 2 hot takes that may be unpopular, but its how i feel. But im gonna say it. Bloodmoon is the laziest pile of crap Blizz has ever put in the game. Literally there is no objective just a chaotic free for all. it was fun at first but grew old really quick. having no objective kinda ruins the experience for me. Hot take 2. Blizz HATES Alchemy. While every professions gets some sort of BiS reward Alchemy gets a weak pot, that share CD with mana and health pots that are stronger. Yes you get a buff, but you also get a Debuff. It feels really bad to be an Alchemist right now
This guy doesnt seem to understand just how little effort they have put into season of discovery. I dont think he has any clue what so ever about how you make content within an engine. He gives Blizzard WAY to much credit...
For P2 they added pretty minor mechanics to bosses, added 1 boss, and moved a couple bosses. Changed the stats on gear (can be done in less that 1 minute per piece of gear), released some gear, and added the PVP even which is a combination of 2 debuffs, 1 currency, 1 vender, a few GYs, and some alters that convert a debuff to currency, and flagging everyone in the zone the same as the arena... And lastly a few runes almost all of which exist elsewhere in wow, and thus they are basically copy/paste and test...
Im sorry but if my employees only produced that much work in 10 weeks they would be fired... and I mean a SINGLE employee, not a team...
People forget that WoW Classic is about being immersed into the world ; The true endgames of wow is PVE but its also interacting with players to develop relationships, farming gold for Consumables and Items and services, and most importantly PvP. If you arent interested in doing all of these things you will find yourself with limited content (Raid logging). If you care about the 4 things i mentioned above, Wow, even in phase 2, has unlimited content.
Additionally, many of the players who complain about "P2 has no content" are people who played p1 and have already accomplished most of the things your main can do. If you just joined SoD and level a fresh character, there is actually a ton of content to delve into. The game will be so full of content by the time level 60 is available for a fresh character.
You don't realize how good you have it, you just like to fantasize about what could be instead of enjoying what's in front of you. If wow isn't giving you the fun, take a break and play something that is giving you more fun.
Cata is an obvious NO. About SoD, horizontal progression is what this game needs. Endless leveling is pointless and leads to nothing but boredom and frustration. Once max level, we should only focus on getting gear throught dungeons, rep and quests, same for new abilities with runes (makes the game fun and visiting areas relevant). Fill unfinished places and plotlines. Also an alternative story, free of spacegoats and void nonsense would be nice (I want proper shadow stuff). Where are our necromancers ? Why the forsakens are still in the horde ? Imagine playing a third undead faction, wouldn't be awesome ? Horde can have their gobelins as 4th races, for what I care. Time for no-change is over, we need ambitious and relevant additions, not idiotic toys/mounts collection. Also keep the game gloomy please, enough of funny/cute jokes (wouldn't mind some, not all the way), just set the ambiance and tell a story.
SoD had 100s of thousands of players. Why blizz only put 10 devs on it is beyond me and is NO excuse for lack of content. We pay $15 a month. If you only have 100k ppl that’s 1.5 millon dollars…. So I mean 15 guys at a 100k that’s everyone’s year salary in 1 month.. we pay a monthly fee to play this game on top of in game purchases!!! Enough is enough guys this company makes insane money and they don’t even take us to dinner before they fk us man. I’m fed up and sick of the excuses.
Im finally starting to lose interest in Phase 2, I grinded up some alts and got my main going thru Gnomer but I'm starting to lose motivation to play, I got geared and got my Irradiated set but I feel punished for using it when Electrocutioner 1 shots me and kills my Boon, World Buffs ruin the game for me and shouldn't fall off when you die, makes me toxic and mad at healers or people failing mechanics gets me killed and I lose my buffs. They should just last thru death... I like to use parses to see how I'm performing and with world buffs its too easy to be a purple/blue parser and then lose a world buff and drop down to green/grey parser. I'm not trying to parse scum but I like to at least get a Blue Parse. The General lacking of Quality of Life in SoD is getting painful (mailing yourself taking 1 hour!), realistically I would have preferred if they build the game on Wrath Styled Servers, having access to Shamans and Pally on both factions would have been great too. Gathering Professions need a performance Consume or something to make them worth bringing. Guess I just raid log until im forced to PuG and then quit wow forever or go check out turtlewow
I was litterally making a joke how Blizzard/Bobby was looking at the subs for SoD going "Wow! This is amazing guys. I cant believe you did this with such small team! So this is what the players really want eh? Okay Okay I hear you but what could you do if we just halfed your team? Think you could string 'em along for a little bit more?"
30 min AB and WSG queues on Living Flame EU is so, so horrible. I love the new PvP content but the easy rep gain is destroying regular BGs. Why did they make it so you can get exalted from STV alone?
I’ve been worrying about SoD since week 2 of phase 2. There’s nothing to do.. we pay $15 a month with insane amount of in game purchases through different versions of the game. We needed at least 1 new dungeon with a heroic mode on a daily lockout. Plus new quests and more in game rewards that you can get solo. Just very very little content in phase 2. In phase 1 I actually got my pre raid bis through several diff dungeons. Phase 2 we have sm and ulda and rfd but I only ran ulda and rfd 1 time at 40. I tanked the raid 20 min after hitting 40. No reason to do those dungeons really. No cool new quest lines. Idk.. I’ve been logging on and just like ok what do I even do..? Sucks becuase ohsse 1 was so fun idk what happened.
You said SoD is not classic and not retail, seems more like wow's greatest hits, which is very well said. Idk why no1 is talking about maybe the devs implementing ARENAs in sod. Its the greatest hit of wow and maybe it will ruin the vanilla feel but, imo p2 doesnt feel anything like classic/vanilla. It'll be insane if they like cap the ranking at 60 on r10 and maybe implenet arena points to lvl to r14, as it seems it'll be dull just staking honor points in a liniar pvp ranking system that they implemented. Let me hear your thoughts about it, please! Cheers!
Well, it looks like the honeymoon phase is over. What an absolute shame, blizzard is still the same old same old. I guess at the end of the day, imma go right straight back to private servers. The fact that P3 is gonna have less devs focusing it tells me that P3 is gonna be a copy from P2. We get new runes, 10 more levels, and a new raid. A new pvp event that could probably be a copy of one of the existing systems in BGs. That also means that aggrend calling this an “experiment” is indicative that he knows it’s already over and is prepared to accept that they’re gonna lose players in P3. Why does blizzard never seem to know what to do once they get a good thing going? I’m incredibly disappointed in them, but I’m also the idiot that subbed back again thinking SoD would be different so I can’t do anything now but wipe the clown paint off my face.