The GOLF SWING doesn't have to be complicated - Golf Test Dummy

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  • @mikecaruk1047
    @mikecaruk1047 Місяць тому +2

    You’ve done a great job helping us regulars move on from the BS of how to swing a club. I’ve tried a bunch could never do a proper weight shift like I was instructed to do, always trying to gain club speed. After watching your videos I’m just swinging for good contact. I like the Right Side Swing as a template. Good job, thanks much appreciated.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +1

      Thanks, Mike. I try to do the same thing, swing for a center strike.

  • @TopTenSite
    @TopTenSite Місяць тому +1

    Thanks

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +1

      Many thanks to you! So glad you enjoyed it.

  • @badbob961
    @badbob961 7 днів тому

    I have enjoyed your videos, from the JVGA to Edblad and more. I have tried many along the way trying to find something that works for me. Some do, some don't. It seems to me that after all is said and done you have come back to traditional instruction with GolfTec. Nothing wrong with that, it's just my perception. I'll keep watching as long as you keep posting. You done good. Thank you.

  • @timothypollock8358
    @timothypollock8358 Місяць тому +2

    I'm glad that your in such a simple place and "enjoying your golf". If everything's as simple as you are saying throughout the bag and your arsenal of swing thoughts has dwindled to almost nil then your are in an enviable place and that's great. From my point of view, it looks as though you are eliinating variables in the transition zone which is very reliable way to get a good consistent set of the club which, as I have concluded, is incredibly pivotal to a good delivery of tthe clubhead and good compresion. A lot of people don't realize that they have a lot of variance in their transitions which leads to imprecise clubhead delivery, especially as the clubs get longer and the swings somewhat harder. Cheers.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +1

      It sounds stupid, but this funny thought pops in my head from an old infomercial. Set it and forget it, haha. Set the club, or rather, cock it into position, and then leave it there, while you swing through.

    • @timothypollock8358
      @timothypollock8358 Місяць тому +1

      @@GolfTestDummy Sounds about right to me. It's really just being aware of those little movements we can tend to make at the top of the swing, or even more reliable is reducing those same movements. And those movements can be in your arms, hands, knees, shoulders, feet, etc.. But every one of those last moment movements, causes a need to slightly adjust the final set before the clubhead changes direction. or the clubhead delivery is negatively impacted. This is because an inaccurate set (for that set of movements) causes your body to not know how to get the club back to the ball with constant clubhead acceleration and clubhead squaring.
      Find the ideal set for that combination of movements and your swing willl feel like "butter" with power. Easiest but with slightly to moderately reduced power is to just start reducing last moment movements (except for the setting motion itself) well before the clubhead changes direction. This reduces variables and promotes consistency of clubhead delivery. Maximum power though happens with a more dynamic club setting response to last moment movement(s) because those movements help build up torque in the body/clubshaft relationship. This operates by narrowing the arc and then expanding it rapidly in a very short time which cause a whip cracking effect. However cracking a whip doesn't require accuracy of where the tip passes but in the golf swing, the clubhead must pass through a precise arc to the ball (depending on the combintation of movements affecting the arc dimension), so the set MUST put the clubhead PRECISELY behind the widening arc at the exact moment that the downswing widening of the clubhead arc begins. This is the key to succeeding for any combination of swing components at any tempo of swing. As long as you can feel the right set, you can change direction fast and hard and still coordinate the proper arc of the clubhead to the ball much more easily because your body will intuitively feel the correct release in conjuction with the releasing arms and hands. However the faster and harder you change direction (with the related last moment movements), the more precise the timing and accuracy of the setting motion has to be. This I think is one of the greatest sources of confusion in the golf swing generally. Let your lead arm ride up a little farther at the top and your set must change, have a little change in foot pressure distribution at the top, same thing, etc., etc.. In this sense, the golf swing is not at all monolithic as most golfers might expect.
      The good news here though, for golfers that "want it all" is that the correct set changes at the top happen in predictable patterns and exactly correspond to those last moment movements and the tempo that they happen at. To wit, they can be learned quite effectively by the willing student without too much effort, once they understand the patterns. For example. last minute horizontally oriented foot pressure changes naturally orient torque development more around the body. In isolation, these cause the set need to happen with the clubhead moving in a wider arc behind the body. However, if the lead arm shoulder joint is relaxed and the lead arm naturally rides higher with the effects of these foot pressure changes, then the set must happen more across the line and around the body simultaneously so that the set maintains the correct relationship (clubhead behind torque development) with both the body and the lifted lead arm (think of a Couples type motion, for example). So these patterns make a simple sense and can be understood. Shawn Clement is an amazing example of this last described pattern. He turns his hips very level and lifts his lead arm very high so when he swings reasonably hard, his set of the club happens in response to late horizontally rotational foot pressure changes. His vertically lifted lead arm along with the late rotational forces causes him to need a set (acros the line and around) that permits him to rotate his hips hard (and fairly flatly) while throwing the clubhead downward and quickly across and around his body. It's very effective but is all made possible by the correct set reponse to his motion and the tempo of it. The faster and harder that he swings, the more precisely the setting motion must be done, but he has pretty much mastered it and that is the part of what he is doing that he really doesn't teach and maybe understand (?). Someone like Moe for example has greatly simplified the set pattern by his stance, grip, one plane approach, foot motion ( feet flat ) etc. so that he essentially made the swing about as monolithic as it possibly can be. For less than maximum power shots, his set must have felt very machine-like with very little that could go wrong. Cheers.

  • @TopTenSite
    @TopTenSite Місяць тому +1

    Great finale. Hopefully you'll take after Frank Sinatra and make a bunch of comebacks. I've been watching golf test dummy forever and have not always liked what I saw. But credit where it's due, you stuck with it and stayed honest. And you covered just about everything. I love Marcus Edblad, Jim Venetos and Mañuel de la Torre. If you were an academic you would definitely have earned a PhD - Dr Golf Swing Dummy 😅 because you have added to the body of knowledge about the golf swing. As an English professor (in England) your accent and some of your phraseology drives me crazy - but nonetheless, through the years, I have looked forward to every new video on your channel. You're what we would call here in London "a rough diamond" 😊

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      Haha, this gave me a huge smile and I thank you very much. I like the Dr. GTD idea....
      I hope to get on course in the future and share some thoughts and scenarios. Thanks for the support!

  • @jimmcewen9351
    @jimmcewen9351 Місяць тому +2

    When you started your channel there were a number of different swing methods just introduced for you to experiment with, it was a fun time with your channel. It would be good for you to do a couple videos taking us through the process of where your swing is now and what got you there

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      Thanks, Jim. I feel like I did that starting about a year ago. Toward the end of last year I started explaining it, and now, this is where I'm at.

  • @jariallen653
    @jariallen653 Місяць тому +1

    Good to hear from you again, I enjoyed the message. Play your own game learn your fundamentals.

  • @ranmangolf
    @ranmangolf 29 днів тому

    Thanks for all of your videos. I plan to revisit these again so I appreciate you keeping them up.

  • @kevinhelton734
    @kevinhelton734 Місяць тому +1

    Well said, Chad. I look at it like this and i think it matches up to what you're saying. The 3 foot section of the swing where the ball sits, which I refer to as the through swing is what matters. Once you figure out how you can achieve a square face and solid proper contact, there really isn't that much else to it. I think the way you warm up is perfect. In fact its probably the order folks should learn to swing the club. Essentially, the golf swing is just an extended version of the through swing area. Doesn't matter much if it's a quarter swing, half 3/4, or full. Thus it goes farther the more extended the swing. Contact in the impact area is what counts. As long as you can do it and not hurt yourself it doesn't really matter how it looks. Personally I have enjoyed your videos and following your journey. It's had a different feelnfrom other channels that i find refreshing. Thanks for letting ride along, so to speak. And you're right speed is a trap. Evertone wants it but it's worthless without proper contact/impact. Anyway, have a great one and keep hitting them straight.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +1

      Much appreciated, Kevin. It's pretty ironic that the evolution of golf as seen in an individual goes from really simple, to twisting and complex, and if you're lucky, finally back to simple.

    • @kevinhelton734
      @kevinhelton734 Місяць тому +1

      @GolfTestDummy agreed. I find myself a bit torn about that fact. Given the right approach, learning to swing the club efficiently and accurately is pretty simple. Pat of me says, "why change it? Keep it simple!" But at the same time I don't know if you can have the same level of appreciation for it's simplicity without that journey away from it. But such is the human condition

  • @leighredding
    @leighredding Місяць тому +1

    Hi Chad, I’ve been watching your series on the various swing techniques over the past week. The comments you make here really resonate with me. Breaking it down into basic fundamentals and so forth. I’m a new golfer having only started about 3 months ago. I’m at a point where I’ve found I’m struggling to get consistency. Is there a particular swing method you’d recommend for a new starter to focus on?

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      That's always a tough question because golfers don't exist in vacuums, and the medium that you put them in yields different results for everybody. In my personal experience,however, single plane is pretty great for consistency when executed correctly.

  • @glenj.taylor2938
    @glenj.taylor2938 Місяць тому

    Although I haven't watched energy one of your videos (yet) I have been an enthusiastic fan of the GTD community.
    I think that's what sets your channel into my soul is that you bring like minded people together in this thing we call life.
    I look forward to anything you share with us in the future and genuinely thank you for everything so far.
    Your videos have helped me get through the worst chapter of my life and hopefully I'll be onto the next one sooner than later.
    I would also love to see you get onto the course with the Bob Does Sports guys, Grant Horvat, the Bryan Bros (they are near you in the Carolinas).

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому

      Glen, I totally appreciate your support, so thank you. I had hoped for exactly what you mentioned about community. Seems like some of us found it, so that's pretty fulfilling.

  • @nytrocircus
    @nytrocircus Місяць тому +1

    I've played golf my entire life but only a few times a year and never took a lesson. A couple years ago I started trying to figure out the golf swing for real and was looking for a system like we use in professional ski instruction. The ATS is a simple, effective way to progress students from beginner on up to expert. There isn't really anything like this in golf. I agree that the only true fundamental is squaring the club face at impact. However there are some other things I consider essential: do the same swing every time/don't reinvent the wheel mid round, learn how to confidently build your swing back up from square one after it leaves the chat somewhere on hole 12, the 'Hogan' elbow, do not shift your weight dramatically or move your head much, and control your tempo/don't over swing.
    So as a ski pro and an improving golfer, I approve of your conclusions and appreciate your delivery method.
    It's been fun reviewing your videos and watching your journey, thanks!

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +1

      Pretty great advice, and the parallel to ski instruction is spot on. Golf instruction was supposed to be universal under the PGA, but its just not.

  • @lawrencegalminas820
    @lawrencegalminas820 Місяць тому +1

    I would love to see a video of lofts and yardages as well as what you usually shoot on course. Throw a WITB as well. YT is full of videos of people crushing the ball and shooting low. I think people need to see what a recreational golfer can achieve with just a little bit of effort and that distance is not the deciding factor to shoot a good round of golf. With the big holiday coming up an updated review on the R10 would be cool as well. Do you find you need to adjust elevation to get yardages to match course yardage? As you should be able to tell your viewers want to see this channel continue and are happy to suggest topics we would like to see you cover. I'm quite happy with where the channel has gone. I've spent the last 2 years with a garmin trying every swing method I could find. I have come to the same conclusion as you, only I can't stop trying to hit the ball a million yards, but I'm working on it. I wasted 2 years searching for a holy grail and not playing golf because I was always "working on my swing."
    My goal for the upcoming year is to enjoy the golf course much more, even if that means playing front tees. Thanks for the golf reality videos, I will continue to watch all you put out.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +1

      I really appreciate all the kind words and enthusiasm, as well as the suggestions. I'm sure I'll do a WITB, but for now, it's the same as my WITB I did earlier this year. I'm hoping to do some things on course coming up also.

    • @lawrencegalminas820
      @lawrencegalminas820 Місяць тому +1

      I meant adding a WITB to the yardages. I never see anyone stating what club brand they actually use for the distance they show. I think the reason your channel will go on is because you are a true recreational golfer. Don't try to compete with other golf channels. Your audience is more like you and you rarely find a channel that shows what real world golf is like. I look forward to your future vids.

  • @Mahasa99
    @Mahasa99 Місяць тому +1

    I wish someone had told me about the golf physics when I started playing 20+ years ago.
    The penny has dropped quite a few times since I started to watch Mr. Edblad’s channel a few years ago.
    Can you make a video about “compression”?
    In my opinion, it’s just good ball striking. The feeling of compression comes from hitting the sweet spot of your iron.
    But there’s a ton of videos out there where it seems to be some kind of magic.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      That's not a bad idea. I have probably spoken about it in past videos, but never really focused on a video devoted to it specifically. I do have one little tip about i can type here. With anything sitting on the turf, it may help some people to think about this; Compression against the clubface can be helped by also compressing it into the ground. Meaning, make your strike with you low point and that descending blow use the ground under and in front of the ball help you to push the ball into the face.

    • @Mahasa99
      @Mahasa99 Місяць тому +1

      @ , but there seems to be people that think you compress the ball between the club and the ground.
      Which is possible, if you top it really hard… 🙂

  • @redghost3170
    @redghost3170 Місяць тому +2

    Hey, I see what you did there. Ferris Buellers Day Off movie. 😂

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      So glad at least a few people got it!

  • @joeysollars9513
    @joeysollars9513 Місяць тому +1

    As a suggestion you could try the Miracle over the top swing. I am curious how it performs. Otherwise it’s been a good ride watching your journeys.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      Thanks, Joey. I don't plan on riding off into the sunset tomorrow, but I may end up doing more on course situational stuff soon.

  • @roadtoscratchgolf3481
    @roadtoscratchgolf3481 Місяць тому +3

    Chad, I agree, once you truly understand the math and science of the golf swing and ball flight laws, you can pretty much work out whatever problems you have. YT and coaches make it seem exceedingly hard to play this game. It is a very easy game to play, but it is exceedingly hard to get good at it. This is why it's the most difficult game to play, not because it's hard to play but because it's very hard to be good at it. To get good, it takes time, money, good coaching, a lot of correct practice, and the requist natual athletic ability, which most of us don't have, and if we did, it's no guarantee that we'll get good at it. We may get better, but maybe not good, as in, low single digits, scratch or better. Keep doing what you're doing. Like the rest of us, you have a family, job and other obligations which all come before golf. Cheers.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      I just don't want to make videos where I repeat the same things over and over.

  • @mygolfquest2734
    @mygolfquest2734 Місяць тому +1

    How about switch it up. Maybe GSPro and join the Simulator tour. Would give you a reason to post each week maybe shoot the tournround rounds. Its what keeps me using my sim setup. You can omly practice so much playing on the tours gave me reason to practice and keep grinding.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +1

      I'd have to upgrade things. I don't run my sim on a PC, and I think things like that are only on PC platform aren't they?

  • @christopherdyer1862
    @christopherdyer1862 Місяць тому +1

    Hi Chad,,I've watched alot of your different swings,I'm currently working on the stack and tilt but I sure like the simplicity of Marcus Edblad. I've tried JV as well as CL. In your opinion which is less complicated. Thanks for what you do

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      Thank you for watching. As far as simplicity, that's tough. All of those swing models are simple relative to contemporary golf. Marcus is hard to beat though.

    • @christopherdyer1862
      @christopherdyer1862 Місяць тому +1

      Thank you for your response. Would you say Stack and tilt is ok for someone not so flexible

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +1

      I had very solid, repeatable contact, with less movement involved, so yes.

    • @christopherdyer1862
      @christopherdyer1862 Місяць тому +1

      @@GolfTestDummy Thank you for your time makes me feel better about that system

  • @homermclaughlin2386
    @homermclaughlin2386 Місяць тому +1

    what about some videos on different putting methods ?

  • @bonscottrocks1728
    @bonscottrocks1728 Місяць тому +1

    Let's freaking go 🏌️

  • @wormburner7237
    @wormburner7237 Місяць тому +1

    I agree and disagree. Keep swinging the way I always been doing did not make things better. BUT, listening to your conclusion about the Marcus Edblad swing is making all the difference. Over exaggerating that natural inside out movement with your arms and hands and let the body just support it is making a huge improvement for me. So thank you for those swing evaluations (I tried them all (almost)) and your conclusions! Next topic - short game please (or have you covered that also….😅).

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      I am so glad to hear it, and yes, and few good short game videos on my channel. Simple stuff.

    • @wormburner7237
      @wormburner7237 Місяць тому +1

      @ I’ll check it out. Simple sounds perfect to me :)

  • @Criscross292
    @Criscross292 Місяць тому +1

    Are you still using the Tommy Armour Irons? Do use their woods or hybrids?
    Thanks

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +3

      I do use the irons still yes, and may upgrade to the 845+. I use Ping G410 hybrids.

  • @HolyGrailOfGolf
    @HolyGrailOfGolf Місяць тому

    Starting with a half swing or half power shot might be the worst idea because the golf club does NOT work the same at half speed as it does at full speed which is why every good golfer avoids that shot as often as possible. Oddly, there's a speed at which the club works properly and anything under that speed requires active manipulation because the physics that are designed into the club aren't working properly. A lazy full swing is much better than attempting to make a half swing and training yourself to actively manipulate the club by making half swings will infect your full swing. At slow speeds the club works more like a putter but at full speed it takes on a completely different physics characteristic. This is part of the magic o the golf club. It is NOT just a stick that we use to push the ball toward the target. It is truly a marvel of engineering when used properly.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому

      That's true, that you won't get the true ball flight dynamics with lesser speeds and shots that aren't "full". But I think in the circumstance I'm imagining, the golfer is trying to work on getting the impact condition worked out. Where the club and ball meet, the path the club is tracking coming in and exiting, the low point being in the right spot. Trying to feel it hitting that groove at the bottom over and over first, with the results being inconsequential for now. Then, once you feel and see the club move through that 3 feet at the bottom, you can expand the swing longer and longer, while still hitting that zone, and then you get up to a full swing, where the results should start being measured and important.

  • @joetroupe5624
    @joetroupe5624 21 день тому

    Too bad you’re quitting on the videos. Enjoyed while it lasted. Going to stop looking for you each day. Good luck!

  • @starks1974
    @starks1974 Місяць тому +2

    Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?...

  • @keplerts
    @keplerts Місяць тому +2

    Seems like the "Testing" phase is gone from your channel and you are sticking to one swing style. To keep the interest and freshness in your channel I think more, or only, videos of you playing golf by your self or with other golf youtubers would be great. I know doing on course stuff is not the easiest to do but I think there would be more viewers and interest. Plus, you could maybe get out on the course more!

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +3

      That's the funny thing. I have been playing a bit more regular, but in the past, a few viewers have asked for more on course. So, I've made a few in the last while, and they are among my least watched videos, lol. Nobody seems to care.

  • @jackhunt9364
    @jackhunt9364 Місяць тому +1

    Sounds like you are winding your channel down, coming to an end.
    If so, just know I have enjoyed watching your program over the past few years. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      It's funny, because I don't intend for that to happen, but the more you know.... the less you need.

    • @jackhunt9364
      @jackhunt9364 Місяць тому +2

      I am glad to know that.

    • @paulwilhite9234
      @paulwilhite9234 Місяць тому +1

      I have just recently found this channel have watch a lot of your videos and you make so much sense to me … I guess I just needed to hear you say it’s ok to be me lol .I have video and video my swing and tried to get into pro positions just yesterday I feel like I kinda found my swing probably looks nothing like Tigers but I feel like I’m getting decent contact just bout everytime … my only swing thought is balance weight head still probably bout 3/4 swing hit a 7 iron bout 150 …. I am sure I don’t have great swing speed but I seem to be hitting it straight with good feeling contact … thanks for giving me permission to be me and not Phil… your videos have really seem to help me so much its crazy… I havnt had a chance to take it to the course yet so we shall see but I feel more confident than ever I’m onto something…Thanks again!!

    • @GolfTestDummy
      @GolfTestDummy  Місяць тому +2

      Thanks so much for the kind words, and it's great to hear you're getting some benefit. Just keep finding the sweet spot.