What's inside a clutch plate? Let's have a look! Isuzu 4bd1t to R380 info too!
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The Isuzu to R380 clutch mod is really interesting. Thanks for that.
Very interesting what you have to say about gear box rattle at (1:29) with stronger clutches, and again at (10:40). It is a strange phenomenon. And it is hard to diagnose and chase down.
Even Ashcroft's say the same
Interesting! Thanks for sharing 👍 just a comment related to the conversion part. I know they are done for many different reasons. I flirting with the idea of replacing my 300tdi with a 6 cylinder diesel. But I have to admit that my old 300tdi is performing impressively. Currently I'm driving in Norway, and my heavy loaded Defender with all my camping, vacation gear, wife and dog 😁 it has no problems coming up the mountain passes at all. And even sounds great with the turbo working overtime to keep up 🙂
I only did the Isuzu conversion as I wanted more pulling power for my trailer, but it seems since I did it I have only used it once in 2 years!
I don't think I will do another, but you never know!
Mike
Very enjoyable
I'm glad
Hi Mike great video and thanks for the update and sharing this video. .👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🚙🚙🚙
Thanks Denis!
Hi Mike great as always, why do some clutch springs rattle, even on new ones? I would have thought they would be under very slight compression all the time when in the housing!
A good question deserves a good answer, and the answer is - I don't know!
I have seen this myself and wondered why, however I do not have an example to investigate at the moment
But I have seen them rattle and as you say it would make sense for a light bit of tension - but I think they have been engineered to cope with the torque of the engine and come into play progressively - so maybe a lower BHP motor rattles more??
Nice video as normal Mike, I am still playing catch up so I am about six months behind.
I gave a friend a hand to change a clutch on his bike, I couldn't get my head around a clutch bathed in oil!!
I bet your Isuzu Defender goes like stink?!!
Has a lot of torque but about the same HP as a 300Tdi
Hi Mike - a slightly random question. Can I ask how you heat your shop against the Canadian winter? I need to move my Defender 90 from it's 'tent' on the drive into my garage for the winter. Although it's without wheels and on axle stands it could be 'acquired' fairly easily by a determined individual with the right kit (and I work away from home several 3 days a week), and the damp British winters don't do it any good (even if it's out of the direct rain, sleet, snow, hail) in it's partially dismantled state. I have a decent sized garage attached to the house (though it needs a major sort out to accommodate the Defender with enough room to work on it...). Obviously our winters are nothing like yours, but they are horrible to work in outside when it's miserable. I could extend the gas-fired central heating to include a couple of rads in the garage but I quite fancy the idea of a wood-burner. I'd welcome your thoughts. Many thanks - I'm continuing to enjoy and learn from your vids btw!
I have a heated floor in my shop powered by this wood pellet boiler
kotly.com.pl/produkt-boiler-pereko-ksp-duo-12-kw-4387.html?l=en
Heats my hot water and my apartment - uses about 1 bag a day and when it gets very cold (about-30C) I may use 2 bags - depends if I am opening and closing the garage door all the time, but it is quite reliable and has a 3/4 day supply of pellets on hand so it is easy to throw a bag in as you are passing
Mike
Along with Lancashire Lad I didn't understand the springs either, thank you for that. Would you mind if you get the time explaining how a dual mass flywheel works (and why they break / wear). My last car went to the shop for a cylinder leak (volvo) and being a sensible type I told the mechanic to swap the clutch while the box was off (yeah, thanks for that design volvo). What followed was a long diatribe about the dual mass flywheel and needing to measure it (measure what?). I've been left behind on this. Will my TD4 FL2 have one? - Also as an aside, late 80s, my friend used to rib me dragging boxes from under cars because he could change his MK1 Astra clutch without dropping the box, how cool is that? and why can't manufacturers do this now as it is a wearing component?
the Freelander 2 if a 2.2 6 speed will have a dual mass flywheel LR052354
All our Freelanders were straight 6 autos so I cannot be 100% accurate
I recall the Astra's it was a good idea but didn't catch on
Mike
@@BritannicaRestorations Cheers Mike, Merry Christmas.
Thank you !Stay safe and have a great Christmas (we have had snow since October!)Mike
I've not had any clutch problems using a standard SIII clutch behind a 200Tdi in my 109, and it is a common enough conversion that doesn't seem to have flagged up any trend of failed clutches, but do you reckon doing a similar conversion as you did, moving the SIII spline hub to a Tdi plate would be beneficial? The Series gear boxes are nowhere near as robust, and so I wonder if they would benefit from the extra springs in the plate cushioning the torque or whether it may make things worse. I don't know if the existing springs bottom out too easily behind a Tdi, with almost double the torque of the original engines, and give an almost solid transmission of drive, or whether they still have some compression left and more springs would give a harsher input to the gear box. The whole point of the springs is to make not only the drive more comfortable but to protect the transmission from shocks, and I don't know whether this mod would help or harm the already overloaded box. I suspect it'd help, but what do you think?
Nick - I understand what you mean but it is a lot of work (changing the clutch) for a theory -there is a colour code on the springs but I have no reference to the poundage they are
I had no choice to do the 300Tdi hub to an Isuzu
The problem is you have to make sure all parts are compatible ( I lucked out on mine) and get hold of some steel rivets to replace the originals
As you can see from the pic at the end of the video that my machine shop man made me some up as they had shoulders on them to get the correct spacing - maybe in the UK they have clutch rebuilders that can do this idea for you?
BTW these rivets also act as stops in case the springs get too weak
Nothing local at my side of the pond
Thanks, Mike. I have the Tdi flywheel and pressure plate with a standard SIII drive plate, so I suspect the parts will be compatible. Like you say, the benefit might not justify the effort.
There is a company I have only recently heard of through LR forums called Clutchfix who make custom clutches as well as stock upgraded units. They seem to have a good reputation, but I don't know anyone personally who has used them. I'll see what they say and let you know - I don't know if it's a common conversion in Canada, but it is here and seemingly not unusual in the US to stick a Tdi into a Series.
Incidentally, there is a UK based diff specialist who makes a few bits for Series, Defenders, RRC and Discovery, and amongst those is a metal sleeve for the clutch release bearing to replace the rubbish plastic sleeve. It's prevent the problem like you showed on Charles' clutch, though it obviously still won't make a bearing indestructible. Nigel Barker is his name. He runs megasquirt-v8.co.uk if you're interested in those.
I don't go down that road of converting series to Tdi - gets quite expensive and you end up with a with a Defender in a series body - IF you want the 5 speed and the transfer case and axle ratios etc - too much liability!
Folk here want speed and power
I see BP and Bearmach sell sleeved bearings - maybe from the same company - I know BP are selling some YRM stuff now under their own brand
Well, just in case you ever do one Mike, the Clutchfix guys got back to me and say that a Borg&Beck SIII plate will likely be OK, but that a Valeo one has fairly soft springs and that they have had their own stiffer springs made for the application. They charge 65GBP for a new uprated friction plate.
Td5 clutch is being shipped so we'll be able to make a follow up video soon!!!!
Won't be until late October at earliest - I have too many long term jobs to get out
my saabs 9-3s clutch burnt out after 30K miles...😣
Hell no. Don't tell me that the td5 has an dual mass flaywhell. They all brake. I am sick and tired of changing clutch an flywheel on the iveco daily 2.3 and 3.0l jtd. They are just engenireed to brake. And they are not cheap.
Agreed - talk about a step in the wrong direction