yeah that was really janky math. subtracting it is the additive dmg difference with itself, not the total dmg differential. it's still hard to say how much of a dmg increase it is anyways with spec classes because meter generation changes dmg output in hard-to-calculate ways. just test in trixion for spec at 1200 and at 1600
@@MaulScarreign that's what to do when you want to know what's the relative increase between two percentages. idk, I find it hard to explain, in the end it's just math
I'm so happy you talked about accessory quality... so many people don't realize that 100 spec can = 15% more damage. I see people with 5-10% all accessories just desperately trying to get 5x3 or 4x3 when it would be better to just get higher quality 4x3
Thanks for the video, very insightful! The one thing I would say is that in NA currently, 5 Class / 3 other accessories are still hella expensive, and getting a perfect one is just as hard (in the current market) as getting 5 other / 3 class one. I look forward to when we actually have a more stabilized market (17:50) .
"look at these prieces. really expensive" 100 quality 5/3 for 50k. meanwhile here in the west we sit at 60 quality 5/3 for at LEAST this price xD funny to see the differences
Had an argument a couple months back where we couldnt kill phase 2 vykas in time. Raid member accused me (im a shadowhunter) as being the heavy person since I had 3x3 while they had 4x3. People just look at engravings and it can be frustrating. I had three levels over his gems, 15% more on my weapon quality. Tried showing I do more damage but dude was just being an idiot. Then pointed out my stone was one grade level worse than his, but that was just HP and I was never dying..
@@nightman922 this is why i really hate playing with pub room, like when my team are up we can even clear kakul raid with 4x3 1475 team without any issue but those idiot pub room keep looking at our engraving and be like "omg u need 5x3 and at least 1490+ to be able to do this raid so we cannot accept u"
Hey ATK! I've seen some interesting builds from some KR players where they go 5 x 3 +1 as Keen Blunt, Adrenaline, Cursed doll, Grudge, Hit Master and +1 Drizzle class engraving. As they only have level 1 class engraving, they go 4/4 for Sword skill and Weather skills. I know this class is built around amassing Spec for weather skills to do more damage but would the loss of a few Weather skills be made up by the overall 16% damage boost from Cursed Doll? (Taking future gear into consideration)
I agree people should be able to plan their builds by now, but I find that NA struggles to break away from the WoW mentality of copy and paste without reading. The number of Sorcs I see running Critniter without an 8 CD gem on DD is insane. They argue it's ok because they run 3 Quick recharge and that lets them double DD...problem is, you sacrifice QoL outside of your enhanced state. I spend a lot of time crunching numbers, testing in trixion, and talking to other theorycrafters/experienced players before I commit to a build. It takes more time, but it can end up netting more dam.
So I watched the video and at 19:20 he asks what should the stone engravings be and people instantly said keen and hit master and I’m sitting here lost on how they knew that? I don’t understand what makes the choice on what engravings to put on the stone besides not the books ones.
yea this is the main problem with waiting so long to release classes. Not only do you have to wait for the class you want to finally release, but even after it does you are looking at a 1-2 month wait time for affordable accessories.
That's why I find these videos while 'okay' in terms of what to search for when our market reaches the same level (which btw it never will thanks to the initial RMT inflation) it will never apply to NA.
relic its cheap in KR, cause their mains dont use relic, they use ancient, that its a new rarity of accesories. so relic for them its like our legendary accesories
@@enmityyyy yes that’s true for most but not for aeromancer, she launched in july so how fid the market get saturated over there but here we’re still starving?
what do i need to buy? i got KB maxed out and gonna go for adren now i might get 5 drizzle and something else like KB or grudge since it might be cheaper What do i need to buy for accer?
if I have a bt zerk whose abilities actually don't scale with spec at all, its still worth to use the gold to get high quality just for the bargen alone and some dmg on the z?
@ATK, since kanon and stoopzz have already made a tierlist based on the current state of na/eu/sa would you mind creating a version of that on the current state of KR. Because na/eu/sa will get their hands on your current version in the future. That would be a great content
That tierlist was a joke. You had a bunch of people talking about classes they have 0 experience playing and didn't know anything about it. Don't think ATK would put out shit content like that.
4:56 Remember that if you have 86% vs 114% dmg you should actually divide 2.1444 / 1.8583 = 1.154 - 15,4% dmg increase, not subtract.
yeah that was really janky math. subtracting it is the additive dmg difference with itself, not the total dmg differential. it's still hard to say how much of a dmg increase it is anyways with spec classes because meter generation changes dmg output in hard-to-calculate ways. just test in trixion for spec at 1200 and at 1600
@@raidenxt8737 yeah I understand that, but that math just really hurt me so I had to write a clarification
@@slid3rek24 oh my bad. i didnt mean ur math was janky, i meant ATK's math in the video
i don't understand theorycrafting. where did you get 2.1444 / 1.8583 from?
@@MaulScarreign that's what to do when you want to know what's the relative increase between two percentages. idk, I find it hard to explain, in the end it's just math
I'm so happy you talked about accessory quality... so many people don't realize that 100 spec can = 15% more damage. I see people with 5-10% all accessories just desperately trying to get 5x3 or 4x3 when it would be better to just get higher quality 4x3
Artist and Aeromancer are the 2 characters I can't wait to play :p I wanna try the summonner too but that one shoud arrive soon!
Thanks for the video, very insightful! The one thing I would say is that in NA currently, 5 Class / 3 other accessories are still hella expensive, and getting a perfect one is just as hard (in the current market) as getting 5 other / 3 class one. I look forward to when we actually have a more stabilized market (17:50) .
THE 6/7/3 GOD ATACKS AGAIN
Did you think i come here to learn? NONONO, i heard, there was a stone cutting section😁
"look at these prieces. really expensive" 100 quality 5/3 for 50k. meanwhile here in the west we sit at 60 quality 5/3 for at LEAST this price xD
funny to see the differences
Had an argument a couple months back where we couldnt kill phase 2 vykas in time. Raid member accused me (im a shadowhunter) as being the heavy person since I had 3x3 while they had 4x3. People just look at engravings and it can be frustrating. I had three levels over his gems, 15% more on my weapon quality. Tried showing I do more damage but dude was just being an idiot. Then pointed out my stone was one grade level worse than his, but that was just HP and I was never dying..
I think people got too engrossed on the whole must have certain number of engravings, that they dont look at other key aspects of the players build
@@nightman922 this is why i really hate playing with pub room, like when my team are up we can even clear kakul raid with 4x3 1475 team without any issue but those idiot pub room keep looking at our engraving and be like "omg u need 5x3 and at least 1490+ to be able to do this raid so we cannot accept u"
Naisu, my aero is also drizzle build. Gigachad venasaur build casting solar beams
ngl aeromancer looks like so much fun i cant wait...
Love you videos @ATK
Hey ATK! I've seen some interesting builds from some KR players where they go 5 x 3 +1 as Keen Blunt, Adrenaline, Cursed doll, Grudge, Hit Master and +1 Drizzle class engraving. As they only have level 1 class engraving, they go 4/4 for Sword skill and Weather skills. I know this class is built around amassing Spec for weather skills to do more damage but would the loss of a few Weather skills be made up by the overall 16% damage boost from Cursed Doll? (Taking future gear into consideration)
this was actually really helpful and insightful thank you. You say its the last class, but watch in a few months when the next class is out aha :D
I agree people should be able to plan their builds by now, but I find that NA struggles to break away from the WoW mentality of copy and paste without reading. The number of Sorcs I see running Critniter without an 8 CD gem on DD is insane. They argue it's ok because they run 3 Quick recharge and that lets them double DD...problem is, you sacrifice QoL outside of your enhanced state.
I spend a lot of time crunching numbers, testing in trixion, and talking to other theorycrafters/experienced players before I commit to a build. It takes more time, but it can end up netting more dam.
So I watched the video and at 19:20 he asks what should the stone engravings be and people instantly said keen and hit master and I’m sitting here lost on how they knew that? I don’t understand what makes the choice on what engravings to put on the stone besides not the books ones.
Cost of those engravings on accessories. Will be cheaper to build in long run since they are the more expensive ones. Just market knowledge.
@@gtnogme ahhh thank you!
"look at these prices".. wish we had 60k 100 quality rings in NA KEKW
Thanks for the video
It’s hard to gear out my 1460 scouter there’s no pieces up since he just released and the pieces I do find are like 500k or more
yea this is the main problem with waiting so long to release classes. Not only do you have to wait for the class you want to finally release, but even after it does you are looking at a 1-2 month wait time for affordable accessories.
I settled with a 4x3 + 1 on mine with 1673 spec
the game starts at 19:35 ... with stone gamba. Enjoy!
I wish na and eu AU House is like this... its like im at eco thrift shop all cheap no high prices
Meanwhile a 65 quality spec ring pinnacle 3 and either cursed doll or raid captain 5 on NA W is over 100k :/
Yeah the market is crazy in NA, no matter what you try to get, even with a 5 class engraving accessories sadly...
That's why I find these videos while 'okay' in terms of what to search for when our market reaches the same level (which btw it never will thanks to the initial RMT inflation) it will never apply to NA.
Why does the x5 class engraving cost is so low on KR ? Is there a particular reason ?
Here for everything it's really huge price.
west being out for 7-8 months so little market saturation vs KR being out for multiple years so market saturation is high
relic its cheap in KR, cause their mains dont use relic, they use ancient, that its a new rarity of accesories.
so relic for them its like our legendary accesories
-They use ancient gear
-market saturation wich we dont have
-but we have bots...loooooooooooots of bots
-alot of ppl RMT sadly....
@@enmityyyy yes that’s true for most but not for aeromancer, she launched in july so how fid the market get saturated over there but here we’re still starving?
what do i need to buy? i got KB maxed out and gonna go for adren now i might get 5 drizzle and something else like KB or grudge since it might be cheaper
What do i need to buy for accer?
i prefer spec classes/builds because i the classes feel more distinct when working with thei're identiti gayge
whats that calculator sheet? U created it?
ayaya power!
good video
if I have a bt zerk whose abilities actually don't scale with spec at all, its still worth to use the gold to get high quality just for the bargen alone and some dmg on the z?
Yes, spec increases meter gain, meter duration, bloody rush damage, and awakening damage
bruh ..
start building in NA atk. Tell us how you go to gigachad with the the acc cost :)
I can hear the salt, lol. They had their game for 3 years. Our market is new, it's gonna stabilize with time as more content comes out.
I wonder if the game will still be alive by the time these classes come to the west
reaper>summoner>artist>aeromancer(february)
20k for 5x3 wow ... class 5 and any other attack eng 3 with only 5 quality costs 50k in our version...
Nah when you have 12/12 books and 7/7 stone you can be 5x3 in na/eu with 20-50k if you don't go for max quality obviously
@@ziggs123 what class that isnt crap can get 12/12 on their engravings for under 200-400k lol
@@sloth3456 true right now prices are ridiculous. Still would recommend getting engravings books first before 5x3
@ATK, since kanon and stoopzz have already made a tierlist based on the current state of na/eu/sa would you mind creating a version of that on the current state of KR. Because na/eu/sa will get their hands on your current version in the future. That would be a great content
That tierlist was a joke. You had a bunch of people talking about classes they have 0 experience playing and didn't know anything about it. Don't think ATK would put out shit content like that.
atkDink !
ayaya
trision dps(
Where is aeromancer on the tier list ?