You have such a curious nature that makes you ask such good questions so respectfully to such a wide range of people. I enjoyed so much getting Patricia's perspective as a sexologist, Sri Lankan, Christian and woman.
Brilliant interview. Fascinating. One of my fav bits was when Patricia asks Benjamin: “have you ever seen sperm” and there is this lovely long pause with a wonderful expression on Benjamin’s face… then Patricia finishes her question with “under the microscope?” And Benjamin shakes his head in a very relieved way! Patricia is a gem!
Patricia has such joy when she speaks. I could probably listen to her read through a phone book and it would be entertaining. Great grandmotherly energy. I was afraid at the start that there might be a language barrier, but that concern was quickly put away. You should have her on again some time!
Lovely interview, absolutely fascinating. As a lay woman and non religious adherent, the only thing I'd add is a perspective on why menstrual discomfort might happen (outside of medical conditions such as endo). I think it's important to remember for evolution all a species need to do is successfully reproduce, not necessarily be good at it or enjoy it. Humans have all sorts of painful or inconvenient conditions that we haven't gotten rid of simply because they are not fatal. The pain in childbirth thing arguably can be understood from a secular POV as well -- We do in fact have more pain in childbirth because our brains are so big and we walk on two legs, we literally give birth to babies that are not fully developed because any bigger would not be physically possible. Compare how helpless a human baby is for the first year of its life vs. say a baby horse(foal) that gets up and walks around moments after being born, the foal is born at a much later point in development, whereas a human woman couldn't simply carry a toddler in her womb. So in a way the Bible is not "wrong", we do actually have greater knowledge and function (larger brain size, opposible thumbs, walking on two feet) that makes our childbirth more difficult than that of most animals.
"We have lost the ability to celebrate same sex close friendships" I made that same observation noting how much fan fiction and comments on media read sexual interest/romance into friendships and rivalries between clearly otherwise heterosexual characters. Romantic companionship and friendship do overlap a lot, but it's a bizarre oversight of the sexual component to imagine they are the same.
There are a whole host of people in the "LGBTQ+++++" space who legitimately cannot regard Sam and Frodo as anything but gay hobbits, which is genuinely upsetting for a gay nerd such as myself.
@@lancewalker2595 Really? They must be part timers then. Any self-respecting LOTR obsessed fan would know that Sam, upon returning to the Shire, falls in love (with Rose, or is it Ruth), marries and has over a dozen kids!
I love her perspective on sex ed for kids. The only objection I had was early on when Benjamin asks her about circumcision and the "Intact" movement. She at least said correctly that there is no health reason for circumcision if you bathe regularly. But then she deflected away from the sensation question by moving to "well, there's so much more to sex than your genitals!" She excused circ as a religious practice while condemning FGM. Granted FGM is worse but circ is still genital mutilation, especially when performed on infants. I can only assume she doesn't want to offend Jews and Muslims so she is skirting around the truth. It's disappointing. I did some research into how Jews got into circ and supposedly they picked up the practice in Egypt, where it was likened to the shedding of skin of a snake (molting), a kind of rebirth.
Yea, that moment kind of caught me off guard. It's ok to damage men's primary pleasure center because the whole body can be a pleasure center, but it's wrong to damage women's primary pleasure center because it's the primary center. Both of them are religious/cultural practices, it doesn't mean either of them are correct. I think as with anyone, take the good ideas and leave the bad, because we all have good and bad opinions on things. I definitely think we should probably stop circumcision, but I also think it's sadly a losing political argument. I think more people just need to be educated and make the healthy choice without coercion until it becomes more popular, at least speaking from America.
It's refreshing to see another guest who approaches the basic biology of the issue, without having to make the science subservient to politics. There is one issue that didn't come up in the discussion, but is unavoidable when we take a religious approach to this subject - namely, that of morality. What we might call "traditional" Christian values do not align with those of contemporary Western secular society, particularly on the issue of homosexuality. If we say "this is wrong because the Bible says it's wrong", we're open to the charge of being bigoted and superstitious, and our views will be rejected because of that - if we accept the secular position, we're open to the charges of hypocrisy and betraying the clear teachings of our church, and our views will be rejected by the faithful. I'd be very interested to know how Patricia approaches the issue - I'm sure her views are worth hearing.
A point I don't understand. Aren't these "christian principles" on homosexuality based on the old testament and Jesus was sent to "correct the record" in effect? The Bible also says stuff like an "eye for an eye", but this isn't what Jesus taught.
@@MottIrregular Yes, it's possible to reconcile an acceptance of homosexuality with the text of the Bible, if we engage in some very legalistic analysis of the exact wording (particularly, the word _malakoi_ in 1 Cor 6:9). However, this isn't the traditional position, which follows the superficial meaning of the text and the various Old Testament passages which explicitly condemn it. My main point is that this involves starting with "secular morality" and adopting Christian morality to fit with it. I'm not saying this is wrong, just that it makes it difficult to claim any superior position for a specifically Christian, rather than secular, moral code.
@@Tevildo Edit: hmm, I see Corinthians is NT. Oh well, disregard I guess. what I don't understand is why the old testament is used as a moral authority rather than the new testament? Shouldn't Christians be asking "what would Jesus do?", not consulting the information he was sent to update?
@@MottIrregular This is another good point. The short answer is Matthew 5:17-18 - "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." This can be interpreted as meaning that the Old Testament law remains fully applicable unless there's a specific Dominical or Pauline exception to it. Whether it's right to base our moral code on the text, or on the more general "WWJD" principle you mention, is another matter, but, if we do base it on the text, the inconsistency you've raised can be addressed.
With respect to the circumcision thing, I don't think I'm an "MRA" for suggesting the medical adherence to the aphorism: "if it ain't broke don't fix it". I'm not butthurt about being circumcised, I don't have the experience necessary to justify feeling that I've lost something, I'm just saying it might have been nice to have had such experience so I don't have to wonder if dudes with everything where it was when they were born have better sex than I do. Make sense?
There is no need to remove the foreskin, or any part of either sex’s genitals.. it’s awful for both. But the fgm is so extreme and evil and can be so bad for health reasons: leaving women bleeding through a tiny hole, in constant pain with nerve endings all damaged…. Most of America gets their sons circumcised mostly not for religious reasons at all. Very strange. But they aren’t in pain every day.
I would recommend the work of Brian D Earp in regards to this subject. I don’t think anyone has a more clear understanding of the issue and my guess is that he would change your mind.
Correct. Most of the anti-circumcision proponents are deeply hysterical. They've read and talked themselves into various imagined traumas that they now insist are on par. They're deeply jealous of the success Feminists have had in manipulating society.
FGM is not one procedure, it's a large category -> and many forms of fgm are actually far less damaging - removing fewer nerve endings than male mutilation.
You should read up on different types of fgm before comments like this (and male mgm too for that matter). Type 1 fgm is the most common and is less severe than you described for example and it’s apparent you are unaware of that fact. Mgm also comes in multiple forms and you didn’t mention the less common but even more evil forms like those utilized in Eunuch slave trades. So with one gender, you took the most common and less severe practice (still horrifically bad btw). And with the other gender you took the less common and more severe form of cutting practices. Then you compared them like an ignorant fool without realizing the nuance or any of the details involved. Do humanity a favor and go read up more on subjects before engaging in them like you are a knowledgeable source, thanks.
When I was a kid they started teaching us stuff at 10 Like how sex is about power, specifically male power, and how men rape to intimidate all women and how all straight sex is basically rape anyway because of the power imbalance (since sex is about power) and how every man wants to hurt every woman Then they showed us really graphic stuff The books we were assigned had a ridiculous number of rape scenes I’ve never really recovered from that, I still can’t see any straight sexual situation as anything but that Then in high school the (female) “health” teacher was totally predditer-ing the boys. She would give the boys her phone number and make them come into her office after school It’s also not nearly as grievous as what they DID tell us, but they also DIDN’T tell us that periods would hurt worse than kidney stones. That’s the kind of stuff you should get a heads-up about. Bottom line: School is the worst possible place to allow this stuff to be taught
When was this, what year/years? I ask with curiosity to compare with my experience - I’m Swedish, I was born in ‘71, started school as a 6 year-old (a year earlier than normal). The only “sex education” we had was in 7th or 8th grade (if my memory serves me right), that is at 13, 14, years old. It was only brought up during one or two 1 hour classes. Thank you /Chris
Seems close to Luce Irigaray's philosophy (feminist, psychoanalyst and linguist), which has got lost in the noise. Sh studied the difference in language use among young children, and e believed children should be educated in the differences and learn to negotiate them. And I have felt for a long time that we are sexualising reltionships between young people falsely. My first loves were for women...deep passionate and sensual loves....but I am ver heterosexual. It's as though I learned to love through women.
It's curious that when it comes to female circumcision suddenly the whole body isn't a pleasure zone. Then it's mutilation. I think neither men nor women should be subjected to circumcision. Unless there's a clear medical reason it's all mutilation to me.
The nerves in the foreskin are fine-touch, while the nerves in the head are pressure nerves. The fine-touch sensation is more like the soft caress behind the ears. It feels like love. i.e., if you have a foreskin, you get more oxytocin during sex. It's more loving.
@@bellelacroix5938 Says the literature. See "Sorrells 2007". It was the first study to check the nerve types and sensitivity. It's been replicated many times and consistently shown to be correct.
@@mollygriswold7979 as a foreskin owner myself, I don’t care what “data” you have to back up your claim but it is pretty much nonsense. Sure it is a very sensitive area and removing it should be a crime but to say it is somehow more sensitive than the head is one of the most blatantly ridiculous things I’ve ever heard on this entire site.
48:00 I think the current theory is that it has to do with miscarriage and selecting the strongest ova; there was an article about how biologists are researching this question using a particular species of mouse which also has periods and even pms! Great interview btw! Dr. Weerakoon is so knowledgeable and an absolutely delightful speaker
11.30...babies don't "remember" pain/trauma...really.??..as babies we don't have language to articulate what is happening to us, and so can't explain what happened to us later , but it is well understood that what happens in our baby life has life long consequences. How painful and traumatic is circumcision to a baby? It's a very sensitive part of the body being cut, I suspect it is extremely painful. The baby cannot rationalise why this is happening to him, it is likely terrifying. Isn't it weird that God asked us to cut the foreskin off as part of the bargain..well it is for me at least.. another mysterious way..
Maybe the physical cramping of the uterus, strengthens it for eventual childbirth? Perhaps the pain it causes is also a type of strength and resilience training required for pregnancy childbirth and child rearing
I will never excuse the blithe casual sexism of saying female genital mutilation rightly deserves to be called as such, but male "circumcision" doesn't and is just a-ok and doesn't deserve to be called mutilation "because it's a religious practice" and that men should 'just forget about it anyway, because the whole body is an erogenous zone so who cares'. Absolutely disgusting misandry. I believe that after ensuring my relatives are taken care of, the remaining assets of my estate will be donated to the cause of ending this inexcusable barbaric act perpetrated against men and boys the world over.
@Muonium …. 1000% agree! This should indeed be viewed in the identical light, but it is not. In chat I had mentioned that some women say the foreskin is “ugly” or “dirty”, therefore removing it is the right thing to do. Imagine for .02 nanos if men up and decided that the clitoris is “offensive”, because it looks like a small penis and men are turned off by it. Can you even imagine the catastrophic outrage that would erupt? . If anyone thought overturning Roe was bad, men pushing for excising the clitoris would make pro-choice arguments look like a wedding day extravaganza! The circumcision rate is much lower in the UK and not like we are hearing about sex strikes from the ladies across the pond. . I don’t know if this will ever change, but the only way it is going to happen is when fathers tell the mom’s that this is NOT an option for their son. He may have to put his foot down hard, but along with education, that is the only way that women will be forced to accept a man as he was created.
@@NinjaKittyBonks I'm going to have to go and listen again, but i think in the context she used circumcision i agree with her rationality, it's fine as a medical procedure and cant be painted with a broad brush like FGM is. That being said some cultures do use it as MGM as they/others would for FGM and we should shun and safeguard from that behaviour.
The only sexist here is YOU. To compare a removal of an ENTIRE organ, which plays a significant role in women's body to a removal of a piece of SKIN, which doesn't change the function of a penis in any significant way is incredibly ignorant and just further proves that for some people women are indeed second rate humans. The atrocity that is female genital mutilation can never be compared to curcumsision. That being said in 21st century there should be no place for any kind of medical interference done to children in the name of tradition or religion.
@@screaper2717 …. There is no morally rational reason to remove 100% perfectly healthy tissue that has existed on the body since the literal beginning of human kind. There are a host of excuses made for why it is the right thing to do. Some will argue for sanitary reasons, as if the male is incapable of learning how to care for his own body so his penis will become gangrenous and required to be removed at some later date. Others say it is "ugly", "inconvenient" or women don't like the way it feels during certain acts. . Are you or any one going to sit here and tell me that the vagina, along with the reproductive system of the female, is a “low maintenance” concern? Why is it the female is capable of being taught how to clean and care for her body, but the male is just to GD'd stupid to do so? . Why is it universally frowned upon to to remove the clitoris of a female, and referred to as “mutilation”, while doing the exact same thing to the male is considered the morally fine with multiple arguments all accepted as the just thing to be done? The foreskin exists for a reason, yet “polite” Western society has deemed excising it as perfectly justified, yet would send that same society into an absolute ballistic rage, should we suggest the same for its female population? . No….. there are ABSOLUTELY ZERO morally, ethically or medically just reasons to perform circumcision as a matter of course…. only moronic excuses by a sosiety that thinks the penis is “ugly” as our creator made it! . There is nothing anyone can say to morally justify this act, say for medically necessary reasons. While there certainly are some, the reasons were are given for it bieng done, as a matter of course, are F******* bull***!
What a delightful lady, I’m at the point of having “the talk” with my 10 year old daughter. She has some information already because she has Precocious Puberty (diagnosed at 7 years). I became very interested in your channel because of your videos regarding ROGD, which I fear for her as she is also ASD. I’m very interested in this video as I didn’t treat her for puberty due to my own experience with GNRH agonists for endometriosis. I was diagnosed at 21 through surgery and I have been on hormones since I was 14 years old to control it. I’m 45 years old now. I have been on everything from birth control pills (about 6 different types), Depo Provera, and I began taking Zoladex (the VA’s covered option for Lupron). After my year and a half of Lupron, I was adamant that it wasn’t the best solution for my daughter. She’s slowed in her progress of puberty (drs are saying girls are starting sooner but it is lasting much longer than my generation) which makes me even more thankful that I didn’t go that route with her. We were assured that she would however, inherit the disease from me as it runs on both me and my husband’s side. Thank you again for all of your hard work Mr. Boyce. You continuously reinforce my decision to pull my daughter out of our area public school, and have her homeschooled.
I have endometriosis! But since going carnivore 3 years ago, I’ve not had any more pain (yes! Period pain) And yes! My endo is still there! I just had a internal scan confirming it.
@Mott Girl …. Thank you for joining us in chat for this podcast 😺. There is something about this diet that is clearly beneficial for us humans. I understand it to be pretty boring, as your taste buds will certainly agree, but like all predators on this little earth of ours, we have particular teeth and a metabalism designed specifically for the ingestion of meat. . Society has a host of “moral” reasons created to disway the killing of animals for human consumption, but why is it that while we may not like the visual or emotional image of a lion killing another animal to survive, we accept it as the order of things. . When it comes to humans doing the same thing, it is by many, considered repugnant and evil when society has created alternatives. The one thing that seems to escape those who make such an argument, is the following. 100% of every living creature that has ever existed on this earth, they cannot survive without the sacrifice of another living thing to do so. . Just because a plant does not have a voice that may sound its pain when being consumed by another, why does this make it preferable to that of an animal? Is it simply the “pain” induced? Is it the voice that can be heard exclaiming its pain and suffering? How is it we don’t have the same consideration for a carrot we pull out of the ground? What if those strings we see in vegatables serve a purpose beyond the supply of nutrients to grow and are indeed a nervous system as well? . Can we really be secure in our knowledge that tis is not the case….. or do we just tell ourselves that to maintain the “moral highground” to say … “I am a vegan”? . The kitty givin’ tha pepes something to think about 😺
Oh.. I was actually referring to the part where she mentioned that women might have had period cramps from the fall of Eden. But I would disagree… Bible only refers to childbirth. Not period cramps. It was only when I ate carnivore, did I realise periods were not meant to hurt at all. That was my context.
@@mottgirl13 …. Never having experienced such cramps, I wouldn't know. I was just struck by your mention of the carnivore diet. I have been a JBP follower for a number of years and both he ad Mikhaila have talked extensively on it (more so of Mikhaila, for sure). . I realized I was taking off-topic, but sometimes The Kitteh just has to do that 😺
@@fighterflight my relationship with both my parents is flawless. They are amazing grandparents, we live on the same street and I see them almost every day. You couldnt be more wrong in your diagnosis. I have issues for sure but my family life is beautiful
How can someone who just told us not to focus on the glans because the whole body is erotic then go on to tell us that there's a big difference between FGM (making a notch in the hood) and MGM (removing the foreskin)? And why would we even care that a boy's penis was removed during circumcision? Why would we care (as she later says) that bodies are good the way they are made? This is muddled thinking. Seemingly she has never seen the photos of what happens in South Africa using traditional methods of male mutilation. It's not rare for the penis to just rot right off.
I noticed the contradiction too. I was looking forward to what she has to say but I didn't really learn anything. A sexologist could have a lot to say on the trans movement, especially one with her early experience, but I felt too much if what she was trying to say was informed by her own ideology.
Somehow we have to get more people to watch you interviews. Reach out to Jordan Peterson, and ask for an interview. He is very interested in the gender conversation
In many ways a delightful interview, but for a medical professional to dismiss Benjamin's important question about any adaptive element to PMS and/or cramps, and animal parallels, with "God is punishing women" (I paraphrase) was just disgraceful.
You have such a curious nature that makes you ask such good questions so respectfully to such a wide range of people. I enjoyed so much getting Patricia's perspective as a sexologist, Sri Lankan, Christian and woman.
Brilliant interview. Fascinating. One of my fav bits was when Patricia asks Benjamin: “have you ever seen sperm” and there is this lovely long pause with a wonderful expression on Benjamin’s face… then Patricia finishes her question with “under the microscope?” And Benjamin shakes his head in a very relieved way! Patricia is a gem!
He totally missed her 'quickie' joke at the start when he asked for her background.... Wasn't expecting such good humour! 😂
This lady is awesome and could be every child’s teacher! ❤
Patricia has such joy when she speaks. I could probably listen to her read through a phone book and it would be entertaining. Great grandmotherly energy. I was afraid at the start that there might be a language barrier, but that concern was quickly put away.
You should have her on again some time!
A real pleasure to listen to her.
Keep up the great work
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Lovely interview, absolutely fascinating.
As a lay woman and non religious adherent, the only thing I'd add is a perspective on why menstrual discomfort might happen (outside of medical conditions such as endo). I think it's important to remember for evolution all a species need to do is successfully reproduce, not necessarily be good at it or enjoy it. Humans have all sorts of painful or inconvenient conditions that we haven't gotten rid of simply because they are not fatal.
The pain in childbirth thing arguably can be understood from a secular POV as well -- We do in fact have more pain in childbirth because our brains are so big and we walk on two legs, we literally give birth to babies that are not fully developed because any bigger would not be physically possible. Compare how helpless a human baby is for the first year of its life vs. say a baby horse(foal) that gets up and walks around moments after being born, the foal is born at a much later point in development, whereas a human woman couldn't simply carry a toddler in her womb. So in a way the Bible is not "wrong", we do actually have greater knowledge and function (larger brain size, opposible thumbs, walking on two feet) that makes our childbirth more difficult than that of most animals.
that was the sweetest and most charming beginning of an interview i've ever heard
"We have lost the ability to celebrate same sex close friendships"
I made that same observation noting how much fan fiction and comments on media read sexual interest/romance into friendships and rivalries between clearly otherwise heterosexual characters. Romantic companionship and friendship do overlap a lot, but it's a bizarre oversight of the sexual component to imagine they are the same.
There are a whole host of people in the "LGBTQ+++++" space who legitimately cannot regard Sam and Frodo as anything but gay hobbits, which is genuinely upsetting for a gay nerd such as myself.
@@lancewalker2595 Really? They must be part timers then. Any self-respecting LOTR obsessed fan would know that Sam, upon returning to the Shire, falls in love (with Rose, or is it Ruth), marries and has over a dozen kids!
@@monkeymadness9947 OH don't even get me started. These philistines can't actually read.
Why do people confuse internet culture with reality. Chronically online 😂
Brilliant, thanks, Benjamin. Your channel just keeps getting better.
I love her perspective on sex ed for kids. The only objection I had was early on when Benjamin asks her about circumcision and the "Intact" movement. She at least said correctly that there is no health reason for circumcision if you bathe regularly. But then she deflected away from the sensation question by moving to "well, there's so much more to sex than your genitals!" She excused circ as a religious practice while condemning FGM. Granted FGM is worse but circ is still genital mutilation, especially when performed on infants. I can only assume she doesn't want to offend Jews and Muslims so she is skirting around the truth. It's disappointing. I did some research into how Jews got into circ and supposedly they picked up the practice in Egypt, where it was likened to the shedding of skin of a snake (molting), a kind of rebirth.
Yea, that moment kind of caught me off guard. It's ok to damage men's primary pleasure center because the whole body can be a pleasure center, but it's wrong to damage women's primary pleasure center because it's the primary center. Both of them are religious/cultural practices, it doesn't mean either of them are correct. I think as with anyone, take the good ideas and leave the bad, because we all have good and bad opinions on things. I definitely think we should probably stop circumcision, but I also think it's sadly a losing political argument. I think more people just need to be educated and make the healthy choice without coercion until it becomes more popular, at least speaking from America.
Fascinating!!! What a great interview!! Thanks so much for this!
What a delightful interviewee! I love how excited she gets about uterine lining 😄.
It's refreshing to see another guest who approaches the basic biology of the issue, without having to make the science subservient to politics.
There is one issue that didn't come up in the discussion, but is unavoidable when we take a religious approach to this subject - namely, that of morality. What we might call "traditional" Christian values do not align with those of contemporary Western secular society, particularly on the issue of homosexuality. If we say "this is wrong because the Bible says it's wrong", we're open to the charge of being bigoted and superstitious, and our views will be rejected because of that - if we accept the secular position, we're open to the charges of hypocrisy and betraying the clear teachings of our church, and our views will be rejected by the faithful.
I'd be very interested to know how Patricia approaches the issue - I'm sure her views are worth hearing.
A point I don't understand. Aren't these "christian principles" on homosexuality based on the old testament and Jesus was sent to "correct the record" in effect? The Bible also says stuff like an "eye for an eye", but this isn't what Jesus taught.
@@MottIrregular Yes, it's possible to reconcile an acceptance of homosexuality with the text of the Bible, if we engage in some very legalistic analysis of the exact wording (particularly, the word _malakoi_ in 1 Cor 6:9). However, this isn't the traditional position, which follows the superficial meaning of the text and the various Old Testament passages which explicitly condemn it.
My main point is that this involves starting with "secular morality" and adopting Christian morality to fit with it. I'm not saying this is wrong, just that it makes it difficult to claim any superior position for a specifically Christian, rather than secular, moral code.
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Edit: hmm, I see Corinthians is NT. Oh well, disregard I guess.
what I don't understand is why the old testament is used as a moral authority rather than the new testament? Shouldn't Christians be asking "what would Jesus do?", not consulting the information he was sent to update?
@@MottIrregular This is another good point. The short answer is Matthew 5:17-18 - "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." This can be interpreted as meaning that the Old Testament law remains fully applicable unless there's a specific Dominical or Pauline exception to it.
Whether it's right to base our moral code on the text, or on the more general "WWJD" principle you mention, is another matter, but, if we do base it on the text, the inconsistency you've raised can be addressed.
With respect to the circumcision thing, I don't think I'm an "MRA" for suggesting the medical adherence to the aphorism: "if it ain't broke don't fix it". I'm not butthurt about being circumcised, I don't have the experience necessary to justify feeling that I've lost something, I'm just saying it might have been nice to have had such experience so I don't have to wonder if dudes with everything where it was when they were born have better sex than I do. Make sense?
There is no need to remove the foreskin, or any part of either sex’s genitals.. it’s awful for both. But the fgm is so extreme and evil and can be so bad for health reasons: leaving women bleeding through a tiny hole, in constant pain with nerve endings all damaged…. Most of America gets their sons circumcised mostly not for religious reasons at all. Very strange. But they aren’t in pain every day.
If you study the way trauma persists, you might amend your final statement.
I would recommend the work of Brian D Earp in regards to this subject. I don’t think anyone has a more clear understanding of the issue and my guess is that he would change your mind.
Correct. Most of the anti-circumcision proponents are deeply hysterical. They've read and talked themselves into various imagined traumas that they now insist are on par. They're deeply jealous of the success Feminists have had in manipulating society.
FGM is not one procedure, it's a large category -> and many forms of fgm are actually far less damaging - removing fewer nerve endings than male mutilation.
You should read up on different types of fgm before comments like this (and male mgm too for that matter). Type 1 fgm is the most common and is less severe than you described for example and it’s apparent you are unaware of that fact.
Mgm also comes in multiple forms and you didn’t mention the less common but even more evil forms like those utilized in Eunuch slave trades.
So with one gender, you took the most common and less severe practice (still horrifically bad btw). And with the other gender you took the less common and more severe form of cutting practices. Then you compared them like an ignorant fool without realizing the nuance or any of the details involved. Do humanity a favor and go read up more on subjects before engaging in them like you are a knowledgeable source, thanks.
I was in my own Masters program at U Hawaii at Manoa during the same years as Dr. Weerakoon. Different department. Cool.
When I was a kid they started teaching us stuff at 10
Like how sex is about power, specifically male power, and how men rape to intimidate all women and how all straight sex is basically rape anyway because of the power imbalance (since sex is about power) and how every man wants to hurt every woman
Then they showed us really graphic stuff
The books we were assigned had a ridiculous number of rape scenes
I’ve never really recovered from that, I still can’t see any straight sexual situation as anything but that
Then in high school the (female) “health” teacher was totally predditer-ing the boys. She would give the boys her phone number and make them come into her office after school
It’s also not nearly as grievous as what they DID tell us, but they also DIDN’T tell us that periods would hurt worse than kidney stones. That’s the kind of stuff you should get a heads-up about.
Bottom line: School is the worst possible place to allow this stuff to be taught
Wow. What a terrible education. Sorry you went through that.
No wonder girls don't want to be girls... that's horrible that you were taught that
When was this, what year/years?
I ask with curiosity to compare with my experience - I’m Swedish, I was born in ‘71, started school as a 6 year-old (a year earlier than normal). The only “sex education” we had was in 7th or 8th grade (if my memory serves me right), that is at 13, 14, years old. It was only brought up during one or two 1 hour classes.
Thank you
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Jesus Christ Where Were You Raised and when?
That's crazy. Was this a private religious school or something?
She was brilliant ..
Seems close to Luce Irigaray's philosophy (feminist, psychoanalyst and linguist), which has got lost in the noise. Sh studied the difference in language use among young children, and e believed children should be educated in the differences and learn to negotiate them. And I have felt for a long time that we are sexualising reltionships between young people falsely. My first loves were for women...deep passionate and sensual loves....but I am ver heterosexual. It's as though I learned to love through women.
It's curious that when it comes to female circumcision suddenly the whole body isn't a pleasure zone. Then it's mutilation.
I think neither men nor women should be subjected to circumcision. Unless there's a clear medical reason it's all mutilation to me.
The glans/head is NOT the pleasure zone of the phallus. It is the foreskin itself. This has been well documented in nerve studies.
The nerves in the foreskin are fine-touch, while the nerves in the head are pressure nerves. The fine-touch sensation is more like the soft caress behind the ears. It feels like love. i.e., if you have a foreskin, you get more oxytocin during sex. It's more loving.
Says a woman.
@@bellelacroix5938 Says the literature. See "Sorrells 2007". It was the first study to check the nerve types and sensitivity. It's been replicated many times and consistently shown to be correct.
Thank you @Molly Griswold
Top quality post and retort
@@mollygriswold7979 as a foreskin owner myself, I don’t care what “data” you have to back up your claim but it is pretty much nonsense. Sure it is a very sensitive area and removing it should be a crime but to say it is somehow more sensitive than the head is one of the most blatantly ridiculous things I’ve ever heard on this entire site.
48:00 I think the current theory is that it has to do with miscarriage and selecting the strongest ova; there was an article about how biologists are researching this question using a particular species of mouse which also has periods and even pms!
Great interview btw! Dr. Weerakoon is so knowledgeable and an absolutely delightful speaker
11.30...babies don't "remember" pain/trauma...really.??..as babies we don't have language to articulate what is happening to us, and so can't explain what happened to us later , but it is well understood that what happens in our baby life has life long consequences.
How painful and traumatic is circumcision to a baby? It's a very sensitive part of the body being cut, I suspect it is extremely painful. The baby cannot rationalise why this is happening to him, it is likely terrifying.
Isn't it weird that God asked us to cut the foreskin off as part of the bargain..well it is for me at least.. another mysterious way..
1000% agree! Head up a comment or two for my reply to @Muonium. No need to repeat myself, but same comment applies here… cheers 😺
@@NinjaKittyBonks it seems so obvious..???
Awesome lady😊
Love this woman!
I live in an apartment and I’ve got beans, broccoli, Asian peppers, carrots, cilantro, ginger, and an avocado tree growing on my porch.
Maybe the physical cramping of the uterus, strengthens it for eventual childbirth? Perhaps the pain it causes is also a type of strength and resilience training required for pregnancy childbirth and child rearing
I will never excuse the blithe casual sexism of saying female genital mutilation rightly deserves to be called as such, but male "circumcision" doesn't and is just a-ok and doesn't deserve to be called mutilation "because it's a religious practice" and that men should 'just forget about it anyway, because the whole body is an erogenous zone so who cares'. Absolutely disgusting misandry.
I believe that after ensuring my relatives are taken care of, the remaining assets of my estate will be donated to the cause of ending this inexcusable barbaric act perpetrated against men and boys the world over.
@Muonium …. 1000% agree! This should indeed be viewed in the identical light, but it is not. In chat I had mentioned that some women say the foreskin is “ugly” or “dirty”, therefore removing it is the right thing to do. Imagine for .02 nanos if men up and decided that the clitoris is “offensive”, because it looks like a small penis and men are turned off by it. Can you even imagine the catastrophic outrage that would erupt?
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If anyone thought overturning Roe was bad, men pushing for excising the clitoris would make pro-choice arguments look like a wedding day extravaganza! The circumcision rate is much lower in the UK and not like we are hearing about sex strikes from the ladies across the pond.
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I don’t know if this will ever change, but the only way it is going to happen is when fathers tell the mom’s that this is NOT an option for their son. He may have to put his foot down hard, but along with education, that is the only way that women will be forced to accept a man as he was created.
@@NinjaKittyBonks I'm going to have to go and listen again, but i think in the context she used circumcision i agree with her rationality, it's fine as a medical procedure and cant be painted with a broad brush like FGM is.
That being said some cultures do use it as MGM as they/others would for FGM and we should shun and safeguard from that behaviour.
The only sexist here is YOU. To compare a removal of an ENTIRE organ, which plays a significant role in women's body to a removal of a piece of SKIN, which doesn't change the function of a penis in any significant way is incredibly ignorant and just further proves that for some people women are indeed second rate humans. The atrocity that is female genital mutilation can never be compared to curcumsision. That being said in 21st century there should be no place for any kind of medical interference done to children in the name of tradition or religion.
@@screaper2717 …. There is no morally rational reason to remove 100% perfectly healthy tissue that has existed on the body since the literal beginning of human kind. There are a host of excuses made for why it is the right thing to do. Some will argue for sanitary reasons, as if the male is incapable of learning how to care for his own body so his penis will become gangrenous and required to be removed at some later date. Others say it is "ugly", "inconvenient" or women don't like the way it feels during certain acts.
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Are you or any one going to sit here and tell me that the vagina, along with the reproductive system of the female, is a “low maintenance” concern? Why is it the female is capable of being taught how to clean and care for her body, but the male is just to GD'd stupid to do so?
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Why is it universally frowned upon to to remove the clitoris of a female, and referred to as “mutilation”, while doing the exact same thing to the male is considered the morally fine with multiple arguments all accepted as the just thing to be done? The foreskin exists for a reason, yet “polite” Western society has deemed excising it as perfectly justified, yet would send that same society into an absolute ballistic rage, should we suggest the same for its female population?
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No….. there are ABSOLUTELY ZERO morally, ethically or medically just reasons to perform circumcision as a matter of course…. only moronic excuses by a sosiety that thinks the penis is “ugly” as our creator made it!
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There is nothing anyone can say to morally justify this act, say for medically necessary reasons. While there certainly are some, the reasons were are given for it bieng done, as a matter of course, are F******* bull***!
Mutilating babies is wrong no matter what sex it is and it’s bizarre that this is a controversial statement
I love this interview! I will forever envision my fallopian tentacles sweeping my egg into a loving embrace once per month. It really is beautiful.
Hypothetically could menopause be delayed by either implanting ova or inducing ova production in a woman?
Have often wondered that.
Soo good 👍🏼
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What a delightful lady, I’m at the point of having “the talk” with my 10 year old daughter. She has some information already because she has Precocious Puberty (diagnosed at 7 years). I became very interested in your channel because of your videos regarding ROGD, which I fear for her as she is also ASD. I’m very interested in this video as I didn’t treat her for puberty due to my own experience with GNRH agonists for endometriosis. I was diagnosed at 21 through surgery and I have been on hormones since I was 14 years old to control it. I’m 45 years old now. I have been on everything from birth control pills (about 6 different types), Depo Provera, and I began taking Zoladex (the VA’s covered option for Lupron). After my year and a half of Lupron, I was adamant that it wasn’t the best solution for my daughter. She’s slowed in her progress of puberty (drs are saying girls are starting sooner but it is lasting much longer than my generation) which makes me even more thankful that I didn’t go that route with her. We were assured that she would however, inherit the disease from me as it runs on both me and my husband’s side. Thank you again for all of your hard work Mr. Boyce. You continuously reinforce my decision to pull my daughter out of our area public school, and have her homeschooled.
I have endometriosis! But since going carnivore 3 years ago, I’ve not had any more pain (yes! Period pain) And yes! My endo is still there! I just had a internal scan confirming it.
@Mott Girl …. Thank you for joining us in chat for this podcast 😺. There is something about this diet that is clearly beneficial for us humans. I understand it to be pretty boring, as your taste buds will certainly agree, but like all predators on this little earth of ours, we have particular teeth and a metabalism designed specifically for the ingestion of meat.
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Society has a host of “moral” reasons created to disway the killing of animals for human consumption, but why is it that while we may not like the visual or emotional image of a lion killing another animal to survive, we accept it as the order of things.
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When it comes to humans doing the same thing, it is by many, considered repugnant and evil when society has created alternatives. The one thing that seems to escape those who make such an argument, is the following. 100% of every living creature that has ever existed on this earth, they cannot survive without the sacrifice of another living thing to do so.
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Just because a plant does not have a voice that may sound its pain when being consumed by another, why does this make it preferable to that of an animal? Is it simply the “pain” induced? Is it the voice that can be heard exclaiming its pain and suffering? How is it we don’t have the same consideration for a carrot we pull out of the ground? What if those strings we see in vegatables serve a purpose beyond the supply of nutrients to grow and are indeed a nervous system as well?
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Can we really be secure in our knowledge that tis is not the case….. or do we just tell ourselves that to maintain the “moral highground” to say … “I am a vegan”?
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The kitty givin’ tha pepes something to think about 😺
Oh.. I was actually referring to the part where she mentioned that women might have had period cramps from the fall of Eden. But I would disagree… Bible only refers to childbirth.
Not period cramps.
It was only when I ate carnivore, did I realise periods were not meant to hurt at all.
That was my context.
That’s awesome! Congratulations!
@@mottgirl13 …. Never having experienced such cramps, I wouldn't know. I was just struck by your mention of the carnivore diet. I have been a JBP follower for a number of years and both he ad Mikhaila have talked extensively on it (more so of Mikhaila, for sure).
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I realized I was taking off-topic, but sometimes The Kitteh just has to do that 😺
@@NinjaKittyBonks wow! That’s great! Mikhaila is why I went carnivore… I couldn’t believe it!
Depressing that a sexologist has such sexist double standards on genital mutilation.
I agree with you but to be fair to her, the propaganda campaign was really effective about fgm.
@@soulfuzz368 dear incels, handle your mommy issues. it’s not her fault you’re fatherless. time to grow up. you’re not the victim of the world 😂
@@fighterflight my relationship with both my parents is flawless. They are amazing grandparents, we live on the same street and I see them almost every day. You couldnt be more wrong in your diagnosis. I have issues for sure but my family life is beautiful
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How can someone who just told us not to focus on the glans because the whole body is erotic then go on to tell us that there's a big difference between FGM (making a notch in the hood) and MGM (removing the foreskin)? And why would we even care that a boy's penis was removed during circumcision? Why would we care (as she later says) that bodies are good the way they are made? This is muddled thinking. Seemingly she has never seen the photos of what happens in South Africa using traditional methods of male mutilation. It's not rare for the penis to just rot right off.
FGM is not "a notch in the hood" you ass. You know full well it's the removal of the clitoris, including the labia.
Beware people who flatter you repeatedly with "As you know..." and overly use your name: "Benjamin".
I too am unimpressed by this lady
This kind of stuff is why most people don't take your movement seriously. Grow up.
I noticed the contradiction too. I was looking forward to what she has to say but I didn't really learn anything. A sexologist could have a lot to say on the trans movement, especially one with her early experience, but I felt too much if what she was trying to say was informed by her own ideology.
That sounds tramatic and a zerious health crisis. Have not heard of that before
Hello everyone - Can you sound alright?
🙂🥰 I thought that was so sweet too.
Yup
Beautiful
Somehow we have to get more people to watch you interviews. Reach out to Jordan Peterson, and ask for an interview. He is very interested in the gender conversation
It might happen, some day.
This man deletes dissenting opinions in his comments. Not much of an open discussion. Let’s see if this one is allowed to remain.
In many ways a delightful interview, but for a medical professional to dismiss Benjamin's important question about any adaptive element to PMS and/or cramps, and animal parallels, with "God is punishing women" (I paraphrase) was just disgraceful.
It's a dumb paraphrase.
Can you explain why?