Thermal Will Get You Killed
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Thermal Will Get You Killed
Night Vision is what gets you comfortable in the darkness. Thermal is what gets you killed in it.
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Table of Contents:
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0:00 - Thermal Will Get You Killed
1:21 - Stride ST6 and LEAP 6
3:20 - NV Sucks (Here's Why)
4:38 - Thermal Capabilities
6:47 - Helmet Mounted Thermal
8:09 - Weapon Mounted Thermal
9:12 - Where is Thermal Headed?
11:26 - Our Broader Cultural Mission
12:55 - NEW COFFEE IS LIVE!
13:30 - Blasting with LEAP 6 Thermal
#Thermal #ThermalImaging #RIXOptics
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Yeah hunting though
WOAH!
The crisp sight picture and ability to truly see in the dark. Just Awesome.
This video shattered a lot of misconceptions about nvg setups and blew my mind with the value and information in this video thank you keep up the good clean work
I bought a thermal handheld monocular and a rattler was planing on getting nvg for the helmet now I’m wondering if i should save up some more the truth is I want both that infused would be the ticket honestly
When you've spent 8k and finally acquired your night vision setup... only to get smoked by thermal.
In return his buddy drops a frag on you with his $500 drone...
@@lllllREDACTEDlllllbut I spent $2k on a drone with thermal 😂
"Ya but I've got a $5 aluminum foil blanket that's thermal blind"
Or to get smoked by a guy with a 400 dollar PSA rifle and 55 gran FMJs
In the dark?@@mghegotagun
It all comes bock to Garand Thumb. Don't have nods? Mega dead. Oh, you have nods but not thermal? Still ultra dead.
I trust him more. He's an actual combat vet. I have no data on this guy, other than he sells stuff.
Military service shouldn't be your only measure for knowledge.
@@manictigerthem don’t watch this guy,
@@Big_Floyd facts. When I was active in the Marine Corps we occasionally had civilians educate us on gear. I mean, ALL the gear in the military is made by civilians. They might know something. I agree with your statement that, "military service should not be a person's only measure of knowledge." 👍
@@Big_Floyd
It's a big deal, especially if it starts going into "possible scenarios" that no one's even had to deal with, yet. It's already sketchy enough when a service member talks about something that happened in the 90s, but then the extrapolation gets even worse when you start talking to civvies that think they know everything.
For example, you people do know that thermal's not that hard to mitigate, right? No, ofc not. You think it's magic, because the sales guy told you.
I hope none of your lives depend on tactical info, because there's a lot of grifters right now.
100% spot on, even 12 years ago in Afghanistan.... enemy combatant moving through a wadi stashing some stuff in the side of the wadi wall. I couldn't see him with my NODs 250/300 meters. How did I know he was there? One of my machine gunners running fusion nods/thermals had been watching him for several minutes....
12yrs ago? We had thermals on drones/UAVs, thermal scopes on our M2, M240B, M16, and helmet mounted thermals, plus gyrocam thermals and CROW turrets with thermals, in Iraq and Afghanistan for years prior to that.
In 1991 the drones and tanks had thermals. In vietnam the jets and SF had thermals.
the real question is, what will be invented to hide the heat. or I should say, what is still classified and very expensive to do so.
mylar
@@SoloRenegade thermals aren't thermals.
The old ones don't light a candle to the new ones in terms of 'resolution' (image clarity) and contrast.
@@Volvith what the US military has access to 20yrs ago, and what you have access to today are Not the same. you're just parroting what you heard in the video.
We had top notch thermals, and lots of it, when I was overseas.
Our stuff was so good in Iraq and Afghanistan, at least as far back as 2006, that we could see what objects people where carrying in their pockets. We could see the layers of clothing they were wearing underneath their outer garments due to the heat difference (you can imagine people got some cute ideas with that). We used them to run missions in zero visibility sandstorms.
The detail then was at least as good as what you're seeing now in this video. Not every unit was issued this stuff. My unit was next in line behind SOCOM to get such equipment.
I believe that the Predator movie showed us the advantages of thermal over night vision
Still can't drive your car in blackout mode with thermal on
You really need both
Yes, a $3000 thermal rig will be defeated by a thin veneer of mud.
@@kellyevans3254 The special effects channel "Corridor Crew" actually tested this and it worked better than anyone expected.
@@kellyevans3254 the human body will be defeated by a thin veneer of mud. Hypothermia is a menace
0:44 most rewatched 3 seconds of this video. Epic hot water bottle idea.
That was sick
Which is crazy considering the real thing is at 4:41. I think a lot people are just psychopaths who want to kill others.
@FGC292 psychos exist. But clips like these, hogs or coyotes getting shot, can be viewed as a demonstration of equipment and be applied to when the situation really matters: two-way ranges.
Also these vermin are devastating to farms
It was over confidence in thermal imaging that got my friend James Johnston was killed in Afghanistan by some dude flossing a matrix of space blankets and wool plus a SKS. It always will go both ways.
My condolences. But he woulda got smoked even without thermals. Woulda prob got smoked way before. Imagine how many times thermals saved him before it didnt.
Sorry for your loss. I'll say a quick prayer for him. Rip 🙏
Overconfidence is a very good point. It does not take much to hide from thermal if you’re fighting in the woods.
Thermals are good for static defense and observation. Night vision is the only thing you can use while moving.
In this guy’s little opening he thinks of himself as a hawk. Being able to freely watch someone continuously crossing his turf for some reason? There are so many factors to warfare it’s impossible to predict anything. I can however say you will not be able to freely watch enemies move around for no reason.p
@@Bigbossman12624 did you pay attention to the part where thermal has advanced so much that you can use it for movement? not just static defense/observation like it was for GWOT. next step is electromagnetic visuals. can literally see the electrical in peoples nervous systems behind cover, even better than thermal.
For day to day tasks, night vision is great. But for detection, thermal is king.
A couple months back I was walking in trails behind my home at night with my NODs as I do from time to time. Flipped up my nods and brought down my thermal and not more than 20 yards from me was a small herd of deer bedded down in tall grass. I couldn’t see them with my NODs I was shocked how close they were.
*night to night tasks
Can I borrow some $?
3 grand.....guess im just stayin in the house and takin it off the body that comes in
None of it works aginst booby traps either . A good booby trap is hard to see in the daylight let alone in the dark when it has no heat signature. Save your money for bear traps .
@@jamesolivito4374that’s jus a dumb thing to say cuz i can say booby traps wont do shit to a drone i can jus fly over and drop an IED and your booby trap ain’t shit so save your money for drones and a few other things 🤷🏽♂️
People with thermal ain't moving... You will have to go to them, one foggy humid morning or evening.
@@bradleysmith9431 people without thermal ain't going nowhere either and have invested their $10000 into some really cool traps . 👀 There is no end all beat all and technology has struggled aginst guys wearing flip flops and pajamas since the '60s . My advice save your money and buy some flip flops and pajamas.
Lol same for me. And if shit goes bad good luck supplying batteries for those fancy optics
It is literally having a superpower. An ability that lets you essentially detect life, power, mobility, past actions, and hidden trails. If you know how to interpret heat signatures and have reasonable powers of deduction that is.
sounds like seer and blood hound
Powers of deduction, you say? Are those learned at a magical school? Is it not reasonable to reasonably have deductive skills? Now, we need "powers"?
Triggered XD Welcome to the department of redundancy department!
@@sircumference3325lmao that is amazing
@@aaronh1372pow·er
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Why are you trying to start something from nothing?
As a homesteader, thermals are the best tool ever. No more wandering around with a flashlight trying to find why the dogs are barking. Currently rocking a PVS 14 and an Armasight sidekick helmet mounted thermal along with a suppressed 300 blackout SBR with thermal scope. Weather conditions do play a huge role in the efficiency of thermal. Sometimes you can see great contrast, other times it’s like wandering around in the dark.
In hot or cold environments are the extreme discrepancies most common?
Thanks for being honest about the tech. nothing is infallible.
@@MetaVizions in my experience, cool weather and cold weather are best. In hot weather, everything is a hotspot.
@@montanatacticalhomesteader6623 Where I work, we have thermal cameras. Fog and icing lenses are the two worst problems, followed by environmental temperatures being too close to the ID target's temperature. The fog and ice reduce the effective range to a fraction of their normal range, and when the heat temps are too close, everything starts to blur. Granted, our cameras are not very new, either.
I’m a homesteader but apparently I suck at it because I can’t afford any of that….
In the dark,
I see mice between the fence posts. Animals inside trees.
Dead rats and foxes that won't be eating my chickens.
I've saved many lives of missing animals.
I need thermal and can't live without it.
👍
Currently the most underrated guntuber out right now. Producing videos better than channels with millions of subscribers.
Thanks for watching! Feel free to share it around 👊👊
Arrogance and superiority complex will prevent this channel from ever reaching millions of subs. He does it to himself, separating himself cause "he's so much cooler and better in every way". Id vs ego. Takes all kinds. Maturation is inevitable, or termination.
@@aaronh1372 Arrogance? Superiority? Somebody ruffled your feathers LOL.
@@aaronh1372 Arrogance? Superiority? Somebody ruffled your feathers LOL.
@@TATargets, you'll probably have to get used to comments like that...
Especially if you are going to say that someone spent thousands of dollars on outdated tech.
If you really want to get crucified, just tell a Gibson guitar owner that their $3,000 or $30,000 guitar doesn't sound any better than a $300 guitar, and you'll see this principle in full effect. 😂
holy shit that opening scene is intense
We…know…you. Thanks for watching 👊👊
You were standing in the open with a tripod
@@TATargetswhat type of liquid did the guy have to throw all over himself that was shot in the opening scene. And how did you make it work like how did he blow up the container or just throw it all around?
@@user-po5po6pn8oMain character syndrome.
Why do you continually keep shooting groups of guys crossing an area for seemingly no reason? You end one group of guys and the rest will come end you. Thats probably what would happen more than idiots standing around at night.
Either a massive war crime or some pipe dream fantasy.
@@user-po5po6pn8oand they didn't see him
I have worked with thermal cameras for water restoration and if you walk around in a tile floor with bare feet you can literally track someone like jackal from rainbow 6 seige and tell how fresh the print is
Night vision is for land navigation first and foremost, surveying second, and combat in dead last. Can't stand seeing all these guys thinking nods make them invincible.
I ain’t no tech expert but analog is so much harder to work on and to replace than thermal the one thing however that analog can do super well however is durability as well as energy efficiency so it all depends really, if you can get both, get both, if you can’t I’d think thermals would be the way to start
While thermal optics are incredible and the way forward, this is a huge overstatement of their power. You aren't a ninja with NOD's on, and you aren't predator with thermals.
sunken cost fallacy
Yeah but if you act like a ninja with thermal overlay you become a predator
The only downfall I have found with using thermals is fog …. But damn thermals rock for night killing
I can see through fog with mine???
Thick fog, desert heat, even most daytime use..... thermals have limits.. but not many
@@Jasonz1919 I only had a couple occasion when the fog was thick and everything was white … mines a pulsar
They absolutely have limits…BUT newer thermal continues to defeat inclement weather. Keeps getting better. But it’s certainly possible to have “blank screen” scenarios.
We did a video on this over on the Arkayne Co channel.
@@TATargetsmodern warfare is being fought during the day again. Ever notice you don't see night fighting in Ukraine? Basically only air warfare at night.... to hard to hide from thermals at night
As a guy who has both and uses them for predator hunting I can tell you without a doubt, thermal has come a long way and having it on your head is a game changer.
Night vision is great for moving and navigating, walking around, a back up for thermal, thermal is great for identification and recognition. I don’t even bother trying to use the night vision for anything other than walking or driving.
Couple things if you’re thinking about thermal… don’t cheap out. 640 core is damn near a minimum for positive identification…. Yes lesser processor’s still can detect, but if you want certainty without a shadow of a doubt. Get a 640 core.
“If you’re enemy has thermal and you do not, you will die” -GT Flannel Daddy. The day after that vid I ordered my first thermal scope. I am not regretful in the least. Amazing toy if nothing else.
Just don’t do night raids. And if someone night raids you, you have home advantage and rig your place however you want. Booby traps, spot lights, etc
@@mr.mayhem9724Sir, Thermal is unusable for me. I use flame throwers.
Randomly engaging unknown stranger is a quick way to have a group hunting you.
Ok
Wow, informative
True, and hopefully people with the tech understand this. But the surveillance and information gathering ability is still incredibly useful.
Not if you’re using thermals
Yep. These clowns have no idea about target ID. Try seeing through a window on a house with a fucking thermal.
Next phase: FPV drones with thermal and grenade dropper.
Save your money. Just avoid war.
The only option is to avoid war, it's to ugly to comprehend.
It will come to us anyways. Being helpless invites violent people.
@user-nq2oz8tf2l
If you have that kind of money you are free to spend it however you see fit.
But, I believe you don't have to be all tacticool to be ready for most scenarios. Now, if you are an operator who makes a living taking out other operators...... Well play on.
@@incredible3214Most of these guys who have spent $10k+ on gear.. ask them how much THOUGHT ALONE they have put into food production. I'd wager to bet, within 3 months, 95%+ of these guys will be raiding/murdering for food, increasing their chances of dying daily because they have to engage with others just to fill their bellies. Most would be better off securing their land with traps/mines, having sufficient defensive gear (and bodies to defend), and putting most emphasis on food production.
Dude. With cheap thermal, I mean relatively cheap for someone that works for a living, I can see the TRACKS of my dogs around the yard. Like tracker perk, COD style. It’s awesome.
may i ask what thermal and how much did it cost?
I’m interested too
Same here
@@programix8432
Idk what OP is running, but I'm running the Trijicon REAP 35mm Type 3, and I can see fresh tracks. I got it for $7k, usually runs around 8k but it's military grade. You can get civilian brands for as low as $2,500. I like durability though and the REAP is built as tough as an ACOG, I could throw it against a wall and nothing will happen, the $2,500 ones are a different story on durability.
And me so you better answer us Wiley! Haha
Drones with thermal are cheap like 500$, so you standing with your fancy tripod and rifle and thermal scope is gonna get you clapped by 3 pounds of tannerite with a blasting cap from a nerd 2 miles away…
The ole reliable socks and sandals drone operator
Only issues with thermal is battery life and you can't use laser aiming or see through an optic. Ofcourse this issue is only while it's Helmet mounted. Pvs-14 last 40 hours+ on a single AA. While thermal lasts 3 hours on a 18650 battery. Logistically, that's not very good. But thermal capabilities are amazing. If they can get the energy right, that would be awesome.
When using throw away batteries yes thermals suck but i use a rechargeable battery pack that will last 4-5 nights of coyote hunting
Watch Garand Thumb's latest video with the Ukraine war vets on it covering their experiences. #1 was using an IR laser (such as for aiming) will get you killed. Passive aiming only over there.
@@fallout1116 I'm actually watching that rn. 🤣
Most modern thermals allow you to plug into a battery pack with usbc. So you could theoretically plug a nox-18 into a power pack that'd normally be used to charge phones and get 2+ weeks out of it before having to plug in another power pack.
The one thing I remember from the military is that when a parachute parameter flare goes off, it won't matter what night vision you are wearing. There are many methods to blanket a guard post from being spotted by thermal and night vision. They are a good tool but not full proof.
I watched a video of an isis sniper equiped with a thermal scope and a suppressor. They were shooting another rebel post at dawn while people were waking up. Truely scary stuff. He could see everyone and no one knew he was there.
NVGs for the head, thermal for the rifle
thats what i run but am thinking thermal headf unit now to and ditch the pvs 14
These videos have a lot more info than they appear to. Having over a decade of thermal and NVG experience watching the changes in both platforms has been amazing.
I feel bad for the guy who spilled his beer and fell down in the opening scene. I hope he has a spare beer in his kit.
Thermals work by utilizing a difference in temperature. If there's little to no difference or its beyond what the detector and processor can process, it'll show up uniform. Both the head mounted, and weapon mounted versions in this video show little to no terrain contrast. THAT'S what they mean when they say thermals are for spotting and NVGs are for fighting. When you're fighting, you're moving and maneuvering. Thermals can have a very distinct lack of detail and contrast with terrain as it can mostly all be at ambient and most details end up washed out or not showing up. The military prototyped several thermal sights for drivers of armored vehicles but ultimately gave up on it. In testing, drivers ended up hitting more things or getting stuck because they couldn't see the subtle gradients and terrain features that were prevalent under regular light or light amplification. Yes, you can use thermals in that pitch black warehouse and your target will stand out like a sore thumb. The issue though is that all of the other crap inside of that warehouse that's been sitting at ambient temperature for hours will not be visible to you until your or their body heat has heated them up enough to generate contrast to see said objects. And only then, you'd only see fairly close objects as the stuff further away than a handful of feet wouldn't have heated up enough to be rendered. You'd still have to move slowly and carefully to give your body heat enough time to heat things up around you to just above ambient and the material properties and different rates of heating/cooling to take effect to create a gradient and contrast.
The primary purpose for NVGs in night fighting has always been for navigation and safety first, spotting and engaging an ill-prepared enemy second. It's also one of the primary reasons people bridge their sights if using a combo system. They move under the NVGs and spot with the thermals. I've tried moving with thermals and it's still a relatively clumsy affair, especially with areas of relatively high ambient temperatures. The other issue with thermals is their digital nature. You're initially limited by framerate and resolution on cheaper models and soon, thermals are going to be hitting a thermal barrier that'll stop the tech dead in its tracks. Thermals need a processor to convert the data taken in by the detector into a visual image. The biggest thing that's put a damper on consumer thermals hasn't been contrast but processing power. It was evident in the scoped version presented in this very video. Every time the rifle fired, the scope dropped frames as the processor had to catch up to render the vastly different image from what it just had less than a second ago. These processors save resources by rendering only what's different or changes between previous frames. When most of what a frame changes, the processor consumes more resources/power in order to render the next frame as well as the next frame after that which goes back to a more normal state. So you end up with a stuttering image and lag which can really mess with a person's situational awareness. To combat this, thermals will need more powerful processors and memory to process more data in as short amount of time as possible. The issue we're running into now is that we're hitting the thermal limit as to what these processors can handle on passive cooling in the size that we're forcing them to be in. If individual use thermals want to get better and more powerful, they're going to be needing active cooling for the electronics. If they stay passive, ironically, those with lower gen thermals will be better able to detect those with newer gen thermals easier as the newer gen stuff will be venting more heat into the environment to cool the electronics off through passive means.
This is still then, the crux of the issue with thermals at the levels of a person. The thermals used on the large, aircraft sized drones utilize active cooling of the electronics and detector to skyrocket the temperature differential that they're able to detect. A drone in the sky with thermals would be able to detect the heat signature given off by the thermals you wear from a distance beyond which you could see that drone. Something like a Predator drone has the sensitivity to already do such things and it's been around for over a decade. The reason why you don't see as much movement in Ukraine at night is that both sides of the conflict are using much more powerful thermals in flying platforms that go beyond the visual range of what's available to infantryman. Targeting pods from the 80s and 90s can differentiate man-sized targets from 20-30 miles away easily using their thermal modes. This is one of the reasons why it's always been thought of that SOF becomes far less effective against near-peer adversaries.
Great Write & Great Read!
Excellent knowledge exchange - thank you!
Love that you're also a Pennsylvanian! After 13yrs abroad, I was proud to recently repatriate and come back here to PA.
Welcome back! And thank you 👊👊
what was one (or five) things you didnt realize you missed until coming back?
Great video. Very well articulated. And your points were spot on. Keep them coming
I had PSQ-20s in Afghanistan. Ill tell you i felt like the preditor while I was there at night. You know you have become the monster in the story when you pray for the night.
You see me with your thermal and say you know me. What’s my favorite ice cream?
Vanilla. Because you’re basic. ☺️
@@TATargets that was a basic vanilla guess and wrong. Think darker
He cant see your ice cream because it's too cold and he's looking through thermal
Heck yeah, Dude! This is the way I've been leaning as well. I'll have to check your stuff out. I've been wanting to get into thermal scopes lately.
No doubt . Have a backup though . Microcircuits hate recoil , heat , water , dust , temp changes , barking dogs …
Just remember, EVERY GUN TUBER says your all screwed. AND uncle Joe says that fighter jet will blow your lungs out jack !!!
So what is it, are fighter jets so overpowered people with guns will have no chance against the government...or did people without guns almost take over the government on jan 6??
Wrong, he was talking about some round that blows the lungs out...don't care enuff to look up the exact blunder.
Good stuff. Thank you for taking the time to make excellent videos!
What Garand Thumb said is that for sneaking,creeping, and stalking, you need NVG because you see terrain features/issues better. For targeting, you need thermal so you can see the targets before you accidentally trip over them.
You should own both capabilities. The only downside to Thermal is how fast it eats up batteries. Even with a Battery Pack, NV will last longer than Thermals for continuous prolonged usage. You should honestly be walking around with NV but periodically scan with Thermals and also every time you transition terrain.
Fellow PA Patriot here. New subscriber. 100% on board with your 7 Fs
The biggest and most considerable improvement has to be affordability and accessibility.....otherwise you're dumbing thousands on gear and no money to buy ammo to train.
This felt like the equivalent of a car dealership trying to tell me i NEED a Ferrari
Guess you don’t need one then 🤷🏻♂️
@@TATargets But do i want one :D YES
Because if the enemy has a Ferrari, and you don't, your female is fucked.
Their point is: if you're going to race, you probably need a fast car or you're going to get smoked.
@@jefforymerten9613 But we don't even know what the track is going to look like lol. It might be a rally track. I'll buy the most efficient car that can almost do it all. Im not garand thumb and using thermal in Air Soft fights lol
First 40 seconds sounds like my wife when I get home from a late night run to the store
Just be aware of thermal battery runtime. It’s lower than what manufacturers list. Even if it meets manufacturer specs, many units battery runtime will not last the night
then carry more lmao
@@favkisnexerade not practical
@@donh1572 Really? How heavy is a handful of 18650s dude?....
@@Shrouded_reaper do you even operate?
I love this style of videos ! Your showing what your doing and justifying what you’re saying while down range
Great discussion. I stumbled upon this video when researching thermal optics.
You just earned a sub from me!
The IR from "Night Vision" will get you killed quicker than thermal. Just sayin'. For the NVG bois.
It’s a literal lighthouse, hahaha
It get what you said there. Truth. In a peer to peer scenario it does not pay to turn myself into a car lot advertisement LIGHT BLEAM.
What kind of maroon uses a light on it, though? That's like being a submarine and pinging active sonar all over the place in hostile waters. Ofc you're going to get sunk.
@@manictiger because in NL5 scenarios/extreme darkness/canopy/no starlight NV doesn’t do anything but sparkle. You’ll absolutely need supplemental IR in those situations. And it gives you away immediately. Then bubba with his SKS and $2K pulsar can clap you.
@@TATargets
What are your credentials? Green Beret? SEAL?
Thermal does not see through glass, I was outside one night at my house looking through my thermal. After I quit looking through it I noticed my neighbor was sitting in her car right next to me. She must think I'm crazy.
Can you test looking at a person lying under a space blanket, not wrapped in it but strung up like a tent
I have to commend you! You did a excellent job presenting this extremely informative and valuable information to us in this video!! Job well done, young sir! Thank you for the detailed information!!!
It'll forever amuse me that dudes with the best full auto belt feds, best armor money can buy, and hand made guille suits. Those guys can be turned into paint by one fucker with a muzzleloader and a thermal scope
CONSOOM. YOU NEED TO CONSOOM OR YOURE NOT READY. CONSOOM.
Once again, great video!!!
Thank you!!
In a real SHTF scenario, night vision is just a tool to help you defend yourself IF you get caught at night. I wouldn’t rely on it.
What we really need is a company who makes it their business to make this stuff affordable to normal peeps.
Maybe just me, but I prefer my advertisements with less fear mongering and more merit based points.
Interesting
Saving money now for the L6. $500 a month, I’ll have it in 6 months or so.
Thanks for making this content and for your mission!
showing the different thermal models views/resolutions was exactly what I was looking for!
We tried to cover all the bases with this video and keep it basic and easy to watch/follow.
A perfect example of why you should have your hot water heater serviced by a professional...
He was serviced by a professional.
@@TATargets CIA Heating and air?
It’s just water heater not hot water heater
@clanlan505 fuk=me m8... call it whatever you want. You can call it a kettle for all i care ...quick question m8, does it heat water, and can it go boom? What a knob!
What a coincidence you sell these products.
We sell products, employ Americans, invest in our community, and fund cultural revival. You should desire to see profitable companies returning that money into culture.
I absolutely loved this video it was pure content no bs or hype just facts and reality thank 🙏
That warm water bottle the dude is holding 0:45 😂looks good
If I were actually doing night operations, I would spend a few thousand dollars for equipment. But since I just like to shoot guns at a range during the day, I'd rather pay the mortgage and be able to buy groceries.
very cool story
It sounds like maybe you should be watching UA-cam videos on skeet shooting competitions?
The intro reminded me of the netflix show “You” 😂😂
dude that opening kill was better than a lot of movies I've seen. epic film making
This is literally one of the most amazing videos pertaining to thermal I ever seen
The floating jellyfish and the predator agree.
PVS-14 on articulating J-arm and a rifle mounted thermal, sound like my ideal setup. I imagine trying to walk under just a thermal would suck.
Yes this right here. For the dollars spent use the NV for navigation and movement. Use the thermal to find and kill enemies. I can even drive my truck with NV or sprint in technical terrain. That’s not really a thing with Thermal. But dang can I see more with thermal just have both. Balance is where it’s at. However if I was going to purchase only one I’d go thermal device for my weapon.
I only have a thermal scope but navigation would not be an issue with a 1x monocular
@@midwestbd7144you are not doing any dynamic movement or driving with a thermal unless it’s fusion
@@midwestbd7144yes, it is. Lag and the heat signature of the ground makes it way worse than NV.
I have a thermal with swappable power lenses. I can walk with the 1x base magnification lens no problem. Just like using my PVS-14. The resolution and clarity is better with the thermal than my PVS-14 (OMNI-8 aviation grade L3 filmless). The reason the PVS14 wins for navigation for me is more because of miniscule/microscopic lag messing with my head over extended periods of time, and shutter NUC interruptions than anything else. But its 100% doable. Set the thermal to black hot, and its just like walking with a black and white TV showing you a daytime version of the world around you.
Straight up info ty.
Just got turned on to y’all, and thanks for the video, super helpful, and I love your mission
You need thermal... And I'm selling thermal... WHAT A COINCIDENCE😂😂😂
The thing about thermal is that you can hide your thermal signature significant with just a space blanket from Walmart for like 5 bucks…seen it first hand the afghans used it against us in 2012
Sure you can hide your heat signature, but you also see a giant tarp reflecting all the heat so its a big square that is much cooler than the surroundings. I have a decent pair of thermals, and if you know what to look for you can find things that would be used to hide. Also if you so much as touch the blanket in any way that heat will bleed through and give you away.
@@EQ_EnchantX yeah it’s more like for say someone on a guard tower…as you slowly creep towards them maybe 100 meters within target and if you can plant two machines guns so they can sing and one bounding unit you can definitely advance on any target…this is thermals back in 2011-2012 so I am sure they improved a ton in over 10+ years time.
@@EQ_EnchantX this goes without saying that you low crawl to your firing position and it would take hours…and that you have a squad size element at a minimum.
@@StuartBailey-re4mh I wonder how that looks thermal signature wise. The only combatant experience wise I have is worth insurgence.
Hello from Lancaster, Pa!!! Thanks for the video!
Thermal for spotting
Night vision for navigation
Have a somewhat new 640T autel enterprise thermal drone, it is definitely a game changer, but it and all other thermals have some serious drawbacks when you have mother nature against you. Fog, mirage, rain, snow, etc can play hell on what you are looking at. I often find myself needing to go back to visible just to navigate through it and spotting prey is definitely iffy at best in bad conditions. I've messed with the cotis and some older PAS-13s and they are nice as-well.
But like you said, technology is advancing at an exponential rate and the prices are inverse that and I'm all for it. Love seeing 16k usd units 5 years ago be worth half that now.
there are some downsides to thermal as well, its misleading that you didnt mention them. Thermal can not see through glass and water. it also requires NUC every minute or so which can leave you vulnerable. and there is also a delay caused by the time it takes to process the information the sensor receives. There is also a learning curve involved to actually using them properly and making sense of what you are seeing. Considering the price of thermal is 10x what NV costs, it would be best to have NV in addition to thermal since you can obviously afford both if you have thermal.
Guns. Night vision. Thermal. ....and ethics and values. I subscribed. Respect from Australia.
Great information. I especially loved the massage at the end.
You got a "happy ending"?
This perfectly encapsulates what Sun Tzu meant when he said "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." The thermal user here knows his capabilities and those of his enemy. The NOD user knows his capabilities but has become overconfident and doesn't know his enemy. Because the thermal users knows both, he can choose the hundred battles he need not fear.
Too bad thermal is infinitely past my budget capability, just cause I'm disabled don't mean I have any less a right to be prepared than the rest a y'all. Stay safe, stay alert, stay alive, and stay armed.
Work some jobs under the table(this is not legal advice)
*Pertentous violin music continues*
"My confidence in thermal then gets me killed by someone casually sitting behind a thin piece of glass ."
Incredible video. I sent the link to one of my more elitist friends and he instantly replied, "thermal is for stationary only." Told him he needs to watch the video, still waiting for him to say something.
I wish you guys would have a "bundle package" of the entire helmet dual thermal tube setup for sale instead of piecing it together through the website.
Lots of people have a different opinion of what “affordable “ is
Night vision is just a tool, to the person who is experience using them. Anyone can buy Nods and have them but its the person who is using them.
I love that thermals are 1/6th the price of night vision yet 10x more powerful.
Good stuff. Eye opening! Thanks.
First of all it's situational. Reflex optics will not work with thermals, but you can bet most companies have NV modes on their reflex optics. If you are engaging targets located in a building you're better off with both options as many things like windows become opaque to thermals but can be seen through with nightvision. There are also a few other scenarios in which thermals cannot be easily seen through like certain fogs and smokes, any surface that reflects IR but not other wavelengths can become confusing to look at and make identification difficult, and using solely thermals can play with your depth perception. Second of all with the widespread adoption of thermals there are significant advances being made in thermal camouflage, especially in places like Ukraine. This is like the NV-compliance gear that's becoming widespread because NV is now well within the price range of consumers. Lastly NV vs thermal glass at any real magnification is nowhere close in price so weapon mounted options are cheaper for NV.
I don't have any evidence off-hand but I'm wiling to bet battery life significantly tips in favor of NV over thermals as well, someone else will have to chime in. Accelerating photons to light up a phosphor is probably a lot less battery intensive than running a thermal camera which is probably more like a mini-computer.
Thermals are a great capability but they require some thought. The "thermals are the best and you'll get un-alived by them" thought process is exactly the same process everyone went through when NV hit the market, they thought using it meant you were untouchable; we have practical examples of certain ongoing conflicts where that isn't true. But hey, seeing where your buddy recently took a piss at night is pretty neat.
Is thermal still unable to see through glass (car/home windows, office buildings, etc.)? Last I heard that was the primary advantage to NV over thermal. Urban environments advantage nods, rural advantage thermal. Either way, we should have both. Been looking to add a thermal monocular to my pvs14 that can clip in front of the LPVO. RH25 is the goal.
Most thermal cannot, some can. That’s why ultimately fusion is the answer. For now it’s dual band systems like a bridged 14 and a thermal. Email us if you want to get into that RH25. We have them in stock at Arkayne
@@TATargetswhat thermal can? Or are you talking about SWIR?
@TATargets kicking myself for not grabbing one when it was 4k on your site :/ I'll be in a position to snag one next month from you guys.
@jonbartholomew3955 check out the ST6 price 👊👊
@@TATargets yeah man that's a steal for sure. Clip on capable?
Been a long time since I’ve watched a video on UA-cam that has been this influential. Real Talk.
during my training as a firefighter I used a thermal vision camera to search a body in a room with fog thick to the point where you don’t see shit even with a lamp. When looking through the camera you not only see heat sources but every object in the room with crystal clear edges 👌🏼
Dude is really trying to sell thermals lol
“Dude” is spending $20K to make a video in hopes of impacting people and opening peoples eyes.
We don’t care if you don’t buy anything from us.
@@TATargets Don't get your panties all bunched up Mr Salesman I know what an attempt to get a return on an investment looks like.
Are you at least slinging American products or are you peddling overpriced Chinese trash for Xi?
@@TATargets you’ve never been in an actual combat scenario with thermals sit down
buy anti thermal suits from pro apto camoflauge
It won’t save you
Not doing squat
@@TATargets why wouldn't it save you? it heavily mitigates your thermal signature
@@jonathonvince561 what's not doing squat
@@callsignjoker2686he means he skips leg day.
Garand Thumb said it best. “If you don’t have thermals, you’ll die to someone who does” 😂
Awesome video! Really really good. I don't know what else to say... Just... Awesome video
That intro was pure cringe, like a sequel to the Navy SEAL copypasta.
What do you expect from civilian LARPERS
am i the only one who is not happy with blatantly click-baity, and misleading title?
These vet bro yt channels/businesses are cringe af. Larping as an operator is funny to me.
Just dislike the video and don’t recommend the channel.
@@Cogzed you mean just like you could have disliked my comment and moved on?
@@garblehose no. Because I like peoples comments that have value. So just like I liked your comment. But I disliked the video and turned on doing recommend this channel. And then moved on. 😂👍🏽🏆
Thermal has come a long way and improving every year at the rate it is improving it won't be long till it is perfectly clear, and in full color! Can't wait till I can afford a set of thermal nods
The dudes walking out in the middle of the open when cover is not far on both sides 😂