A conspiracy fan/liar attempted to filibuster with lies. The shots HAVE been duplicated, several times, including on film. Search UA-cam for "oswalds shots replicated" and you'll see Dan rather narrating a segment where they approached several men at a shooting range, none familiar with the carcano, none permitted to test fire it, fired at a moving target from an elevated position. Several were able to score 2 hits in the same time, one guy got 3 hits, even better than Oswald did. It was an 88 yard shot. Stop pretending this was some amazing marksmanship.
The shots have never been duplicated in that environment. The test that was done on CBS was not an equivalent. I took the same Marine rifle training that Oswald did and by that training we would have taken the shot on Houston not Elm. That does not say that Oswald did not do it, but for a single shooter, the Houston shot makes more sense. He may have had a number of reasons for waiting, we will never know.
@joenazaro5962 that's a little silly. "In that environment"? Did they do it FROM the TSBDB? NO. Did they do it from a platform the same elevation as the 6th floor at a moving target the same distance? Yes. Several times, many different shooters. It was an 88 yard shot. You may have decided to do it from another position, but you could have made those shots. Thanks for watching.
I disagree.. The key to the plan was waiting until the limo to tuned onto Elm, because then it’s trapped, and the driver has one option… Drive through the kill zone.. Other advantages too, the target is obstructed on Houston, and unobstructed on Elm.. The protection is confused.. Attacking on Houston would most likely bring immediate return fire, and limit your opportunity.. But most importantly, the driver has option on Houston, and only one option on Elm.. Oswald was a trained marine… He knew what he was doing..
James Ballard Like many things, it depends. an 88 yard target is very close and child's play. The "closer" shot is more complicated, because, although the distance is shorter, the target is moving left to right, and this movement must be compensated for. simply, the target is moving side to side, so to hit it you need to put the bullet where the target will be When the bullet gets there, Not where the target is when you pull the trigger. lead is harder to compensate for than distance. the knoll shot is far more difficult than the window shot.
Sir, Would a trained assassin rather shoot thru a window at less than 100yards to miss a General sitting at his desk because he hit the window frame or would he rather fire at a target moving away and downhill from him and hit it 3 times with deadly accuracy?
+James Ballard Had Oswald fired before the turn onto Elm, the secret service would have seen him and RETURNED FIRE! Also, the secret service and law enforcement would have stormed the building and Oswald would not have been able to get out!!!! Oswald waited to fire because he was less likely to be seen, and had a better chance to escape!!! Also, the shot down Elm was even easier than if he fired at the limo moving towards him! It was an easier shot to line-up!
@@maldaley235 He only hit his target twice. The first shot missed, second struck JFK in the back, third(which nearly missed) was the fatal shot. Oswald had all the time he needed to accomplish his mission. Not "6 seconds", he had a little over 8 and a half seconds.
Howard Brennan did not identify Oswald in the 6th floor window. Howard stated he seen a man with brown hair,5'10", 165 lbs, and with a 30/30 rifle. Howard correctly identified the average man but he also incorrectly identified the rifle as a 30/30 which is a lever action. Oswald was 5'6" and 135lbs and the carcano was bolt action. Howard's testimony in a court of law would have equated to not much at all and certainly would not have implicated Oswald. The police line up of Oswald was bogus too. You can't put a guy in a line up with a mouse over one eye, tattered clothes and with other people wearing suits. Most of which were cops. Laughable! There is a miss that struck the manhole cover on the opposite side of the street from the grassy knoll. FBI agent Barrett recovered the round and it was never seen again but picture and eyewitnesses from the sheriff's office report this and photos taken of him picking it up and putting it in his pocket. This missed round did not and could not have came from the TSBD. It came from the top of the county records building. It's still there for all the world to see today. The actual shooter on the records building can actually be seen in the sprocket hole information of the Zapruder film. Leroy Blevins has a video to point this out for you so you can see for yourself. I don't agree with Leroy on much but it was a good find all the same. Oswald was seen in the lobby 10-15 minutes prior to the assassination getting change from the receptionist on the 1st floor. Sort of odd if you were planning on shooting someone. What is really odd is that he would not have had any idea that the motorcade was running behind by 10 minutes because they were scheduled to be at the trade mart @ 12:30 but didn't arrive to Dealey Plaza til 12:30. It's another 10 minutes to the trade mart at motorcade speed. Immediately after the last heard shot was fired, Sandra Styles and Victoria Adams went from the windows of the 4th floor to the stairwell and proceeded to the street. Their boss, Dorothy Garner stood in the stairwell and watched the ladies go down the stairs out of sight and the next two people she seen was Baker and Truly coming up the stairs. Oswald never passed any of these ladies because he was on the 2nd floor drinking a Dr. Pepper. The Girl on the Stairs by Barry Ernest tells the story in its entirety. Humes never performed an autopsy on a gunshot wound prior to Kennedy and neither had Boswell. Pierre Finck was the only real knowledgeable pathologist there but he got to the autopsy late and every time that he inquired about a wound, some general would pull him off to the side and start asking him questions. Finck got aggravated at this because they kept him from being an active participant in the autopsy. Read Finck's Warren Commission testimony to see that I am not BS'ing you. Anyways, I hope you actually become a student of the assassination. Spouting incorrect facts whether for or against the lone nut or conspiracy should be refrained from because it just makes you look stupid and ill informed. It becomes even worse when you start calling everyone that disagrees with you names like asshole or dickhead. Oh, and by the way, you are not the only person on here that is a sharpshooter or weapons expert. There is no way to verify your gloating statements and frankly, with today's optics and weapons, 900 yrds might as well be 88yrds....I mean Oswald used a junk rifle that the scope was off so bad that the FBI had to shim it to put shots on target to test it. Now, that is some serious ass shooting right there. The scope was offset mount but then why have a scope on a fixed front sight rifle if you weren't going to use it? Study up friend!
Wrong. Brennans id of oswald is what led, directly, to officer Tippett stopping him. It was broadcast on the dallas pd radio. Your claim that in a court of law, his description wouldn't mean much, thats rank speculation, and the mountain of evidence against oswald was plenty to convict him. Vincent Bugliosi, who, unlike you, has actually prosecuted murder cases, evaluated the evidence and said there was more solid evidence that pointed directly at oswald than in any case he ever worked. Do yourself a favor and read his book. Ive read the warren report, and several other well written books, including bugliosis book. He destroys the conspiracy nonsense, methodically and with citations to the evidence. Oswald was never seen with a dr pepper, thats urban legend that you simply repeat like a robot. He was in the doorway to the lunchroom with nothing in his hand, and its less than a 90 second walk from where Oswald shot to the anteroom. Do yourself a favor and learn the evidence.
fiddlefolk You are an IMBECILE. Oswalds description was broadcast on the Dallas PD net, and Tippett stopped him based on that description. Your "patsy" them murdered Tippett in front of about 12 people who saw some or all of the murder. Go sell bullshit somewhere else, kid.
Lane is a bigger idiot than you are. Hes a charlatan. Twelve people saw oswald shoot Tippett, or saw him run towrds him, heard gunfire,,amd run away. You're a typical fingers in the ears conspiratard.
No, you're a dumbass who doesnt understand what the evidence is, or what it means. Youre a cherry picking conspiratard who decided that he will believe in ANYTHING, as long as Oswald is innocent.
fiddlefolk you're a simple minded fuckhesa who lacks critical thinking skills. Here's a tip, dumbass, slapping quotes on proof doesn't erase evidence, you fucking moron.
Thanks for the detailed video! At 5:52 to 6:15 you mentioned it is a doable shot. Agreed but I don't see how Oswald could possibly have got another accurate final head-shot with a bolt action rifle. That is one of the main reasons I believe Oswald did not assassinate JKF
He had nine seconds to work the bolt twice and shoot twice. The timer doesnt even start until he fires the first shot. Its been duplicated many times. Its quick but not overly fast.
@@citadelgrad87 - i have never seen a video of an actual scale model of Daley Plaza, target moving, exact height of 6th floor etc, with bolt action rifle. Seems a remote scale model could be built somewhere and if all shots the same as Oswald's, would be allot of conspiracy theorists (including me) beliefs to rest. Please share video if you have seen assassination model to scale with moving target, bolt action rifle etc reproduced. TY
@@Davelakful Of course. you can find it right here on UA-cam. ua-cam.com/video/ghmY6HmR4fs/v-deo.html. Dan Rather narrates. One guy was able to make THREE shots, several made 2 in the time alotted. Same rifle, same sight, 11 guys. None was permitted a practice run on the scenario.
What do you say about Dr. McClellan who was in the emergency room within inches of the president , believes the head shot came from the front? Especially after he saw Zepruder film.
The doctors never lifted the president to examine his back. His hair and face would have been totally caked in blood. As a trauma surgeon I can tell you its impossible to tell what’s going on when a victim has a headshot.
I've read through the comments and gather that you believe LHO was the only shooter. If you buy into the LHO 'lone gunman' theory, and only three shots, then explain (please) a few things. I'm not trolling, I would genuinely like to know how you reconcile these things. 1) Connally's own statement about being shot (paraphrased a bit): 'It felt like I was hit in the back with a balled up fist. It threw me forward in the seat.' We see this happen just a split second AFTER the head shot in the Zapruder film. If the bullet that hit Kennedy in the back and went through his throat ALSO is the bullet that hit Connally, we would see his reaction happen right after the limo passes the sign (where JFK grabs his throat). Connally turns around, looks to his right, then the head shot, then Connally appears to be hit. If the head shot round fragmented and went all over the limo, it couldn't have hit Connally. It also appears that the throat shot didn't hit Connally either. The source you quoted below (mcadams.posc.mu.edu/limo.htm) states "The last two shots were separated by about .744 of a second (or about 13.6 Zapruder frames)" That's roughly the elapsed time on the Z-film between the headshot and Connally's reaction to being shot.. LHO could not have gotten off two shots in such rapid succession with his rifle. And why would he have done so? The head shot had already done the job on Kennedy. 2) The drawings that were made to show the angle of the bullet that created JFK's back/neck wound all show him leaned forward at an angle. (There's a drawing such as this on the JFK autopsy Wiki page, for quick reference.) Having his upper torso leaned forward is the only way this shot is possible (as the bullet entered at roughly the same height on his back as it exited from his throat.) The problem is that we see Kennedy (in the Z-film) sitting quite upright and waving at the crowd when he grabs his throat. Sitting straight up as he was, a shot from above on a downward angle into his upper back would have exited much lower than his throat. The only way this wound makes sense is a shot fired from a much lower elevation. 3) The windshield. Whether it was a crack or a hole (as many witnesses described), whether it came from the front or back, it is still an extra round that must be accounted for. As must the round that hit the chrome trim on the top of the windshield. Although your source states that the 'last round fired' hit Connally in the wrist, went into the windshield, bounced off into the rear-view mirror and into the trim, while at the same time wounding bystander James Tague who was quite a distance from the limo. I think that's ridiculous, but even taken at face value, that's a third bullet (if you buy the magic bullet theory). So, let's count. 1 round to the throat (that couldn't have hit Connally, based on his own description and his reaction on the Z-film). 1 head shot. 1 shot to Connally's back just after the head shot. 1 round caused damage to the limo. 1 round hit the curb in front of James Tague (standing at the entrance to the overpass). Even if you remove one shot by claiming the headshot bullet also did the damage to the limo, that's still four, which is what the HSCA found. 4) If the head shot came from the rear, why did nearly everyone at Parkland describe a huge gaping hole in the back of JFK's head? Even making sketches of it as such. Either all of these trauma practitioners were wrong (highly unlikely), or the round came from the front. Why was a piece of the back of JFK's skull (coming from an area of the skull fitting exactly the location of the gaping hole described by the MD's at Parkland) found in the median? Why did SS agent Sam Kinney state he 'saw the back of JFK's head come off immediately' when the fatal shot was inflicted? (Source: mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/skullfragments.html) Either all these people are mistaken, and the bone fragment was from someone else, or the autopsy photo of the small bullet hole in the (completely intact) back of JFK's head are, um, inaccurate.
All four of your points are extremely flawed and mostly just plain untrue, so nothing needs to be reconciled with them. Sigh. If you get the facts straight, then you find those things do not have to reconciled with anything.
@@peterfraser9070 No, my points are based on well-documented and factual evidence, along with a basic understanding of physics and the ability to count.
I have been to all the areas in Dealey plaza that are shown in this video. From the point behind the fence where poster shot that segment of the video, the fence extends to his right towards the train bridge. As you move away from the the point where the video was shot the distance away from bystanders increases. Also the angle of a shot to the street would come more from the front right of the limo and less perpendicular, which would have put Mrs. Kennedy less in the line of fire.
Wrong. First, kid, “20” doctors did NOT examine him, it was an emergency room, not a crowded club. There were only a handful. Second, kid, NONE of them even bothered to turn him over. Not one. They never looked at the back of his head. Xrays and plain film prove to a 100% certainty, through beveling fractures of the skull, a 100% reliable indicator of the direction of gunfire, it was a rear shot. Third, these doctors agreed, every one of them, that the autopsy photos matched what they saw: In 1988, Public Broadcasting's NOVA got permission to show the Parkland doctors the original autopsy photos and x-rays in the National Archives. They were allowed as much time as they wished to view the materials, and then their reactions were filmed. Richard Dulaney "I don't see evidence of any alteration of his wound in these pictures from what I saw in the emergency room." Marion Jenkins "Nothing that I've seen would make me think it had been changed from what happened that day." Robert McClelland "I find no discrepancy between the wounds as they're shown very vividly in these photographs and what I remember very vividly . . . " Paul Peters "Looking at these photos, they're pretty much as I remember President Kennedy at the time." Peters then mentions one minor discrepancy -- a small incision that he believes the autopsy doctors made while removing the brain.
@@citadelgrad87 well dipshit you need to go do some more research because 20 doctors did infact say it was a frontal shot, including the head of surgery that day . They didn’t have to turn him over idiot, his brains were falling out the back of his head and on the bed.
I am so glad to see a view from behind the fence. I dont think there is anywhere behind that fence that a person could have stood and shot JFK straight through the right side of his face. There's no way. As you said, he was not shot from the side. The bullet traveled straight through. How could it be possible from behind the fence and with him already slouching towards Jackie. That eliminates Alotta the conspiracy gibberish which is just big business. There was people sittin in the car, people standing at the bottom of the stairs and a windshield in the way also hah. I mean the shooter would have to hang his gun out over the fence into the middle of ELM street to shoot him straight on. NOTICE noone has ever done or will ever do a shot trajectory video from the fence. It would be game over for all conspiracy stuff.
Agree, from behind the fence you'd need to be 7 feet tall or on a ladder and then where did this bullet end up? All bullet fragments in the limo were found forward of the jump seats which lines up with the head shot coming from the rear.
Oswald had very easy shots and took those shots. The first shot that hit Kennedy in the neck, was from behind. Doctors have said that. The fatal shot was close as well. No one fired a shot from the Grassy Knoll. It would have been an easy bullseye from there, but the escape routes were closed. I have been there too.
CitadelGrad : tell me this. If you believe that LHO was the only shooter, then you believe the theory that only 3 shots were fired. Tell me please how can you account for the #1 Throat shot, #2 the missed shot that hit concrete and hit Tague in the face with shrapnel concrete, #3 the limo windshield shot, #4 the limo stainless steel header shot, #5 the Stemmons sign that had multiple bullet holes, #6 the fatal head shot. Note : I'm not even counting supposed other shots that hit Connelly and the road sign. If you are going to put out a video of the area and take the time to show us the "lay of the land", then please gets some of your facts straight before you post the craziness of the Warren Comm in your verbal "take". 3 shots indeed....
Show me evidence that there are any holes in the stennis sign. A dated photo showing none the day before and holes shortly after would be fine. I suggest YOU get your facts straight, sir. Lets start with the "ear" witnesses. The vast majority of people who claim to have heard shots, 81%, say there were three shots. Only 5% of the people who said they knew how many shots were fired heard "four or more". Additionally, more than half of the people who heard shots said they came fromTSBDB, under half said grassy knoll. But, again, only 5% said they heard shots from two directions. As difficult as it is to determine the direction of gunfire, particularly in a man made canyon like Dealey, its relatively easy to tell that two different guns are shooting from different places. Plus, of course, there is the overwhelming number that say only three shots were fired. What is your method for discounting 81% of the witnesses? Source mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shots.htm As to the shots/damage you want me to account for, my opinion on the order of shots is the first shot missed the limo, and is the shot that hit the curb and likely the cheek of the guy downrange that was slightly bleeding. If I recall correctly, someone else told him he was bleeding, he didn’t know he had been hit. Shot #2 hit JFK in the upper back, exited the throat going forward. We know this shot was traveling from back front for several reasons: Connelly was in the way for a central shot into JFK from the front, no one else in the car but Connelly was hit, Connelly said the shots came from above and behind, there was no shot through the windshield (your claim is false. The windshield was cracked from the later headshot bullet that fragmented, its been photographed an is, in fact, still sitting in the national archives, it was cracked but not penetrated, if you disagree, show me a photo showing a bullet hole through the windshield, there isnt one, but there ARE photos of the windshield just cracked), and you cant hit JFK in the throat without going through both the windshield and Connelly. So Connelly absolutely was not hit from the front, even though he was in the way, and jfk was hit by a bullet going back to front that left his body going forward and down. The windshield was cracked but thus was a fragment, but this throat shot left intact. No one else and nothing else in the car was hit by an intact round moving forward and slowed by having passed through JFK. Except Connelly, who had an oblong, NOT round, entrance wound in his upper back. That indicates a round that is slowing and starting to yaw, unlike the neat round hole the round made in JFKs upper back, exactly how a heavy jacketed round acts after it already passed through another body. It is indisputable that for all the nonsense “eleven wounds” crap, Connelly’s back, chest, nicked rib, wrist and leg wounds were all from the same shot. So he got hit from the back, but JFK was in the way of someone hitting him from the back, and JFK had a bullet leave from his body moving forward and down, and nobody but Connelly was hit. That’s two shots. The last shot hit JFK in the back of the head and, just like the multiple shots to skulls filled with animal or simulated brains since, the heavy round yawed right away when it entered the semi liquid brain cavity, and because of the massive centrifugal force on the spinning round, came apart, fragmenting and traveling forward, with some fragments lodging in the floor mats up front, some hitting the windshield and trim There were no other shots fired that day, other than those fired by Oswald at officer JD Tippett when Oswald murdered him with a revolver in front of eleven people who saw some or all of the exchange and identified him in a line up later that day. Please don’t flit in here and tell me to learn the facts, ok? I know way more about this than you do, its not my "verbal take", its supported by all of the evidence.
For the dipshit James Crowetard, here is my answer AGAIN: Show me evidence that there are any holes in the stennis sign. A dated photo showing none the day before and holes shortly after would be fine. I suggest YOU get your facts straight, sir. Lets start with the "ear" witnesses. The vast majority of people who claim to have heard shots, 81%, say there were three shots. Only 5% of the people who said they knew how many shots were fired heard "four or more". Additionally, more than half of the people who heard shots said they came fromTSBDB, under half said grassy knoll. But, again, only 5% said they heard shots from two directions. As difficult as it is to determine the direction of gunfire, particularly in a man made canyon like Dealey, its relatively easy to tell that two different guns are shooting from different places. Plus, of course, there is the overwhelming number that say only three shots were fired. What is your method for discounting 81% of the witnesses? Source mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shots.htm As to the shots/damage you want me to account for, my opinion on the order of shots is the first shot missed the limo, and is the shot that hit the curb and likely the cheek of the guy downrange that was slightly bleeding. If I recall correctly, someone else told him he was bleeding, he didn’t know he had been hit. Shot #2 hit JFK in the upper back, exited the throat going forward. We know this shot was traveling from back front for several reasons: Connelly was in the way for a central shot into JFK from the front, no one else in the car but Connelly was hit, Connelly said the shots came from above and behind, there was no shot through the windshield (your claim is false. The windshield was cracked from the later headshot bullet that fragmented, its been photographed an is, in fact, still sitting in the national archives, it was cracked but not penetrated, if you disagree, show me a photo showing a bullet hole through the windshield, there isnt one, but there ARE photos of the windshield just cracked), and you cant hit JFK in the throat without going through both the windshield and Connelly. So Connelly absolutely was not hit from the front, even though he was in the way, and jfk was hit by a bullet going back to front that left his body going forward and down. The windshield was cracked but thus was a fragment, but this throat shot left intact. No one else and nothing else in the car was hit by an intact round moving forward and slowed by having passed through JFK. Except Connelly, who had an oblong, NOT round, entrance wound in his upper back. That indicates a round that is slowing and starting to yaw, unlike the neat round hole the round made in JFKs upper back, exactly how a heavy jacketed round acts after it already passed through another body. It is indisputable that for all the nonsense “eleven wounds” crap, Connelly’s back, chest, nicked rib, wrist and leg wounds were all from the same shot. So he got hit from the back, but JFK was in the way of someone hitting him from the back, and JFK had a bullet leave from his body moving forward and down, and nobody but Connelly was hit. That’s two shots. The last shot hit JFK in the back of the head and, just like the multiple shots to skulls filled with animal or simulated brains since, the heavy round yawed right away when it entered the semi liquid brain cavity, and because of the massive centrifugal force on the spinning round, came apart, fragmenting and traveling forward, with some fragments lodging in the floor mats up front, some hitting the windshield and trim There were no other shots fired that day, other than those fired by Oswald at officer JD Tippett when Oswald murdered him with a revolver in front of eleven people who saw some or all of the exchange and identified him in a line up later that day. Please don’t flit in here and tell me to learn the facts, ok? I know way more about this than you do, its not my "verbal take", its supported by all of the evidence. Show less
James crowtard bleats and whines about me calling names, then gets frustrated and instantly attacks my appearance. I guess you really aren't above it, fucktard. Typical coward internet douche. Fucking nutless, clueless, and gutless piece of shit.
Great video. Havent seen one like it in all my years of JFK research. Great common sense talk about a shooter on the knoll with a rifle firing just yards away from bystanders.
More than a few professional "trained snipers" have claimed that they couldn't duplicate Oswald's performance--and more than a few have actually demonstrated that they could under test conditions. I counter that most of those professionals would have opted for better rifle and ammo--that is IF they could be persuaded to shoot POTUS. An expert shot could have done the Oswald shots with a revolver from the southeast corner sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. Could have--using .38 Special 148-grain match wadcutters in a six-inch revolver with target sights. The PPC fired out to 60 yards back in the day. I have been shooting pistols at 50 yards, 75 yards, and 100 yards for forty years and results range from dismal to surprising--the surprise is that I managed to hit at all. Speaking of surprises, one evening when I was running my county's public rifle range a pair of archers showed up. The range was empty except for them, and I held the range open a few minutes late while they nailed 4-inch diameter bulls' eyes with their compound bows and target arrows out to 50 yards distance 100%. Firing speed is another issue. I'll confine this comment to accuracy because discussing time would take much more space. The shots were not impossible for a semi-skilled rifleman. A skilled sniper probably would have pulled off the assassination differently. No record of Private Lee Harvey Oswald being trained as a sniper has been revealed to the public.
My only question is, as you stated yourself, "the first shot was to the throat", how do you shoot a guy in the throat from behind? I enjoyed the video and hearing your opinion.
Thank you. It exited his throat. He was shot in the upper back, and the round came out through his tie, moving forward and down, and slowing as it struck Gov Connelly in the upper back. The entrance wound in JFK was a circle, but the entrance wound in Connelly was oblong, because the bullet had slowed and began to tumble.
I used to believe that the shot to JFK's throat came from behind. However, now that we have so many resources available, I have changed my mind. I definitely believe there was a triangulation of snipers on Elm Street. For the bullet to strike Kennedy in the back, several inches below the collar, from the sixth-floor window of the TSBD, then exit his throat? No, the angles just don't work. JFK would have had to be tying his shoe when he was hit for such a trajectory to make sense. Also, the doctors of Parkland ER saw gunshot wounds on almost a daily basis. They knew an entrance wound when they saw it. The claim that this shot came from the rear, and the ridiculous "magic bullet" theory are simply our government's efforts to hide its participation in the coup. Are you aware, CE399, the "pristine magic bullet" was "NEVER" identified by Parkland Hospital Senior Engineer, Darrell C. Tomlinson as the bullet he found near the gurney at Parkland? He, and three other witnesses stated that that the bullet they all saw and handled had a "POINTED TIP" not a "ROUNDED TIP" like the Carcano round, CE399. During Arlen Specter's (the sole creator of the the magic bullet theory) questioning of Tomlinson concerning the bullet he found, Specter never showed Tomlinson CE399, or even a photo of CE399. He never asked Tomlinson if this, CE399 was the bullet you found? He never asked Tomlinson to "describe" the bullet he found. The whole Warren Commision Report is based on this false evidence, CE399, as being the actual bullet Tomlinson found. The Warren Commision Report was nothing more than a government deception to the American people, about the "Coup of our President" carried out by the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, and the deep state. Pull up Arlen Specter's Warren Commission Deposition of Darrell C. Tomlinson. Five pages of detailed questions, of where, and how the bullet was found, but nothing about, "was this the bullet you found?"
@@mikefruge8589 wrong on all counts. Study up on sniping. Theres no such thing as a “triangulation of snipers”. Its idiotic. In the history of sniping, you cant come up with a single example of a team of two or more snipers assigned to shoot at the same target at the same time, for many reasons, primarily, its stupid. The IDEA of a sniper is one man, one rifle. They are fully capable of hitting their target, alone, at FAR greater range than the 88 yards here. Adding more than one shooter dramatically increases the odds that one is discovered but gives no better odds of success. It also creates a situation where the first one to pull the trigger causes a spoiler for the other shooters, because the target and security react to gunfire. Coordinating “simultaneous” shots ratchets up the difficulty for no additional gain. In this particular instance, you’ve got insurmountable physical proboems you can never overcome. The windshield was in the way of a frontal shot to JFK. So were two rows of passengers. The “ridiculous” single bullet FACT means that Connelly was literally masking Kennedy from the front. You could not hit jfk from the front at that instance without hitting Connelly. Also, the parkland doctors only thought it was an entrance wound because it was a neat hole. Thats it. They EXPECTED that the “other” hole was a larger exit wound, but no such wound existed anywhere on jfk’s body except over his right eye. Here’s the key. Oswald was firing heavy, jacketed military ball ammo. Its designed to penetrate, period. It does not create a large exit wound in most circumstances. Modern military ball ammo is much more likely to fragment and leave a large exit. Connely’s entry wound in his own back is shaped like an oval, or, more accurately, like a bullet that the Hulk threw at someone and it started to tumble. Because it WAS tumbling. The entry wound in jfks back is a perfect circle. That bullet entered there and drilled a neat hole, hitting no major bones, and traveling forward and down, exiting jfk and hitting Connelly as it had slowed because of jfk. It continued through connellys torso, nicking a rib and exiting below his nipple, into and out of his wrist, then lodging lightly in his thigh. Your own ridiculous theory ignores the evidence. Jfks body was fully x rayed. They initially thought the same as you. But there WAS no bullet anywhere, just fragments in his brain from the headshot. So although you sneer at the magic bullet fact, your own theory has two entry wounds about 8 inches apart, NO EXIT WOUNDS, and no bullets inside his body. Plus the physical impossibility of hitting him there from the front. Oh, and 95% of the witnesses heard only 3 or fewer shots, but you want to add another one. And 97% of the witnesses heard shots coming from a single location, only 3% thought they heard shots coming from two different locations. Youre ignoring the facts to try to make your theory fit. However, when you fire 6.5 Carcano ammo into a semi liquid brian encased in skull, it immediately begins to yaw and violently fragments, as it did in jfks skull. The WC commissioned tests and found that the same type of bullet would reliably behave just as it did when fired into a skull. Case closed.
3:35 I didn't realize just how close the Book Depository was to where the fatal shots hit the mark. What a perfect opportunity Oswald had to pull this off. That's a convenient angle too to aim and shoot someone in a slow-moving vehicle (for anybody who knows his way around a rifle). Thanks for sharing this video.
Then you are a better shot than Carlos Hathcock. Because he tried to do what Oswald supposedly did and could not do it. Hathcock was the the best sniper for the corp during Vietnam war. I suggest you read a book by Craig Roberts another Vietnam sniper and SWAT sniper who says he could not have done it. Book title is "The Kill Zone" by Craig Roberts. I have to disagree with almost everything you say, sorry. Watch the video where is everyone running to. Not the book depository. It was also proven in 1978 The House Select Committee on Assassinations determined that there was more than 3 shots and more than one shooter. The End.
WRONG ON ALL COUNTS. Hathcock never said that. There is NO RECORD of him trying to duplicate the shots. He killed a guy with a headshot from 2500 yards, or 28 times farther than this simple away shot. This was an 88 yard shot. Get a clue. The ONLY source of this dubious claim is…surprise, a guy selling a book to soft headed fools who claims Hathcock said it in private. Roberts is an idiot. Ive seen the shots duplicated on film, search youtube for “oswald shots replicated”. Watch that and youll see Roberts is full of shit. Disagree all you want, but you are wrong. Of the earwitnesses, just over half said the shots came from the TSBDB, the cop who saw Oswald in the stairwell was running upstairs in the building 90 seconds after the shots because he knew the shots came from there. Also, less than 3 of the witnesses claimed there were shots coming from two different places, that rules out a second shooter, cherry picker. The house select committee said oswald shot three times and hit jfk and connelly and caused all wounds, cherry picker. They SAID the ONLY reason they thought there were 4 shots, therefore another shooter, was the now totally discredited “dictabelt” recording, which two charlatans said proved 4 shots were fired. No other lab, ever, has been able to confirm this claim. And we now know the recording doesnt have ANY shots on it because it was made after the limo had already left the plaza based on a cop saying “hold here” after the “shots”. The end of your bullshit. Learn the facts.
This is an excellent video, and you are clearly well-informed about the facts of the JFK assassination. When weighing all of the evidence properly in this case I don't think there is any other reasonable conclusion than that LHO killed JFK and J.D. Tippit on his own. I am not a shooter, so I have a question for you. It seems to me that the shot on Houston, while closer, may actually have been more difficult because the limo was moving towards Oswald (is it more difficult to track a target moving toward you or away from you?) and also because Houston runs beside the TSBD, so there would have been some lateral movement of the limo on Houston relative to Oswald's line of sight. What do you think? There is also of course the fact that you mentioned, which is that everyone would have known immediately where the shot came from, and also I think Oswald would have had to have made himself fully visible in the window taking the shot while the limo was on Houston, as opposed to being able to hide back in the corner when taking the shot on Elm. The windshield and two rows of passengers would also be between Oswald and JFK on Houston, but not on Elm. Of course, if the shots did come from the 6th floor of the TSBD all of this speculation about how difficult the shots were is moot, since someone clearly was able to make those shots that day. You probably already know this, but in the rapid-fire part of Oswald's Marine Corps shooting test he was able to hit 8 out of 10 bullseyes from 200 yards and 7 out of 10 bullseyes from 300 yards, both of which results are rated above expert level.
Do you discount the House Select Committee on Assassinations? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations There have been multiple official investigations into JFK's death. Some of those investigations were ended on official orders and the evidence gathered in those other official investigations turned over to other agencies, lost, or destroyed. ONI refused to comply with Congress and said that it's Oswald files had been destroyed. FBI Agent Hosty testified before the HSCA that he destroyed a note from Oswald (and other material, too) on orders. Dallas PD's investigation had to turn over all investigative leads to the FBI -- a factor that hampered Louisiana's investigation into a plot to kill JFK. One can of worms kicked over by the HSCA were numerous plots against Fidel Castro, CIA involvement in attempted assassination of Charles De Gaulle, and dozens of other plots including a 2 November 1963 murder of South Vietnam's leader. Funny thing--on 2 November 1963 a phone call from a "Lee" changed JFK's plans to attend the Army/Navy Game held in Chicago and the arrest of three people in possession of rifles and evidence of a plot to kill JFK. Then there was Tampa on 18 November--another arrest of an armed potential assasin was made and instead of a parade, JFK was helicoptered to the rally. I get it! Acting alone, Oswald managed this attempt from Mother Russia! www.mentalfloss.com/article/30444/1960-retired-postal-worker-almost-killed-jfk Can't have TWO lone nuts--only Oswald, acting alone, without any help at all... There were multiple attempts (not mere plots) on JFK's life and the last one I linked to happened between being elected and being sworn in as POTUS. Blanket denials have moth holes. I was six when JFK died. My memories of that day were a routine walk to school, the normal lessons, and going home for a late lunch--my school was on the Air Force base in San Antonio and was half a day. When I got home, the adults were all angry--just like during the Cuban Missile Crisis the year prior only I was in Germany during 1962. For two days I wondered what I had done that made the adults so angry--and then I caught a televised replay of Ruby shooting Oswald. With that mystery explained, I accepted the official word that Oswald, acting alone, killed my president--and I was relieved that it WASN'T something I had done after all! About a decade later, I read the Warren Report and found flaws. The Oliver Stone movie, JFK, was based on Louisiana's inquiry into the murder of President Kennedy. There was a prior movie casting doubt on the official story, "Executive Action" (1973) that I didn't see until the 21st Century. www.imdb.com/title/tt0070046/ There were lots of fiction prior to JFK's assassination that JFK saw (surprise--both starred Frank Sinatra): www.imdb.com/title/tt0047542/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3 www.imdb.com/find/?q=the%20manchurian%20candidate&ref_=nv_sr_sm The novel, "Seven Days in May," was released as a movie in 1964 but JFK commented on reading the book. There was a lot of funny business going on. Denying all of that funny business discredits the lone nutters as thoroughly as the conspiracy theorists are discredited. I don't know who killed Kennedy. Neither Lone Nut narrative nor screaming "CONSPIRACY THEORISTS" works, though if the public opinion polls are accurate, more Americans believe that JFK died as the result of a conspiracy than believe Oswald, acting alone and with zero help from anybody else did the deed. Makes me wonder--was Jack Ruby only going to punch Oswald in the nose, but Oswald pulled a gun, shot himself, and shoved the gun in Ruby's hands? No wonder Jack Ruby appeared confused! Where'd Oswald get the gun? Oh, don't be a conspiracy theorist! Cancel Reply
@@alancranford3398 When the HSCA reviewed the draft of its final report on the JFK assassination in December, 1978, it concluded that Oswald acted alone in killing JFK and J.D. Tippit. It was not until the very end of its investigation that the HSCA heard from Mark Weiss and Ernest Aschkenasy about the police motorcycle dictabelt recording, purporting to show that there were four shots. Foolishly, the HSCA accepted this interpretation of the dictabelt recording as accurate, and based solely on that piece of evidence--contrary to everything else they had found--concluded that there was likely a second gunman. The National Academy of Sciences reviewed the acoustic evidence that the HSCA had relied upon to conclude there was likely a second gunman, and in May of 1982 determined the following: "The acoustic analyses do not demonstrate that there was a grassy knoll shot, and in particular there is no acoustic basis for the claim of 95% probability of such a shot.The acoustic impulses attributed to gunshots were recorded about one minute after the President had been shot and the motorcade had been instructed to go to the hospital. Therefore, reliable acoustic data do not support a conclusion that there was a second gunman."
Except of ALL the witnesses, only 2 said shots came from two directions. Think about that: its hard to tell where the source if gunfire is in a man made canyon, but its easy to tell if there are two sources.
How was it a "doable" shot from the 6th floor when there was a Texas live oak tree with all of it's branches standing in the way, you needed to wait until the limo got further away to avoid the branches = extremely difficult shot even for an expert
WRONG. You dont know the facts, and you are not a shooter. The only tree between the sixth floor and Elm is a single tree close to the corner. It blocks a shot within about 20 yards of the window. After that, its a clear shot with no obstructions all the way to the triple underpass. Do some research. The secret service shot a training film within a week of the assassination, using a camera in the same window Oswald was shooting from, and another looking up from a convertible standing in for the presidential limousine. We know the throat shot was about 54 yards, the head shot was 88. The stand in car is visible at all times after it clears the tree, and is a clear shot at 54 and 88 yards. Neither of those is a difficult shot for anyone with a rifle. Straight away shot at a slow moving vehicle. Thanks foe watching, but you are absolutely wrong.
You obviously know nothing about the case, even a marine expert named Hathcock couldn't do the shooting which means you sure as hell couldn't themanfrom2063.com/lee-harvey-oswalds-marksmanship/
+tram84mvp Buckle up, cupcake, it gets bumpy from here on in. I know "nothing about the case"? Please. I know more about this assassination than you ever will. I also know more about Gunny Hathcock than you ever will. Craig Roberts, who was trying to sell his own assassination book, www.amazon.com/Kill-Zone-Sniper-Looks-Dealey/dp/1494985667/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1493917873&sr=8-2&keywords=Craig+roberts one that claims Oswald wasn’t the only shooter, is the only human that was present when he claims Gunny Hathcock said that. How convenient, the top recognized sniper supporting his pet theory, and helping him sell his book. Gullible much? There are no other witnesses. No one else says he said anything like that at any time. Lets review what Gunny Hathcock WAS capable of doing. He shot an NVA soldier in the head at 2550 yards. He did it with an unmodified .50 M2 machine gun fitted with a telescopic sight. That's 28 times farther than Oswald's head shot. So i don't believe Craig Roberts. He never said that. Also, even if Gunny Hathcock expressed doubts, HE WAS WRONG. Its a measured 88 yard shot. I've personally hit man hole covers, repeatedly, at 900 yards. 88 yards is child's play. I have two handguns that could easily hit a human head at 88 yards. 88 yards at a ten inch target moving slowly straight away. The shooting position was well supported. I cant remember the last time I shot any rifle at less than 100 yards unless I was hunting. An 88 yard shot at a ten inch target is astoundingly easy, and anyone, ANYONE who says otherwise knows nothing about shooting. Again, you're wrong. Tell me again how I know nothing about this.
Great, another bloviating conspiratard, thumping his chest about how much he thinks he knows. Tell you what, champ, you either don't know the facts, like the location of that tree in terms of the trajectory of the shots, and the source of the alleged statement by Gunny Hathcock, which is the likely explanation, or you're a damned liar. My money is on rank ignorance. Like most conspiracy fans, you bleat about open minds and questioning "everything", but you sheep simply accept and repeat as gospel any claim that you think supports your version. Like the Hathcock statement. I read Hathcock's biography in the mid 1980s, and he said nothing about JFK in that tome. So when I heard that a quote was attributed to him, it took a five minute google search to determine that the person who claimed he heard him say that is selling a book that claims multiple shooters. But weak minded you simply accepted it and repeated it, with all the understanding of a mynah bird. The single bullet FACT is undeniable. Connelly was hit from behind. Once. He said he was shot from behind, his wounds parallel the path of the limo, and the windshield was not pierced by any projectile that could have hit him. Plus from the path of the wounds, a shooter from the front would have had to be on the limo floor. The entrance wound in his back was oblong, meaning that the bullet that hit him was starting to yaw, meaning it has slowed considerably from its muzzle velocity. That bullet exited his chest below the right nipple, passed through his wrist, and lodged in his thigh. Other than nicking a rib and smashing the delicate wrist bones, it hit no other bones. It behaved exactly as a heavy jacketed round is supposed to behave, it stayed together. But there is a problem: JFK was behind him, masking him from a shot to the rear. You can't hit Connelly from above and behind without hitting JFK first. JFK was also hit from the rear and above. He wasn’t hit from the front, because, as above, Connelly was in the way, as was the windshield. JFK suffered a wound that went in his back/shoulder area, and exited his throat, clipping his necktie on the way out. An intact projectile left him, moving forward, because he was x-ayed extensively and no bullets or fragments were anywhere in his body other than in his brain from the next shot, the head shot. And no one else in the car was hit, except Connelly. No seat, or windshield, or other part of the car was hit by an intact bullet. The windshield was cracked by a fragment, from the later headshot, but this did not pass through the windshield. The bullet hit no major bones, so it left with some momentum left. So Connelly was hit from the rear by a slowing bullet starting to tumble, and JFK was between Connelly and the shooter (Oswald), and JFK had an intact, slowing bullet leave him moving foreward, and no part of the car or anyone else in it was hit by that bullet. Explain, simpleton, how the simplest explanation is not that they were hit by the same shot? Oh, and "ear" witnesses say there were three shots. One miss, one "magic" shot, one head shot. Child's play, as is destroying your assertions. Tell me, again, how you know more about this than me.
I guess that means your another lone nut loser who actually thinks LHO did it all by himself, wonder why they locked up the documents for 75 years if he did it by himself?, or what about the fact that the money order to buy the rifle has ZERO bank stamps so was never cashed, or how about the fact their were 2 Oswald' s as proven a million times over by John Armstrong, how about the fact that there is zero evidence Oswald ever went to Mexico city, how about the dark complected man who clearly has a radio and was a spotter for the murder, how about the massive evidence of multiple shots from multiple locations. how about the scores of witnesses who ran up the knoll - guess they were all mistaken, how about the German Mauser found in the TSBD that was disappeared when they couldn't connect it to Oswald, how about the secret service stealing JFK's body out of Dallas because they knew if Dallas Medical Examiner Earl Rose did the autopsy the case would have been broken wide open back in '63 - and who did they get to do the autopsy? - military guys who had never done an autopsy on a human and who had to take orders, i can go on forever but you will always believe government lies since you are a pathetic sheeple
What about him? Got a name? You DO realize that not a single doctor at Parkland either turned JFK over to look at his entire head, nor did any of them chart any wound? And you DO realize that there are many high quality plain x ray films that have been authenticated as post mortem x rays of JFK to the exclusion of all other humans, and that show the temples intact and a front to rear orientation of the wounds!
All credible ballistic, film, eyewitness, medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate the shots all came from the sixth floor window and from Oswald's rifle, and it's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
Oswald absolutely shot. Howard Brennan saw him standing in the window with the rifle. He also saw Oswald firing the rifle. Oswald was the only TBSD employee above the second floor when the rest left for lunch. Then he fled and murdered J.D. Tippett in broad daylight in front of about 12 witnesses who saw some or all of the murder. Then he tried to use the same revolver to murder the cops that caught him in the Texas Theater.
Wrong Wrong WRONG....Oswald did NOT shoot, the paraffin test in itself would have proved him innocent. Anyone who clings to one of the biggest LIES in history either 1. hasn't studied the case or 2. is just plain DUMB....no other options are possible.....thus, endeth the lesson....you're welcome !
+ITILII You're a functional imbecile. Another mushy headed conspiratard who repeats what others have told him, then has the balls to claim others dont know the case. Paraffin tests CANNOT and do not prove anyone innocent, moron. Parrafin tests only prove that at the time of the test, residue consistent with having fired a gun, usually a handgun, is present. Washing ones hands with soap and water will remove these chemicals. They arent used to prove "innocence", dummy. Oh, and idiot of idiots, Oswald's paraffin test was positive on BOTH HANDS. Checkmate. Tell me again how i dont know the facts, you conspiratard.
+ITILII hey, moron, why dont you post the FBI's findings of false negatives using Oswalds rifle and ammo from the same ammo company? False positives and false negatives were rampant in the test, and its no longer used. A closed chamber rifle of that type typically does not leave cheek residue. Shooters who rapid fired that rifle showed no residue on cheek or hands, cite mcadams.posc.mu.edu/factoid2.htm Lets dance, cupcake. You come to my channel and vomit the same tired, stupid, lazy conspiratard nonsense, repeating what some other idiot told you with all the understsnding of a mynah bird, then pretend youre somehow superior? Not on my watch, idiot. Thus endeth the lesson, imbecilic mynah bird.
Does anyone else notice how this blow hard douche went from "Oswald didn't shoot from where I would have shot from, therefore he didn't do it" to personal attacks on my appearance? That's called a non Sequitur, punk. You changed the subject because I dominated you with the facts. Piss off. You're a douche who knows NOTHING about the facts of this crime. Go hold up a pie pan in front of your face at 88 yards and tell me how impossible the shot was, dickhead.
Is there a way to detect the trajectory of the shots from adding a filter affect to the Zapruder film. This could be a possible savior for individuals deserving to be saved from death. The shots could be reversed and applied to the film. Individuals could be hologrammically saved. I like that term better than holigraphically.
What about the soldier who was on break and heard the shot coming over his shoulder on the grassy knowl and dived for the ground? This and many more people (over 60% of witnesses) said they heard or saw shots from behind the fence? To say it would be a bad shot coming down Heuston, that the windscreen would have been in the way or the people in the forwards seats is just plain wrong. It was a very easy shot and was not taken because they wanted him in a cross fire.
WRONG. Most, over half, said they came from the TSBD building. And the soldier DID NOT say he heard shots coming from two places, meaning there was only one shooter. The bullet holes go back to front. A grassy knoll shot would have to go side to side. You dont know anything about shooing if you think a steeply downhill approach shot is easy, so stop making wild claims. Heres a cite to what the witnesses REALLY said. www.jfk-assassination.net/shots.htm. Read it and admit youre wrong.
Question. If the hole in the back of his head measured 6mm how could the 6.5 mm bullet do that? A bullet makes a little larger hole going in the only rifle there that day with that diameter bullet was that ar15 just saying. And if you don’t think the secret service is closed lip you are mistaken.. they all party with the girls when they are on deployment and the Kennedy detail was out partying as well
Come on. The hole measured “APPROXIMATELY 6mm.” Thats what the doctor wrote. Nobody measured it. You dont get to erase the word “approximately”, because it means “not exactly”. So we are talking about a hole that is approximately 6 mm and a projectile that was a 6.5. Thats a HALF A MILLIMETER “discrepancy”, which, because the word approximately was used, doesn’t add up to a 5.56mm projectile, just saying. Stop cherry picking. Out partying is the same to you as actually shooting the protectee in the head? You’re broken.
It's surprisingly small. Someone who had marksman training in the Marines and was using a telescopic rifle could have done it easily. But hey, why suspect someone like that who was also a defector to the Soviet Union and whose whereabouts at the time of the shooting were unknown?
A couple of problems with your video. With the positioning of the Grassy Knoll shooter, you’re starting with a flawed assumption: that he stood right at the corner. No sniper would ever stand there because they’d be seen. The angle of the shot lines up if you stand about 10-15 ft back. And if you stand there as a shooter, you won’t be seen. You also left out the condition of Oswald’s rifle. For one thing, the scope wasn’t zeroed. For another thing, it had a sticky bolt. So it’s not that you can’t shoot someone from that window. It’s that it’s difficult to make a shot that precise in that time frame with a sticky bolt and a scope that isn't zeroed. And you also left out that a target moving away from a shooter and downhill - that section of Elm St is on an incline - throws off the trigonometry of shooting such that that, plus a scope that isn’t zeroed, makes not for a difficult shot, but a difficult shot with that precision. There’s no gentle way to put this: I call your acumen as a firearms person into question not just because you left out these important facts, but because you’re from California. The laws where you live are simply too strict to produce a person who is knowledgeable about firearms. Your username suggests that you went to military college. That may have made you knowledgeable - may have. But military people that I discuss this event with are all alike: they are so emotionally invested in all things military that any suggestion that military or intelligence people were involved in this event is taken as a personal afront. It is not my intention to be rude. But I call them as I see them. I’ve met a lot of people who are knowledgeable about firearms. And I’ve never met a single one who thinks Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone - in fact, they nearly always laugh at the idea. You are either deliberately turning a blind eye to obvious facts because you have arrived at a conclusion and are working backward to prove it, or you simply don't possess the knowledge that you claim to possess.
Bullshit on all counts. The angles most definitely DO NOT “line up”, he was not hit from the side. The rifle WAS zeroed, and oswald was seen working the bolt on his porch in the dark. The downhill and away throw NOTHING off at 88 yards, in fact, the very slight decline in the road erases what little bullet drop there is. No delicate way? French my ass, boy, i can and will shoot rings around you. Any weapon, any distance. Ive been shooting all my life, and have had military, police, and civilian training. Ive competed in NRA midrange and PRS shooting of precision, scoped rifles. Fuck off, then, when im sure you have had time to read this, ill erase your ranting bullshit. Got it?
Thats the stupidest appeal to authority ive ever seen. You know people who shoot and claim they all laugh at oswald doing this alone. Youre aggressively stupid. A sniper is one man with a rifle, DUMBASS, a 54 and 88 yard shot isnt a team event. You mainlined Oliver Stones idiotic “ambush”, youre a moron, and youre soon to be deleted, fuckwit.
You are extremely rude, boorish and self righteous and clearly know nothing about firearms or the event at hand. For example, if you move back 10-15 ft, it’s a front not a side shot. Also, the Warren Commission acknowledged that the scope wasn’t what they called ‘calibrated’, meaning zeroed. Finally, I have no need for an appeal to anyone. I know plenty about firearms on my own. I was merely pointing out that no one I’ve ever met who is knowledgeable would agree with you because they know how firearms operate. I don’t make these arguments to convince you but to convince folks reading this who might be on the fence. Life Pro Tip: If you want people to consider your point of view and if you want people to subscribe to your channel, then act a little more rationally and professionally rather than acting boorish and crude. Good luck.
@@citadelgrad87 You are a complete fraud and you know it. That's why you call everyone names. I've reported all of your comments. Hopefully, you get shut down.
Help, please. Anybody? I am trying to find the videos by that big white American guy who died of lung cancer and was a Photoshop expert. He wrote an expensive book with a lot of photos and most of the reviews praised the photos in his book but did not go along with his theories of shooters seen in all the photos. Hoping to find his name, his book, his videos. Name might have been Larry or Harvey something.
@@TheHeavensFellen Yeah, I still thought the photos would be very worthwhile, even if he had put in little shooters here and there. The photos were not as impressive as I thought they would be. I imagined a coffee table book quality, but of course, they weren't that.
@@watermelonlalala he was a con-artist we debated his work once, oh yeah it was a an old homemade printed type book, no company would have printed it to sell on their own.
I read a research comment where he saw a video where engineers used lasers math exact position of jfk an limmo an they concluded a few shots dal tex blg an last shot triple under pass just down an to the right front of limmo. Very believable
Nope. Negative. The windshield blocked any shots from the front, and everyone was hit in the rear. A windshield, the driver, and Connelly all blocked a shot at jfk from the front. Why do you reject the easiest shot and the simplest explanation? The Dal Tex building is much farther away, but would send a round about where Oswald did. Why do that mental gymnastics?
JFK was shot around 12:30 pm. They were late, as they were supposed to be at the Trade Mart by 12:30 pm. Oswald was identified at 12:26 by eye witnesses at TSBD. Oswald should have been perched on the 6th floor waiting for his late arrival. How did Oswald know JFK would be late?
Well 87... 1 thing I'm very sure of if you look at last few seconds of zapruder film in slow motion or play stop play stop you can clearly see jfk pushed back quick hard blood matter an a piece of skull land on trunk of limmo that clearly was a shot from front right side of limmo. Limmo at that exact last shot was past the lone wolf BS Oswald 3 shots 6 floor book blg. That last shot would have also hit the driver in back or blood an a piece of skull would have hit driver....that's what I see.......
@@davidwilliams4498 Wrong. There was NOTHING on the trunk lid. There are many high quality stills form the Z film of Jackie getting onto the trunk lid, and the trunk is literally spotless, and her hands are flat on the lid. Did not happen. Stop posting false information. Final warning.
@@citadelgrad87 This is wrong. Brain matter and pieces of skull hit the trunk, and even the motorcycle policeman who was stationed back-left of the limo (Officer Hargis). www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
That has been my contention. From this knoll or picket fence, to hit him in the temple, it would have to hit the temple and then turn 90 degrees to come out the back of his head. There may have been a shot from here but it missed and was what struck the grass. I think the head shot based on the angles came from the underpass. Saw a good forensics presentation that said by lining up the car in the street and the angle and direction of his head, and by taking vectors (angles) of the wound in the back of the head, then replicating the angle out the front, that the bullet IF it came from the front then it would have had to come from the underpass area and not the picket fence.
Robert Zebrowski there was no front to back shot that hit him. It didnt happen. The windshield the front seat driver and passenger, and governor Connelly were both in the way, and the windshield has no penetrations in it, only a crack from a fragment that was moving to the front. You can never get past the plain film and x ray film that show, unequivocally, that he was hit once in the head by a bullet traveling feom his rear to his front. Nobody was shooting from the overpass. Certainly nobody hit him from there.
remember he was turning his head toward jackie, and the better position is where the knoll fence meets the overpass bridge. On nice i see you wrote that when i read your full post
Good video. Yes. Oswald was the only one firing at the President that fateful day. He was in the 6th floor corner window of depository. There were 2 guys that day watching the President motorcade in the 5th floor window of depository directly under Oswald. They knew someone was above them shooting at the President in the building. Nobody ever mentions that.
Shiteater, i pointed to the sixth, and noted clearly that they have blocked off the sixth floor window, and you have to go to the seventh to look out the window above the one Oswald fired from. Nobody gives a shit what you think you did before they blocked access to the window. Now piss off.
What people forget this was done by professionals ie: suppressed sniper rifles the only rifle which did not have one was the rifle shot from the del tex, the so called LHO rifle was not even fired that day at all ? Also most people that believe in the WC report forget the amount of damage done by missed shots which one bullet struck the curb way over on main st and hit james tague and if you look from the window of the 7 th floor look how far away is that curb on main st for a bullet to miss the car by 50ft to hit a curb, not to mention the windshiled chrome sttrip, the curb on elm st, the drain cover on elm st, also i dont believe for one second that all the shots came from the rear, jfk was only shot from the front, which is why the drs when they looked at the back wound its larger then the neck wound which the drs at parkland said it was an entrance wound and there's evidence of a bullet entrance in the rear seat just behind jfk's back and if you look at a frontal shot done from the commerce st overpass area it lines up 100% straight through the windshield and through the left suit jacket of john connolly and into jfk's neck and exit out of jfk's back? Which is why you see john connolly move his left shoulder upwards so fast and then you have at least 2 other frontal head shots, one just above the right eye about 2 cm above and to the right and then you have the right temple shot. John connally's wounds came from the del tex or the western end of the TSBD window from a Masseur and a scoped rifle at that, one of the best sniper rifle you could have at that time ?Which is what the cops found first and reported straight away and more importantly the Dallas police and the FBI both have photos of the hulls found, which are only 2 x 6.5mm hulls and the rifle they say they found later on, was changed to a 6.5 and the muser went missing and there's witness to the fact they seen a man with a scoped rifle on the western end of the TSBD and they simply through it was security protection / secret service people? In Fact i believe it was the secret service who shot at jfk the same snipers used to protect jfk was used to kill him, which explains why the secret service people are the only people who controlled the event from start to finish and also the military Generals/Admirals / CIA as well ? So you only have to have a couple of people to pull it off, meaning people who are going to call the shots after the shooting, greer, kellerman, clint hill was not even supposed to be there that day for a start and also the driver greer as well? Cheers :)
So basically what you saying is that the ARRB's work which is a look at the WC report, the church committee , rockefeller commission and the HS committee is ALL BS all that official documented records and suppressed records which were mostly released after the jfk movie is all BS ?c champ so you know these people right, WOW you took a walk around Dallas and Dearly plaza and came up with it was LHO based on what just looking around or did you read the WC volumes and the various other subunit investigations or did you think it through just by looking at the site, also almost every qualified sniper in The WC times and other investigations which were used has said there's no way that an OLD surplus WW2 rusty rifle was even able to shot at a moving target which is moving away from you by the way at speed like 15 miles per hour to 11 miles per hour and do the damage which was seen by all the closets witness in elm st that day including jfk's movement back and to the left not one witness that day seen jfk's head move back and to the left as seen in the so called z film not one, explain that to me and maybe i might believe 0.001 % that you have talked about in this upload champ ? THE FBI had to put 3 metal shims which is in the WC volumes to make the rifle just to shoot straight and the chances that anyone used the iron sights with a bolt action rifle its impossible and more importantly why the shooter did not shoot while the jfk car GG-300 was on houston st driving towards you, which even if they speed up you still have a better chance to shot at jfk right and still a bolt action rifle ? Right or wrong ?
7071t6 wrong, “champ”. Ive studied the records for almost 30years, and used to work with the chief evidence counsel for the Warren Commission. Where did you get that all ive done is walked around dealey? You need a clue.
Well either you the same person who has put the upload up or a total fraud in any case if you have worked with counsel member for the WC, which there's plenty explain this to me, WHY the ex president admitted moving the rear head wound up 100mm or almost 4 inches upwards from the EOP area to right up almost the top of the back right side of jfk's head,explain that one and also who did you work for, because these are the people i know and talk to Dr Jim Fetzer, Doug Horne, David Lifton, Jim MARRS (RIP) Oliver Stone, Larry Rivera, Gary King, John Costella and a few more who are all on my linkedin page and Facebook as well which there's so many to mention its not funny, i guess i can only say this if you really studied the real evidence to date you would come to the same conclusion going back to the 1964 release of the WC that almost over 50 % of the people that got the report did not believe that it was LHO alone or that he did not do it at all and thats coming from people who have read the complete 26 volumes of the report and also the Report itself and the fact that a single mother named Sylvia Meagher indexed the complete 26 volumes is showing you that the government could not do and if a single mother could index the report for the future than its more proof to me that it was done intentional so that anyone who reads the bloody thing would get lost in all the BS tests and reports which have nothing to do with the shooting of the 35th president of the USA ok champ ?
7071t6 i dont have to explain shit to you, “champ”. Any mouth breathing imbecile bleating about suppressed rifles and claiming Oswald did not fire is aggressively stupid. Like most conspiratards, you cherry pick evidence to suit the conclusion you want to prove. I work with real evidence every day, “champ”, and you dont know dick about what evidence is. It leads you to a conclusion, you dont fixate on minuscule crap that you think supports your fantasy. Ram fraud up your overtaxed colon, kid.
You were standing in the wrong spot. James Files fired a single shot using a mercury tipped explosive round 15 ft to the right of the fence corner more towards the overpass where the fence runs parallel with Elm. It’s a shame you went through all that effort without any of the historical data that has been learned and documented since that day.
When you want to know forensically if there have been two or more bullets fired from two or more trajectories, investigators will analyze blood splatter pattern evidence left behind on different surfaces at a crime scene. When Jackie's dress is open to public viewing in 2103, hopefully, there will still be some interest in finding the truth in this case. Until then, I guess we can continue to call each other morons over the internet.
No, when you want to know if two or more bullets were fired and their trajectories, x rays of the skull is a 100% reliable indicator, tabular fractures are utterly reliable and show a single projectile entered from the rear and exited over the right eyebrow area. Taken with the 97% of witnesses who heard gunfire from only one direction, not two or more, and 95% of them heard 3 or fewer shots, and the reality that nobody ever assigned two snipers to shoot the same target at the same time because its so stupid its not done, and there is no mystery here, only gullible Dunning Kruger examples. Oswald fired all 3 shots. Period.
@@ryanfulton8421 first, YEAH, case closed. What do you have to counter it? Dexter fantasy “what the blood spatter MIGHT show”? Second, no, kid, thats not all the evidence, just enough to overcome the stupid blood spatter fantasy approach.
@citadelgrad87 if you're going to refer to forensic science as a fantasy and then build a case around eyewitness testimony that directly contradicts the narrative you would like to push then I don't think there's any hope for you. Go back to sleep.
I finally got around to touring Dealey Plaza and the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, Texas during May 2021. The event happened when I was six and living on the Air Force base in San Antonio--and I didn't find out that my president had been murdered for two days. I watched a replay of Ruby shooting Oswald on television--and learned why all the adults were so damned angry at me that weekend. Hint--it wasn't me. The Kennedy Assassination has a lot of unknowns and unknowables. Speculation is assumption--and I was warned decades ago that when I assumed I made an ASS out of U and ME. Still, assumptions and logic are the majority of how the crime gets recreated. What assumptions? First, I''m going to assume that there was ample time to shoot three times with a bolt action rifle. Here's a factoid that suggests Lee Oswald fired FIVE shots in the allotted time frame: ua-cam.com/video/h4c5Zr7hzzA/v-deo.htmlorigin= Doesn't prove anything. The Carcano has a six-shot clip that, like the eight-shot Garand clip, must be shoved into the rifle's magazine so that the mechanism will feed cartridges from the magazine. Locate a photo of the three empty cartridge cases on the floor of the sniper's nest--when I visited the Sixth Floor Museum, there was a gaping hole in the wall at floor level. I have picked up thousands of cartridge casings from rifle ranges during police call (picking up brass and other "residue" as it's termed--the spent casings, bandoliers, ammo cans, links, clips and all are accountable items on military ranges--and then contractors get to dig the lead out of the backstop from time to time). It's easy to lose some of them. As early as 2 PM on 22 November 1963 Dallas Police expected to find three spent casings because according to their best guess only three shots had been fired. Witnesses heard from zero to more than eight shots. Given the acoustics of the Plaza, one shot might sound like a machine gun burst or a dozen shots might be mistaken for something other than gunfire. Why would they be looking for more than three cartridge cases? They found a clip in the rifle and a live round in the chamber. How many people know that a Carcano clip holds six shots? It would take a lot of persuading to change a closed mind that ANYBODY can fire off five shots from any bolt action repeating rifle in under ten seconds. "They're gonna miss!" Reportedly, Oswald, did, at least twice (unless Connally was an intended target). I have personal experience--on a 300-yard rapid-fire rifle stage at Kaneohe Marine Corps Air Station on Oahu, Hawaii, I put two five-round magazines into my Dog target in under 15 seconds and was booted in the ribs by a corporal for wasting my ammunition through shooting too rapidly. All ten shots were covered by a five-inch spotting disk and I achieved my 50-point maximum score. In case you're unfamiliar, the Marine starts with rifle loaded and on-SAFE standing, and when the targets come up, the Marine drops into a sling-supported prone and begins firing, reloads after the first magazine is empty and continues firing. I dropped to prone, fired four hits, dropped my magazine and shoved in a second that had been in a belt pouch, fired rounds five through ten, cleared my rifle, and my sore ribs negatively affected my record fire the next day. Prejudice is painful! Besides, proving to a jury that someone MIGHT fire three or more shots in a ten-second period doesn't prove that Oswald did. Because of the Fifth Amendment, Oswald couldn't be forced to demonstrate his rifle skills. As a member of the jury, would YOU believe that Oswald was shamming when he failed to get off more than two shots--both misses--in a ten second period? Yes, I know, the time frame is estimated to have been from four to eleven seconds. "The truth turns out to be more complicated." historynewsnetwork.org/article/35445 It's always more complicated. Nobody was timing the event with a stopwatch! I've coached poor shooters who took longer than 5 seconds between shots with their M16-series rifles on SEMI and failed to get off all ten shots during their rapid-fire stages on the Marine Corps rifle qualification--and soldiers failed to fire rapidly enough on their Alt C marksmanship table with the same rifle. The Zapruder film is more of a Rorschach test (History News Network's words) than conclusive concrete evidence. Zapruder's 8mm camera had no batteries--it was key-wound clockwork powered by springs. Worse, the 50-foot film cassette was good for 3 to 4 minutes of filming at 18 frames per second. Zapruder paused filming because he lost sight of the Presidential Limousine (why waste limited film on unimportant events) and this messed up timing of the entire assassination, catching only the last two shots. Grain size (fast color film) limited resolution. Today's smart phones take better movies--longer video clips, higher resolution, WITH sound. It is easier to digitally enhance a digital movie than it is to digitally enhance film stock. Remember, each frame was 8mm, about a third of an inch. I forgot what the shutter time on the Bell and Howell and never did learn the film speed. What's the image resolution on your smart phone? The frame rate on digital cameras is faster, too--50 or 60 interlaced frames per second (25 to 30 images) for standard videos. What I'm claiming is that there is a limited amount of information that the 8mm camera can capture--time is one of them, within a limited set of parameters. I made a 7.5-minute movie using a Super-8 film camera and the finished project was edited from several cassettes--nothing like experience with vintage equipment! Speaking of time, the time frame of the assassination was too short for split-second accuracy. At the time, the Atomic Clock was a big deal. I mentioned stop watches--nobody timed the events with an atomic clock. How much precision and accuracy was needed to time the assassination? The laptop I type this on has an onboard atomic clock, but the time standard is slaved to my internet service provider or else my digital signal wouldn't sync up and data wouldn't stream. My processor is 5.2GHz. If my onboard camera had been used to record the Kennedy assassination, I'd have had significantly more accurate time hacks--until grabby cops seized my equipment and accidentally broke it. It takes talent to smash a laptop. Perhaps I'd have been mistaken for someone wielding a Buck Rodgers death ray or something. People do weird things when they're scared and/or mad. Actual duration of gunfire is only one issue--and the difference between four and eleven seconds for between three and five shots is elastic enough to create controversy. It is possible that Oswald fired five shots in four seconds or even fired just two shots in eleven seconds--and it is possible that Oswald was on the second floor during the gunfire. Oswald was seen on the second floor from 5 minutes to 1 minute prior to the shots, and then seen on the second floor from 1 to 3 minutes after the gunfire. Oswald wore brown shirt and blue trousers, but the person seen in the window of the sixth floor up to a full minute after the shots was reported by witnesses to be wearing white or light clothing. I checked Brennan's story from his reported observation position, but I was in May around 4 PM instead of November at 12:30 PM and my experiment is invalid by my standards. The shadows from overhead sunlight versus the shadows from the sun in the south-east would be different--and today's Dealey Plaza has taller buildings surrounding the place. I saw that the sixth-floor windows were in shadow in May 2021. Modern florescent lights versus vintage incandescent lights used to light the interior changed the picture to an unknown degree, making my experiment invalid. There was no open window--modern air conditioning made that unnecessary. I saw daylight reflections and was unable to determine if anybody were looking through the closed windows. Again--May 2021 and not November 1963--my own experiment was invalid. Silly question--but can I both impeach my witnesses while cherry picking their testimony? Evidence in court isn't a scientific certainty. Come to think of it, the Heisenberg Principle and the Observer Effect seem to prove "scientific certainty" is an oxymoron.
The perfect shot would have been in the middle of the turn. Even with a head-on shot, the windshield and the other occupants wouldn't have been in the way from the 6th floor. The shooter wouldn't have to expose himself to make the shot. He could sit on book boxes. He would have had to expose himself to take the shot he allegedly took.
Wrong. Shooting steeply downhill is very difficult. Shooters, like Oswald, know this. Also, as the car negotiates that turn, you need to keep moving the rifle just to stay on target as it crosses in front of you. Also the large tree is looming to block your shot if you dont hurry. No, the FAR easier shot, the one he DID take, by the way, was to rest the rifle on the boxes and aim at the car as the road gently curves away from the building, presenting a target that, from Oswalds perspective, doesn’t appear to be moving left or right, or up or down, but just slowly getting smaller. To a shooter, thats the only shot that makes sense.
The 6.5 cacarno was a pig of a rifle!! Many people said they heard what they thought were fire crackers..the 6.5 makes a very loud boom..where as a rifle with a sound moderator does sound more like a fire cracker. The way Kennedys head exploded looks like a shot from a light caliber high velocity bullet. The 6.5 wldng have made the same head wound.
So a bunch of housewives who never heard a gun before saying it sounded like a firecracker and its case closed for you? What a joke. The 6.5 was an excellent rifle, the Italian National rifle team used them even after the US gave the country Garands. Stop repeating old wives tales. Also, you dont know anything about ballistics. The 6.5 round performs exactly the way the headshot did: when fired into the cranial vault, the semi liquid brain causes the round to yaw and the bullet violently comes apart within the confines of the skull. The Warren Commission had tests done and the 6.5 reliably comes apart when fired into skulls.
I like that your allowed to at least get a view from the 7th floor as the museum has the 6th floor sniper perch sealed off . What I'd like to see is what the view of JFK's body was through the lense of a carcana scope .
Not really a “carcano scope,” but a poorly made, cheap knockoff apparently. During that time, a lot of Jap scopes were flooding the US, CN, and European markets during that time, mimicking the high quality design of the US Weaver. Unfortunately, everybody I know or spoke to that owns one claims that they are junk that prob haven’t been shootable in decades. These are guys w/ a replica carcano w/ one of those cheap scopes or one of the very ones fitted w/ it from Kleins Sporting Goods, where Oswald ordered his from. They look cool and make for great collectors items, but personally, I would send it out to get rebuilt before using or installing one.
I used to buy into those conspiracy theories on this, but for many, many years now i have been convinced that Oswald had acted alone. for one thing, why would he possibly have any reason to murder Officer Tippett, if he hadn't been terribly guilty of something?
Great video. It's nice that someone with sensible thinking posted this. I didn't always believe there was more than one shooter. To put this in perspective, I was only 3 when JFK was killed, so anything I read didn't start until I was about 12. And those first accounts were only about the 4 days so I had no reason to believe anybody but Oswald was involved. And then, like millions of others, saw the Zapruder film and saw that backward snap of his head. Well, yes, it DID look like someone shot from the front. But it wouldn't until the NOVA special from 1988 that I learned that, well, just because his head snapped backward, didn't mean he was shot from the front. Ugh. Then in 1991 I had the opportunity to visit Dealy Plaza. And like any other sensible person who has visited the place, was surprised at how small the area was. I saw for myself that anybody with any kind of rifle could have easily shot from that window down into that car. And the other surprise I got was just how close the fence really was to the street - meaning that it was a little hard for me to believe that a rifleman could have been there and nobody noticed. Yes, I realize there is a possibility, but as I write this, nobody has been able to irrefutably prove there was a second gunman. But isn't it amazing that this is the most photographed murder ever (22 cameras were there at the time of the attack) and despite all those photos we STILL can't come to an unarguable conclusion.
I've hit a 1/2" target @ 88yrds w/ a pellet gun and a 6X scope ..so a slow moving 12" target w/ a rifle is definitely doable.. I'd go as far as saying it's an easy shot for anyone familiar w/ fire arms
Except it was. I watched cars approach. It was in the way until a very steep angle was reached. Why are you do adamant that oswapd didn do it the way Oswald did it?
@@citadelgrad87 I’m just asking questions and bouncing ideas. I am not adamant, I just believe there are a host of things unanswered by the WCR. As far as Oswald goes, I do believe he was involved, but on what level? I don’t know.
@@jeffreypaulross9767 of course he was involved. He fled the scene and murdered officer Tippet in front of 12 witnesses during broad daylight. He did many things that only the shooter would have done. I dont buy the “I’m just asking questions” schtick, sorry.
@@citadelgrad87 “Fled the scene?” Was seen in the doorway of the book depository by a reporter who asked him where the nearest pay phone was. That’s what Oswald told the cops, and the reporter corroborated his story. Then he’s seen in the lunchroom with a Coke! Sounds more like chillin than fleeing to me ???
@@jeffreypaulross9767 old wives tale. He was in the anteroom to the lunchroom, there never was a coke, 90 seconds after he shot the rifle. Earl Warren, who was, iirc, 72 at the time, stood in the window pretending to hold a rifle, then walked, not jogged, to where the rifle was found, paused to hide it, then walked to the stairwell and walked down to that same doorway in well under 90 seconds, and he was no pt sweaty or out of breath. Oswald was 24 and in good shape. And then, yes, he fled, walking 9 blocks to catch a bus where he was seen by his former landlady. He fled. And he murdered a cop in front of 12 people. In broad daylight.
My question is after JFK was shot in the neck why didn't the SS agent (driver) accelerate the car away. JFK would have survived the neck shot only if that driver did his job and sped away as he was trained to do. The SS agent in the passenger front seat turned around and looked at JFK and saw him clutching his throat. Despite if Oswa;ld acted alone or was the shooter, despite any conspiracy theory, the SS failed miserably at their one and only job and after that fact didn't even lose their jobs, that's disgraceful. I hold them fully responsible regardless of who the sniper(s) were. Not many people cover this issue but that was the first thing I thought of when I first watched the Zapruder film. You hear shots and even see the man you are suppose to safeguard with your life in distress and you don't floor that gas pedal to get the hell out of there, any normal person would do that, it's just a common sense reaction. Why wasn't the SS agents punished.
I knew Oswald was guilty as hell when I learned he discarded his jacket.. Because why else would he do that?.. In fact, he repeatedly engaged in criminal intent behavior on the streets of Oak Cliff.. The actions of a guilty man..
Not exactly. First, the body you just cited, so you dont get to pick and choose, AGREED with the Warren Commission that Oswald fired three shots, scoring two hits, and that the “magic bullet” accounted for all of Connelys wounds and JFKs upper back in and out the neck shot. They also specifically found that only Oswald and no one else fired a shot that hit anyone in that limo. THATS what the select committee found. THEN, on the last day they took evidence, two liars claimed they could tell from a mono recording that not only were FOUR shots fired, but they claimed they could tell where the shots came from. No one has ever been able to duplicate these findings, because they are bullshit. Anyway, they accepted these liars and came to the only possible conclusion: since oswald fired 3 times, a fourth shot meant another shooter and its too stupid for reason to accept a coincidence, so there must have been a conspiracy. And they specifically said so. The ONLY reason or evidence of a fourth shot was the tape. 97% of the eyewitnesses said 3 or fewer shots. But since then, we have learned that the dictabelt tape they used was made a few minutes after the shooting, and in fact doesnt reflect ANY gunfire. A police officer saying “hold here” right after the “shots” confirms the limo had already left at the time the recording was made. Care to comment further?
The shooter missed. Jackie was NOT shot. No one and nothing indicates a shot from the side, and a 90 degree deflection shot is so hard your advocacy tells me you dont understand firearms.
The warren Commission which you seem to get much of your information was controlled by the c.i.a and the f.b.i whose total goal was to find Oswald the lone assassin , I'm not saying he didn't play some part ,But he wasn't the lone assassin !!!
You said the only shooter was Oswald. What about ED HOFFMAN who actually seen 2 shooters taking apart their rifles behind the picket fence by the electrical boxes near the triple underpass. Ed would have no reason to lie. Ed was a deaf mute but he had good eyes He actually saw the killers .. So there were more than one shooter He was there We were not. You were not there either sir so who are we to say he did not see that.. Ed swears he saw the two killers just seconds after the assassination. I still believe Oswald fired from the DEPOSITORY but he was not the only shooter in Dealey Plaza that day Nov 22 1963
Ed’s family said he is insane and constantly trying to insert himself into news stories. He didnt see anything. And the medical and physical evidence proves no one hit him from the front. So other than reality....
Now to the right of the zapruder pedestal is cement steps where 3 people were standing on the Moorman photo, if a shot came from the knoll it would have sailed over their head, wouldn’t, you holler to high heaven to anyone who would listen that these shots were their, their was little from these 3 to verify and they were there.
Finally got to visit Dealey Plaza last month, and I agree with you. It's small; looks a lot bigger in videos because the cameras always seem to have wide angle lenses. I'm certainly not a shooter, but was raised with guns, like most country boys, and I could still make that shot (don't know about the timing, never tried it) - plus most of the suspected shooting spots just don't work once you've been there. Wish you had covered the culvert shot theory, too. The problem with arguing with CT's is that they mistake opinion with proof. They also keep re-directing the discussion. Disprove any theory - often not that hard to do - and they just say, " but what about X?" It's never ending. Anyhow, thanks for the video and the entertaining arguments.
Its interesting that after being thrashed by the facts challenging your ignorant position on whether Oswald did this, which is the subject of the video, youre devolved into trying to "bet" youre a better shot than me, and saying i dont get enough PT. What would you shooting better than me using "thermal" prove about whether Oswald could do this? Why not propose a bet where YOU risk money if i can duplicate Oswalds shots? Wouldnt that better further the argument? None of the vomit youve posted has anything to do with whether Oswald did it, but i suppose you know that already. Its all you could come up with.
You can have all the logical common sense evidence in the world but it will never be enough for the conspiracy theorist who will nitpick you to death. They have turned it into a religious belief and it is difficult for them to let go.
If one walks back along the fence about 8 ft on the other side of the large tree, the knoll shot could be taken to enter the left temple and exit on the left side of the target's head.
Shot hit his right side temple an exploded out right lower side of his skull. Many research pros think very last shot came from triple underpass straight to the right side of limmo. After throat shot an next to last shot which hit him in back from most likely book blg that they just passed limmo was not far away at all from the triple underpass.
@@davidwilliams4498 nope. He was hit in the rear and the bullet came out over his right eye. Gtfo with false claims. You get your own opinion, not your own facts.
James Files says he was 8 ft from the end of the fence ,when he shot JFK & right of a tree. You maybe to far left to be the shooter.Seems there were a couple of old men standing on the concrete walkway ,going down to the street that would have gottin in Files way.
Steve Brock yeah, he’s full of shit. Kennedys skull wounds were front and back. A grassy knoll shot, in addition to being the hardest deflection shot there is, would have resulted in not only a side to side wound, which is absent, but also the pass through would have hit Jackie, which we know didn’t happen.
Files said he shot a 22 cal gun. I don't know enough about guns to know if that one would go through JFK head & hit Jackie. We may never know exactly what happen & that's a shame. He ( Files ) just got out of jail this past year. Interview him.
Steve Brock wrong. We know exactly what happened. Only conspiracy fools hide behind we don't know what happened. IT DOESN'T MATTER what caliber the liar claims. Kennedy had front and back head wounds. Not side wounds. That idiot claims he used a 221 fireball, at the time a wildcat cartridge. Yeah, assassins trying to get away with a kill always use unique rounds. That's like leaving a calling card. That yahoo never shot anyone.
Excellent video. Would have been cool to see where "Badge man" was supposedly located in comparison to Zapruder and the other witnesses to dispel that silly conspiracy as well. Oh and let's not forget that Oswald was living in a boarding house room the size of a closet with $13 dollars in his pocket and a $12 mail order rifle as his weapon of choice. "Big time mafia hitman" indeed SMH
Saved your video to my Oswald did shoot JFK playlist. Your comments are hilarious in their brutal honesty that the CT community lacks. And I thought that I was rough slapping those dolts around.
I note thar despite a direct question, you didn't say whether you have any military training, that nutless treatment speaks volumes. Run along, conspiratard. You lack critical thinking skills. Be gone, smug turd.
He called Raleigh, NC when he was in custody with the DPD. Why? Why does a loser in Dallas call an unlisted number of a counter Intel agent in Raleigh, NC? Ask yourself this - before you dismiss.
@@matthewreed4936 no, i just dismiss. Oswalds own brother knew him far better than you or even Marl Lane, who never met him. He was convinced he did it, alone, because he was such an a hole that he could not work with anyone else. Think about what that says about Oswald.
@@citadelgrad87 I know what you're feeling, I do, sincerely. I don't know enough to say if Oswald wasn't a shooter, or innocent of the plot, he may well be one of other gunman that day. But ask yourself - why was Allen Dulles brought in to head the Warren Report? You realize that the CIA has no experience in law enforcement and how to solve crimes? Would you bring you bring in a pool cleaner to do your taxes?
Best books, Case Closed Gerald Posner and Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi. After years of reading these two convinced me of what really happened that day. Yes, Oswald could have easily made those shots from the sniper's perch were he was. Lets not forget about the witnesses that were almost directly under that perch. The heard all the shots, and the shell casings hitting the floor. That is proof my friend. I could have made those shots too. Oswald was an excellent shot and when he first joined the Marines he qualified as a Marksman. It was only later when he declared himself a Marxist that his shooting skills declined. He just didn't care and wanted out. As for the mystery missing bullet, I believe the thought is he fired that a shot when the motorcade was right in front of him on Elm. That would have been his easiest and closest shot. If memory serves me correctly that bullet is thought to have been deflected by a tree branch and landed downrange. Remember one guy was hit by "something" that deflected off a curb and bits of concrete hit him on his face. Anyway, I've been there too and it is amazing to see. The whole thing has been "Case Closed" for me for years, but it still gets a visit from time to time. Thanks for the video! Cheers.
@@robertjordinelli3041 So, I take it you don't think Oswald worked alone? Who do you think he partnered with? You think the head shot came from the front? Someone in one of the Limo's shot him? Which Book or Book's to you think got it right?
@@robertjordinelli3041 I see were your coming from and yes the limo shooting is silly. However I think Posner (sp?) Makes a good argument why Oswald would not have been a good candidate for the KGB or the CIA in my humble opinion. I still he makes the best the case for what actually happened. I doubt if we will ever know the complete truth about that day.
@@robertjordinelli3041 that's fine we will have to agree to disagree on this. Posner arrogant or not and agreeing with the Warren report just shows to me how through the Warren report was. Bugoluski and Posner accentually Reaches the same conclusion. I think the jist is whether or not there was more than one shooter and if so therefore a conspiracy. That I don't buy.
A conspiracy fan/liar attempted to filibuster with lies. The shots HAVE been duplicated, several times, including on film. Search UA-cam for "oswalds shots replicated" and you'll see Dan rather narrating a segment where they approached several men at a shooting range, none familiar with the carcano, none permitted to test fire it, fired at a moving target from an elevated position. Several were able to score 2 hits in the same time, one guy got 3 hits, even better than Oswald did. It was an 88 yard shot. Stop pretending this was some amazing marksmanship.
@@davidwilliams4498 wrong. Deleted, because you are just lying.
The shots have never been duplicated in that environment. The test that was done on CBS was not an equivalent. I took the same Marine rifle training that Oswald did and by that training we would have taken the shot on Houston not Elm. That does not say that Oswald did not do it, but for a single shooter, the Houston shot makes more sense. He may have had a number of reasons for waiting, we will never know.
@joenazaro5962 that's a little silly. "In that environment"? Did they do it FROM the TSBDB? NO. Did they do it from a platform the same elevation as the 6th floor at a moving target the same distance? Yes. Several times, many different shooters. It was an 88 yard shot. You may have decided to do it from another position, but you could have made those shots. Thanks for watching.
Trusting Dan Rather is a big mistake. danratherjournalist.org/ground/crises-and-conflicts/kennedy-assassination/video-rather-describes-zapruder-film
I disagree.. The key to the plan was waiting until the limo to tuned onto Elm, because then it’s trapped, and the driver has one option… Drive through the kill zone..
Other advantages too, the target is obstructed on Houston, and unobstructed on Elm.. The protection is confused.. Attacking on Houston would most likely bring immediate return fire, and limit your opportunity..
But most importantly, the driver has option on Houston, and only one option on Elm..
Oswald was a trained marine… He knew what he was doing..
Sir, would a trained assassin rather fire at a target 88 yards away moving away or fire at a target approaching at a shorter distance?......
James Ballard Like many things, it depends. an 88 yard target is very close and child's play. The "closer" shot is more complicated, because, although the distance is shorter, the target is moving left to right, and this movement must be compensated for. simply, the target is moving side to side, so to hit it you need to put the bullet where the target will be When the bullet gets there, Not where the target is when you pull the trigger. lead is harder to compensate for than distance. the knoll shot is far more difficult than the window shot.
Sir, Would a trained assassin rather shoot thru a window at less than 100yards to miss a General sitting at his desk because he hit the window frame or would he rather fire at a target moving away and downhill from him and hit it 3 times with deadly accuracy?
Mal Daley He might do both especially as he missed the General.
+James Ballard
Had Oswald fired before the turn onto Elm, the secret service would have seen him and RETURNED FIRE! Also, the secret service and law enforcement would have stormed the building and Oswald would not have been able to get out!!!! Oswald waited to fire because he was less likely to be seen, and had a better chance to escape!!! Also, the shot down Elm was even easier than if he fired at the limo moving towards him! It was an easier shot to line-up!
@@maldaley235 He only hit his target twice. The first shot missed, second struck JFK in the back, third(which nearly missed) was the fatal shot. Oswald had all the time he needed to accomplish his mission. Not "6 seconds", he had a little over 8 and a half seconds.
Howard Brennan did not identify Oswald in the 6th floor window. Howard stated he seen a man with brown hair,5'10", 165 lbs, and with a 30/30 rifle. Howard correctly identified the average man but he also incorrectly identified the rifle as a 30/30 which is a lever action. Oswald was 5'6" and 135lbs and the carcano was bolt action. Howard's testimony in a court of law would have equated to not much at all and certainly would not have implicated Oswald. The police line up of Oswald was bogus too. You can't put a guy in a line up with a mouse over one eye, tattered clothes and with other people wearing suits. Most of which were cops. Laughable!
There is a miss that struck the manhole cover on the opposite side of the street from the grassy knoll. FBI agent Barrett recovered the round and it was never seen again but picture and eyewitnesses from the sheriff's office report this and photos taken of him picking it up and putting it in his pocket. This missed round did not and could not have came from the TSBD. It came from the top of the county records building. It's still there for all the world to see today. The actual shooter on the records building can actually be seen in the sprocket hole information of the Zapruder film. Leroy Blevins has a video to point this out for you so you can see for yourself. I don't agree with Leroy on much but it was a good find all the same.
Oswald was seen in the lobby 10-15 minutes prior to the assassination getting change from the receptionist on the 1st floor. Sort of odd if you were planning on shooting someone. What is really odd is that he would not have had any idea that the motorcade was running behind by 10 minutes because they were scheduled to be at the trade mart @ 12:30 but didn't arrive to Dealey Plaza til 12:30. It's another 10 minutes to the trade mart at motorcade speed.
Immediately after the last heard shot was fired, Sandra Styles and Victoria Adams went from the windows of the 4th floor to the stairwell and proceeded to the street. Their boss, Dorothy Garner stood in the stairwell and watched the ladies go down the stairs out of sight and the next two people she seen was Baker and Truly coming up the stairs. Oswald never passed any of these ladies because he was on the 2nd floor drinking a Dr. Pepper. The Girl on the Stairs by Barry Ernest tells the story in its entirety.
Humes never performed an autopsy on a gunshot wound prior to Kennedy and neither had Boswell. Pierre Finck was the only real knowledgeable pathologist there but he got to the autopsy late and every time that he inquired about a wound, some general would pull him off to the side and start asking him questions. Finck got aggravated at this because they kept him from being an active participant in the autopsy. Read Finck's Warren Commission testimony to see that I am not BS'ing you. Anyways, I hope you actually become a student of the assassination. Spouting incorrect facts whether for or against the lone nut or conspiracy should be refrained from because it just makes you look stupid and ill informed. It becomes even worse when you start calling everyone that disagrees with you names like asshole or dickhead. Oh, and by the way, you are not the only person on here that is a sharpshooter or weapons expert. There is no way to verify your gloating statements and frankly, with today's optics and weapons, 900 yrds might as well be 88yrds....I mean Oswald used a junk rifle that the scope was off so bad that the FBI had to shim it to put shots on target to test it. Now, that is some serious ass shooting right there. The scope was offset mount but then why have a scope on a fixed front sight rifle if you weren't going to use it?
Study up friend!
Wrong. Brennans id of oswald is what led, directly, to officer Tippett stopping him. It was broadcast on the dallas pd radio. Your claim that in a court of law, his description wouldn't mean much, thats rank speculation, and the mountain of evidence against oswald was plenty to convict him. Vincent Bugliosi, who, unlike you, has actually prosecuted murder cases, evaluated the evidence and said there was more solid evidence that pointed directly at oswald than in any case he ever worked. Do yourself a favor and read his book. Ive read the warren report, and several other well written books, including bugliosis book. He destroys the conspiracy nonsense, methodically and with citations to the evidence. Oswald was never seen with a dr pepper, thats urban legend that you simply repeat like a robot. He was in the doorway to the lunchroom with nothing in his hand, and its less than a 90 second walk from where Oswald shot to the anteroom. Do yourself a favor and learn the evidence.
fiddlefolk You are an IMBECILE. Oswalds description was broadcast on the Dallas PD net, and Tippett stopped him based on that description. Your "patsy" them murdered Tippett in front of about 12 people who saw some or all of the murder.
Go sell bullshit somewhere else, kid.
Lane is a bigger idiot than you are. Hes a charlatan. Twelve people saw oswald shoot Tippett, or saw him run towrds him, heard gunfire,,amd run away. You're a typical fingers in the ears conspiratard.
No, you're a dumbass who doesnt understand what the evidence is, or what it means. Youre a cherry picking conspiratard who decided that he will believe in ANYTHING, as long as Oswald is innocent.
fiddlefolk you're a simple minded fuckhesa who lacks critical thinking skills. Here's a tip, dumbass, slapping quotes on proof doesn't erase evidence, you fucking moron.
Thanks for the detailed video! At 5:52 to 6:15 you mentioned it is a doable shot. Agreed but I don't see how Oswald could possibly have got another accurate final head-shot with a bolt action rifle. That is one of the main reasons I believe Oswald did not assassinate JKF
He had nine seconds to work the bolt twice and shoot twice. The timer doesnt even start until he fires the first shot. Its been duplicated many times. Its quick but not overly fast.
And thank you for the compliment.
@@citadelgrad87 - i have never seen a video of an actual scale model of Daley Plaza, target moving, exact height of 6th floor etc, with bolt action rifle. Seems a remote scale model could be built somewhere and if all shots the same as Oswald's, would be allot of conspiracy theorists (including me) beliefs to rest. Please share video if you have seen assassination model to scale with moving target, bolt action rifle etc reproduced. TY
@@Davelakful Of course. you can find it right here on UA-cam. ua-cam.com/video/ghmY6HmR4fs/v-deo.html. Dan Rather narrates. One guy was able to make THREE shots, several made 2 in the time alotted. Same rifle, same sight, 11 guys. None was permitted a practice run on the scenario.
@@citadelgrad87 - wow! That is crazy they could do that with a bolt action rifle. Thank You for sharing!!
What do you say about Dr. McClellan who was in the emergency room within inches of the president , believes the head shot came from the front? Especially after he saw Zepruder film.
The doctors never lifted the president to examine his back. His hair and face would have been totally caked in blood. As a trauma surgeon I can tell you its impossible to tell what’s going on when a victim has a headshot.
Have you listened to him explain what he saw? Just wondering.
@@mazyarkanani6708
I've read through the comments and gather that you believe LHO was the only shooter. If you buy into the LHO 'lone gunman' theory, and only three shots, then explain (please) a few things. I'm not trolling, I would genuinely like to know how you reconcile these things.
1) Connally's own statement about being shot (paraphrased a bit): 'It felt like I was hit in the back with a balled up fist. It threw me forward in the seat.' We see this happen just a split second AFTER the head shot in the Zapruder film. If the bullet that hit Kennedy in the back and went through his throat ALSO is the bullet that hit Connally, we would see his reaction happen right after the limo passes the sign (where JFK grabs his throat). Connally turns around, looks to his right, then the head shot, then Connally appears to be hit. If the head shot round fragmented and went all over the limo, it couldn't have hit Connally. It also appears that the throat shot didn't hit Connally either. The source you quoted below (mcadams.posc.mu.edu/limo.htm) states "The last two shots were separated by about .744 of a second (or about 13.6 Zapruder frames)" That's roughly the elapsed time on the Z-film between the headshot and Connally's reaction to being shot.. LHO could not have gotten off two shots in such rapid succession with his rifle. And why would he have done so? The head shot had already done the job on Kennedy.
2) The drawings that were made to show the angle of the bullet that created JFK's back/neck wound all show him leaned forward at an angle. (There's a drawing such as this on the JFK autopsy Wiki page, for quick reference.) Having his upper torso leaned forward is the only way this shot is possible (as the bullet entered at roughly the same height on his back as it exited from his throat.) The problem is that we see Kennedy (in the Z-film) sitting quite upright and waving at the crowd when he grabs his throat. Sitting straight up as he was, a shot from above on a downward angle into his upper back would have exited much lower than his throat. The only way this wound makes sense is a shot fired from a much lower elevation.
3) The windshield. Whether it was a crack or a hole (as many witnesses described), whether it came from the front or back, it is still an extra round that must be accounted for. As must the round that hit the chrome trim on the top of the windshield. Although your source states that the 'last round fired' hit Connally in the wrist, went into the windshield, bounced off into the rear-view mirror and into the trim, while at the same time wounding bystander James Tague who was quite a distance from the limo. I think that's ridiculous, but even taken at face value, that's a third bullet (if you buy the magic bullet theory).
So, let's count. 1 round to the throat (that couldn't have hit Connally, based on his own description and his reaction on the Z-film). 1 head shot. 1 shot to Connally's back just after the head shot. 1 round caused damage to the limo. 1 round hit the curb in front of James Tague (standing at the entrance to the overpass). Even if you remove one shot by claiming the headshot bullet also did the damage to the limo, that's still four, which is what the HSCA found.
4) If the head shot came from the rear, why did nearly everyone at Parkland describe a huge gaping hole in the back of JFK's head? Even making sketches of it as such. Either all of these trauma practitioners were wrong (highly unlikely), or the round came from the front. Why was a piece of the back of JFK's skull (coming from an area of the skull fitting exactly the location of the gaping hole described by the MD's at Parkland) found in the median? Why did SS agent Sam Kinney state he 'saw the back of JFK's head come off immediately' when the fatal shot was inflicted? (Source: mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/skullfragments.html) Either all these people are mistaken, and the bone fragment was from someone else, or the autopsy photo of the small bullet hole in the (completely intact) back of JFK's head are, um, inaccurate.
nytephntom Bugliosi’s Reclaiming History gets really granular about the evidence
All four of your points are extremely flawed and mostly just plain untrue, so nothing needs to be reconciled with them. Sigh. If you get the facts straight, then you find those things do not have to reconciled with anything.
@@peterfraser9070 No, my points are based on well-documented and factual evidence, along with a basic understanding of physics and the ability to count.
@@zlungbutterz3307 😂
Agree
I have been to all the areas in Dealey plaza that are shown in this video. From the point behind the fence where poster shot that segment of the video, the fence extends to his right towards the train bridge. As you move away from the the point where the video was shot the distance away from bystanders increases. Also the angle of a shot to the street would come more from the front right of the limo and less perpendicular, which would have put Mrs. Kennedy less in the line of fire.
If you think Oswald did this alone then you just ignored over 20 doctors who examined jfk and determined it was a front shot that killed him.
Wrong. First, kid, “20” doctors did NOT examine him, it was an emergency room, not a crowded club. There were only a handful. Second, kid, NONE of them even bothered to turn him over. Not one. They never looked at the back of his head. Xrays and plain film prove to a 100% certainty, through beveling fractures of the skull, a 100% reliable indicator of the direction of gunfire, it was a rear shot. Third, these doctors agreed, every one of them, that the autopsy photos matched what they saw: In 1988, Public Broadcasting's NOVA got permission to show the Parkland doctors the original autopsy photos and x-rays in the National Archives. They were allowed as much time as they wished to view the materials, and then their reactions were filmed.
Richard Dulaney
"I don't see evidence of any alteration of his wound in these pictures from what I saw in the emergency room."
Marion Jenkins
"Nothing that I've seen would make me think it had been changed from what happened that day."
Robert McClelland
"I find no discrepancy between the wounds as they're shown very vividly in these photographs and what I remember very vividly . . . "
Paul Peters
"Looking at these photos, they're pretty much as I remember President Kennedy at the time." Peters then mentions one minor discrepancy -- a small incision that he believes the autopsy doctors made while removing the brain.
@@citadelgrad87 well dipshit you need to go do some more research because 20 doctors did infact say it was a frontal shot, including the head of surgery that day . They didn’t have to turn him over idiot, his brains were falling out the back of his head and on the bed.
@@shawnbicknell7796Prove it big mouth
@@shawnbicknell7796Bring your proof bigmouth, I want to see you back it up. Talk a big show, bring a big show.
@@citadelgrad87You’re right on brother. This meathead needs to get schooled.
I am so glad to see a view from behind the fence. I dont think there is anywhere behind that fence that a person could have stood and shot JFK straight through the right side of his face. There's no way. As you said, he was not shot from the side. The bullet traveled straight through. How could it be possible from behind the fence and with him already slouching towards Jackie. That eliminates Alotta the conspiracy gibberish which is just big business. There was people sittin in the car, people standing at the bottom of the stairs and a windshield in the way also hah. I mean the shooter would have to hang his gun out over the fence into the middle of ELM street to shoot him straight on. NOTICE noone has ever done or will ever do a shot trajectory video from the fence. It would be game over for all conspiracy stuff.
Agree, from behind the fence you'd need to be 7 feet tall or on a ladder and then where did this bullet end up? All bullet fragments in the limo were found forward of the jump seats which lines up with the head shot coming from the rear.
I took the Kennedy tour. First off the shot came from the 6th floor not seventh. The museum has the window locked up with a gate chan
Yeah, thats EXACTLY what i said in the video.
Oswald had very easy shots and took those shots. The first shot that hit Kennedy in the neck, was from behind. Doctors have said that. The fatal shot was close as well. No one fired a shot from the Grassy Knoll. It would have been an easy bullseye from there, but the escape routes were closed. I have been there too.
Agreed, except it is wrong to call a 90 degree deflection shot at a moving vehicle “easy”. Youve clearly never tried it.
CitadelGrad : tell me this. If you believe that LHO was the only shooter, then you believe the theory that only 3 shots were fired. Tell me please how can you account for the #1 Throat shot, #2 the missed shot that hit concrete and hit Tague in the face with shrapnel concrete, #3 the limo windshield shot, #4 the limo stainless steel header shot, #5 the Stemmons sign that had multiple bullet holes, #6 the fatal head shot. Note : I'm not even counting supposed other shots that hit Connelly and the road sign. If you are going to put out a video of the area and take the time to show us the "lay of the land", then please gets some of your facts straight before you post the craziness of the Warren Comm in your verbal "take". 3 shots indeed....
Show me evidence that there are any holes in the stennis sign. A dated photo showing none the day before and holes shortly after would be fine. I suggest YOU get your facts straight, sir. Lets start with the "ear" witnesses. The vast majority of people who claim to have heard shots, 81%, say there were three shots. Only 5% of the people who said they knew how many shots were fired heard "four or more". Additionally, more than half of the people who heard shots said they came fromTSBDB, under half said grassy knoll. But, again, only 5% said they heard shots from two directions. As difficult as it is to determine the direction of gunfire, particularly in a man made canyon like Dealey, its relatively easy to tell that two different guns are shooting from different places. Plus, of course, there is the overwhelming number that say only three shots were fired. What is your method for discounting 81% of the witnesses? Source mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shots.htm
As to the shots/damage you want me to account for, my opinion on the order of shots is the first shot missed the limo, and is the shot that hit the curb and likely the cheek of the guy downrange that was slightly bleeding. If I recall correctly, someone else told him he was bleeding, he didn’t know he had been hit.
Shot #2 hit JFK in the upper back, exited the throat going forward. We know this shot was traveling from back front for several reasons: Connelly was in the way for a central shot into JFK from the front, no one else in the car but Connelly was hit, Connelly said the shots came from above and behind, there was no shot through the windshield (your claim is false. The windshield was cracked from the later headshot bullet that fragmented, its been photographed an is, in fact, still sitting in the national archives, it was cracked but not penetrated, if you disagree, show me a photo showing a bullet hole through the windshield, there isnt one, but there ARE photos of the windshield just cracked), and you cant hit JFK in the throat without going through both the windshield and Connelly.
So Connelly absolutely was not hit from the front, even though he was in the way, and jfk was hit by a bullet going back to front that left his body going forward and down. The windshield was cracked but thus was a fragment, but this throat shot left intact. No one else and nothing else in the car was hit by an intact round moving forward and slowed by having passed through JFK. Except Connelly, who had an oblong, NOT round, entrance wound in his upper back. That indicates a round that is slowing and starting to yaw, unlike the neat round hole the round made in JFKs upper back, exactly how a heavy jacketed round acts after it already passed through another body. It is indisputable that for all the nonsense “eleven wounds” crap, Connelly’s back, chest, nicked rib, wrist and leg wounds were all from the same shot. So he got hit from the back, but JFK was in the way of someone hitting him from the back, and JFK had a bullet leave from his body moving forward and down, and nobody but Connelly was hit. That’s two shots. The last shot hit JFK in the back of the head and, just like the multiple shots to skulls filled with animal or simulated brains since, the heavy round yawed right away when it entered the semi liquid brain cavity, and because of the massive centrifugal force on the spinning round, came apart, fragmenting and traveling forward, with some fragments lodging in the floor mats up front, some hitting the windshield and trim
There were no other shots fired that day, other than those fired by Oswald at officer JD Tippett when Oswald murdered him with a revolver in front of eleven people who saw some or all of the exchange and identified him in a line up later that day.
Please don’t flit in here and tell me to learn the facts, ok? I know way more about this than you do, its not my "verbal take", its supported by all of the evidence.
For the dipshit James Crowetard, here is my answer AGAIN:
Show me evidence that there are any holes in the stennis sign. A dated photo showing none the day before and holes shortly after would be fine. I suggest YOU get your facts straight, sir. Lets start with the "ear" witnesses. The vast majority of people who claim to have heard shots, 81%, say there were three shots. Only 5% of the people who said they knew how many shots were fired heard "four or more". Additionally, more than half of the people who heard shots said they came fromTSBDB, under half said grassy knoll. But, again, only 5% said they heard shots from two directions. As difficult as it is to determine the direction of gunfire, particularly in a man made canyon like Dealey, its relatively easy to tell that two different guns are shooting from different places. Plus, of course, there is the overwhelming number that say only three shots were fired. What is your method for discounting 81% of the witnesses? Source mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shots.htm
As to the shots/damage you want me to account for, my opinion on the order of shots is the first shot missed the limo, and is the shot that hit the curb and likely the cheek of the guy downrange that was slightly bleeding. If I recall correctly, someone else told him he was bleeding, he didn’t know he had been hit.
Shot #2 hit JFK in the upper back, exited the throat going forward. We know this shot was traveling from back front for several reasons: Connelly was in the way for a central shot into JFK from the front, no one else in the car but Connelly was hit, Connelly said the shots came from above and behind, there was no shot through the windshield (your claim is false. The windshield was cracked from the later headshot bullet that fragmented, its been photographed an is, in fact, still sitting in the national archives, it was cracked but not penetrated, if you disagree, show me a photo showing a bullet hole through the windshield, there isnt one, but there ARE photos of the windshield just cracked), and you cant hit JFK in the throat without going through both the windshield and Connelly.
So Connelly absolutely was not hit from the front, even though he was in the way, and jfk was hit by a bullet going back to front that left his body going forward and down. The windshield was cracked but thus was a fragment, but this throat shot left intact. No one else and nothing else in the car was hit by an intact round moving forward and slowed by having passed through JFK. Except Connelly, who had an oblong, NOT round, entrance wound in his upper back. That indicates a round that is slowing and starting to yaw, unlike the neat round hole the round made in JFKs upper back, exactly how a heavy jacketed round acts after it already passed through another body. It is indisputable that for all the nonsense “eleven wounds” crap, Connelly’s back, chest, nicked rib, wrist and leg wounds were all from the same shot. So he got hit from the back, but JFK was in the way of someone hitting him from the back, and JFK had a bullet leave from his body moving forward and down, and nobody but Connelly was hit. That’s two shots. The last shot hit JFK in the back of the head and, just like the multiple shots to skulls filled with animal or simulated brains since, the heavy round yawed right away when it entered the semi liquid brain cavity, and because of the massive centrifugal force on the spinning round, came apart, fragmenting and traveling forward, with some fragments lodging in the floor mats up front, some hitting the windshield and trim
There were no other shots fired that day, other than those fired by Oswald at officer JD Tippett when Oswald murdered him with a revolver in front of eleven people who saw some or all of the exchange and identified him in a line up later that day.
Please don’t flit in here and tell me to learn the facts, ok? I know way more about this than you do, its not my "verbal take", its supported by all of the evidence.
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James crowtard bleats and whines about me calling names, then gets frustrated and instantly attacks my appearance. I guess you really aren't above it, fucktard. Typical coward internet douche. Fucking nutless, clueless, and gutless piece of shit.
James crowe, defeated, dejected, and smashed. Run along, little douche.
King Fish eat feces, kid.
Great video. Havent seen one like it in all my years of JFK research. Great common sense talk about a shooter on the knoll with a rifle firing just yards away from bystanders.
Jeez, you knoll people are morons....seriously....
More than a few professional "trained snipers" have claimed that they couldn't duplicate Oswald's performance--and more than a few have actually demonstrated that they could under test conditions.
I counter that most of those professionals would have opted for better rifle and ammo--that is IF they could be persuaded to shoot POTUS. An expert shot could have done the Oswald shots with a revolver from the southeast corner sixth-floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. Could have--using .38 Special 148-grain match wadcutters in a six-inch revolver with target sights. The PPC fired out to 60 yards back in the day. I have been shooting pistols at 50 yards, 75 yards, and 100 yards for forty years and results range from dismal to surprising--the surprise is that I managed to hit at all.
Speaking of surprises, one evening when I was running my county's public rifle range a pair of archers showed up. The range was empty except for them, and I held the range open a few minutes late while they nailed 4-inch diameter bulls' eyes with their compound bows and target arrows out to 50 yards distance 100%.
Firing speed is another issue. I'll confine this comment to accuracy because discussing time would take much more space.
The shots were not impossible for a semi-skilled rifleman. A skilled sniper probably would have pulled off the assassination differently. No record of Private Lee Harvey Oswald being trained as a sniper has been revealed to the public.
My only question is, as you stated yourself, "the first shot was to the throat", how do you shoot a guy in the throat from behind? I enjoyed the video and hearing your opinion.
Thank you. It exited his throat. He was shot in the upper back, and the round came out through his tie, moving forward and down, and slowing as it struck Gov Connelly in the upper back. The entrance wound in JFK was a circle, but the entrance wound in Connelly was oblong, because the bullet had slowed and began to tumble.
I used to believe that the shot to JFK's throat came from behind. However, now that we have so many resources available, I have changed my mind. I definitely believe there was a triangulation of snipers on Elm Street. For the bullet to strike Kennedy in the back, several inches below the collar, from the sixth-floor window of the TSBD, then exit his throat? No, the angles just don't work. JFK would have had to be tying his shoe when he was hit for such a trajectory to make sense. Also, the doctors of Parkland ER saw gunshot wounds on almost a daily basis. They knew an entrance wound when they saw it. The claim that this shot came from the rear, and the ridiculous "magic bullet" theory are simply our government's efforts to hide its participation in the coup. Are you aware, CE399, the "pristine magic bullet" was "NEVER" identified by Parkland Hospital Senior Engineer, Darrell C. Tomlinson as the bullet he found near the gurney at Parkland? He, and three other witnesses stated that that the bullet they all saw and handled had a "POINTED TIP" not a "ROUNDED TIP" like the Carcano round, CE399. During Arlen Specter's (the sole creator of the the magic bullet theory) questioning of Tomlinson concerning the bullet he found, Specter never showed Tomlinson CE399, or even a photo of CE399. He never asked Tomlinson if this, CE399 was the bullet you found? He never asked Tomlinson to "describe" the bullet he found. The whole Warren Commision Report is based on this false evidence, CE399, as being the actual bullet Tomlinson found. The Warren Commision Report was nothing more than a government deception to the American people, about the "Coup of our President" carried out by the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, and the deep state. Pull up Arlen Specter's Warren Commission Deposition of Darrell C. Tomlinson. Five pages of detailed questions, of where, and how the bullet was found, but nothing about, "was this the bullet you found?"
@@mikefruge8589 wrong on all counts. Study up on sniping. Theres no such thing as a “triangulation of snipers”. Its idiotic. In the history of sniping, you cant come up with a single example of a team of two or more snipers assigned to shoot at the same target at the same time, for many reasons, primarily, its stupid. The IDEA of a sniper is one man, one rifle. They are fully capable of hitting their target, alone, at FAR greater range than the 88 yards here. Adding more than one shooter dramatically increases the odds that one is discovered but gives no better odds of success. It also creates a situation where the first one to pull the trigger causes a spoiler for the other shooters, because the target and security react to gunfire. Coordinating “simultaneous” shots ratchets up the difficulty for no additional gain. In this particular instance, you’ve got insurmountable physical proboems you can never overcome. The windshield was in the way of a frontal shot to JFK. So were two rows of passengers. The “ridiculous” single bullet FACT means that Connelly was literally masking Kennedy from the front. You could not hit jfk from the front at that instance without hitting Connelly. Also, the parkland doctors only thought it was an entrance wound because it was a neat hole. Thats it. They EXPECTED that the “other” hole was a larger exit wound, but no such wound existed anywhere on jfk’s body except over his right eye. Here’s the key. Oswald was firing heavy, jacketed military ball ammo. Its designed to penetrate, period. It does not create a large exit wound in most circumstances. Modern military ball ammo is much more likely to fragment and leave a large exit. Connely’s entry wound in his own back is shaped like an oval, or, more accurately, like a bullet that the Hulk threw at someone and it started to tumble. Because it WAS tumbling. The entry wound in jfks back is a perfect circle. That bullet entered there and drilled a neat hole, hitting no major bones, and traveling forward and down, exiting jfk and hitting Connelly as it had slowed because of jfk. It continued through connellys torso, nicking a rib and exiting below his nipple, into and out of his wrist, then lodging lightly in his thigh.
Your own ridiculous theory ignores the evidence. Jfks body was fully x rayed. They initially thought the same as you. But there WAS no bullet anywhere, just fragments in his brain from the headshot. So although you sneer at the magic bullet fact, your own theory has two entry wounds about 8 inches apart, NO EXIT WOUNDS, and no bullets inside his body. Plus the physical impossibility of hitting him there from the front.
Oh, and 95% of the witnesses heard only 3 or fewer shots, but you want to add another one. And 97% of the witnesses heard shots coming from a single location, only 3% thought they heard shots coming from two different locations. Youre ignoring the facts to try to make your theory fit.
However, when you fire 6.5 Carcano ammo into a semi liquid brian encased in skull, it immediately begins to yaw and violently fragments, as it did in jfks skull. The WC commissioned tests and found that the same type of bullet would reliably behave just as it did when fired into a skull.
Case closed.
@@mikefruge8589 also, absolute bullshit about “tying his shoe,” that would have resulted in an exit wound on the top of his skull.
@@citadelgrad87 There
3:35 I didn't realize just how close the Book Depository was to where the fatal shots hit the mark. What a perfect opportunity Oswald had to pull this off. That's a convenient angle too to aim and shoot someone in a slow-moving vehicle (for anybody who knows his way around a rifle). Thanks for sharing this video.
Then you are a better shot than Carlos Hathcock. Because he tried to do what Oswald supposedly did and could not do it. Hathcock was the the best sniper for the corp during Vietnam war. I suggest you read a book by Craig Roberts another Vietnam sniper and SWAT sniper who says he could not have done it. Book title is "The Kill Zone" by Craig Roberts. I have to disagree with almost everything you say, sorry. Watch the video where is everyone running to. Not the book depository. It was also proven in 1978 The House Select Committee on Assassinations determined that there was more than 3 shots and more than one shooter. The End.
WRONG ON ALL COUNTS. Hathcock never said that. There is NO RECORD of him trying to duplicate the shots. He killed a guy with a headshot from 2500 yards, or 28 times farther than this simple away shot. This was an 88 yard shot. Get a clue. The ONLY source of this dubious claim is…surprise, a guy selling a book to soft headed fools who claims Hathcock said it in private. Roberts is an idiot. Ive seen the shots duplicated on film, search youtube for “oswald shots replicated”. Watch that and youll see Roberts is full of shit. Disagree all you want, but you are wrong. Of the earwitnesses, just over half said the shots came from the TSBDB, the cop who saw Oswald in the stairwell was running upstairs in the building 90 seconds after the shots because he knew the shots came from there. Also, less than 3 of the witnesses claimed there were shots coming from two different places, that rules out a second shooter, cherry picker. The house select committee said oswald shot three times and hit jfk and connelly and caused all wounds, cherry picker. They SAID the ONLY reason they thought there were 4 shots, therefore another shooter, was the now totally discredited “dictabelt” recording, which two charlatans said proved 4 shots were fired. No other lab, ever, has been able to confirm this claim. And we now know the recording doesnt have ANY shots on it because it was made after the limo had already left the plaza based on a cop saying “hold here” after the “shots”. The end of your bullshit. Learn the facts.
This is an excellent video, and you are clearly well-informed about the facts of the JFK assassination. When weighing all of the evidence properly in this case I don't think there is any other reasonable conclusion than that LHO killed JFK and J.D. Tippit on his own.
I am not a shooter, so I have a question for you. It seems to me that the shot on Houston, while closer, may actually have been more difficult because the limo was moving towards Oswald (is it more difficult to track a target moving toward you or away from you?) and also because Houston runs beside the TSBD, so there would have been some lateral movement of the limo on Houston relative to Oswald's line of sight. What do you think? There is also of course the fact that you mentioned, which is that everyone would have known immediately where the shot came from, and also I think Oswald would have had to have made himself fully visible in the window taking the shot while the limo was on Houston, as opposed to being able to hide back in the corner when taking the shot on Elm. The windshield and two rows of passengers would also be between Oswald and JFK on Houston, but not on Elm. Of course, if the shots did come from the 6th floor of the TSBD all of this speculation about how difficult the shots were is moot, since someone clearly was able to make those shots that day.
You probably already know this, but in the rapid-fire part of Oswald's Marine Corps shooting test he was able to hit 8 out of 10 bullseyes from 200 yards and 7 out of 10 bullseyes from 300 yards, both of which results are rated above expert level.
Do you discount the House Select Committee on Assassinations?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations
There have been multiple official investigations into JFK's death. Some of those investigations were ended on official orders and the evidence gathered in those other official investigations turned over to other agencies, lost, or destroyed. ONI refused to comply with Congress and said that it's Oswald files had been destroyed. FBI Agent Hosty testified before the HSCA that he destroyed a note from Oswald (and other material, too) on orders. Dallas PD's investigation had to turn over all investigative leads to the FBI -- a factor that hampered Louisiana's investigation into a plot to kill JFK.
One can of worms kicked over by the HSCA were numerous plots against Fidel Castro, CIA involvement in attempted assassination of Charles De Gaulle, and dozens of other plots including a 2 November 1963 murder of South Vietnam's leader. Funny thing--on 2 November 1963 a phone call from a "Lee" changed JFK's plans to attend the Army/Navy Game held in Chicago and the arrest of three people in possession of rifles and evidence of a plot to kill JFK. Then there was Tampa on 18 November--another arrest of an armed potential assasin was made and instead of a parade, JFK was helicoptered to the rally.
I get it! Acting alone, Oswald managed this attempt from Mother Russia!
www.mentalfloss.com/article/30444/1960-retired-postal-worker-almost-killed-jfk
Can't have TWO lone nuts--only Oswald, acting alone, without any help at all...
There were multiple attempts (not mere plots) on JFK's life and the last one I linked to happened between being elected and being sworn in as POTUS. Blanket denials have moth holes.
I was six when JFK died. My memories of that day were a routine walk to school, the normal lessons, and going home for a late lunch--my school was on the Air Force base in San Antonio and was half a day. When I got home, the adults were all angry--just like during the Cuban Missile Crisis the year prior only I was in Germany during 1962. For two days I wondered what I had done that made the adults so angry--and then I caught a televised replay of Ruby shooting Oswald. With that mystery explained, I accepted the official word that Oswald, acting alone, killed my president--and I was relieved that it WASN'T something I had done after all! About a decade later, I read the Warren Report and found flaws.
The Oliver Stone movie, JFK, was based on Louisiana's inquiry into the murder of President Kennedy. There was a prior movie casting doubt on the official story, "Executive Action" (1973) that I didn't see until the 21st Century. www.imdb.com/title/tt0070046/
There were lots of fiction prior to JFK's assassination that JFK saw (surprise--both starred Frank Sinatra):
www.imdb.com/title/tt0047542/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3
www.imdb.com/find/?q=the%20manchurian%20candidate&ref_=nv_sr_sm
The novel, "Seven Days in May," was released as a movie in 1964 but JFK commented on reading the book.
There was a lot of funny business going on. Denying all of that funny business discredits the lone nutters as thoroughly as the conspiracy theorists are discredited. I don't know who killed Kennedy. Neither Lone Nut narrative nor screaming "CONSPIRACY THEORISTS" works, though if the public opinion polls are accurate, more Americans believe that JFK died as the result of a conspiracy than believe Oswald, acting alone and with zero help from anybody else did the deed.
Makes me wonder--was Jack Ruby only going to punch Oswald in the nose, but Oswald pulled a gun, shot himself, and shoved the gun in Ruby's hands? No wonder Jack Ruby appeared confused! Where'd Oswald get the gun? Oh, don't be a conspiracy theorist!
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@@alancranford3398 When the HSCA reviewed the draft of its final report on the JFK assassination in December, 1978, it concluded that Oswald acted alone in killing JFK and J.D. Tippit. It was not until the very end of its investigation that the HSCA heard from Mark Weiss and Ernest Aschkenasy about the police motorcycle dictabelt recording, purporting to show that there were four shots. Foolishly, the HSCA accepted this interpretation of the dictabelt recording as accurate, and based solely on that piece of evidence--contrary to everything else they had found--concluded that there was likely a second gunman.
The National Academy of Sciences reviewed the acoustic evidence that the HSCA had relied upon to conclude there was likely a second gunman, and in May of 1982 determined the following: "The acoustic analyses do not demonstrate that there was a grassy knoll shot, and in particular there is no acoustic basis for the claim of 95% probability of such a shot.The acoustic impulses attributed to gunshots were recorded about one minute after the President had been shot and the motorcade had been instructed to go to the hospital. Therefore, reliable acoustic data do not support a conclusion that there was a second gunman."
Great tour...what camera do you use?
henrik h thanks. It's just a Gopro 4 and most of it was just hand held. Great clarity but the field of view is pretty wide.
Why hold onto the shoulder strap?
@@DanLivermore covering the logo of my daughters then high school. Overthinking security, i guess.
Excellent video
Not sure . witness that we're there said that at leasted one shot was fired from the fence. I believe there was two shooters. Oswald being one.
Except of ALL the witnesses, only 2 said shots came from two directions. Think about that: its hard to tell where the source if gunfire is in a man made canyon, but its easy to tell if there are two sources.
How was it a "doable" shot from the 6th floor when there was a Texas live oak tree with all of it's branches standing in the way, you needed to wait until the limo got further away to avoid the branches = extremely difficult shot even for an expert
WRONG. You dont know the facts, and you are not a shooter. The only tree between the sixth floor and Elm is a single tree close to the corner. It blocks a shot within about 20 yards of the window. After that, its a clear shot with no obstructions all the way to the triple underpass.
Do some research. The secret service shot a training film within a week of the assassination, using a camera in the same window Oswald was shooting from, and another looking up from a convertible standing in for the presidential limousine. We know the throat shot was about 54 yards, the head shot was 88. The stand in car is visible at all times after it clears the tree, and is a clear shot at 54 and 88 yards. Neither of those is a difficult shot for anyone with a rifle. Straight away shot at a slow moving vehicle.
Thanks foe watching, but you are absolutely wrong.
You obviously know nothing about the case, even a marine expert named Hathcock couldn't do the shooting which means you sure as hell couldn't
themanfrom2063.com/lee-harvey-oswalds-marksmanship/
+tram84mvp Buckle up, cupcake, it gets bumpy from here on in. I know "nothing about the case"? Please. I know more about this assassination than you ever will. I also know more about Gunny Hathcock than you ever will. Craig Roberts, who was trying to sell his own assassination book, www.amazon.com/Kill-Zone-Sniper-Looks-Dealey/dp/1494985667/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1493917873&sr=8-2&keywords=Craig+roberts
one that claims Oswald wasn’t the only shooter, is the only human that was present when he claims Gunny Hathcock said that. How convenient, the top recognized sniper supporting his pet theory, and helping him sell his book. Gullible much? There are no other witnesses. No one else says he said anything like that at any time.
Lets review what Gunny Hathcock WAS capable of doing. He shot an NVA soldier in the head at 2550 yards. He did it with an unmodified .50 M2 machine gun fitted with a telescopic sight. That's 28 times farther than Oswald's head shot. So i don't believe Craig Roberts. He never said that.
Also, even if Gunny Hathcock expressed doubts, HE WAS WRONG. Its a measured 88 yard shot. I've personally hit man hole covers, repeatedly, at 900 yards. 88 yards is child's play. I have two handguns that could easily hit a human head at 88 yards. 88 yards at a ten inch target moving slowly straight away. The shooting position was well supported. I cant remember the last time I shot any rifle at less than 100 yards unless I was hunting. An 88 yard shot at a ten inch target is astoundingly easy, and anyone, ANYONE who says otherwise knows nothing about shooting.
Again, you're wrong. Tell me again how I know nothing about this.
Great, another bloviating conspiratard, thumping his chest about how much he thinks he knows. Tell you what, champ, you either don't know the facts, like the location of that tree in terms of the trajectory of the shots, and the source of the alleged statement by Gunny Hathcock, which is the likely explanation, or you're a damned liar.
My money is on rank ignorance. Like most conspiracy fans, you bleat about open minds and questioning "everything", but you sheep simply accept and repeat as gospel any claim that you think supports your version. Like the Hathcock statement. I read Hathcock's biography in the mid 1980s, and he said nothing about JFK in that tome. So when I heard that a quote was attributed to him, it took a five minute google search to determine that the person who claimed he heard him say that is selling a book that claims multiple shooters. But weak minded you simply accepted it and repeated it, with all the understanding of a mynah bird.
The single bullet FACT is undeniable. Connelly was hit from behind. Once. He said he was shot from behind, his wounds parallel the path of the limo, and the windshield was not pierced by any projectile that could have hit him. Plus from the path of the wounds, a shooter from the front would have had to be on the limo floor. The entrance wound in his back was oblong, meaning that the bullet that hit him was starting to yaw, meaning it has slowed considerably from its muzzle velocity. That bullet exited his chest below the right nipple, passed through his wrist, and lodged in his thigh. Other than nicking a rib and smashing the delicate wrist bones, it hit no other bones. It behaved exactly as a heavy jacketed round is supposed to behave, it stayed together.
But there is a problem: JFK was behind him, masking him from a shot to the rear. You can't hit Connelly from above and behind without hitting JFK first.
JFK was also hit from the rear and above. He wasn’t hit from the front, because, as above, Connelly was in the way, as was the windshield. JFK suffered a wound that went in his back/shoulder area, and exited his throat, clipping his necktie on the way out. An intact projectile left him, moving forward, because he was x-ayed extensively and no bullets or fragments were anywhere in his body other than in his brain from the next shot, the head shot. And no one else in the car was hit, except Connelly. No seat, or windshield, or other part of the car was hit by an intact bullet. The windshield was cracked by a fragment, from the later headshot, but this did not pass through the windshield. The bullet hit no major bones, so it left with some momentum left.
So Connelly was hit from the rear by a slowing bullet starting to tumble, and JFK was between Connelly and the shooter (Oswald), and JFK had an intact, slowing bullet leave him moving foreward, and no part of the car or anyone else in it was hit by that bullet.
Explain, simpleton, how the simplest explanation is not that they were hit by the same shot? Oh, and "ear" witnesses say there were three shots. One miss, one "magic" shot, one head shot.
Child's play, as is destroying your assertions. Tell me, again, how you know more about this than me.
I guess that means your another lone nut loser who actually thinks LHO did it all by himself, wonder why they locked up the documents for 75 years if he did it by himself?, or what about the fact that the money order to buy the rifle has ZERO bank stamps so was never cashed, or how about the fact their were 2 Oswald' s as proven a million times over by John Armstrong, how about the fact that there is zero evidence Oswald ever went to Mexico city, how about the dark complected man who clearly has a radio and was a spotter for the murder, how about the massive evidence of multiple shots from multiple locations. how about the scores of witnesses who ran up the knoll - guess they were all mistaken, how about the German Mauser found in the TSBD that was disappeared when they couldn't connect it to Oswald, how about the secret service stealing JFK's body out of Dallas because they knew if Dallas Medical Examiner Earl Rose did the autopsy the case would have been broken wide open back in '63 - and who did they get to do the autopsy? - military guys who had never done an autopsy on a human and who had to take orders, i can go on forever but you will always believe government lies since you are a pathetic sheeple
no filming on the 6th floor? hummmmmm
The area where Oswald took the shots is blocked off. You can see it, but you cant go to the window.
What about the surgeon who pointed to his right temple as he explained the fatal wound to the media??
What about him? Got a name? You DO realize that not a single doctor at Parkland either turned JFK over to look at his entire head, nor did any of them chart any wound? And you DO realize that there are many high quality plain x ray films that have been authenticated as post mortem x rays of JFK to the exclusion of all other humans, and that show the temples intact and a front to rear orientation of the wounds!
interesting the spectators fell off just in this area BUT once on the other side of the tracks/overpass the crowd picked up again....
Interesting. The whole thing could be staged
All credible ballistic, film, eyewitness, medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate the shots all came from the sixth floor window and from Oswald's rifle, and it's vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.
and oswald didnt shoot
Oswald absolutely shot. Howard Brennan saw him standing in the window with the rifle. He also saw Oswald firing the rifle. Oswald was the only TBSD employee above the second floor when the rest left for lunch. Then he fled and murdered J.D. Tippett in broad daylight in front of about 12 witnesses who saw some or all of the murder. Then he tried to use the same revolver to murder the cops that caught him in the Texas Theater.
Wrong Wrong WRONG....Oswald did NOT shoot, the paraffin test in itself would have proved him innocent. Anyone who clings to one of the biggest LIES in history either 1. hasn't studied the case or 2. is just plain DUMB....no other options are possible.....thus, endeth the lesson....you're welcome !
+ITILII You're a functional imbecile. Another mushy headed conspiratard who repeats what others have told him, then has the balls to claim others dont know the case. Paraffin tests CANNOT and do not prove anyone innocent, moron. Parrafin tests only prove that at the time of the test, residue consistent with having fired a gun, usually a handgun, is present. Washing ones hands with soap and water will remove these chemicals. They arent used to prove "innocence", dummy.
Oh, and idiot of idiots, Oswald's paraffin test was positive on BOTH HANDS. Checkmate.
Tell me again how i dont know the facts, you conspiratard.
+ITILII hey, moron, why dont you post the FBI's findings of false negatives using Oswalds rifle and ammo from the same ammo company? False positives and false negatives were rampant in the test, and its no longer used. A closed chamber rifle of that type typically does not leave cheek residue. Shooters who rapid fired that rifle showed no residue on cheek or hands, cite mcadams.posc.mu.edu/factoid2.htm
Lets dance, cupcake. You come to my channel and vomit the same tired, stupid, lazy conspiratard nonsense, repeating what some other idiot told you with all the understsnding of a mynah bird, then pretend youre somehow superior? Not on my watch, idiot.
Thus endeth the lesson, imbecilic mynah bird.
Does anyone else notice how this blow hard douche went from "Oswald didn't shoot from where I would have shot from, therefore he didn't do it" to personal attacks on my appearance?
That's called a non Sequitur, punk. You changed the subject because I dominated you with the facts.
Piss off. You're a douche who knows NOTHING about the facts of this crime. Go hold up a pie pan in front of your face at 88 yards and tell me how impossible the shot was, dickhead.
Is there a way to detect the trajectory of the shots from adding a filter affect to the Zapruder film. This could be a possible savior for individuals deserving to be saved from death. The shots could be reversed and applied to the film. Individuals could be hologrammically saved. I like that term better than holigraphically.
What about the soldier who was on break and heard the shot coming over his shoulder on the grassy knowl and dived for the ground? This and many more people (over 60% of witnesses) said they heard or saw shots from behind the fence? To say it would be a bad shot coming down Heuston, that the windscreen would have been in the way or the people in the forwards seats is just plain wrong. It was a very easy shot and was not taken because they wanted him in a cross fire.
WRONG. Most, over half, said they came from the TSBD building. And the soldier DID NOT say he heard shots coming from two places, meaning there was only one shooter. The bullet holes go back to front. A grassy knoll shot would have to go side to side. You dont know anything about shooing if you think a steeply downhill approach shot is easy, so stop making wild claims. Heres a cite to what the witnesses REALLY said. www.jfk-assassination.net/shots.htm. Read it and admit youre wrong.
Question. If the hole in the back of his head measured 6mm how could the 6.5 mm bullet do that? A bullet makes a little larger hole going in the only rifle there that day with that diameter bullet was that ar15 just saying. And if you don’t think the secret service is closed lip you are mistaken.. they all party with the girls when they are on deployment and the Kennedy detail was out partying as well
Come on. The hole measured “APPROXIMATELY 6mm.” Thats what the doctor wrote. Nobody measured it. You dont get to erase the word “approximately”, because it means “not exactly”. So we are talking about a hole that is approximately 6 mm and a projectile that was a 6.5. Thats a HALF A MILLIMETER “discrepancy”, which, because the word approximately was used, doesn’t add up to a 5.56mm projectile, just saying. Stop cherry picking. Out partying is the same to you as actually shooting the protectee in the head? You’re broken.
It's surprisingly small. Someone who had marksman training in the Marines and was using a telescopic rifle could have done it easily. But hey, why suspect someone like that who was also a defector to the Soviet Union and whose whereabouts at the time of the shooting were unknown?
A couple of problems with your video. With the positioning of the Grassy Knoll shooter, you’re starting with a flawed assumption: that he stood right at the corner. No sniper would ever stand there because they’d be seen. The angle of the shot lines up if you stand about 10-15 ft back. And if you stand there as a shooter, you won’t be seen. You also left out the condition of Oswald’s rifle. For one thing, the scope wasn’t zeroed. For another thing, it had a sticky bolt. So it’s not that you can’t shoot someone from that window. It’s that it’s difficult to make a shot that precise in that time frame with a sticky bolt and a scope that isn't zeroed. And you also left out that a target moving away from a shooter and downhill - that section of Elm St is on an incline - throws off the trigonometry of shooting such that that, plus a scope that isn’t zeroed, makes not for a difficult shot, but a difficult shot with that precision.
There’s no gentle way to put this: I call your acumen as a firearms person into question not just because you left out these important facts, but because you’re from California. The laws where you live are simply too strict to produce a person who is knowledgeable about firearms. Your username suggests that you went to military college. That may have made you knowledgeable - may have. But military people that I discuss this event with are all alike: they are so emotionally invested in all things military that any suggestion that military or intelligence people were involved in this event is taken as a personal afront.
It is not my intention to be rude. But I call them as I see them. I’ve met a lot of people who are knowledgeable about firearms. And I’ve never met a single one who thinks Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone - in fact, they nearly always laugh at the idea. You are either deliberately turning a blind eye to obvious facts because you have arrived at a conclusion and are working backward to prove it, or you simply don't possess the knowledge that you claim to possess.
Bullshit on all counts. The angles most definitely DO NOT “line up”, he was not hit from the side. The rifle WAS zeroed, and oswald was seen working the bolt on his porch in the dark. The downhill and away throw NOTHING off at 88 yards, in fact, the very slight decline in the road erases what little bullet drop there is.
No delicate way? French my ass, boy, i can and will shoot rings around you. Any weapon, any distance. Ive been shooting all my life, and have had military, police, and civilian training. Ive competed in NRA midrange and PRS shooting of precision, scoped rifles. Fuck off, then, when im sure you have had time to read this, ill erase your ranting bullshit. Got it?
Thats the stupidest appeal to authority ive ever seen. You know people who shoot and claim they all laugh at oswald doing this alone. Youre aggressively stupid. A sniper is one man with a rifle, DUMBASS, a 54 and 88 yard shot isnt a team event. You mainlined Oliver Stones idiotic “ambush”, youre a moron, and youre soon to be deleted, fuckwit.
You are extremely rude, boorish and self righteous and clearly know nothing about firearms or the event at hand. For example, if you move back 10-15 ft, it’s a front not a side shot. Also, the Warren Commission acknowledged that the scope wasn’t what they called ‘calibrated’, meaning zeroed. Finally, I have no need for an appeal to anyone. I know plenty about firearms on my own. I was merely pointing out that no one I’ve ever met who is knowledgeable would agree with you because they know how firearms operate. I don’t make these arguments to convince you but to convince folks reading this who might be on the fence. Life Pro Tip: If you want people to consider your point of view and if you want people to subscribe to your channel, then act a little more rationally and professionally rather than acting boorish and crude. Good luck.
@@citadelgrad87 You are a complete fraud and you know it. That's why you call everyone names. I've reported all of your comments. Hopefully, you get shut down.
Help, please. Anybody? I am trying to find the videos by that big white American guy who died of lung cancer and was a Photoshop expert. He wrote an expensive book with a lot of photos and most of the reviews praised the photos in his book but did not go along with his theories of shooters seen in all the photos. Hoping to find his name, his book, his videos. Name might have been Larry or Harvey something.
@Michael Hoffman Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to answer. I found out earlier this year and got the book that I wanted.
you know he made fake photos, right?
told him he faked those photos years earlier, how fitting that he did work in photoshop, oh but that's just a coincidence some would say
@@TheHeavensFellen Yeah, I still thought the photos would be very worthwhile, even if he had put in little shooters here and there. The photos were not as impressive as I thought they would be. I imagined a coffee table book quality, but of course, they weren't that.
@@watermelonlalala he was a con-artist we debated his work once, oh yeah it was a an old homemade printed type book, no company would have printed it to sell on their own.
I read a research comment where he saw a video where engineers used lasers math exact position of jfk an limmo an they concluded a few shots dal tex blg an last shot triple under pass just down an to the right front of limmo. Very believable
Nope. Negative. The windshield blocked any shots from the front, and everyone was hit in the rear. A windshield, the driver, and Connelly all blocked a shot at jfk from the front. Why do you reject the easiest shot and the simplest explanation? The Dal Tex building is much farther away, but would send a round about where Oswald did. Why do that mental gymnastics?
JFK was shot around 12:30 pm. They were late, as they were supposed to be at the Trade Mart by 12:30 pm. Oswald was identified at 12:26 by eye witnesses at TSBD. Oswald should have been perched on the 6th floor waiting for his late arrival. How did Oswald know JFK would be late?
Well 87... 1 thing I'm very sure of if you look at last few seconds of zapruder film in slow motion or play stop play stop you can clearly see jfk pushed back quick hard blood matter an a piece of skull land on trunk of limmo that clearly was a shot from front right side of limmo. Limmo at that exact last shot was past the lone wolf BS Oswald 3 shots 6 floor book blg. That last shot would have also hit the driver in back or blood an a piece of skull would have hit driver....that's what I see.......
@@davidwilliams4498 Wrong. There was NOTHING on the trunk lid. There are many high quality stills form the Z film of Jackie getting onto the trunk lid, and the trunk is literally spotless, and her hands are flat on the lid. Did not happen. Stop posting false information. Final warning.
@@citadelgrad87 This is wrong. Brain matter and pieces of skull hit the trunk, and even the motorcycle policeman who was stationed back-left of the limo (Officer Hargis).
www.usnews.com/debate-club/was-jfks-assassination-a-conspiracy/multiple-shots-prove-jfk-assassination-was-a-conspiracy
That has been my contention. From this knoll or picket fence, to hit him in the temple, it would have to hit the temple and then turn 90 degrees to come out the back of his head. There may have been a shot from here but it missed and was what struck the grass. I think the head shot based on the angles came from the underpass. Saw a good forensics presentation that said by lining up the car in the street and the angle and direction of his head, and by taking vectors (angles) of the wound in the back of the head, then replicating the angle out the front, that the bullet IF it came from the front then it would have had to come from the underpass area and not the picket fence.
Robert Zebrowski there was no front to back shot that hit him. It didnt happen. The windshield the front seat driver and passenger, and governor Connelly were both in the way, and the windshield has no penetrations in it, only a crack from a fragment that was moving to the front.
You can never get past the plain film and x ray film that show, unequivocally, that he was hit once in the head by a bullet traveling feom his rear to his front.
Nobody was shooting from the overpass. Certainly nobody hit him from there.
@@joshie4330 wrong. This is a no bullshit zone.
@@joshie4330 its not “work”, its fever dream nonsense.
@@citadelgrad87 You're right, it should be a no CT bullshit zone.
remember he was turning his head toward jackie, and the better position is where the knoll fence meets the overpass bridge. On nice i see you wrote that when i read your full post
I did a tour of dealney plaza i believe that the fatal shot came from the grassy knoll because its only 100 yards from the x is on the street
Good video. Yes. Oswald was the only one firing at the President that fateful day. He was in the 6th floor corner window of depository. There were 2 guys that day watching the President motorcade in the 5th floor window of depository directly under Oswald. They knew someone was above them shooting at the President in the building. Nobody ever mentions that.
U point to the 7th story dumbbell.
Shiteater, i pointed to the sixth, and noted clearly that they have blocked off the sixth floor window, and you have to go to the seventh to look out the window above the one Oswald fired from. Nobody gives a shit what you think you did before they blocked access to the window. Now piss off.
Storey, professor..
What people forget this was done by professionals ie: suppressed sniper rifles the only rifle which did not have one was the rifle shot from the del tex, the so called LHO rifle was not even fired that day at all ? Also most people that believe in the WC report forget the amount of damage done by missed shots which one bullet struck the curb way over on main st and hit james tague and if you look from the window of the 7 th floor look how far away is that curb on main st for a bullet to miss the car by 50ft to hit a curb, not to mention the windshiled chrome sttrip, the curb on elm st, the drain cover on elm st, also i dont believe for one second that all the shots came from the rear, jfk was only shot from the front, which is why the drs when they looked at the back wound its larger then the neck wound which the drs at parkland said it was an entrance wound and there's evidence of a bullet entrance in the rear seat just behind jfk's back and if you look at a frontal shot done from the commerce st overpass area it lines up 100% straight through the windshield and through the left suit jacket of john connolly and into jfk's neck and exit out of jfk's back? Which is why you see john connolly move his left shoulder upwards so fast and then you have at least 2 other frontal head shots, one just above the right eye about 2 cm above and to the right and then you have the right temple shot.
John connally's wounds came from the del tex or the western end of the TSBD window from a Masseur and a scoped rifle at that, one of the best sniper rifle you could have at that time ?Which is what the cops found first and reported straight away and more importantly the Dallas police and the FBI both have photos of the hulls found, which are only 2 x 6.5mm hulls and the rifle they say they found later on, was changed to a 6.5 and the muser went missing and there's witness to the fact they seen a man with a scoped rifle on the western end of the TSBD and they simply through it was security protection / secret service people?
In Fact i believe it was the secret service who shot at jfk the same snipers used to protect jfk was used to kill him, which explains why the secret service people are the only people who controlled the event from start to finish and also the military Generals/Admirals / CIA as well ? So you only have to have a couple of people to pull it off, meaning people who are going to call the shots after the shooting, greer, kellerman, clint hill was not even supposed to be there that day for a start and also the driver greer as well?
Cheers :)
7071t6 bullshit. I deal with evidence, not fevered fantasy and speculation.
So basically what you saying is that the ARRB's work which is a look at the WC report, the church committee , rockefeller commission and the HS committee is ALL BS all that official documented records and suppressed records which were mostly released after the jfk movie is all BS ?c champ so you know these people right, WOW you took a walk around Dallas and Dearly plaza and came up with it was LHO based on what just looking around or did you read the WC volumes and the various other subunit investigations or did you think it through just by looking at the site, also almost every qualified sniper in The WC times and other investigations which were used has said there's no way that an OLD surplus WW2 rusty rifle was even able to shot at a moving target which is moving away from you by the way at speed like 15 miles per hour to 11 miles per hour and do the damage which was seen by all the closets witness in elm st that day including jfk's movement back and to the left not one witness that day seen jfk's head move back and to the left as seen in the so called z film not one, explain that to me and maybe i might believe 0.001 % that you have talked about in this upload champ ?
THE FBI had to put 3 metal shims which is in the WC volumes to make the rifle just to shoot straight and the chances that anyone used the iron sights with a bolt action rifle its impossible and more importantly why the shooter did not shoot while the jfk car GG-300 was on houston st driving towards you, which even if they speed up you still have a better chance to shot at jfk right and still a bolt action rifle ? Right or wrong ?
7071t6 wrong, “champ”. Ive studied the records for almost 30years, and used to work with the chief evidence counsel for the Warren Commission. Where did you get that all ive done is walked around dealey? You need a clue.
Well either you the same person who has put the upload up or a total fraud in any case if you have worked with counsel member for the WC, which there's plenty explain this to me, WHY the ex president admitted moving the rear head wound up 100mm or almost 4 inches upwards from the EOP area to right up almost the top of the back right side of jfk's head,explain that one and also who did you work for, because these are the people i know and talk to Dr Jim Fetzer, Doug Horne, David Lifton, Jim MARRS (RIP) Oliver Stone, Larry Rivera, Gary King, John Costella and a few more who are all on my linkedin page and Facebook as well which there's so many to mention its not funny, i guess i can only say this if you really studied the real evidence to date you would come to the same conclusion going back to the 1964 release of the WC that almost over 50 % of the people that got the report did not believe that it was LHO alone or that he did not do it at all and thats coming from people who have read the complete 26 volumes of the report and also the Report itself and the fact that a single mother named Sylvia Meagher indexed the complete 26 volumes is showing you that the government could not do and if a single mother could index the report for the future than its more proof to me that it was done intentional so that anyone who reads the bloody thing would get lost in all the BS tests and reports which have nothing to do with the shooting of the 35th president of the USA ok champ ?
7071t6 i dont have to explain shit to you, “champ”. Any mouth breathing imbecile bleating about suppressed rifles and claiming Oswald did not fire is aggressively stupid. Like most conspiratards, you cherry pick evidence to suit the conclusion you want to prove.
I work with real evidence every day, “champ”, and you dont know dick about what evidence is. It leads you to a conclusion, you dont fixate on minuscule crap that you think supports your fantasy.
Ram fraud up your overtaxed colon, kid.
You were standing in the wrong spot. James Files fired a single shot using a mercury tipped explosive round 15 ft to the right of the fence corner more towards the overpass where the fence runs parallel with Elm. It’s a shame you went through all that effort without any of the historical data that has been learned and documented since that day.
Bullshit. Its a shame you buy self serving fairy tales with no evidence. This is a no bullshit video.
When you want to know forensically if there have been two or more bullets fired from two or more trajectories, investigators will analyze blood splatter pattern evidence left behind on different surfaces at a crime scene. When Jackie's dress is open to public viewing in 2103, hopefully, there will still be some interest in finding the truth in this case. Until then, I guess we can continue to call each other morons over the internet.
No, when you want to know if two or more bullets were fired and their trajectories, x rays of the skull is a 100% reliable indicator, tabular fractures are utterly reliable and show a single projectile entered from the rear and exited over the right eyebrow area. Taken with the 97% of witnesses who heard gunfire from only one direction, not two or more, and 95% of them heard 3 or fewer shots, and the reality that nobody ever assigned two snipers to shoot the same target at the same time because its so stupid its not done, and there is no mystery here, only gullible Dunning Kruger examples. Oswald fired all 3 shots. Period.
@citadelgrad87 Well hell eyewitnesses and x-rays, case closed!
@@ryanfulton8421 first, YEAH, case closed. What do you have to counter it? Dexter fantasy “what the blood spatter MIGHT show”? Second, no, kid, thats not all the evidence, just enough to overcome the stupid blood spatter fantasy approach.
@citadelgrad87 if you're going to refer to forensic science as a fantasy and then build a case around eyewitness testimony that directly contradicts the narrative you would like to push then I don't think there's any hope for you. Go back to sleep.
I finally got around to touring Dealey Plaza and the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, Texas during May 2021. The event happened when I was six and living on the Air Force base in San Antonio--and I didn't find out that my president had been murdered for two days. I watched a replay of Ruby shooting Oswald on television--and learned why all the adults were so damned angry at me that weekend. Hint--it wasn't me.
The Kennedy Assassination has a lot of unknowns and unknowables. Speculation is assumption--and I was warned decades ago that when I assumed I made an ASS out of U and ME. Still, assumptions and logic are the majority of how the crime gets recreated. What assumptions? First, I''m going to assume that there was ample time to shoot three times with a bolt action rifle. Here's a factoid that suggests Lee Oswald fired FIVE shots in the allotted time frame:
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Doesn't prove anything. The Carcano has a six-shot clip that, like the eight-shot Garand clip, must be shoved into the rifle's magazine so that the mechanism will feed cartridges from the magazine. Locate a photo of the three empty cartridge cases on the floor of the sniper's nest--when I visited the Sixth Floor Museum, there was a gaping hole in the wall at floor level. I have picked up thousands of cartridge casings from rifle ranges during police call (picking up brass and other "residue" as it's termed--the spent casings, bandoliers, ammo cans, links, clips and all are accountable items on military ranges--and then contractors get to dig the lead out of the backstop from time to time). It's easy to lose some of them. As early as 2 PM on 22 November 1963 Dallas Police expected to find three spent casings because according to their best guess only three shots had been fired. Witnesses heard from zero to more than eight shots. Given the acoustics of the Plaza, one shot might sound like a machine gun burst or a dozen shots might be mistaken for something other than gunfire. Why would they be looking for more than three cartridge cases? They found a clip in the rifle and a live round in the chamber. How many people know that a Carcano clip holds six shots? It would take a lot of persuading to change a closed mind that ANYBODY can fire off five shots from any bolt action repeating rifle in under ten seconds. "They're gonna miss!" Reportedly, Oswald, did, at least twice (unless Connally was an intended target). I have personal experience--on a 300-yard rapid-fire rifle stage at Kaneohe Marine Corps Air Station on Oahu, Hawaii, I put two five-round magazines into my Dog target in under 15 seconds and was booted in the ribs by a corporal for wasting my ammunition through shooting too rapidly. All ten shots were covered by a five-inch spotting disk and I achieved my 50-point maximum score. In case you're unfamiliar, the Marine starts with rifle loaded and on-SAFE standing, and when the targets come up, the Marine drops into a sling-supported prone and begins firing, reloads after the first magazine is empty and continues firing. I dropped to prone, fired four hits, dropped my magazine and shoved in a second that had been in a belt pouch, fired rounds five through ten, cleared my rifle, and my sore ribs negatively affected my record fire the next day. Prejudice is painful!
Besides, proving to a jury that someone MIGHT fire three or more shots in a ten-second period doesn't prove that Oswald did. Because of the Fifth Amendment, Oswald couldn't be forced to demonstrate his rifle skills. As a member of the jury, would YOU believe that Oswald was shamming when he failed to get off more than two shots--both misses--in a ten second period? Yes, I know, the time frame is estimated to have been from four to eleven seconds.
"The truth turns out to be more complicated." historynewsnetwork.org/article/35445
It's always more complicated. Nobody was timing the event with a stopwatch! I've coached poor shooters who took longer than 5 seconds between shots with their M16-series rifles on SEMI and failed to get off all ten shots during their rapid-fire stages on the Marine Corps rifle qualification--and soldiers failed to fire rapidly enough on their Alt C marksmanship table with the same rifle. The Zapruder film is more of a Rorschach test (History News Network's words) than conclusive concrete evidence. Zapruder's 8mm camera had no batteries--it was key-wound clockwork powered by springs. Worse, the 50-foot film cassette was good for 3 to 4 minutes of filming at 18 frames per second. Zapruder paused filming because he lost sight of the Presidential Limousine (why waste limited film on unimportant events) and this messed up timing of the entire assassination, catching only the last two shots. Grain size (fast color film) limited resolution. Today's smart phones take better movies--longer video clips, higher resolution, WITH sound. It is easier to digitally enhance a digital movie than it is to digitally enhance film stock. Remember, each frame was 8mm, about a third of an inch. I forgot what the shutter time on the Bell and Howell and never did learn the film speed. What's the image resolution on your smart phone? The frame rate on digital cameras is faster, too--50 or 60 interlaced frames per second (25 to 30 images) for standard videos. What I'm claiming is that there is a limited amount of information that the 8mm camera can capture--time is one of them, within a limited set of parameters. I made a 7.5-minute movie using a Super-8 film camera and the finished project was edited from several cassettes--nothing like experience with vintage equipment!
Speaking of time, the time frame of the assassination was too short for split-second accuracy. At the time, the Atomic Clock was a big deal. I mentioned stop watches--nobody timed the events with an atomic clock. How much precision and accuracy was needed to time the assassination? The laptop I type this on has an onboard atomic clock, but the time standard is slaved to my internet service provider or else my digital signal wouldn't sync up and data wouldn't stream. My processor is 5.2GHz. If my onboard camera had been used to record the Kennedy assassination, I'd have had significantly more accurate time hacks--until grabby cops seized my equipment and accidentally broke it. It takes talent to smash a laptop. Perhaps I'd have been mistaken for someone wielding a Buck Rodgers death ray or something. People do weird things when they're scared and/or mad. Actual duration of gunfire is only one issue--and the difference between four and eleven seconds for between three and five shots is elastic enough to create controversy. It is possible that Oswald fired five shots in four seconds or even fired just two shots in eleven seconds--and it is possible that Oswald was on the second floor during the gunfire. Oswald was seen on the second floor from 5 minutes to 1 minute prior to the shots, and then seen on the second floor from 1 to 3 minutes after the gunfire. Oswald wore brown shirt and blue trousers, but the person seen in the window of the sixth floor up to a full minute after the shots was reported by witnesses to be wearing white or light clothing. I checked Brennan's story from his reported observation position, but I was in May around 4 PM instead of November at 12:30 PM and my experiment is invalid by my standards. The shadows from overhead sunlight versus the shadows from the sun in the south-east would be different--and today's Dealey Plaza has taller buildings surrounding the place. I saw that the sixth-floor windows were in shadow in May 2021. Modern florescent lights versus vintage incandescent lights used to light the interior changed the picture to an unknown degree, making my experiment invalid. There was no open window--modern air conditioning made that unnecessary. I saw daylight reflections and was unable to determine if anybody were looking through the closed windows. Again--May 2021 and not November 1963--my own experiment was invalid.
Silly question--but can I both impeach my witnesses while cherry picking their testimony? Evidence in court isn't a scientific certainty. Come to think of it, the Heisenberg Principle and the Observer Effect seem to prove "scientific certainty" is an oxymoron.
The perfect shot would have been in the middle of the turn. Even with a head-on shot, the windshield and the other occupants wouldn't have been in the way from the 6th floor. The shooter wouldn't have to expose himself to make the shot. He could sit on book boxes. He would have had to expose himself to take the shot he allegedly took.
Wrong. Shooting steeply downhill is very difficult. Shooters, like Oswald, know this. Also, as the car negotiates that turn, you need to keep moving the rifle just to stay on target as it crosses in front of you. Also the large tree is looming to block your shot if you dont hurry. No, the FAR easier shot, the one he DID take, by the way, was to rest the rifle on the boxes and aim at the car as the road gently curves away from the building, presenting a target that, from Oswalds perspective, doesn’t appear to be moving left or right, or up or down, but just slowly getting smaller. To a shooter, thats the only shot that makes sense.
The 6.5 cacarno was a pig of a rifle!! Many people said they heard what they thought were fire crackers..the 6.5 makes a very loud boom..where as a rifle with a sound moderator does sound more like a fire cracker. The way Kennedys head exploded looks like a shot from a light caliber high velocity bullet. The 6.5 wldng have made the same head wound.
So a bunch of housewives who never heard a gun before saying it sounded like a firecracker and its case closed for you? What a joke. The 6.5 was an excellent rifle, the Italian National rifle team used them even after the US gave the country Garands. Stop repeating old wives tales. Also, you dont know anything about ballistics. The 6.5 round performs exactly the way the headshot did: when fired into the cranial vault, the semi liquid brain causes the round to yaw and the bullet violently comes apart within the confines of the skull. The Warren Commission had tests done and the 6.5 reliably comes apart when fired into skulls.
I like that your allowed to at least get a view from the 7th floor as the museum has the 6th floor sniper perch sealed off . What I'd like to see is what the view of JFK's body was through the lense of a carcana scope .
Not really a “carcano scope,” but a poorly made, cheap knockoff apparently. During that time, a lot of Jap scopes were flooding the US, CN, and European markets during that time, mimicking the high quality design of the US Weaver. Unfortunately, everybody I know or spoke to that owns one claims that they are junk that prob haven’t been shootable in decades. These are guys w/ a replica carcano w/ one of those cheap scopes or one of the very ones fitted w/ it from Kleins Sporting Goods, where Oswald ordered his from. They look cool and make for great collectors items, but personally, I would send it out to get rebuilt before using or installing one.
I used to buy into those conspiracy theories on this, but for many, many years now i have been convinced that Oswald had acted alone. for one thing, why would he possibly have any reason to murder Officer Tippett, if he hadn't been terribly guilty of something?
These conspiracy theories have become a religious belief.
Oswald did not kill Tippit
@@mitchellreid4205Oswald DID kill Tippett in front of 12 eyewitnesses, during broad daylight.
Great video. It's nice that someone with sensible thinking posted this. I didn't always believe there was more than one shooter. To put this in perspective, I was only 3 when JFK was killed, so anything I read didn't start until I was about 12. And those first accounts were only about the 4 days so I had no reason to believe anybody but Oswald was involved. And then, like millions of others, saw the Zapruder film and saw that backward snap of his head. Well, yes, it DID look like someone shot from the front. But it wouldn't until the NOVA special from 1988 that I learned that, well, just because his head snapped backward, didn't mean he was shot from the front. Ugh. Then in 1991 I had the opportunity to visit Dealy Plaza. And like any other sensible person who has visited the place, was surprised at how small the area was. I saw for myself that anybody with any kind of rifle could have easily shot from that window down into that car. And the other surprise I got was just how close the fence really was to the street - meaning that it was a little hard for me to believe that a rifleman could have been there and nobody noticed. Yes, I realize there is a possibility, but as I write this, nobody has been able to irrefutably prove there was a second gunman. But isn't it amazing that this is the most photographed murder ever (22 cameras were there at the time of the attack) and despite all those photos we STILL can't come to an unarguable conclusion.
I've hit a 1/2" target @ 88yrds w/ a pellet gun and a 6X scope ..so a slow moving 12" target w/ a rifle is definitely doable.. I'd go as far as saying it's an easy shot for anyone familiar w/ fire arms
@@philipgraziano5577 shut up, you dickless little fool.
From six floors up, the windshield would not have been a problem.
Except it was. I watched cars approach. It was in the way until a very steep angle was reached. Why are you do adamant that oswapd didn do it the way Oswald did it?
@@citadelgrad87 I’m just asking questions and bouncing ideas. I am not adamant, I just believe there are a host of things unanswered by the WCR. As far as Oswald goes, I do believe he was involved, but on what level? I don’t know.
@@jeffreypaulross9767 of course he was involved. He fled the scene and murdered officer Tippet in front of 12 witnesses during broad daylight. He did many things that only the shooter would have done. I dont buy the “I’m just asking questions” schtick, sorry.
@@citadelgrad87 “Fled the scene?” Was seen in the doorway of the book depository by a reporter who asked him where the nearest pay phone was. That’s what Oswald told the cops, and the reporter corroborated his story. Then he’s seen in the lunchroom with a Coke! Sounds more like chillin than fleeing to me ???
@@jeffreypaulross9767 old wives tale. He was in the anteroom to the lunchroom, there never was a coke, 90 seconds after he shot the rifle. Earl Warren, who was, iirc, 72 at the time, stood in the window pretending to hold a rifle, then walked, not jogged, to where the rifle was found, paused to hide it, then walked to the stairwell and walked down to that same doorway in well under 90 seconds, and he was no pt sweaty or out of breath. Oswald was 24 and in good shape. And then, yes, he fled, walking 9 blocks to catch a bus where he was seen by his former landlady. He fled. And he murdered a cop in front of 12 people. In broad daylight.
My question is after JFK was shot in the neck why didn't the SS agent (driver) accelerate the car away. JFK would have survived the neck shot only if that driver did his job and sped away as he was trained to do. The SS agent in the passenger front seat turned around and looked at JFK and saw him clutching his throat.
Despite if Oswa;ld acted alone or was the shooter, despite any conspiracy theory, the SS failed miserably at their one and only job and after that fact didn't even lose their jobs, that's disgraceful. I hold them fully responsible regardless of who the sniper(s) were. Not many people cover this issue but that was the first thing I thought of when I first watched the Zapruder film.
You hear shots and even see the man you are suppose to safeguard with your life in distress and you don't floor that gas pedal to get the hell out of there, any normal person would do that, it's just a common sense reaction. Why wasn't the SS agents punished.
I knew Oswald was guilty as hell when I learned he discarded his jacket.. Because why else would he do that?..
In fact, he repeatedly engaged in criminal intent behavior on the streets of Oak Cliff.. The actions of a guilty man..
im a qualified marksman. ive been here. the shot from the tower was not that difficult.
I heard that they have video with the audio on it that hasn't been released
“They” don’t.
The House Assassinations Committee determined in 1978 that there were more than one shooter.
Not exactly. First, the body you just cited, so you dont get to pick and choose, AGREED with the Warren Commission that Oswald fired three shots, scoring two hits, and that the “magic bullet” accounted for all of Connelys wounds and JFKs upper back in and out the neck shot. They also specifically found that only Oswald and no one else fired a shot that hit anyone in that limo. THATS what the select committee found. THEN, on the last day they took evidence, two liars claimed they could tell from a mono recording that not only were FOUR shots fired, but they claimed they could tell where the shots came from. No one has ever been able to duplicate these findings, because they are bullshit. Anyway, they accepted these liars and came to the only possible conclusion: since oswald fired 3 times, a fourth shot meant another shooter and its too stupid for reason to accept a coincidence, so there must have been a conspiracy. And they specifically said so. The ONLY reason or evidence of a fourth shot was the tape. 97% of the eyewitnesses said 3 or fewer shots. But since then, we have learned that the dictabelt tape they used was made a few minutes after the shooting, and in fact doesnt reflect ANY gunfire. A police officer saying “hold here” right after the “shots” confirms the limo had already left at the time the recording was made.
Care to comment further?
Debunked on faulty acoustic evidence.
And they theorized that 2nd shooter missed everything.. Which is convenient considering there’s zero evidence he/she existed..
A knoll shooter would not have cared lf Jackie got shot. The whole limo was collateral damage. If the incident went down like this; very strange
The shooter missed. Jackie was NOT shot. No one and nothing indicates a shot from the side, and a 90 degree deflection shot is so hard your advocacy tells me you dont understand firearms.
The warren Commission which you seem to get much of your information was controlled by the c.i.a and the f.b.i whose total goal was to find Oswald the lone assassin , I'm not saying he didn't play some part ,But he wasn't the lone assassin !!!
You said the only shooter was Oswald.
What about ED HOFFMAN who actually seen 2 shooters taking apart their rifles behind the picket fence by the electrical boxes near the triple underpass.
Ed would have no reason to lie.
Ed was a deaf mute but he had good eyes
He actually saw the killers ..
So there were more than one shooter
He was there
We were not.
You were not there either sir so who are we to say he did not see that..
Ed swears he saw the two killers just seconds after the assassination.
I still believe Oswald fired from the DEPOSITORY
but he was not the only shooter in Dealey Plaza that day Nov 22 1963
Ed’s family said he is insane and constantly trying to insert himself into news stories. He didnt see anything. And the medical and physical evidence proves no one hit him from the front. So other than reality....
Now to the right of the zapruder pedestal is cement steps where 3 people were standing on the Moorman photo, if a shot came from the knoll it would have sailed over their head, wouldn’t, you holler to high heaven to anyone who would listen that these shots were their, their was little from these 3 to verify and they were there.
Thats where shooter shot connely not JFK
Finally got to visit Dealey Plaza last month, and I agree with you. It's small; looks a lot bigger in videos because the cameras always seem to have wide angle lenses. I'm certainly not a shooter, but was raised with guns, like most country boys, and I could still make that shot (don't know about the timing, never tried it) - plus most of the suspected shooting spots just don't work once you've been there. Wish you had covered the culvert shot theory, too. The problem with arguing with CT's is that they mistake opinion with proof. They also keep re-directing the discussion. Disprove any theory - often not that hard to do - and they just say, " but what about X?" It's never ending. Anyhow, thanks for the video and the entertaining arguments.
the distance is no more than 50 meters.
I visited Dealey Plaza in the early 1980s and the first overall impression I got was how really small the place was.
He is Ted Cruz’ cousin.
Its interesting that after being thrashed by the facts challenging your ignorant position on whether Oswald did this, which is the subject of the video, youre devolved into trying to "bet" youre a better shot than me, and saying i dont get enough PT. What would you shooting better than me using "thermal" prove about whether Oswald could do this? Why not propose a bet where YOU risk money if i can duplicate Oswalds shots? Wouldnt that better further the argument? None of the vomit youve posted has anything to do with whether Oswald did it, but i suppose you know that already. Its all you could come up with.
You can have all the logical common sense evidence in the world but it will never be enough for the conspiracy theorist who will nitpick you to death. They have turned it into a religious belief and it is difficult for them to let go.
If one walks back along the fence about 8 ft on the other side of the large tree, the knoll shot could be taken to enter the left temple and exit on the left side of the target's head.
Many problems with that, not the least of which is the fact that nobody was hit in the temple. ALL wounds were front to back or back to front.
Agreed front to back and not specifically the target's temple. ua-cam.com/video/NfIDau5PP18/v-deo.html
Shot hit his right side temple an exploded out right lower side of his skull. Many research pros think very last shot came from triple underpass straight to the right side of limmo. After throat shot an next to last shot which hit him in back from most likely book blg that they just passed limmo was not far away at all from the triple underpass.
@@davidwilliams4498 nope. He was hit in the rear and the bullet came out over his right eye. Gtfo with false claims. You get your own opinion, not your own facts.
you need to do way more research!!!
I read more on this crime than you ever will. Take your vague, vapid non statement and go find someone with a mushy head to sell it to.
I have read more about this crime than you ever will. Take your vague, vapid non statement and go find someone with a mushy head to sell it to.
James Files says he was 8 ft from the end of the fence ,when he shot JFK & right of a tree. You maybe to far left to be the shooter.Seems there were a couple of old men standing on the concrete walkway ,going down to the street that would have gottin in Files way.
Steve Brock yeah, he’s full of shit. Kennedys skull wounds were front and back. A grassy knoll shot, in addition to being the hardest deflection shot there is, would have resulted in not only a side to side wound, which is absent, but also the pass through would have hit Jackie, which we know didn’t happen.
Files said he shot a 22 cal gun. I don't know enough about guns to know if that one would go through JFK head & hit Jackie. We may never know exactly what happen & that's a shame. He ( Files ) just got out of jail this past year. Interview him.
Steve Brock wrong. We know exactly what happened. Only conspiracy fools hide behind we don't know what happened. IT DOESN'T MATTER what caliber the liar claims. Kennedy had front and back head wounds. Not side wounds. That idiot claims he used a 221 fireball, at the time a wildcat cartridge. Yeah, assassins trying to get away with a kill always use unique rounds. That's like leaving a calling card. That yahoo never shot anyone.
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Excellent video. Would have been cool to see where "Badge man" was supposedly located in comparison to Zapruder and the other witnesses to dispel that silly conspiracy as well. Oh and let's not forget that Oswald was living in a boarding house room the size of a closet with $13 dollars in his pocket and a $12 mail order rifle as his weapon of choice. "Big time mafia hitman" indeed SMH
Saved your video to my Oswald did shoot JFK playlist. Your comments are hilarious in their brutal honesty that the CT community lacks.
And I thought that I was rough slapping those dolts around.
Thanks! Clear video thanks!
I note thar despite a direct question, you didn't say whether you have any military training, that nutless treatment speaks volumes. Run along, conspiratard. You lack critical thinking skills. Be gone, smug turd.
He called Raleigh, NC when he was in custody with the DPD. Why? Why does a loser in Dallas call an unlisted number of a counter Intel agent in Raleigh, NC? Ask yourself this - before you dismiss.
@@matthewreed4936 no, i just dismiss. Oswalds own brother knew him far better than you or even Marl Lane, who never met him. He was convinced he did it, alone, because he was such an a hole that he could not work with anyone else. Think about what that says about Oswald.
@@matthewreed4936 nope, deleted. No bullshit zone here.
@@citadelgrad87 I know what you're feeling, I do, sincerely. I don't know enough to say if Oswald wasn't a shooter, or innocent of the plot, he may well be one of other gunman that day. But ask yourself - why was Allen Dulles brought in to head the Warren Report? You realize that the CIA has no experience in law enforcement and how to solve crimes? Would you bring you bring in a pool cleaner to do your taxes?
Best books, Case Closed Gerald Posner and Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi. After years of reading these two convinced me of what really happened that day. Yes, Oswald could have easily made those shots from the sniper's perch were he was. Lets not forget about the witnesses that were almost directly under that perch. The heard all the shots, and the shell casings hitting the floor. That is proof my friend. I could have made those shots too. Oswald was an excellent shot and when he first joined the Marines he qualified as a Marksman. It was only later when he declared himself a Marxist that his shooting skills declined. He just didn't care and wanted out.
As for the mystery missing bullet, I believe the thought is he fired that a shot when the motorcade was right in front of him on Elm. That would have been his easiest and closest shot. If memory serves me correctly that bullet is thought to have been deflected by a tree branch and landed downrange. Remember one guy was hit by "something" that deflected off a curb and bits of concrete hit him on his face. Anyway, I've been there too and it is amazing to see. The whole thing has been "Case Closed" for me for years, but it still gets a visit from time to time.
Thanks for the video! Cheers.
@@robertjordinelli3041 LOL! I guess you bothered to read them?
@@robertjordinelli3041 So, I take it you don't think Oswald worked alone? Who do you think he partnered with? You think the head shot came from the front? Someone in one of the Limo's shot him? Which Book or Book's to you think got it right?
@@robertjordinelli3041 I see were your coming from and yes the limo shooting is silly. However I think Posner (sp?) Makes a good argument why Oswald would not have been a good candidate for the KGB or the CIA in my humble opinion. I still he makes the best the case for what actually happened. I doubt if we will ever know the complete truth about that day.
@@robertjordinelli3041 that's fine we will have to agree to disagree on this. Posner arrogant or not and agreeing with the Warren report just shows to me how through the Warren report was. Bugoluski and Posner accentually Reaches the same conclusion. I think the jist is whether or not there was more than one shooter and if so therefore a conspiracy. That I don't buy.
@@robertjordinelli3041 then you believe there was a conspiracy and a coverup?
They made a silencer in 1909