I have a midrange OLED (LG C1) and the biggest difference for me with Dolby Vision (streamed content) is more detail in low light scenes and less black crush.
You guys should really start testing in all formats to see if the TVs are consistent across HDR10/+/DV. I remember the U8G had a terrible EOTF for HDR, but upon detecting a DV signal it would start tracking the EOTF a lot more accurately. I always wanted to know how did that affect the Rec2020 color gamut and volume, contrast, and peak brightness.
This so far is the clearest explanation and comparison between HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision yet! Being that Dolby Vision is the preferred format among 4K Blu-ray enthusiasts such as UA-cam's best physical media experts such as Jeff Rauseo, MovieGuy365, and Midlevel Media, I watch the Dolby Vision encode whenever a disc includes one. One thing which is hard to get used to is my Sony X90CL holding back and rarely reaching its full peak brightness when set to Dolby Vision Dark, but time seems to be helping me adapt and adjust. While I have my favorite physical media experts, my favorite home theater experts include UA-camrs such as all the folks from Rtings Home Theater, Brian from Brian's Tech Therapy, Caleb Denison from Digital Trends, Quantum TV, Stop the FOMO, and Vincent from HDTVTest.
Your TV isn't "holding back." It's showing the content as it was authored. While many of us now have TVs capable of well over 1,000 nits (sometimes multiple thousands of nits), most films are still authored no higher than 600 nits or so. It's still relatively rare to see movies that push 1,000+ nit highlights. So your TV is doing exactly what it should be. It has the headroom to go brighter but you need to feed it brighter content if you want to actually see that extra headroom utilized
TCL 85C 805K user here - my set can reach up to 1500nits in HDT highlights - as the set supports all the formats I found DV gives the highest peak highlights and overall 100% brightness with highly saturated colors, hdr10+ gives the most natural looking IQ with duller highlights and more reserved coloirs, hdr10 is serviceable but noticeably less contrasty as the other two leaving an overall less impressive image quality. As Abby says in the video here overall bit rate will make the most noticeable difference to the quality. A 100gb hdr10 blu ray will look crisper than a 20gbDV amazon stream could.
Finally a channel made a video on this! While I wish you compared HDR+ and Dolby Vision on 4K Blu-ray too, this gave good insight on the formats. Hope to see a comparison with 4K Blu-rays in the future.
In a nutshell, that's pretty much it! The impact of the dynamic metadata found in HDR10+ and Dolby Vision is greater on low-end displays since budget models don't come close to matching the capabilities of a mastering monitor, and your TV needs to try to fit the parameters of the content you're watching within its capabilities. With higher-end TVs that have similar capabilities as a mastering monitor, the dynamic metadata doesn't make nearly as big of a difference.
Man, sometimes it just makes the picture too dark to see. The lights in the houses, buildings, etc, will look nice, but everything else will be too dark.
Yep, most content is graded below 1000 nits and most high end TVs since 2023 could push 1000 nits. So no need for DV, when TV can do it natively. I got Samsung s90c, LG C2 and C4 and Samsung HDR10 (non plus) looks better in most content (brighter, more vibrant and better gradient, worse upscaling so got AppleTV) than LG C series with Dolby Vision. Tandem OLED on LG C series cannot come soon enough.
Not trying to be disrespectful, but this video is honestly very bad. It fails to clearly explain what HDR10+ and Dolby Vision are, and what purpose they serve. No layman trying to understand the tech will be any wiser afterwards. The little bit of insight you're trying to give is surrounded by terminology that would have to be explained to begin with. It's also completely inaccurate in its conclusions. HDR10+ and Dolby Vision are simply a method for the content to be viewed with more accurate brightness levels on TVs that aren't capable enough to display the content as is. If the TV can do 300 nits, and the standard HDR version goes up to 1000 nits, the TV will compress those 1000 nits into the 300 the TV can do, making the entire content too dark, even during scenes that don't even reach the 300 nits the TV should be able to display. The dynamic metadata lets the content tell the TV when a scene is within that 300 nits capability of the TV, and so the TV will show the scene with the brightness it actually has, while also letting it know when it goes above that 300 nits so the TV can only compress the brightness when it needs to. It has nothing to do with color or anything besides tonemapping of brightness like the video implies.
I agree, and I was also looking for clear answer whether DV or HDR10+ content can be played atleast as base HDR10 (by ignoring the dynamic metadata), if the hardware doesn't support it. I have heard DV content will play purplish if the display doesn't support DV.
How about a similar video comparing HDR10, HDR10+, and DV on disc? You mention it is different and send us to the article, which is cool, but would also be nice to have a similar comparison video for on disc content for those of us that want to spend money on a "premium player" and experience. Please.
This is such a great and informative comparison but you guys missed one: RTX HDR. Let's just say this feature has saved me a lot of money. If you guys decide to try it make sure to use HGIG in order to let the graphics card do all the tone mapping. Also Color Control app to force it on a preset other than game optimizer is a must to avoid the more aggressive ABL of that preset .
On my projector, XGIMI Horizon Ultra, the results match nearly exactly what you see on the cheap TV. Dolby Vision looks notably better than the generic 'HDR' setting. It's pretty dramatic.
I have tvs and a projector with a hundred inch screen, I watch new movies on it, love it. Picture not quite as good as hdr on my tvs, but the big screen is great and reminds me of the movie theaters. I can not understand why someone would get a tv bigger than 77 inches when projectors can be more portable and screens much bigger. I would not want to try to move 85in, 98in or 115in tvs around. Projector images are great if you buy a decent one, same as tvs. If you buy a 98in budget brand cheap tv, you are better off with a good projector. In my humble opinion.
@@charlesmyers8150 When I bought that projector last year, it was to replace a much older projector I have in a theater room. I thought about going with a large TV since you will get better black levels and brightness, but I have the same issue as yourself - TVs just don't look like what you get when you go to theaters. After reading a bunch on it, I finally found why - it's direct lighting vs indirect lighting. On a huge 100" TV screen, being direct lit means it causes a lot more eye strain at that size - where as the reflective lighting of a theater screen isn't as harsh, and it gives you that authentic theater look as a bonus. A lot of it depends on your lightning though, my theater room is a dark room, with dark painted walls, black carpet, black ceiling - so it can get very dark and a TV would frankly be a bad match. But for the average person, just getting something for a living room, a TV is likely the better solution since it can get so much brighter (at least good TVs) to deal with all the ambient lighting. A good compromise however are those ultra short throw projectors that you put under a screen, meant for living rooms - those tend to be very bright since they're much closer, and screens can be directional to better bounce light and reject ambient lighting.
@@robertt9342 that's true, I only use my projector at night , but not every night. That's why I have tvs. But I still like the options. Movies on my projector are better because of the larger size. I rarely watch TV shows on it, but I like fantasy and science fiction shows like Foundation on it.
@@charlesmyers8150 I've been using projectors as my main home theater setup since late 2000s when I was in college. I enjoyed a giant 92 inch screen and alright picture quality for years but when I discovered HDR and eventually OLED, research showed that even expensive projectors (even in a light controlled room) can't compete with budget TV's on picture quality and so I eventually moved over to an 82inch QLED with FALD screen and then to an OLED.
Its also worth noting on Kaleidescape it shows the file sizes for Dolby Vision and HDR10. Just picking Mad Max Furiosa as an example, Dolby Vision is 5.3GB larger than the HDR10 version - thats a lot of data! I can't say what it would be for HDR10+ as there aren't many movies finished in this format.
Above 720p most people can’t even tell the major diff unless you do side by side detail compare. I’ve done so many blind tests with diff fps and games and movies and resolutions with family people aged 10-90 and my conclusion is while there is a significant difference between SD and HD starting 720p and a smaller diff between 720p and 1080p and even small with 1440p and almost negligible at 2160p (4k) at 16:9 aspect ratio if you watch on its own even at 720p 24fps movie or 30fps game it looks amazing to the eye.
What viewing distance and how large is the screen? I sit about 6-6.5 feet away from a 85" TV and noticed a difference from a 55 inch 1080P tv same distance. The other noticable thing is HDR but not many 1080p content has HDR. The other difference is what kind of bitrate is the content you sampled. Could be hard to tell what kind of difference if all are low bitrate content.
Given what your company does, I'm surprised that the quality of the lighting, color grading, etc. of your videos isn't better. I mean it's not like awful, but it really doesn't do any favors on a calibrated TV, to the point it's a bit annoying. Mostly the picture often seems a bit blown out.
One thing that I don't see mentioned is how subtitles are handled, especially in variable formats like DV. It can actually be quite annoying as they change from white to various shades of grey in an attempt to remain the same brightness.
Great video. Can you make one going over and comparing 8bit, 10bit & 12bit color? And correction: there are 10 games on the Xbox Series X/S that support Dolby vision. 😅
HDR10+ and Dolby Vision are both HDR formats but they share different processing and in order to get good results in HDR you need a high end tv unfortunately, don't expect to get good results with a 600 or 700 bucks tv and i really really mean this, DON'T THROW AWAY YOUR SWEAT!! To regret it in the end, instead wait to gather the amount you need for a high end tv and then go for it. Me going finally doing this for the first time in my life, it looks as it suppose to be looking and I don't regret anything at all. I bought the s90c and i don't miss anything from my previous budget Sony either.
This was the $64 question, nobody else talked about! Glad this popped up on my feed! I gotta give you two thumbs up that! Excellent description and visuals! This channel is one of only four that I keep up with!
Please answer this question: Can UA-cam play Dolby Vision? If yes, under which circumstances AND how do I see as a user whether the video is being played with Dolby Vision? so far all HDR videos I watched on youtube seem to be playing as HDR10 no matter what the video title says.
Great comparison of HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision! I liked how you showed their performance across different TV tiers, really highlighting how each format can enhance the viewing experience depending on the display. On the topic of broadcast HDR, Fox uses HLG HDR for its live sports broadcasts, but they only broadcast in HD and upconvert to 4K for the viewing experience. Meanwhile, NBC did use 4K cameras for select events during the Olympics, providing 4K HDR coverage through streaming on Peacock, with HDR10 used for 4K HDR content. Some content was also available on USA Network in native 4K HDR. For traditional over-the-air broadcast, NBC still upconverted to 4K from HD and used HLG HDR. Additionally, Sinclair has already been using Advanced HDR by Technicolor as part of the ATSC 3.0 rollout. This new broadcast standard is bringing even higher-quality HDR to over-the-air TV, which could greatly enhance live sports and other programming in the future. It would be great if you could dive deeper into how different networks are using HDR in live sports broadcasts and the challenges they face in adopting new technologies like native 4K HDR.
Great video!!! Can you also answer if it is true or not that disneyplus and netflix limits their streaming quality to 720p on pc even if you have the 4k plan and 4k monitor?
I think HDR haven't industry standard yet. Every manufacturer interpretate HDR differently and that's why we have so many HDR types. Modern TV's are great for calibrated SDR and you still getting a great looking picture.
Abby you are so awesome at presenting. You guys should test 8k OLEDs and Micro LED TVs, even though most people will never be able to afford them. Everyone still wants to see them and know how they perform beyond just how they are advertised. Even if you can't buy it for proper testing, looking at one and doing a video on it with basic first hand testing like other channels would be cool.
Something I've always been curious about is how accurate the manufacturer reported specs for their TV are, because that is what determines the bounds of the HDR10+ and DV metadata. And is it comprehensive enough in terms of brightness depending on window size, and colour volume etc?
I’m so glad that my Hisense 65U8N does Dolby Vision, HDR+ and HDR10. So I’m covered for just $899. For my eyes, the Dolby Vision is the best! Add it’s built in 50 watt sound system with Dolby Atmos and in my home viewing area it’s fantastic!
I think some more videos on calibrating HDR would be super helpful and more impactful than how they work. I've had a mixed experience with Dolby Vision on my LG C2, I mostly used Dolby Film maker mode as everyone said that's the best. I guess it looked accurate for the most part but I don't find that colors pop, it's probably the most unenjoyable picture mode on the TV, it's incredibly warm to the point that white text like logos and plot text appears reddish, but everyone says accurate picture should be warm so I just lived with it for two years until recently I finally started playing DV Blurays on a high end player and it was better but not anything special. Wanting to validate my purchase I switched from Filmmaker mode to a Dolby Cinema and tuned the TV to settings I liked, added just a touch more color depth and changed the color temperature from being +50 (max) warm to 0 (neutral) and it looks so much better. I'm now happy with Dolby Vision on my TV.
Theres other things to consider too, like on some panels, HDR10+ can look better than Dolby Vision on another panel. For example, I was cross shopping for a TV, and I was deciding between the LG C3 and Samsung S90C. The C3 has Dolby Vision support, and the S90C "only" has HDR10+ support. However, the panel on the S90C is brighter, more colourful, has a better response (as its QD OLED), so HDR10+ on the S90C actually looks better than Dolby Vision on the C3. So although Dolby Vision is "technically" a superior technology to HDR10+, the panel itself makes a big difference too.
I have a Samsung s90c qd oled and a Sony bravia 7 and they are both excellent in hdr. The contrast and colors in hdr10+ on the Samsung qdoled are more saturated and do pop more , but the Bravia 7 dolby vision is great too, very bright specular highlights and colors. The Sony xr cognitive processor makes the picture look fantastic.
People in this community can get weird about their allengiance to HDR and DV. In reality, something having that logo on it is no guarantee that it was applied well. The people mastering and authoring a disc still has to take the time to configure for the title to reach its full potential...yet sometimes shortcuts are taken
Good choice, I have a Sony bravia 7 and a Samsung s90c qdoled. I would not buy a Samsung miniled until they do better, I returned a 2024 Samsung qn90c for the Sony bravia 7, big difference, bravia 7 is much better. The 2025 qn90d needs to be professionally calibrated.
Netflix here in Brazil had dv. In 2022 they took it off to save money and we pay like any other place. At first a lot people complained, now everybody is ok with hdr10. Im not saying its right ehat netflix did, but most people cant say the difference and they were paying to somwthing that not adds to most people. Now what i cant understand in this netflix case, and im really asking, why thry didnt invest on hdr10+ once is free just like hdr10?
and in my country, Netflix has Dolby Vision. I guess it was cheaper to just go for the branding package and saw it off in places with crazy taxes like brazil
I tested the Hisense 65U7N with the exact same settings for all profiles sdr hdr dolby vision using different versions of the same movie-SDR, HDR, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision and the picture remained the same. If you change the settings, as expected, the picture changes.
Honestly, if I'm paying multiple thousands of dollars for a TV, it better support all of the formats. Yes, they have to pay a couple dollars for a DV chip, but on a TV that expensive, they can afford the "hit".
@@FURognar I assume this is a political decision, not a technical one. That LG and Sony do not support the Samsung format despite it should be free and that Samsung does not support Dolby Vision and even invented a new format which is pretty much the same except it is free.
If I may, are you worried about picture quality or how to set it up? I've been using it a lot over the last two years on my LG OLED and I'm pretty happy with it but you should know that not that many games have good HDR or they have elevated blacks. Control using a mod from one of the developers is a good example of well made HDR and right now Final Fantasy 16 is excellent, rich colors and very bright highlights.
Could you please clarify something for me? I recently purchased the Samsung S95C, but I understand that Samsung doesn't support Dolby Vision. If I watch a movie labeled as Dolby Vision on platforms like Apple TV+ or another streaming service, how will my TV display the movie in the correct format? it will start to show movie automatically in HDR 10 +?
It'll depend on the platform, but every streaming service uses HDR 10 as the base for their content with HDR 10+ and DV applied as wrappers, so to speak. The app will recognize whichever layer your TV supports and send it that signal. So even if it's only labeled "Dolby Vision" in an app, there is still an HDR 10 or HDR 10+ version of the stream as well. Good thing is you have an S95C so it will all look good no matter the format
mmmh As i am seeing this on a computer screen with no hdr and no dolby vision and I do see a difference between the 2 tv images. But I should see no differences, as the they should all be converted to SD. So my conclusion is that the differences are mainly due to the television settings and/or how the movies where mastered for SD/hdr10(+)/dolby vision (the personnal taste of the thechnician in charge). As you said, it depends on what you prefer, The SD or HDR or Dolby vision. Me, I often tweek the display settings (contrast/luminosity/brightness) of my TV per movies to fit my personnel taste.
Definitely depends on the TV’s implementation and even the streaming show’s implementation. When I watch Silo on Apple TV+ on my Sony Bravia 9 it’s such a dark show that I switch to HDR10 for added brightness over the Dolby Vision presentation.
This video literally shows and explain how DV and HDR10+ only matters on low end TVs and HDR10 equals them on high end TVs. Any differences were only due to TVs panel used. 👍🏻🫡
@@KryssN1 It is not about the picture quality difference. It is about having 2 competing dynamic HDR formats and streaming service/UHD Bluray will spend extra resource to accommodate both. It also causes confusion among customers when they choose the TV because many brands don't support both formats.
Same. I didn’t like how overly saturated colors show in DV compared to 10+. I wonder if that’s the TV tuning, the mastering, or the format itself. One thing is certain, OLED is required to properly see HDR. Cheap TV is so washed out with poor block levels and poor color volume.
@@KryssN1but not much content has both meta data support for both so you would only get an HDR10 support from a not DV supported TV. Meaning your missing on a massive amount of content regardless of it it makes a difference when perceiving content on two high end tvs. The other major draw is disc based content which is premium HDR/Dolby Vision which can have frame to frame differences.
I want to buy a 55 or 65 inch tv mainly for watching movies, i have a 4k bluray player and will be watching older dvds, bluray and 4k discs , sometimes during the day and at nights should i buy Samsung S90D , Sony bravia 8 or LG C4 or B4 ??
Just like apple tv and amazon prime video app supports DV and HDR10+ , why is this feature not made available by other apps like Netflix and Disney+hotstar?
HDR can be great when it's graded properly, but that's not always the case. Lately I've seen some series and movies where after comparing the SDR and HDR variants I've ended up preferring SDR. A recent example is Silo, I could barely see anything with brightness at 100, yet in SDR I saw objects and details I didn't even know were there that add to the atmosphere a lot. The advantage of SDR is that it's a lot more consistent and easier to watch in any environemnt (dim or very bright)... and this was with an LG G4.
You had to dig into the setting to adjust whyte levels, tone mapping, etc. - for EACH input and for EACH type of content - TV, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K BD, USB movies, EACH streaming service AND for EACH HDR format! After the proper adjustments get made, you should never have any issues. However, I would highly recommend buying a Hisense or TCL to get the FULL experience! I guarantee that you will NEVER go back - until LG, Samsung and Sony match or exceeds their quality and specs.
@@HardCold-Alquan I always try to watch HDR in film maker mode. If that is too dim I switch to cinema mode which raises the overall brightness with a more aggresive form of dynamic tonemapping, but for some type of content not even this fixes it. The last resort would be to search for the SDR variant or use an external dynamic tonemapping algorithm such as madvr or mpv, but you'd expect not to need that on a high end OLED tv in 2025.
@ The only film that was too dark no matter what, was Eternals. That was dark from Disney and was horrible to watch. Even though my TV - Hisense U8K, could brighten it up, it was at the expense of everything else.
It wasn't mentioned but the Apple TV+ streaming service has supported HDR10+ for a few months. I've also noticed that many titles I purchased digitally from Apple's movie store that once were listed as "HDR10" are now "HDR10+." It's possible those titles had HDR10+ on other platforms, e.g., Amazon but obviously Apple needed to update the firmware on their Apple TV devices to support HDR10+ before they could show such a designation in the user interface. But who knows, it's possible the movie studios only recently added HDR10+ metadata due to the fact that Samsung commands ~60% of the TV market and has steadfastly refused to license Dolby Vision. Incidentally, the licensing cost to have Dolby Vision on a TV is marginal -- it's estimated if Samsung added Dolby Vision to their TVs, it would probably only be $3-$4 per TV. In other words, it's totally a pride thing. On a tangent, Dolby Vision licensing for discs is higher than that of the royalties paid to Dolby Labs for streaming so you run into the situation where the 4K BluRay disc for a movie does *NOT* have Dolby Vision but the same movie via streaming is available w/Dolby Vision - this applies to many of Disney's titles. Cheap TVs that were talked about in this video aside where they saw differences not present on more premium TVs, I'm of the strong opinion that unless content is deliberately mastered with Dolby Vision in mind, it's not likely to make any difference assuming you're comparing apples to apples. I don't think it makes sense to compare a Dolby Vision stream of a movie with the same movie coming from an HDR10 4K BluRay. The bitstream coming off a disc is always noticeably higher. Depending on the streaming platform, it could be 3x as much data coming off a 4K BluRay disc. The best video I've seen that showcases that Dolby Vision *DOES* make a difference, assuming you're talking about 4K BluRay playback (HDR10 vs. Dolby Vision) is this video from Linus Tech Tips: ua-cam.com/video/na1hqx4Yi68/v-deo.htmlsi=BqWLMQSHk9BkplNA When you get to the Dolby Vision part of the video at around 7 minutes Linus did a simple test with his staff. They played content from a 4K BluRay disc in HDR10 on one TV and on another TV the same content off a second copy (4K BluRay disc) but in Dolby Vision. They juxtaposed the TVs and every single person picked the TV that had Dolby Vision as looking better. So unless you plan on buying a dedicated 4K BluRay player, which HDR format is used is probably NOT going to make much difference for you. When it comes to streaming, let's take this blog post from Netflix: "All of Netflix’s HDR video streaming is now dynamically optimized" netflixtechblog.com/all-of-netflixs-hdr-video-streaming-is-now-dynamically-optimized-e9e0cb15f2ba My inference from that article is Netflix uses HDR10 & Dolby Vision as general containers and they do not specifically target the strengths of Dolby Vision. That being said, it might be possible to notice a difference for a same show in one format versus the other, in particular, when things are done wrong. I recall reading a review of Netflix's "Marco Polo" series where the reviewer said that he surprisingly found the Dolby Vision stream inferior to the HDR10 stream. I myself recently noticed a difference in "The Umbrella Academy" where an indoor scene (banquet hall) was brighter in HDR10 than in Dolby Vision. The HDR10 stream/scene looked too bright. And this was on a very expensive TV I might add.
Yeah but the amount of premium content that has DV vs HDR10+ is still higher with DV support then 10+. Even worse for disk based content where DV primarily dominates the market for premium HDR support.
Can someone help what warmth should I put in for gaming on the lg g4 the game optimiser puts it to 0 but others have said warm 50 or 40 but don’t specify if that’s for g4, I just want to make sure I’m getting the best picture when gaming😭
I'm stuck between the 65 inch s90d and 65 inch c4 and was wondering if Dolby vision made a difference, especially going against a QD OLED panel. I figured regular HDR 10 on a QD OLED panel should look better than Dolby Vision on W OLED. This video really helped me great work.
The problem is support for HDR10+ vs DV. The shear number of DV streaming and disc based content support outweighs alot of this argument as HDR10+ is a much smaller supporting titles currently. But you can buy conversion boxes to get DV on a HDR10+ tv but that is a bit of a niche item and the handshake issues I hear are annoying.
@Tidbitkid yes but it gets even more tricky when it's 2 completely different panel types. If the Samsung QD OLED supported DV, it would make my decision a lot easier. If the LG W OLED got a lot brighter, that would make the decision easier too. I guess I have to decide whether having DV is worth sacrificing peak brightness and color volume, and I don't think it is. Not only that, but I think regular HDR 10 content (not HDR 10÷) on a QD OLED will be comparable if not better than DV content on a W OLED.
Amazing content-thank you! However, I’d love to see at least one comparison with SDR to determine whether the oversaturation in Dolby Vision is exaggerated or intentional. Losing detail in dark scenes is frustrating, but I guess that issue is mostly limited to budget TVs. If you’re opting for at least an upper-mid-range model, it shouldn’t be a problem. I always thought Dolby Vision was known for its producer intended colors, but now I understand it’s the case. I thought Samsung is the brand associated with elevated vibrancy(fake colors). Now that I know Dolby Vision uses different metadata-supposedly with a higher bitrate-I’ll stick with Dolby Vision and simply adjust the vibrancy a bit.
Does cost matter if a TV has high level specs? Just because a TV costs more does not make it better. A Bentley costs more than an S-Class or an A6 - does that mean that the Bentley is better, or is it priced to those who can and are willing to pay?
@@HardCold-AlquanYes...95% of the time, the more expensive tv will outperform the less expensive tv. But, honestly, it all depends on the viewer. I can see HUGE differences between high end tvs and lower end tvs. But I "eagle eye / pixel peep" everything and now what to look for. If you are the type that doesn't know what to look for while watching tv or movies, then a lower end tv would be completely fine. Sometimes, I wish I was ignorant when it comes to tv's and quality. It would be a lot less expensive for me. It all goes back to that saying, "Ignorance is bliss".
Wonder if someone could help. Do all 4k blu rays that have Dolby vision also have hdr10+? I’m taking an interest in 4k blu rays and currently have a Samsung and enjoy Q symphony with my Q600A. But considering my next tv and wondering whether to go for another Samsung or go LG for Dolby vision.
1:10 this is untrue. Streaming platforms will generally only badge shows with the format available for *your tv*, for example Netflix will show DV badges on my LGC2 but not on my Samsung tv.
I find Dolby Vision much better than standard HDR, I can never seem to find the right settings on my tv/4k player for standard HDR, but no problems with DV 🙌🏻
For me, running Dolby Vision through my Apple TV 4K on my Hisense U7N has been somewhat underwhelming. I personally find DV to be too dark. However I have yet to try a Blu-Ray, gonna get around to trying it out this weekend.
DV isn't dark or light, it is simply allowing the HDR to match what the director wants on a scene by scene basis instead of applying a value throughout the entire movie. If you've calebrated your TV and find it is too dark for what you like, then just change it and make it brighter. It is your TV and your content, you don't have to watch it like the director wanted.
10 + prmat is only Samsung support to HDR money they do something only They only do their format, no Dolby Vision, they're lier and we pay problem.😬🤐💳💸
I know you won't answer me, but I would like to know why you didn't do a review of last year's Samsung QNX1D mini LED TV. I searched your website and didn't see a review of it. I would like to know how much brightness it achieves in HDR and SDR?
Hey there! It appears that the QNX1D is a variant of the QN85D that is exclusive to Samsung’s online store. The only differences listed are in its design, and it comes with two feet instead of a central stand. We have reviewed the QN85D though, which you can find here: www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn85d-qn85dd-qled
I own an LG C1 and Dolby Vision on my TV doesn't have the pop that standard HDR does. I purposely use my Nvidia Shield to force standard HDR. The C1 peaking around 700 nits probably doesn't help either?
It depends on quality of the movie show, but generally speaking Dolby Vision looks best, but HDR10+ is a noticeable improvement over regular HDR 10. But if the content wasn't made very well it won't matter that much..Some of the dolby vison films I have streamed don't look good because they are 1080p upscales with dolby vision gradients
Dolby Vision is amazing on my tv. I don't play 4k discs on my Xbox anymore because it cant utilize the Dolby Vision meta data while reading a disc. But it CAN use Dolby Vision while streaming. Dolby Vision on a low bit rate stream (iTunes or Disney+) looks better to me than HDR10 off of a 4K disc. Its silly I have to make that choice, but at least there is a clear answer.
Could you guys do a video on hdr when it comes to gaming? There are many people who claim that DTM needs to be turned off for gaming if the tv doesn't have HGIG support, but these same people will tell Somy tv owners to turn DTM on to gradation preferred. I guess the question would be, are tvs still tone mapping for games even when DTM is off, and why is it that Sony is the only brand that everyone says needs to have DTM turned on for gaming? Thanks!
Most are on Amazon, but their streaming usually looks like streaming. i only saw one HDR10+, and I don't know if it was great or not, but I got joy just seeing that the TV detected it. Truth be told, as long as your TV has a tone mapping button on it - THAT is your HDR10+!
This video explains that with a high end TV, HDR10 (not plus) looks better than bad TV with DV. Since high end TVs can do more than 1000 nits brightness natively with no need for software tone mapping by DV. While most content are mastered to under 1000 nits. So HDR10 (non plus) vs DV on same (high end) TV looks the same, the difference was due to panel used.
When I watch Apple TV+ content through built in app on Samsung, it shows HDR10+ on most of the shows. The downside is that every now and again the pictures brightness drops suddenly and visibly 😩
*LG G2 (and other?) warning* DOLBY VISION is broken. You should disable "Precision Detail" if a video uses Dolby Vision and you see odd issues like FLICKERING or weird GHOST TRAILS around objects. It's also intermittent. I watched the "Red One" Santa Clause movie, saw a thick ghosting around objects and then later saw massive flickering (old frame data getting mixed in with new frame data). I turned off Precision Detail, went back to the start of the scene and the issue was gone... I turned it back ON and it was still gone. Same scene. Then I watched for about 30 minutes and the problem came back later in the movie. Same for other movies. DARK SCENES seem to look a lot better with Precision Detail enabled, but the problem is so random I just can't leave it on.
There is a little more to Dolby Vision vs HDR10 vs HDR10+ than what is said here. I have looked at a bunch of videos about this topic and it seems you can't easily compare them. As each TV can have issues and also change the EOTF from the standard. Once all formats are calibrated there is normally less of a difference. Dolby Vision is best on less bright TVs, so WOLEDs, the brighter the TV gets the less difference there is unless they master the Dolby Vision version for APL, shadow detail and colours differently. The example given here with the A7N, there shouldn't be that much difference between HDR10 and DV. It looks like the HDR10 mode is bugged with lifted blacks, so looked low contrast, this can happen to DV as well where the HDR10 version looks best. Just depends on the TV model and the firmware at the time. I even saw a more high end hisense and sony have lifted black and colour issues with DV and so HDR10 was recommended to use until this is fixed.......by disabling DV altogether by using an external streaming box/stick so you can disable DV on that input. It really is luck of the draw it seems. I can't believe you guys didn't mention this in the video......
All TVs should have a quick option of comparing SDR/HDR10/HDR10+/DV (essentially all modes they support). Obviously, it would have to tell the app to switch content but that way you can A/B it without doing the 3 screen thing that RTings is doing. Obviously, having 3 screens going will do it too but it's really overkill. Thank god stereo was better than mono in the 50s - can anyone imagine if stereo was half the time worse than mono like HDR or half the systems couldn't handle stereo well for 5-10 years? That sums up HDR in a nutshell.
The format the content is delivered in doesn't have any effect on the color. Its purely changes in tone mapping, and any difference you see visually is from the display calibration for each mode. Visually they should be identical if each mode is properly calibrated, aside from base HDR10 highlights and luminance depending on where the roll off point is set and how aggressive it is.
Not if the content is mastered differently. Yes, that's not inherent to Dolby Vision and it should be possible in principle to achieve similar results in base HDR10, but that's what often happens in practice.
The saturation ansd contrast differences between HDR10 and Dolby Vision are similar to the differences visually between 2.2 and 2.4 gamma...2.4 gamma reduces some luminance leaving the same saturation which appears deeper as a result.
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Good content as usual. But I have suggestion , do any of you ever think how your video looks ? White background, good looking woman but super white , its all white , the tshirt is white , everything. Cmon guys, if not anything change the tshirt please. My whole room litt up like a super nova the moment this video began.
I think: you should have shown actual HDR sample in a video about HDR. We don't have to take your words for anything, just record it in HDR and make sure it reflect what you seen with your eyes instead of this SDR for HDR impression. Especially for a channel of your caliber. I expect more for a video about TV HDR performance.
4:14 This particular showcase confuses the hell out of me. I own a LG G4 and I recently watched Arcane on it with Dolby Vision but the picture looked nothing like this. It looked dim and dark. HDR10 with LG's dynamic tonemapping looked much better! Why does my viewing of Arcane with Dolby Vision look so bad when it looks stunning in your own showcase? I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I am watching the Blu-Ray version but without a Blu-Ray player (streaming it to my TV with Plex or Jellyfin). Could that be the cause? If so, why?
I have a G3 and can maybe help answer this. First of all, it's worth knowing that Plex apps will have different support/capabilities depending on what platform you're using it on. Are you using the built-in Plex app? Are you using it through an Apple TV? Through a PS5? I don't have experience with jellyfin but I imagine it's similar. For the most part, Apple TV's Plex app is going to give you the widest range of DV support, BUT infuse on Apple TV will actually generally be even better at playing your Plex library properly than the Plex app itself. It's about $10 a year but well worth it. The other thing to check is whether your Blu-ray rip (mux? Unsure of the terminology) was done correctly. Dolby Vision uses a few different common "profiles" like profile 5, profile 8, etc, and if you haven't used the correct profile, it can lead to issues with playback where the file "falls back" in some cases to a regular HDR presentation. There's even more to this when it comes to dynamic metadata on Blu-rays - my understanding is they use a specific profile that does fall back in some situations, however that's beyond my limited knowledge and you should definitely consult Reddit or similar for more info.
@@sachind1231 I am aware of all of this. That is why I have both Plex and Jellyfin installed. LG TV's can only play videos in Dolby Vision if the file container is .mp4, .ts or .m2ts (not .mkv) and if the file is using Dolby Profile 5 or 8 (my Arcane file is a .mkv file with Dolby Vision profile 8.1). Jellyfin however has a new feature (that Plex lacks) which can remux Dolby Vision video files in real-time as you are playing them, converting them to a file format/Dolby Vision profile the TV actually supports. I know it is actually running Dolby Vision because the Dolby Vision icon appears in the top-right corner when I play the file (Dolby Vision in Jellyfin, but on Plex it falls back to HDR, that is how I am able to compare the picture quality). To rule out the possibility of there being something wrong with Jellyfin, I have even tried to remux the file to a .mp4 myself and played it in Plex instead (now Plex actually played the file in Dolby Vision) and the results are the same. I tried taking some pictures on my phone to show you ( imgur.com/a/dv-vs-hdr-JMb46Wt ) but unfortunately my phone camera makes the difference seem smaller than it really is. In real-life the Dolby Vision video looks much dimmer and duller. You'll just have to take my word for it. Both examples in the pictures are using the EXACT same picture settings ("Standard" picture mode with max brightness and no post processing).
If you have a 4K Blu-ray player that supports Dolby Vision and your TV supports it the difference is going to be very noticeable. Dolby vision is the best of HDR. As for anybody thinking that you’re gonna get it from any streaming service, you’re not just stop go watch your things in standard. Streaming services still can’t even match a 1080 P Blu-ray so you might as well just forget any type of HDR content that 15 MB of compressed data ain’t gonna cut it.
I have a Samsung QN90B TV wich supports HDR10+, but when I try to watch an "HDR10+" tagged movie on Amazon Prime Video, it only displays it on normal HDR10... There are very few exceptions in which cases the HDR10+ works, and the interface of my TV guarantees it is using that mode (for example: Fallout), but 99.99% of any movie or series explicitly showing **it should use HDR10+** doesn't work at all, no matter what I do.
Cuz Amazon lies and mislabeled all their content.. It always shows HDR on Nearly everything yet HDR seems to only be guaranteed to actually work when it's their original content
I am a little sad this wasn't filmed in HDR
I was thinking the same
Kind of defeats the purpose of comparison shots... Rtings dropped the ball.
It used to be that it was a real chore to upload HDR content to youtube and have it actually play back in HDR. Perhaps that's changed.
Just dim your screen
@@tklotz1 not how HDR works. 🤯
I have a midrange OLED (LG C1) and the biggest difference for me with Dolby Vision (streamed content) is more detail in low light scenes and less black crush.
I've watched Silo on AppleTV+ on my C1 with Dolby Vision and was impressed of how many details were displayed in a very dark picture.
C1 is not midrange anymore
Dolby Vision and streaming services are crap it's Dolby Vision Profile 5 not like Profile 7.
You guys should really start testing in all formats to see if the TVs are consistent across HDR10/+/DV. I remember the U8G had a terrible EOTF for HDR, but upon detecting a DV signal it would start tracking the EOTF a lot more accurately.
I always wanted to know how did that affect the Rec2020 color gamut and volume, contrast, and peak brightness.
the higher formats often for the peace of mind .
This so far is the clearest explanation and comparison between HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision yet! Being that Dolby Vision is the preferred format among 4K Blu-ray enthusiasts such as UA-cam's best physical media experts such as Jeff Rauseo, MovieGuy365, and Midlevel Media, I watch the Dolby Vision encode whenever a disc includes one. One thing which is hard to get used to is my Sony X90CL holding back and rarely reaching its full peak brightness when set to Dolby Vision Dark, but time seems to be helping me adapt and adjust. While I have my favorite physical media experts, my favorite home theater experts include UA-camrs such as all the folks from Rtings Home Theater, Brian from Brian's Tech Therapy, Caleb Denison from Digital Trends, Quantum TV, Stop the FOMO, and Vincent from HDTVTest.
Vincent is the only expert on whole UA-cam in my opinion .. i love other guys you mentioned but vincent is on another level
@@pavelsalva2327facts Vincent goes in on another level
Your TV isn't "holding back." It's showing the content as it was authored. While many of us now have TVs capable of well over 1,000 nits (sometimes multiple thousands of nits), most films are still authored no higher than 600 nits or so. It's still relatively rare to see movies that push 1,000+ nit highlights. So your TV is doing exactly what it should be. It has the headroom to go brighter but you need to feed it brighter content if you want to actually see that extra headroom utilized
TCL 85C 805K user here - my set can reach up to 1500nits in HDT highlights - as the set supports all
the formats I found DV gives the highest peak highlights and overall 100% brightness with highly saturated colors, hdr10+ gives the most natural looking IQ with duller highlights and more reserved coloirs, hdr10 is serviceable but noticeably less contrasty as the other two leaving an overall less impressive image quality. As Abby says in the video here overall bit rate will make the most noticeable difference to the quality. A 100gb hdr10 blu ray will look crisper than a 20gbDV amazon stream could.
Finally a channel made a video on this! While I wish you compared HDR+ and Dolby Vision on 4K Blu-ray too, this gave good insight on the formats. Hope to see a comparison with 4K Blu-rays in the future.
So it doesn't really matter on higher end tv's but budget tv's get a bigger boost.
In a nutshell, that's pretty much it! The impact of the dynamic metadata found in HDR10+ and Dolby Vision is greater on low-end displays since budget models don't come close to matching the capabilities of a mastering monitor, and your TV needs to try to fit the parameters of the content you're watching within its capabilities. With higher-end TVs that have similar capabilities as a mastering monitor, the dynamic metadata doesn't make nearly as big of a difference.
Man, sometimes it just makes the picture too dark to see. The lights in the houses, buildings, etc, will look nice, but everything else will be too dark.
@@tangiblemammal5273yes, I get this too. And nothing has any pop or tack sharpness
@@RTINGSdotcom so if i watch dolby vision content using apple tv on a samsung S90D then too dolby vision won't work??
Yep, most content is graded below 1000 nits and most high end TVs since 2023 could push 1000 nits.
So no need for DV, when TV can do it natively.
I got Samsung s90c, LG C2 and C4 and Samsung HDR10 (non plus) looks better in most content (brighter, more vibrant and better gradient, worse upscaling so got AppleTV) than LG C series with Dolby Vision.
Tandem OLED on LG C series cannot come soon enough.
Not trying to be disrespectful, but this video is honestly very bad. It fails to clearly explain what HDR10+ and Dolby Vision are, and what purpose they serve. No layman trying to understand the tech will be any wiser afterwards. The little bit of insight you're trying to give is surrounded by terminology that would have to be explained to begin with. It's also completely inaccurate in its conclusions.
HDR10+ and Dolby Vision are simply a method for the content to be viewed with more accurate brightness levels on TVs that aren't capable enough to display the content as is. If the TV can do 300 nits, and the standard HDR version goes up to 1000 nits, the TV will compress those 1000 nits into the 300 the TV can do, making the entire content too dark, even during scenes that don't even reach the 300 nits the TV should be able to display. The dynamic metadata lets the content tell the TV when a scene is within that 300 nits capability of the TV, and so the TV will show the scene with the brightness it actually has, while also letting it know when it goes above that 300 nits so the TV can only compress the brightness when it needs to. It has nothing to do with color or anything besides tonemapping of brightness like the video implies.
I agree, and I was also looking for clear answer whether DV or HDR10+ content can be played atleast as base HDR10 (by ignoring the dynamic metadata), if the hardware doesn't support it. I have heard DV content will play purplish if the display doesn't support DV.
How about a similar video comparing HDR10, HDR10+, and DV on disc? You mention it is different and send us to the article, which is cool, but would also be nice to have a similar comparison video for on disc content for those of us that want to spend money on a "premium player" and experience.
Please.
This is such a great and informative comparison but you guys missed one: RTX HDR. Let's just say this feature has saved me a lot of money. If you guys decide to try it make sure to use HGIG in order to let the graphics card do all the tone mapping. Also Color Control app to force it on a preset other than game optimizer is a must to avoid the more aggressive ABL of that preset .
On my projector, XGIMI Horizon Ultra, the results match nearly exactly what you see on the cheap TV. Dolby Vision looks notably better than the generic 'HDR' setting. It's pretty dramatic.
I have tvs and a projector with a hundred inch screen, I watch new movies on it, love it. Picture not quite as good as hdr on my tvs, but the big screen is great and reminds me of the movie theaters.
I can not understand why someone would get a tv bigger than 77 inches when projectors can be more portable and screens much bigger. I would not want to try to move 85in, 98in or 115in tvs around. Projector images are great if you buy a decent one, same as tvs.
If you buy a 98in budget brand cheap tv, you are better off with a good projector.
In my humble opinion.
@@charlesmyers8150 When I bought that projector last year, it was to replace a much older projector I have in a theater room. I thought about going with a large TV since you will get better black levels and brightness, but I have the same issue as yourself - TVs just don't look like what you get when you go to theaters. After reading a bunch on it, I finally found why - it's direct lighting vs indirect lighting. On a huge 100" TV screen, being direct lit means it causes a lot more eye strain at that size - where as the reflective lighting of a theater screen isn't as harsh, and it gives you that authentic theater look as a bonus. A lot of it depends on your lightning though, my theater room is a dark room, with dark painted walls, black carpet, black ceiling - so it can get very dark and a TV would frankly be a bad match. But for the average person, just getting something for a living room, a TV is likely the better solution since it can get so much brighter (at least good TVs) to deal with all the ambient lighting. A good compromise however are those ultra short throw projectors that you put under a screen, meant for living rooms - those tend to be very bright since they're much closer, and screens can be directional to better bounce light and reject ambient lighting.
@@charlesmyers8150. I disagree with your last statement only because the increase contrast in non 100% light controlled rooms
@@robertt9342 that's true, I only use my projector at night , but not every night. That's why I have tvs. But I still like the options.
Movies on my projector are better because of the larger size. I rarely watch TV shows on it, but I like fantasy and science fiction shows like Foundation on it.
@@charlesmyers8150 I've been using projectors as my main home theater setup since late 2000s when I was in college. I enjoyed a giant 92 inch screen and alright picture quality for years but when I discovered HDR and eventually OLED, research showed that even expensive projectors (even in a light controlled room) can't compete with budget TV's on picture quality and so I eventually moved over to an 82inch QLED with FALD screen and then to an OLED.
Its also worth noting on Kaleidescape it shows the file sizes for Dolby Vision and HDR10. Just picking Mad Max Furiosa as an example, Dolby Vision is 5.3GB larger than the HDR10 version - thats a lot of data!
I can't say what it would be for HDR10+ as there aren't many movies finished in this format.
The Godzilla vs Kong Disc comes with both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision so that could be one to compare
Great video. I've been waiting on someone to do this for ages.
Above 720p most people can’t even tell the major diff unless you do side by side detail compare. I’ve done so many blind tests with diff fps and games and movies and resolutions with family people aged 10-90 and my conclusion is while there is a significant difference between SD and HD starting 720p and a smaller diff between 720p and 1080p and even small with 1440p and almost negligible at 2160p (4k) at 16:9 aspect ratio if you watch on its own even at 720p 24fps movie or 30fps game it looks amazing to the eye.
What viewing distance and how large is the screen?
I sit about 6-6.5 feet away from a 85" TV and noticed a difference from a 55 inch 1080P tv same distance.
The other noticable thing is HDR but not many 1080p content has HDR.
The other difference is what kind of bitrate is the content you sampled. Could be hard to tell what kind of difference if all are low bitrate content.
Given what your company does, I'm surprised that the quality of the lighting, color grading, etc. of your videos isn't better. I mean it's not like awful, but it really doesn't do any favors on a calibrated TV, to the point it's a bit annoying. Mostly the picture often seems a bit blown out.
So did you abandon your oled burn in test? Its been on a year since the last update
One thing that I don't see mentioned is how subtitles are handled, especially in variable formats like DV. It can actually be quite annoying as they change from white to various shades of grey in an attempt to remain the same brightness.
Great video. Can you make one going over and comparing 8bit, 10bit & 12bit color?
And correction: there are 10 games on the Xbox Series X/S that support Dolby vision. 😅
HDR10+ and Dolby Vision are both HDR formats but they share different processing and in order to get good results in HDR you need a high end tv unfortunately, don't expect to get good results with a 600 or 700 bucks tv and i really really mean this, DON'T THROW AWAY YOUR SWEAT!! To regret it in the end, instead wait to gather the amount you need for a high end tv and then go for it. Me going finally doing this for the first time in my life, it looks as it suppose to be looking and I don't regret anything at all. I bought the s90c and i don't miss anything from my previous budget Sony either.
Abby, your reviews and insights are fantastic. I enjoy watching your videos on UA-cam.
This was the $64 question, nobody else talked about! Glad this popped up on my feed! I gotta give you two thumbs up that! Excellent description and visuals! This channel is one of only four that I keep up with!
So glad you enjoyed the video! We appreciate the kind words and support!❤️
Please answer this question: Can UA-cam play Dolby Vision? If yes, under which circumstances AND how do I see as a user whether the video is being played with Dolby Vision?
so far all HDR videos I watched on youtube seem to be playing as HDR10 no matter what the video title says.
Which Dolby picture mode was used on the G4?
Great comparison of HDR10, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision! I liked how you showed their performance across different TV tiers, really highlighting how each format can enhance the viewing experience depending on the display.
On the topic of broadcast HDR, Fox uses HLG HDR for its live sports broadcasts, but they only broadcast in HD and upconvert to 4K for the viewing experience. Meanwhile, NBC did use 4K cameras for select events during the Olympics, providing 4K HDR coverage through streaming on Peacock, with HDR10 used for 4K HDR content. Some content was also available on USA Network in native 4K HDR. For traditional over-the-air broadcast, NBC still upconverted to 4K from HD and used HLG HDR.
Additionally, Sinclair has already been using Advanced HDR by Technicolor as part of the ATSC 3.0 rollout. This new broadcast standard is bringing even higher-quality HDR to over-the-air TV, which could greatly enhance live sports and other programming in the future.
It would be great if you could dive deeper into how different networks are using HDR in live sports broadcasts and the challenges they face in adopting new technologies like native 4K HDR.
Great video!!! Can you also answer if it is true or not that disneyplus and netflix limits their streaming quality to 720p on pc even if you have the 4k plan and 4k monitor?
I have an old hisense U6g and just by changing some color settings , picture quality is greatly improved in all HDR versions.
I think HDR haven't industry standard yet. Every manufacturer interpretate HDR differently and that's why we have so many HDR types. Modern TV's are great for calibrated SDR and you still getting a great looking picture.
Thanks Stevie. Very cool
Omg I was literally searching a video about this on this channel this morning
Great timing! Hope it was what you were looking for 😄
Abby you are so awesome at presenting. You guys should test 8k OLEDs and Micro LED TVs, even though most people will never be able to afford them. Everyone still wants to see them and know how they perform beyond just how they are advertised. Even if you can't buy it for proper testing, looking at one and doing a video on it with basic first hand testing like other channels would be cool.
Something I've always been curious about is how accurate the manufacturer reported specs for their TV are, because that is what determines the bounds of the HDR10+ and DV metadata. And is it comprehensive enough in terms of brightness depending on window size, and colour volume etc?
I’m so glad that my Hisense 65U8N does Dolby Vision, HDR+ and HDR10. So I’m covered for just $899. For my eyes, the Dolby Vision is the best! Add it’s built in 50 watt sound system with Dolby Atmos and in my home viewing area it’s fantastic!
I think some more videos on calibrating HDR would be super helpful and more impactful than how they work.
I've had a mixed experience with Dolby Vision on my LG C2, I mostly used Dolby Film maker mode as everyone said that's the best. I guess it looked accurate for the most part but I don't find that colors pop, it's probably the most unenjoyable picture mode on the TV, it's incredibly warm to the point that white text like logos and plot text appears reddish, but everyone says accurate picture should be warm so I just lived with it for two years until recently I finally started playing DV Blurays on a high end player and it was better but not anything special. Wanting to validate my purchase I switched from Filmmaker mode to a Dolby Cinema and tuned the TV to settings I liked, added just a touch more color depth and changed the color temperature from being +50 (max) warm to 0 (neutral) and it looks so much better. I'm now happy with Dolby Vision on my TV.
Which Dolby vision are you using on the LG , cinema or cinema home
Theres other things to consider too, like on some panels, HDR10+ can look better than Dolby Vision on another panel. For example, I was cross shopping for a TV, and I was deciding between the LG C3 and Samsung S90C. The C3 has Dolby Vision support, and the S90C "only" has HDR10+ support. However, the panel on the S90C is brighter, more colourful, has a better response (as its QD OLED), so HDR10+ on the S90C actually looks better than Dolby Vision on the C3.
So although Dolby Vision is "technically" a superior technology to HDR10+, the panel itself makes a big difference too.
I like Dolby Vision, especially using DVision 4K blurays and a LG pled TV!
That was well done! Thank You!
Fantastic update 👍
❤Abby is gifted ! 🎉
I have a Samsung s90c qd oled and a Sony bravia 7 and they are both excellent in hdr. The contrast and colors in hdr10+ on the Samsung qdoled are more saturated and do pop more , but the Bravia 7 dolby vision is great too, very bright specular highlights and colors. The Sony xr cognitive processor makes the picture look fantastic.
People in this community can get weird about their allengiance to HDR and DV. In reality, something having that logo on it is no guarantee that it was applied well. The people mastering and authoring a disc still has to take the time to configure for the title to reach its full potential...yet sometimes shortcuts are taken
@@Chrisratata True, FEL or MEL disc. Scene by scene or frame by frame. Then there is the encode.
Just what i was expecting, glad went with the bravia 7 over the qn90d given our preferences - thanks a ton for the fun information!
Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching! 😄
Good choice, I have a Sony bravia 7 and a Samsung s90c qdoled.
I would not buy a Samsung miniled until they do better, I returned a 2024 Samsung qn90c for the Sony bravia 7, big difference, bravia 7 is much better.
The 2025 qn90d needs to be professionally calibrated.
Netflix here in Brazil had dv. In 2022 they took it off to save money and we pay like any other place. At first a lot people complained, now everybody is ok with hdr10. Im not saying its right ehat netflix did, but most people cant say the difference and they were paying to somwthing that not adds to most people. Now what i cant understand in this netflix case, and im really asking, why thry didnt invest on hdr10+ once is free just like hdr10?
because the producers of each film have to actually produce the material for this format
and in my country, Netflix has Dolby Vision. I guess it was cheaper to just go for the branding package and saw it off in places with crazy taxes like brazil
I tested the Hisense 65U7N with the exact same settings for all profiles sdr hdr dolby vision using different versions of the same movie-SDR, HDR, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision and the picture remained the same. If you change the settings, as expected, the picture changes.
Honestly, if I'm paying multiple thousands of dollars for a TV, it better support all of the formats. Yes, they have to pay a couple dollars for a DV chip, but on a TV that expensive, they can afford the "hit".
This video just explained, that DV is a fiction, you got bamboozled, only needed by low end TVs.
Samsung was right
The one I bought has all 3. Surprisingly Sony doesnt. It has HDR10 and DV. No 10+. With as much as Sony TVs cost, this is a massive oversight.
@@FURognar I assume this is a political decision, not a technical one.
That LG and Sony do not support the Samsung format despite it should be free and that Samsung does not support Dolby Vision and even invented a new format which is pretty much the same except it is free.
Panasonic does all formats
any chance you guys could do an analysis of Windows 11 PC HDR? I am so lost.
If I may, are you worried about picture quality or how to set it up? I've been using it a lot over the last two years on my LG OLED and I'm pretty happy with it but you should know that not that many games have good HDR or they have elevated blacks. Control using a mod from one of the developers is a good example of well made HDR and right now Final Fantasy 16 is excellent, rich colors and very bright highlights.
Could you please clarify something for me? I recently purchased the Samsung S95C, but I understand that Samsung doesn't support Dolby Vision. If I watch a movie labeled as Dolby Vision on platforms like Apple TV+ or another streaming service, how will my TV display the movie in the correct format? it will start to show movie automatically in HDR 10 +?
No, hdr10.
It'll depend on the platform, but every streaming service uses HDR 10 as the base for their content with HDR 10+ and DV applied as wrappers, so to speak. The app will recognize whichever layer your TV supports and send it that signal. So even if it's only labeled "Dolby Vision" in an app, there is still an HDR 10 or HDR 10+ version of the stream as well. Good thing is you have an S95C so it will all look good no matter the format
On my Panasonic midrange Full Array led tv W93A hdr10+ adds a lot of quality, but Dolby Vision IQ is the best, night and daytime.
mmmh As i am seeing this on a computer screen with no hdr and no dolby vision and I do see a difference between the 2 tv images. But I should see no differences, as the they should all be converted to SD. So my conclusion is that the differences are mainly due to the television settings and/or how the movies where mastered for SD/hdr10(+)/dolby vision (the personnal taste of the thechnician in charge). As you said, it depends on what you prefer, The SD or HDR or Dolby vision. Me, I often tweek the display settings (contrast/luminosity/brightness) of my TV per movies to fit my personnel taste.
Definitely depends on the TV’s implementation and even the streaming show’s implementation. When I watch Silo on Apple TV+ on my Sony Bravia 9 it’s such a dark show that I switch to HDR10 for added brightness over the Dolby Vision presentation.
Why preclude Physical Media Examples seems questionable for such a long video.
Love dolby vision content, it looks better than normal 4k content
Tv is set to dolby vision filmmaker mode or cinema(during the day)
I just wish Samsung get on board of Dolby Vision instead of starting a HDR format war. I like S90D but the lack of DV stopped me from buying it.
This video literally shows and explain how DV and HDR10+ only matters on low end TVs and HDR10 equals them on high end TVs.
Any differences were only due to TVs panel used. 👍🏻🫡
@@KryssN1 It is not about the picture quality difference. It is about having 2 competing dynamic HDR formats and streaming service/UHD Bluray will spend extra resource to accommodate both. It also causes confusion among customers when they choose the TV because many brands don't support both formats.
@@KryssN1 bs I have a high end tv and Dolby Vision is miles ahead of HDR10
Same. I didn’t like how overly saturated colors show in DV compared to 10+. I wonder if that’s the TV tuning, the mastering, or the format itself. One thing is certain, OLED is required to properly see HDR. Cheap TV is so washed out with poor block levels and poor color volume.
@@KryssN1but not much content has both meta data support for both so you would only get an HDR10 support from a not DV supported TV. Meaning your missing on a massive amount of content regardless of it it makes a difference when perceiving content on two high end tvs. The other major draw is disc based content which is premium HDR/Dolby Vision which can have frame to frame differences.
I want to buy a 55 or 65 inch tv mainly for watching movies, i have a 4k bluray player and will be watching older dvds, bluray and 4k discs , sometimes during the day and at nights should i buy Samsung S90D , Sony bravia 8 or LG C4 or B4 ??
Just like apple tv and amazon prime video app supports DV and HDR10+ , why is this feature not made available by other apps like Netflix and Disney+hotstar?
From my research, it all has to do with licensing. Which companies are willing to pay for the licensing and which companies are not.
What matters is which format is actually used.
It's fairly important for film enthusiasts and collectors, not as important for gamers/average pc users
HDR can be great when it's graded properly, but that's not always the case. Lately I've seen some series and movies where after comparing the SDR and HDR variants I've ended up preferring SDR. A recent example is Silo, I could barely see anything with brightness at 100, yet in SDR I saw objects and details I didn't even know were there that add to the atmosphere a lot. The advantage of SDR is that it's a lot more consistent and easier to watch in any environemnt (dim or very bright)... and this was with an LG G4.
Now you're talking. same happens to me and I was thinking my TV was defective. Thanks for the tip.
You had to dig into the setting to adjust whyte levels, tone mapping, etc. - for EACH input and for EACH type of content - TV, DVD, Blu-Ray, 4K BD, USB movies, EACH streaming service AND for EACH HDR format! After the proper adjustments get made, you should never have any issues. However, I would highly recommend buying a Hisense or TCL to get the FULL experience! I guarantee that you will NEVER go back - until LG, Samsung and Sony match or exceeds their quality and specs.
@@HardCold-Alquan I always try to watch HDR in film maker mode. If that is too dim I switch to cinema mode which raises the overall brightness with a more aggresive form of dynamic tonemapping, but for some type of content not even this fixes it. The last resort would be to search for the SDR variant or use an external dynamic tonemapping algorithm such as madvr or mpv, but you'd expect not to need that on a high end OLED tv in 2025.
Silo is simply unwatchable in HDR.
@ The only film that was too dark no matter what, was Eternals. That was dark from Disney and was horrible to watch. Even though my TV - Hisense U8K, could brighten it up, it was at the expense of everything else.
It wasn't mentioned but the Apple TV+ streaming service has supported HDR10+ for a few months. I've also noticed that many titles I purchased digitally from Apple's movie store that once were listed as "HDR10" are now "HDR10+." It's possible those titles had HDR10+ on other platforms, e.g., Amazon but obviously Apple needed to update the firmware on their Apple TV devices to support HDR10+ before they could show such a designation in the user interface. But who knows, it's possible the movie studios only recently added HDR10+ metadata due to the fact that Samsung commands ~60% of the TV market and has steadfastly refused to license Dolby Vision. Incidentally, the licensing cost to have Dolby Vision on a TV is marginal -- it's estimated if Samsung added Dolby Vision to their TVs, it would probably only be $3-$4 per TV. In other words, it's totally a pride thing.
On a tangent, Dolby Vision licensing for discs is higher than that of the royalties paid to Dolby Labs for streaming so you run into the situation where the 4K BluRay disc for a movie does *NOT* have Dolby Vision but the same movie via streaming is available w/Dolby Vision - this applies to many of Disney's titles.
Cheap TVs that were talked about in this video aside where they saw differences not present on more premium TVs, I'm of the strong opinion that unless content is deliberately mastered with Dolby Vision in mind, it's not likely to make any difference assuming you're comparing apples to apples. I don't think it makes sense to compare a Dolby Vision stream of a movie with the same movie coming from an HDR10 4K BluRay. The bitstream coming off a disc is always noticeably higher. Depending on the streaming platform, it could be 3x as much data coming off a 4K BluRay disc.
The best video I've seen that showcases that Dolby Vision *DOES* make a difference, assuming you're talking about 4K BluRay playback (HDR10 vs. Dolby Vision) is this video from Linus Tech Tips:
ua-cam.com/video/na1hqx4Yi68/v-deo.htmlsi=BqWLMQSHk9BkplNA
When you get to the Dolby Vision part of the video at around 7 minutes Linus did a simple test with his staff. They played content from a 4K BluRay disc in HDR10 on one TV and on another TV the same content off a second copy (4K BluRay disc) but in Dolby Vision. They juxtaposed the TVs and every single person picked the TV that had Dolby Vision as looking better.
So unless you plan on buying a dedicated 4K BluRay player, which HDR format is used is probably NOT going to make much difference for you.
When it comes to streaming, let's take this blog post from Netflix:
"All of Netflix’s HDR video streaming is now dynamically optimized"
netflixtechblog.com/all-of-netflixs-hdr-video-streaming-is-now-dynamically-optimized-e9e0cb15f2ba
My inference from that article is Netflix uses HDR10 & Dolby Vision as general containers and they do not specifically target the strengths of Dolby Vision. That being said, it might be possible to notice a difference for a same show in one format versus the other, in particular, when things are done wrong. I recall reading a review of Netflix's "Marco Polo" series where the reviewer said that he surprisingly found the Dolby Vision stream inferior to the HDR10 stream. I myself recently noticed a difference in "The Umbrella Academy" where an indoor scene (banquet hall) was brighter in HDR10 than in Dolby Vision. The HDR10 stream/scene looked too bright. And this was on a very expensive TV I might add.
Yeah but the amount of premium content that has DV vs HDR10+ is still higher with DV support then 10+. Even worse for disk based content where DV primarily dominates the market for premium HDR support.
Can someone help what warmth should I put in for gaming on the lg g4 the game optimiser puts it to 0 but others have said warm 50 or 40 but don’t specify if that’s for g4, I just want to make sure I’m getting the best picture when gaming😭
I'm stuck between the 65 inch s90d and 65 inch c4 and was wondering if Dolby vision made a difference, especially going against a QD OLED panel. I figured regular HDR 10 on a QD OLED panel should look better than Dolby Vision on W OLED. This video really helped me great work.
The problem is support for HDR10+ vs DV. The shear number of DV streaming and disc based content support outweighs alot of this argument as HDR10+ is a much smaller supporting titles currently. But you can buy conversion boxes to get DV on a HDR10+ tv but that is a bit of a niche item and the handshake issues I hear are annoying.
Vincent at HDTV test had a UK shootout for last year's model and can determine perhaps what TV fits your criteria.
@Tidbitkid yes but it gets even more tricky when it's 2 completely different panel types. If the Samsung QD OLED supported DV, it would make my decision a lot easier. If the LG W OLED got a lot brighter, that would make the decision easier too. I guess I have to decide whether having DV is worth sacrificing peak brightness and color volume, and I don't think it is. Not only that, but I think regular HDR 10 content (not HDR 10÷) on a QD OLED will be comparable if not better than DV content on a W OLED.
Amazing content-thank you! However, I’d love to see at least one comparison with SDR to determine whether the oversaturation in Dolby Vision is exaggerated or intentional.
Losing detail in dark scenes is frustrating, but I guess that issue is mostly limited to budget TVs. If you’re opting for at least an upper-mid-range model, it shouldn’t be a problem. I always thought Dolby Vision was known for its producer intended colors, but now I understand it’s the case. I thought Samsung is the brand associated with elevated vibrancy(fake colors).
Now that I know Dolby Vision uses different metadata-supposedly with a higher bitrate-I’ll stick with Dolby Vision and simply adjust the vibrancy a bit.
Does cost matter if a TV has high level specs? Just because a TV costs more does not make it better. A Bentley costs more than an S-Class or an A6 - does that mean that the Bentley is better, or is it priced to those who can and are willing to pay?
@@HardCold-AlquanYes...95% of the time, the more expensive tv will outperform the less expensive tv. But, honestly, it all depends on the viewer.
I can see HUGE differences between high end tvs and lower end tvs. But I "eagle eye / pixel peep" everything and now what to look for.
If you are the type that doesn't know what to look for while watching tv or movies, then a lower end tv would be completely fine.
Sometimes, I wish I was ignorant when it comes to tv's and quality. It would be a lot less expensive for me.
It all goes back to that saying, "Ignorance is bliss".
Wonder if someone could help. Do all 4k blu rays that have Dolby vision also have hdr10+? I’m taking an interest in 4k blu rays and currently have a Samsung and enjoy Q symphony with my Q600A. But considering my next tv and wondering whether to go for another Samsung or go LG for Dolby vision.
1:10 this is untrue. Streaming platforms will generally only badge shows with the format available for *your tv*, for example Netflix will show DV badges on my LGC2 but not on my Samsung tv.
I find Dolby Vision much better than standard HDR, I can never seem to find the right settings on my tv/4k player for standard HDR, but no problems with DV 🙌🏻
Underrated channel !
For me, running Dolby Vision through my Apple TV 4K on my Hisense U7N has been somewhat underwhelming. I personally find DV to be too dark.
However I have yet to try a Blu-Ray, gonna get around to trying it out this weekend.
It doesn't have an option for DD 'Dark' or 'Bright'? (the TV)
DV isn't dark or light, it is simply allowing the HDR to match what the director wants on a scene by scene basis instead of applying a value throughout the entire movie. If you've calebrated your TV and find it is too dark for what you like, then just change it and make it brighter. It is your TV and your content, you don't have to watch it like the director wanted.
@@curtisbme I guess what I meant was my TV (Sony) has the option for DD dark or bright. I personally prefer bright, since it's an OLED.
That was a pretty good video, very informative.
Glad you found it helpful! 😄
I like that my LG G3 supports both Dolby vision and HDR 10. It doesn't do HDR 10+ but I'm not missing it. Really anything on an OLED looks great.
10 + prmat is only Samsung support to HDR money they do something only They only do their format, no Dolby Vision, they're lier and we pay problem.😬🤐💳💸
I know you won't answer me, but I would like to know why you didn't do a review of last year's Samsung QNX1D mini LED TV. I searched your website and didn't see a review of it. I would like to know how much brightness it achieves in HDR and SDR?
Hey there! It appears that the QNX1D is a variant of the QN85D that is exclusive to Samsung’s online store. The only differences listed are in its design, and it comes with two feet instead of a central stand. We have reviewed the QN85D though, which you can find here: www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/qn85d-qn85dd-qled
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HDR10+ is better for the industry, no license cost. ive seen many objective tests that also show HDR10+ is ineed "Better" than DV. more accurate etc.
So is HDR10+ more of what was actually shot and Dolby Vision is enchanted to someones preference? Simlialr to what THX is/was?
I will never buy a tv without dolby vision and atmos 😎👌
Hdr 10 dolby vison are all trash
Go back to 1080P with sdr like my 1080p tv I bought
I own an LG C1 and Dolby Vision on my TV doesn't have the pop that standard HDR does. I purposely use my Nvidia Shield to force standard HDR. The C1 peaking around 700 nits probably doesn't help either?
Rings of Power is trash no matter how you watch it.
Dolby Vision is king.
It depends on quality of the movie show, but generally speaking Dolby Vision looks best, but HDR10+ is a noticeable improvement over regular HDR 10. But if the content wasn't made very well it won't matter that much..Some of the dolby vison films I have streamed don't look good because they are 1080p upscales with dolby vision gradients
At first change googles second set down your brightness thanks, after all good content.
Dolby Vision is amazing on my tv. I don't play 4k discs on my Xbox anymore because it cant utilize the Dolby Vision meta data while reading a disc. But it CAN use Dolby Vision while streaming. Dolby Vision on a low bit rate stream (iTunes or Disney+) looks better to me than HDR10 off of a 4K disc. Its silly I have to make that choice, but at least there is a clear answer.
Could you guys do a video on hdr when it comes to gaming? There are many people who claim that DTM needs to be turned off for gaming if the tv doesn't have HGIG support, but these same people will tell Somy tv owners to turn DTM on to gradation preferred. I guess the question would be, are tvs still tone mapping for games even when DTM is off, and why is it that Sony is the only brand that everyone says needs to have DTM turned on for gaming? Thanks!
There's barely any 4K Bluray movies with HDR10+...
Most are on Amazon, but their streaming usually looks like streaming. i only saw one HDR10+, and I don't know if it was great or not, but I got joy just seeing that the TV detected it. Truth be told, as long as your TV has a tone mapping button on it - THAT is your HDR10+!
There seems to be a more Dolby Vision content than HDR10+. Samsung TVs will not support Dolby Vision though
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This video explains that with a high end TV, HDR10 (not plus) looks better than bad TV with DV.
Since high end TVs can do more than 1000 nits brightness natively with no need for software tone mapping by DV.
While most content are mastered to under 1000 nits.
So HDR10 (non plus) vs DV on same (high end) TV looks the same, the difference was due to panel used.
@@nafnaf0and that’s why I won’t buy a Samsung. Well that, and because seeing ads on my $2000 TV boils my blood.
When I watch Apple TV+ content through built in app on Samsung, it shows HDR10+ on most of the shows. The downside is that every now and again the pictures brightness drops suddenly and visibly 😩
*LG G2 (and other?) warning*
DOLBY VISION is broken. You should disable "Precision Detail" if a video uses Dolby Vision and you see odd issues like FLICKERING or weird GHOST TRAILS around objects. It's also intermittent. I watched the "Red One" Santa Clause movie, saw a thick ghosting around objects and then later saw massive flickering (old frame data getting mixed in with new frame data). I turned off Precision Detail, went back to the start of the scene and the issue was gone... I turned it back ON and it was still gone. Same scene. Then I watched for about 30 minutes and the problem came back later in the movie. Same for other movies.
DARK SCENES seem to look a lot better with Precision Detail enabled, but the problem is so random I just can't leave it on.
There is a little more to Dolby Vision vs HDR10 vs HDR10+ than what is said here. I have looked at a bunch of videos about this topic and it seems you can't easily compare them. As each TV can have issues and also change the EOTF from the standard. Once all formats are calibrated there is normally less of a difference. Dolby Vision is best on less bright TVs, so WOLEDs, the brighter the TV gets the less difference there is unless they master the Dolby Vision version for APL, shadow detail and colours differently.
The example given here with the A7N, there shouldn't be that much difference between HDR10 and DV. It looks like the HDR10 mode is bugged with lifted blacks, so looked low contrast, this can happen to DV as well where the HDR10 version looks best. Just depends on the TV model and the firmware at the time. I even saw a more high end hisense and sony have lifted black and colour issues with DV and so HDR10 was recommended to use until this is fixed.......by disabling DV altogether by using an external streaming box/stick so you can disable DV on that input.
It really is luck of the draw it seems. I can't believe you guys didn't mention this in the video......
All TVs should have a quick option of comparing SDR/HDR10/HDR10+/DV (essentially all modes they support). Obviously, it would have to tell the app to switch content but that way you can A/B it without doing the 3 screen thing that RTings is doing. Obviously, having 3 screens going will do it too but it's really overkill. Thank god stereo was better than mono in the 50s - can anyone imagine if stereo was half the time worse than mono like HDR or half the systems couldn't handle stereo well for 5-10 years? That sums up HDR in a nutshell.
The format the content is delivered in doesn't have any effect on the color. Its purely changes in tone mapping, and any difference you see visually is from the display calibration for each mode. Visually they should be identical if each mode is properly calibrated, aside from base HDR10 highlights and luminance depending on where the roll off point is set and how aggressive it is.
That makes a lot of sense, as this is the exact problem Dolby vision tries to fix.
Not if the content is mastered differently. Yes, that's not inherent to Dolby Vision and it should be possible in principle to achieve similar results in base HDR10, but that's what often happens in practice.
The saturation ansd contrast differences between HDR10 and Dolby Vision are similar to the differences visually between 2.2 and 2.4 gamma...2.4 gamma reduces some luminance leaving the same saturation which appears deeper as a result.
Um, random question. Where’d you get that headphone mannequin head behind you to the left?
That's our old mannequin head that we used to use for testing headphones/earbuds! We've since purchased a new one, you can see it in action over on our audio channel: ua-cam.com/video/VtCcBRovYw4/v-deo.htmlsi=XDoUpPKIYEUvkjr2
Good content as usual. But I have suggestion , do any of you ever think how your video looks ? White background, good looking woman but super white , its all white , the tshirt is white , everything. Cmon guys, if not anything change the tshirt please. My whole room litt up like a super nova the moment this video began.
Nice Switch 2 mention ;D
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I think: you should have shown actual HDR sample in a video about HDR. We don't have to take your words for anything, just record it in HDR and make sure it reflect what you seen with your eyes instead of this SDR for HDR impression.
Especially for a channel of your caliber. I expect more for a video about TV HDR performance.
I prefer Dolby vision any time of the day. Although HDR10+ is very tempting.
you know, you can always save some money for a good tv by downloading movies from some sketchy websites 👽
4:14 This particular showcase confuses the hell out of me. I own a LG G4 and I recently watched Arcane on it with Dolby Vision but the picture looked nothing like this. It looked dim and dark. HDR10 with LG's dynamic tonemapping looked much better!
Why does my viewing of Arcane with Dolby Vision look so bad when it looks stunning in your own showcase? I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I am watching the Blu-Ray version but without a Blu-Ray player (streaming it to my TV with Plex or Jellyfin). Could that be the cause? If so, why?
That's because you don't know how to set up your TV for Dolby Vision and maybe have uncalibrated panel. Arcane is awesome in DV on LG OLED.
I have a G3 and can maybe help answer this. First of all, it's worth knowing that Plex apps will have different support/capabilities depending on what platform you're using it on. Are you using the built-in Plex app? Are you using it through an Apple TV? Through a PS5? I don't have experience with jellyfin but I imagine it's similar. For the most part, Apple TV's Plex app is going to give you the widest range of DV support, BUT infuse on Apple TV will actually generally be even better at playing your Plex library properly than the Plex app itself. It's about $10 a year but well worth it. The other thing to check is whether your Blu-ray rip (mux? Unsure of the terminology) was done correctly. Dolby Vision uses a few different common "profiles" like profile 5, profile 8, etc, and if you haven't used the correct profile, it can lead to issues with playback where the file "falls back" in some cases to a regular HDR presentation. There's even more to this when it comes to dynamic metadata on Blu-rays - my understanding is they use a specific profile that does fall back in some situations, however that's beyond my limited knowledge and you should definitely consult Reddit or similar for more info.
@@sachind1231 I am aware of all of this. That is why I have both Plex and Jellyfin installed. LG TV's can only play videos in Dolby Vision if the file container is .mp4, .ts or .m2ts (not .mkv) and if the file is using Dolby Profile 5 or 8 (my Arcane file is a .mkv file with Dolby Vision profile 8.1). Jellyfin however has a new feature (that Plex lacks) which can remux Dolby Vision video files in real-time as you are playing them, converting them to a file format/Dolby Vision profile the TV actually supports.
I know it is actually running Dolby Vision because the Dolby Vision icon appears in the top-right corner when I play the file (Dolby Vision in Jellyfin, but on Plex it falls back to HDR, that is how I am able to compare the picture quality). To rule out the possibility of there being something wrong with Jellyfin, I have even tried to remux the file to a .mp4 myself and played it in Plex instead (now Plex actually played the file in Dolby Vision) and the results are the same.
I tried taking some pictures on my phone to show you ( imgur.com/a/dv-vs-hdr-JMb46Wt ) but unfortunately my phone camera makes the difference seem smaller than it really is. In real-life the Dolby Vision video looks much dimmer and duller. You'll just have to take my word for it. Both examples in the pictures are using the EXACT same picture settings ("Standard" picture mode with max brightness and no post processing).
All this makes a huge difference on projectors. 🙂
Nice topic.
I think its worth noting that some PC games do support hdr10+. Im able to get it from rdr2 and cyberpunk.
If you have a 4K Blu-ray player that supports Dolby Vision and your TV supports it the difference is going to be very noticeable. Dolby vision is the best of HDR. As for anybody thinking that you’re gonna get it from any streaming service, you’re not just stop go watch your things in standard. Streaming services still can’t even match a 1080 P Blu-ray so you might as well just forget any type of HDR content that 15 MB of compressed data ain’t gonna cut it.
I have a Samsung QN90B TV wich supports HDR10+, but when I try to watch an "HDR10+" tagged movie on Amazon Prime Video, it only displays it on normal HDR10...
There are very few exceptions in which cases the HDR10+ works, and the interface of my TV guarantees it is using that mode (for example: Fallout), but 99.99% of any movie or series explicitly showing **it should use HDR10+** doesn't work at all, no matter what I do.
Cuz Amazon lies and mislabeled all their content.. It always shows HDR on Nearly everything yet HDR seems to only be guaranteed to actually work when it's their original content
I like dolby visions when it comes to nature scene. The pops is eye candy. Dark scene looks good too.