What Happens Next In Dune Messiah?

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  • Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
  • Stay Duned... Welcome to WatchMojo, and today we’re taking a deep dive into Frank Herbert’s first sequel to “Dune”, “Dune Messiah”, for our MojoNotes series! For those who haven’t read the book, there are MAJOR spoilers ahead! We'll have a look at the players, themes, Stoneburner and more! How you read the books? Let us know in the comments!
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  • @WatchMojo
    @WatchMojo  2 місяці тому +17

    How you read the books? Let us know in the comments!
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  • @blassezfaire9940
    @blassezfaire9940 2 місяці тому +293

    Paul opens a chocolate factory...and sings against the horrors of capitalism...it gets crazy

    • @WatchMojo
      @WatchMojo  2 місяці тому +16

      LOL

    • @giantqtipz6577
      @giantqtipz6577 2 місяці тому +8

      capilism
      everyones cappin all the time

    • @tankehe
      @tankehe 2 місяці тому +1

      Honestly , Ur not too far off xd

    • @marekolchawski7998
      @marekolchawski7998 2 місяці тому

      😂😅

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому +1

      That's not too far from the plot of National Lampoon's DOON. It's a very clever parody of the novel, as Pall Mauve'Bib seeks justice for the actions of the Emperor Shaddup IV and Baron Hardchargin'. But can Pall and his mother survive the hostile sugars of Arruckis and the giant pretzels that live there?

  • @negatron313
    @negatron313 2 місяці тому +87

    Frank Herbert had to write it to further solidify the message of, "Charismatic leaders ought come with a warning, "I am dangerous to your health."

  • @matthewlambermon-southam4418
    @matthewlambermon-southam4418 2 місяці тому +63

    "Chani dies in childbirth" and here I was this whole time I was already calling Paul DarthTreides

    • @matthewlambermon-southam4418
      @matthewlambermon-southam4418 2 місяці тому +4

      also this is set past the year 10,000. has no one ever heard of a god dam c-section?

    • @Dularr
      @Dularr 2 місяці тому

      Spice induced eclampsia. Likely her organs were shutting down.​@@matthewlambermon-southam4418

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому +9

      @@matthewlambermon-southam4418 That's not why she dies. The poison in the contraceptives that Irulan put in her food meant that during her pregnancy she had to basically overdose on spice to carry to term. That resulted in her metabolism speeding up to the point that the pregnancy itself killed her.
      That overdose is why the twins are Pre-Born, with adult consciousness in infant bodies, like Alia.

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 2 місяці тому +62

    Me hoping for dune messiah to come out one day.
    “That’s not hope!”

  • @Firepuma27
    @Firepuma27 2 місяці тому +18

    I think in Villenuve's vision for Dune: Messiah, Chani may become part of the conspiracy against Paul acting as a double agent by regaining his trust and pretending to be his concubine while gaining information that would lead to his downfall. She might be reluctant at first since at the end she vowed to fight for her people, but will get a tragic reward in the end.

  • @TreyJ_mx
    @TreyJ_mx 2 місяці тому +33

    I think Jason Momoa could really turn in a good performance as Hayt

    • @LucyLioness100
      @LucyLioness100 2 місяці тому

      There’s rumors he could return 😉

    • @chrisl1832
      @chrisl1832 2 місяці тому +1

      @@LucyLioness100they wouldn't be adapting messiah into movie without including aqua man

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому

      @@chrisl1832 Different actors played Duncan in the two miniseries. It worked fine. It's ridiculous how the presenter in the video gushed about Momoa. He doesn't do a thing for me.

  • @MikeHudspeth
    @MikeHudspeth 2 місяці тому +39

    I hope Denis takes inspiration from the books but also adds his own originality to Dune: Part 3

    • @chrisl1832
      @chrisl1832 2 місяці тому +2

      Fr because idk if I wanna see a Timothee, Ana, aqua man love triangle

    • @BOOGiNS
      @BOOGiNS 2 місяці тому +1

      It's not dune part 3. It's dune messiah. A co.pletely different book.

    • @MikeHudspeth
      @MikeHudspeth 2 місяці тому +1

      @@BOOGiNS right I know that but I hope he just takes pieces from the book. I wouldn’t mind if it’s not totally faithful to the source material and if it took some ideas from several books.

    • @LyrixNChill
      @LyrixNChill 2 місяці тому +2

      @@MikeHudspethagreed. I hope they give Chani a more complete story arc and character development like they’ve been doing.

    • @grec.
      @grec. 2 місяці тому

      ​@@chrisl1832 That's never gonna happen. Paul is Alia's brother. So no love triangle with Hayt.

  • @mrtelevisionandmovies
    @mrtelevisionandmovies 2 місяці тому +26

    I think that a movie based on Dune: Messiah that serves as a sequel to Dune: Part 2 needs to happen. The first two were great so make a third one that makes a trilogy. A Dune Serie is coming in late 2024 on Max featuring Emily Watson and Mark Strong so there are more projects in the Dune franchise.

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому

      That one is based on the nuDune crap by Brian and Kevin, and takes place millennia before Dune itself. It's their way of making it clear to everyone how much they don't understand about the Butlerian Jihad and the fact that the Bene Gesserit were around and trying to breed the Kwisatz Haderach well before the Jihad.

  • @AndreaDoesYoga
    @AndreaDoesYoga 2 місяці тому +17

    Super excited for this deep dive into Dune Messiah! 🚀📘

  • @dantraficonte8752
    @dantraficonte8752 2 місяці тому +12

    This is gonna be tough to adapt

  • @marcosalvarez9826
    @marcosalvarez9826 2 місяці тому +10

    I feel bad for Paul.

  • @machtmer
    @machtmer 2 місяці тому +32

    Heck at this point I want Denis to adapt “Children of Dune” and literally every other book in the “Dune” universe!!!

    • @Dani_1012
      @Dani_1012 Місяць тому

      I haven't read the books yet but it seems Dune fans love "Children of Dune" and the later books

    • @sawtooth808
      @sawtooth808 Місяць тому

      @@Dani_1012 Do get a chance to read it, If Denis wants to adapt the entire Paul Atredes story, he kinda has to do Children of Dune

    • @CaloyEdits
      @CaloyEdits 24 дні тому

      He could pass the torch to the other directors. Denis said he does not want to do Dune all his life😂

  • @LucyLioness100
    @LucyLioness100 2 місяці тому +6

    I want to see Villeneuve adapt “Dune: Messiah” if he plans to do one last outing in this fantastical world

  • @dll_Rhemuth948
    @dll_Rhemuth948 2 місяці тому +6

    I wish Denis would combine during Messiah and children of Dune. Because when you think about it, OK, at the end of Dune Messiah, Paul walk into the desert, blind and alone. But he’s not dead yet. He hast to set the way for Leto to take the golden path. Then he dies.

    • @alexedi
      @alexedi 2 місяці тому +2

      exactly my thoughts. I mean, the miniseries combined them in abt 4.5 hrs. with some cutting, it could get to Return of the KIng length and REALLY finish Paul`s and Alia`s arcs with a bang.

  • @juanserna6322
    @juanserna6322 Місяць тому +5

    Chani wont be skeptical of pauls prophecy anymore. In pt2 jessica completely manipulated chani with the voice into participating in the water of life ritual to resuscitate paul out of the coma. Jessica knowing full well that paul was going to convert the poison anyways because of his benegeserit training did this because chani’s action would appear to be “as written” in the prophecy that was actually made up by the benegeserit. This made chani question her previous hesitations towards the fundamentalist fremen prophecy and now more align with the fundamentalists. This isnt only true for her, but also the audience of skeptic fremen who were there that day and relayed the story to their other skeptic friends, thus consequently converting the fremen to pauls side for a completely infallible jihad

  • @nabongobong9155
    @nabongobong9155 2 місяці тому +4

    Seeing how they done Dune, imagine if this gets adapted to big screen...

  • @doobadood
    @doobadood 2 місяці тому +38

    What happens next? Paul compared himself to the likes of Gengis Khan and Adolf Hitler. Thats what happen.

    • @TheBroGamer14082
      @TheBroGamer14082 2 місяці тому +2

      To anyone else comming across this. This is true. Stilgar even went something like "they didn't kill millions themselves? hmpf, amateurs"

    • @squanchy9755
      @squanchy9755 2 місяці тому

      What Khan and Hitler did were rookie numbers. Paul killed 61 billion people.

  • @chaost4544
    @chaost4544 Місяць тому +2

    What happens next makes pre-snap Thanos death toll look tame.

  • @elphiegleason3899
    @elphiegleason3899 День тому

    As a huge huge Herbert book purist I understand why certain changes were made and in my view they made parts 1 and 2 feel more relevant
    Messiah will have to address
    Time jump
    Chani’s pregnacy and death
    Alia knowing stuff due to Water of Life
    Iliana’s attempts to kill Chani

  • @alext5340
    @alext5340 2 місяці тому +14

    Now i'm interest in Dune Messiah now thanks to this video

    • @diosnelfrica590
      @diosnelfrica590 23 дні тому

      Watch the tv show. It isn’t Denis’ version but it’s really good.

    • @alext5340
      @alext5340 23 дні тому

      @@diosnelfrica590 i will

  • @aschoch7012
    @aschoch7012 2 місяці тому +4

    I'M LEADING THE WAY!

  • @fife007
    @fife007 6 днів тому

    I just finished reading Dune Messiah and came here looking for an explained video.

  • @IngrownPillow
    @IngrownPillow Місяць тому +1

    It should also be noted that his Jihad didn't entirely kill 61 billion. His monopolization of the Spice trade lead to billions dying from no longer having access to the addictive drug, spice

  • @rianjohannemanaoismanzon7258
    @rianjohannemanaoismanzon7258 Місяць тому

    Tim Blake Nelson Voicing Edric For Dune Messiah

  • @josephinedemarco8749
    @josephinedemarco8749 2 місяці тому +1

    As a joke, I would love to see Dune Messiah ending with the gimmick of "it was all a dream." As much of a cop out that would be, it would narratively make sense.

  • @Ax-xN
    @Ax-xN 2 місяці тому +3

    Where’s the revived Duncan Idaho super children clones

  • @rickbase833
    @rickbase833 3 дні тому

    Wonder if Denis will bring back Duncan like in the book. The ghola Hayt is meant to get close to Paul and kill him

  • @iulixMAXgames
    @iulixMAXgames Місяць тому +2

    The biggest problem is they should recast them because they should be much older in the next movie 🤷‍♂️

    • @CodyCoonrod
      @CodyCoonrod 22 дні тому

      They could, but I think it’s more likely they’ll show a lot of the actual war brought on by Paul’s decision. My hope is we get dual plots from both the war era and the aftermath plot more directly tied to the story of the books where an older cast represents Paul and crew.

  • @da_frecker_channel6375
    @da_frecker_channel6375 2 місяці тому

    It'll be interesting

  • @0mr0z0
    @0mr0z0 Місяць тому +2

    I just wana see paul kid as a worm lol

  • @michaeldesilvio221
    @michaeldesilvio221 2 місяці тому

    It looks like Jar Jar Binks.😂

  • @FabianDiazGutierrez
    @FabianDiazGutierrez 2 місяці тому

    wait what for three movie Paul stays chani.😘😘😘

  • @tobolulo
    @tobolulo 2 місяці тому

    Paul takes the path that ensures the long term survival of humanity...

  • @user-zk1nr2jz5c
    @user-zk1nr2jz5c 2 місяці тому +1

    ALIA OF THE KNIFE

  • @patrickn8355
    @patrickn8355 2 місяці тому +1

    I think Messiah will be the last film adaptation and I’m ok with that 😂

    • @diosnelfrica590
      @diosnelfrica590 23 дні тому

      Nah. They’ll likely continue down to emperor Dune. But I see them adapting things like the butlerian Jihad and all of that.

  • @fadesymetery6267
    @fadesymetery6267 2 місяці тому

    How is this 8 days old with 800 likes!

  • @trumanshow162
    @trumanshow162 Місяць тому

    Being a great entertainment, “Dune” also showed us the concern about the civilizational limits at that time.
    However, we have IT & AI improving wealth creation & distribution plus human abilities & cooperation.
    The original author neutralized political & religious issues with ingenious settings & tragic development.
    The director will make a more humane, hopeful, and informative movie adaptation for the 21st century.

  • @barnabuskorrum4004
    @barnabuskorrum4004 2 місяці тому +3

    Dune must have skimmped on the 3D budget, that creature looks so fake.

    • @alexedi
      @alexedi 2 місяці тому +5

      because it was from the tv miniseries circa 2000

    • @diosnelfrica590
      @diosnelfrica590 23 дні тому

      This is from the TV show that adapted the 3 main books. Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune

  • @JediKnight207
    @JediKnight207 Місяць тому +1

    Paul = Anakin

  • @thatsreelcreative
    @thatsreelcreative 16 днів тому

    Dune Messiah Part One should have Paul now becoming the messianic like figure across the Universe with him seeing visions of an evil antagonistic God like figure who seems to be a giant worm with a human like torso. The antagonistic supervillain even speaks to him as Paul thinks 🤔 this figure is the scourge of the Galaxy only for him to call Paul "father" and its Leto II communicating with him into the future. Paul is confused 😕 Leto II brings peace and unity to the galaxy by transforming himself into The Abomination so that The Houses can be united forever as Leto II turns himself into the bane of the Universe..Harkonian, Saduka, Freman are all united together under one banner against the God-worm Leto II

  • @asadbajwa8957
    @asadbajwa8957 29 днів тому

    Its crazier that in Dune Messiah, Hitler is also discussed and Paul is brought in comparison with Nazis horrible holocaust.

  • @davidcastro1570
    @davidcastro1570 Місяць тому

    all it needs is a final lightsaber battle

  • @claireshaw3998
    @claireshaw3998 Місяць тому

    I don't like it when a director of a film changes the plot of the book. Dune is the greatest science fiction book of all time. Please stay true to the book.

  • @ThomasCro
    @ThomasCro 2 місяці тому +1

    Paul Attack Titan Atreides

  • @MikePhilbin1966
    @MikePhilbin1966 Місяць тому

    I don't think VILLENEUVE will do any of this.

  • @grec.
    @grec. 2 місяці тому

    "Paul goes into the desert as a man, no longer a god, no longer an emperor..."
    SPOILER:
    Then becomes The Preacher

  • @wesgleeson
    @wesgleeson 2 місяці тому +6

    4:44 "Have you SEEN Jason Momoa?"
    Now imagine this was a male voiceover guy talking about an actress. Don't see much of that anymore.

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому

      Yeah, seen him. Yawn. The actor in the Children of Dune miniseries was much better.

  • @MDShanto-iz6kt
    @MDShanto-iz6kt Місяць тому

    I have some explanation on the Dune movie too brother hope you feel interesting…..
    1) It’s a propaganda of Cristian believe based movie….. Reason: The name of the hero Paul (saint Paul wrote bible right? So Cristian believe he is the holy spirit )
    2) The earth worm ( it’s based on The Holy Quran … Topic: Dabaatul-Ard meaning: The beast of earth )
    3) Islamic believes on Imam Mahdi.
    *there are many other religions references but I feel these 3 is enough for now. What you say 😊 ?
    Am I right?

  • @proholic
    @proholic 2 місяці тому +2

    what is DUNE? i never heard about it

  • @jorgeadairramos7469
    @jorgeadairramos7469 2 місяці тому +2

    Hello good morning

  • @blutomindpretzel1735
    @blutomindpretzel1735 2 місяці тому +2

    that Children of Dune tv special was terrible. a Messiah movie has so much promise though, but it'll be over 3 hrs. It has to be!

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому

      What was terrible about it?
      Okay, I'll admit that casting Susan Sarandon as Julie Cox's younger sister was ridiculous. I like Susan Sarandon, but she was hopelessly miscast.

  • @BOOGiNS
    @BOOGiNS 2 місяці тому

    Id rsther see god emporer of dune made into a movie

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому

      You want an entire theatre of people to fall asleep? Most of that book is Leto blathering away to whoever he can force to listen to him have a self-pity party about how much he's sacrificed, or alternatively how close he is to killing them.

  • @cakes3958
    @cakes3958 2 місяці тому +5

    Ooooh hey, I’m early! Do y’all like Dune?

    • @Reaperguy67
      @Reaperguy67 2 місяці тому +3

      Yes . The first one was amazing

    • @StanHalen1936
      @StanHalen1936 2 місяці тому

      Duuuurrrrr I'm early duuuurrrrrrr

    • @cakes3958
      @cakes3958 2 місяці тому

      @@StanHalen1936 you ain’t early, you 2 hours late

  • @Jeremiah_Rivers76
    @Jeremiah_Rivers76 2 місяці тому +2

    The books are too long for my liking.

    • @LucyLioness100
      @LucyLioness100 2 місяці тому

      They’re on audiobook so you could take your time

    • @b-retrogamer2324
      @b-retrogamer2324 2 місяці тому

      800 pages is not long.

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому

      Yeah, it takes an attention span to get through them.

  • @Mr.StevenKerr
    @Mr.StevenKerr 2 місяці тому +2

    Just read the fucking book my god. Why does everyone need everything explained to them?

    • @Shan_Dalamani
      @Shan_Dalamani 2 місяці тому

      Actually thinking and reasoning things out are apparently hard in the social media era. I read the novels back in the early/mid-'80s, and it was over 20 years before I found Dune forums online where we could discuss the books. There were some incredible discussions about so many aspects of the books. Sadly most of those sites are gone now. So many insights just zapped.

  • @TheMartzyanu
    @TheMartzyanu 2 місяці тому

    Can we stop casting Anya Taylor-Joy in every movie now?

  • @AndreaRuizCa
    @AndreaRuizCa Місяць тому

    She is gone.

  • @elpatron3949
    @elpatron3949 2 місяці тому +1

    Read the fucking book stop looking for answers on you tube , it’s an easy read too a bright mind

  • @pdgf
    @pdgf Місяць тому

    So why make Dune Messiah when we can just watch Children of Dune 2 decades ago?! 😊😅😂

  • @sakajungle
    @sakajungle 2 місяці тому +2

    I don't think Tyrion Lannister and the Hoolywwod woke patrol will allow a "dwarf" person appears as Bijazz in Dune Messiah... Villeneuve must improvise.

    • @mrcydonia
      @mrcydonia 2 місяці тому +3

      Maybe cast Danny DeVito.

    • @RumRomeo-mu2up
      @RumRomeo-mu2up 2 місяці тому +3

      Since you’re anti-woke and you sleepwalk. You must’ve been asleep during a show called Game of Thrones, and “dwarf” who was played by Peter Dinklage.

    • @henrymolina7773
      @henrymolina7773 Місяць тому +1

      They already had one in part 2. Woke patrol isn’t a real thing, it only exists on X.

    • @wiinterflowers4277
      @wiinterflowers4277 15 днів тому

      @@RumRomeo-mu2up I think Peter Dinklage should play Bijazz. He was the one actor I pictured when I reread Messiah. If they age up the characters, Vanessa Kirby would work as an older Irulan (keyword: IF!). Speaking of if, they gotta include the Spacing Guild. Oh and cast Aiden Gillian (yes Littlefinger himself) as Otheym. Or even Burn Gorman. That guy is a total redflag in almost every role he plays!