@@StacheDTraining...but how can you refer to yourself as a SME if you don't know the proper name of the vehicle from the largest lithium ion battery recall in US history? It should have been correct first time and not require editing.
I remember several years back when battery pallets were leaking and causing fires in airplanes. I think they got too cold and leaked causing the fires. It was in mid to high 70's in miami during this current incident. Is 80 degrees dangerous for the batteries like the cold weather was? I considered a hybrid vehicle this last time but got one with flex fuel instead. I like the idea of electric vehicles but one that blows up or catches fire in moderate weather is a real deal breaker.
there are so many containers full of trashed cars being shipped out, it would be easy to miss. they are all over newark NJ, shipping out 100s of containers.
This is a horrific case , I hope all involved are OK. Im a retired ships Captain , we may have a plentiful supply of salt water but have limited crew and FF equipment , had this container been placed on the ship and it had sailed the outcome would have been disastrous .
@@MadMomma-kj9ks And when gas vehicles explode/catch fire... ban those too, right. The problem is not with the vehicle, the problem is with people skirting rules in an attempt to make a quick buck. These vehicle were declared unfit and should have been immediately recycled/disassembled, not put in a shipping containers. You don't ban dangerous cutlery because a crazy guy stabs someone.
Technology will advance. This is the result of someone pushing new technology before it's ready, with big oil doing everything they can to undermine/prevent that research. Corporate greed is more important than human life.
@@kenth151 Not until there's a groundbreaking technological battery storage / safety advancement, or a filmed disaster more visually horrifying than the Hindenburg. Take your pick.
@@comfortablynumb9342This difference is the gas cars don’t just burst into flames sitting in your garage. Also the fire department can put out a gas fire but not these “green” fires. Educate yourself so you do not appear so ignorant and stupid.
Ultimately, the purchaser/shipper was aware at least two of those were not eligible to ship but somehow skirted the existing regulations. They should be pursued.
1:27 - just a point of clarification our good Captain, that is actually a MY '22 or '23 "second gen" Chevy Bolt 2LT (with a "B"). that's the full EV where some of those 2022 models were included in the GM/LG Battery "Total Recall". ironically i went and looked at a used one in that EXACT same color and trim at a dealer on the Boulevard here in Northeast Philly only to see obvious signs it had been in a flood. there was condensation in the back underneath the deck cover and condensation all along the base of the windshield, so much so that it partially obscured the VIN that you see through that little window (as usual i still have the pics on my 1TB phone). let's just say that afternoon, neither the Salesmen nor that Dealership did anything to IMPROVE the bad reputation that Used Car Salesmen have earned around the world.🤔
Musk is trying to kill reporting on some EV problems. It was actually reporting of self driving vehicles. It isn't much of a jump to cover up these problems too.
It would seem that it wouldn't matter if a damaged BEV battery was connected to a load or not, an internal short would still be possible. Thinking of the horrific video of the poor guy who had his bike battery go up when he carried it on an elevator.
re: "Thinking of the horrific video of the poor guy who had his bike battery go up when he carried it on an elevator." see, Lee took time to watch the video. 🤙
@@joycedudzinski9415 Not until internal combustion is banned. Then the only cars you can buy will be made for 15 minute cities, and you will need permission to travel by any means. "Papers please"
Thanks for the update. Valid information is critical in situations such as this. Wild speculation and gross condemnation serve no valid purpose. There certainly are serious issues to be addressed. Your approach is a positive effort to lead to a safer future for all parties involved. Thank you.
@@poempadgett4664EV’s rarely catch fire (particularly when submerged). Tesla batteries can be disconnected - there is an explosive actuated fuse under the floor that does that (it is actuated in a collision).
Removing a battery on most hybrids is easy, but most are also NiMh and not as flammable or combustible. On Teslas and other full on EVs the car is built around the battery.
@@don2deliverImo that is misinformation. On bespoke EVs the battery is usually in the bottom, only held in by a few dozen bolts. It is trivial to drop them out if you have a four post lift. In hybrids the batteries can be in a multitude of places. Of course in hybrids the batteries are smaller, but they might not be any easier to remove.
@ NiMH batteries haven’t been used in hybrids for years (and have been known to burn through the bottoms of vehicles when they overheat (they hit temperatures high enough to melt aluminium and steel)).
The HV battery in most EVs is disconnected from the rest of the vehicle by the battery contactors inside the battery pack when the vehicle is turned off. If you want to make sure it cannot be turned on, just pull any of the HV plugs to break the HV integrity loop. The problem is that disabling the HV battery terminals does nothing to energy already inside nor any faults within the battery pack.
@@geoffsclassiccars HV plugs have a lock tab or lever, foldable handle or other mechanism that breaks the integrity loop before the connectors can be pulled off. For bolted-on connections, that usually takes the form of a pass-through connector on the access panel. Much of the time, integrity features have their own separate wiring connectors next to the HV cables and can be disconnected separately too, no need to even touch the HV connectors if you are squeamish about them. No integrity loop, no power to contactors, no HV anywhere outside the battery pack. Those contactors get their power from the low-voltage system to operate. Dead or no low-voltage battery, no HV either, that is yet another option. Manufacturers went to substantial lengths to make their HV systems nearly idiot-proof. The main thing to be wary of is that contactors can get stuck or welded shut, so there is a small chance HV cables may remain live. Don't try licking them. If a car has been sitting for weeks with its contactors stuck closed between the time of sinister and shipping after auction, the battery would most likely be completely dead from all parasitic loads.
But even with that, if it's allowed inside a shipping container that also contains a flooded Tesla the chance the battery will end up going boom anyway is not zero.
'They' (democrats) are the only reason there are electric cars on the road at all. Waiting for 'them' to make anything better or safer? LOL Take a bus and try to avoid the used needles.
It happened once here that a closed garage with an EV parked inside exploded: it was due to the fact that the battery was damaged and it was releasing a gas that caused the explosion. I guess this is the case, I wonder if a vent would have prevented that
Yup. But apparently they were *all* EVs. In a different thread for this video, it was noted that the Chevy was a full EV (Bolt) rather than a hybrid (PHEV Volt).
I didn't watch your precious video but want to congratulate you on correcting your first video. A lot of yiutubers wouldn't do that but that is the correct thing to do! Congratulations!
The 2014 Ford Fusion looked like it had Pa. state inspection stickers on it. Fla. doesn't have state inspection. It would have been driven on salt and brine roads. 10 years of this usually has the underside of the bodies rusted out.
I really appreciate your videos. I have been concerned re: Li-ion batteries since they came out. I follow a UA-camr who chases fires in NYC. Those e-bikes and scooters are creating all kind of havoc and undo risk in the city, when they are stored indoors.
None! None! None! 🤣Seriously, it takes six years of driving before an electric car's total (build + usage) emissions equal that of a gas car (build + usage). Then the electric car battery is trash, too expensive to replace, and the EV must be replaced. The gas car keeps running for 20 more years.
@@didiersavard6809 We could make gas cars that last fifty years up there. "We have the technology." But... guess how that affects new car sales. 😫 Which one would you want: Lasts 'forever' never breaks down 30 years old or something kinda new? Either way, cars need to sell so rust is king. The average age of a gas car in USA right now is 12.5 years - more than twice the maximum life of any EV.
Water and Electricity don't mix. Ability of water to extinguish fire does not hold water, when it comes to BEV fires. The difference between Gas tanks and HV battery packs, is Gas is contained in a oxygen deprived environment( and protected from flashpoint fire, by keeping temperature low), In a HV Bat. pack, the only mechanism to protect the energy dense battery from igniting is temperature regulation. There are tons of ways,the temp. regulation can be compromised, one of which is water ingress, turning on the electronics in the BMS to short out the battery, leading to fire. Water by itself cannot conduct several tens of amperes to cause the battery cell to self heat(due to internal resistance of the cell). The Contactors just disconnect HV battery system, with the BMS still connected intact(except when pyro fuse activates in a direct collision). Water seeping into BMS(since the HV Bat. Pack is not hermitically sealed enough to handle prolonged submerging under water) eventually triggers shorting of the battery, causing it to go into thermal runaway. The fundamental issue, is that of design, that is based of couple of mosfets protecting the battery by timed disconnects(typical of any battery charging/overload ckts). Unfortunately it does not work well for the water soaked situations, where an electroplating reaction results in metal deposits shorting out the smd components(although protected by a conformal coating that eventually wears out). This could openup a can of worms on regulating battery pack design for safety under water exposure conditions 🤯.Just some thoughts to add clarity.❤👍
To reduce state of charge apparently does not reduce the likelihood- nor that much of the energy in the fire ; surprising though that seems. a university did a very detailed study. I forget the name of it but it is available online and a completely flat battery and I think an 80% battery Only had something like a 10 or 20% energy release differential and from memory no more or less likelihood or sensitivity to fire
Dude: When are you going to release the information "that you must have by now" about the true "causticity" of the smoke fumes, NOT JUST Toxicity... "Causticity" as well as the short term and long term medical "injuries" of being subjected to "the smoke"? When these batteries first came out for hobbyists, we were told the deep truths because they (businesses) wanted to protect themselves legally in giving "fair warning" of just how bad the smoke of burning lithium batteries really are. When the money got big and the politics got thick everything that we were told immediately became hushed/censored/not propagated or spoken of. This is just part of what we were told: If you walk through a smoke cloud of a burning lithium battery we were told to immediately strip and get to a shower ASAP. Our clothes were to be thrown away because to wash them of the lithium isn't possible and therefore the clothes were permanently medically dangerous to wear. (that's just one of the warnings that they "used to" tell us). Now think about the smoke clouds that have enveloped homes, automobiles, Playgrounds, Children's bicycles, baby toys, """Farm fields""", Roadways, bridges, and a million/billion etcetera's. HOW ARE YOU STILL SILENT ON THIS SUBJECT??????? FACT IS THAT "EVERYWHERE" THAT THESE BATTERIES HAVE BURNED IS AN PERMANANT ENVIORNMENTAL DISASTER AREA. That's why the silence is SOOO deafening! Why are you silent????? Have you been silenced????? Why haven't you dug deeper into this subject????? Are you going to burn in hell "with them"????? Is it worth it????? When "caused" medical issues are years down the road and therefore can't be proven to be linked to one specific happening: Total silence about the dangers occurs and many people die "miserable deaths" for profits!
You need to find out why standard automobiles don’t blow up and explode into flames, white lithium, battery controlled electric vehicles, and then report on it instead of being afraid of what the government will say if you point out electrical vehicles explode On a regular basis
The issue is that NONE of these vehicles should be exported without removal of the HV battery and placement into a sealed and inert gas filled high tensile container. The EU recently changed their rules that batteries will be removed, if possible, if an EV or HEV are involved in a collision or they be placed in special vehicles where inert gases can flood the shipping area. Water will not put out a Lithium fire.
Other videos on YT I've watched in the past indicate that a lot of salvage EV's get shipped over to Ukraine, repaired and sold for dirt cheap, whereas here in the US an EV with salvage are not typically recoverable.
Would you say the battery went hot, went to flame, and the resulting pressure buildup caused the explosion of the container, or some other explanation?
That’s interesting because I have a 09 Silverado hybrid that has the same battery as a regular electric vehicle and it has a circuit breaker that you can use to disconnect it from the vehicle and work on the hybrid part of the system. It’s right on the side of the hi voltage battery under the backseat and I just pop a trim piece off and reach in and remove it just like a breaker in the power box on the house.
These EVs are like finding unexploded ordinance. Very risky being around them. Time bombs, or is it more like Russian roulette with cars instead. Who doesnt like an exciting gamble
… and this is why the EV/Hybrid vehicle craze needs to cease until technology and fire risks are better understood and mitigated! How much worse would this have been if the ship had been at sea?
Great one! Subscribed! Electric vehicles are a pollution menace. Insurance companies total them when they have minimal damaged because nobody knows how to work on them AND they are risky when damaged as presented here. I wish EVs were better because they are fast, but they are a trainwreck.
Also what people forget unless you are in a minority of countries they are a pollution menace just getting the electricity to run them as many countries depend on coal fired electricity which ultimately is less efficient and more emission producing than burning petrol or diesel in a car
Electric cars have a far larger carbon footprint. Carbon footprints are green, so there's no reason to care, but what about the BATTERY FOOTPRINT? Highly toxic, impossible to economically recycle. Lithium ion batteries are environmental disasters.
So where as I buy old, damaged cars to restore them, use them, eventually sell them on because I don't want to keep creating new products when the ones we have are still working. Now I will have to risk turning a cargo container into an accidental sudden pressure event and even if it makes it to me intact, still not make money on it and maybe have an accidental high pressure event in my workshop? So.. Cars are over and the car industry is dead and it's killing everything it can along the way? Thanks government, progress is amazing.
Tesla owners were warned to park their flooded vehicles outside their garages and away from their homes during our recent hurricane season while they were drying out.
Once again, your battery placard design is needed for all EVs, bike, scooters, and batteries, new, used, or damaged. It also needs to be adopted as a UN shipping label and not just a North American label.
Go figure all four EV were damaged. Keeping in mind a slight bump or water damage can make them go off like a roman candle days or weeks later. Luckily it didn't go up when the ship was at sea. COntainer ships have gone down on account these death traps.
Well, you're on the subject, I would suggest you look into something that I've heard of with Tesla being how you can connect there systems to your phone. I've heard of people that have had teslas or totaled out and run through the insurance company to be destroyed, but only only to find the car reappears on the system overseas months later still in their name and on the road again. i bet that's where these Cars Were going
The White car you keep showing as a Tesla Model X is really a tesla Model 3. The Model X is easy to spot, as the front and rear door handles are next to each other, looking like one large handle. It is also hte large Tesla SUV. The white car is a Model 3, the small Tesla sedan.
Ha Ha Ha..not only do Coal cars set themselves on fire, now they also blow up shipping containers? Shipping companies will refuse to ship them from now on..L o L .!!!!
I’m from Homosassa Springs 🤦♀️ this vehicle was submerged during Hurricane Helene & it should never have gone anywhere at all 🤷♀️ after the hurricane many electric cars exploded & burned down homes as well as whole neighborhoods!
That was a Chevy Bolt EV, not Volt PHEV
You're 100% correct. I forgot to change that detail between getting the info and seeing the auction info.
@@StacheDTraining You seem to do that a lot, "firefighter".
Here in Australia, this vehicle is actually called the Volt.
@@StacheDTraining...but how can you refer to yourself as a SME if you don't know the proper name of the vehicle from the largest lithium ion battery recall in US history? It should have been correct first time and not require editing.
was it a Bolt out of the dark?
I’m really surprised a shipper would allow an electric vehicle with a salvage title anywhere near their ships.
Money i guess
@ I’m also surprised their insurance company allows it.
@@fountainvalley100the insurance company has a perfect refusal now.
I remember several years back when battery pallets were leaking and causing fires in airplanes. I think they got too cold and leaked causing the fires. It was in mid to high 70's in miami during this current incident. Is 80 degrees dangerous for the batteries like the cold weather was? I considered a hybrid vehicle this last time but got one with flex fuel instead. I like the idea of electric vehicles but one that blows up or catches fire in moderate weather is a real deal breaker.
there are so many containers full of trashed cars being shipped out, it would be easy to miss. they are all over newark NJ, shipping out 100s of containers.
This is a horrific case , I hope all involved are OK.
Im a retired ships Captain , we may have a plentiful supply of salt water but have limited crew and FF equipment , had this container been placed on the ship and it had sailed the outcome would have been disastrous .
I think there was a case of a sunken ship full of prius car containers, way back in 2011, from the tsunami I believe.
@@carriecree1789 Prius has used NiMih chemistry until very recently and that is much safer than Lithium chemistry.
Lucky this didn’t happen when it was at sea in the middle of other containers
Or in your garage
Ban these dangerous high voltage vehicles.
@@MadMomma-kj9ks And when gas vehicles explode/catch fire... ban those too, right. The problem is not with the vehicle, the problem is with people skirting rules in an attempt to make a quick buck. These vehicle were declared unfit and should have been immediately recycled/disassembled, not put in a shipping containers. You don't ban dangerous cutlery because a crazy guy stabs someone.
This issue is not going to go away.
These cars will incinerate the world.
@@MadMomma-kj9ks Sad but true.
Maybe solid state
Technology will advance. This is the result of someone pushing new technology before it's ready, with big oil doing everything they can to undermine/prevent that research.
Corporate greed is more important than human life.
@@kenth151 Not until there's a groundbreaking technological battery storage / safety advancement, or a filmed disaster more visually horrifying than the Hindenburg. Take your pick.
Wow it's amazing how GREEN these vehicles are!
Probably a shade of gray black now.😅
They’re all crispy black now….
The Green refers to the amount of cash you waste on them!😁
Have you seen the kia 2018 gas fire? Not that this any better. No, this not good I do does not want to be in any kind of fire.
They meant Green as in costly to have and more costlier to get gid of.
Thank you for keeping us informed .
It could have sunk a ship and crew!
It already happened! Two freight ships caught on fire! One loaded with hundreds of Volkswagen brands and EV's. Porsche, Bentley, Audi,...
They were all brand new, the only salt and moisture was from the air, plus that was a dedicated car hauling ship. @@Nellie-H
Imagine burning down a million GRT of ship with your EV and thinking you are the good guys for the environment.
😂
Imagine ignoring all of the gas powered cars that have burned over the years and acting like they're somehow better.
@@comfortablynumb9342This difference is the gas cars don’t just burst into flames sitting in your garage. Also the fire department can put out a gas fire but not these “green” fires. Educate yourself so you do not appear so ignorant and stupid.
@@comfortablynumb9342 You misspelled "dumb"
And the next ad I got was - for an EV car.
Ultimately, the purchaser/shipper was aware at least two of those were not eligible to ship but somehow skirted the existing regulations. They should be pursued.
A lot worse is happening when in comes to reckless activity in ships sadly
1:27 - just a point of clarification our good Captain, that is actually a MY '22 or '23 "second gen" Chevy Bolt 2LT (with a "B"). that's the full EV where some of those 2022 models were included in the GM/LG Battery "Total Recall". ironically i went and looked at a used one in that EXACT same color and trim at a dealer on the Boulevard here in Northeast Philly only to see obvious signs it had been in a flood. there was condensation in the back underneath the deck cover and condensation all along the base of the windshield, so much so that it partially obscured the VIN that you see through that little window (as usual i still have the pics on my 1TB phone). let's just say that afternoon, neither the Salesmen nor that Dealership did anything to IMPROVE the bad reputation that Used Car Salesmen have earned around the world.🤔
That is eco friendly booms.
The absolute stupidity to ship an electric vehicle that had been submerged... unbelievable.
It’s ironic that they are equipped with a system designed to protect the battery, but not anything else.
Like the Cybertruck fire where the main HV battery was intact but one of the low voltage lithium batteries under the frunk caught fire.
A Tesla flooded with salt water? What could possibly go wrong?
Why specify Tesla? Do you know of any ev that would do well in that condition?
So the container was worth more than the contents?
Exploding vehicles are problematic, but I've never heard it on the mainstream 'news' - counter-narrative I guess.
Musk is trying to kill reporting on some EV problems. It was actually reporting of self driving vehicles. It isn't much of a jump to cover up these problems too.
It would seem that it wouldn't matter if a damaged BEV battery was connected to a load or not, an internal short would still be possible. Thinking of the horrific video of the poor guy who had his bike battery go up when he carried it on an elevator.
re: "Thinking of the horrific video of the poor guy who had his bike battery go up when he carried it on an elevator." see, Lee took time to watch the video. 🤙
Poor guy? He had bought an electric bike. World renowned fot catching fire
Will they ever learn how dangerous these vehicles are.
Never,while the present crop of politicians around the globe are both making money from the net Zero scam and ,they keep getting fed lies.
They don't care, it's a religious fervor with no end and no common sense applied.
No... Because the news isn't reporting on it.
@@joycedudzinski9415 Not until internal combustion is banned. Then the only cars you can buy will be made for 15 minute cities, and you will need permission to travel by any means. "Papers please"
Cos no petrol vehicle ever exploded. Fool.
Thanks for the update.
Valid information is critical in situations such as this. Wild speculation and gross condemnation serve no valid purpose.
There certainly are serious issues to be addressed. Your approach is a positive effort to lead to a safer future for all parties involved. Thank you.
Plus it was probably under salt water which is worse.
Not so “Environmentally friendly” 😳
Lol right
Exactly
never were - never will be - just a liberals pipe dream
States need to enact laws that demand all EV and Hybrid vehicles that are flooded have the batteries removed ASAP as a safety precaution
Aren’t they typically already afire at that point, though?
@@poempadgett4664EV’s rarely catch fire (particularly when submerged).
Tesla batteries can be disconnected - there is an explosive actuated fuse under the floor that does that (it is actuated in a collision).
Removing a battery on most hybrids is easy, but most are also NiMh and not as flammable or combustible. On Teslas and other full on EVs the car is built around the battery.
@@don2deliverImo that is misinformation. On bespoke EVs the battery is usually in the bottom, only held in by a few dozen bolts. It is trivial to drop them out if you have a four post lift. In hybrids the batteries can be in a multitude of places. Of course in hybrids the batteries are smaller, but they might not be any easier to remove.
@ NiMH batteries haven’t been used in hybrids for years (and have been known to burn through the bottoms of vehicles when they overheat (they hit temperatures high enough to melt aluminium and steel)).
Ben Sullins will definitely say statistically speaking the likely vehicle at fault was the Ford Fusion.
The HV battery in most EVs is disconnected from the rest of the vehicle by the battery contactors inside the battery pack when the vehicle is turned off. If you want to make sure it cannot be turned on, just pull any of the HV plugs to break the HV integrity loop. The problem is that disabling the HV battery terminals does nothing to energy already inside nor any faults within the battery pack.
Be careful doing that there's about 600 volts going through those!
# STRANDED ENERGY
@@geoffsclassiccars HV plugs have a lock tab or lever, foldable handle or other mechanism that breaks the integrity loop before the connectors can be pulled off. For bolted-on connections, that usually takes the form of a pass-through connector on the access panel.
Much of the time, integrity features have their own separate wiring connectors next to the HV cables and can be disconnected separately too, no need to even touch the HV connectors if you are squeamish about them.
No integrity loop, no power to contactors, no HV anywhere outside the battery pack. Those contactors get their power from the low-voltage system to operate. Dead or no low-voltage battery, no HV either, that is yet another option.
Manufacturers went to substantial lengths to make their HV systems nearly idiot-proof. The main thing to be wary of is that contactors can get stuck or welded shut, so there is a small chance HV cables may remain live. Don't try licking them.
If a car has been sitting for weeks with its contactors stuck closed between the time of sinister and shipping after auction, the battery would most likely be completely dead from all parasitic loads.
But even with that, if it's allowed inside a shipping container that also contains a flooded Tesla the chance the battery will end up going boom anyway is not zero.
Interesting information about titles
I just subscribed . A totally on point report
So there were two Teslas in the container that exploded. Why am I not surprised?
They just need to take electric vehicles off the market. It’s clear this technology needs a lot more work to make safe and reliable
'They' (democrats) are the only reason there are electric cars on the road at all. Waiting for 'them' to make anything better or safer? LOL Take a bus and try to avoid the used needles.
Not surprising. These are electric cars and they are subject to spontaneous combustion.
It happened once here that a closed garage with an EV parked inside exploded: it was due to the fact that the battery was damaged and it was releasing a gas that caused the explosion. I guess this is the case, I wonder if a vent would have prevented that
Seeing mostly EV's said all i needed to know.
Yup. But apparently they were *all* EVs.
In a different thread for this video, it was noted that the Chevy was a full EV (Bolt) rather than a hybrid (PHEV Volt).
I didn't watch your precious video but want to congratulate you on correcting your first video.
A lot of yiutubers wouldn't do that but that is the correct thing to do!
Congratulations!
The 2014 Ford Fusion looked like it had Pa. state inspection stickers on it. Fla. doesn't have state inspection. It would have been driven on salt and brine roads. 10 years of this usually has the underside of the bodies rusted out.
The hybrid battery is in the trunk. It is unlikely to be the cause of this ofc.
If it worn’t for money, lithium car batteries would be band. Greed before safety.
Yes, banned for sure!
Awesome video 👍👌😀🙏
With all the technology crammed into EVs, you'd think they'd have something like the excessive moisture exposure indicators Apple puts in the iPhones.
oh it got something like that... it's giving off smoke signals that are hard to miss
good video
What surprise E.Vs. Ànd all involved in accidents. The things may end up killing the most people or just end up on the worst automobile in history.
Thanks. I appreciate the info.
Elon needs this info asap since he says his batteries are watertight.
He knows. The biggest crook in the US
I really appreciate your videos. I have been concerned re: Li-ion batteries since they came out. I follow a UA-camr who chases fires in NYC. Those e-bikes and scooters are creating all kind of havoc and undo risk in the city, when they are stored indoors.
Would like to check out the UA-camr you follow....
@@RomperRuinedme too
Shipping regulations, what are those?
How much carbon release from ev?
None! None! None! 🤣Seriously, it takes six years of driving before an electric car's total (build + usage) emissions equal that of a gas car (build + usage). Then the electric car battery is trash, too expensive to replace, and the EV must be replaced. The gas car keeps running for 20 more years.
@@jameso1447 Not here in the great white north. Rust is king.
@@didiersavard6809 We could make gas cars that last fifty years up there. "We have the technology." But... guess how that affects new car sales. 😫 Which one would you want: Lasts 'forever' never breaks down 30 years old or something kinda new? Either way, cars need to sell so rust is king.
The average age of a gas car in USA right now is 12.5 years - more than twice the maximum life of any EV.
@@didiersavard6809fluid film your vehicle twice per year. It'll help.
If that happened at sea it could have been catastrophic and possibly sunk the ship .
Water and Electricity don't mix. Ability of water to extinguish fire does not hold water, when it comes to BEV fires. The difference between Gas tanks and HV battery packs, is Gas is contained in a oxygen deprived environment( and protected from flashpoint fire, by keeping temperature low), In a HV Bat. pack, the only mechanism to protect the energy dense battery from igniting is temperature regulation. There are tons of ways,the temp. regulation can be compromised, one of which is water ingress, turning on the electronics in the BMS to short out the battery, leading to fire. Water by itself cannot conduct several tens of amperes to cause the battery cell to self heat(due to internal resistance of the cell). The Contactors just disconnect HV battery system, with the BMS still connected intact(except when pyro fuse activates in a direct collision). Water seeping into BMS(since the HV Bat. Pack is not hermitically sealed enough to handle prolonged submerging under water) eventually triggers shorting of the battery, causing it to go into thermal runaway. The fundamental issue, is that of design, that is based of couple of mosfets protecting the battery by timed disconnects(typical of any battery charging/overload ckts). Unfortunately it does not work well for the water soaked situations, where an electroplating reaction results in metal deposits shorting out the smd components(although protected by a conformal coating that eventually wears out). This could openup a can of worms on regulating battery pack design for safety under water exposure conditions 🤯.Just some thoughts to add clarity.❤👍
How likely is it that something like this might happen a second time?
Thanks, Steve
e.v's batterys go boom when in saltwater ..
electrification is not in my future!
Perhaps we should spend a little more time designing battery packs that are 100% safe. Or at least as safe as a tank of gas.
To reduce state of charge apparently does not reduce the likelihood- nor that much of the energy in the fire ; surprising though that seems. a university did a very detailed study. I forget the name of it but it is available online and a completely flat battery and I think an 80% battery Only had something like a 10 or 20% energy release differential and from memory no more or less likelihood or sensitivity to fire
How can you ship a damaged salvage vehicle with a battery still in it when it's an electric vehicle? Shouldn't that be part of what you don't do?
Dude: When are you going to release the information "that you must have by now" about the true "causticity" of the smoke fumes, NOT JUST Toxicity... "Causticity" as well as the short term and long term medical "injuries" of being subjected to "the smoke"? When these batteries first came out for hobbyists, we were told the deep truths because they (businesses) wanted to protect themselves legally in giving "fair warning" of just how bad the smoke of burning lithium batteries really are. When the money got big and the politics got thick everything that we were told immediately became hushed/censored/not propagated or spoken of.
This is just part of what we were told:
If you walk through a smoke cloud of a burning lithium battery we were told to immediately strip and get to a shower ASAP. Our clothes were to be thrown away because to wash them of the lithium isn't possible and therefore the clothes were permanently medically dangerous to wear. (that's just one of the warnings that they "used to" tell us).
Now think about the smoke clouds that have enveloped homes, automobiles, Playgrounds, Children's bicycles, baby toys, """Farm fields""", Roadways, bridges, and a million/billion etcetera's.
HOW ARE YOU STILL SILENT ON THIS SUBJECT???????
FACT IS THAT "EVERYWHERE" THAT THESE BATTERIES HAVE BURNED IS AN PERMANANT ENVIORNMENTAL DISASTER AREA.
That's why the silence is SOOO deafening!
Why are you silent????? Have you been silenced????? Why haven't you dug deeper into this subject????? Are you going to burn in hell "with them"????? Is it worth it?????
When "caused" medical issues are years down the road and therefore can't be proven to be linked to one specific happening: Total silence about the dangers occurs and many people die "miserable deaths" for profits!
Not very green now are they
@@peterdean5300 Quite to the contrary!
Agreed, the full devastation of fires of this type needs to be exposed.
Shocker!! Ev explode/catch fire
All those hybrids extra explosive batteries
Batteries
40 is twice 20???This guy is GOOD!!!
I had a hunch it was a Tesla that caused the fire. But, I tried to give it the benefit of doubt.🤦🏾♂️
I live here and literally had no idea tiis ever happened…/
The "media" have been instructed to ignore this story.
Any lithium batteries
You need to find out why standard automobiles don’t blow up and explode into flames, white lithium, battery controlled electric vehicles, and then report on it instead of being afraid of what the government will say if you point out electrical vehicles explode On a regular basis
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The issue is that NONE of these vehicles should be exported without removal of the HV battery and placement into a sealed and inert gas filled high tensile container. The EU recently changed their rules that batteries will be removed, if possible, if an EV or HEV are involved in a collision or they be placed in special vehicles where inert gases can flood the shipping area. Water will not put out a Lithium fire.
EV, aka Explosive Vanity.
where was the container going?
could you please share how you were able to confirm that the tesla started the fire. source? thank you.
Other videos on YT I've watched in the past indicate that a lot of salvage EV's get shipped over to Ukraine, repaired and sold for dirt cheap, whereas here in the US an EV with salvage are not typically recoverable.
the first car you mentioned, a ford Fusion actually came from Pennsylvania. Look at the window inspection stickers. if this helps
Would you say the battery went hot, went to flame, and the resulting pressure buildup caused the explosion of the container, or some other explanation?
That’s interesting because I have a 09 Silverado hybrid that has the same battery as a regular electric vehicle and it has a circuit breaker that you can use to disconnect it from the vehicle and work on the hybrid part of the system. It’s right on the side of the hi voltage battery under the backseat and I just pop a trim piece off and reach in and remove it just like a breaker in the power box on the house.
These EVs are like finding unexploded ordinance. Very risky being around them. Time bombs, or is it more like Russian roulette with cars instead. Who doesnt like an exciting gamble
… and this is why the EV/Hybrid vehicle craze needs to cease until technology and fire risks are better understood and mitigated! How much worse would this have been if the ship had been at sea?
Great one! Subscribed! Electric vehicles are a pollution menace. Insurance companies total them when they have minimal damaged because nobody knows how to work on them AND they are risky when damaged as presented here. I wish EVs were better because they are fast, but they are a trainwreck.
Also what people forget unless you are in a minority of countries they are a pollution menace just getting the electricity to run them as many countries depend on coal fired electricity which ultimately is less efficient and more emission producing than burning petrol or diesel in a car
Way worse than a carbon foot print
You are the carbon “they” want to eliminate! Wake up.
Electric cars have a far larger carbon footprint. Carbon footprints are green, so there's no reason to care, but what about the BATTERY FOOTPRINT? Highly toxic, impossible to economically recycle. Lithium ion batteries are environmental disasters.
Welcome to the green new deal
Wonder if storing it at an angle in the container shifted water into the wrong place
I wish he would have explained the meanings of the different car titles.
So where as I buy old, damaged cars to restore them, use them, eventually sell them on because I don't want to keep creating new products when the ones we have are still working. Now I will have to risk turning a cargo container into an accidental sudden pressure event and even if it makes it to me intact, still not make money on it and maybe have an accidental high pressure event in my workshop? So.. Cars are over and the car industry is dead and it's killing everything it can along the way? Thanks government, progress is amazing.
More convincing words about the consequences of this bind mending ideology please !
Tesla owners were warned to park their flooded vehicles outside their garages and away from their homes during our recent hurricane season while they were drying out.
Imagine this problem out at sea.
owning an electric car and parking it near your house would lead to sleepless nights
At least that didn't happen on a ship at sea, 500 miles from help.
Once again, your battery placard design is needed for all EVs, bike, scooters, and batteries, new, used, or damaged. It also needs to be adopted as a UN shipping label and not just a North American label.
Go figure all four EV were damaged. Keeping in mind a slight bump or water damage can make them go off like a roman candle days or weeks later. Luckily it didn't go up when the ship was at sea. COntainer ships have gone down on account these death traps.
Not surprised. May be you should import Chinese battery from BYD. It is safe. Well researched and developed.
Gosh! Damaged, salvaged, water damaged EVs! What could go wrong?! 😂
Well, you're on the subject, I would suggest you look into something that I've heard of with Tesla being how you can connect there systems to your phone. I've heard of people that have had teslas or totaled out and run through the insurance company to be destroyed, but only only to find the car reappears on the system overseas months later still in their name and on the road again. i bet that's where these Cars Were going
Were they stolen?
The White car you keep showing as a Tesla Model X is really a tesla Model 3. The Model X is easy to spot, as the front and rear door handles are next to each other, looking like one large handle. It is also hte large Tesla SUV.
The white car is a Model 3, the small Tesla sedan.
Wow inmagin that with everything going on
Whoah
Sounds like to me that these batteries should not be shipped.
Let me see.. it was a "clean" EV.
EV,s SAFE AND EFFECTIVE
Bolts don't even need water to brew up
Ha Ha Ha..not only do Coal cars set themselves on fire, now they also blow up shipping containers?
Shipping companies will refuse to ship them from now on..L o L .!!!!
I’m from Homosassa Springs 🤦♀️ this vehicle was submerged during Hurricane Helene & it should never have gone anywhere at all 🤷♀️ after the hurricane many electric cars exploded & burned down homes as well as whole neighborhoods!