NEW KAYAK!! Is the New Jackson Knarr a Hobie PA14 COPY...!? LET'S FIND OUT!!
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- This week I'm testing the NEW 2022 Jackson Knarr kayak. There's a lot of talk about this new Knarr and people are comparing it to the Hobie PA14. Did Jackson COPY Hobie or is this just an AMAZING NEW KAYAK..? In this video I do a full detailed walk around of the new Knarr kayak and then I put it in the water for a FULL test! LET'S FIND OUT... Tell me what you think down in the comments...!
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Back when I was looking for a peddle drive kayak I was looking into the bonafide p127, Hobie pro angler and outback along with this one. I ended up purchasing the Hobie pro angler 14 360 and honestly after getting my legs accustomed to the drive I have zero complaints with my Hobie. And most places I fish locally are covered in stumps so the maneuverability with the 360 drive can't be beat in my opinion.
So here's the problem I perceive with the pedal drives. One of the first things you learn in regard to riding a bicycle, is your leg should not be fully extended on the downstroke. Any good bike salesman will insist upon adjusting the seat height and making sure your bicycle frame is the correct size to prevent this. I watched you peddle and even though you adjusted the seat to be a comfortable height and distance from the pedal mechanism, your legs, both of them, were each fully extended on the down stroke. If you spend any time or distance riding a bike, you know that this causes real problems. The repetition of this motion after 3 or 4 hours, combined with my body geometry would cause real issues for me. The other thing I seem to pick up on with pedal drives is that when there is full extension of the legs, the seated part of your body, that would be the your butt, tends to shift a bit right or left on every down stroke, engaging the hips and back which I would prefer remain in a stable/neutral position. I have two Hobies, a 13 ft Compass and a 13-ft Revolution. The Mirage drive is just incredible and more like a healing PT workout. I always feel better for it at the end of the day. Also, hard to believe but before I had my total hip replacement, the motion of the Mirage Drive was just about the only thing I could do without pain. By the way, I'm 75 + years old and although I'm always interested in new technology, the peddle motion on this kayak would certainly cause problems for me.
I agree, He looked very uncomfortable and it didn't look like he could peddle in the circular motion that makes biking so efficient. I love peddling a bike but seated with your feet above your hips I find the Hobie peddle stroke much more comfortable.
That is very true I sold my Bonafide P127 5 or 6 hours ham strings screaming turning suck sold it order a PA14
I noticed that as well.
As a road and mtb cyclist, I agree with everything blueeyedjack stated. I also think their pedal drive cycling consultant overlook a couple of fundamental design features. First, the pedals should have an optional toe strap/cage to utilize the full motion pedal efficiency. Second and I think the biggest design flaw of all pedal drive kayak is the seat position for pedaling vs for normal seating during fishing. You need to be reclined like an F1 driver such that most or your body weight is on your lower back so that your gluts and hamstrings are free to cycle. Almost all recumbent bikes are set up this way, otherwise, you just using primarily your quads & hamstrings. The obvious problems is how do you switch between the two positions quickly. You can't IMO since you still need to propel the kayak to maneuver while fishing.
Honestly I’ve tried pedal kayaks and tried to not join the hobie club but nothing beats the mirage drive. It’s so versatile. Plus hobies sell on a used market faster than any other kayak I’m seeing. Cause my current kayak I’m trying to sell has been sitting 😂. I’m going to get a pa12 360 soon here and cannot wait.
do yourself a favor and just get the 14. you wont regret it.
@@MarkFehner would you recommend this for someone 5'4, 145lbs though? I could do with a bigger boat, but going solo 90% of the time, a lighter kayak seems desirable for loading/unloading/storage. I fish/paddle fairly light and minimalistic, as well. A single bag of planos in a bucket, first aid kit and 2 rods normally. So the 14 seems like wasted space, extra weight, and a bigger price tag imo lol. Just trying to think about the stuff I'd even put in all the storage the PA12 offers overwhelms me. I just love the Pro Angler platform. The look, the horizontal rod storage, 360 drive, stability/fishabiliy.
I'm planning to buy pretty soon, trying to get as much input from peeps as possible. I'm just biased to weight saving and compact form factors. With these things considered I'm wondering if the 14 is still the move...
Please factor in the "lugability" factor. PAs are great boats but beasts to move around. Throw some wheels on it and try dragging it around the parking lot. Even better, try top loading it 😱Demo the Revolutions (11' or 13') and Compass. Back injuries spoil the party. Bigger is not always better.
@@Aaron-em5xr consider the Lynx. I’ve had Revo, PA and now Lynx. Not as robust, but definitely more movable
Bro, scoot closer your legs shouldn't be extending that far should they?
No they should not. But did you see me slide the seat as far forward as it would go? 😳 That’s another issue I found with it.
Nice boat, me and the wife have old town 106 pdls and I agree that they all have their pros and cons. Thanks for the video
Seems like your legs are too short and not enough adjustment for the seat/drive :-( Hobie wins for me :-)
I've got a shearwater 125 and got an x-drive this spring. Biggest issue I have with the pedal drives is the space they take up. The more crap you have in your cockpit, the more snag hazards you get, the more stuff you have to fight with when you do land a big angry fish, the less space you have to get organized. Speaking of organization, that knarr doesn't look like it has a whole lot of storage space. Looks like it cooks through the water, but fishing from it looks like it could be somewhat optimized.
I'm coming down from New Jersey (26 hr round trip) to compare both the Knarr and the PA 14 360. Will be in the store on July 15. I'm excited for the road trip. Will be leaving with One or the other.
I already own a 2017 Hobie outback, and vibe shearwater.
This will absolutely be my choice over the PA14. we just got these into our shop but I still need to get my turn on it lol.
Hoping to bring it into the sailfish smackdown, along with 2 hobie outback’s, PA 12, and maybe another guy on the Knarr.
I've never used a Hobie pedal, but I imagine that the way I pedal should be easier, and in the video, I thought that Jackson's pedaling position was wrong, his leg was too straight.
T.J. I love your setup. Although that knarr is fast, with many options. I think you'd give up some stability, for speed.I've seen it demo with the Torqueedo 1103, and she was at 7.2 mph. It also had the Minnkota on her bow. I do love the retractable PDL drive into the hull. But honestly, I prefer my fin drive, it's small, light, easy to teather and store, onboard. And the same with my Bixpy. I love to plug the Deck let the bixpy run, qnd rig, setup, qnd have my coffee. And 3.5 to 4 mph with the bixpy is a perfect speed, especially on a kayak. And the trolling motor on the bow can move you just as well. But when you already have a clean, kayak that we all setup, invest with all our add-on's. It's just a good feeling owning your kayak, and she's already paid for. And we all love new toys to add.. 👍 🙏 😎 🎣
They ought to have a seat that spins 180 degrees so you can turn around easily..
That kind of rotation that you are doing with your knees is totally wrong , Your knees will be hurt in the long run. Your sit is too far apart from the peddle drive.
For the price, Old Town with Autopilot makes more sense. For a few hundred dollars more, you dont have to paddle at all. 😅
I have an outback. I love it. I'm not sure if I'd like the bicycle style drive. Instant reverse would be nice but that's the only advantage I see with them. I do like how you can bring the prop up for shallow water. I like the horizontal rod staging too. I wish the outback had implemented that somehow. It looks like a nice yak though.
Good video as always TJ. I think I will stay with my PA14.
I found that the new Flex drive by Jackson still has too much resistance while peddling. It's more of a work out than a relaxing time on the water. Even your breathing looked heavy by the end of your demo.
Can't wait to get my Knarr!
You’ll be happy with it! It was a great kayak!!
I can hear the drive over the music and your talking. Is it quieter than their previous gen pedals? Lol
It’s nice, but stability is really important to me and I think Old Town beats Jackson in a few areas, including being more stable. Great review though.
Sorry nothing matches the hobie PA14
Good review there 👍 i sold my bigger boat but debating on what to get next. I was thinking of getting a kayak or one of the new sea doo fish pros but because of the chip shortage those are hard to come by .
I had a Ocean Malibu pedal drive, it was ok, but not great for shallow water or if you got grass your dealing with. I now have a PA14 and won't look back. It's hard to beat, and there resale value is unmatched.
Im on verge of buying a hobie PA12 or 14 and keep stopping short because i see people saying the drive is not durable both 180 and 360.
I’ve never had any issues. 👍🏼
Convince them to make that a public ramp 😊
Great Review, i like the layout but the drive system sounds gearish. That whurring sound is not as quiet as my PA12
just my opinion.
Thx
I’ve tried the pa14. But went with the outback due to the weight for the water I fish. In my opinion Hobie has the finest kayaks. I wouldn’t trade it for any other.. great review tho.
Wow I didn’t even notice all the similarities. Hopefully this pushes Hobie to throw in some really cool upgrades to their PA to continue setting the bar
Honestly the only similarity is the fact that it has internal rod storage. The hull is nothing like a pa. The Knarr is 13’9” the pa 13’8”.
That whrrr whrrr whrrr with each rotation… not for me.
Also the red special edition = Ike competitor
I think this knarr is supposed to compete with old town 132 peddle drive. But with jacksons innovation its surpasses them easily. I just dont think its supposed to compare to a PA. Jmho. Its going to take over the peddle drive kayaks. Looks good and i would like to take it out on a demo. But i love my new PA 14
I love my PA too. You need to see the Knarr in person. It’s molded a LOT like the PA14. From a distance they look like the same exact mold. 👍🏼
I’ve tried so many different kayak. I have literally tried everything so I didn’t have to buy an expensive hobie. Well I bought a hobie several years ago and it’s just top of the line. Do yourselves a favor and just go with a hobie. Trust me
You must not have watched any of my recent videos ( the past two years ) 😂
I love my Hobies 🤙🏼
Hi TJ thanks for the informative video, may I ask how tall you are? I’m concerned as I’m vertically challenged at 5ft 6 and noticed there didn’t seem to be enough adjustment on the seat to give you a comfortable peddle, seemed like you were pointing your toes to get the reach required.
I actually noticed that too. I’m 5’9” tall and at the full forward position it still felt a bit far out. 😞
I believe the mirage drive is easier on your legs.. 2017 Hobie Oasis tandem
Your right I wouldn’t trade your Hobie for the Jackson. Or trading it in and getting a PA 360? Hard decision! Your PA is maxed out! I like how you can go a lot swallower with a Hobie, which is the main issue here fishing the 10 thousand island flats that are full of oyster bars on the west coast of Florida.
Very good video, but I’m not liking the bicycle peddle drive. I’ve never tried one, but I like the Mirage drive push, back and forth over bicycle style. Nice looking kayak though.
All other kayak brands are trying to match the Hobie, so if you want to buy the best fishing kayak, buy a Hobie.
That’s an hour from me. I had to sell my kayak and wish I could afford another. Miss my hobie
If it can’t do 360 turn it’s obsolete!
Great vid keep it up, I have a nucanoe unlimited with the pedal drive and love it. And that Jackson does share a lot of similarities with the hobbies.
P.S. I sent you an email about a week ago but haven’t gotten anything back, I’m sure your buried in emails but I just wanted to let you know.
Hey Aiden, thanks man! I didn’t see the email, what’s up?
@@KayakUSA1 I was just asking about building an under-seat drawer for my nucanoe unlimited. I can resend the email if you would like. Thank you.
How would that paddle drive work with two replaced hips? Looks like it’s a work out and the hips may not be able to handle it. That’s where a demo day would help me.
Did Jackson hire a designer from the RV industry. In that industry R & D means rip off the design.
How fast can you go on this kayak?
Can't put a boonedox on knarr what I'm seeing.
Still cannot match the Hobie PA14 360 drive AND their great seat !!! I personally do not like a traditional peddle style, like a bicycle. When you are peddling, your feet want to slide down and its more motion than just the mirage pushing forward peddle drive. Hobie still #1 for me !!!
Sounds pretty noisy, prop looks small... how fast can it go?
Pedal kayaks are like everything else these days, dang to expensive.
As was stated , Jackson does not have enough forward adjustment on the seat for shorter people. Also , other than the pole holder and the front hatch , it has absolutely no relation to a hobie. If you are not reviewing a product that has fins , which is the biggest difference between hobie and pedal drives with props. Then you can clearly say , there is no comparison. These prop drives are all over the market , I own two of them , and an autopilot. I can tell you from years of experience , hobie mirage 360 is by leaps and bounds far the superior product over everything OTHER than my autopilot. Nothing tops that in the world of kayaks.
When the 360's work. They constantly break
@@NOturtle Well I personally love my Autopilot 136 , I can go out for two full 8 hour days and fish without charging the battery. Its about as good a setup anyone could want for sound side. However my wife has a 360. The adjustments on the drive have to be made constantly cause the belts change with the temp. They are very reliable if you keep up with it. Its not as fire and forget type system as say any pedal drive or trolling motor setup. I cant say they always break as much as I can say most people do not keep up with the adjustments.
Save your money and get a used Hobie. Buy low sell high. Resale value is excellent and you don't have to wait long.
Why would I pay more for a pedal kayak when I can buy the Old Town autopilot for cheaper and have spot lock? Think is overpriced imo.
Totally agree.
Because the Hobie is faster and you don’t have to worry about running out of power just making sure you are fit enough for the duration but if you still want you can mount a motor to a Hobie
Autopilot way to go 10/10
It doesn't look like it will work for short folks. Your legs are at full extension even with the seat moved all the way forward. Not any good for me with 29" inseam. Sux to be short. Guns are too long, boats don't fit, and clothes all need to be shortened.
How tall are you ?
5’9” , and I had the seat push all the way forward 😳
Man I wanted to buy this kayak but I’m about 5’7 and I may be to short for it smh
@@KayakUSA1you didn’t have it forward all the way I can see it in the video
@@ryanr6255I’m 5’7 and tested it out today and it fits
I see nothing special for $4100…
its 37 inches wide
No storage. 0/10
Jackson has the worst peddle drive system
Have you tried this updated drive? Aside from the kick up lower, the upper is completely redesigned and works extremely well.
Its a brand new drive. How can you say its the worst!!!
@@briansupermag3918 because I have a big rig that I have gone through two drives and now it’s a land barge. Too big to paddle
@@gatorade2366 is it with the new drive thats been totally redone. Its a new drive system. Or is that what your talking about this new system
@@briansupermag3918 they wouldn’t give me the new drive that’s why I won’t buy another Jackson. They sent me the old drives after spending almost $5000 on the big rig. I finally sold it a couple of months ago to a guy who was going to put a motor on it.
That seating position is way too high for offshore saltwater imo. The drive is still noisy. The peddle position is all wrong, I noticed you slid the seat all the way forward and your legs were still over extended. This will cause knee problems eventually and early fatigue. No side handles. The rod storage tubes need to be resigned or eliminated. Jackson really pooped the bed imho. And then there's the insane asking price. I see they are now putting foam blocks under the deck to keep it from flexing/cracking... really, foam blocks??
The pedaling looks clunky. Not smooth in the video. Gonna take a hard pass. You're leg strokes look ackward and rhythm lacking.
That thing is ugly and expensive !