I live in San Miguel. It’s a beautiful city unlike any place I’ve ever lived. Yes, the rental costs have increased significantly, even Airbnbs were higher than expected when I first landed here. I’m not sure how you define rich, but gentrification happens in the States as much as anywhere else. Many minorities in the States and all over world knows the audacity and entitled attitudes of gentrification. I’m my opinion, it doesn’t matter you go, the attitudes will follow. My philosophy is Explore the world, Live life, Do no harm, take only what you need.
This really speaks to me and I appreciate your candor. I have been going to SMA for almost 10 years and I have observed the waves of changes over that time. SMA is becoming unaffordable in many ways and I could see that likelihood from the beginning. That's why Guanajuato looks so interesting.
I so agree with you about the problems of gentrification and that it is not just foreigners who are gentrifying neighborhoods. I see this happening in La Paz, BCS as well. When we moved here, we came because we wanted to leave the US and learn and grow and experience a different way of living. We love the Mexican people and culture. We love the music and art and food and…THE PEOPLE!! We give a big hug to Mexico and I plan to become a citizen and die as a Mexican. I love Mexico with all of my heart. But we don’t have a lot of friends go and Canadian friends because I always see the attitude they bring here. Many of them are so entitled and arrogant. I want to scream at them, “go back to where you came from” just like the younger Mexicans who are watching their cities change and become unaffordable because we are coming here and changing things. If you want to come, come and accept Mexico as she is. Don’t try to “make Mexico better” because there was nothing wrong with it before you came. Learn the language!! You don’t live in an English speaking country any more! Adopt the customs and traditions, ask questions, learn, shop in your colonia and make your Mexican neighbors your friends, and stop forming “expat” groups. You are not some elevated “expat”. If you live here, you are an immigrant. If you live here part time, you are tourists. Be respectful and stop taking advantage. Thank you Mora. I really love your channel. You say the truth.
Best comment of all !!! Exactly 💯 right about everything and I'm the same way about entitled Expats which ARE Immigrants and the word Expat was made up by Immigrants that don't like to be called Immigrants 🤔 but the word Expat seems to me as entitled foreigners with high expectations and better than others!!! We call ourselves legal Immigrants because that is what we are. Hola from Costa Rica.
@@MoraMargaret I agree with all you have said here. I am still bummed that I wrote a long message to another video of yours earlier today and I ignored the battery dying message 😱 It was a long message! I hope by tomorrow I am over that happening!! 😢 Well, maybe the most important part of the message was I saw 3 or 4 of your videos and then subscribed! ❤
Thx for your honest opinion, but skip shopping at La Comer and instead stop at the many tiendas and fruterías in San Antonio where prices are better and you also support the local economy would be an important difference in your perception.
@@MoraMargaret quite a refreshing and lovely response. Thx! With google translate you can string together a few words and most shop owners will be very happy to see you come in their store regardless. “Con permiso” if you aren’t aware, is a polite way to enter and will set the tone. SMA is expensive but there are wonderful ppl and a rich culture thriving here.
There is no perfect place. I moved to SMA last October and LOVE it. I feel very safe here and I have not witnessed any crime or scary problems. I like the fact that wealthy people come here to visit and to live. They support the town, create many charities and patronize local businesses with their pesos. Also, their homes are very pretty and well kept on the outside. This spot isn't for everyone, even though it appears to be very nicely diversified.. I hope you find your right place and enjoy your Mexico travels.
Yes but those wealthy people pushed the locals out because they made everything expensive for them. It was their home, their country...SMA is beautiful but it was already beautiful and clean before those wealthy people came.
@@karenga11 We can agree to disagree. I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. Econ 101 low supply, high demand drives prices. Unless you are a communist, prices are set by buyers and sellers as whole.
We've been here nearly 3 years. Half our friends are Mexican and our neighborhood is mixed. Yes there is gentrification, but I'd challenge you to identify another city that hasn't experienced that and is desirable to move to. We've moved over 15 times in Canada and the US and gentrification occurred in every place we lived. Less than 10% of the population is an expat living here. There is a lot of tourism and most of it is on the weekends for Mexican weddings. Crime against expats is low here and it is typically purse snatchings and break-ins. We lived in Northern Virginia and in the year before we moved here we knew two people who were murdered in separate incidents. We listened to guns going off in the neighboring property in target practice daily, saw people carrying guns in the grocery store and lived through frequent school lockdowns and police alerts on our phone with suspects on the run nearby. In contrast, there has never been a school shooting in Mexico, the airways are filled with kids laughing, playing, singing and band practice all over town and kids and parents flood the streets daily to and from school. Violence between cartels is prevalent as you said in the state in other towns but it is directed at each other. There aren't typically random shootings of strangers as in the US and if you aren't walking in dodgy neighborhoods at night or dealing drugs you are pretty safe here in San Miguel.
It is the same everywhere when people with lots of money move from where they are to somewhere that is "charming." They then want to change the place and bring all the stuff they had where they were with them, and then the place loses its charm. And worst of all, as you said, the people who have lived there for a long time can no longer afford to do so. I would like to visit SMA one of these days, but I think if I wanted to live in Mexico I'd want to go somewhere where it's easier to connect with the native people of the area and absorb the culture and all that makes it special. Thanks Mora for your interesting and informative videos. I like that you are straight and share from your experience and gut feelings.
Thank you so much for making this video and saying what others won’t. It seems like unless you say SMA is “magical”, you’re ostracized. Thank you again.
Thank you, Mora, for your frank assessment of San Miguel de Allende. I was there in early Sept for only 2 days, but your video mirrors the vibes that I picked up. It must have been, like many other places, phenomenal back in the 1950's up to the 90's. But like everything else in the universe, things are constantly changing. I'm a native Spanish speaker and always felt comfortable in Mexico, but it is amazing in this day and age, how much Mexicans have still retained their friendliness, grace, and culture in difficult economic, social, and political circumstances. The same cannot be said for the US.
People are usually friendly in the the US or Mexico if you actually talk to them face to face without preconceived notions. Perhaps the lack of friendliness you speak of is the American predominate media bias and what you are told rather than what you actually experience? Only speaking for myself of course. As someone who travels; in my opinon Americans are friendly people.
This is so true. I recall during my visits to SMA from years ago that there were very few Spanish speakers. It's akin to the Twilight Zone, with foreigners trying to colonize it in an ugly way.
I’m a permanente resident of SMA for the past 20yrs. I live outside of town on the road to Alcocer. I’ve witnessed many changes since my first visit in ‘78, especially in the last 15 yrs. The influx of many foreigners has had a significant impact on the locals but not to a degree that you suggest. Granted there is crime here as there is everywhere, but fell safer here than in the U SA. Restaurant prices are too high and that is why I eat at home.
Thanks for your video. I visited SMA in March of this year (2024) for the month. One does notice the "Haves and the Have nots" syndrome here, but then just about everywhere in the US has been affected by insane COL increases, so I was expecting that. I was traveling solo, and was encouraged by many women doing the same and met so many delightful people. I found the locals lovely, helpful and inspiring. I, personally, am not drawn to the Centro Historico, but prefer the outlying areas that are more spacious and surrounded by nature. I love the art scene and the food is SO amazing, However, I would only do a nice (rooftop) restaurant once a week- but the small cafes and street vendors are excellent. Like most places, you can seek out those elements you need and for me, SMA is a charming, artistic, vibrant town that (hopefully) will provide me with a 'Soft Landing' for a year or so where I can improve my Spanish language skills. The Ex-pat community has been SO helpful, the B&B I stayed in was SO charming, and I was SO impressed by the kindness of the locals. I'm doing an on-line language course of a school that is located there (Warren Hardy) and love that it stresses how to be respectful of the culture and traditions. For me, San Miguel was a wonderful experience in so many ways- and I am also looking forward to exploring many more towns once I gain more confidence in my language skills. I love that Mexico has something for everyone.
I was in San Miguel last year for Dia de los Muertos. I hadn't been there in 25 years and was shocked at how much it had changed. The locals looked sad, not as friendly, and the shops and restaurants were off the charts beautiful and expensive! It really hit me when I saw a Starbucks just off the Jardin...wow. That made me sad. I brought some of my brothers ashes to spread through the town at his favorite churches and through his old neighborhood where I stayed. He was not able to make it back to his beloved San Miguel before he died, where he lived for roughly 5 years before having to return to the states. Of course it was a blast to be there during the festivities, but the town has been over run by wealthy gringos. I definitely would not live there. Thank you for your report, it was eye opening.
I REALLY appreciate this video and other videos that depict the harsh realities that other travel UA-camrs just don't talk about or bother to learn. We can't improve if we don't know. Thank you.
If you keep focusing on famous places that are easy for English speakers, whether it is Lake Chapala, San Miguel de Allende, you are going to confront the problem of high (and getting higher) prices, unfortunately. I agree that the gentrification is a huge problem. One thing I do is religiously avoid supermarkets, especially those that have a "foreign" products section. I am super surprised that you continue to eschew the produce markets, where you can really save some money. It also is a great way to start practicing your Spanish, as you can learn the names of common foods, herbs, and practice with numbers. Honestly as a person who likes to cook as well, I am flummoxed that you keep going to supermarkets and bemoaning the costs there. The Guadalajara area as a whole gets hot and dusty from April to July or so. I think an area that you and your furry companions would like is Tonalá. A famous potter is there and his studio is marvelous, the town is quaint and affordable still. One last thing... speaking Spanish as much as you can, however painful, will separate you from the aging hipsters, trustafarians, digital nomads, Trumpsters, FIRE folks, and well funded pensioners from the US. I spend a lot of time n Oaxaca and I NEVER see other foreigners because I live in a working class neighborhood where there aren´t brightly colored murals and places that sell hummus and paninis every other block. You are now informed.
I stand informed. Thank you for much of that, although if you're going to judge a person YOU should be informed. Clearly you haven't seen my website where I explain my hesitance to shop in markets, and my more recent success with that. Or my videos on recent travels way off the tourist trail. I find that when people use self-expressions like "super surprised" and "flummoxed" that it's a sneaky way to virtue signal and criticize another in an indirect way. I wouldn't expect you to know everything about me, but if you're going to be the judge shouldn't you be informed? Would love it if you would make a video so I could see what's wrong with you ;) Thanks for the tips on Tonala and speaking Spanish. I do like a challenging comment on occasion.
Sorry if I struck a nerve, and I just stumbled across the single video, hadn't gone through your others. I do not not see my comment as being overly judgemental, harsh or vulgar. All of us will have our opinions, no? I will give some thought to my tone in the future. Bravo for getting off the tourist trail, and I will leave it at that.
Thank you. If you care: there is a post below in the comments which essentially said the same thing about the shopping. My reaction to him was completely different because he was direct and without judgement. I appreciate your comment really, just a little touchy about my shyness in the market.
@@MaryGwenDungan I doubt my presence in a local neighborhood will make a difference. as no one would mistake me for a gringo and I conduct my affairs in Spanish. I fit in, to put it in simple terms. It is truly a modest neighborhood, with unpaved roads in some places and a somewhat rough around the edges reputation. If @MoraMargaret took issue with my post, fine, but who are you? Some Jenny-come-lately doofus trying to pile on can take a long walk on a short pier. Also: you may not have noticed, but EVERYONE is passing judgements, especially in videos like these! Just be fair in your assessment.
Your videos are so helpful. I have my residency but I can’t decide on which city. Guanajuato and SMA are my faves so far but I will consider your thoughts on SMA.
sma is more foody place and american environment, guanajuato is more european with mexican mix and still virgin of americans so english is not well spoken there
Your videos are very informative and I enjoy your rational perspective. What’s going on in SMA is a tale that can be spoken about so many places. Santa Fe, NM comes to mind. I lived in Taos for 35 years and visited SF often. It was not possible to live in northern NM and not notice the transformation by the wealth class that was taking place in SF. It’s hard to blame them for wanting to live someplace that is beautiful and culturally rich. SF is culturally rich and wealthy people have been attracted to it for the same reasons they are attracted to SMA…it’s beautiful, it’s historic, it’s full of artists and craftsmen and music and good food, etc. The down side is as you say…they move in, drive up the value of the real estate market and drive out the local demographic. And they believe they are doing the local economy a favor by providing service jobs to the locals…who must commute from other towns bc they can no longer afford to live where they once called home. I see the parallel between SMA and SF. Thankfully, there are so many other places in Mexico that have not yet been over run by wealthy gringos. I look forward to your future videos as you explore Mexico. Good luck on your adventure.
I really appreciated your perspective. Most of the videos make SMA sound like paradise. I have been pushed out of San Francisco, CA, my hometown, and now being pushed out of Oakland, CA for the same reasond - gentrification. I am really drawn to SMA because I am a writer and artist. Thanks again.
So you can see from both angles. Yes, it's a beautiful town full of beautiful buildings (I get the feeling the artists have been pushed out by the gentrification), AND the locals are being forced out of their own neighborhoods. I'm sorry about California, I had the same kind of experience.
Come and experience it for yourself. Almost all my foreign friends here are far from wealthy. Most rent reasonably priced apartments or homes near centro. Most seldom eat out at the hundreds of high end restaurants in town or shop at the high end stores and boutiques. Almost all are creative people who are involved in the visual arts, music, writing, dance…you name it. You can certainly live a very good life here on the cheap. Little mom and pop eateries abound in every neighborhood where you can fill up on tasty food for a few bucks. Little stores sell fresh fruits , veggies and sundries at low prices and there are large markets and a fantastic flea market that takes place twice a week. Best place to shop on a budget for sure. Ive never witnessed a crime here, nor do I hear of it any more than any of the many other places Ive lived. I feel as safe here as anywhere. If you suffer from wealth envy, then you could feel resentful i guess, but if not, you’ll love it here. Oh and theres so much happening in this town ALL the time and tons of it is FREE!
@MariDreamwalker in MY opinion gentrificaccion is in every corner of the world. Here in SMA, it is more palpable because of the extremes in wealth and the attitude. If you want to be near hundreds of writers and artists, SMA is the place. Every other person here is either a writer or an artist or both. Mexico has many beautiful cities and towns. But if you don't plan on speaking Spanish and you want to be surrounded by other Canadians, Americans, or other expats, then a place like SMA is for you. I've heard and read that Ajijic and Huatalco, among others, also have a healthy population of expats where English is not 100% required. Mexico has something for everyone.
I strongly appreciate your view on the difficulties and problems, the "negatives" of San Miguel de Allende and other communities in MX, as I would rather understand the negatives over the positives of visiting and living in such areas. Thank you!
Thank you so much for your honest perspective. I’m currently in the process of leaving this country and Mexico was high on my list with San Miguel de Allande definitely a place I was considering because of all the videos that glamorize it. It’s good to hear the other side because everything has another side.
I lived in SMA for 6 mo. I totally agree with you. 20,000 entitled expats is never a good thing. I moved on to PV which is larger but many expats also.
@@MoraMargaret I’m looking forward to your insights about that area. I know someone that grew up there and just came back from a visit. She goes regularly. And she and her mother still own a home there but live primarily in central Florida near me.
As I’ve said to others in the past, “A raggedy truth beats a dressed-up lie any day,” in my thinking. I always prefer it, and with true information, I can decide how I want to mitigate risk. I know of a group of women who live there and they encourage others to visit, so I might go, but under the circumstances, I’d likely prefer more down-to-earth amenities and the people they’d attract. Thanks!
Interesting coincidences of life paths. I was born and lived in Oregon my entire life prior to leaving to teach in SMA 16 years ago...and have been there since, while also going back to Oregon regularly. In the beginning, one could drive in Centro; not anywmore. Alot has shifted there, however, the real crime is not on the streets. It is hidden beneath the surface in the lack of justice within the departments, and the fact that there is little justice for a gringa(o) within the legal system. What is the point of discussing crime when the legal system itself is corrupt? With the construction of an airport north of town, new construction going in without safe road access, it is rapidly expanding to accommodate all who arrive. There were still campesinos with burros in Centro when I arrived, now no more. The one thing though that SMA has which is essential to me is the access to quantities of organic locally grown fruits and vegetables and foods which are non-gluten, non-dairy and at a price which , which increasing, is still more affordable than the US. Plus, there is nowhere in the US that I know which has the infrastructure to access local produce and food the same as SMA. That is the current status of SMA and a good reason to be there. The scales are tipping. But, just like a gordita, which is really made to stuff with deliciious contents inside, not as a flat tortilla, the essential thing is to look on the inside, of both gorditas as well as the justice of a community. Buen Suerte
Thanks for your thoughtful comment. There are serious pros and cons, and these are to be considered, especially when thinking about a permanent relocation, or buying a property. It sounds as though you've had some experience with the justice system here? I hope you still love where you live!
Have you been to Comala in Colima State? just about 2-1/2 hours south of Guadalajara? we were there a few years ago and love that town i wonder how it is now...
I don't think you are over reacting. Totally agree, San Miguel has become unaffordable for most mexicans and it's sad. We are struggling with the same issue in Mexico City since the pandemic. Gentrification is out of control. Neighborhoods such as Condesa, Roma and Escandón, have raised their housing prices for foreigners so much, that locals have been displaced. I'm not against Americans moving to Mexico, yet I do think our government has to set rules to fight and avoid gentrification. It is just not fair. Love your blogs BTW.
I have been here 11 years. I NEVER heard the term 'gringo gulch' other than in a different video 6 months ago. So, to be clear, I have never heard that here. Everywhere I go here I see and feel others like me navigaying this amazing place in middle income. I read a stat that says that a person is more likely to be a part of a violent crimes in the US than here. Yes, Celaya (seh/LI/yah) is close, as are a few kther more dangerous Guanajyato, and yes we stay away. If she is moving to Lake Chapala, which I have heard reference to as 'boring' I hope that works for her. By the way, the evening, the Centro area they she reference to as Gringo😅 Gulch (?) is almost ALL local and other middle class Mexicans. Same on the buses where I am almost always the only ex-pat. I can't afford rent (and other things) in the US, yet am working my own things out here in amazing SMA.
Come to Houston. I live a neighborhood houses cost $400 thousand to 650 thousand. Got car jacked at gun point. People get shot driving home for making a mistake. Good luck finding a crime free place in USA or Mexico.
Uuuggg. Sounds awful. I'd get out of there if I were you. Despite high crime in the cities, the FBI says violent crime in the U.S. is way down, overall.
Thank you for making this video. Everything you say is true. I’m poor and live in Manhattan. I’m not resentful that I don’t have as much as those who are better off than me. But it is painful to have basic needs not met from time to time and it always pains me to see people dying on the streets in my neighborhood. I loved living in San Miguel many years ago and I think I would love living there now. This morning, I woke up and thought that my ideal place to live would be Sweden. Overview of Sweden The Kingdom of Sweden, flanked by Norway to the west and the Baltic Sea to the east, expands across much of the Scandinavian Peninsula and is one of the largest countries in the European Union by land mass. Capital city Stockholm was founded in the 13th century, and border disputes through the Middle Ages established the modern-day nation. Despite its militaristic roots, Sweden has remained neutral in times of war for centuries. Instead, commitment to human rights, public service and sustainability have helped to make it a respected leader in international affairs. Sweden operates under a model similar to those of other Nordic nations: heavily capitalistic with a large percent of spending going toward public service. Once well above the global average, tax rates have decreased, and an advanced infrastructure and transportation network assist with equal wealth distribution. Health care, as well as a college education, are free, and its people boast one of the longest life expectancies in the world. Almost all of Sweden's trash is recycled. Swedes are some of the world’s most generous people, donating about 1 percent of gross national product to humanitarian aid programs each year. The society has continued to diversify, due in part to refugees who have been welcomed into Swedish borders. As a parliamentary democracy, representatives elected to parliament, called the Riksdag, lead the nation with a monarch as a ceremonious head of state. Sweden joined the European Union in 1995, but declined to convert to the eurozone currency after a public vote in 2003. However, Sweden's export-dependent economy is tightly integrated with the European Union. Both took a tumble with the recent decline of the euro, but Sweden is seeing steady recovery and seeking to expand trade markets for its timber, hydropower and iron ore. Sweden is an Enhanced Opportunities Partner of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It is also a member of the United Nations, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and the World Trade Organization, among others.
I’ve never been to Sweden but I’m sure it’s beautiful. Have you seen videos by the woman Jonna Jinton in Sweden? Love them! ua-cam.com/video/3zTR4ayDG38/v-deo.html
Hi, I’ve enjoyed your videos! Do ypu happen to know anything about the Georgetown Compound? It’s an artist’s group in San Miguel de Allende. I’ve rented a loft from them from Jan 2025-Match 2025. Just wondering if you’ve heard anything about it.
I'm located in Centro, Merida, Yucatan. While it is easy to blame "expats", etc, Mexicans, not immigrants from the north, are buying 90 percent of properties in Merida, Yucatan.
Right on point! Many Mexicans left for better opportunities in the 🇺🇸 years ago. Now we’re ready to come back and find ourselves unable to afford the astronomical housing prices. I am now thinking of moving to Spain which is a beautiful country and way more affordable than Mexico. Great video, thanks for the insight, good luck in your endeavors 👍
I am a Dutch citizen living in Mexico for many years and I can easily move back to Europe. But I have my 3 french bulldogs and it makes it very hard to move to Spain which I love. But housing is only affordable inland close to the coast it is very expensive. 15% closing cost on a house purchase. Not easy for a non EU citizen to move to Spain. Many Spanish people are complaining on all the "foreigners" buying into their country making housing unaffordable. Even the Canarian Islands want to ban foreigners (even other EU citizens) go figure. It is starting already in Barcelona, Malaga, Valencia.....
@@cmkenterprise yeah, I’ve heard about all the backlash against foreigners. Rent is still reasonable, though, when compared to California prices (>3000/month). I am having 2nd thoughts because of that. I wanted to live there just a few years. My ultimate and final retiring place is still Mexico because it’s the country I was born in and I love Mexican culture, naturally. Good luck to you and I hope you’re enjoying life in 🇲🇽
Wow for once an expat who doesnt praise living in Mexico to the sky! But gives an honest critique of the social or economic aspect of a large wealthy expat community in San Miguel.
It was really nice back in the early 70's. I used to stay there whenever I took buses exploring Mexico. Mexico was way more safe back in those days. SMA was way more funky and laid back in those days with lots of expat writers and artists from the USA and Europe. .
@@MoraMargaret Mexico was almost comically more affordable back in the early 70's. I mean it was just amazing. I was a farm kid from Boulder County in Colorado and I stayed in Mexico for eight months on just $2000.00. I took buses and trains from north to south and east to west. I even flew from Mexico City to Acapulco for dirt cheap. Folks were just so friendly and generous wherever I went it was unforgetable how wonderful it was back in the day. It was a magical place for sure.
I agree with your assessment. For myself, I left my hometown of Bend, Oregon in 2016. I had to work through my resentments due to wealthy people moving in and making housing unaffordable for the locals. We also had to get permits to go hiking in our homelands!! It's so strange... and it's happening everywhere. We then move for affordability and oftentimes contribute to gentrification elsewhere. Great content and I thank you for your honesty.
Thanks for your comment. I've had the same experience. Moving from California to Oregon I got a taste of that resentment, and like you said, it's happening everywhere.
@@MoraMargaret I left Austin Texas after 40 years because of the Gentrification from California and more... Mexico is a great change however I understand the Mexicanos' frustration...🍀
@@MoraMargaret Sorry you encountered resentment. 😥 I only discussed my issues with my friends. I understand needing or wanting to move to another area. ¡¡Cuídate!!
I’ve lived here in Mexico so long that I don’t know if the dollar prices for the items you bought at La Comer seem high or low to an American. As somebody on a fixed income, they seem quite high to me.
I just googled they said there is no jet airport but there is service from a line from Queretero. So maybe the plan fell thru. I know that Queretero is not next door so you would still need to take a bus or rent a car to get to San Miguel.
I appreciate your comments. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking for a more low-key place, so while I might enjoy a short visit to SMA I don't think it would feel like home.
I just found you. Your view is refreshing and realistic. Your music and pictures are pleasant and beautiful. I would like to know where you will settle. I am also searching from a far, Denver. Wish you the best!
You are correct to feel uncomfortable in SMA. The city has 2 extremes, the very wealthy and those that are struggling day to day. Most expats are in one way or another trying to give back to the community. Then you have those that charge $50 mxn for an hour of zumba in a public park or charge you $200 mxn to teach you two spanish songs in one hour, now this might be reasonable back in Canada or the States, but in a country where most work for the minimum wage of $234 mxn a DAY! Wanting to earn $2,000 mxn in an hour seems very greety. But more importantly it alienates the locals who can not afford those services, and thus resentment is born!
Great information. Awesome photography. I appreciate the message -- most of the guides say its awesome but still kind of portray it as an artists hangout. So, I'm not surprieed at your take. Too bad. Beautiful house. best regards
SMA is very nice to visit, but many shops and many airbnbs were very expensive for us even though we've "done well." I don't think travelers and potential expats are stupid. They think Mexico is inexpensive as much of it is. They just don't realize maybe this town is becoming the Monaco of Mexico.
Great truth sharing. I was pushed out of my hometown Victoria and then vancouver... Many neighborhoods don't even have English signage. My neighbors were mostly Chinese and only lived there occasionally. Crazy
SMA is a great place to be, but it is absolutely a higher end experience that is not suitable for low income expats. Some people have definitely been priced out, expats and locals alike. It's the nature of the beast. I can assure you that the vast majority of wealth influx into SMA is from Mexican upper middle class and above citizens, not expats. You can walk the entire town any day of the week any season and most of the time not hear 10 words of english or anything else except Español. Further, I would say the majority of the expats we meet here are "lower class" and many of the established ones have been here a long time which enables them to stay. All the realities of people living with people in close proximity happen here in SMA as well. Overall, I'd say we feel 3x as safe here as in any highly urban area in the US and about the same as a comparable place in Europe. Violence and random crime against property happens everywhere including here. Not perfect but really good.
I've been to san migal & I agree with your video. Most people think or act as if the things u said aren't there. They are..nothing wrong with another opinion
I found your video while doing preliminary research on SMA. What you say makes a great deal of sense? As careful as you seem to be, I’m curious where you’re moving to next? Best wishes.
Thought provoking, thanks for your perspective. Goethe, or perhaps it was Schiller, had the saying, "Whoever would have freedom, must earn it each day new." That's truly what's needed in our times too !
Si!!! Agree with you. Have been arount those places you list. This is business as usual all over Mexico and many places around. I would like to call it PlanetTrification and started centuries ago with Conquerors landing in other lands with different status quo. Gentrification is an ancient activity!! And it is alive and well all over this planet. Gracias for your input! Saludos!
@@MoraMargaret Muy amable tu comentario. The "grass is always greener over there" is an ancient concept that triggers all this motions. "The course of the traveler". Enjoy your stay in México..and the Planet as well"" Life is good!
I agree with your sentiments and Bob Bailey's words (in your intro para). To me, SMA feels like Gringolandia. It's difficult to find Mexicans who live there. Locals have been priced out and pushed to distant suburbs. Portugal has experienced the same phenomena in many areas because of foreigners buying property and causing prices to skyrocket. SMA has great art but I just don't like it. It feels like a movie set, rather than the genuine article. You're also correct about a visitor having a different experience than a temporary resident. You're smart to test drive different parts of Mexico, and I hope you'll find one where you can enjoy and learn the culture and feel the perfect vibes. You've got time to experiment!
Where r u from? I have to bring 3 tiny doggies w me and I'm having a hell of a time .. best I cam find is alaska air into guadalajara then hire a shuttle to get to Guanajuanto? ... their the only airline that I can get 2 carriers in cabin and all 3 dogs in cabin!
Thank you for your video. I lived in beautiful and magic San Miguel for 6 months without any problem. There are many positive things to consider aboutt the "rich people" that come to live here full time or part time. I know the sad situation of the town Celaya, that never is going to happened in San Miguel for several reasons. With alll my respect, I think you are overreacting.😉
Why would anyone be offended by respectful yet critical comments about a place? Every Mexican who knows San Miguel knows it to be a pretty little place where posh people live ("es para los fresas", to use the Mexican slang). This idea that we're only meant to give unreserved praise is why the internet is dominated by one-sided opinions when it comes to travel and living abroad videos. I've enjoyed visiting San Miguel but I wouldn't want to live there, more or less for the reasons provided in this video.
I visited SMA with my Mexican boyfriend last winter and everything you say rings true. He was weirded out asking for directions at a real estate agency (we had just arrived and didn’t realize was for wealthy foreigners) where nobody spoke Spanish. We thought it was gorgeous and pretty much for people with quite a budget! We had the most delicious food at a local market sitting on stools w local people but my feelings were also that it wasn’t quite right….
The news this week in Puerto Vallarta was also somewhat shocking...after just having arrived. Gentrification, rising costs of living here have just named PV the most expensive city to live in in all of Latin America. Our rent in the boonies is affordable, the utilities, too. Shopping as a local is saving us. Once we need something that cannot be bought out here, I find that prices are completely off the charts. Even to the point of being ripped off by taxi drivers to get to the "CITY"...I tip, but it seems like foreigners are automatically expected to be big tippers! Looking at me like, "really?" Not all foreigners are wealthy, but hoping & trying to learn the culture, the language and fit in. I'm already wondering if this area is the place for us to call home.
Thank you for your candid video. I have lived in Mexico before and am considering moving back. However, it would not be SMA. Since I speak Spanish well, I have no need to bearound expats in a town where you don't need to learn the local language. I am also very bothered by the extreme gentrification. .
i would love some idea of what you mean by rich, middle income, low income for that area. i am just guessing. that would help me understand. thank you!
Thank for addressing a question I tried asking elsewhere. It seems like the places I've researched fit one extreme or another, but nothing for those of us in the middle.
I don't want you to feel complacent or let down your guard while traveling. I will tell you that your dogs provide you with just a bit more security, company, love, and possibly a little protection that the average traveler doesn't have. You shouldn't rely on them as your safety net, but they are great companions. Remember that when you run into inconvenience traveling with pups. Always trust your gut and instincts and act quickly when you feel uncomfortable. Stay safe!
Mora I couldn’t agree more - If I remember correctly there was a song in the 70’s I believe from the Eagles that included a line “once you call a place paradise it’s over”.
Thank you for your honesty! Gentrification poses such a conundrum. My area of where I live in the US is experiencing extreme gentrification. What is the answer? I don't want to be that ugly American gentrifier (I do speak Spanish well enough and have lived in Latin America before), but my neighborhood is quickly becoming unaffordable. Not looking for answers, just here to comment and again, to say thanks.
Thank you for your videos. I appreciate what you do. Although I am well off, I really don’t want to live under those conditions where I find myself being the bad guy. I’m moving from Querétaro soon because I’m not wanted here. The people are pushing me out just because I m well off.
We sat on our patio near St Helena Ca and discussed gentrification in Quetero just like what has happened in NapaValley. Too many hyper wealthy drawn to the area. I'm surrounded by empty second homes while locals live is sheds and shacks.
I’m sorry to hear that. You have a perspective I have not really heard before. If you want to talk about it please write me an email: Mora@MoraMargaret.com
I think San Miguel Allende is one of thoe places that it is beautiful, but has been found by expats and tourism ;for a long time...;there are other places in mexico.Though I hear San Miguel Allende is safe ?
I went there last winter because San Miguel gets so much attention from Americans. Personally I was majorly disappointed. Yes I noticed the two levels of people. As she said, it is in your face! But that’s not what I didn’t like about it really. The streets were horrible. I didn’t see anything interesting. I left after 2 days there, and avoided any places expats crowd to after that. For everyone exploring possible destinations on UA-cam. You need to be aware of a couple things. First of all, somebody honest like this lady, won’t get as many views on her videos probably as the videos that tell you the place is heaven on earth. Second. Most people making videos, didn’t drive there. They don’t have a car, they fly into the country then take public transportation after that. If you drive into Mexico, it’s a whole different world and experiences. Finding parking at the hot spots is almost impossible.
I visited friends who moved there maybe 10 years ago. I did not like the vibe there and thought that the problem was with folks from the US. Expectations that everything should be cheap, too many people there cause booze is cheap. But we were at a large plaza there where we went for a large art show. The military showed up with full face coverage, all dressed in black uniforms with automatic weapons and shiny black pickup trucks where the soldiers stood with weapons. It was a peaceful gathering, children running around, a lovely day and then this intimidation. That was it for me. It was as if the police/military are at war with their own people. I’m taking my last stand in my own country.
Thank you! Very informative. It won't happen, but there should be a legal limit on how much land and how many homes a person (or corporation) can own. Every city now has many homes and apartments which sit empty most, if not all, of the time, owned by wealthy people (including wealthy criminals), often as investments (to make even more money that they don't need,) and all of this has a negative domino effect on everyone downstream of them.
I thought Potzcuaro was lovely, but it was, in the 90s and it was a resort area for Mexicans. They did not speak English and my Spanish was limited. I like to have some expatriots around to hang out with.
Thanks for your take on SMA! It’s one place in Mexico I haven’t been to but on my list to visit. One reason that is not high on my list is I prefer places where I’m experiencing local Mexican life instead of being surrounded by foreigners especially from the US.
Were you able to see the last screen in the video with prices? It only shows for 5 seconds so you have to pause the video to really see it. I will get you the link for the airbnb.
I live in San Miguel. It’s a beautiful city unlike any place I’ve ever lived. Yes, the rental costs have increased significantly, even Airbnbs were higher than expected when I first landed here. I’m not sure how you define rich, but gentrification happens in the States as much as anywhere else. Many minorities in the States and all over world knows the audacity and entitled attitudes of gentrification. I’m my opinion, it doesn’t matter you go, the attitudes will follow. My philosophy is Explore the world, Live life, Do no harm, take only what you need.
This really speaks to me and I appreciate your candor. I have been going to SMA for almost 10 years and I have observed the waves of changes over that time. SMA is becoming unaffordable in many ways and I could see that likelihood from the beginning. That's why Guanajuato looks so interesting.
I so agree with you about the problems of gentrification and that it is not just foreigners who are gentrifying neighborhoods. I see this happening in La Paz, BCS as well. When we moved here, we came because we wanted to leave the US and learn and grow and experience a different way of living. We love the Mexican people and culture. We love the music and art and food and…THE PEOPLE!! We give a big hug to Mexico and I plan to become a citizen and die as a Mexican. I love Mexico with all of my heart. But we don’t have a lot of friends go and Canadian friends because I always see the attitude they bring here. Many of them are so entitled and arrogant. I want to scream at them, “go back to where you came from” just like the younger Mexicans who are watching their cities change and become unaffordable because we are coming here and changing things. If you want to come, come and accept Mexico as she is. Don’t try to “make Mexico better” because there was nothing wrong with it before you came. Learn the language!! You don’t live in an English speaking country any more! Adopt the customs and traditions, ask questions, learn, shop in your colonia and make your Mexican neighbors your friends, and stop forming “expat” groups. You are not some elevated “expat”. If you live here, you are an immigrant. If you live here part time, you are tourists. Be respectful and stop taking advantage. Thank you Mora. I really love your channel. You say the truth.
Thank you 🙏
Brava! Well said.
Best comment of all !!! Exactly 💯 right about everything and I'm the same way about entitled Expats which ARE Immigrants and the word Expat was made up by Immigrants that don't like to be called Immigrants 🤔 but the word Expat seems to me as entitled foreigners with high expectations and better than others!!! We call ourselves legal Immigrants because that is what we are. Hola from Costa Rica.
@@sandrabedard7848 👏👏"Expat [is a word[ made up my immigrants [who] don't like to be called immigrants". Well said!
@@MoraMargaret
I agree with all you have said here. I am still bummed that I wrote a long message to another video of yours earlier today and I ignored the battery dying message 😱 It was a long message! I hope by tomorrow I am over that happening!! 😢 Well, maybe the most important part of the message was I saw 3 or 4 of your videos and then subscribed! ❤
Thx for your honest opinion, but skip shopping at La Comer and instead stop at the many tiendas and fruterías in San Antonio where prices are better and you also support the local economy would be an important difference in your perception.
You are so right! Besides getting better at speaking Spanish, that’s something I really need to improve on.
@@MoraMargaret quite a refreshing and lovely response. Thx!
With google translate you can string together a few words and most shop owners will be very happy to see you come in their store regardless. “Con permiso” if you aren’t aware, is a polite way to enter and will set the tone.
SMA is expensive but there are wonderful ppl and a rich culture thriving here.
@@MoraMargaretmaybe even offering service for injections and basic medical advice en la vecindad
There is no perfect place. I moved to SMA last October and LOVE it. I feel very safe here and I have not witnessed any crime or scary problems. I like the fact that wealthy people come here to visit and to live. They support the town, create many charities and patronize local businesses with their pesos. Also, their homes are very pretty and well kept on the outside. This spot isn't for everyone, even though it appears to be very nicely diversified.. I hope you find your right place and enjoy your Mexico travels.
Thank you, I'm glad you like it there!
Yes but those wealthy people pushed the locals out because they made everything expensive for them. It was their home, their country...SMA is beautiful but it was already beautiful and clean before those wealthy people came.
@@Paxevo I disagree...there's so much more behind it but we can agree to disagree
@@karenga11 We can agree to disagree. I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. Econ 101 low supply, high demand drives prices. Unless you are a communist, prices are set by buyers and sellers as whole.
We've been here nearly 3 years. Half our friends are Mexican and our neighborhood is mixed. Yes there is gentrification, but I'd challenge you to identify another city that hasn't experienced that and is desirable to move to. We've moved over 15 times in Canada and the US and gentrification occurred in every place we lived. Less than 10% of the population is an expat living here. There is a lot of tourism and most of it is on the weekends for Mexican weddings. Crime against expats is low here and it is typically purse snatchings and break-ins. We lived in Northern Virginia and in the year before we moved here we knew two people who were murdered in separate incidents. We listened to guns going off in the neighboring property in target practice daily, saw people carrying guns in the grocery store and lived through frequent school lockdowns and police alerts on our phone with suspects on the run nearby. In contrast, there has never been a school shooting in Mexico, the airways are filled with kids laughing, playing, singing and band practice all over town and kids and parents flood the streets daily to and from school. Violence between cartels is prevalent as you said in the state in other towns but it is directed at each other. There aren't typically random shootings of strangers as in the US and if you aren't walking in dodgy neighborhoods at night or dealing drugs you are pretty safe here in San Miguel.
It is the same everywhere when people with lots of money move from where they are to somewhere that is "charming." They then want to change the place and bring all the stuff they had where they were with them, and then the place loses its charm. And worst of all, as you said, the people who have lived there for a long time can no longer afford to do so. I would like to visit SMA one of these days, but I think if I wanted to live in Mexico I'd want to go somewhere where it's easier to connect with the native people of the area and absorb the culture and all that makes it special. Thanks Mora for your interesting and informative videos. I like that you are straight and share from your experience and gut feelings.
Thank you so much for making this video and saying what others won’t. It seems like unless you say SMA is “magical”, you’re ostracized. Thank you again.
I’ve gotten the same reaction by some people (see comments below). it is beautiful, but it also has issues. Thanks for your comment!
Thank you, Mora, for your frank assessment of San Miguel de Allende. I was there in early Sept for only 2 days, but your video mirrors the vibes that I picked up. It must have been, like many other places, phenomenal back in the 1950's up to the 90's. But like everything else in the universe, things are constantly changing. I'm a native Spanish speaker and always felt comfortable in Mexico, but it is amazing in this day and age, how much Mexicans have still retained their friendliness, grace, and culture in difficult economic, social, and political circumstances. The same cannot be said for the US.
I agree and it's one of the reasons I'm here. Thanks for watching and your comment :)
People are usually friendly in the the US or Mexico if you actually talk to them face to face without preconceived notions. Perhaps the lack of friendliness you speak of is the American predominate media bias and what you are told rather than what you actually experience?
Only speaking for myself of course. As someone who travels; in my opinon Americans are friendly people.
This is so true. I recall during my visits to SMA from years ago that there were very few Spanish speakers. It's akin to the Twilight Zone, with foreigners trying to colonize it in an ugly way.
I really appreciate your assessment. Thank you.
I’m a permanente resident of SMA for the past 20yrs. I live outside of town on the road to Alcocer. I’ve witnessed many changes since my first visit in ‘78, especially in the last 15 yrs. The influx of many foreigners has had a significant impact on the locals but not to a degree that you suggest. Granted there is crime here as there is everywhere, but fell safer here than in the U SA. Restaurant prices are too high and that is why I eat at home.
It sounds like you’ve been here a long time. Thank you for your perspective!
Thanks for your video. I visited SMA in March of this year (2024) for the month. One does notice the "Haves and the Have nots" syndrome here, but then just about everywhere in the US has been affected by insane COL increases, so I was expecting that. I was traveling solo, and was encouraged by many women doing the same and met so many delightful people. I found the locals lovely, helpful and inspiring. I, personally, am not drawn to the Centro Historico, but prefer the outlying areas that are more spacious and surrounded by nature. I love the art scene and the food is SO amazing, However, I would only do a nice (rooftop) restaurant once a week- but the small cafes and street vendors are excellent. Like most places, you can seek out those elements you need and for me, SMA is a charming, artistic, vibrant town that (hopefully) will provide me with a 'Soft Landing' for a year or so where I can improve my Spanish language skills. The Ex-pat community has been SO helpful, the B&B I stayed in was SO charming, and I was SO impressed by the kindness of the locals. I'm doing an on-line language course of a school that is located there (Warren Hardy) and love that it stresses how to be respectful of the culture and traditions. For me, San Miguel was a wonderful experience in so many ways- and I am also looking forward to exploring many more towns once I gain more confidence in my language skills. I love that Mexico has something for everyone.
Me too! I'm so glad you had a great experience!
I was in San Miguel last year for Dia de los Muertos. I hadn't been there in 25 years and was shocked at how much it had changed. The locals looked sad, not as friendly, and the shops and restaurants were off the charts beautiful and expensive! It really hit me when I saw a Starbucks just off the Jardin...wow. That made me sad.
I brought some of my brothers ashes to spread through the town at his favorite churches and through his old neighborhood where I stayed. He was not able to make it back to his beloved San Miguel before he died, where he lived for roughly 5 years before having to return to the states. Of course it was a blast to be there during the festivities, but the town has been over run by wealthy gringos. I definitely would not live there. Thank you for your report, it was eye opening.
I REALLY appreciate this video and other videos that depict the harsh realities that other travel UA-camrs just don't talk about or bother to learn. We can't improve if we don't know. Thank you.
Thank you, I appreciate your comment.
So true!
I appreciate this information very much. Thank you.👍❤️
If you keep focusing on famous places that are easy for English speakers, whether it is Lake Chapala, San Miguel de Allende, you are going to confront the problem of high (and getting higher) prices, unfortunately. I agree that the gentrification is a huge problem. One thing I do is religiously avoid supermarkets, especially those that have a "foreign" products section. I am super surprised that you continue to eschew the produce markets, where you can really save some money. It also is a great way to start practicing your Spanish, as you can learn the names of common foods, herbs, and practice with numbers. Honestly as a person who likes to cook as well, I am flummoxed that you keep going to supermarkets and bemoaning the costs there.
The Guadalajara area as a whole gets hot and dusty from April to July or so. I think an area that you and your furry companions would like is Tonalá. A famous potter is there and his studio is marvelous, the town is quaint and affordable still.
One last thing... speaking Spanish as much as you can, however painful, will separate you from the aging hipsters, trustafarians, digital nomads, Trumpsters, FIRE folks, and well funded pensioners from the US. I spend a lot of time n Oaxaca and I NEVER see other foreigners because I live in a working class neighborhood where there aren´t brightly colored murals and places that sell hummus and paninis every other block. You are now informed.
I stand informed. Thank you for much of that, although if you're going to judge a person YOU should be informed. Clearly you haven't seen my website where I explain my hesitance to shop in markets, and my more recent success with that. Or my videos on recent travels way off the tourist trail. I find that when people use self-expressions like "super surprised" and "flummoxed" that it's a sneaky way to virtue signal and criticize another in an indirect way. I wouldn't expect you to know everything about me, but if you're going to be the judge shouldn't you be informed?
Would love it if you would make a video so I could see what's wrong with you ;)
Thanks for the tips on Tonala and speaking Spanish. I do like a challenging comment on occasion.
Sorry if I struck a nerve, and I just stumbled across the single video, hadn't gone through your others. I do not not see my comment as being overly judgemental, harsh or vulgar. All of us will have our opinions, no? I will give some thought to my tone in the future. Bravo for getting off the tourist trail, and I will leave it at that.
Thank you. If you care: there is a post below in the comments which essentially said the same thing about the shopping. My reaction to him was completely different because he was direct and without judgement. I appreciate your comment really, just a little touchy about my shyness in the market.
@@MoraMargaret I do care, I don't want to cause offense and I will check out that comment, thanks! Good luck in overcoming your shyness.
@@MaryGwenDungan I doubt my presence in a local neighborhood will make a difference. as no one would mistake me for a gringo and I conduct my affairs in Spanish. I fit in, to put it in simple terms. It is truly a modest neighborhood, with unpaved roads in some places and a somewhat rough around the edges reputation.
If @MoraMargaret took issue with my post, fine, but who are you? Some Jenny-come-lately doofus trying to pile on can take a long walk on a short pier. Also: you may not have noticed, but EVERYONE is passing judgements, especially in videos like these! Just be fair in your assessment.
It DID happen in my hometown in Canada. I don’t have to imagine it. It’s the same everywhere right now.
Your videos are so helpful. I have my residency but I can’t decide on which city. Guanajuato and SMA are my faves so far but I will consider your thoughts on SMA.
Thank you and I understand. They are both beautiful.
sma is more foody place and american environment, guanajuato is more european with mexican mix and still virgin of americans so english is not well spoken there
Your videos are very informative and I enjoy your rational perspective. What’s going on in SMA is a tale that can be spoken about so many places. Santa Fe, NM comes to mind. I lived in Taos for 35 years and visited SF often.
It was not possible to live in northern NM and not notice the transformation by the wealth class that was taking place in SF.
It’s hard to blame them for wanting to live someplace that is beautiful and culturally rich.
SF is culturally rich and wealthy people have been attracted to it for the same reasons they are attracted to SMA…it’s beautiful, it’s historic, it’s full of artists and craftsmen and music and good food, etc.
The down side is as you say…they move in, drive up the value of the real estate market and drive out the local demographic. And they believe they are doing the local economy a favor by providing service jobs to the locals…who must commute from other towns bc they can no longer afford to live where they once called home.
I see the parallel between SMA and SF. Thankfully, there are so many other places in Mexico that have not yet been over run by wealthy gringos. I look forward to your future videos as you explore Mexico. Good luck on your adventure.
I appreciate your candid reflections. Thank you for sure!
You are so welcome!
I really appreciated your perspective. Most of the videos make SMA sound like paradise. I have been pushed out of San Francisco, CA, my hometown, and now being pushed out of Oakland, CA for the same reasond - gentrification. I am really drawn to SMA because I am a writer and artist. Thanks again.
So you can see from both angles. Yes, it's a beautiful town full of beautiful buildings (I get the feeling the artists have been pushed out by the gentrification), AND the locals are being forced out of their own neighborhoods. I'm sorry about California, I had the same kind of experience.
Check out Huatulco
Come and experience it for yourself. Almost all my foreign friends here are far from wealthy. Most rent reasonably priced apartments or homes near centro. Most seldom eat out at the hundreds of high end restaurants in town or shop at the high end stores and boutiques. Almost all are creative people who are involved in the visual arts, music, writing, dance…you name it. You can certainly live a very good life here on the cheap. Little mom and pop eateries abound in every neighborhood where you can fill up on tasty food for a few bucks. Little stores sell fresh fruits , veggies and sundries at low prices and there are large markets and a fantastic flea market that takes place twice a week. Best place to shop on a budget for sure. Ive never witnessed a crime here, nor do I hear of it any more than any of the many other places Ive lived. I feel as safe here as anywhere. If you suffer from wealth envy, then you could feel resentful i guess, but if not, you’ll love it here. Oh and theres so much happening in this town ALL the time and tons of it is FREE!
@MariDreamwalker in MY opinion gentrificaccion is in every corner of the world. Here in SMA, it is more palpable because of the extremes in wealth and the attitude. If you want to be near hundreds of writers and artists, SMA is the place. Every other person here is either a writer or an artist or both.
Mexico has many beautiful cities and towns. But if you don't plan on speaking Spanish and you want to be surrounded by other Canadians, Americans, or other expats, then a place like SMA is for you. I've heard and read that Ajijic and Huatalco, among others, also have a healthy population of expats where English is not 100% required.
Mexico has something for everyone.
I strongly appreciate your view on the difficulties and problems, the "negatives" of San Miguel de Allende and other communities in MX, as I would rather understand the negatives over the positives of visiting and living in such areas. Thank you!
I totally agree with your assessment....Thanks for your videos
Nice to see an honest review compared to so many others who fluff it up and sugar coat it!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so much for your honest perspective. I’m currently in the process of leaving this country and Mexico was high on my list with San Miguel de Allande definitely a place I was considering because of all the videos that glamorize it. It’s good to hear the other side because everything has another side.
Yes, everything does. I hope you find the perfect place for you.
@@MoraMargaret thank you 😊
I lived in SMA for 6 mo. I totally agree with you. 20,000 entitled expats is never a good thing. I moved on to PV which is larger but many expats also.
Thank you. I was hoping for better news but grateful for your perspective and honest report. Where to next?
Thanks for your comment. We are headed to the state of Queretaro! I'm excited about it.
@@MoraMargaret I’m looking forward to your insights about that area. I know someone that grew up there and just came back from a visit. She goes regularly. And she and her mother still own a home there but live primarily in central Florida near me.
As I’ve said to others in the past, “A raggedy truth beats a dressed-up lie any day,” in my thinking. I always prefer it, and with true information, I can decide how I want to mitigate risk. I know of a group of women who live there and they encourage others to visit, so I might go, but under the circumstances, I’d likely prefer more down-to-earth amenities and the people they’d attract. Thanks!
I went to SMA first upon arriving in Mexico and could see the appeal but didn't really feel at home there. Your video helps me see more of the why.
Lots of good information, I appreciate this video
It's always important to get lots of perspectives like yours in this video. Stay safe.
Always!
Interesting coincidences of life paths. I was born and lived in Oregon my entire life prior to leaving to teach in SMA 16 years ago...and have been there since, while also going back to Oregon regularly. In the beginning, one could drive in Centro; not anywmore. Alot has shifted there, however, the real crime is not on the streets. It is hidden beneath the surface in the lack of justice within the departments, and the fact that there is little justice for a gringa(o) within the legal system. What is the point of discussing crime when the legal system itself is corrupt? With the construction of an airport north of town, new construction going in without safe road access, it is rapidly expanding to accommodate all who arrive. There were still campesinos with burros in Centro when I arrived, now no more. The one thing though that SMA has which is essential to me is the access to quantities of organic locally grown fruits and vegetables and foods which are non-gluten, non-dairy and at a price which , which increasing, is still more affordable than the US. Plus, there is nowhere in the US that I know which has the infrastructure to access local produce and food the same as SMA. That is the current status of SMA and a good reason to be there. The scales are tipping. But, just like a gordita, which is really made to stuff with deliciious contents inside, not as a flat tortilla, the essential thing is to look on the inside, of both gorditas as well as the justice of a community. Buen Suerte
Thanks for your thoughtful comment. There are serious pros and cons, and these are to be considered, especially when thinking about a permanent relocation, or buying a property. It sounds as though you've had some experience with the justice system here? I hope you still love where you live!
Have you been to Comala in Colima State? just about 2-1/2 hours south of Guadalajara? we were there a few years ago and love that town i wonder how it is now...
I passed through Colima but didn't stop. I would have like to see Comala, but I'll have to make another trip :)
I don't think you are over reacting. Totally agree, San Miguel has become unaffordable for most mexicans and it's sad. We are struggling with the same issue in Mexico City since the pandemic. Gentrification is out of control. Neighborhoods such as Condesa, Roma and Escandón, have raised their housing prices for foreigners so much, that locals have been displaced. I'm not against Americans moving to Mexico, yet I do think our government has to set rules to fight and avoid gentrification. It is just not fair. Love your blogs BTW.
You are right what you say about san Miguel it has become very expensive
I have been here 11 years. I NEVER heard the term 'gringo gulch' other than in a different video 6 months ago. So, to be clear, I have never heard that here. Everywhere I go here I see and feel others like me navigaying this amazing place in middle income. I read a stat that says that a person is more likely to be a part of a violent crimes in the US than here. Yes, Celaya (seh/LI/yah) is close, as are a few kther more dangerous Guanajyato, and yes we stay away. If she is moving to Lake Chapala, which I have heard reference to as 'boring' I hope that works for her. By the way, the evening, the Centro area they she reference to as Gringo😅 Gulch (?) is almost ALL local and other middle class Mexicans. Same on the buses where I am almost always the only ex-pat. I can't afford rent (and other things) in the US, yet am working my own things out here in amazing SMA.
Appreciate the honesty.
Nice, informative video Mora. I appreciate your integrity. Safe travels 😊
Thank you! 😃
That is why I like Patzcuaro! A Pueblo Magico without the gringos!
Well done. Appreciate your honesty!
Come to Houston. I live a neighborhood houses cost $400 thousand to 650 thousand. Got car jacked at gun point. People get shot driving home for making a mistake. Good luck finding a crime free place in USA or Mexico.
Uuuggg. Sounds awful. I'd get out of there if I were you. Despite high crime in the cities, the FBI says violent crime in the U.S. is way down, overall.
I feel like our city is getting worse every year😢
@@MoraMargaretThey’re lying
@@malvolio01I'm sure you have data to back that up, right?
@@jacqdanieles Yes
I loved your video. We need to hear all of this. I don't think I would like to live there either
Thank you for making this video. Everything you say is true.
I’m poor and live in Manhattan. I’m not resentful that I don’t have as much as those who are better off than me. But it is painful to have basic needs not met from time to time and it always pains me to see people dying on the streets in my neighborhood.
I loved living in San Miguel many years ago and I think I would love living there now.
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I’ve never been to Sweden but I’m sure it’s beautiful. Have you seen videos by the woman Jonna Jinton in Sweden? Love them!
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Hi, I’ve enjoyed your videos! Do ypu happen to know anything about the Georgetown Compound? It’s an artist’s group in San Miguel de Allende. I’ve rented a loft from them from Jan 2025-Match 2025. Just wondering if you’ve heard anything about it.
I've seen the rentals on craigslist, and they looked good to me, but I ended up staying somewhere else so I don't know. I hope you like it there!
I'm located in Centro, Merida, Yucatan. While it is easy to blame "expats", etc, Mexicans, not immigrants from the north, are buying 90 percent of properties in Merida, Yucatan.
Citation please.
actually 1% of foreigners buy property in Merida, most are Mexicans coming from Mexico City and other areas in Mexico
Your dogs are so beautiful, you can tell they really adore you. That's an amazing home, I agree with you.
Thank you :)
Right on point! Many Mexicans left for better opportunities in the 🇺🇸 years ago. Now we’re ready to come back and find ourselves unable to afford the astronomical housing prices. I am now thinking of moving to Spain which is a beautiful country and way more affordable than Mexico.
Great video, thanks for the insight, good luck in your endeavors 👍
You too! I love Spain, and if I didn't have the two canines I might go over there. Thanks for your comment.
I am a Dutch citizen living in Mexico for many years and I can easily move back to Europe. But I have my 3 french bulldogs and it makes it very hard to move to Spain which I love. But housing is only affordable inland close to the coast it is very expensive. 15% closing cost on a house purchase. Not easy for a non EU citizen to move to Spain. Many Spanish people are complaining on all the "foreigners" buying into their country making housing unaffordable. Even the Canarian Islands want to ban foreigners (even other EU citizens) go figure. It is starting already in Barcelona, Malaga, Valencia.....
@@cmkenterprise yeah, I’ve heard about all the backlash against foreigners. Rent is still reasonable, though, when compared to California prices (>3000/month). I am having 2nd thoughts because of that. I wanted to live there just a few years. My ultimate and final retiring place is still Mexico because it’s the country I was born in and I love Mexican culture, naturally. Good luck to you and I hope you’re enjoying life in 🇲🇽
Wow for once an expat who doesnt praise living in Mexico to the sky! But gives an honest critique of the social or economic aspect of a large wealthy expat community in San Miguel.
Gracias :)
It was really nice back in the early 70's. I used to stay there whenever I took buses exploring Mexico. Mexico was way more safe back in those days. SMA was way more funky and laid back in those days with lots of expat writers and artists from the USA and Europe. .
That's what I've heard from others. Now it seems a playground for the rich.
@@MoraMargaret Mexico was almost comically more affordable back in the early 70's. I mean it was just amazing. I was a farm kid from Boulder County in Colorado and I stayed in Mexico for eight months on just $2000.00. I took buses and trains from north to south and east to west. I even flew from Mexico City to Acapulco for dirt cheap. Folks were just so friendly and generous wherever I went it was unforgetable how wonderful it was back in the day. It was a magical place for sure.
Sounds wonderful! I wish I had seen it then. Still love Mexico, the land, the culture, the people. Sounds like you've had a great life of travel.
I agree with your assessment. For myself, I left my hometown of Bend, Oregon in 2016. I had to work through my resentments due to wealthy people moving in and making housing unaffordable for the locals. We also had to get permits to go hiking in our homelands!! It's so strange... and it's happening everywhere. We then move for affordability and oftentimes contribute to gentrification elsewhere. Great content and I thank you for your honesty.
Thanks for your comment. I've had the same experience. Moving from California to Oregon I got a taste of that resentment, and like you said, it's happening everywhere.
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I left Austin Texas after 40 years because of the Gentrification from California and more... Mexico is a great change however I understand the Mexicanos' frustration...🍀
@@MoraMargaret Sorry you encountered resentment. 😥 I only discussed my issues with my friends. I understand needing or wanting to move to another area. ¡¡Cuídate!!
When you find the perfect spot, let us know via one of your videos. It might be in the Marquesas islands. That’s what Thor Heyerdahl thought anyway.
I’ve lived here in Mexico so long that I don’t know if the dollar prices for the items you bought at La Comer seem high or low to an American. As somebody on a fixed income, they seem quite high to me.
That’s the problem with shopping at a supermarket in SMA: too expensive.
thank you for your honesty and truthful expression. Both sides of the coin needs to be examined!
I just googled they said there is no jet airport but there is service from a line from Queretero. So maybe the plan fell thru.
I know that Queretero is not next door so you would still need to take a bus or rent a car to get to San Miguel.
Have you considered living in the city of Guanajuato? It has all of the charm of San Miguel and doesn’t seem to have the vast income discrepancy.
Yes, and if I was going to live in a city, that would be the one. I LOVED it!
I appreciate your comments. Thank you for sharing. I'm looking for a more low-key place, so while I might enjoy a short visit to SMA I don't think it would feel like home.
Same with me :)
I just found you. Your view is refreshing and realistic. Your music and pictures are pleasant and beautiful. I would like to know where you will settle. I am also searching from a far, Denver. Wish you the best!
Thank you so much! It's been a fun adventure in Mexico, and we still have lots to see.
Always appreciate your candor. 👍
Always! And I appreciate you watching and commenting :)
You are correct to feel uncomfortable in SMA. The city has 2 extremes, the very wealthy and those that are struggling day to day.
Most expats are in one way or another trying to give back to the community.
Then you have those that charge $50 mxn for an hour of zumba in a public park or charge you $200 mxn to teach you two spanish songs in one hour, now this might be reasonable back in Canada or the States, but in a country where most work for the minimum wage of $234 mxn a DAY! Wanting to earn $2,000 mxn in an hour seems very greety. But more importantly it alienates the locals who can not afford those services, and thus resentment is born!
Agreed!
Great information. Awesome photography. I appreciate the message -- most of the guides say its awesome but still kind of portray it as an artists hangout. So, I'm not surprieed at your take. Too bad. Beautiful house. best regards
SMA is very nice to visit, but many shops and many airbnbs were very expensive for us even though we've "done well." I don't think travelers and potential expats are stupid. They think Mexico is inexpensive as much of it is. They just don't realize maybe this town is becoming the Monaco of Mexico.
That's a good way to say it!
Great truth sharing.
I was pushed out of my hometown Victoria and then vancouver... Many neighborhoods don't even have English signage. My neighbors were mostly Chinese and only lived there occasionally.
Crazy
crazy.
SMA is a great place to be, but it is absolutely a higher end experience that is not suitable for low income expats. Some people have definitely been priced out, expats and locals alike. It's the nature of the beast. I can assure you that the vast majority of wealth influx into SMA is from Mexican upper middle class and above citizens, not expats. You can walk the entire town any day of the week any season and most of the time not hear 10 words of english or anything else except Español. Further, I would say the majority of the expats we meet here are "lower class" and many of the established ones have been here a long time which enables them to stay.
All the realities of people living with people in close proximity happen here in SMA as well. Overall, I'd say we feel 3x as safe here as in any highly urban area in the US and about the same as a comparable place in Europe. Violence and random crime against property happens everywhere including here. Not perfect but really good.
Thanks for your input!
Keeping it real. I love it. If it is only positive info about a city, I call it propaganda. See Austin, Texas.
Agreed. Surprising how many people get hostile when you just mention concerns. Thanks for your comment!
Thank you
I've been to san migal & I agree with your video. Most people think or act as if the things u said aren't there. They are..nothing wrong with another opinion
Hmmm, living in mexico I have to ask myself why i am watching but you do indeed make good videos.
I found your video while doing preliminary research on SMA. What you say makes a great deal of sense? As careful as you seem to be, I’m curious where you’re moving to next? Best wishes.
Currently in Michoacan. Would love to spend some time at the coast this winter, but haven't decided where or when yet :)
Thought provoking, thanks for your perspective. Goethe, or perhaps it was Schiller, had the saying, "Whoever would have freedom, must earn it each day new." That's truly what's needed in our times too !
I like that!
I visited SMA in 1998, shoulda bought! But didn’t love it. I think Merida would be the best place for me now.
Hello, what are your views on Merida? Thanks!
@@stevegunn9971 Much of the year it is really really really caliente.
Very good an easy way to describe San Miguel.
Si!!! Agree with you. Have been arount those places you list. This is business as usual all over Mexico and many places around. I would like to call it PlanetTrification and started centuries ago with Conquerors landing in other lands with different status quo. Gentrification is an ancient activity!! And it is alive and well all over this planet. Gracias for your input! Saludos!
Gracias for YOUR input! You're very wise to see the historical repeat.
@@MoraMargaret Muy amable tu comentario. The "grass is always greener over there" is an ancient concept that triggers all this motions. "The course of the traveler". Enjoy your stay in México..and the Planet as well"" Life is good!
Because of this I've decided to relocate to guanajuanto ❤🎉 from canada
I agree with your sentiments and Bob Bailey's words (in your intro para). To me, SMA feels like Gringolandia. It's difficult to find Mexicans who live there. Locals have been priced out and pushed to distant suburbs. Portugal has experienced the same phenomena in many areas because of foreigners buying property and causing prices to skyrocket. SMA has great art but I just don't like it. It feels like a movie set, rather than the genuine article. You're also correct about a visitor having a different experience than a temporary resident. You're smart to test drive different parts of Mexico, and I hope you'll find one where you can enjoy and learn the culture and feel the perfect vibes. You've got time to experiment!
Where r u from? I have to bring 3 tiny doggies w me and I'm having a hell of a time .. best I cam find is alaska air into guadalajara then hire a shuttle to get to Guanajuanto? ... their the only airline that I can get 2 carriers in cabin and all 3 dogs in cabin!
I drove from Oregon. Flying with more than one pet, especially larger ones, can be a problem. I hope you can find a solution!
Oh what kind of dogs do u have? Shepherd and is the other part bernese?
Yes, German Shepherd and the younger one is a Bernese Mountain Dog. They are my two funny little angels!
Thank you for your video. I lived in beautiful and magic San Miguel for 6 months without any problem.
There are many positive things to consider aboutt the "rich people" that come to live here full time or part time.
I know the sad situation of the town Celaya, that never is going to happened in San Miguel for several reasons. With alll my respect, I think you are overreacting.😉
Well, I appreciate you telling me your point of view without rancor :)
What are the reasons? I'm curious because I travel in Mexico occasionally.
Why would anyone be offended by respectful yet critical comments about a place? Every Mexican who knows San Miguel knows it to be a pretty little place where posh people live ("es para los fresas", to use the Mexican slang). This idea that we're only meant to give unreserved praise is why the internet is dominated by one-sided opinions when it comes to travel and living abroad videos. I've enjoyed visiting San Miguel but I wouldn't want to live there, more or less for the reasons provided in this video.
I visited SMA with my Mexican boyfriend last winter and everything you say rings true. He was weirded out asking for directions at a real estate agency (we had just arrived and didn’t realize was for wealthy foreigners) where nobody spoke Spanish. We thought it was gorgeous and pretty much for people with quite a budget! We had the most delicious food at a local market sitting on stools w local people but my feelings were also that it wasn’t quite right….
You put it into words well. I agree, beautiful but not for me.
The news this week in Puerto Vallarta was also somewhat shocking...after just having arrived. Gentrification, rising costs of living here have just named PV the most expensive city to live in in all of Latin America. Our rent in the boonies is affordable, the utilities, too. Shopping as a local is saving us. Once we need something that cannot be bought out here, I find that prices are completely off the charts. Even to the point of being ripped off by taxi drivers to get to the "CITY"...I tip, but it seems like foreigners are automatically expected to be big tippers! Looking at me like, "really?" Not all foreigners are wealthy, but hoping & trying to learn the culture, the language and fit in. I'm already wondering if this area is the place for us to call home.
Thank you for your candid video. I have lived in Mexico before and am considering moving back. However, it would not be SMA. Since I speak Spanish well, I have no need to bearound expats in a town where you don't need to learn the local language. I am also very bothered by the extreme gentrification. .
Agreed. There are many other beautiful parts of Mexico :)
i would love some idea of what you mean by rich, middle income, low income for that area. i am just guessing. that would help me understand. thank you!
Thank for addressing a question I tried asking elsewhere. It seems like the places I've researched fit one extreme or another, but nothing for those of us in the middle.
Ideas raised in calif my brother moved to Oregon in the 70s I moved to Iowa in 1977
I don't want you to feel complacent or let down your guard while traveling. I will tell you that your dogs provide you with just a bit more security, company, love, and possibly a little protection that the average traveler doesn't have. You shouldn't rely on them as your safety net, but they are great companions. Remember that when you run into inconvenience traveling with pups. Always trust your gut and instincts and act quickly when you feel uncomfortable. Stay safe!
Agreed! Gracias :)
Dear sister❤. Please. Continue your journey. You are a wonderful messenger. Have the best life possible. With your dogs.
Thank you so much!
Mora I couldn’t agree more - If I remember correctly there was a song in the 70’s I believe from the Eagles that included a line “once you call a place paradise it’s over”.
Yeah, it's too bad. Especially for the locals. Thanks for your comment!
Thank you for your honesty! Gentrification poses such a conundrum. My area of where I live in the US is experiencing extreme gentrification. What is the answer? I don't want to be that ugly American gentrifier (I do speak Spanish well enough and have lived in Latin America before), but my neighborhood is quickly becoming unaffordable. Not looking for answers, just here to comment and again, to say thanks.
I agree and thanks for watching!
This has been my experience too as I have visited there for 40 years. Now I have no interest in going there anymore.
Thank you for your videos. I appreciate what you do. Although I am well off, I really don’t want to live under those conditions where I find myself being the bad guy. I’m moving from Querétaro soon because I’m not wanted here. The people are pushing me out just because I m well off.
We sat on our patio near St Helena Ca and discussed gentrification in Quetero just like what has happened in NapaValley. Too many hyper wealthy drawn to the area. I'm surrounded by empty second homes while locals live is sheds and shacks.
I’m sorry to hear that. You have a perspective I have not really heard before. If you want to talk about it please write me an email: Mora@MoraMargaret.com
I spent a few decades in Sonoma County, and I know what you mean. Something has to change. Thanks for adding your POV.
I think San Miguel Allende is one of thoe places that it is beautiful, but has been found by expats and tourism ;for a long time...;there are other places in mexico.Though I hear San Miguel Allende is safe ?
I had no trouble when I was there. I think it's much safer than other cities nearby.
I went there last winter because San Miguel gets so much attention from Americans. Personally I was majorly disappointed. Yes I noticed the two levels of people. As she said, it is in your face! But that’s not what I didn’t like about it really. The streets were horrible. I didn’t see anything interesting. I left after 2 days there, and avoided any places expats crowd to after that.
For everyone exploring possible destinations on UA-cam. You need to be aware of a couple things. First of all, somebody honest like this lady, won’t get as many views on her videos probably as the videos that tell you the place is heaven on earth. Second. Most people making videos, didn’t drive there. They don’t have a car, they fly into the country then take public transportation after that. If you drive into Mexico, it’s a whole different world and experiences. Finding parking at the hot spots is almost impossible.
Thank you for your honest opinion about St Miquel
I was to my way to SMA and the storm came 😢...September is the month to visit Guanajuato
I visited friends who moved there maybe 10 years ago. I did not like the vibe there and thought that the problem was with folks from the US. Expectations that everything should be cheap, too many people there cause booze is cheap. But we were at a large plaza there where we went for a large art show. The military showed up with full face coverage, all dressed in black uniforms with automatic weapons and shiny black pickup trucks where the soldiers stood with weapons. It was a peaceful gathering, children running around, a lovely day and then this intimidation. That was it for me. It was as if the police/military are at war with their own people. I’m taking my last stand in my own country.
You have an interesting perspective. Thanks for your comment.
I think you just hit the nail on what bugs me about San Miguel. I don't like it when lots of locals get pushed out
Thank you! Very informative. It won't happen, but there should be a legal limit on how much land and how many homes a person (or corporation) can own. Every city now has many homes and apartments which sit empty most, if not all, of the time, owned by wealthy people (including wealthy criminals), often as investments (to make even more money that they don't need,) and all of this has a negative domino effect on everyone downstream of them.
I thought Potzcuaro was lovely, but it was, in the 90s and it was a resort area for Mexicans. They did not speak English and my Spanish was limited. I like to have some expatriots around to hang out with.
Thanks for your take on SMA! It’s one place in Mexico I haven’t been to but on my list to visit. One reason that is not high on my list is I prefer places where I’m experiencing local Mexican life instead of being surrounded by foreigners especially from the US.
What a beautiful home. I heard it is beautiful but expensive because full of EXPATS from USA, EUROPE AND CANADA
There are also many wealthy Mexicans causing prices to go up.
Never heard of a nurse getting laid off. Did like a rural hospital close? I live in Mexico City and agree with you its easier living in Mexico.
Hi Mora, Could you share the Airbnb you stayed in. I would be interested in your food prices at La Comer
Were you able to see the last screen in the video with prices? It only shows for 5 seconds so you have to pause the video to really see it. I will get you the link for the airbnb.
www.airbnb.com/rooms/952974592174029343?source_impression_id=p3_1720199374_P3Ob6TQPSnN-MRA6
@@MoraMargaret very reasonable
I absolutely love your integrity! Thk you. I won’t be going here.