I wish Jake would just be a booker. He has so many great ideas. That idea about a high flying heel is fantastic, if you can sell it right and make it mean something.
@James Boney The thing is so much has happened over the past few decades that has led to ruining it so turning back the clock could actually be detrimental. I was watching an old school match with Jerry Lawler vs Ric Flair and the things those guys did looked great! BUT slow and precise which wouldn't go over well today. HBK vs Kurt Angle? Masterful psychology. Masterful storytelling. Could "kinda" work today but this current gen of both fans and talent alike is all about explosiveness and hurriedness. MMA (as we know it) came out in the 90s, around the same time pro wrestling started suffering various things like kayfabe being mocked secrets exposed, etc. Also at the same time was the current talent growing up watching both pro wrestling and REAL bloodied and brutal fighting and also getting savvy to the secrets. Mix it all in and what we have left is a group of fans not interested in the classic way of putting on a match because they've been spoiled both by the secrets of wrestling plus MMA being as real as it gets. Now they want flashy "Anthony Pettis Showtime Kicks" and Ronda Rousey Armbars etc. Now it's not about the wrestler's performances, instead it's about these awesome mind blowing and adrenaline inducing moves that they can't believe someone did. And because of MMA, the more exotic the moves the more excited the fans. I think all this together puts us too far gone to be able to bring back the days of old and keep today's fans interested... 😢
No it doesn't pro wrestling is garbage and todays wrestling is Soo much better than that trash stop wanted pro wrestling to look real it's sad and pathetic if you want that go watch boring ass UFC or MMA, WWE is 100x better
@@SonnyBubbawrestling on tv has always been fake..it never stopped anyone from enjoyed...so your comment on ufc being credibility is useless. As for wrestler not being able to be what it was...it could if there were wrestling matches and not bullshit fashion shows and minutes of "ifff ya smell...." bullshit, or a rapping retard like cena It be nice to see wrestling...not these fucking mouth offs
"Snakes don't fly" Nowadays, if a guy wasn't interested in going to the top rope he'd be seen as boring because every match has seven flips and a dive. It's bullshit.
2:30 The answer is yes. Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka was a great example of that. He really only had the Superfly Leap and a couple of other moves He did a great job of wrestling and selling, before that. Great at promos too
My reply to Jake, referring to what he was saying at the end of this video, would be, "Why would Vince McMahon want to destroy Kurt Angle's credibility? Because he didn't create Kurt Angle, therefore, he wants to destroy him." Its that simple.
It depresses me watching wrestling, and even this interview. I can imagine a legend like Jake being100% right here, but what will it change? The company he works for are even worse than WWE for the spot crap. Wrestling is dead.
It's true what he is saying about less is more. I remember watching The Rock vs Hogan at WM18 thinking it was the best match I've seen. Looking back it was a great match but They kept it very simple and fed off the crowd.
I 100% agree with Jake. Wrestlers should also work their way into slams from holds. Top rope moves should be limited and punches & kicks should mean something. And lastly they need to sell the moves that are done to them. Watch a real wrestling match and you'll see them actually fighting to slam or outmaneuver the other. I feel like that's how it should always look. Just because ppl know it's staged doesn't mean it has to look like it.
This man is my role model. Let me explain. His father was great (being sarcastic) he fought drug addiction and came through he wasted half his experience in a sort of revenge mode but realized wow I surpassed the one that motivated me. Without realizing it until he sobered up. He has fallen Time and time again but still stands the fuck right up. Much love and respect. Jake the snake will always be one of my heroes and I'm 40 yrs old love ya man and thank you for the memories.
Am I the only one that notices that Bret Hart stared or at least made it popular to win by a stupid surprise roll up? A lot of his matches ended like that.
No, I can see what you're saying for sure. The most I ever saw him do it though was that first run with Flair after he won the strap- and to Bret's credit he has stated in interviews that Flair would call the rollup finish as the ending and it would kill the momentum of the match. Bret thought Ric was killing the finish and Bret's heat on purpose. But he did also do that same type finish vs Piper and Bulldog. So...
Macho Man Randy Savage was a high flyer and was one of the best ring psychologists of all time. Hell his finisher (which hardly ever got kicked out of) was a high flying move.
This is the kind of wrestling we need to go back to when WWE goes to Netflix. It's a great chance to tone back on some of the craziness and go back to basics to lure in new fans.
Its all about a build up. We do know that it takes Jay Lethal about 10 seconds to set up and execute his "Lethal Injection" which makes the whole move look stupid and fake AF. Finisher should be BELIEVABLE and Fairly Quick. If I have to squat, stick my head between the guys legs, lift him on my shoulders, than reach out and grab him by the neck only to do a Michinoku Driver, thats another BULLSHIT finisher. The should be a build up and a believable finisher. When Chono would kick your head off with Yakuza Kick and then slap that STF that was Believable:-). When Misawa would spike you on your head with TD91. That was believable. None of those moves took long to do and both looked utterly SCARY.
I LOVED this Wrestling 101 interview with Jake. But there was one part that I didn't understand: It's where Jake said that if the fans chant "boring" at a match or at his promo, Jake is gonna say less or just sit and not do anything until the fans chant for him to do something. Wouldn't that make the promoter (ie. Vince) upset?
And he wasn't even talking about this era at the time and look how right he is..... Why? The views..... Respect to these guys but I sure know Im not doing a double trouble fliping rubble dip flip every match when a simple diving body splash or an easy move in the ring done to perfection can tell a better story. Its a temptation
“less is more” funny how this lesson is regurgitated constantly by old school guys and legends like Undertaker yet we’re only seeing more and more spots. AEW Full Gear was a good example I’d say.
Everything is there. That ring psychology is there long story lines long turns. Works n all. The championships mean something and there beautiful. Fuck wwe
He knows that most current guys don't listen, Jim Ross spoke on some of these issues, guarantee you most will not listen to it. The business will never be mainstream again and there are less alternatives to make big money in wrestling today. Just like Bobby Heenan in WCW he wasn't happy and new it was fucked up, he just went through the motions and got his check. No different for Jake and alot of ex wrestlers
he's right, but the circumstances he's describe, may just not be able to be done anymore. the psychology gets stronger and deeper the further back you go
What does that sound like he's talking about terry funk beating raven in 1997 for the ecw heavyweight title? He did beat him with a schoolboy roll-up.pin after a crazy clusterfuck of match lol
2:30 Yes you can, Jimmy Snuka, Macho Man, and RVD are a few that come to mind. RVD's frog splash always looked like it hurt him as bad as whoever he landed on.
Remember theory against like hogan hogan lift Andre why should theory beat him makes no sense he's immortal sometimes wwwe forget what's been done what they created
N people don't get this on hogan what his character was jake was great so great cuz I don't even like snakes I loved him 3 he almost won rumble think was hbk idk but he was 2 in to end they cheated I cried under a stand for a long time I was like 3
Idk how Jake is in AEW if he feels this way lol because in AEW they do 50 moves that mean nothing and makes no sense and go 100 miles a minute sometimes. Sometimes it’s good shit and its gotten better but a lot of times its what he’s saying he hates
I'm not saying Jake is wrong but his mentality is old school the way wrestling should have stayed.. him saying it's gotta be believable is the old way cause now even then when Vince said it's entertainment the kayfabe went out the window
What im saying booking Cody n working on Austin theory for people like roman brock Goldberg crazy they r ice or us size guys makes no sense Austin couldn't beat Lashley
Jakes totally right here but i think something people miss is guys today are 100 times more athletic then in the 70s. So they could only do 3 moves so they had to excel in othet areas. There is no excuse for people not selling. Another thing is everyone knows its fake. Hell wwe tells you its fake and thats why its so hard to believe in storylines these days cause you know its bullshit. The two guys that were just in the ring hating each other and now they are riding to the next town together. Again wwe has a show about them riding together. I cant buy storys at all now cause you told me they are all fake so at least give me an exciting match so im at least entertained. So 3 moves wont cut it now cause if i wanted to watch fake stories i would watch reality tv.
Although everything Jake says about ring psychology I agree with, let’s be honest. Today’s wrestling fan isn’t the same as an 80’s wrestling fan. If matches today played out to Jakes psychology the fans would complain more than ever because the time and pacing of the match would be so slow and boring. I struggle to watch old school wrestling from the territory days because it’s like watching paint dry.
Jake is one of the masters of the mind
Didn't get by on strength, his moves, or his physique
He succeeded with a superior mind
He's the master of smoking crack and not showing up for work.
Yes he is master at making the fans believe.
@@artvandelayRFC I understand he's cleaned all that up.
Ya he was the definition of a wrestling genius
one of the best psychology shoots of all time
Hands down!!!! No 1 better
I remember when moves off the top rope were called High Risk Manoeuvres because if you missed, you were out.
I wish Jake would just be a booker. He has so many great ideas. That idea about a high flying heel is fantastic, if you can sell it right and make it mean something.
he tried to be a booker but his ideas only worked for him and also part of being a booker he really sucked at was you had to show up to the job
Wrestling has to get back to this.....period.
@James Boney The thing is so much has happened over the past few decades that has led to ruining it so turning back the clock could actually be detrimental.
I was watching an old school match with Jerry Lawler vs Ric Flair and the things those guys did looked great! BUT slow and precise which wouldn't go over well today. HBK vs Kurt Angle? Masterful psychology. Masterful storytelling. Could "kinda" work today but this current gen of both fans and talent alike is all about explosiveness and hurriedness.
MMA (as we know it) came out in the 90s, around the same time pro wrestling started suffering various things like kayfabe being mocked secrets exposed, etc. Also at the same time was the current talent growing up watching both pro wrestling and REAL bloodied and brutal fighting and also getting savvy to the secrets. Mix it all in and what we have left is a group of fans not interested in the classic way of putting on a match because they've been spoiled both by the secrets of wrestling plus MMA being as real as it gets.
Now they want flashy "Anthony Pettis Showtime Kicks" and Ronda Rousey Armbars etc. Now it's not about the wrestler's performances, instead it's about these awesome mind blowing and adrenaline inducing moves that they can't believe someone did. And because of MMA, the more exotic the moves the more excited the fans.
I think all this together puts us too far gone to be able to bring back the days of old and keep today's fans interested... 😢
No it doesn't pro wrestling is garbage and todays wrestling is Soo much better than that trash stop wanted pro wrestling to look real it's sad and pathetic if you want that go watch boring ass UFC or MMA, WWE is 100x better
Wrestling can’t get back to this, because nobody in the audience is not smart. UFC has credibility.
@@SonnyBubbawrestling on tv has always been fake..it never stopped anyone from enjoyed...so your comment on ufc being credibility is useless.
As for wrestler not being able to be what it was...it could if there were wrestling matches and not bullshit fashion shows and minutes of "ifff ya smell...." bullshit, or a rapping retard like cena
It be nice to see wrestling...not these fucking mouth offs
"Snakes don't fly"
Nowadays, if a guy wasn't interested in going to the top rope he'd be seen as boring because every match has seven flips and a dive. It's bullshit.
I feel like a lot of wrestler now days rely to much on being fancy in the ring imo and moves don't mean anything anymore
This is an education in wrestling psychology and in story telling in general which actually applies to all areas of life.
2:30 The answer is yes.
Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka was a great example of that.
He really only had the Superfly Leap and a couple of other moves
He did a great job of wrestling and selling, before that. Great at promos too
@Keith Moses It's hard to be a babyface after you murder your girlfriend
Randy Savage immediately came to mind.
@Keith Moses It was Don Muraco who did that, not Backlund. I'm pretty sure Backlund was gone from WWF by then.
Snuka was mostly chops and double axe handles ,He might have done a kick or two lol
Jake works in AEW, so he must be muttering "Bullshit" all the time.
The promos n him behind Archer 🔥
My reply to Jake, referring to what he was saying at the end of this video, would be, "Why would Vince McMahon want to destroy Kurt Angle's credibility? Because he didn't create Kurt Angle, therefore, he wants to destroy him." Its that simple.
“Kill my gimmick, snakes can’t fly!”
Sam Jackson:”Damn this Motha Fucka’s spittin!”
He is right though, a lot of new indy guys today just want to get their moves in and don’t think about in the between
Can only imagine Jake’s reaction to Rollins v Fiend at HIAC 😂
It depresses me watching wrestling, and even this interview. I can imagine a legend like Jake being100% right here, but what will it change? The company he works for are even worse than WWE for the spot crap. Wrestling is dead.
He explains a complicated issue in Wrestling easy enough so EVERYONE can understand it...
It's true what he is saying about less is more. I remember watching The Rock vs Hogan at WM18 thinking it was the best match I've seen. Looking back it was a great match but They kept it very simple and fed off the crowd.
The man. AEW him with Archer awesome. Cant wait to see more. Also RIP Brodie lee
I 100% agree with Jake. Wrestlers should also work their way into slams from holds. Top rope moves should be limited and punches & kicks should mean something. And lastly they need to sell the moves that are done to them. Watch a real wrestling match and you'll see them actually fighting to slam or outmaneuver the other. I feel like that's how it should always look. Just because ppl know it's staged doesn't mean it has to look like it.
Ironic that Jake works for AEW now and the majority of their roster doesn't sell, has no psychology, does too many moves, no believability etc.
Cant teach stupid
He’s only in it for the money and you can’t really blame him for that. Nothing more than just a paycheck to Jake.
This man is my role model. Let me explain. His father was great (being sarcastic) he fought drug addiction and came through he wasted half his experience in a sort of revenge mode but realized wow I surpassed the one that motivated me. Without realizing it until he sobered up. He has fallen Time and time again but still stands the fuck right up. Much love and respect. Jake the snake will always be one of my heroes and I'm 40 yrs old love ya man and thank you for the memories.
And now, Jake works for AEW. The ultimate outlaw mudshow where psychology doesn't exist.
Am I the only one that notices that Bret Hart stared or at least made it popular to win by a stupid surprise roll up? A lot of his matches ended like that.
No, I can see what you're saying for sure. The most I ever saw him do it though was that first run with Flair after he won the strap- and to Bret's credit he has stated in interviews that Flair would call the rollup finish as the ending and it would kill the momentum of the match. Bret thought Ric was killing the finish and Bret's heat on purpose.
But he did also do that same type finish vs Piper and Bulldog. So...
Jake Roberts underrated should've been champ great heel
Macho Man Randy Savage was a high flyer and was one of the best ring psychologists of all time. Hell his finisher (which hardly ever got kicked out of) was a high flying move.
This is the kind of wrestling we need to go back to when WWE goes to Netflix. It's a great chance to tone back on some of the craziness and go back to basics to lure in new fans.
Maybe the best mind for the business ever.
There were times when DDT was a finisher
Yep. Now a DDT is just another move.
Because of Jake! He made that move a devastating finish
Scoop slam used to be the most exciting move in a match too.
Things change.
Its all about a build up. We do know that it takes Jay Lethal about 10 seconds to set up and execute his "Lethal Injection" which makes the whole move look stupid and fake AF. Finisher should be BELIEVABLE and Fairly Quick. If I have to squat, stick my head between the guys legs, lift him on my shoulders, than reach out and grab him by the neck only to do a Michinoku Driver, thats another BULLSHIT finisher. The should be a build up and a believable finisher. When Chono would kick your head off with Yakuza Kick and then slap that STF that was Believable:-). When Misawa would spike you on your head with TD91. That was believable. None of those moves took long to do and both looked utterly SCARY.
Love Roberts, might not of been the most "athletic" wrestler but man what a brain, his promos was incredible
3:10 what he describes here has always been my main contention with how things developed. in the 70s they'd do stuff like that and that was the end
I think there room for more than a few moves in todays product but a guy that get the most out of what he does understands the business.
I LOVED this Wrestling 101 interview with Jake.
But there was one part that I didn't understand: It's where Jake said that if the fans chant "boring" at a match or at his promo, Jake is gonna say less or just sit and not do anything until the fans chant for him to do something.
Wouldn't that make the promoter (ie. Vince) upset?
probably more of a house show move
Honestly depends on the promoter and if the match overall gets over.
And he wasn't even talking about this era at the time and look how right he is..... Why? The views..... Respect to these guys but I sure know Im not doing a double trouble fliping rubble dip flip every match when a simple diving body splash or an easy move in the ring done to perfection can tell a better story. Its a temptation
Simon miller got the most devastating move in all of sports entertainment here 🤣
“less is more” funny how this lesson is regurgitated constantly by old school guys and legends like Undertaker yet we’re only seeing more and more spots. AEW Full Gear was a good example I’d say.
No wonder AEW is shit. Jake just pulling a fast one on Tony and taking his money.
Wrestling doesn't draw flies these days by comparison
I like what Jake was saying except for Angle turning heel because that was a good move in my opinion as a fan
And now he works for AEW where that’s all they do lol
Must of cringed on the inside watching moxley vs archer on dynamite lol. He basically described the match perfectly at 2:08 lol
Money makes you a hypocrite sometimes
Everything is there. That ring psychology is there long story lines long turns. Works n all. The championships mean something and there beautiful. Fuck wwe
He knows that most current guys don't listen, Jim Ross spoke on some of these issues, guarantee you most will not listen to it. The business will never be mainstream again and there are less alternatives to make big money in wrestling today. Just like Bobby Heenan in WCW he wasn't happy and new it was fucked up, he just went through the motions and got his check. No different for Jake and alot of ex wrestlers
mAyBe ThEy HiReD hIm BeCauSe ThEy NeEd Him.........................................................?
There's always been crap psychology in Wrestling to be honest, but this era takes it to a level where it's beyond stupid.
he's right, but the circumstances he's describe, may just not be able to be done anymore. the psychology gets stronger and deeper the further back you go
What does that sound like he's talking about terry funk beating raven in 1997 for the ecw heavyweight title? He did beat him with a schoolboy roll-up.pin after a crazy clusterfuck of match lol
He's dead wrong about Angle. He made the comedy work for him, without removing any doubt that he could destroy any man in his way.
@Gary Hall Daniel Puder the guy who destroyed his own career by being a smartass?
I think it's more the case that Angle made it work because he was *that* good.
this man was on like a promo he was great lol
2:30 Yes you can, Jimmy Snuka, Macho Man, and RVD are a few that come to mind. RVD's frog splash always looked like it hurt him as bad as whoever he landed on.
Snake always fucking got it.
ROH needs to hire Jake as Booker PRONTO. Whoever is their current booker - he sucks.
Who should start putting some input like this in aew they can use it
He's not wrong.
one of the masters of the ring
Best Mind in The Biz.
Why is Jake not booking a promotion anywhere?
Get mad we me but RVD should have been top 5 in modern history. Instead he came in and did all his moves in one match.
There we go jake ,1978
Why dont you guys take a page out of KC Vault's playbook and just start uploading your shoot interviews to UA-cam?
yet ironically jake works for a company where everyone does everything and keeps getting up
If he was in a position of power, that would change in a damn hurry.
It's a pay-day for Jake. I'm sure he tries his best to smarten up the marks in the ring.
@@gordonirvine726 And he’s not exactly working matches either
wait AEW or WWE?
At this point of his career he’s just getting a pay check, and I don’t blame him
Why is Jake not in the creative team in WWE right now ?
Real talk!!!
A true showman leaves them wanting more🗣️💨😶🌫️😤😮💨🫠💤💤💤💤💤💤💤💤
They had this guy on AEW but the kids didn't wanna listen to him... We can now see where that got them.
Dear WWE
Hire this man as creative direction
because things are really getting bad
thanks
Remember theory against like hogan hogan lift Andre why should theory beat him makes no sense he's immortal sometimes wwwe forget what's been done what they created
same tone of voice from his promos which were all classics
He just explained why the MJF vs Ospreay match wasn't that good
Maybe Jericho and all the other clowns should watch this now.
The snake would have an aneurism if he watched a Ricochet or Ospreay match.
Hes right tho
Jake makes a great point at the end there about Vince. He's just lost the plot.
N people don't get this on hogan what his character was jake was great so great cuz I don't even like snakes I loved him 3 he almost won rumble think was hbk idk but he was 2 in to end they cheated I cried under a stand for a long time I was like 3
When was this recorded?
This video is dated 11/10/2020
Idk how Jake is in AEW if he feels this way lol because in AEW they do 50 moves that mean nothing and makes no sense and go 100 miles a minute sometimes. Sometimes it’s good shit and its gotten better but a lot of times its what he’s saying he hates
🔥
“Cough” “cough” young bucks
Let me go get this easy aew money
I'm not saying Jake is wrong but his mentality is old school the way wrestling should have stayed.. him saying it's gotta be believable is the old way cause now even then when Vince said it's entertainment the kayfabe went out the window
Does acting in movie have to look fake because we know its not real?
What im saying booking Cody n working on Austin theory for people like roman brock Goldberg crazy they r ice or us size guys makes no sense Austin couldn't beat Lashley
"Jake did. What worked for Jake" - Jim Cornette
Its alot of the indy bookers fault. You got the talent but no storylines
Jake did this interview for 2 grams of crack
1:31
So happy that Jake is not…”this” anymore
You mean speaking sense and not cashing a paycheck?
@@Bale4Bondno
Wrestling is purely for kids now
AEW
Is shit
The problem with AEW, and modern wrestling, is too many guys are small and fly around.
@@jpowers55 so ?
He is wasted on Coke.😮
drunk toenail
Jake Roberts hasn't heard of a flying snake (although technically it glides)
Jakes totally right here but i think something people miss is guys today are 100 times more athletic then in the 70s. So they could only do 3 moves so they had to excel in othet areas. There is no excuse for people not selling. Another thing is everyone knows its fake. Hell wwe tells you its fake and thats why its so hard to believe in storylines these days cause you know its bullshit. The two guys that were just in the ring hating each other and now they are riding to the next town together. Again wwe has a show about them riding together. I cant buy storys at all now cause you told me they are all fake so at least give me an exciting match so im at least entertained. So 3 moves wont cut it now cause if i wanted to watch fake stories i would watch reality tv.
Bullshit zoomer. Fairy's juiced more than a KFC chicken breast
@@flammenwaffenfries3039 wow, a really intelligent and articulate response. You really got me. Fucking kids today just say dumb shit.
Although everything Jake says about ring psychology I agree with, let’s be honest. Today’s wrestling fan isn’t the same as an 80’s wrestling fan. If matches today played out to Jakes psychology the fans would complain more than ever because the time and pacing of the match would be so slow and boring.
I struggle to watch old school wrestling from the territory days because it’s like watching paint dry.
I get what your saying
@n\a Alright Dad lol
The bar had been set to high by the hardys and edge and christian tlc matches