Repairing & Restoring a Roland Juno-106 to Better Than new! Episode 4: Controls, Calibration/Testing

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  • @neonether
    @neonether 3 місяці тому +1

    This was by far the coolest video series on this topic I've seen on YT. Much of it is focused on the technicalities of repairs. With this series I got enough technical information and know-how (including the very valuable recommendations for tools & ancillary items), combined with the passion of pouring love into the labor. THANK YOU!

  • @valleyken
    @valleyken Рік тому +6

    Wow. For losing so much footage, you still managed to make a fun and educational video. So great that it's finally working, and with all the new goodness added from the kiwi board. Awesome.

  • @erichkohl9317
    @erichkohl9317 Рік тому +2

    You know, the first time I ever heard about this modification, I thought it was a little sacrilegious, like the original 106 was meant to be what it was and not tampered with. But you've convinced me, this is an amazing upgrade!

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому +2

      It still works and sounds exactly like the original - you just get lots, lots more functionality and capability!

  • @TherasiaGeorion
    @TherasiaGeorion Рік тому +3

    Wow. This is pure dedication and love. The amount of craft, talent and patience is inspiring. Thanks Scott for another wonderful series!

  • @georgehardisty8948
    @georgehardisty8948 Рік тому +1

    Wow! That was a lot of work. I don’t know enough to ask a question, but I am enjoying the education.

  • @blueworm99
    @blueworm99 Рік тому +2

    I feel your pain 😭Thank you for still taking us through the process. Been waiting for this 😋

  • @analogsyd5218
    @analogsyd5218 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this. I am re-doing my 106 atm and this has helped no end.

  • @stefanstone2840
    @stefanstone2840 Рік тому +1

    Ok, I think I would have given up after losing all the documentation. So great that you have now been rewarded with such a cool version of a 106. You have really encouraged me to repair one of my old synths. Hope with the same result as with your 106.

  • @ericascott9413
    @ericascott9413 6 днів тому +1

    I’m looking forward to playing mine soon, my new (vintage) RJ106; I’m mad I did not get the Kiwi 106 upgrade tho…

  • @WLange-pp1dk
    @WLange-pp1dk Рік тому +2

    Great series! Thank you and greetings from Germany.

  • @RobStuart-mv7my
    @RobStuart-mv7my Рік тому +1

    Sounds amazing Scott!

  • @eduard_schneider
    @eduard_schneider Рік тому +1

    Another amazing, motivational video with plenty of information and inspiration! Thank you, Scott!

  • @chl5073
    @chl5073 Рік тому

    Good job! I also renovated exactly a Korg poly 61. It was quite a big job. As I have more than 30 years Electronics and repair experiance I recommand: ONLY REPLACE CHIPS OR IRIGINAL PARTS IF IT IS PROVEN DEFECTIVE!!! It waves money and keeps as more as possible original parts. Trust me, chips as most the time totale fine! Greating Chris

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      The Juno is an exception - the power supply because when it does fail, it takes out everything else - so a $3 chip is cheap insurance. And the voice/envelope chips because they WILL fail, and I didn't want to do this job twice.

  • @markrouse3722
    @markrouse3722 10 місяців тому

    I found your synth Chanel when I bought a Roland JD 800 because I got it for a good price and what was wrong with it I seen i could probably fix. I got it for $500 following your step by step. It works great.

  • @Jtrueful
    @Jtrueful 10 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for all the time you spent to show us a depth repair and restoration video for the Juno 106. I really love this keyboard. I currently have one at my home, and have the privilege of testing it out. It belongs to a musician friend of mine who used to tour in a band called the, Temple Timers, around the late 80s. My friend used it to play the Oregon patch preset. There are some problems with it though, I tested the voice chips. It looks like voice chip four is not firing properly There's also some short circuits in some of the sliders when moving them around. I haven't done a thorough cleaning on it yet. So I plan to do so. Thank you for the recommendation with the Deox d5. My friend wants to sell it and I know they're going for up to $2,000 $. However, I don't think this keyboard is in Tip-Top shape to sell for that amount, do you have any recommendations? I really want this keyboard very bad and want to buy it for a fair price. I am a claimed keyboardist and just have to have the Juno in my Arsenal. So please help me if you have any additional information that would help me in my dilemma. Thank you so much!
    Also my buddy is getting rid of a whole lot of vintage recording equipment that I know someone will definitely be interested in. A lot of gadgets and toys. Can you refer me to a good place to put them on the market?
    Also, where should I avoid spraying the Deox d5?

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  10 місяців тому

      Don't spray the Deoxit (or any solvent-based cleaner) on or near the rubber keyboard contact strips, as it can (probably will) damage them. You can use a q-tip to gently apply it to the contacts only if necessary, but not to the rubber surround parts.
      Most people are looking for recording equipment on Reverb, but I also see it on Facebook Marketplace.

    • @Jtrueful
      @Jtrueful 10 місяців тому

      @@ScottsSynthStuff thank you so much for your you have been a very

  • @waziammm
    @waziammm Рік тому

    Great video series, this will help me out on a bunch on a 106 I'm about to attempt to repair. I'll be subscribing for future content.
    On a side note, when you can't see you face your voice can sound very close to Bob Odenkirk.

  • @TheBebe666
    @TheBebe666 Рік тому +2

    There is lot`s of work with 106. I can only imagine how much work might be with Jupiter 8. Amazing job. Truly amazing🙌👏( but you had me on that disaster an the beginning, i thought something happened with synth ..phew...😳)

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому +1

      The JP-8 is CHOCK full of circuitry, wow that would be a task.

    • @TheBebe666
      @TheBebe666 Рік тому +1

      @@ScottsSynthStuff That's why i have sold JP-8 last year after i bought JP-X. It is an amazing piece but after 40 years...enough is enough. And now after i have seen all this torture with 106 ...not only it would be time consuming...but quite expensive.

  • @HammondDirk
    @HammondDirk Рік тому +1

    Thank you very much for showing the whole restoration, it will help me a lot as soon as I get my Juno-106!
    But I definitely won't install a KIWI-106, as it actually defeats the purpose why I wanted the Juno in the first place: simplicity! Just having a knob for everything, and every knob with just one function. I got a DeepMind-12 now, which basically has most of the functions of the KIWI-106, but even some very basic functions are hidden in menus. I also like the "1985"-view much more than the "2015"-view in that piece of SW. I guess I should also check out the JD-800 once, maybe starting with your video about the restoration ;-).

    • @HammondDirk
      @HammondDirk Рік тому

      Today my Juno-106 arrived! And I immediately found out why you should NOT PUT those VOICE CHIPS into SOCKETS!!! They can easily fall out during transport!!! Somebody apparently took out the 6 voice chips, removed the epoxy, put them into a white shrink-wrap and socketed them... Lots of tones were missing when I tried it the first time, opening it saw some of those chips missing, I found them back after looking underneath the power input PCB (luckily the 115V didn't blow up the chip!) and the module PCB... Now it works, but I definitely need to calibrate it. And get a new transformer, apparently in some (later?) models Roland didn't put the multi-voltage transformer anymore, it's for 100V only now... But it sounds great! 😀

  • @ferenclucas2842
    @ferenclucas2842 Рік тому

    Such a thorough well organized series of videos fantastic job! While doing the full calibration is beyond the scope of these extensive videos, What i have yet to find on the internet is a 106 calibration demonstration we can actually use to perform one ourselves. A method where the presenter does not just show the oscilloscope but explain what to set it to for each part of the calibration. This would make all the difference because the people that understand oscilloscopes don't need a callibration video, and the people that don't understand oscilloscopes can't do anything with a calibration video anyway unless that info is shown for that most difficult part.
    Also it would be so great if someone gave some examples of minimum cost oscilloscopes specifically for this procedure and also the minimum necessary specifications required so whether budget or vintage we don't have to spend $799 to make sure its got everything ----and then only use 5% of its features and only use it one time for a juno calibration. There are no videos out there that show any of this, the closest they get is showing you is some curves on the scope with no mention at all of what to set the scope to or good budget scope solutions to save the diy person some money.
    If you try to ask advice on synth repair user groups about some alternatives for oscilloscopes, no one seems to get the budget part -- but instead recommend $800 oscilloscopes but they can't seem to explain what specific features are needed and seem to just dismiss the cheap ones likely because of an dismissive opinion based on price.
    Today's modern oscilloscopes did not exist in 1984, but whatever they used on the 106 then, worked for sure and might be cheap now. Which ones are those? If not a vintage solution, which one of these less expensive ones on amazon has the suitable features? Some are 50 dollars. Are the tests with these simple looking sine waveforms too NASA for just a simple oscilloscope like that? Won't it do the job and get you across the finish line somehow? Just the $50 inexpensive one? Or then the $70 one then? Or 100 .
    Would love to know these things like is it possible to run those 3 or 4 scope tests with a budget of less than 100 on a vintage or a inexpensive simple scope and then what settings for each test and where do you ground it and which probes etc etc. Maybe someday someone will put that together it eould be amazing!

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому +1

      The reason I usually "skip over" the calibration process on these videos is not that it's out of scope, just that it takes a REALLY long time, and it would be incredibly boring to watch.
      As for scopes, even an inexpensive $120 scope like this one amzn.to/42c4G9h would be more than enough. It has auto-ranging, so it will take care of most of the configuration, you might need to set the sweep frequency into the audio range. That scope (and many like it) has peak-to-peak and frequency measurement capabilities, which are VERY useful for synth calibration.
      I haven't tried it but one of the DSO-138 based units like this one amzn.to/3Wyr37D would do the trick, although with their minimalist interface, they're definitely harder to use.

    • @ferenclucas2842
      @ferenclucas2842 Рік тому

      @@ScottsSynthStuff thank you so much I never would have found that first one you recommended! I found a used dco138 one for 20 bucks already before reading this, I'm going to try that first and then I know if that doesn't do it it won't take long to order and receive the Dilwe one! Much appreciated!

  • @payt01
    @payt01 Рік тому +1

    Awesome restoration! So good to see these old beasts get a new lease of life. For me the System 8 is my Juno 106, even though I turned it into a Juno 60 the other day, whose soundI seem to prefer a bit Probably because I used to have a 60.
    Anyway good job and can't wait for your next project!

  • @mrdali67
    @mrdali67 Рік тому

    Fantastic series, but I think a full restorization like this is not for the faint of hearts. Lot of things can go wrong and if you have to go buy both solder iron, a desolder station, osciloscope, microscope and other tools and you don't have experience in soldering you might be better of getting it done by a professional. Like you showed with desoldering both the voice chips and the 4row cpu chip sure requires both skills and carefulness not to make shorts or damage the traces. Iremember as a big teen I dreamed of getting a Wersi Organ which could be baught back then from Germany in DIY kit. And I later heard from a local dealer where I lived how many of those things Wersi had to fix at the custommers expense which made the full prized Finnished Organ a better deal even they were very expensive. The DIY self kit had 10's of thousends parts that had to be soldered. That was back the late 70's. Think they estimated a Wersi Helios had about 40.000 solderings .. thats one serious DIY project if your not a pro with a soldering iron 🥵 I think its great what Kiwi is doing to spark life in older synth like the 106 and the Polysix and It's amazing that there actually is so many aftermarket replacemt parts so many years later. It's not that there is so many CS-80's but I saw Synthaurs video on restoring a CS-80 and many of those parts is impossible to get replacement parts for.

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      I agree, I was really trying to show the delicacy of desoldering those chips and the traces, and emphasize how careful you have to be, both to dissuade those who don't have the skills, and to warn those who do.
      I have seen far too many pictures of massacred 106 voice boards by people who should not have been in there with a soldering iron.

  • @jjdekay6969
    @jjdekay6969 Рік тому +1

    Once again you have managed to knock another series out of the park!!!!........I do wonder why you prefer isopropyl over denatured?

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      Denatured alcohol has agents added to it to make it taste awful, so people won't drink it. Those agents get left behind after the alcohol evaporates, which you don't want on electronics. Anhydrous (means no water) isopropyl alcohol has nothing except alcohol in it, and evaporates completely, leaving behind no deposits.

  • @snapbackdad
    @snapbackdad Рік тому +1

    Really nice videos and much appreciated

  • @afterjoe3042
    @afterjoe3042 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic again!

  • @thomasbourne4203
    @thomasbourne4203 Рік тому +6

    You said “disaster struck” and my heart dropped to my shoes. Thank you for reconstructing so much of the lost restoration footage! SPOILER ALERT: If you’ve got a working Juno 106 at the end, disaster didn’t really strike, though, now, did it? 😊

    • @macdaddybender
      @macdaddybender Рік тому

      That was the first thing I thought of, so glad to hear that it was okay.

    • @mrdali67
      @mrdali67 Рік тому +1

      @@macdaddybender It was only Scott that got hit by lightning 😄noone should have to feel how it feels to be hit with full 110/220v surge. I have luckily never tried it myself even I have worked as an Electrician. Always only tried touching the stuff with a single hand without being grounded. Biggest shock I ever got was when I was an apprentice and the one I was with told me to cut a 5 lead cable that he "thaught" was not in use and *poof* I had a plyer with 2 nice welded wholes in it 😁

  • @RoyMaya
    @RoyMaya Рік тому

    Great job! You spent quite a bit of time on it but I'm sure it was well worth it. 👍

  • @johnloffredo
    @johnloffredo Рік тому +1

    Just subscribed, Your videos are fantastic dude!!! I have a Yamaha montage and have learned so much from your channel. Pleaseee do more videos on the Yamaha montage, even though it’s so cool to see all these other synths you have 😁🤙🏼🤙🏼 best of luck hope you grow tremendously

  • @swanofnutella4734
    @swanofnutella4734 Рік тому

    Great series. Personally, I would NOT apply the kiwi overlay unless the panel was in terrible shape.
    I would look into applying important portions of the overlay to panels of refrigerator magnet sheets, so you can retain the provenance of the original instrument.

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      Interesting idea, I might consider that. The main problem is that there are SO many new functions that if I step away from the synth for a week or two, I can't remember what button does what, and have to break out the manual again. Having it printed right on the panel would be a huge advantage.

    • @swanofnutella4734
      @swanofnutella4734 Рік тому

      @@ScottsSynthStuff I think it's doable. two strips for above and below the selector buttons, another to the side for the page menu. and maybe a few small magnets for smaller details. Obviously a simpler design, but Jorb made one for one of his Akai's. It looks great.

  • @markrouse3722
    @markrouse3722 10 місяців тому

    Love your channels

  • @mastermachetier5594
    @mastermachetier5594 Рік тому

    Inspiring , wish I could afford a broken one to fix lol

  • @mikemeengs5720
    @mikemeengs5720 Рік тому +1

    It's beautiful!❤

  • @ProfessorSynth
    @ProfessorSynth Рік тому +1

    Great work Scott. What’s next? 😁

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      I don't know...I've run out of old, broken synths to fix!! :)

  • @jeffjeezy7170
    @jeffjeezy7170 10 місяців тому

    New to Synths, New to the Channel (love it!) Interested in buying a Juno 106. QUESTION: What is a ballpark price range one could expect to pay for an overhaul service like this, via a professional technician?

  • @PixelZoft
    @PixelZoft Рік тому

    Great channel! Sorry to hear about the lost video. However, as long as you do not record again on the same memory device you might be able to (quite easily) undelete the files. There are many different programs you can get to do this. Try to Google. I realize maybe it’s too late for this advice now but you could try it if it ever happens again. And actually, if you have not done extensive recording on the same memory device there still might be some of the deleted files left.

  • @russelldummett1273
    @russelldummett1273 10 місяців тому

    Would it?be possible to dabble the sound chips would this lower the temp,regards russ.?

  • @mountairymobile3301
    @mountairymobile3301 Рік тому

    Got your Notification...The voice chip replacement with the desoldering pump sounds like,,,,A lot of work ..Could it possibly be something else??

  • @Drumsdude123
    @Drumsdude123 Рік тому

    Thanks!!! Is it possible just to Deoxit tactile knobs in order to repair them? On my 106 Bank A/B selector works only if pressed hardly..

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому +1

      Possible...but those tiny switches do just wear out, and they are cheap and easy to replace. You can try cleaning them, but you sent going to be guaranteed that the cleaner will actually get inside them, and it likely won't last for long. That's why I just replaced all of mine.

  • @mountairymobile3301
    @mountairymobile3301 Рік тому

    Scott....everything seems to be fine then after it heats up it continues to play at a low volume even after you stop playing or you switch patches or banks

  • @larsandersson3889
    @larsandersson3889 Рік тому

    Awsome!!!!!

  • @jayjohnson9894
    @jayjohnson9894 4 місяці тому

    Good evening Scott, how you
    I watched your series, which was great, however, I don't have the experience nor the tools to properly accomplish this task
    So I would like to discuss with you the restoration of my 106

  • @swanofnutella4734
    @swanofnutella4734 Рік тому

    I've never soldered before but I do have a tinkerer's spirit. I'm wondering if a project like this would be doable for me, perhaps after I've done some homework and gotten a little practice on a kit, or something that doesn't matter. I'm also incredibly patient. I had planned to send mine to have all this same stuff you've done accomplished by a pro, but it would cost me well over a grand, plus expensive shipping there and back. I'm so torn, meanwhile my juno sits in the closet.

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому +1

      I have been soldering for over 40 years, so do not go by what you are seeing me being able to d. If you were going to attempt this, I would definitely spend quite a bit of time practicing on junk circuit boards first. The older the better - these old 1980's era boards are nowhere near as resilient and tough as they are today.

  • @delatronics
    @delatronics Рік тому +1

    At 18m57s you said that the voice chips were hottest but these are the VCA/VCF chips either side of the DCO chip (the DCO generally doesn't go out of tune). Sorry, I had to correct you, but in September this year I will have been 35 years as a Roland Engineer. One question I have is how do the new chips compare with the original in terms of sound quality? Did you know that the old chips can be repaied?

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      I actually realized that I was naming the chips incorrectly after I posted this video, I corrected myself in one of the subsequent videos in this series.
      The old chips can be repaired...but not always. Sometimes the printed resistors on the chips get damaged, especially when people try to remove the last of the resin after chemically removing it.
      I honestly can't hear much of a difference between the old chips and the new ones (except that all the voices are now sounding!).

    • @delatronics
      @delatronics Рік тому

      @@ScottsSynthStuff The new chips are obviously good, I have used some in the past that are flawed especially in the area of resonance. I have dipped and stripped many VCA/VCF chips and had 100% success so far, but in the wrong hands or someone who's too impatient to wait a few days for the strip to properly occur; things can get damaged. Never had to chemically strip a DCO though to date.

  • @makemylaughtersing
    @makemylaughtersing Рік тому

    Hi Scott, what a great series, thank you so much for doing this!
    I recently bought a Juno-106 from Japan and it is somewhat cruddy.
    If I sent it to you would you upgrade it for me or is this channel only for education?
    Thanks either way!
    Jevon

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому +1

      I don't do this for a living, just for fun & education. I'm sure there are restoration places that could help?

    • @makemylaughtersing
      @makemylaughtersing Рік тому

      Thanks Scott! I just saw how meticulous and obviously passionate you are so thought I'd ask :)

  • @PepijnHazelhof
    @PepijnHazelhof Рік тому

    where did you find the calibration manual?

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      Most of the service manuals for these old synths are freely available on the Internet.

  • @pheotus
    @pheotus Рік тому

    Why not restore the color back to the buttons?

  • @hjhkjhre454554
    @hjhkjhre454554 Рік тому

    Sawdering, with sawder. I recently sawd my juno.

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      Not everyone is from the same part of the world as you.

    • @hjhkjhre454554
      @hjhkjhre454554 Рік тому

      @@ScottsSynthStuff well, you should all be grateful for that

  • @JayKaufman
    @JayKaufman Рік тому +1

    HA! You know Rob from S2TSW? I know him as well. The synth community is smaller than we think!

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому

      He's a good friend of mine :)

    • @JayKaufman
      @JayKaufman Рік тому +1

      @@ScottsSynthStuff very cool. I was also heavily involved in the 1990s rave scene in Ontario, but actually got to know him a bit through Don 'Dr. Trance' Berns because we were both synth geeks.
      Rob was going to have me on his podcast but then the pandemic hit. I should probably say hi again!

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  Рік тому +1

      @@JayKaufman I miss Don. Another good friend of mine.

    • @JayKaufman
      @JayKaufman Рік тому

      @@ScottsSynthStuff likewise on both accounts. Sounds like we know probably a lot of the same people.
      I have a very vivid memory of Don inviting me out to see S2TSW because he knew I loved 80s synthpop. It was a great show and a great memory!

  • @rudi6127
    @rudi6127 Рік тому

    Unfortunately the software doesn’t work on newer Mac’s and they have no intention of updating it.

  • @Jtrueful
    @Jtrueful 10 місяців тому

    Can you fix my Juno 106?

  • @scottlarson1548
    @scottlarson1548 7 місяців тому

    There's no way to fix the blue buttons which have turned green?

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  7 місяців тому

      It's oxidation. You can take some fine sandpaper and sand off the surface, which will reveal the blue underneath...and solve it for another 40 years.

    • @scottlarson1548
      @scottlarson1548 7 місяців тому

      @@ScottsSynthStuff So you did that?

    • @ScottsSynthStuff
      @ScottsSynthStuff  7 місяців тому

      @@scottlarson1548 I've done it before, but not on this one.

    • @jayjohnson9894
      @jayjohnson9894 4 місяці тому

      ​@@ScottsSynthStuffwhere are you located

  • @mountairymobile3301
    @mountairymobile3301 Рік тому

    I was hoping for a keyboard contact or something...

  • @doktorwer
    @doktorwer 9 місяців тому

    i think thats a cs1x under that juno in the field

  • @alanthompson5639
    @alanthompson5639 Рік тому

    Hi Scott, I own a Juno 106 and I have a few questions for you but I need to send you an image to look at. Can I possibly get your email to do that.
    Thanks

  • @paypower66
    @paypower66 2 місяці тому

    compare Roland Juno-106 vs 106 x please? Paride ;.()

  • @markrouse3722
    @markrouse3722 10 місяців тому

    How much is this mod? Looking at this because I am finally looking at the Juno 106 to buy and should have years ago when you could get it for $300. I first seen you on gold wing dox. Another question, you my real dad. Lol. I was slime hay babe look he like synths and gold wings. I don't fly planes though.

  • @andrewsundaresan786
    @andrewsundaresan786 4 місяці тому

    Nice video, with the exception of the exaggerated clickbait title...

  • @mountairymobile3301
    @mountairymobile3301 Рік тому

    Scott what is your email ??
    Thanks
    Joe,