Sony FX6 Review - How does the a7S III's big brother compare?
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- The Sony FX6 is basically a cinema camera version of the Sony a7S III. In our Sony FX6 review we take a look at how it compares to the a7S III and how it fits into the Sony ecosystem.
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Since Chris became an appointed cinematographer, he is so speechless. In fact, I never saw a video where he doesn't say a word! :)
A channel so good that I watch episodes about cameras that I have zero need in actually purchasing.
I gleefully watched many FX6 reviews, but Jordan is the first person to so clearly point out the advantages of the A7Siii for a solo shooter. I am indebted and remain loyally subscribed.
Love those sorts of points. It's what makes it a real review, rather than the usual "review" aka "verifying the specs sheet"
Lol the intro.
This video should have a second title: "Jordan emerges from the bushes and sits on pointy rocks."
Looked like Chris extracted his revenge. 😂
Yours was the most unique take on the FX6. You spoke as someone with experience and pointed out issues that absolutely no one else I've watched so far has. It's why I tell anyone interested in using any camera professionally to rent before you buy. Thanks.
0:06 when Jordan said 'kneel', I actually expected the reply to be 'No, I'm Chris.'
Interesting perspective on Mirrorless cameras vs Video cameras for video. I honestly think that the FX6 was perfectly designed for single user operation, rather than a crew. I think crew operation lends itself more to Venice and Alexa cameras.
Plus giving up that built in variable ND (or just built in ND in general) is a tough choice. I too shot on the FS700, FS5, FS7, and F55, and now FX9 as a one person crew, and every time I have to go back to a mirrorless or dslr for video, I find myself wanting to pull my hair out. Constantly traipsing through touch screen menus to access the functions that are just a button press away on a dedicated video camera. Plus the battery life on DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras are a no go for most long form shoots. No ability to use bigger batteries, so have to have a good few on hand to keep swapping out.
As far as the professional Sony menus go, to make them easier, all you really have to do is set up a User menu, and you can put whatever functions you want in whatever order you want within that first-page custom menu, and every thing is at your fingertips. Plus you can assign your most used functions to the physical user buttons, and you are able to access important features in a split second.
Would love to see how the C70 stacks up with your show.
The S-Cinetone looks gorgeous. Great video guys!!
Awesome review and right on across the board regarding this camera. Great job, Jordan☺️
What a fantastic video was waiting for some clear headed thoughts like this thank you!
The intro was so worthy! Thank you for that laugh. I'm shooting on sony fx9 and a7s3 so excited to watch this from DPREVIEW
Great review. Useful information in all 9 minutes.
"It will not impress women" oh that line killed me =)
I'd love to see you guys review more cinema cameras. This was great Jordan. Chris even managed to do alright lol
Thanks for another great video Jordan. You and Chris are my favourite camera reviewers by far and if I could subscribe to you multiple times to help out I surely would.
i agree. that was a fun and very informative watch.
Interesting vid I think I shall stick to mirror less cameras for video. Nutty start as always you two are crazy but so enjoyable to watch and enjoy your videos have a great Christmas guys 🎄😀🍺🍾🍸
I love this video stuff, and it’s so fun to learn, it’s so different from photography but I just set out and “take photos” but what do you video? That holds me back with really exploring video. I don’t have a UA-cam like Chris and Jordan here haha.
Cheers! I know it's a couple of years old, but this really was very useful.
I think it is fair to mention that the FX6 got a firmware update in January - and now has the same touch-tracking autofocus as the A7S3. Also a couple of other nice features. I am an owner of both cameras - But I am mostly in love with the FX6. Variable ND for sure is the most important reason - but build in waveforms is another. It does lack the IBIS - which apparently is the trade-off for the electronic ND. Having both cameras is just great - they match each other and does well as a team. 💫😊
Winter Jordan is my favourite kind of Jordan.
for my usecase this is the perfect camera right now. i love it. i already have the a7siii and this is the way
Thank you for this video!
Are you guys gonna review the c70 too?
I'd like to, I'll have to see if I can get my hands on one for few weeks.
I can tell you all that the C70 is excellent!
@Aldo Mosty virus alert!
Loved the conclusions about the cinema cameras designed for a crew vs ML designed for a single operator.
great audio Jordan!
Great review. I traded in my FS5 for the a7S3, then wondered if I made a mistake when the FX6 came out. Apparently - I did not. The things that I hated on the FS5 are they things I would continue to hate on the FX6. The a7S3 - "fixes" all of those items. Great job, Jordan!
Fantastic Review Jordan, one thing about s cinetone is that the panasonic s5 actually have a very similar picture profile to the s cinetone, borrowing the colorscience from their varicam lineup, also has a very smooth highlight roll off, pleasing colors and around 11 stops of dynamic range, that profile is called cinelike d v2, which has a completely different color and gamma response then the normal cinelike d. And I found that if you push the hue to +2.5 it produces an extremely organic and pretty picture sooc under any circumstances.
Great Video.
great,great,great and helpful!
Nice job switching roles chaps. Looked FuFu Freezing out there. Appreciate the video only reviews. Definitely have a 6K video camera showdown ep.
Great intro!!!
Couldn't agree more about the points regarding mirrorless cameras.
Thanks for the insightful review!
Where are you wearing your lav mic? The sound is so clear on there is no clothing rustle. Thanks so much!
I put the lav mic between the buttons on my jacket. Sounds less muffled than hiding it inside the jacket.
Freaking hilarious intro guys. How do you even come up with these?
✨it will not impress women✨
But will it impress non-binary pals?
@@vikmanphotography7984 only one way to find out
"...and it's not going to suddenly flop out at a critical moment like it always does" @05:50 🤣
Telling them you shoot HD interlace works just fine though.
These images look gorgeous, what glass do I need to achieve this look?
Hahaha, loved that intro 😂
Did you take a good look at the Rotary sign next to Jordan at the beginning? It keeps going back into and out of focus. Is the autofocus hunting?
A very nice camera. Yet the headphone connector blocking the power button is a bit of a surprise.
You’d assume they would have tested various kinds of headset connectors before moving forward.
Does the audio quality on the A7SIII with the XLR adapter attached reach the same level of audio quality as on the FX6?
Hi long time no see :) how about canon C70 are you going to do review of C70 ?
A beautiful shot of Jordan in Rose hips :D Digging his magenta face, Sony still has a long way to go with skin colors :P
Interesting! There’s actually quite a few compromises on the FX9 vrs the siii; not as straightforward as I would have thought, with the more expensive one being better and checking the most boxes.
Compliments Jordan about your thoughts about Cine camera's (for a crew?) and mirrorless camera's here now.
I do read your DPReview for years all ready and always appreciated your website.
Once it was Michael Reichmann with his The Luminous Landscape from1999.
I guess you knew his site too?
Michael was off coarse very different but that is fine, I won’t compare your site with his at that very different time also.
But following you as a near alternative and also for many years now is a compliment I wish to give you and Chris and hope you will go on for some more years.
Just stay yourself as much as you can both of you.
So friendly greetings from Utrecht, Holland.
Onno Nugteren and yes into photography and filming also for many years. :-)
Thank you for watching. I never had the opportunity to meet Michael Reichmann, but we spoke oin the phone several times. I'm good friends with several of his previous collaborators on Luminous Landscape (Kevin Raber, Nick Devlin), so it's a huge compliment to hear that you appreciate our work as well.
Best cold opening
subscribed. Cheers boyzzzzz
OMG!
Not shooting this on some Panasonic.... How cleaver. Actually shooting the review ON the platform you are reviewing. Brilliant!
Do you recomend the 16-35 t3 , for the A7sIII?
I really wish a 3.5 jack and XLR input on the body were there as well as the view finder!!!! TOUCH SCREEN TRACKING should be available in V2 like the A7s3 screen.
"I now pronounce you a cinematographer"
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤣
Hi, Can you test Fujinon MK18-55mm T2.9 with Sony FX6. Can I use these zoom lenses with FX6?
Unfortunately it’s only designed for a crop sensor. You will lose the vignette around 30mm, but corners will never be very good on full frame.
Jordan @ DPRTV
@@dpreview does FX6 have a zoomed crop like FX9? I really love my MK Lenses and I don't want to buy FX9. any way I can use these MK lenses?
You can, but only in 1080P. Since it’s a full frame 4K sensor, there’s no room to crop and capture a full resolution image.
@@dpreview Thank you for your kind reply. I know FX9 has the crop feature. and I hope sony will make in future firmware the add similar to FX6 to shoot with Super 35 Lenses.
The FX9 has a 6K sensor, so it can shoot 4K with its central region. The FX6 sensor is just 4K, so it cannot record 4K from the central Super 35mm region. I’d recommend sticking to full frame glass on the FX6.
Great review Jordan 👍🏻😉 i have my fx6 now since 4 weeks and I am very happy with it, but I am still testing the best settings 🥴 best cinematic greetings from 🇩🇪 #filmmakingismypassion
I disagree with your comment that a7siii is for solo shooter and Fx6 is for with crew. On the contrary FX6 is designed for solo shooter who wants faster workflow without rigging such as
1) variable ND filter
2) Ability to use bigger size battery . Running phantom XLR power with A7siii audio adapter drains the battery real fast.
3) Better ergonomics and buttons layout for quick access
4) Ability to output SDI and HDMI at the same time. Don't need splitter or converter.
5) Can do more kind of jobs than A7siii. Other than the usual short film, documentary, and corporate videos, can also send video feed to video switcher for live music/sports event thru SDI for lower latency than HDMI
Actually FX6 is more bang for the buck than A7Siii IMO.
Agreed.
Honestly, I can’t agree until I get my FX6 hopefully next week. Hard to assess without actually shooting with it. The A7S3 is lovely to shoot with. The smart shoe adapter is easy to deal with. However, VNDs are an issue. And all that I have used change the color of the image. I haven’t noticed a massive battery drain... and I have the lavs, XLR and the new shotgun mic... all the use the hotshoe, and no noticeable drain.
But I would love S-Cinetone and the ability to turn off noise reduction.
First video camera review from "DVReview".
Automatic variable ND makes it almost unbeatable to me
Thanks again for a great review, and besides the S-Cinetone, I also want a decent waveform monitor on the A7S3. PS the FX6 is now Netflix approved, that would perhaps be worth a mention, and whether or not it has the same image processor apart from sensor as the A7S3?
The B&H Photo pages describe the image processor for the FX6 as the BIONX XR and the A7S3 as the BIONZ XR . However, the sony product page for the FS6 says it is the BIONZ XR (and shows the same picture for the PCB with two processors) as for the A7S3 (www.sony.com/lr/electronics/professional-video-cameras/ilme-fx6 - overview tab vs www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-7sm3 ).
Can you guys do the Tamron 17-70 lens for sony APS-C when it's released please?
Chris is out shooting samples with it right now! We’ll have a full test out in the new year.
Jordan @ DPReview TV
@@dpreview Thank you for the response and I look forward to seeing it. And Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays to both of you.
Is that focus hunting in the greenway scene 00:30? If so, is it a native Sony lens? Thanks for all the videos!
I believe that is a similar issue that Philip Bloom ran into during his detailed review of this camera. He said this issue was captures by a mistake that he made. He had set the AF speed to 4 for one scene, but forgot to restore it back to 1 for the static shot. This resulted in hunting. Here’s link to PB review. He mentions the issue at 7:39
ua-cam.com/video/e5xu_TTPmFU/v-deo.html
Btw: I’m planning to do a review of this camera vs the C70 over on my channel. Feel free to sub if you’d like to be notified when the video is up.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 Interesting. Thanks!
You can buy a 90 degree headphone adapter to fix the problem of the headphone jack getting in the way of the power switch, that you mentioned at 1:33 This is a link to a 90 degree headphone adapter on Amazon: www.amazon.com/LANMU-Degree-Adapter-Headphone-Adapter-3/dp/B01NBJW3T5
You’re just gonna have to shell out the big bucks if you want a Sony cinema-camera with an intuitive menu system and get the Venice.
I also really don’t like that they’re all getting rid of the EVFs. So many DPs say it changes the way you compose and are contented with the scene. I’d love an EVF for tripod or handheld setups, but now I’d have to pay another 1400 bucks or more for one of the Zacuto ones.
Is it true that you get no autofocus when 24p shooting?
I got play as well! It's unsettling for sure!
Boom..hope the fx6 mark 2 learns from this cams short comings
question, so it looks like right now the FX6 is about $6,000. can you tell me about the estimate cost of the other needed gear - mics, mounts, lenses that one would need to buy in addition to operate this camera? not the extra things, but just the other things that is necessary. Thanks
Great review. But audio out of sync. Hard to watch. How difficult is it to get that right?
Great Review !!! Guys Can you please Make a Video about Canon R6 Colors. People’s Complaining that, R6 Colors are so Warm(Yellowish) in Video Mode & it’s not the Canon Colors !!! This is one of the huge problem that holds many people’s back to buy R6 !!! Pls make a Video !!! Thanks
How did you like the colors on FX6?
Pretty disappointed in the fit n finish issues like the handle jiggling in the bayonet mount. I'm definitely interested in seeing how this matches up against the C70.
A7S III and FX6 same cinema sensor?
I don't know if I could go for a camera without a viewfinder. Even with a nice screen attached, I use the viewfinder all the time.
when is the S1H review, still looking forwards to that one~
do you mean S5? waiting for this one as well...
@@luisneumannp2748 S1H is S5's big brother, with fan inside the body and has full size HDMI. a lot of DPreview episodes are filmed with it.
They've done several, but the camera has been out for a while. Try this: ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=dpreview+s1h
@@KeithSklower thanks, I already check all these s1h videos christ and Jorden made, just wait to see if there are a final review.
What is that ultrasound looking window in the bottom right at 6:10
A waveform, it's my preferred way of gauging exposure.
ua-cam.com/video/hAT-mjS2kyc/v-deo.html
There seems to be a delay in Sony FX6 shipping to the US and Canada. Not sure what is happening and Sony seems to be super quiet as to why. Do you guys know what happened? I'm hearing retailers say that there is a 6 to 8 week delay on first shipments. What caused this? (AKM production plant fire?)
I ordered a Sony A7S3 on september 1st, and it was delivered december 5th. Since the FX6 was announced later and uses some of the same components, I would expect a substantial wait. (Not surrendering, just supplementing my panasonic gear).
@@KeithSklower - The problem is not waiting in line for your turn,...it seems that Sony is just not shipping "any" camera to any dealer. It's even stranger that dealers are not being told why or when. One dealer told my their original shipping was set for 2nd week in December. Now Sony is saying "maybe" February? What happened at Sony? What went wrong?
I wish for the new year for than 300k subscribers.
I wish only 1.000 subscribers for next year 😂 so for my channel, of course 😅 DPReview earned at least 1 million 💪🏼😉 best cinematic greetings from germany
"It will not impress women". 😂😂😂
I guess I'll wait for a Mark II for this camera.
“I knight thee Sir Tanbottoms”
That's the only way I'm going to refer to him from now on.
what about image quality? most fx6 video i see online look much better ant buttery then the a7s3 some say the image is the same and sonme people say they not the same
Cameras hunting at 0:22 and on for 20 seconds(background) is pretty bad almost if it was shot with fuji x-t200 or 30,unless it was shot with manual focus and Chris was hunting like a Fuji autofocus system
What lenses did you use on this story?
By what I've seen in those images and the behind the scenes pic, looks like 24-105 f/4
Sony 24-105mm F4 G and 16-35mm T3.1 Cine.
Ah that explains it! That Cine lens is beautiful.
@@markharwood Interestingly, Chris used the 24-105mm F4 exclusively, I used the 16-35mm T3.1 for plenty of the tests though.
guys please subscribe to them finally, they deserve more!
Aren't the video functions on mirrorless cameras the most interesting bit? 😁
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You hurt a lot of feelings here Jordan 😀😀 I'm more than satisfied with my A7S III.
I never laugh at intro jokes.... BUT Damn that was hilarious!!!!! (It will not impress women! Lolololol). Thank u. PS - I would love to see how this camera handles APS-C lenses (as we all know Sony has very limited Full Frame lens selection). Also, love your practical to-the-point delivery.
FX6 is fantastic
Easily the best opening, ever.
cant wait till a maker give us
m.2 storage....its just aching to be used in cinema camera
How is it possible that Sony *still* keep their different teams compartmentalized!? It's ridiculous! They need to advance to a unified interface ASAP. It beggars belief that their A-mount, CyberShot, E-mount and Cine cameras *all* have various body, input, and digital interface designs.
That ear jiggle
The comment that they need to raise their subscriber numbers worries me.
is the Video Quality better than R5 4K-HQ?
Is the camera capable of recording more than 15 minutes without considerable compromises? Yes.
More dynamic range, better colour, less sharp
It's the same image as the A7S III. The R5 4K HQ image is sharper than the A7S III image so it would also be sharper than the FX6 image. But the Sony cameras would still have an advantage in terms of dynamic range and high ISO performance.
I really feel Sony dropped the ball with this camera: given how amazing the A7siii is they really needed to put the boat out with this, but the various flaws that have been pointed out make it a bit of a “meh” camera. It is not a camera for crews but for owner-operator doc and Tv work, so it should be much less clunky to work with. Maybe they’ll bring out a new version in a year or so which will rectify these issues.
FX9, FS6, F3, 0?
How funny would a smaller Sony 'cinema' camers body look? Like those static production cameras? Small box?
U may easy sell a mirrorless camera. but just try to sell a video camera...
Chris has been knighted
Ouch. 😂
This way of putting out video cameras with so many compromises is just a big "NO" from a buyer point of view...I've even more respect for Black Magic Design now.