Harry Potter Theory: The Veil Explained
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- Опубліковано 2 лис 2016
- In Harry Potter and the Order of the Pheonix Harry and friends come across a mysterious veil in the Department of Mysteries. We know Sirius dies when he passes through it, but we never get a good explanation for what the Veil really is... UNTIL NOW!
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You had one chance of titling the video "The veil - unveiled!"
ScarletGhost a wasted opputinity
Jacob Rickayzen you had one chance to spell opportunity.
surely "Un-Veiled" would have been better?
I read "tilting the video" and I was like wut
Wojteł_ i Can tilt the video
In an ocean of shitty fanservice theories ("Hermione is Harry's sister! Dumbledore is a time-traveling Ron!"), you really deserve a slow clap. This is easily one of the most intelligent theories I've seen in a while. Even if she denies it, it's still great headcanon.
Roger França those are two actual theories?
Marvel Gilbreath Yeah. You'd be surprised at how much bullshit some fans believe.
Lol, those theories sound hilarious! Rofl!!!😂
Drawing with a doodler You called me?
no.
Maybe the bridge on the story is actually a metaphor for the Veil, they dicovered how to go to the other side without dying, without death's permision. And from there on they recieve al of the knowledge necesary to create everything else. Almost as a gift from death it self.
THIS IS THE DEFINITELY THE ANSWER TO THIS THEORY😨
I totally agree with you
Same is a good guess but we can't be shour
OH MY GOD YES
@@henrypeel8851 sure*
The Veil as a "pre-Resurrection Stone," the pensieve as a "pre-Invisibility Cloak," and the Mirror of Erised as a "pre-Elder Wand" is a VERY cool concept. Well done.
I was thinking that maybe the wood used for the mirror might've been the wood used to make the wand.
Cool
This made me thinking. What if the only way to safely pass through The Veil safely to the other side is by wearing Harry's invisibility cloak, The Elder Wand is the only wand that can work on that side of The Veil and The Resurrection Stone is the key to return back to this side of The Veil. That would make the owner of the three Hallows to be the Master of Death.
Fahmi Adzfar this is genius!!
So genius!
Damm... that's good.
Dumbledore is often seen extracting his thoughts with his wand to put into the pensive. And what wand does he have? The Elder wand of course.
That is so genius!
Sirius's birthday being on November 3rd is so sad. Imagine him on his 22nd birthday; he's been in Azkaban two days, his best friends were just murdered three days ago, they're probably having or had a funeral which he can't even be at, his other best friend is a traitor and murderer, and he can't go see his last best friend or the child of his other two friends because he's IN AZKABAN being tortured by dementors.
Also that he can't watch his cousin grow up and go to Hogwarts.
Um, his cousins mentioned in the books where Narcissa Malfoy, Bellatrix Lestrange, and Andromeda Tonks. He only liked Andromeda and they probably went to school roughly the same time as each other. Are you thinking about Harry, who is Sirius' godson?
Imogen Howard and don't forget Andromeda's daughter Nymphadora Tonks or just Tonks.
Or were they sisters? Hmm I can't remember.
Wait, Lily and James were only 20-21 when they had Harry?? They would be so young.
I always kinda of thought that those three items had something else in common: they are barriers. The Pensieve is the barrier between past and present, the Mirror of Erised is the barrier between wishes and reality, and the Archway (the most obvious) is the barrier between the dead and the living.
Great point! @SuperCarlinBrothers take a look at the comment above.
Dumbledore called the room with the veil,"the death chamber". That makes one think since the veil is surrounded by seats it was used for executions. I guess the Ministry stopped that practice since being imprisoned by dementors was a punishment worse than death.
I always thought that the Veil and the Cloak were two parts of the same cloth. One shields the wearer from Death, the other shields the Dead from the living.
wow that's totally interesting! but then, how did they come to be? If the legend is just an excuse for the creation of the hollows (most probably so) then it would mean the peverell brothers created it... or did they just manage to cut a little part away?
lol
Morgyborgyblob that’s a reasonable explanation
Morgyborgyblob This is a GREAT thought!
Ohh ö that’s such a good idea I never thought of that!
when Sirius died a bit of my soul did too
Grant Hemana same here
Grant Hemana same he is my favorite well Luna too
So he was your Horcrux?
+Oregon
Awesome comment...
I feel you fam
I just realized that the department of mysteries in Harry Potter is basically just the SCP foundation. They contain things in a building and study them while also protecting people from things such as the veil. Also, they're literally called the "Department of *Mysteries* ".
It's also forbidden to talk about the stuff as unspeakables are named for that fact
Don't forget Neville was "intrigued" by the veil he can see Thestrals also
That was Luna Lovegood
How many ministry of magic workers had to go through the veil until they figured out it killed you?
that literally made me lol
thanks
Instinctive knowledge so none I guess. As noone from the DA walked through it and somehow knew not to open it or look into it.
At least three. The second went to rescue the first, the third brought a rope.
This reply made me laugh more than the comment :)
oof never thought of that
the brothers could be much older than Hogwarts If they were born in Godric's Hollow before it was named Godric's Hollow. the original place could have had another name lost to time or it may have been that there were so few residents in the beginning that it had no name to start with.
+Fox Bunny true, but they aren't, they were born in the 1200's and Hogwarts was founded around 900 AD
SuperCarlinBrothers
Ah, I forgot that fact. Im glad you guys are on top of this ;)
Maybe Godric was named after the village?
What about time travel? ...
Because if you are the most shrewd brother, where better to hide your memories than in the past...
+SuperCarlinBrothers, they were born in the 1200's according to the movie. Although I like parts of your theory, you shouldn't overlook the fact that the movies (although fun) often include these kind of details on their own, without input from JK.
I also think that the myth being called "unsubstantiated" by Rowling wouldn't mean it's not true. She often drives home the point that myths are always based on real events. Calling it unsubstantiated just adds to the mystery and causes a lot of (interesting) discussion about it.
It's also worthwhile to see how the Mirror closely resembles the stone: they both show you what a lot of people want most desperately: their deceased loved ones. I rather think the object formed an inspiration to the Peverell brothers, rather than that it was their creation.
I would just like to say that as history progresses you get an interesting phenomenon- multiple names for the same place. Just because he was born in “Goodrich Hollow” doesn’t meant that it was called Godric’s Hollow at the time he was born.
also, it could have been named after Godric before he made Hogwarts he was still a pretty amazing wizard even without creating a school
lol goodrich hollow i bet that was autocorrect
“Beyond the veil” has been a euphemism for death and the afterlife for centuries. Rowling, ultimately, was just turning an ancient idiom into a story prop.
I love the mystery of the veil and dislike that movie Bellatrix used the killing curse. It doesn't make sense. Harry fully expected Sirius to jump up from the other side at any moment, calling for him in increasing desperation. If he was hit with the killing curse, the entire thing would've been very clear.
The books rule. You are entirely correct. He was confused as to why Lupin was holding him back, and why Sirius wasn't coming. He had a speech inside his head about Sirius. Also, Luna made me feel better at the end, when she said that Sirius wasn't dead, he just couldn't return from the veil. Then there was the mirror. Maybe the veil blocked wizard-wifi, or he just didn't have it with him. Harry Potter is so intricate! I love it!!!!!!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
SmartyPants Hermione Sirius didn‘t had the mirror, when he had it Aberforth couldn‘t get it from Mundungus
This is what Harry was thinking.
They used the killing curse to remove the ambiguity of the Veil. The couldn't explain everything around the Veil in the movie, so having Bellatrix use the Killing Curse removes that. Harry calling out to Sirius, begging him to return I think is just a grief thing.
That's why I hate the movies!
It's been a while, so if this is a silly question, forgive me. But...what if only humans can't cross the veil, in real or spirit form? And what if the Dementors themselves came from the veil? They're not human, and look kinda like dark veils themselves. Or maybe the Ministry used some magic FROM the veil to create The Dementors (and then went "Oh crap, we better not mess with this anymore, something worse might come through")? And that's why Harry always froze up around them, like the other three magic objects?
the ministry didn't create dementors. There's this dark wizard that owned Azkaban, hàd hordes of dementors, and when he died, the MoM took it as a prison.
But where did the COME from? They could still be from the Veil, in theory. And I misspoke when I said MoM, I meant the Wizards of old, who were in power.
Yeah but the veil has been there as long as the ministry of magic so if the dementors were created from the veil by some random dark wizard it would have been below the government building and they'd certainly know.
I like your theory though, it would be cool, but it doesn't fit =/
Izumi R. Keyuko
Jaruuuuugamaaa They were here before the Ministry took control of Azkaban, so someone had to create them (or take them) from a veil that was already controlled by the Ministry without anyone of them knowing. Hardly possible, I think.
"I built a portal but none of us can go in or they'll die. Also nobody can go through the other way" Thats just a magical meatgrinder, isnt it?
2:21 JK Rowling probably just brought up Hogwarts when giving the age of the Ministry to provide some context. This lets us know that the building is less than 1000 years old.
8:26 The Peverell brothers could have been born in Godric's Hollow before the birth of Godric Gryffindor, it just might have been called something else back then
That was my thought about the brothers and Godric’s Hollow
Same. A town's name can be changed
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So they had the race purist stuff a worm down there after they built the school on top of the pebble of life.
Explains many things
Gryffindor and Slytherin both would have been descended of Peverells.
Gryffindor of the Brother with Cloak and Slyntherin of the Brother with Elder wand.
Thereby Potters descended of Gryffindor and Gaunts of Slyntherin.
Also would explain traits of Slyntherin as determination and obsessed with power like the Elder Peverell brother.
Also Descendants of Gryffindor fighting with descendants of Slytherin.
The veil kills you, and we can confirm that by the lego game. If you try to run through it in the game you just die
Vladimir Putin This is the evidence we needed.
The Lego Game is more canon than the books, and we all know it.
What lego game?
cmon SmartyPants Hermoine, the lego game that the books are based on. Lego Harry Potter: Years 1-4
Never heard if it. Why only 1-4?
there should make a movie and the origins for the three brothers and those items..
Andros the warrior High Alpha even just a short
There should be a movie on every single detail of the Harry Potter series
the explanation has to be a good one to lose the mystery and not just piss off the fans :P
The Fantastic Beast movies might actually go over that, so let's all hope it happens. Especially since we're gonna be seeing a young(er) Grindelwald and Dumbledore with the Elder Wand.
“Why mention Hogwarts?” It’s not like it’s the most iconic location in the story and great for references...
DarthAlphaTheGreat exactly
Idkk but i don't think I agree but i have no reason to.
That's a terrible reason to just bring up Hogwarts for no reason in response to a completely unrelated question.
@@thegreatfusili4673 it is a good point of reference
Mecca MacCaden it’s actually a good timing reference as we know hogwarts was founded in the 10th century so anything older is over a thousand years old and anything younger hasn’t reached that age yet
Don’t forget that Neville can also see the thestrals and hear people speaking behind the veil. In the movie it’s just Harry and Luna that see and hear but in the book we can see that it’s Harry, Neville and Luna. But other wise I like this theory.
I'm a little confused when did anyone ever mention that Hogwarts was older that the brothers? I always assumed it was the other way round
And remember, that Godrics Hollow was named after him, after he was getting so famous, but he was BORN there, or not? So that village already existed, and was just renamed
So isn't it possible and more likely, that the brothers were just buried at a village that LATER became Godrics hollow?
yeah i was thinking the same thing, villages getting renamed isnt rare.
I though so too, but seems like we know when they lived. Hogwards war founded 990 and the Peverell brothers lived in 13th century. Although I couldn't verify that in the books since I do not have them.
Elvirr Feen it isnt said in the books.
@@xJonnaax It's said on Pottermore
Makes sense.
i always thought the veil was a sort of magical method of capital punishment. Like it was used to execute people in the past, but in the modern era, capital punishment is highly frowned upon and is not used, especially since they have Azkaban.
I do like this theory, though.
Jenni Locke Wow, this brings a big point; but first, have you seen Fantasic Beasts
MrG6051 I have not yet seen it, no. Too busy with work and stuff :0 i'm pretty much 100% spoiled on the general plot, though.
Well, I don't want to ruin the movie with this particular issue of you haven't the movie.
MrG6051 I probably won't see it until it's out on DVD, and I'll still see it even if it's already been spoiled for me. I don't mind spoilers that much tbh.
Ok. Well in the movie, the American ministry sentences the main characters to death and uses this giant pool of a Death Potion. So yes we have proof that the ministries DID once sentence wizards to death
“Today is Sirius’ birthday today, so *naturally* we are going to be talking about what killed him.”
Also Godric's hollow was named after Godric gryffindor but people used to live there before him so the peverells could still have lived there
Yeah, the argument is sort of like saying that anyone born in Victoria, Australia pre-1810's because queen Victoria was born in 1819.
Which based off the sheer amount of aboriginal tribes in that state alone we know that people definitely lived in that state _before_ Queen Victoria was born
I FIGURED IT OUT!!!
When Dumbledore is talking to fudge he says “you will find several escaped death eaters contained in the death chamber” the room with the veil in it. When the ministry sentences you to death, just like in fantastic beasts and where to find them, you are escorted to the room and killed. The difference is the method. In Fantastic beasts you are lowered into a pool of what I assume is drought of living death. And just like the thestrals, the voices can only be heard through the veil by someone who has witnessed death, that’s why Luna and Harry are so attracted to it because they have both seen the thestrals too. I have a whole theory on this so if you have any questions let me know
Lpl Setsfall this is the answer for sure. In OOTP, there have been many references of Harry and Luna having connections to witnessing death, while the others around cannot. In the department of Mysteries veil ‘death room’, you can clearly see the arch is placed in a centerpiece like the center of a colosseum, with seating all around it. I’m sure the ministry repurposed this ‘nasty archway’ to be a death room like in fantastic beasts... I love supercarlinbrothers, but their theory is much too stretched, and there is no way the pensieve and the veil could be connected
I would love to hear your theory, as you're really on to something already
But I thought that the death sentence in England was the Dementor's Kiss. Even so, I find this very intresting; what is the gloo thing in the death pool of the american ministry of magic? Was it there since the beggining like the veil or is something made by wizards? How and why the substance shows you happy memories while "eats" you? Hm, many questions...
I think it's both a death sentence chamber (hence the atrium-like structure with seats for spectators) and kind of a lab where death, afterlife and a possible return from it is a matter of research
How does that tell us who created it or where it came from or even how it works? That just tells us it's a known room of death with the veil in it
I have a question, what if you throw a horcrux into the veil?
Raesyad Adhiatma Wiwanto yaaaaaas why is harry so dumb
... Argh, my comment disappeared, but it would die as a human would.
Raesyad Adhiatma Wiwanto what if you throw the STONE into the Veil!?!? What!?!?
That is what fanfiction is for, but it's an interesting question:)
It should not work on a technicality. What the series fails to explain is that in order to kill a horcrux, you need to meet two requirements. It needs to be a simultaneous physical and magical destruction. The magical element of said method must be destructive enough like cursed fire & basilisk venom to kill the Horcrux part, and the physical side of the method must be destructive to the physical body. Harry had to stab the sword into the locket and pierce it despite the fact that it was already impregnated with venom. If the sword's flat side was caressed or slightly tapped onto the locket's face, it still wouldn't die.
Assuming that the veil claims the soul, throwing a diadem through an archway wouldn't actually destroy it right? Sirius body floated out of view when he entered the veil so I don't think the physical body would perish hence not meeting the physical requirement. I would assume that the horcrux will just exist on the unknown side of the veil.
My mum passed away a couple of years ago. I was devastated and of course I still miss her a lot. Whenever I’ve thought of her as being dead, particularly in the months after her death, The Veil has always come to mind. It’s just that feeling that she’s right there, just out of reach, and there should be some way of getting in touch with her.
I suppose the fact that I live in the house that we shared and that I see objects belonging to her and photos of her every day makes that connection particularly strong. Also, the graveyard where my mum is buried is less than a mile from where I live.
At the same time I’d sort of know, logically, that there’s no way I can reach her now. Although I was raised Catholic, I’m not at all religious now and I don’t really believe that there is an afterlife, although I’m not so sure about that now. I guess the idea of her being in Heaven or some form of afterlife doesn’t give me any comfort because it’s more the day to day things that I miss about my mother.
I’d be interested to know if anyone else who has lost someone can relate to this.
What is the point of reducing your mother's fate to how it affects you. I know you don't see it like that but it's unbelievably selfish. Think of it as
"Why do I care if I donate to an orphan in Africa. Yeah they're well fed and happy but I don't see it so it doesn't benefit me".
You're going to die one day too. Death is guaranteed, but heaven isn't. If anything, you should be more hopeful you will reunite with her one day
Ignotes Peverel: “this invisibility cloak is the most powerful in the world. Even death can be thwarted by it!”
Moody: “haha, googly eye go brrrrrrr”
Why didn't death just use the mauraders map?
@@rammingspeed5217 that’s only in hogwarts
This is slowly but steadily becoming one of my favorite channels. I find all of these theories really interesting, but I don't have time to research them my myself. So thanks for saving me the trouble and making my lunches more interesting ;)
+Brickomotion haha thanks! And you are quite welcome!
SuperCarlinBrothers why is it called the towel section
Mega Trump probably because the way the brothers are situated in their videos, the comments section would fall at around crotch AKA towel level.
Kylo Ren watch *insert number* uses of a towel by the supercarlinbrothers. It will explain
Brickomotion o
There seriously needs to be a tv show about the Harry Potter universe. It would be so good.
For the past several years i have been attempting to piece together the history of the wizarding world. Honestly it really makes no sense. The historical inconsistencies are myriad and seem to permeate literally every instance of the franchise where specific dates or cultural communities are mentioned. This has led me to the conclusion that to have all the answers would destroy the beloved franchise.
@@colterwebb6382 a tv show doesn't mean it gives all answers.... we have no clue about castelobruxo either than a mention in the books for instance. the wizarding world stretches through time and space, there is so much that there will always be questions. Who are the heirs of the founders? etc etc
@@raphmateus honestly the heirs of the founders i not evem the most complicated historical position to be in. You realize the the olivander wand company is older than Aristotle. Ron needs an Agripa chocolate frog card, agripa was octavian Augustus' general. Such connections provide huge historical inconsistencies
@@colterwebb6382 yes it doesn't mean that Ollivander himself is that old. It means that his family discovered the secrets of wand lore thousands years ago. Also... Don't forget that wizards led a parallel life to the muggles and the earth population was very small compared to nowadays, it was easy to live undetected (until the witch Hunt which forced wizards to go underground). Aggripa... Is Cornelius Aggripa from the 15-16th century.
The Muggle counterpart denounced Witch-hunt practices and denied the existence of Wizards. In the Wizarding community they believe he has been imprisoned by Muggles for his writings.
I don't know which real inconsistencies you are mentioning :)
But otherwise, if I could request a full book from JK Rowling, it would have unequivocally be the Biography and adventures of Nicolas Flamel as he has been alive for almost 7 centuries.
He has seen or heard about every single Triwizard tournament. He has been to Beauxbatons. He has discovered the secrets of alchemy, has fought evil most of his later life and belonged to the original Order of the Phoenix! He has also met and saw prominent wizards such as Aggripa you mentioned, be born and die. He is the biggest anchor to knowledge in the Wizarding World !
Siriusly*
Ben: Today is Sirius Black's Birthday!!!
Me: AWE YAY!
Ben: Let's talk about his death!!!
Me: awe no
I've wondered if you could get a ghost to pass through the veil, what would happen?
Since wizards that die have the choice of staying in the world of the living as a ghost or of "passing on", I think that the veil would make a ghost "pass on" by going through it
I have a theory. After watching Fantastic Beasts (SPOILER ALERT!!!!) We know that when Newt and Tina were death sentenced they were going to be drowned in a weird pool thing, which looks oddly like the veil. We find out that when someone touches the pool they die. What if the veil was used for death sentences like in Fantastic Beasts? It would kinda be like an execution room. So I think when Bella hit Sirius with the curse he died not because she used "Avada Kedavra" but because he fell into the veil, which kills people.
TheSillySquirrel apparently that pool is acid not a veil thing
Also we don't see Sirius get burned up like the chair did
it's like an acid pensieve
+Theminingmonkey But this "Swooping Evil"-thing touched the pool, causing the memories and stuff to get darker. I think, this also caused the chair to burn... They wouldn't use a new chair for every single death sentence, would they? Therefore this pool could still be a sort of veil... maybe
also, in the times of the knights witches were drawer or burned
What if Sirius' full name was, Sirius Lee Black
You sir, have my vote for president.
Tiger lover best fan theory I've ever read. Completely fool proof. Undeniable evidence.
Tiger lover
Probably not, because that would require Orion and Walburga Black to have a sense of humor.
lmfao
Siriusly? 😑😂
if you use the egyptian and greco concept of a river, crossing or travelling on a river was the passage to the afterlife. So from your vid i assume the analogy of a bridge could easily be a portal to the afterlife (death)
9:13 Well, I guess it's a good thing Hermione took Ancient Runes, then. LOL.
Glad the mystery is finally unveiled.
Johan van Essen hahahahahaha!
I respect you
Luka Cule
dasa goo one
lol u just made my day!
I know this will get lost and idk if you have this in your video, but in the seventh book, while Harry is in Sirius's room he finds a letter from Lily to Sirius. He observes that Harry and his mother both write their g's the same way and each one is like a little wave from BEHIND A VEIL!
OMG
WTF MY MIND IS BLOWN
Woow😲
Allen M Holy shit
How can I verify this statement. B.T.W I am not fun at parties.
Harry and Luna are NOT the only ones who can see thestrals, Neville can too
How?
@@camellivesmatter yup, umpire(dont correct me I know I'm wrong) asked him in their Care of Magical Creatures class
@@emmadurrant8288 he saw his grandpa die
*Important Question:* Where was the Mirror of Erised discovered?
Yo momma discovered it
Wow, I'm loving this theory! Specifically the part about the connection between the veil and the stone. (The pensieve-cloak/mirror-wand parts are a bit more shaky)
Re the thestrals - I think you have it a bit backwards. Mastering them is not mastering death. Dumbledore makes it clear that mastering the FEAR of death is what makes you master death. The thestrals are creatures of the link between life and death, but are actually harmless. The use of their tail hairs would surely give the wand an other-worldly quality, but not actually master death alone, as we see clearly in the story.
Now, I'd like to add something to the theory:
The veil is clearly a portal to the world of the dead, one you can hear into once you've yourself established that connection within yourself (another symtom of which is seeing the thestrals). What if we assume that the portal existed before? There are actual legends of portals to Heaven and Hell in the living world, located in specific and known places. What if it was Cadmus (or all the brothers) who had *discovered* it and decided to mark it by the use of the veil so that one would not just get "sucked in"? It would make all the sense in the world to build the Department of Mysteries around it, and then all the other departments over, to hide it, once the location had been clearly marked.
Now here's the biggie: What if that was what actually PROMPTED the 3 brothers to create the hallows in the first place? Perhaps it made them understand the connection between life and death, and made them use their own abilities to fight death? To Antioch's understanding, he would distance himself from death by becoming invincible, so he created an all powerful wand. To Cadmus, the way to defeat death would be by allowing people to return, so he created the stone as a return pathway through the veil (I'd assume he was most intrigued by the veil, and the others didn't set much to store by that particular point. Perhaps it was his pride - he challenged Death at its own doorway). Ignotus, however, understood the power of life and death were beyond his control (a very religious concept) and so he distanced himself from death by HIDING from danger until such time as he felt that he was no longer afraid. This works with the lyrical theme of the Tale of the Three Brothers as their respective qualities are outlined.
Please look into this idea, I think this could make a great followup video!!
manz wrote a whole essay
The veil is such an underdeveloped part of the Harry Potter series. Yes, it is assumed to kill you and is a certain mystery-as it’s in the Department of Mysteries-but no one really knows what its purpose is.
camhasproblems i
Tell me one moment you see it "kill someone". And dont say Sirius - he was killed by Bellatrix's killing curse...
Willow Scammell Not in the books. He just merely fell through due to a stunning spell and then the veil "fluttered like in a high wind and then fell back into place"
Thats why this video was made
Your comment is redundant
Lutece, yeah, he is indeed just felling through it. Some people should really read the books. But i can't blame them either, they changed so much in the movies :-)
Dumbledore called it the death chamber after fudge saw Voldemort what if it’s just an execution platform
WOAH.... You must have put a hella lot of thought into this...😮😮😮.. this definitely deserves a million likes
I know they were born in Godrics Hollow but isn't it possible they were born before it was known as that? And therefore before hogwarts was built? Also explaining the ancient runes?
It's not possible coz dates show that Hogwarts was built much before the peverell brothers.
I believe they were born long before godrics hollow was renamed for its most famous son. After all people were born in cities like; Jackson, Lincoln, and Washington, long before they were renamed for America’s famous sons.
I was thinking this exactly.
Peverell brothers: after 1000 AD
Hogwarts: around 900 AD
HOGWARTS IS OLDER THAN THE PEVERELL BROTHERS BOIIII
Makes you wonder what Godrics Hollow was called when Godric was born 😅
I wonder if maybe they didn't create the 'pre-deathly hallows' but instead found them and were inspired. (This is assuming they went to Hogwarts) Antioch could have seen the mirror while at Hogwarts and, like many others, became obsessed with getting what he saw in the mirror. Cadmus could have stumbled upon the veil by accident and decided to try and find a way to allow him to bring someone from the other side of the veil back. And Ignotus could have seen the pensieve while at Hogwarts and, like you said, became inspired to make someone invisible in the present.
It seems more reasonable to me!
Hallie Ramos Hogwarts was founded after these brothers died...it wasn't there in their time..
@karishma rao No, Hogwarts was founded before them because one of them lived in Godric's Hollow, named after Godric Gryffindor, one of the founders of Hogwarts.
+Will Geers it wasn't necessarily called Godric's Hollow in his time, the location has definitely existed longer than the name
This is exactly what I was thinking and I feel like it would make more sense.
Good job on the reference to the incredibles
“Coincidence?
I think not!”
Did anyone else notice how much Ben blinks?
I blink that much aswell 😂
Jesus, *YOU’RE* *RIGHT* O.O
O.O
Yep.
Contact lenses can make you blink a LOt
hey I have a theary, is it possible that voldimort failed to be able to use the three relics not because he hasnt disarmed or killed the previous owners, but becaues he refuses to accept death.
when he tries to use the stone it rejects him by hiding in a place he couldn't reach, the mirror. voldimort's deepest desire was to not die, and since he can't die he could never see the stone.
the wand the grants your deepest desire, when he tries to use it, it starts to crack because like before his deepest desire at that point is to rule everything but he shut himself away from death meaning he can't rule it so the wand starts to break.
finally the cloak that hides the user from death the only relic that voldimort would actually want exept that he doesn't think to obtain it because it goes against his purpose. in death you are know but not seen, when alive you are seen not known. voldimort wants the best of both to be seen and known, in attempting to break the requirments the cloak hides it's self with the one person who can keep it hidden Dumbledore.
Harry thow has accepted death into his life, why the stone shows its self to him. why the cloak ends up in his hands and why the wand falls to him. he accepted death into his life for so long that the relics see him as another person suitable for there proper use.
For the stone part, are you talking about the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone? If so, you'll have to rework that portion pretty heavily.
The Resurrection Stone is _not_ the Philosopher's Stone.
Thestrels aren't just related... They are theorized to be what Deathly hallows are birthed from:
The Thestrel IS seemingly DEATH in the story.
The Elder Wand is fueled by the hair of the Thestrel. Fueled by death and powerful. It is also the only wand of it's kind.
The Resurrection Stone is created from the Thestrel's Heart. Born from death yet bringing life.
The Invisibility Cloak is the hide of the Thestrel, the creature is unseen just like the cloak.
I used the word 'Theorized' :P
Nexius Reign dumbledore is death
He represents death in the re-iteration of it but he isn't the original death.
but if the cloak is the hide of the thestrel wouldnt harry be able to see it if soneone else wore it?
or am i just missing something?
Curtis Little There's only 1 invisibility cloak made by Death. At least from what I know.
How do you find the time to research, record, edit, and upload videos?! I can't even find time to do all my homework! You guys are LEGENDS!!!
I know right im struggling with all of my h.w
We know that Rowling loves threes and English mythology, so I think not only are the Deathly Hallows related to the Pensieve, the Veil, and the Mirror, but they're also related to Arthurian legend.
The Mirror/Elder Wand represents Caliburn, Arthur's enchanted sword which can be wielded only by the one who is most worthy -- and which was returned to the Lady of the Lake, who lives below what amounts to a giant mirror. The Pensieve/Cloak represents the Holy Grail, with its protective power and literally resembling a goblet filled with enchanted liquid. And the Veil/Resurrection Stone represents the Siege Perilous, the seat at Camelot's round table reserved solely for the blemishless knight who would one day retrieve the Holy Grail, and which will bring death to anyone else who sits in it.
Neat but tortured comparisons. I'm pretty sure the sword of Gryffendor would be the better comparison to Excalibur. And really, looking for Arthurian legend for inspiration seems a little suspect since the series of Merlin related profanities would suggest Authur might be part of Magical history for them, not just legend.
From a Jungian perspective, "King Arthur" is an archetypal figure which may have applied to several different historic periods and rulers ranging from the Bronze Age to the Medieval Period. This means that within the Harry Potter narrative the real Arthur/Merlin might be quite separate from the legend. It likewise means Rowling may be making the connections unconsciously, adapting the Arthurian narrative into her own.
I don't think the deathly hallows (at least not all of them) are based on the arthurian legend's part, but there is definitely connections between harry potter and these legends. Like the way harry finds the sword in the sorting hat because he is a true gryffindor is a perfect mirror to the way Arthur is the only one to be able to take the Excalibur out of the rock because he's the only one worthy of it, although both of them are kids not expected to be heroes at the time.
But your comparison of the veil and the stone with the siege perilous is a really good interpretation, I never thought about that but it's truly possible! And don't forget that Arthur is lead by the lady of the lake, and he's the only one that can see her. Like Harry is the only one who was able to see Sirius, Remus and his parents that lead him until the end.
Although I'm wondering this: in the legend, Arthur is not the one finding the holy grail, but he's the one launching the quest. He accompanied by Merlin like Harry is accompanied by Dumbledore, and the one that finds the Grail, Percival, is a knight that Arthur helped by keeping him in his circle of "knights of the round table"... can this apply to someone like Neville who was trained in the DA by Harry, and who is the one that destroyed the last horcruxe by killing Nagini, making victory possible? Or can this apply to another member of the DA?
@@naloriel9 Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore. Does the name help with understanding the thinking is correct? Albus got his second name from his father, Percival Dumbledore, so the name runs in the family. Also, Helga Hufflepuff's cup is grail like. And it's said that Hufflepuffs are good at finding things :)
@@NoJusticeNoPeace In that case maybe she is using the legend of Sigurd/Siegfried of the Volsung Saga or Nibelungenlied which has even more similarities. Odin (whom one of his realms is death) plunges the sword Balmung/Gram/Nothung into a tree, proclaiming that whoever receives it will find no sword better. Sigurd pulls the stone from the tree... Later on he slays the dragon Fafnir, bathing in the blood and himself becoming invulnerable (bar a small spot where a leaf was stuck to his body). Of course he also has a special cloak that renders him invisible. Siegfried also is later then murdered in a dishonorable method and his sword is stolen.
Don't have a specific spot for the resurrection stone to this... Also Siegfried died before his wife (and it was she who eventually avenged his death), but still...
Volsung Saga and the Arthurian Legends have a large amount of crossover/similarities to them.
PS to the original person. Caliburn/Excalibur/Caledfwlch/Caliburnus was gifted to Arthur by the Lady in the Lake after the sword he pulled from the stone was broken while fighting King Pellinore.
'IS THE MINISTRY OF MAGIC A DICTATORSHIP?'.
Guys, can you do a video on this question...........?
“Dumbledore was offered the job multiple times, Fudge was sacked / forced to resign and then replaced by Scrimgeour and Kingsley was appointed acting Minister. That implies that it’s not a democracy, so who chooses the Minister and how?”
SPREAD THE WORD
When I read the books, I imagined that it worked like a shadow government, using the 'muggle' government as a template to work from. I imagined there being some kind of magic parliament, with the majority bloc of said parliament appointing members of the executive branch from its ranks- including, I imagined, the MM. That's basically how it works in the 'muggle' or real world UK gov't, and would explain the whole 'appointing' business.
It would probably be the Wizengamot that votes to appoint the Minister and they all voted for Dumbledore at multiple points but he said no.
Omer Farooq I think it's fascist because think about it. The Ministry of Magic technically controls the muggle world too because they ERASE the memories of muggles who have "no right to see magic" like we're some objects and the muggle government has no say in it! They even have laws regarding muggles and basically the muggle government is a puppet for the Ministry of Magic since the Minister of Magic sometimes speaks to the Prime Minister and sometimes plants his own kind within the muggle government. I'm surprised that the Prime Minister, muggle-borns, and muggles related to wizards aren't disturbed by the fact that the MoM ERASES THE MEMORIES OF THEIR OWN KIND! They might say that they care about muggles but if they really did then they wouldn't erase their memories and because WHAT RIGHT DO THEY HAVE and there would be no need to segregate themselves from muggles and keep themselves a secret if they can't help that a muggle sees magic once a year!
And then there's Cornelius who only cares about power and takes away freedom of speech and creates lies about Harry and Dumbledore so he can have more power and is personally controlling the school and doesn't care if Umbridge tortures kids as long as no one knows he can get away with it and didn't give Harry or anyone he's put to trial veritserum to prove their innocence or guilt. THEY DON'T NEED EVIDENCE OR WITTINESSES IF THEY HAVE A POTION THAT CAN FORCE PEOPLE TO TELL THE TRUTH! Which means he wants the people he hates in Azkaban even though they're innocent and the people he likes or can give him more power with him even though they're guilty. I'm surprised he didn't order someone to obliviate Harry's memory so he wouldn't remember what happened in the graveyard or try to put an imperious curse on him even though Harry is pretty much immune to the imperious curse but they would try right? #theministryofmagicisfascist 😧
+NinjaKED12 There was a muggle vs. wizard war, and places like hogwarts exist to protect the wizarding world. Muggles won.
OMG WHAT IF THE CLOAK WAS WOVEN WITH THESTRAL HAIR
Bluejãy nope demiguise
It's not demiguise because in Deathly Hallows we find out that there are other invisibility cloaks out there, that are indeed made from demiguise hair. But they tend to wear out and stop working a lot of the time, they also are not protected against revealing charms the way Harry's (Ignotuses) is. So it very well could be thestral hair. BUT it leaves a sort of plot hole, if people who have seen death can see thestrals, why can't those same people see through the cloak?
It is thestral hair
Wouldn't that only make you invisible to some people? The people that have seen death would see a person walking around with a black cloth covering them (that gives me an amusing image in my mind of Harry walking around thinking he is invisible when he isn't). Also, since Herry has seen death how would he be able to see through it? Maybe thestrals were the inspiration and that by studying them Ignotus was able to figure out how to make things invisible to all people. I can see him using the thestral hair as the origin of the cloak and doing some additional magic to make the invisibility apply to all people. There is also the possibility that it changes properties when removed from the animal.
Couldn't Dumbledore see him? It would make a lot of sense, but someone would have to check every instance of Harry using the cloak for people who most likely saw someone die.
There's also the descriptions of the contents of the pensieve and the makeup of the invisibility cloak. Both are described as being silvery and liquid like. The pensieve gave off a silvery light and had a liquid/gas consistency: "like light made liquid, or wind made solid." The cloak was a silvery fluid like material that: "felt strange to the touch; like water woven into material." It's definitely conceivable that by studying the pensieve and the thestrals Ignotus created the perfect invisibility cloak.
I JUST NOTICED THAT THE VEIL IS A PORTAL TO DEATH SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RESURRECTED WITH THE STONE CAN GO BACK OMG
Except when Harry uses it he drops the stone, causing those he resurrected to vanish instantly.
So you're saying without the existence of the veil, the resurrection stone is not capable of working? :O
or the town could have been renamed later...
jamcdonald120 FINALLY! I was looking for someone with common sense here
You know what I realized that is kind of cool. Jk Rowling could say literally anything, anything, in an interview about the Harry Potter world and it would automatically become true. Like while she was getting ready for an interview she could literally just say to herself "today I am going to tell everyone that Harry has a secret long lost sibling." And from that moment on, despite anything conflicting with it, it would automatically be fact. Because she created that world that so many have come to love, herself. It's an amazing power and I really respect her.
that's a trope called "word of god", is an interesting topic to bring to the table, but is dangerous path to follow; authors must be very carefull with their words
+Kanna Vz.
Kind of a pun and a conundrum.
"Authors careful with their words."
I don't know, someone who like Tolkien creates this dense of a world - can pretty much say anything.
And it becomes truth.
And the readers just have to make it work, realize there are probably many more things about the Author's world we don't know.. and be glad that if the Author is still alive they can still impact it's truth/reality.
Cause that ability to have possible more unknowns, more story, dies with the Author - fanfiction or no
IMHO
I'm glad you got the pun :D, and yes they can, it's their story, but if there's a huge revelation (a plot relevant one) it can't be said by "wog", because it can be seen as an "ass pull" and the same author can be scrutinized for failing at storytelling, Imho if I were JKR and somehow give a press round saying "yeah, HP has a long lost brother" the fans and critics would destroy my social media; and ain't nobody got time for that :D
Except she didn't write it.
esrapk wtf yes she did. Don't discredit her
This is so good and it can apply such a fitting theory: Master of Death; going to the other side through the veil, surviving that and stick around there with the protection of the invisibility cloak, getting done what you desire with the elder wand, and having a return-savely-ticket with the resurrection stone.
Back in the real world you are the only one conquered Death and being called Master of Death because you have some things to say. Isn't this like so good?
Excuse me, but in the books Neville can see the thestrals too!! He watched his grandpa die! 😑
Give it a few hundred years... Harry potter will transcend the limits of fiction and become a myth..
harshada samant that'll probably happen. That's weird.
harshada samant I doubt it. It's not like that happens to every fictional character, some maybe but not all. Homer is not a legend, he is just a character. Also people told stories more than read them back in the day so there aren't books expressly showing that a story is fiction.
chevon1920 but Zeus ,troy ,Odysseus and all geek gods r myth n legends n that what homer stories r base on his story
NO
Maybe the dementors are so attracted to harry coz he has two souls as he's a horcrux and he passes out coz he's reliving both his and voldemort's worst memories
Crafting in a Corner with a Bookshelf as he is the 6th horcrux (nagini is the 7th) harry will have 0.015625 of a soul more to be exact
Unless Riddle had the for thought not to just cut his soul in half each time, and figured out how to cut a smaller portion from it for each one.
Harry is the Eighth Horcrux Voldemort only meant to create seven
RainbowWarrior Voldemort wanted to create seven because seven is a magical number
Harry is the 7th soul split, but there are 8 pieces of Voldemort's soul, including the.one he has inside of him.
2:04 Is it just me or were you expecting the intro at the end of that of sentence?
😂 I thought the same. I paused in what I was doing wondering why I didn't hear the intro, only to remember it already played.
I love your channel so much, I enjoy that you delve so deep into the wizarding world because it’s already so deep, I love that your able to go even further even if it is just a theory
I think the cloak could be made of Thestral hair...
but then people would still be able to see you under the cloak if they have witnessed someone "snuff it"
That's based on the assumption that the material would reflect the power expressed in raw form , even when refined by a masterful genius.
Even us non magic folk can create items that differ from or even betray their original properties.
ahh.. how could i forget that dragons are dangerous but dragon heartstring makes not so dangerous wands
But we know from "The Fantastic Beasts..." that the hair of a Demiguise is used to make invisibility cloaks.
True, but it also mentions that regular invisibility cloaks only last for a few years.
Dude your theories make so much sense, it really changes how i look on certain parts of HP
My theory about the veil is that the ministry was built around it so that they could have a way to execute criminals which is later replaced by a dementors kiss so the veil is just sitting there unkept.
Aralc 50 They can always just Avada Kedavra them though..
Jason Brody then they would be Hippocrates for executing evil doers with an ILLEGAL SPELL
This is my second favorite theory I've heard from you guys. The first being that jacob is a decendant of Helga Hufflepuff. As a Hufflepuff myself I have to admit I am a bit biased though. That being said, I had a few ideas to consider. Like what if the veil was the predecessor of the invisibility cloak(since passing through it, whether it kills you or not, makes your body disappear) the pensieve was the predecessor of the ressurection stone(because the pensieve allows you to see people you've lost but never interact with them but with the resurrection stone you could interact with them again) and that maybe the mirror of erised showed them how to make the hollows? We don't know the full extent of the power of the mirror so maybe if your heart's true desire is to know how to do or make something then maybe it can teach you?
When I first read deathly hallows and I heard the description for the spirits conjured by the resurrection stone, My first thought was the veil was related to the stone not as a precursor but as a complimentary piece. It can only be entered from this side but what happens if the dead are already here? The dead can't die. So would a spirit conjured by the stone be able to walk through the veil and pass through on the other(physical) side and thus no longer be separated by the veil(dead). After all if the veil is a physical representation of the border between the world's What happens if a spirit were to walk through it. We know that the stone keeps them here(even against their own will) until the summoner dies so the veil can't keep them. So if a spirit crosses the physical barrier and come through the veil completely does the veil no longer cover them?
moneytalks1219 Wow, that's a good theory! Never thought about that.
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That is an interesting theory. Maybe the veil is a passage way for ghosts/zombies who can't or refuse to cross over. Probably a good reason to build a ministry around it.
Or, perhaps the stone IS the key to walking through the veil... i mean, what are the odds of someone possessing the resurrection stone AND having the opportunity to cross through the veil? But regardless, i think you are right about the stone and the veil somehow being not precursors to each other but rather complimentary pieces that, when used together, might do things the wizarding world believed to be impossible.
I like the idea! with the stone you can pass to the other side and come back...?
Great theory mate! Loved it!
The imperfect invisibility cloaks could also be failed attempts
The red curse Bellatrix hit Sirius with was most likely a Stunning Spell.
Yea more than likely though I dont understand why Bellatrix didn't kill him.. not that I hate Sirius or anything just wondering. Any thoughts?
Maybe she wanted to keep him alive to deliver him to Voldemort so he chould blackmail Harry? XD Everyone knew that he had soft spot for Sirius...
IDk just a thought
Mushroommy A Snuff
+Zutaca I agree with both of you good theorys
No, it could't have been. Because if I recall correctly, Mrs. Weasley hit Bellatrix with the same spell in the last book, and it killed Bellatrix. So it was a curse that could kill, though it wasn't Avada Kedavra.
Gabriel Blacklock
it turned her to stone and the stone shattered
can we just sit and appreciate JK ROWLING. we study the wizarding world like we study world history. she literally created another world, so detailed, that when she writes/talks about it, it's similar to how a historian would write/talk about a real existing place with a rich intricate past. and all this came from ONE woman. god, she is amazing.
MangsyBoBangsy i still love the theory that she is rita skeeter exposing the magical world.
MangsyBoBangsy your right about saying God because that's her level
She is absolutely brilliant in every way, also because now there is a type of history I'm interested in and good at!
I securely wish that she continues expanding this amazing world she created and writes many more stories in it. More spin offs like Fantastic beasts would be amazing. XD
Reading this comment in 2023 and ho-boi this aged like milk-.
According to the Twitter cesspool anyway.
@Red oof💀 I forgot about this comment. Aged like milk alright.
About the red spell, could this be the same thing as snape killing Dumbledore with a blue beam not green. Or am I missing something?
Like if killing a family member would be red for some sort of a symbolic reason. Anyone have any ideas?
"A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest"
What ?
@@samylemzaoui2298 It was blue though
I mean in the films, where you get visuals
@@goodname67 The movies are already an adaptation, which contain changes to make it more watchable for viewers which are not that deep into the material.
There are always changes from book->movie and usually they make stuff more confusing. I'd either stick to the books or the movies, when talking about any universe otherwise you're bound to run into inconsistencies and contradictions.
@@goodname67 in the films they never say that avada kedavra is green. The films are just not that deep and to a random viewer, it makes no difference that the light is blue instead of green. To my knowledge, J.K Rowling didn't do the VFX for this movie, so it's not a problem. Litterally in the same movie we see dumbledore casually apparating in hogwarts so don't take it too seriously.
You are so smart and it must take ages to research for all these videos and I am a huge fan
JKR: It's the divide between life and death. I tried to do a nod to that in the Tale of Three Brothers - she was separate from them as though through a veil. You can't go back if you pass through that veil, you cannot come back. Or you can't come back in any form that will make either person happy anyway.
But when they surround that veil [in Order of the Phoenix], I was trying to show that depending on their degree of skepticism or belief about what lay beyond - because Luna, of course, is a very spiritual character. Luna believes firmly in an afterlife. She's very clear on that. And she feels them speaking or hears them speaking much more clearly than Harry does. This is the idea of faith. Harry thinks he can hear them; he's drawn on. But Harry's had a life that has been so imbued with death that he now has an uncharacteristically strong curiosity about the afterlife, especially for a boy of 15, as he is in Phoenix. Ron's just scared, as I think Ron would be - he just knows this is something he doesn't want to dabble with. Hermione, hyper-rational Hermione - 'can't hear anything, get away from the Veil.' So if you walk through the veil, you're dead.You're dead. What you find on the other side, well, that's the question.
Lucas Freitas your theory is cool, but there is a flaw. no matter how rational hermione is, in the Harry Potter books its very clear that the after life exists. Ghosts. Harry's parents appearing in important moments. So faith cant be the reason, cause everyone in the Magical World knows that the afterlife exists
carmen uljanicka however as Nick says in OOTP only those who are scared of death will become ghosts. I believe that only those who well and truly cannot comprehend the idea of dying and no longer existing can become ghosts; those in the Order of the Pheonix "know the risks" (as Molly says in OOTP) which means they understand the possibility of dying and no longer existing; they had already come to terms with death and accepted it would inevitably happen at some point. Harry's parents, Sirius, Severus, Lupin, Tonks, Mad-Eye, Fred and many more were in the Order, so this holds true.
The idea of the afterlife is more of the experience Harry faces in The Deathly Hallows when he meets Dumbledore in "Kings Cross Station". We know it's not the station, but perhaps the afterlife is only the misconception of living beyond death and merely a persons brain being alive, rather than a whole and synonymous body, like Nick, The Baron, Helena, etc.
So does this mean that Voldemort would have become a ghost since his greatest fear is dying? It's a bit hard to imagine, Voldy being a ghost haha..
Pam Chen
He would become a ghost if he never split his soul with horcruxes.
Hannah Bassett oh yea! No soul left
The Dread Wolf Fen'harel created the veil to banish the elven gods after they slew Mythal
Jake Budris you better stop
Jake Budris Love the games 😂
Thank you
Dragon age idk but sounds like it nice one
Once again: another mind-blowing theory that is immensely satisfying and thought-provoking.
Well done. Favorite video yet
What if the Peverell brothers are older than hogwarts and it just wasn’t called “Godric’s Hollow” when they lived there
They are not. According to what we know Hogwarts was founded in 990 AD. The brothers lived in the 1200s
2 Yeasrs late i know, but isnt it stated that Cadmus Peverell
comitted suicide? Couldnt it be just him trying the Veil himself not knowing what it really did?
Lukáš Richtárik I had the exact same thought!
I actually don't think so. Because I don't think, that his was an accident. I think he committed suicide and was fully aware of that, which doesn't mean didn't go through the veil. And that would be a way more wizardy way to commit suicide than hanging yourself. But I think it might be possible, that he found out that the veil, his own creation, was only a one way ticket to the realm of the daed by sending his love through it and therefore unknowingly sending her into her death. Of course I as the creator would rather take the risk myself than sending my love through it and risking losing her. And yet I as his love would want the exact same thing only the other way around for the exact same reason. So I would try to convince him to let me go through it instead of going himself. I might argue, that he who created the veil knows it far beeter than me (his love), so that in case that something would go wrong he would more likely be able to help me than the other way round. She might even threatened to kill herself in case he died during the experiment. And he blinded by his confidence boosted by her trust might be convinced by that. And he might anyway refuse to believe, that the veil, probably his whole life's work, is nothing more than a wizardy way to commit suicide (or a way to murder someone without leaving a body that cannot be detected by priori incantatem, because you only have to push your victim through it.) And after he realized what he had done he desperately tried, driven by his guilt and the loss of his love, to create a way to bring back the dead, (which I think wasn't his original idea for the veil. I think he might have only wanted to create some tool to explore and learn something about the realm of the daed or to communicate with or visit the dead.) And after successfully creating the stone he felt a natural high unlike anything he felt before. After years and years of work he finally had brought back his love, undid his guilt. He could be with her forever. But then, when he realized that she wasn't happy, that she was cold and seamed not to belong in this world, that he could not bring back the dead, that all these years and years of work to save her had been absolutely pointless, that his arrogance and foolishness had unchangeably killed his love, that HE had killed her and nothing in this world could change that, he fell in the deepest depression he had ever felt before. He lost the last spark of hope he had and decided to do the only he now believed could truly reunite them. He followed her through the veil.
Oh my God, that thing started being a simple speculation and ended up being a story..
Sorry for that.. ^^
Interesting theory! My thought was that his love died before he created the veil and that would be the reason why he's so obsessed with bringing back the dead. He created the veil as a portal to give her a way to come back, but she never did, and perhaps he could hear her whisper on the other side, leading him to the conclusion that even though she was there, she couldn't cross the veil, meaning it was a one-way through. He desperately tried to find another way (the stone and maybe others?) but never succeeded and in the end, decided to join her and cross the veil.
Also, according to another theory on this channel, the stone would only try to bring you to your own death, so if he summoned her that way, maybe she convinced him to join her in death.
I think he found he could see her but not be with her unless he went through so he knowingly killed himself chooseing to join her in death over living
I always thought it was a much simpler thing: Since the veil is surrounded by theatre-type seating and is itself on a "stage," I always just figured it was created for capital punishment in the early days of the Ministry. When someone was tried and found guilty enough to warrant death, they used the veil. (This was before Azkaban, I would guess.)
That is a very dark theory😨
I watch these during lunch at school. They’re really interesting and anytime you mention a main character 4 people come crowding my food.
I’m special xD
Could it have been possible, that Ignotus lived in Godrics Hollow before it was named Godrics Hollow? I mean the place may have existed before Godric Griffindor...
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Cressida Blackjay "Daughter of Zeus" ((Aka That Demigod Girl)) not that fast
Cressida Blackjay "Daughter of Zeus" ((Aka That Demigod Girl)) your name is unnecessarily long lol
Cressida Blackjay "Daughter of Zeus" ((Aka That Demigod Girl)) nice name lol
Same
Cressida Blackjay "Daughter of Zeus" ((Aka That Demigod Girl))
lol @ this
Another great video !
Did Antioch also create a “holy hand grenade” that should be thrown at the count of three, not two, not four (five is right out!), but three…?
Isn't the Pensieve introduced as "a pensieve" rather than "The Pensieve" - implying it is not a unique item? All five other relics are clearly individual, specific items even if lesser versions can be made. Other wands of elder wood had been made, they just weren't very good. Other invisibility cloaks had been made, they just weren't as good. The Veil, the Mirror, and the Stone are all completely unique, with no lesser versions of them discussed.
Or perhaps The Pensieve is just a superior version of other pensieves? The only people we see use the memory extraction spell are those associated with Hogwarts (Dumbledore, Snape, Slughorn), so we don't really know how widespread knowledge of the technique really is.
I can't recall exactly where, I think it was pottermore, but I remember reading that there are other pensieves that belong to wizards and they are very personal items. So much so that they are usually buried with them, but The Pensieve is one that is communally owned by Hogwarts, but no one used it as much as Dumbledore. So it might just be a superior version of the ordinary one, but it's definitely not the only pensieve around, even if it is special
Liam MacKay Same with the Invisibility cloak. Harry's is a special one, but it's not the only one around. It's merely superior to other ones.
willythemailboy2 there is also more than one resurrection stone, the philosophers stone for example is a lesser form of it
the philosophers stone cannot resurrect the dead it can only preserve what is already living, voldemort never died so he could still use the stone (that is if dumbledore hadnt destroyed it)
needless to say, the elder wand is not the only wand but a special one. ;)
Could I just remind everyone that time travel is a real thing in Harry Potter?
Levshu Whovian I was just thinking that! like maybe the youngest brother used a time turner and traveled back in time after he created the pensive
Levshu Whovian you can't really change the future in Harry Potter. Everything has already happened.
Domthe Zom scorpius and albus managed to change the future in a major way
Domthe Zom Yes, but you can go back in time to make sure something happens. Say, one could go back in time to leave the pensive on the spot that Hogwarts would one day be built. Much like Harry summoned his Potronous to insure he and Serious survive the Dementors.
I like this because it actually does cover that "hole" and gives both theories a more solid ground. Even you said it yourself Levshu, it is a self fulfilling prophecy essentially that brings Harry back to save him and Sirius.
I would love to see another video on the veil. I’m re-listening to Order and I noticed a few things: Neville can see thestralls which isn’t mentioned in this video. And while the book only mentions Harry and Luna being able to hear the whispers, it mentions Neville and Ginny being transfixed by it too. I just feel like there’s more there
I think that the veil just naturally exists on all worlds as a direct pathway to the afterlife.
His logic is all based on a single incorrect guess: That the reason why J.K. Rowling mentioned Hogwarts in the 2005 interview is apparently "random".
It's not. She mentioned it simply because Hogwarts is insanely old (1200 years), and she's just saying that though the ministry of magic isn't quite that old.
Though I do like the idea that the second brother, Cadmus, built the veil. Sounds like as good an origin story as any.
However, I thought the three brothers met Death who gave them each one present, which is the Deathly Hallows?
In the actual Beetle the Bard story the three brothers do meet Death but in actuality (and Dumbledore's guess) they were just extremely talented wizards who created the Hallows themselves.
well I believe that Cadmus created the stone after study the Veil. If he was that gifted wizard he could done this after years.
Also, "The veil has been there as long as the ministry has been there" doesn't necessarily mean it has been there LONGER. Probably not, or else she would have said it has been there longer, not as long. The statement would still make perfect sense if they built it at the same time as they built the ministry itself.
Following the theory that it is an execution method, this also fits.
Vousie V At first I thought that too. But if you think about how many parts of this theory make perfect sense, and then look at how many other times JK Rowling has created complicated but perfect hidden theories, it's quite possible that her mention of Hogwarts wasn't simply a comparison of age.
The "Godric's Hollow" flaw can be explained in a much simpler way: Godric's Hollow was renamed in honor of Godric Gryffindor, and the pervell brothers lived their prior.
This is also another really interesting theory. I like the mirror of erised, pensieve, and veil being precursors to the actual deathly hallows. It makes sense as people usually aren't successful in making new inventions on their very first try. This is really cool
Great video very explanatory.
I recently watched Toy Story 2 and I was wondering.....WHY don't the
Woody collectables in Al's office come alive like the other toys? Would
you do a video on this next? Thanks!
well they made a vid on how the toys can only work if they interact with people and in this case they just sit around
Stinky Pete never interacted with people and he still came to life
Taylor Bissett uhh yea he is right watch that
Spodermonkey What about the Buzz Lightyear that comes to life in Al's Toy Barn?
This question kept me from sleeping. But I think they don't come to life because they're not the full toys. Just accessories. I mean you never see woodys hat come to life. :)
I think you're right, but I don't think you're going far enough. If the youngest really desired to reach the past again, he would have done more than just make a cloak to invoke invisibility. I believe that he may have made the time turner, as well. A device made purely to reach the past.
Except according to this theory, he didn't really want to reach the past, the Pensieve was simply something used to look at the past more clearly, he realized what an advantage being invisible was, and made the invisibility cloak, at no point (according to this theory) was time travel involved or his desire)
Time turner + invisibility cloak = Pensive that can influence the past
Unless Time-Turners already existed and he wanted to be able to see the past without going there. Get around the weakness that is meeting yourself in the past.
wasnt it the fifth book, when they were at the ministry?
Chris Gomez
Yes