Analysing The Chilling Parallels Between Garnet/Kuja
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In our latest "parallels" video, we are exploring the weird similarities that exist between the stories of Garnet Til Alexandros XVII and Kuja, two of the more important characters that feature in Final Fantasy IX
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hijacking the rare FFIX video to encourage any music nerds like me out there to go listen to the best song from the game: "Roses of May". The distant worlds version is incredible. One of Uematsu's many masterpieces.
"Not Alone" and "Vamo Alla Flamenco" are pretty good too
Kate Covington has a few FFIX covers (with lyrics) which may be worth listening to as well, one of my favourites is "Not Alone."
Melodies of life for me. That song has a lot of deep meaning after playing the game.
Assault of the Silver Dragons
You're not alone is such a good track and the point in the game it plays is so heartwrenching. All Zidanes friends coming to his aid and telling him they believe in him, even Steiner who only showed him disdain until right about that point. It's one of the best moments in final fantasy period imho
I also always found the parallels between Zidane and Vivi interesting. Both these characters learn that they were created for the purpose of destruction, but they both react to this revelation very differently. Zidane withdraws into himself and pushes his friends away, while Vivi sort of understands that he can still be whoever he wants to, so he chooses to be a person who protects his friends. I always loved that the younger character has the more mature reaction
Also the fact Vivi dies at the end of FF9 after learning how short the Black Mage’s lifespan is. Then, in Pandemonium Garland basically tells Zidane he’s immortal.
Vivi had internalized his agency, having already had it questioned over and over again throughout his story. Zidane had learned to rely on his agency such that its questioning revealed it to be the cornerstone of his psyche.
So Vivi knew no one could force his hands, while Zidane just didn't want to hurt anyone.
Tbf Zidane had lived for 16 years always wondering where he came from, and then suddenly had it all dropped on him that he was intended to be the angel of death that would lay waste to Gaia all for Terras sake. What makes his and Vivis reactions so different is Vivi had Zidane there to help him work through the heavy stuff and in time was able to process the reality he lived in, whereas with Zidanes moment he was alone and with as much as it was to take in, his first reaction was to attack Garland, which is why we get that big moment shortly after and we finally see him at his lowest.
Side note: That scene is one of the series best imo.
Wha!?!?! Awesome 👌
"In storytelling, often the only difference between the hero and the villain is that the former is a white mage"
~Orson Welles
Ah, a classic Orson Welles quote
So, Orson Welles was a cultured man as well.
@@ahmedronaldokahn2352 yes, and his favorite dragoon was Citizen Kain
@@kingofthesharks Whoa ....im impressed
What job would Kuja be anyway? He uses Holy like a White Mage, but he also has Flare and Ultima. Sage, I guess?
Don't you mean sadistic as masochistic means liking pain inflicted on yourself?
But aside that the best games always has hidden parallels between the hero's and villain's ideals or journeys indeed.
There's not too many (i.e. almost none at all) videos focused on discussing Garnet's character out there; this is basically the next best thing. Kuja and Garnet are both brilliant.
Why FFIX will always have the best story.
along with the best characters, each with their own well written goal and dilemma.
Except perhaps, for quinna...
Quina is one of the BEST characters in 9. You just have to use he/she correctly 😋
@@kueapel911 even s/he.. Death is the overbearing meta theme if ff9 and who's more deadly, more manifested as thus than Quina?
Lol, no
I really liked the story of XV. But that said, I didn’t finish IX and am in no way saying it’s a bad story.
I never get tired of hearing Kuja's theme. 😍
[brooding about a grievance I have with someone]
“no no that’s all wrong”
[turns on Kuja’s theme]
“ahhh yes. better.”
Same here.
Same. It's always been my jam.
Ahhh yes we will rock you by Queen, lol.
Can't listen to it too much, I start plotting against those who wronged me.
FF9 has such a rich story. Easily my favourite game.
The interesting thing about Kuja is he has parallels to so many of the characters in the party. A lot of the party are either loners, figuring out their identity and where they fit in the world and life or have been cut off from a community of people they have most in common- minus Quina, I kind of love them but never really understood what I could say about their character.
And I think that’s what makes a lot of final fantasy games work, hashtag not all final fantasies because I hate when people reduce them all to “you kill god”- congrats you played 10- but I think a lot of final fantasies have an antagonist who is disconnected from humanity. They’re either manifestations of darkness and evil in some older final fantasies but a lot of them have someone who may have at one point been a person, that’s been twisted by forces against their will and in a desperate and crazed attempt to topple this they pursue a god like status of power. Kuja does it, Sephiroth does it, Kefka, Ultimecia etc and the party of playable characters are often a ragtag bunch of misfits who find community in each other and support each other against hardships that are either similar or straight up identical to what the antagonist has.
I think that’s what makes final fantasy work when you’re reminded of humanity.
Just to add to what you said about the villains Ardyn definitely fits that category. Not in the same light of being twisted by forces but Vayne was also just a normal guy and not a manifestation of evil or such. Tbh he toes the line between villain and anti hero given his specific goal and motivation but that's a topic of it's own. Just thought I would add Ardyn to your list
So a thought while watching this... I wonder if there are traits that Kuja has that every cast member serves as a counterpoint to. Kuja deals with the realization of his short lifespan by reacting violently while Vivi acts with curiosity and compassion. Kuja and Quina both are singularly focused but to different ends. Kuja and Eiko have spent most of their lives alone. Kuja and Quinna are both passionate and singularly focused. Kuja and Freya are both (this is a bit of a stretch) cast aside and having to deal with the sadness of losing the one thing that was most important to them.
I think Zidanes, garnets and Vivis parallells are pretty obvious.
Steiner lives his life in pure loyalty, until he discovers that sometimes he has to disobey orders in order to protect what he loves. Kujas disobediance comes not from love, but envy, bitterness and lust for revenge.
Freya lost her home - just like Kuja did. But unlike him, she looks forward, seeking the love she once had in her life.
Eiko, just like Freya, lost pretty much everything. But she found a support system. First, in the moogles living with her, then in the protagonists group and lastly by being adopted by Cid. Kuja never had any social support system to begin with.
Amarant is a loner and pretty much a nihilist. But, similar to Eiko, once he gains a support system, he realizes that some things are worth fighting for.
Quina is a metaphor for enjoyment of what life has to offer. He sees the world as a giant buffet, with so much to discover and to enjoy. Meanwhile Kuja is hyper fixated on one thing only: Getting revenge on his father, dwelling in bitterness and anger.
BTW, as far as intentional throwbacks, "Garland" is the first ff villain.
Good point.
Pretty sure you meant to say that Kuja was sadistic, rather than masochistic. Masochism means you like to have pain and punishment inflicted on yourself.
FFIX by far has the best character development and dynamics of any game in the series
Damn!!! I knew there were parallel between Yuna and Seymour. He'll even parallels between Tidus and Seymour. But I never thought that parallels existed between Garnet and Kuja!!!
Veer interesting subject. FFIX has been one of my Favorite Final Fantasy.
You know, it was in my most recent X playthrough on PS3 where, after played much of IX, I realised they made a IX reference when the Ronso declared they would make a statue of Yuna "with a grand horn from her forehead"!
Oh interesting. I think the games were in development at the same time too
The summoner horn goes back to before FFIX with the summoner outfits in FFV also all sporting horns on the sprites. But I did notice and appreciate that easter egg too.
@@anthonydelfino6171 I've only seen HC Bailey's Let's Play of V and that was A-G-E-S ago, so I don't really remember much of it! I couldn't get into the game myself!
@@anthonydelfino6171 The summoner horn goes all the way back to FFIII, where the summoner job was introduced.
@@powerofk Did the sprites in FFIII have horns? I know they did in the DS remake, but wasn't sure if the Famicom version in Japan had the horns or not, so went with the same bet I knew which was FFV
Beatrix and Steiner deserve a closer look. They are much more curious characters and I think their backgrounds are much more interesting since the game barely goes into them.
Beatrix for sure. She's the best thing in this game.
I feel so happy whenever i see new FFIX content :D
U already noticed they gonna make a Animated Series?
Watching this makes me realise I need to play this game again!
Ff9 was one of the best stories. Ff4 ff9 ff12 ff15 all good stories
12 and 15?
15?ummm...
no vi?!?!
BEST Final Fantasy EVER
Kuja is best girl of Final fantasy 9
No doubt 😏
Yes kuja is.
FF9's art style put me off for a long time and I scoffed when people said it's their favorite but... yeah no 9's pretty damn great
IX will always be a top favorite. I enjoyed it so much that when my friends copy that I was borrowing kept skipping a cutscene due to being scratched I did a bunch of odd jobs to buy my own which I still have.
Garnet's given birth name IS Sarah.
Unless her biological mom also has the same name, you have that bit wrong.
Kuja’s theme is one of my all time favorite FF pieces and one of my most favorite boss themes ever!!! I love his flamboyance and over the top attitude
I think you may have mixed up the therms "masochist" and "sadist."
There seem to be a lot of parallels between Garnet, Terra (VI), Yuna (X) and even Rydia (IV), and maybe some others - all female protagonists with tragic backgrounds who are linked to summoning in some way. Would love to see a video exploring those!
Aww, I love Kuja. He's the most adorable and sweet of all the FF villains.
Nothing more adorable than slaughtering an entire planet while being in a blind rage, amirite?
he influenced brahne into committing genocide
then killed her
Kujas entire theme is nihilism, hardly a cute character concept
He's actually one of the most evil FF villains.
The parallels are great! You keep implying that Kuja had the Trance power within him the whole time, but he doesn't have the power deep within him. His emotions are bugged. He DOES learn to be a vessel for the power (like you said), but powered by Queen Brahne and the dead souls from the Invincible. It's not technically HIS Trance power that he finally gets to use. It's implied to be Brahne's Trance and he's just weaponizing it with his own body.
I always thought everyone has trance But he doesn't have the emotions to unlock it, as that was the crux of it.
The souls he absorb definitely empower him but the main purpose of them is to unlock his trance via the emotions he lacks. Queen Brahne's hunger for power grew so strong that even Beatrix at one point described the queen as unrecognizable (it was her or steiner) so when he absorbed her in such an emotionally overwhelmed state he could sense her more clearly among all the other souls
@@gbcls I think everyone does have Trance except for him and probably the other lesser genomes/constructs. If anything, he and he alone DOESN'T have access to Trance because of his defects/creation, and that's why he has to use his inherent genome power of absorbing souls to gain access to Brahne's and the others'.
But even if everyone has Trance power and he just needs to get emotional enough by using the anger of Brahne, that would lessen the parallel, because then he's no different from any other townsperson who just hasn't accessed their Trance.
@@Merlandese I think we are just looking at this from 2 different points (start vs end). I find the significance in that Garnet is robbed of her heritage since birth as Kuja is robbed of his emotions (born with them spliced out via Garland) this robbed both of them of something very important to them later on.
For Garnet her eidolons become the crux of empowering herself to try and save everyone. Going as far as summoning Alexander. For Kuja realizing trance is an option is a way for him to liberate and vindicate himself against Garland.
One awakens to the desire to protect and the other for revenge Edit: also in regards to everyone else i think it strikes different as the average Joe worker wouldn't even think of trance. Kuja actively knows he has been robbed of that option as the defect he is described as early on.... I mean the person who defected him actively trashes him for it.
@@gbcls We are thinking a little differently maybe, because I agree with what you're saying in general about the parallel of the emotion. More mechanically though, I just mean that he doesn't have Trance at ALL. Like, this isn't just some thing where he needs to find ammo for his deep-seated gun, his dilemma is that he HAS no gun. When he goes into Trance, he isn't tapping into his sacred power the same way that Garnet is when she summons. He's instead stealing other power and using himself as a container for it.
All the protection and revenge stuff I agree with, there's a nice parallel. But his incapability and defects are what makes him interesting, and Brahne's soul granting the power is also great. It's not just that he doesn't have enough soul juice, otherwise he could have filled up the tank way earlier.
@@Merlandese Yeah, that's where we agree to disagree. I see it as something written off until he sees Mog trance into an eidolon. Some even allude to his trance as a super trance because of all the ammo being pushed into it (like an entire world's worth of emotions). My thought is if he never had the potential for trance he would have never unlocked it no matter how many souls he absorbed. Garland neutered his emotions to deny him access to that trance because I think he was already intimidated by Kujas natural ability
Huh...I never even noticed how similar these 2 yet in terms of circumstances.
This amazing game just keeps on giving.
Kuja........ an abandoned, replaced, lonely child in the body of an young man......
Garnet........ a replacement to the dead, lonely, and lost in life....... tsk
I love all the attention FF9, my favorite game, has gotten lately. I just hope the animated show is worthy of this game.
Why not analysis Kuja in Dissidia? After the original game he goes from bad guy to more of anti hero. He doesn't want to be the villian yet he gets forced into it when others villians dislike him.
I never played Dissidia, but I kinda figured some of the "villains" would've had an agenda more along those lines. I'm guessing Jecht and Golbez are very much like that too.
I LOVE this! I've never thought about it, but everything you brought up makes sense! Maybe this is why I love both of these characters. Hmmm...
I love your analyses; I can't stop thinking about the video of Yuna and Seymour's similar parallels. And I love this concept so much, because as a storytelling device, it so very well represents the notion of yin and yang. The opposing forces work so well to create powerful foils for a main character in a variety of ways. Where the masculine force Yang represents light and positivity (often goodness though not definitively so), the force Yin is used in FFIX and other FFs to represent feminine energy, and a sinister darkness (among other features) but NOT both at the same time. What's important is that the things Yin represents are not equated (feminine does not also equal negative or dark); but rather, the Yin of Garnet's feminine presence is just as much a foil to Zidane's Yang as Kuja's Yin, which is more negative and dark. It is because these two representations of opposing energies are so different that they work so well to create two very powerful foil characters for Zidane. Garnet and Kuja both work as opposing forces to Zidane and they work so well because they pull him in different directions. As an ally with a vastly different outlook on life, Garnet scares and intrigues Zidane as he learns to protect-- and be protected by-- her as an ally. As an enemy, Kuja brings out the worst in what Goku-- I mean Zidane-- could have become if his past had differed; and Zidane learns how to grow more alike and apart from Kuja at the same time, in order to both fight for what is right and find the inner strength to do so effectively.
The obviously controversial pairing of feminine and darker energies is addressed most beautifully in FFX, where the main character Yuna (she is absolutely the main character of that story, Tidus is just the player character) canonically represents the moon to Tidus's sun, and obviously a feminine energy. Her Yin also brings a sense of darkness that comes from her struggle rather than from her self. She is not a dark or negative character, but her destiny is so dark and sinister (doomed to sacrifice herself to defeat Sin) and the purpose of her arc is to fight this darkness. Tidus's Yang brings a lightness to her life that she is convinced she may never have found without him. And at the same time, her second foil, Seymour, represents an alternate option of hope when she considers the strength of their union, via a marriage which would obviously be both a masculine presence and a ray of light to shine through her dark destiny. This is what is so powerful about the dual-foil structure that FF games are so good at. It is not Tidus who drives the final solution; it's Yuna's determination to find an eternal calm (Tidus's vastly different outlook on life just pulls her in her growth toward that goal). And it is not Seymour who represents the biggest threat to Yuna's victory; it is Sin/Yu Yevon, the enemy Yuna was born to defeat in the first place (Seymour just represents how far someone in Yuna's position could fall if her moral compass was not so strong). It is because she is pulled by these opposing forces in such different directions that she becomes one of, if not the best main characters in any FF game. Her arc is hard, and she has to sacrifice so much to find her way. It takes someone as strong as Yuna to make it through and even bring her guardians safely along the way, despite her loss of both Seymour and Tidus in the end.
FFIX Analysis parallels? Say it isn’t so! I like to analyze Kuja’s parallel to Vivi because since both are created to destroy but both have interesting reactions to death. Because Vivi is a child accepts it like an adult whereas an adult like Kuja denies it like a child. I did loved this analysis on Garnet, but then again she’s my favorite FF character.
masochistic...? Wouldnt Kuja be more of a sadist?
I love this game! Thank you for making this.
Woah I did not realize this.
I think you're reaching.
Kuja: masochistic or sadistic?
I grew up with these games but IX has always been my favorite. Keep up the great work!
This was well written and absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing!
I pray for the gods anime that ff9 animation Will be awesome
This is why to me Garnet (Dagger) is the real strong female character in FFIX. She's even stronger than Zidane when he went through his "phase".
I'll never understand why people defend Beatrix, she's a tyrant that murdered hundreds of innocents under Brahne's command - meanwhile Garnet defied her mom's wishes and fought against her.
I think one reason is, that Beatrix is just cool. She has a great design, a great personality, is well depicted as just one of the strongest characters in the world of that game and she has a great theme. I also feel like she is just such a quintessentially final fantasy kind of character. The role of an actually noble general who serves as the head of the enemy forces is just a staple of the series, since General Leo in FF6
Great video guys! I know it wasn't planned but this video made for a great birthday present!
I’m sure my brother is gonna be thrill to watch this video 😄
Yeaaa FF9 content that’s what I like to see if course I love all the other games but oooo 9
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Crazy that Baku is considered a more loving parental figure, but then I guess the competition isn't great in the World of FFIX! 😅
The relationship between Zidane and Baku kinda reminds me of Peter Quill and Yondu in Guardians of the Galaxy.
@@mr.battle20 that's a pretty good comparison! 👍 Not one which could have been made back when IX came out.
You know I always wondered why the Dissidia series slept on giving us more FF9 characters. Dagger would've been a good one
Thought Kuja was a female at first
they both probably look good in tights 8)
Played FF4, 7,9 and 12 but this one (FF9) hit me differently.
Y not 8
Me too.
9 hits different. It's the only FF (and the only JRPG) I've beaten more than once. I finished it 3 times already
As always, excellent video my friends! Burning desire to jump back into FFIX just ignited!
Can you please, PLEASE do one of these for Rinoa and Ultamecia? Please?!
He better then kefjs
I know many comments are saying Kuja is more sadistic than masochistic, and while I absolutely agree- even the Dissidia games themselves even describe him as a sadist- I think there is a bit of him that IS masochistic. Especially in Opera Omnia Act 2 Chapter 3. When he is facing the soulcage by himself and Zidane & co. come to his aid, Steiner and Freya are the ones who ask him “Are you doing this by yourself / Is this you taking responsibility?” Meaning, is this how you view atonement. The others have already forgiven him for the sins he committed on Gaia, but that isn’t what Kuja anticipated from them. He expected something akin to a proper punishment, something lower than a death sentence since that’s already been bestowed upon him by Garland. So, he went and found it on his own. If they won’t treat him like a criminal, he’ll do that himself to make up for what he’s done in the past (especially since certain villains have been told their end game fates). So even if the others aren’t necessarily wanting Kuja to do something like this to himself, he feels as though he has to because of that reason.
This might just be me taking that chapter a little too seriously, but I do think there are some hints of post-FFIX Kuja being a masochist in some manner.
the madain sari background music is amazing. where can I find this version? it's so ominous, sad, beautiful, really paints a picture of the summoners..
A point that is never really highlighted by anyone about FF9, is that Garnet is actually the hero of the story, at least until the last part of the game (with Garland and Kuja's assault in Memoria's Cristal). Just like Yuna in FFX.
Garnet is the one taking the initiative of warning other nations how dangerous her mother has become lately and unfortunately she makes it too late each time and cannot prevent the rampages of Lindblum or Burmecia...
Her biggest mistake, though, is trying or reason her mother herself and she is even stolen more Eons in the process... As a character she really has a good character development, she has to learn realying on her allies, overcoming her guilt and not carry the whole world's pain on her shoulders... Sure she is no sexy model so maybe that's why she is not so popular but I thought she was a great character.
Had Zidane not instantly fallen in love with her he would have no personal implication in what was going on, at least in the 2/3 of the story. On the other hand, obviously Garnet could never have made it surviving and ensuring the world's safety on her own. Zidane provided her his own strength and the allies he had before or met during the quest. That's pretty great story telling.
I strongly disagree with many of the things in this video. Garnet/Dagger has more parallels with Eiko. There's little to parallel Garnet with Kuja.
To list out the parallels between Garnet/Dagger and Eiko.
1. Both are from Madain Sari.
2. Both lost families at age 6.
3. Both were adopted by a couple at age of 6 after losing their families.
4. Both summon Eidolons.
5. Both wear similar style of outfits (Bodysuits/jumpsuits over a top).
6. Both have Zidane as their love interest.
Also, Kuja wasn't adopted by Garland. Garland wasn't a father like figure to Kuja. He was more like his superior.
Garnet wasn't rebelling against her mother like Kuja did. She wasn't fighting for freedom. She sensed something sinister in her mother and that's why she was against her. Kuja rebelled against Garland more out of self-interest. Garnet wanted to protect people from harm. Kuja simply wanted to be free and to live forever. In the end, Kuja accepted his fate and I guess he decided to save Zidane and the others because he empathized with them. Necron wanted to kill Zidane and his friends and Zidane was against it, saying he wanted to live. Kuja likely heard him and so decided to help them.
I didn't notice that until I read your post but I agree.
Great music. I love the music in the background, the choice of tunes and the volume works really well.
Kuja is one of the creepiest villains in FF. He tells the heroes that he loves them before trying to kill them. eeek. Cool video thanks for the breakdown!!
Very good analysis guys the parallels between kuja and garnet are not something I’ve ever considered until now!!!
Garnet weak Ronso.
Garnet hornless!
Hornless! Hornless!
Fascinating! I always like the videos where you guys show the more obscure connections between characters and games in the series. Even not having played Final Fantasy 9 (yet) I can appreciate the details and the craftsmanship of the story from the way you discuss it. Great video!!
Ahh, nice FF9 I can still have a bit of faith in gamers today when we still talk about that old masterpiece. Was/is still my favorite FF
This has helped me to appreciate the story of FF IX a lot more. I love when parallels like this can be drawn between heros and villains and I never would have thought of any of these connections on my own. Thank you for posting this video.
Remember they only had around a year to make this game same as most other Final Fantasies around that time. What they did manage to write in that time is incredible but I'd give up on looking for anything deeper than what is presented.
Really unique perspective and wonderful deep dive in to the FF9 world
My favorite FF game
This was super thorough. I didn't think anyone else thought about that with these two.
Can you do a parallel video between Rinoa and Ultimecia plz.
the packaging of this game was beautiful and I had a vivi doll that came with it.
This is amazing TQ...Cheers for a FF9 remale
There are so many comparisons here that I hadn't even considered!
Just tuned in to say you guys are reaching. Just saying.
Top notch content as always...
Angel of Death, what a beautiful title to have!
I guess it's time to replay this game again
i really like these "Parallels" videos
FFIX is my top favorite 🥰
Woah I'm actually early to a video lol
Still waiting for the rest of the history of Square, by the way.
Analyze Freya thanks
Currently grinding for the platinum and yeah its a fun nostalgia trip.
Good luck on jumping rope
blew my mind!
Love your vidéos 😍😍
Exciting!
😯😯
Wow,Jen
FFIX as a whole is the best game in the series!!
I really wish they would've explained away brahnes greed and cids lust as byproducts of exposure to mist. Especially Cid could've really used a redemption arc like that. I thought that's what they had planned when I first played but it never got that payoff
Nope. Instead they are just realistically flawed characters...with...parallels.
Huh, just realized that. Cid and Brahne had a hidden set of messages in the regard too. The latter was consumed by greed and turned on everyone for power. Cid on the other hand, was lustful and could have potentially list himself to that, but Hilda's actions reminded him of his love and brought him back from the spiral he could have easily fallen into otherwise - because we all know that lust is just as bad as greed. It boiled down to the affects of their surroundings helping out as Brahne fell to Kuja's toxic influence in contrast to Cid and Hilda's rightful fury.
This boils down to same situation, different environment. Makes you wonder how Cid would have driven the story if they had each other's post.
I'm also curious how it would've gone if Kuja had survived to explore his newfound growth at the end.
Kuja was a weak, forgettable villain. That being said, I still enjoyed my time with FF9 back in the day.
I liked him way more than Sephiroth or Sin
@@Walamonga1313 yeah, I didn’t find Kuja to be forgettable at all, in fact he’s probably my favorite FF villain by miles. He’s got the theatrical nature and psychopathic desire to kill like Kefka, but he’s looming in the background and sympathetic like Sephiroth. He’s also just generally an interesting character and far more complex than either of the two villains I’ve already mentioned, and I think his design’s awesome.
In fact, Kuja and Sephiroth go through almost exact opposite character arcs, with Sephiroth being good at one point, and going batshit when he finds out how he was given life. Kuja, in complete total contrast, was evil from the start, goes batshit when finding out how he will die, but eventually regrets his past actions after that point, becoming good
Honestly, sephiroth, kuja and maybe kefka are the only memorable villains to me
@@The_winds_of_change that’s fair, out of the ones I’ve played I agree. However, I’ve heard that Caius from 13-2 and Ardyn from 15 are also great villains, but I’ve yet to play either so I can’t confirm either way. Most FF villains before Kefka suck though.
Played the game recently after many years, I got to this same conclusion, very forgettable, the only reason I actually even remembered him is because I play Dissidia 012 a lot. After playing FF9 again I felt Kuja very underwhelming.