Milling a Birdseye Log
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- Rob walks through milling up a section of a Birdseye Maple log from in the round to useable boards. These sections have been sitting around for 15 years or more so they turned out to be quite dry. Enjoy!
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He seemed to get what he was after. First priority was the angle of the cuts, then trying to get a few thick short boards and use the rest for small items. I never got the feeling he was close to getting cut. I enjoyed watching, thanks for posting!
Thanks Todd, we seem to have our share of Woodworking Snowflakes. Shocked at how many "Oh my!" comments, voiced by those with little to no experience.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking i found it therapeutic for my OCD to watch you measure, decide, cut, and move along. no time to dawdle and second-guess. also, just the process of discovery that a log is (no guarantees, just wishes). thanks for this vid.
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As an amateur with woodworker, i typically feel overpowered with the entire arrangement ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxrYREG3-7f1Aqk9ams3ZESRNzGnfdUtyQ . Be that as it may, this arrangements drove me through with much clarity and effortlessness woodplans. Works i now work like a genius. That is great!
I think the best thing about this video is that Rob presents himself as such an authority and expert on all things woodworking and suddenly finds he’s in the middle of something he has no clue about how to do properly but still plows ahead with the same presumption of expertise. I bet his apprentices in the background were thinking, what the hell is he doing. A country sawyer would have a good chuckle at this and it shows no one is an expert at everything.
Agreed... This guy is the worst safety hazard in his own shop!
Wow, alot if hate/ignorance being tossed around in this comment section. I think this may be the first time they've seen any of your videos and are unaware of your skill level... i for one loved this, it's what can't find in most woodworking videos. Reality. Its not like you bought some 200 dollar pre milled board and covered it in epoxy. This is real woodworking.
I come here about once a year for all the comments. Thanks Rob (beautiful saw handles btw)!
Real time, non scripted, thinking out loud, how to accomplish a task as it presents itself. This is real, and I love it.
If there's anything I've learned about woodworking, is that there's never only 1 correct way to do something. It's your piece of art you're making, you make the rules for yourself.
Yes, this was driving me crazy. Wish I had the tools, glad my skills are better. Tilt the damn bed!!
Best part about this video.....real woodworking by a real woodworker in real time. Sometimes you jump into something and you just have to feel your way through it. Was this the "proper" way of processing a log into usable lumber? Maybe not, but it's the way it happens. You start doing something one way and realize it won't work so you try another way. That's my favorite part of woodworking, problem solving. Great video Rob. It's refreshing to see videos by amazing professionals that haven't been scripted and edited a 1000 times...and we get to see your shop how it typical is....just like mine....moving things to use things.
Alex Taylor nice copy and paste
I had no idea about finding the birdseye that way through the bark. Thank you for that lesson!
Please keep in mind that when people share ideas in the comments they aren't necessarily being rude or non-constructively critical. It is just the nature of most guys who like to work with our hands to also like to talk about how we work and share tips. Thousands of forums across the internet to testify to that. And it can be a little bit exciting to realize that you might be able to do something that Rob Cosman doesn't know. Can you blame people for enjoying such a moment? 😆
May your weaknesses become strengths. ;)
That was a big waste of wood i thought ! I love all the tools you have though. I would of been cutting guitar necks out of all that nice thick wood.
Comments, good and bad, are great on this one! I respect Rob for standing up to the smart asses. I've made some sawdust in my time, too, and understand there's a process. To each their own.
If anyone has actually tried this before, with logs you really value, then you would know how impressive Rob's order of operation really is.
I never watched a professional fire wood maker at work before. Thank you for your post.
a lot of this was cracked and/or no figure or not enough for what I wanted. firewood it was!
It happens to everyone on occasion, especially when starting out with a roughly split log.
Hahahahahahaaha
It's like a 16 inning baseball game. Once you're committed you have to stay until the end.
But afterward you wonder, why did I do this?
All I will say about this is, I am supposed to be working on a project, but instead I am watching your every move!
Andrew Carmichael I hope you learn enough to justify it then!
I'm soooo glad I watched this....made me feel so much better about my woodworking skills, or lack there of....it was comforting see that you are human and sometimes not everything goes as smooth as we all hope....no offense.
I watched this video to the end and could hardly wait to see the comments. I agree with nearly every one. 25 years teaching wood shop and I don't use a table saw without a guard if I can help it. Rob, clean your shop, it's too cluttered.
my heart stopped when he reached over the table saw - sticking up 3.5".
He has been doing it a long time, and as evidenced by his full complement of significant scar free fingers, appears to have the situational awareness to not stick them in a saw blade.
Also, it is a Sawstop.
@@markbeiser In my opinion, a Sawstop is just an invitation to be careless.
P.S. I hope your apprentice realizes how fortunate he is to be working with such a knowledgeable craftsmen. I am 72 and just retired and have been doing woodworking for about 35 years. I have always enjoyed it and have learned much from U-tube. I have just found your site and it is now in my favorites.
His son and son-in-law both work for him.
I appreciate your video you had a set goal and went straight for it hindsight is always 20/20 I'm sure youre not too broken up over a 25 " log that's been taking up space for 15 years
Very cool watching the whole process from looking at the grain to the finished product
Well", live and learn. I think it was fun to watch. That first clean up cut on the band saw was really exciting.
I like how he leaves everything running flat out and just walks away
Thanks Rob - brilliant video showing a skilled artisian at work - hard work + intelligence - something most academics couldn't understand or achieve. Love to see some finished handles
Rob Cosman's UA-cam tutorials on all aspects of woodworking & tool sharpening have been to me inspirational, !!!Keep up the great work you do Rob ! Kind regards Fraser John Pudney.👍🏻
Hi Rob, you're taking a lot of hits in the comments but I still enjoyed the video because it shows that despite your best efforts, you can't win them all. Were there better ways to do it? Maybe, but it's easy to criticize from the computer chair. I like that your videos are not perfect and that you show your thought process and working through problems. I also agree that the Byrd cutter heads are great as I installed one in my Dewalt 735 thickness planer and I love it.
HI Kren, thanks for the positive comments, refreshing however i must admit I get a kick out of ready the comments made by mere idiots! I have fun with them and see what kind of reaction I can get. Like reeling in fish on a line.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking - well Rob, the internet has no shortage of idiots, that's for sure.
Beautiful wood! My landlord got a used antique end table I was sure was Birdseye and painted it purple.. I was upset. Great info about milling. Thanks!
Nice work both on your shop as well as the video. It was fun going on a voyage of discovery with you, uncovering some
usable birdseye sections of rock maple. I've done a bit of the same with some quarter-sawn red oak and am now encouraged by you to take on some maple. Thanks again.
I’m glad I watched this because now I know how to turn a 40# chunk of maple into 36# of sawdust.
I know absolutely nothing about the subject of the video - I’m a data analyst- but what he did and how he did it seemed messed up!
Robs a big boy and doesn't need me to fight his battles. I'm also not 100% sure of his reasons for doing anything. So at best I can make some guesses. It seemed more than a little obvious he was rushed and I'm also more than sure these videos eat up a lot of expense in shop time and wages. His isn't a hobby shop, it's a working commercial shop. Anyone else ever operated equipment under rushed situations? I've knowingly mistreated multi million dollar equipment at times following orders and where the conditions and situation justified it. And anyone doubting Robs craftsmanship and abilities you might want to go back and review his multi part video series on building that workbench of his. Without a doubt it's the finest bench of it's type I've ever seen. So any craftsman with that much experience knows more than well how far things can be pushed. And while it's certainly not a safety issue, but speaking of that NOT following general accepted rules Alex. I'd point out that typing almost your whole post in caps is pretty much frowned upon as being rather impolite. I also learned a long time ago it's never a good idea to start harshly judging people and how they do any job when it was fairly plain they had far more experience than I do.
Alex Taylor
Wow, all that time spent writing paragraph after paragraph of text that no one will read because it's in all caps.
Alex Taylor
Well, it should be obvious that I *can* read. The pertinent question is the "want to" portion of your response. In writing, especially persuasive writing, one is best served by making good points toward the position being argued, AND trying to gain and keep others on your side. Part of that is writing in a clear and concise way which includes not only building a logical flow to your argument, but also making it relatable and readable. Eliminating distractions and stumbling blocks in the form of sentence structure, grammar, spelling, punctuation, and even font choice (including all caps), will aid greatly in getting the message you desire into the minds of the readers most easily.
I, personally, don't think you're trying to yell at everyone by using caps, but I (and likely most people) simply find it less pleasing to read, and choose to skip it, altogether.
Alex Taylor
I didn't read whatever you just said.
Rob, I’ve only just started watching your videos and they’re great! This one was pretty cool! I loved how this was filmed with very few edits. Felt like I was in the shop there with you. I’m excited to watch more of your videos!
This reminds me of a video I watched with a CNC machine that took a solid 4 POUND block of alluminum and reduced it into a 4 OUNCE door handle.
what you missed are all the checks, defects and cracks. I only want the premium birdsseye for my saw handles. i dont care if I waste 3/4 of the log to get what I want. my log, my call. Dont watch if you cant handle it ya cheapskate!
I never said anything about your crafting. I said,.. it reminded me of another wasteful video. So do whatever you want to with your wood
@@RobCosmanWoodworking You should put this comment first. No question you are a master. Best to fill the vacuum of what you were going for, had to search through a lot of "lack of faith" comments till I got to this one. I'm Irish and backyard mill lots of logs getting to the best piece is worth it, but still have the guilt of waste.
Ah, good to see a highly skilled fellow NB'er. Cool shop.
Another former New Brunswicker here, from the Plaster Rock area
+Douglas McCarty Why do you have a Union Jack as your phone but yer have a Irish name. traitor?
Thanks for showing how one can stick with it and get the job done. Great problem solving. Sorry that some whiners can't see that. Thanks for the video.
Great video and that is some band saw!!!
Enjoyed the video.....love the non scripted real life vid. Having a jointer that size is an asset (if you can find the room for it!). I think I'll stick to resawing rough sawn lumber instead of logs😀.....cheers
I’ve watched a ton of your UA-cam but enjoyed this one the most. I loved watching how you made it up as you went along. I’ve never had any formal instruction since 7th grade but I retired 6 months ago and have built a few things that my wife has found acceptable so I’m encouraged. I may even have to buy your dove tail saw after seeing all the effort into just the handle!
Loving your shop sir!!!
Well, to all the criticisers who have only smug put-down comments to make....I enjoyed this video a lot (and have, as a result, a terrible case of workshop envy). Thank you Rob for taking the trouble to film it. Most of all I loved the sight (and sound) of that lovely long jack plane. Though I did wince involuntarily to see it put down on the blade. I've inherited one the same from my cabinet-maker grandfather and try as I may, I just can't get the results he did. It is a pity that in a generation we've lost an entire ecosystem of beautiful hand tools, and the capabilities to use them. And in a further generation, the instagram kids will only know how to photograph food, not to grow or cook it. It feels as though civilisation is setting itself up for a big fall.
Absolutely Love Birdseye. Living in Colorado (US) it’s not always the easiest to find. Your saw handle is absolutely beautiful.
So much work! Looks like fun.
Really enjoyed watching that. Great workshop.
I could have grown, harvested and milled a maple tree in the time I spent watching this.
Can’t get that back!
@@RobCosmanWoodworking You got that right! That's why I cut my losses and turned it off after about 10 mins. Once he went to the joiner it was clear he had no idea what he was doing.
where were you when I needed an expert?
I learned that you work like me, moving tools from surface to surface, lol! About to cut up some stock now for some accents to a bench! Enjoyed it!
moving into a new 4500 sq ft shop the end of the month, more space to put stuff, more stuff!!
Not your best video. But admire the fact you chose to post it anyways.
Great video, thanks for sharing with us. Did notice one cardinal sin placing than plane down on the bench face down, Opps! Billy in B.C.
Billy Proctor if you know how to sharpen up quickly there is no reason to worry about that. Should take less than two minutes to bring it back to proper sharp. I think shop teachers made students believe they were committing a cardinal sin because they didn’t feel like sharpening any more than they had to... haha. I’ve actually found placing a plane on its side , if you accidentally set it down too quickly /firmly, can knock the iron out of square pretty easily.
@@daviskane7904 Setting the plane on its sole is not going to hurt the blade. It get banged a lot harder whenever you hit a knot in your work piece.
I can't help but to keep thinking how simple and easy it would be to clamp a fence guide to the band saw table.
That's a cool looking log. Looked a little tricky to cut up, but it's worth it!
Man, OSHA would have a field day in your shop!
It's all about cutting at specific angles to get the most out of the birdseye pattern, slightly off it wouldn't look right thus leading to slight wasteful outcomes. Seems as though a lot of people in the comments didn't comprehend this. I'm not even a woodworker and it was quite clear to me.
great job very nice wood. Learned a lot from this one.
This video reminded me of the time my brother in laws thumb hit the ceiling. Stay safe out there folks.
Great video, absolutely beautiful pieces that I’m sure will be crafted into something even more remarkable in such skilled hands. Truly an inspiration. And thank you for what your doing with your partnership to help my fellow veterans. I know woodworking has brought me a peace I had not known for quite some time and I’m sure it will help them as well.
Thank you Matthew for serving your country! I consider it a privilege to do what we do.
This reminds me of when Michael Scott tried to be Survivor man and show how to survive in the wilderness. This guys is the Michael Scott of woodworking.
Mike Gerling OMG, I just spit all over my screen laughing at this comment, lol
I just finished teaching my kid how to chop up a pineapple. Very similar! :)
now that is a joiner
You should see the one I’ve replaced it with, a 16” General! Small jets can land on the in-feed table.
I'm sorry that you have to see such negativity in comments. I'm impressed with what your intentions where to do with such (basically a log) to begin with. Awesome work and thanks for sharing your video!
Birdseye maple is unarguably, one of the nicest woods to make just about anything out of.
Rob, you are certainly a hand tool and joinery guru. It's also clear that you don't have quite the same experience with using power tools to process wood. You certainly made this look a lot harder than it needed to be. I have no doubt that you will get this figured out. Nice looking birdseye maple to work with for $40.00.
I'm gonna sub this guy that piece of maple is kicking his ass big time
I'm worried about you getting hurt with all that new equipment you have. Don't be mad aT me. Watch your own video. Your probably gonna cringe
Wow! I own a violin made mostly birdseye maple! Such is a LOVELY wood. It made very good resonance as well. I wish that I was not injured & could still play.
That vac running the whole time would drive me bonkers haha
Ha jól láttam a szalagfűrész hosszú ideig volt bekapcsolva felügyelet nélkül! Ez nagyon balesetveszélyes!
Rob, you're amazing. I've been studying woodwoorking for the past year, really just learning the jargon, tools, procedures etc. I like the Japanese tradition but you are clearly a master of your craft. I ran across your channel somehow and have been learning so much. All I can really afford to play with know are a couple kanna planes, stones and hand saws but learning and setting up those tools alone has kept me plenty busy. As a small business owner and teacher myself I value your opinion greatly and can tell you are an amazing teacher. Don't listen to all these haters nit picking every little detail about your procedures, you're the one putting in the hours and years of hard work and labor honing your skills, producing content and teaching others.
Fun to watch. Enjoyed it.
Hi Rob, fellow NB’er here, (grew up in Saint John), now living in ON. Love your shop and videos. I would love to visit and tour your shop. I love all the Naysayers; I reflect on the lyrics from a great Canadian band, The Grapes of Wrath; “Tell me all the things I wasn’t could Have made this big a difference to the all the things you are”. Looking forward to more videos.
when you had the plywood first attached, that was your starting point on the bandsaw. Leaving the temporary fence in place on the band saw and just add spacers to get the desired width, add another spacer and complete. Same result with less hassle and work.
Hearing Protection is a good idea.
One thing I can't believe having moved to Canada nearly a decade ago, is how hard it is to find a metric only tape measure. I've paid a pretty penny to get a couple😂
Looks like the new jointer head makes all the difference.
interesting to watch others' methods, thought process.
Made y'all think too! ( i wouldve done this, then that, and then i think i'll...) woodworkers... we all have the best way don't we? probably from too much time in the shop alone honing our skills. I appreciated seeing his shop with the big boy/girl machines. Thanks Rob
If you had a shop as big as a foot ball field you would still not have enough work space. Ask me, I know...LOL
So much work for so little yield. Good video even though really couldn't hear over tools.
It's very similar to gem stone cutting. You start with a big stone with many imperfections and cracks and you have to cut it into smaller pieces untill all is left is a perfect jewel stone. Lot of unfortunate waste but that is what makes those stones so precious and valuable. A closer shot and a bit more focus on the attribute of a special piece of finished wood would have helped to understand why there is so mutch waste.Thanks for sharing !
Someone else that gets it!
@@markbeiser Yep. A hobby of mine is faceting gemstones. Even with a well shaped piece of rough, you are lucky to get 25% recovery. More usual is 15% - 20%. With some poorly shaped rough, the recovery might be 10% or less.
Jewel cutting is a pretty good analogy.
geez he makes things look difficult.
on the fly, dried out and badly checks birdseye log is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you got till you open it up.
This is a perfect example of someone who is just plain lucky not to have hurt himself working in a disaster of a workshop. Maybe get one of those people standing around to clean something so you don't have to reach over a running saw to move stuff.
Nice to see Mike Myers is a woodworker too! "FIRST THINGS FIRST; WHERE'S YOUR SHITTER?"
Now I know how I look when i cant figure out how to do something in my shop.
I am glad to see that your shop looks like mine. It is a mess....You see all these operating room clean shops, makes one wonder if any actual work is done.
I'm a bit concerned that you appear to occasionally leave a machine energized after a cut and leave it unattended, particularly the bandsaw with a significant length of blade exposed. Is that purposeful, or is it because the ambient noise is so great? Perhaps the installation of a blinking pilot light would be a good reminder that the saw is running.
He has to use this weeks electricity alotment up or it will just get wasted. I expect all the appliances in his house are constantly running too. Vacuum cleaner, cake mixer, iron, TV (full volume), radio (also full volume), washing machine, dryer, dish washer, etc etc etc. I mean someones gotta do it.
Looks like Rob has a lot of "General" woodworking machinery. Being from Montana, I have several pieces myself. Looks very fun, I wish I could be doing what he is doing.
I wonder why he has a "Saw Stop" cabinet saw?
all ten fingers still attached! Saw stop is the best available, better than the top unisaw or general.
I don't know What your doing Rob! Take care!
I did notice he had all his fingers and was not using a push stick in the saw one lucky man
42 minutes of my life that I won’t get back. The eternal optimist in me said, “I’m sure the result will be worth it!”. I wish that optimist had kept his mouth shut.
Who cares about the maple? That plane ROCKS!!!
I like what you’re doing. I struggle with the same issues. But, you do make me nervous.
I know you were going for specific grain, but I learned how to mill a log for just nice boards. Thanks.
The Ray Bourque of woodworking
Nice set of equipment. It is producing such expensive sawdust
Awesome work, some bystanders watching doodling, but understandable, you have passion in your work, they do not. I run into the same thing me being an electrician.Peace, Love, Lazaro
Gonna have to be some mighty pricey saw handles.
Not the material that dictates the prices as much as the process
One flat face to run against a tall fence and you would have gotten more boards and spent less time running around the shop from planner to table saw to bandsaw.
hey Rob,
it's hard to tell what tooth spacing you have on the bandsaw for this vid, for deep longitudinal cuts you should be running a skip tooth blade with half to 5/8ths inch spacing on the teeth. preferably stellite or carbide tipped for old dried out hard woods like that.
a critique i would have is that you shouldn't let sweet woods like maple set for too long, the discoloration you're seeing in the heart is a fungus that has broken down the wood fiber and essentially make the heartwood useless. sometimes the fungus is already present in the heart when the tree is cut. the discoloration on the outside of the log is another fungus that breaks down the sugars in sapwood and they can go deep if the wood isn't milled and dried soon after the tree was cut
I would also use a rip blade on the bandsaw when resawing, it will wander far less than the usual combination or crosscut blade.
I get the feeling that milling wood is like gambling at a high-stakes casino... and the house never looses.
Looks like you're having fun.
This is like watching the video diaries of a mad man!
ah, the beauty of an octagonal start~~~you could've, but you did not~~~the "eyes" only show when you cross them, lol
The level of incompetence displayed here is hard to beat!
just wait for the sequel!
You could have saved a lot of trouble by cutting the center side of the log off first. You created two reference faces and each time on the band saw you cut them off, requiring remaking them again. Cut the other side of the log, thus keeping the reference edges.
I don't think saving time or trouble is his primary goal here.
Awesome.....like that Woodpecker episode when a guy pushed a whole tree into a machine just to get a pencil out the other side.....
Scary operation
All this work for saw handles❓
Yeah I know right .. was watching how to make slabs for a guitar and all the sudden I'm here looking how too make handles..
At the price he gets for his saws, certainly.