There is a simple choice. If I don't like what is being reviewed I simply skip to the next video. Too many people who's egos wont let them accept another persons point of view. I like your reviews as they are honest and demand both high quality products and a value for money that only a northerner, like yourself can quantify! Love the backing music to this one, reminds me of a TV programme called Eurotrash and bad elevator music from an American hotel!! It will be stuck in my head for days, thanks.
I totally agree. It’s your channel, review whatever you like, when you like. There are more than enough channels on UA-cam “reviewing” cheap, low quality parts, that appear to be nothing more than advertising channels. Quality always shines through.
Not that you need to explain your choices to me you still did an excellent job of it. I go into your videos counting on your eye for quality and that you feel like something is good enough for you and your bike. Review what you want. I’ll watch. Keep up the good work.
Why would anyone review less than the best parts available? Trust and credibility is a key component of your channel's success. Leave that to others is my vote. Regardless, yeah on the cost of the Triumph pannier rails. I have them on my T120 Black (they work just fine) and even with a welcomed discount from my dealer, I winced a bit when I added them to the build sheet along w/the Triumph leather bags, as there was no viable alternative last December when I got the bike. Cheers!
I bought some of these after watching your video. They arrived the very next day which surprised me as I hadn't paid for next day delivery. They really do look a well made item. All I've got to do now is fit them.
I was just thinking about purchasing a cheaper non-Chinese supplied set of rails but the quality of these looks to be much better. Thanks for the review :)
There are not many 3-party mod parts companies for my Ural so we have to get creative. I bought the wet-dry over the saddlebags that you had reviewed last year and then I had to buy an adjustable set of luggage frames that attached to my seat rail. It works and the bags don't rub against the rear shock, but they don't make it easy.
From an engineering design perspective I really like the blend radii on the investment cast bracket. As you stated this support carries a majority of the load and needs to be of sufficient strength to undertake its role. Any ‘square’ corners are considered to be potential stress raisers and could lead to fatigue cracking. All the engine aircraft parts that I have worked on during my career with Rolls-Royce always have the appropriate blend radii designed into them, this not only make the component more visually aesthetic but increase its service life.
Hi Michael, I can fully agree on your statement. Fatigue life with such a design will be improved tremendously compared to the flat bracket which is shown as a first version. It's always a tricky thing to chose in the design between stiffnes and "flexibility" on background of resonance behaviour :-) I bought my pair in black, and they look great...
@@georg1411 Sir, Glad that you are happy with your brackets. At RR we used to have design make meetings to reduce the manufacturing costs of our parts. One simple way was to make the finished blend radii coincide with the radii available from the cutting tool suppliers.
Thank you Stuart. It is this kind of attention to detail that does seem to set Motone apart from some of the other aftermarket companies. A black shock dress up kit would look great on your T120. I got mine from errrr Motone!
Hi! Sorry for stupid quastion. But can i unscrew THE top suspensionen screw like you DO in video having My bike standing in THE sidestand? Or DO i have have to lift it Up before i start unscrew
This was a really useful video! I have looked at the Motone pannier rails, as well as others. However, the pictures are always from a distance, so it was hard to see how the top end was actually made! Seeing this video has made my decision easy!
Thank you, Stuart, I always enjoy your videos, and this was no exception! This helped me determine that the Motone pannier rails are what I will be ordering!
Hey Stu, great video as always. Motone care about their customers and their reputation.... Just like your videos. These are a very nice piece of kit and set the bike off nicely.
Hi Stuart. Great informative video as always. In your opinion would these support the weight of a Trip Machine small messenger bag in their own right. Would only be carrying the usual ride out paraphernalia. Thinking of hanging the bag on the top rail with the rear mounted leather straps. Thanks. Mike.
I’ve been waiting for these! As soon as I can get a set they will replace my Chinese set. Great and very helpful video. Suggestion, how about a video looking back at how some of the many items you’ve shown have held up over time?
They do look the real deal. I would certainly pay extra for them over the Chinese cheapos! I was lucky though, Triumph recently had a sale of their air cooled Bonnie accessories and I snapped up a pair for £30! 1st bargain ever direct from Triumph. 😁
Hi Stuart, Love your videos. I have a question, did you clean the threads and add new thread-lock to the bolt for the Rear Shocks when re-threading the screws after installing the pannier rails?
Hey Stuart, great videos , of wingman & touring , very informative . Thank you ! Just got a t100 and love it , can you tell me , where do you get your screws for the universal pannier rails ? I have chrome , and now black , but no screws ..!
Stuart thanks for this informative video. One part in particular caught my attention, the prospect that Motone might be coming up with a panier system for the Bobber???? If you are talking with them , how about suggesting a swingarm bag at a decent price. Triumph has a nice one but at close to $400.00 CAD, a bit steep for my purse!! Lash
Bought a pair of these rails in early 2021 and fitted them and used them with the lomo panniers. I’ve used them this year with no issue. Wasn’t until I took them off for winter when I realised a very large difference to the lugs on one side in terms of size both depth and width of each lug. I’ll photo them and send them to Motone for comment as I’d be interested in the quality control method they are using.
Thank you very much for the video. No reason to justify being convinced about quality of one compared to another product on the market. Do you use any threadlocker when re.mounting the screws / i.e. Loctite lowstrength ?
The only challenge with this type of T120 videos is that they’re helping to postpone my purchase of the bike. I’m waiting for a well cared for “preowned” T120 that already has a few thousand invested on farkles & accessories, and this video just made my search a little harder.
Hi Stuart. Thanks for all the information you give us. I replaced indicators on my Thruxton 1200r. And LED ones blink faster than original ones. Did you have the same thing happen to your bike. And should I do anything about it, or its normal thing? Thanks again
Hi Stuart, thanks for this latest video. Do these Motone pannier rail improve on the maximum weight limit of the OEM Triumph rails (3Kg)? Thanks again, Paul.
Hi Paul im totally sure but I think its the Triumph bags that have a 3kg max load although I often put more in mine, that said im sure these are appreciably stronger than the OE items.
Great camera work Stuart, looks like a really nice product. What do you think of the Triumph luggage rack for the Bobber Black? will you be reviewing this? Best regards
Not sure Hiro I used the one that came with the bike, I think it might be an M6. did you clean out the thread on the frame ? Triumph use a silly amount of thread lock at assembly which does make the re use of the fastener very tight if the threads are not cleaned out!
@@stuartfillingham Triumph changed the bolt. Here is the picture link to my T120 2019. It's different bolt. I wonder if I order the older version of t120 bolt, would it fit on my bike. drive.google.com/file/d/1edUxHT08F4u1nkXaP1CAv4Sqm-yXatZu/view?usp=sharing
thanks for the video stuart, love the channel. question for ya, does the position of the shorty predator pros relative to the pannier create a risk that the pannier may be fouled or damaged (melted?) by exhaust? feels like a stupid question, but i'll ask it anyway for anyone else wondering. thank you!
Hi Stuart, thanks for all your great videos. I just received my bonneville t100 last week, my first triumph ever, and I'm stuck on your channel. Can I ask you what you apply on the bolt before putting it back. I saw that you use a small stick. Thanks!
Facebook groups are surprisingly filled with bullies - I experienced that once and left right away... Funny thing was that the guy who did the wordly lambasting, did have a name and address - and it appaered the same name was connected to some activity that was against bullying. Well, could be another guy... :) But, that seems a good quality item, why would people complain of that? For heavy loaders, I would still design a small third connection between the support and the rail that goes around the rear of the seat, maybe. But just for heavy loads.
Hi Stuart - very interesting and I agree with your selection of quality products! Same question - what about rails for the Speedmaster. I’m planning some touring for the “season” and wonder if you have any advice or tips you’d like to share on soft panniers and soft bag to sit on the existing rear rack. Thanks Stuart. Yours aye, Alan
Stuart thank you for your speedy response. Just looked on your link and it's described as suitable for the triumph bonneville T100 2017 and upwards. Mine is a 2015, will these do? Many thanks
Stuart ignore an old fart! Just found them all ordered. Discount code didn't work but no worries just glad to have found them. Now to watch your video again so I can fit them. Thanks again. Alan
Hey Stuart! Thanks for your video. Always love your reviews. I have a problem fitting and wondered if you have a tip? The issue isn’t with the rails but actually with the footpeg fitting. On both sides the nut and the stem it’s attached to just spin after a certain point. So frustrating! Any ideas anyone?
Definitely a better-looking piece with that weld ground down and polished like that, the sort of detail that often gets overlooked. You mentioned the LC T100, do they not fit the older AC ones?
Hey mate, could you check the option from UA-cam that creating AI English subtitles ? Some of your videos do have subtitles, while some don't. It could be very helpful to understand your deep review for our none native speakers.
Hi great information Stuart , I’d bought the triumph panniers( bit poor ...wet luggage 😂) and I’d bought the cheap rails ... anyways they are on their way with the se bonneville .... I’m hoping the ones you’ve shown fit the speed twin ... the measurement is 275 mm centre of shock blot to centre of foot peg bolt .... just wondered how this compares to the measurement on the T120 ..... regards as always ....Fred
Brake pin upodate: I have given up on getting that calipher pin out. Its not going anywhere, so I will remove it when the pads have to be replaced in another two years. SOmetimes yoiu ahve to pick your battles, not create ones. Next will be rear brake pads replacement, no overtightening pin this time. :)
I’ll throw my baseball cap in the ring by saying, let other people make reviews about cheap, low quality motorcycle parts. Keep on with the high quality reviews of high quality parts & accessories. There, that’s my two pennies worth, for what it’s worth..... lol
There is a simple choice. If I don't like what is being reviewed I simply skip to the next video. Too many people who's egos wont let them accept another persons point of view.
I like your reviews as they are honest and demand both high quality products and a value for money that only a northerner, like yourself can quantify! Love the backing music to this one, reminds me of a TV programme called Eurotrash and bad elevator music from an American hotel!! It will be stuck in my head for days, thanks.
I totally agree. It’s your channel, review whatever you like, when you like. There are more than enough channels on UA-cam “reviewing” cheap, low quality parts, that appear to be nothing more than advertising channels. Quality always shines through.
Thank you sir,
thanks for the video. Received these rails in the mail today and am eager to get them installed.
Daniel, where did you manage to get them? Having trouble. Thanks
You’re absolutely spot on about the high quality of Motone parts, Stuart, they really are 1st class and worth every penny.
Andy 🏴
Not that you need to explain your choices to me you still did an excellent job of it. I go into your videos counting on your eye for quality and that you feel like something is good enough for you and your bike. Review what you want. I’ll watch. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Jack.
Why would anyone review less than the best parts available? Trust and credibility is a key component of your channel's success. Leave that to others is my vote.
Regardless, yeah on the cost of the Triumph pannier rails. I have them on my T120 Black (they work just fine) and even with a welcomed discount from my dealer, I winced a bit when I added them to the build sheet along w/the Triumph leather bags, as there was no viable alternative last December when I got the bike.
Cheers!
I bought some of these after watching your video. They arrived the very next day which surprised me as I hadn't paid for next day delivery. They really do look a well made item. All I've got to do now is fit them.
Excellent review as usual. I'll be ordering these for my forthcoming trip to Spain; looks like they won't foul my luggage rack.
I was just thinking about purchasing a cheaper non-Chinese supplied set of rails but the quality of these looks to be much better. Thanks for the review :)
There are not many 3-party mod parts companies for my Ural so we have to get creative. I bought the wet-dry over the saddlebags that you had reviewed last year and then I had to buy an adjustable set of luggage frames that attached to my seat rail. It works and the bags don't rub against the rear shock, but they don't make it easy.
From an engineering design perspective I really like the blend radii on the investment cast bracket. As you stated this support carries a majority of the load and needs to be of sufficient strength to undertake its role. Any ‘square’ corners are considered to be potential stress raisers and could lead to fatigue cracking. All the engine aircraft parts that I have worked on during my career with Rolls-Royce always have the appropriate blend radii designed into them, this not only make the component more visually aesthetic but increase its service life.
Hi Michael, I can fully agree on your statement. Fatigue life with such a design will be improved tremendously compared to the flat bracket which is shown as a first version. It's always a tricky thing to chose in the design between stiffnes and "flexibility" on background of resonance behaviour :-) I bought my pair in black, and they look great...
@@georg1411 Sir, Glad that you are happy with your brackets. At RR we used to have design make meetings to reduce the manufacturing costs of our parts. One simple way was to make the finished blend radii coincide with the radii available from the cutting tool suppliers.
Thank you Stuart. It is this kind of attention to detail that does seem to set Motone apart from some of the other aftermarket companies. A black shock dress up kit would look great on your T120. I got mine from errrr Motone!
Hi! Sorry for stupid quastion. But can i unscrew THE top suspensionen screw like you DO in video having My bike standing in THE sidestand? Or DO i have have to lift it Up before i start unscrew
No as demonstrated you can carry this out on the side stand.
This was a really useful video! I have looked at the Motone pannier rails, as well as others. However, the pictures are always from a distance, so it was hard to see how the top end was actually made!
Seeing this video has made my decision easy!
Thank you, Stuart, I always enjoy your videos, and this was no exception! This helped me determine that the Motone pannier rails are what I will be ordering!
These are just what I’m after and have had to go Stateside because I was aware and didn’t want cheap Chinese ones, but alas I did want black.
I'm looking for black as well...
A little patience chaps Rome wasnt built in a day. Motone are working on that one!
@@stuartfillingham7011 When the black comes out how will we know? I'm hoping before my trip in June and there is decent shipping to the States.
Hey Stu, great video as always. Motone care about their customers and their reputation.... Just like your videos. These are a very nice piece of kit and set the bike off nicely.
Nice rails great quality Motone.
Hi Stuart. Great informative video as always. In your opinion would these support the weight of a Trip Machine small messenger bag in their own right. Would only be carrying the usual ride out paraphernalia. Thinking of hanging the bag on the top rail with the rear mounted leather straps. Thanks. Mike.
I’ve been waiting for these! As soon as I can get a set they will replace my Chinese set. Great and very helpful video. Suggestion, how about a video looking back at how some of the many items you’ve shown have held up over time?
Exelent addition Mr Fillingham!!
Thanks you
Regards ✌️
Typical Motone quality and won’t rust 👍🏻 I’ve always said buy cheap buy twice.
Well said sir!
They do look the real deal. I would certainly pay extra for them over the Chinese cheapos!
I was lucky though, Triumph recently had a sale of their air cooled Bonnie accessories and I snapped up a pair for £30!
1st bargain ever direct from Triumph. 😁
Hi Stuart, Love your videos. I have a question, did you clean the threads and add new thread-lock to the bolt for the Rear Shocks when re-threading the screws after installing the pannier rails?
Thanks for the great videos. Can the Burly Brand throw over saddle bags go on the Bobber Black? Do you have to have something else to lock them down?
very strange there is no pannier bars; top box options on the speed twin 1200 but there is on the T120 ?
Hey Stuart, great videos , of wingman & touring , very informative . Thank you ! Just got a t100 and love it , can you tell me , where do you get your screws for the universal pannier rails ? I have chrome , and now black , but no screws ..!
HI Stuart - hope you are well. Please can you tell me which saddle this is? Looks lovely.
Stuart thanks for this informative video. One part in particular caught my attention, the prospect that Motone might be coming up with a panier system for the Bobber???? If you are talking with them , how about suggesting a swingarm bag at a decent price. Triumph has a nice one but at close to $400.00 CAD, a bit steep for my purse!!
Lash
Bought a pair of these rails in early 2021 and fitted them and used them with the lomo panniers. I’ve used them this year with no issue. Wasn’t until I took them off for winter when I realised a very large difference to the lugs on one side in terms of size both depth and width of each lug. I’ll photo them and send them to Motone for comment as I’d be interested in the quality control method they are using.
The Triumph ones are exactly the same. not sure of the reason but there is a reason.
@@stuartfillingham thanks Stu for getting back to me. I’ll ask them and let you know.
"A Tubular Affair" sounds like the title of a Victorian crime novel.
Mikey R or a hit album!
Thank you. A very useful review. Cheers from Switzerland🌼
Thank you very much for the video. No reason to justify being convinced about quality of one compared to another product on the market. Do you use any threadlocker when re.mounting the screws / i.e. Loctite lowstrength ?
are you using the original shock bolts? or do you need longer ones? Im sure the pannier rails take some length away from the bolts
The only challenge with this type of T120 videos is that they’re helping to postpone my purchase of the bike. I’m waiting for a well cared for “preowned” T120 that already has a few thousand invested on farkles & accessories, and this video just made my search a little harder.
I love your videos and your honesty in your reviews. Great video as always.
Thank you 😊
I just ordered this now i i have something to hold my stuff for my trip to new york
Would the passenger be comfortable sitting on with the luggages?
Hi Stuart. Thanks for all the information you give us.
I replaced indicators on my Thruxton 1200r. And LED ones blink faster than original ones. Did you have the same thing happen to your bike. And should I do anything about it, or its normal thing? Thanks again
you need to change the zone setting which is done via the info button, should be explained in your manual.
Thank you so much
did you get it sorted? @@gregsydney6156
Hi Stuart, thanks for this latest video. Do these Motone pannier rail improve on the maximum weight limit of the OEM Triumph rails (3Kg)? Thanks again, Paul.
Hi Paul im totally sure but I think its the Triumph bags that have a 3kg max load although I often put more in mine, that said im sure these are appreciably stronger than the OE items.
Great camera work Stuart, looks like a really nice product. What do you think of the Triumph luggage rack for the Bobber Black? will you be reviewing this? Best regards
Thank you Paul, which rack are your referring to I think there are 2 or 3 out now.
The one's that fit on the rear fender - thanks Paul
Great video as usual, Mr. Stuart. I dig the bag you mounted. What is that brand? Many thanks!
Can't find info online if these would fit my 2015 triumph scrambler...?
Hi Stuart, I got the pannier from Motone, and the bolt on my t120 will not fit. On your video at 2:07, what is size the bolt that you are using?
Not sure Hiro I used the one that came with the bike, I think it might be an M6. did you clean out the thread on the frame ? Triumph use a silly amount of thread lock at assembly which does make the re use of the fastener very tight if the threads are not cleaned out!
@@stuartfillingham Triumph changed the bolt. Here is the picture link to my T120 2019. It's different bolt. I wonder if I order the older version of t120 bolt, would it fit on my bike. drive.google.com/file/d/1edUxHT08F4u1nkXaP1CAv4Sqm-yXatZu/view?usp=sharing
@@stuartfillingham Motone will send me the bolt. Excellent customer service.
They look much better than Triumph's one's Cheers Stuart
thanks for the video stuart, love the channel. question for ya, does the position of the shorty predator pros relative to the pannier create a risk that the pannier may be fouled or damaged (melted?) by exhaust? feels like a stupid question, but i'll ask it anyway for anyone else wondering. thank you!
Will shorter Hagon shocks (
The rails dont affect the rear suspension in any way!
Hey Stuart. Nice vid. Do you think the bags would fit on the stock Triumph T120 rails? David
Absolutely!
I really like those saddle bags. Who is the vendor? Greetings from the States! Safe journeys!
Hi
I own a 125 wk scrambler and was wonder if these would happen to fit my bike would you know please?
Hi Stuart, thanks for all your great videos. I just received my bonneville t100 last week, my first triumph ever, and I'm stuck on your channel. Can I ask you what you apply on the bolt before putting it back. I saw that you use a small stick. Thanks!
medium loctite
Hi Stuart, can you please review the burly brand luggage rack. ?
Do they make one for the bonnevilles?
@@stuartfillingham7011 Yes Stuart, they do. this is the part number B15-1060B.
@@maheswaran1212 ah thanks i shall have a look
Hi Stuart, can these bars also be applied to the interceptor? I always follow your videos. thanks and...good road.
Thanks
Ernesto from Italy
No but RE have some in the pipeline!
Facebook groups are surprisingly filled with bullies - I experienced that once and left right away... Funny thing was that the guy who did the wordly lambasting, did have a name and address - and it appaered the same name was connected to some activity that was against bullying. Well, could be another guy... :)
But, that seems a good quality item, why would people complain of that? For heavy loaders, I would still design a small third connection between the support and the rail that goes around the rear of the seat, maybe. But just for heavy loads.
I know I'm digging far back into your memory bank, but have you had any issues with those saddlebags and that short slipon?
Nope!
Hi uncle Stu, mind to review or test pannier rails for RE Interceptor ?. Thanks !.
Hi Stuart - very interesting and I agree with your selection of quality products! Same question - what about rails for the Speedmaster. I’m planning some touring for the “season” and wonder if you have any advice or tips you’d like to share on soft panniers and soft bag to sit on the existing rear rack. Thanks Stuart. Yours aye, Alan
I shall look in to it allan!
Stuart excellent demonstration. Having trouble purchasing these brackets. Can you suggest where they can be purchased please? Many thanks
Motone customs. link is in the video description. 12% discount code CACTUS
Stuart thank you for your speedy response. Just looked on your link and it's described as suitable for the triumph bonneville T100 2017 and upwards. Mine is a 2015, will these do? Many thanks
@@alanlicence200 check out motones website. They have a version for the AC bonnevilles too.
Stuart ignore an old fart! Just found them all ordered. Discount code didn't work but no worries just glad to have found them. Now to watch your video again so I can fit them. Thanks again. Alan
Hey Stuart! Thanks for your video. Always love your reviews. I have a problem fitting and wondered if you have a tip? The issue isn’t with the rails but actually with the footpeg fitting. On both sides the nut and the stem it’s attached to just spin after a certain point. So frustrating! Any ideas anyone?
lol yes. fold the foot peg out hold on to it with your hand as you tighten the nut and at the same time push down firmly on the foot peg.
@@stuartfillingham thanks for the quick reply! I’ll give this a go! This is for removing the nut ... I guess same approach
Definitely a better-looking piece with that weld ground down and polished like that, the sort of detail that often gets overlooked. You mentioned the LC T100, do they not fit the older AC ones?
yes attention to detail is what makes a brand stand out from the crowd I think!
will it can be fitted to streettwin ?
Hi Stu, Thanks for clearing up this issue. By the way I like the panniers you've mounted. Which brand are they? Thanks again for all the good info.
Have you seen anything like this for the Interceptor, Stuart?
royal enfield have released some but they are not available in the UK yet.
Hey mate, could you check the option from UA-cam that creating AI English subtitles ? Some of your videos do have subtitles, while some don't. It could be very helpful to understand your deep review for our none native speakers.
Hi all are videos are enables for subtitles however they are reliant on someone actually translating the video and putting them in.
Thank you pal!
Hi great information Stuart , I’d bought the triumph panniers( bit poor ...wet luggage 😂) and I’d bought the cheap rails ... anyways they are on their way with the se bonneville .... I’m hoping the ones you’ve shown fit the speed twin ... the measurement is 275 mm centre of shock blot to centre of foot peg bolt .... just wondered how this compares to the measurement on the T120 ..... regards as always ....Fred
I shall look into it!
stuart fillingham much obliged Stuart .....
Cracking review mate...
Does anyone know if I need a torque wrench when reinstalling the shock bolt? Or would “tight… but not too tight work”?
Interested in the torque specs myself. Just getting ready to install mine.
My suggestion is to get the torque from the bike manufacturers service manual. I'd say proper torque is probably important here.
Brake pin upodate: I have given up on getting that calipher pin out. Its not going anywhere, so I will remove it when the pads have to be replaced in another two years. SOmetimes yoiu ahve to pick your battles, not create ones. Next will be rear brake pads replacement, no overtightening pin this time. :)
Wish they made these for a guzzi
What type of luggage fits on these?
most soft luggage.
I’ll throw my baseball cap in the ring by saying, let other people make reviews about cheap, low quality motorcycle parts. Keep on with the high quality reviews of high quality parts & accessories. There, that’s my two pennies worth, for what it’s worth..... lol
I had to remove the foot pegs as the nut that holds the peg was spinning on the bolt. Simple job. Overall great quality pannier.
BLACK BLACK BLACK PLEASE!
Stuart, your stuff is going to get absolutely filthy. What in God's name is that bike doing with no rear mudguard?
Doh… Its fitted with a tail tidy!