Beginner Snare VS Pro Snare: Can PRO Drummers Hear A Difference?
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2020
- Can you tell the difference between a cheap snare & a pro snare? Let's find out!
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its definitely A
A is more expensive
I got one right and one wrong
I had them both right, usually with more expensive snares the over tone is more controlled for studio session quality. Less ring = better recording quality. This can also be heard with the snare Dave Grohl uses in the video "PLAY" where he plays all the different types of instruments. Usually in a studio setting, producers have drummers adjust their snares at lower tuning then what they normally play.
Gabe, been a fan for a long time and appreciate all the videos, tips, tricks and positive channel. Keep up the great work!
I got the first two right, but they both sounded really good.
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i just passed out from the sheer heat in this thread
Gabe: which snare is expensive?
Harry: do I get 1,300$?
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LOL out of the box there is NO COMPARISION! The utility does sound better than its price point tho.
For sure! The quality difference can be heard right away, but with a little tuning, the Utility can sound really awesome!
its just was untuned from box lol
I am definitely someone who thinks that better gear will give a greater motivation to keep playing. Better gear can mean so many more possibilities, even if it's just the timbre. Awesome work man!
Of course!
@@DrumBeatsOnline Yeah!
There is certainly some truth to the idea that buying something expensive gives you that "Now I gotta get my money's worth!" motivation, but the fact is, a good drummer can make even a bad kit sound great, and a bad drummer will sound bad no matter how much the kit costs. And if you're just starting out, it will be a long time before you are legitimately limited by even a cheap kit.
Better playing will give better motivation than any upgrade, don't forget that ;)
That's right.
It's aaalllll a matter of:
1) Head choice
2) Tuning
3) Recording method: mics, placement, mixing
However, the shell thickness and material also play huge role))) Hence the price difference
when the "cheap" snare is more expensive than your entire kit
Facts. LOL.
I'm hoping that means you bought a decent kit in used condition rather than a horrible quality kit brand new, lol.
Lmao same
HAHAHAHAHAH
Same... I wish he could talk about how to make a $20 drum to sound as good lololol...
I love how the Nashville session guy asked for the $1300. This video was awesome and I love how you brought my favorite youtube drum guys together.
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Thanks for this video Gabe! The studio I teach at has been in need of a decent snare drum for a long time, but usually can’t find something that won’t break the bank! That Modern Utility will really help us out, thanks again for showcasing these awesome snares!!
I love whenever Harry shows up in a video cause its good to know he's still kickin
Editing in this channel is sick
That means a lot thanks Nick!
My answer about the expensive one was always the right choice, but i gotta admit, 200$ doesn't sounds bad. We can still hear the quality differences but 200$ one is really not bad at all.
I couldn't agree more!
absolutely
I’m a beginner drummer, this was very helpful. Definitely going for a budget kit for my first acoustic kit. Price won’t matter in my early stages, I just want to get my skills up before anything else.
That was very cool. I spotted the expensive drum almost all the time. But I thought the differences were not night and day, the more expensive had more body and it was also a comparison of steel vs. brass. All in all, both drums sounded very good!
I'm just finding it hard to justify the difference in price. The cheap one still sounds pretty good likely because it's been tuned well. Try a $75 snare vs that $200 snare and I'm sure you'll notice more of a difference
I agree that the snare doesn't sound $1100 better, but it's not really for us. It's not even really for people who are very good at drums. It's for people who make a living recording drums. People who own this own studios or are professional drummers who have 10 other snares like this of different materials in their studio. To them, this snare sounds like it's worth every penny because it sounds exactly the way it does. It really is an excellent, top tier, snare.
I got both of those first two right...the giveaway for me was the drier, shorter sound that I've heard more often on lower end snare drums compared to the more complex, vibrant, resonant sound that's usually a feature of snares made of better materials. The last one with the pro drummers was tough, though, and I missed it. :(
Gabe partially thanks to you I went and got a pearl masters maple complete kit and I’m in love with it. I saw in your pearl reveal video you weren’t sure yet or were thinking about possible setups of using your kit and how you like the ride in the certain spot. I started using the offset setup with 2 up and 2 down and the ride is still in that perfect spot!
I love this! So glad you are enjoying the new Pearl kit!
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Cool video. I've owned a few snares over the years. Some entry level, some collectors items. Tuning and heads are a big deal. Application also is a factor. A few of my prior owned snares. Ludwig Coliseum. Rogers powertone- 1964. Tama power piccolo- early 2000s.
This is a great video! You can absolutely get good sounds out of cheaper drums. A lot of it comes down to tuning and heads. I bought a Mapex piccolo snare for around $60 and it's one of the best sounding drums I own. For anyone curious I've used it on my channel.
3/3 dude!
Fun comparison! I’ve got 2 Ludwig 5x14” snares, a 70s Vistalite and a lm400 supraphonic.
Love this vids man! Your ayotte kit is sick!
Personaly I can hear the difference between them, but I prefer the cheapest one! 😅
Time after time, people have shown that there is very little difference in sound between two identically tuned drums, cheap and expensive. But I still go for high-end drums for so many reasons other than sound - I just love something beautifully made from high quality components. Having said that, I really, really enjoyed having one of the cheapest Gretsch kits, the Catalina Club Jazz. It was a pleasure to play and sounded fantastic. I also like contradicting myself.
Pretty impressive comparison and nice job on the tuning! sometimes i was like all 3, there was such a slight difference that i couldn't make a choice too. I believe it's a matter of taste, it's a personal choice depending on the sound you want. And for that matter, it's not about the snare you play, it's about the sound. In the other hand, it's always easier to tune an expensive snare, because most of the time you don't need to fix it too much, and you can get a lot of variations of sounds which is not the case for a cheap snare, very limited i think...
I own a RFB1465 and guess every time his crunchy and massive sound. Love it since heard in Robar - "Before & After" recorded by Travis Orbin. Thanks for interesting test and good quality!
Great vid man. Great tone from that 200 snare.
I got all of em correct, the last clip was a bit tricky.
The different shell material made it easier to guess imo.
first time on this channel and damn, the quality is awesome. feels like a filmmaker's channel. subbed
Heck yes! Welcome to the family my friend!
Man love your videos I’ve learned so much from you
What I learned from this video:
I can hear the difference between the cheap and expensive snare and yes, the more expensive snare sounds better, BUT there's a 650% price difference and maybe like 10% sound difference (with the same heads and tuning, that is).
Its easy to tell which one is which. The pixels colors give them away. Plus the first 2 shots you could see the bottom of the snares that didn't get covered up. Great video. Also love the academy. Glad I just joined a week ago.
I got them right. Yay, me! But if I’m being honest, I preferred the Utility’s sound over the Reference. I have a couple high-end Pearl snares and they do respond quickly to tuning adjustments and are beautiful instruments to play.
The Distance of the Overheads have an impact on the 2 snares. i say use a 1 mic in front of the middle space where the 2 snares meet so you can still capture the cymbals plus the 2 individual snare mics
Exactly. You can definitely hear that snare B is phasey due to the difference in distance from the overhead compared to snare A
Great video. I have no shame in admitting i liked the cheap snare more....the expensive one has more body...more warmth and sings a bit more, BUT on a personal level i love the brightness of the cheap snare...It has quick attack, quick decay and a naturally higher pitch. I got them wrong on the first clip. With a lower tuning i preferred the more expensive snare because it sung and was way smoother..BUT I still prefer the cheap one because i never tune that low. I always have my snare tuned high. i want my snare to CRACK. I am still using a Dixon 13x4 snare drum that i bought for around 100$ CAD used...Ive recorded with it...played many shows with it....i still LOVE it. And another beautiful part about music...its all personal preference.
I work at a music store and go through gear like crazy and would like to share some thoughts I have on this subject.
-From my experience, it’s pretty hard to make a steel snare sound bad, especially with a coated head on it.
-From my experience, snares sometimes don’t show much difference when recorded but if you play it live you might be able to tell a bigger difference. For example, I prefer using my brass snare live rather than my aluminum for most songs because it tends to really cut through the mix.
-From my experience, wood snares usually have more dramatic differences. The cheaper ones tend to be very thin sounding and have nasty overtones.
The 2 MAIN things I have come to realize about cheap vs expensive drums;
1. Overtones - cheeper drums typically will have worse overtones or maybe the air travels awkwardly through the shell giving it a weird resonance.
2. Tuning range - cheaper drums will only sound good at one or a few specific tunings or will have clarity/dynamic issues in certain tunings.
Dude those are like my 2 fav snares ever the reference being my fav probably!! (Btw u can still see the gold when u blur the reference snare lol)
I’m looking to buy a new snare, so I’m looking closely at many snares and actually got them all correct.
The hard ones were the low tuning, but like David said, you could hear it in the tones. Then the high tuning was also pretty tough, but what did it for me was the articulation of the snares.
Articulation is due to the player.
I got all three. The third test was def the hardest but the expensive snare had more of a quality I can only describe as “bite”. Not much of a drummer but I am an amateur producer, so it’s good to know I have a decent ear for drum tones
Harry is the man !!!! luv his drumming and attitude
When you said you tuned the bottom side first does that go for all drums or just the snare drum? I'm assuming for all drums & not just the snare drum right?
I can hear the difference. For a fair comparison, I closed my ears. Man I love the sound of that Pearl Reference Brass snare. Epic Video.
I'm loving it as well! So glad you liked the video!
You closed your ears ??? 😱😱😱
Why is everyone surprised the $200 snare sounds good? It cost $200. Think of something else you own that costs $200. It's probably pretty good quality.
Exactly
Got both questions at the beginning right, and I'm not even a drummer :P The cheaper tom just sounded "looser" from it's resonance body (if that makes sense) and it had more sound "byproducts".
I got it 3/3
the Brass snare was beast and I could hear the difference. The low tuning was closer tone but noticed the over tones were less in the brass for sure.
I was so shocked when you said A was more expensive in the first trial because B sounded so much better for me
By the flams i found a better
That's what this experiment is all about!
for me it comes to the way you play the snare or how you tune it makes it sounds better.
I guessed right twice. The expensive snare has more presence but both sounded really good.
Did it by ear and closed eyes. Got all right. The Brass got this nice warmth around it. You can hear it in every tuning. Steel has always some aggressive frequencies. But to be honest. The Modern Utility is also a great drum. Loved the low tuning.
I got all of them right, but I have to say... those sounds are pretty close. Really cool how good the 200 dollar snare sounded, I didn't expect that. Awesome video!!
Hi, cool video and nice concept !
The overheads mics don't capture the B snare in the same way than the A snare, so both of the snares aren't really compared in the same conditions...
To me I preferred the $200 snare. it wasn't as thick sounding but it was more open and had more crack to it which is the sound I prefer. Thanks for the comparison video!!
ok here goes....snare B to your left was pearl reference?and right where it should be is the modern utility?snare A. die cast hoops make a difference and same goes with head and snare wire choice,in my opinion.love your videos bud,awesome subjects you cover,thank you.
Am I the only one wishing Harry did more videos ?
That's every drummers greatest wish
Got first one A second I missed thought A sounded better (Modern Utility low tuning). Both sounded great in both though. I personally have the Modern Utility 6.5 Maple snare and upgraded to die cast hoops and 30strand snare wires and LOVE it.
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Amazing video sir loved the video.. make more videos on budget drumming.. love from India 👍👍
Yeah the Utility sounds great I bought it 4 months ago and still really like it
I answered all questions right, it's because I can notice the sound that's near my tuning, the cheap one. they Sound more similar than the Expensive one.. I use Fernando drums.. As I can say, Their difference was, the expensive one has a compression like effect and doesn't lose the tone that makes it sound better and the Cheap one sounds more open.
Besides better sound and ease of tuning of the Reference snare drum, it is just a beautiful drum to hit on, with the weight of the drum the response you got from the drum after each stroke would be more satisfying on the Reference snare drum than on the Utility one. Having a beautiful looking and nice sounding drum will just make one wanna play more and explore more on the tonal possibilities on each square millimetre of the drum =) Great video man!!
IDK how, but I got them both right. It can really be heard even on a UA-cam video. The more expensive one has many nice overtones, so the sound is really more saturated. I'm not sure if I could pass the test "$800 vs $1000" though, but this one is really easy.
The only thing not surprising is that Harry nailed every one. Dude!’s ear is incredible. Friends of mine had him lay down a beat for their tune, based on a sample they couldn’t get rights to, and Harry could tell they modulated the sample 1/2bpm different. 1/2 BPM! And he could tell!!
When I compare drums, I like to actually play the drum. I'll run through some rudimental excercises, play some riffs, some snare solos and marches. Get the full sound and response from the drum.
Snare A sounds like a Snare having a small bit of the "Tom Tom" resonance. I would always go for snare B.
With a good drummer a cheap or a expensive snare drum would always sounds amazing !!!
I feel like a expensive snare drum and a more affordable snare drum can both sounds pretttty similar. But imo the advantage of expensive ones is how easy they are to tune and get a maximum amount of good sounds and possibilities.
(I bought a Benny Greb signature snare drum and this is what amazed me firstly!)
I got both right, the reference had more depth and tone so stood out more in the mix
I was able to guess all three correctly. But what was really surprising to me was that I liked the tone of both since they’re both Pearl. I’m not usually a fan of Pearl, but I might need to give them a second look.
I surprised myself by getting all three correct but I think you did a great job as it was purely gut feeling for me as I am not a drummer. This is a great video though as it shows people who can't afford expensive gear that you can still get a great sound from a less expensive snare.
Perhaps a follow up video showing what you did with the cheaper snare to get that sound would be helpful to drummers out there. 👍
That's awesome, so glad you enjoyed it! Hopefully the tuning tips at the end of the video helped explain that process!
I guessed everything right, there is that roundness, that full body of brass one, that's just singing better than the cheaper one, which sounds fine, but a little bit papery and dry i comparison to the heavy boi. Great video dude :D
Edit: Gabe, floor toms sound great too, but that ring coming from them when you hit your kick drum is kinda uncomfortable to the ear ;)
I got them both right (honestly), the higher tuning was easier to pick out the differences than the lower tuning. The snare wires one the cheaper snare sounded buzzier than the expensive one, and the expensive one sounded more beefy, probably because of the die cast hoops..? Back when I played, and I changed from the 2.3mm flanged hoops to the die cast hoops i couldn't believe how much a difference it made in the sound. The type of heads and tuning also play a huge role in the drum's sound. Also, with good microphones and mixing, you can make any drum sound great.. as long as its tuned :) Cool video!
I love the sound of the pearl reference. Me personally I would rather save up and get the more expensive one, im not a huge fan of my snare, not even sure what brand it is or anything but I can never get a decent sound that I want out of it. I think for the cheaper price I would love to have the cheaper snare and like you said, spend some time really getting that sound out of it.
These are great thoughts Devin! Well stay tuned because you may get a chance to win the Utility as a DBO Academy member!
@@DrumBeatsOnline oh sweet. Speaking of DBO, I hadn't had much time to practice on the kit lately, with the whole family home is really hard. But I have been putting in hours of practice pad exercises everyday.
I got all of them right if was super easy, it was obvious here that the more expensive one was better!
Awesome vid gabe, you should upload an open drum solo video it could be really cool!
One of my favorite sounding / recording snare drums is an Amazon bought Sawtooth brand snare drum made out of Poplar. I've owned the gamut of snare drums and have been playing for close to thirty years have digged over a thousand times. As long as your drum is in round, and you know how to tune, you will have a good sounding snare drum. Let's not forget that a lot of snare drum sound comes down to how you play it very similar to guitar players Etc
It's very similar when you set the snare into low tuning, great video!!
Agreed!
Epic video shots in the intro!
Don't know what its worth but when I played gigs in high school, the only thing I could afford was a Poplar Tama Imperial star,I changed out the reso and batter head, plus the snare wires, made sure it was always in good tuning and I'd get compliments on how it sounded all the time.
Everytime I got it right.
I think, the key is that with the standard tuning the expensive snare souns more focused and sharper, while in the low tuning it has that PUNCH.
Thanks for this video. I definitely going to do more research to get my new snare. I have an old Tama swingstar metal snare and still sounds pretty good. Curious, the other tom drum is also by Pearl? And is that he reference series? Also, the cymbal with holes in it, is that a trash crash? Thanks.
Excellent content. By the way, which camera is used? Incredible capture and editing job.
I've been a drummer for 10 years now, and I've been using a Pearl VPX Strata (Birch) snare for a couple years. It cost me $125, and I think it sounds amazing, as well as my fellow church band members. My old drum teacher told me to spend more on my cymbals
That's awesome!
I have a dumster snare and I had people with full pearl reference sets call me out on how good it sounds. So np if you use the sound right everything can sound good! Better Gear can mean that you keep the motivation to play......
For sure! Tuning can take you far!
Beautiful drums my friends
What type of Evans heads did you replace the stock ones with? No DrumDial? Fun video, thanks.
Curious if you modded the Utility with die cast hoops and put same heads on both if they would get closer.
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I could not tell which was the cheap and which was the expensive. They both sounded really good to me. [and your playing is phenomenal] I do agree that good quality equipment motivates a player to keep playing and the pro snare looked amazing. If I had the $$ for the expensive snare - yep - I'd buy it versus the $200. However, considering your gig audience is mostly non-drummers, and taking into account that even the experienced guest drummers that you invited in this video had a hard time distinguishing the difference, I doubt any audience member would know the difference between a $200 snare and a $1,300 snare. Harry - you guessed correctly, but because you didn't give a reason for your choices, we have no idea if you truly have a good ear for quality snares or if you just got lucky. If you have the ear - I'd be interested to know what you were listening for and how you could tell. But be honest - did you really just get lucky? If anyone else got the correct answers, I'd like to know from you too - what were you listening for - and please...be honest...if you really just got lucky, fess up. Having said all that - the $1,300 snare looks amazing, and I'd love to play that monster at practice and gigs. Looks and quality equipment are the real difference here.
I got the 3 correct, but honestly I think it was because of my in ears (kz ZSX) I heard better the attack, the decay and the snare wires. Try using good sounding earphones
Dude how’d you get Harry out of Wyoming for this video
I am pretty proud of myself for getting all of them right haha. I personally liked the utility because it was beefy and had tone. It was moody. The reference was for sure solid and consistent (with amazing hardware), but the only thing I liked was the tightness. To me it was just bells and whistles for a tight sound but not really a versatile or tonal drum
Congrats!!
Very difficult. Both sounded great. Awesome video
100% correct for me. Thanks for the Video
Using my phone speakers: A, then B. There was more body to the sound... though I wasn't nearly as sure the second time, and went by 'a more expensive snare probably has more range'.
I missed only one of them and and I was hearing through my phone's speaker, not through headphones. You can definitively get a very nice sound from a $200 snare drum though.
Awesome video!
Definitely hearing the difference between the two, the fact that only the Reference snare is equipped with cast hoops it’s a dead giveaway.
Awesome Video!
Great vid man! Regards from Indonesia.
Hii, which is the best snare drum skin for wooden snare 14X5 DW PDP? Please suggest.
Did the complete ‘blind’ sound test and was 100%. I preferred the 1300 dollar snare and picked it out each time. Fun video!
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very very important video...... shows how RELATIVE perceive of sound is......
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@@DrumBeatsOnline I think an important issue with cheap drum hardware is lacking tuning stability........
I got both tests right, however it is suprising that there isn't much of a difference, the cheap one will still "do the job" and sounds very decent. The more expensive drum has much richer tone and wider bandwith, it sounds to me like 15-25% better :) but still 5 times as expensive! i own a supraphonic and fell in love... so pay for the snares! it's worth it!
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