"She broke the glass ceiling in terms of business." Um, alright. "She makes alot of money." ..... "Stops. Decides to have a family." Okay, that's enough Jeff. "Goes back in [to work]." Shh, stop Jeff. STOP!
I think after knowing her as a person, after filming with her, it must've felt awkward to retrospectively concede publically that her profession alone makes her an anti-hero. Even if he's wrong, it doesn't need to be implied as an inherit character flaw, just a casting error.
Well...that's kind of blurred there anyway, because depending on what you read, Gen X ends anywhere between 81-83, and there's the whole Xennial definition that encompasses anyone born between 79-83 who is in the middle of both generations, so I can see the justification for Ken being on the Gen X tribe
@@NYChica23This is very true; I thought they would avoid people in the borderline. This comes up in my own life a lot. My parents have stated that they both identify closely with generation X and my dad insists that he usually sees the cut off listed as his birth year, '63. I told him that I've seen it listed as '65 more than once. He recently told me he's cedars at '65 to now, but was sure he remembered seeing it at '62 or even earlier many years ago. Then there's me. I identify about equally with '000s and gen z. I REALLY identify with the "awkward borderline starter pack" memes (I didn't have a DS or watch Avatar, but I had friends who did). My partner has argued with me that his sister is at the cutoff date, with her '96 birthday, but I argue that 2000 HAS to be the cutoff date, if not 2001, not because of anything about culture or personality but because of the name. Is it fair to say I don't fit in with older millennials? Sure! Don't want me to be one? Too bad! Should have named it better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That's like asking for "canines" and being surprised when you get wolves and foxes. If you wanted dogs, you should have asked for dogs. I also feel like whether or not you were alive for 9/11 or whether you can remember the age before smartphones would be a fairly appropriate generational cutoff, and I definitely do both of those. Then again, being able to remember 9/11 might also be an appropriate cutoff, which I cannot do. Wow, sorry, I did not mean to write an essay about the generations. It's something I have a weird amount to say about considering that my parents and I agree that people put way too much stock in this stuff. Still, that doesn't mean that separating by age was a bad idea for a twist. I just think they really really should have been more careful about the ages they picked.
@@NYChica23I think it would have just been a better idea if they didn't include any Xennials. Wow, I've never heard that word in my life but speech to text knew what I meant. Maybe I would have less to say about which generation I fall into if there was an agreed-upon term for millennium babies.
Following the hypothetical of Debbie starting 32 on Brawn beach makes it very reasonable to assume she doesn't make it to the swap, let alone the merge, which means she's also absent from game changers. I like that universe.
This one gets more frustrating the more you think about it. Bobby being like 3 months younger than her and being a 'younger man' is just salt in the wound.
to be fair she is one of the 4 oldest women on the cast. the female side of that cast just wasn't very old. labeling melinda, cirie, and shane as "old" was still kind of insulting though, especially when bobby was labeled "young"
I think that’s why they said “older” instead of “old”. The people in older tribes were older relative to the young tribes. I don’t think it’s intended to say “32 year old women are old”
@@IdoledOut according to bandit-survivor contestant candice and parvati were originally on opposite tribes but swapped them out because if parvati was on the heroes tribe there would be 4 micronesia people on that tribe
I think we were told with tai that the tribes were sorted on what value they like strive for, hold high, guides them etc. So tai being a gardener making green spaces BEAUTIFUL is entirely on theme with the beauty tribe.
Counter argument: Tai is one of the best placed contestants on beauty tribe. He is beautiful on the inside, as a person. Everyone else was external beauty, he was internal
I completely agree that production got it wrong when they put Alecia on Brawn Tribe. It would have made more sense if she was on Beauty Tribe and Anna was on Brawn Tribe (Debbie can stay on Brains Tribe). Alecia gave it everything she had with the cards she was dealt. I personally believe she deserves a second chance, especially after Caleb was med-evacuated and they waited to do tribe swaps until she got voted out.
They should have put Debbie the gymnast on the Brawn Tribe. She has a great sense of balance and can zip across a beam in two minutes when it took Hali ten.
@@anteerat I am aware of her very controversial opinions. Meh. Garrett did even worse than her (also a poker player), except he survived one tribal council.
You emphasized Candace a lot, but, I also never really understood why Sugar was also on the Heroes tribe. You could also mention the convoluted choices for who are considered fans and favorites in Micronesia and Caramoan. While many of those players did fit the tribe, for other players, it was a bit of a stretch in their respective tribe.
for sugar, i think it was because her main gameplay was wanting the ‘good people’ to go further and win. she voted out people like ace, charlie, randy, crystal, and kenny because she didn’t like they way they were acting and felt like bob and matty were more deserving
@@nizzle428 that's fair, but tbh, idr much about Gabon. All I remember about her specifically is when she was exiled a couple times and being pretty toxic during final tribal. A complete lack of respect to some of the jury members. Idr much of her gameplay itself, or lack there of.
@@romanzolanski6256 I'm a bit indifferent when it comes to Candice, so I'm not trying to defend her exactly. I'm just looking at it in a different light. She was only taking advantage of a twist (mutiny in this case) to get back to her alliance. At the time you can't really blame her because she thought she would have the numbers. She was on the bottom of Aitu. It would have been the right move for her, but no one knew at the time that Aitu would take over. There are a number of players who take advantage of new twists for their own purposes and self preservation, and they aren't always considered villains. I guess it's all about the edit.
Poor Alecia. I remember feeling so terribly for her. If I remember correctly, Cydney was pretty smart (and very pretty as well), and I think she could've been on any of the three tribes.
So what I'm getting is: - Chrissy should have been a hustler and Simone a hero (based on job descriptions alone) - Nina is white collar, Shirin is no-collar (which we do see come merge) Not sure why casting didn't just do that in the first place? But there must have been other stuff that came out in the casting process to justify these two very weird placements.
For these 4 particular cases, I think I can pinpoint why - they wanted a good mix of ages on each tribe. In non-returnee seasons they usually don't want there to be too many or too few "older women" on any tribe, as that can imbalance the tribes both challenge-wise and socially.
@@thebumpercar1344 in the case of bc/wc/nc i think that might've been an issue but i think the chrissy-simone switch would've been a wash in terms of both tribe stretch n ages
@@uglyaniimals : Now that you mention that, I think you might be sort of right? Heroes tribe had the two oldest women in the cast on the same tribe, and the two oldest castaways on this season period. Hustlers' oldest tribemate was 35, 6 years younger than the oldest member of the Healers tribe. But then two of the younger players this season turned out to be bad at challenges.
Candice has confirmed on a podcast that she was originally in red clothing and was going to be on the villains tribe, and Parvati was in blue clothing so she thinks they were been switched last minute before the game started.
I believe that’s probably because they didn’t want to put James, Cirie, Amanda and Parvati all on the same tribe. That was always my guess as to why they switched.
The comparatives (ie oldER and youngER men and women) essentially gives survivor justification for the weird splits there: Cirie and Melinda were factually among the older woman in the cast (the third and fourth oldest respectively) survivor just picked a cast and divided them in an unusual way like in Amazon and Vanuatu. Furthermore on Tai's inner beauty vs Alecia's inner brawn. At least inner beauty is actually a thing that people talk about. No one says that someone who is determined has "inner brawn". Congrats to Cagayan and DvG for escaping this list.
Theoretically the poker player could have been on the Brains tribe. Garrett being an example. But not THAT poker player. It’s been made clear she’s particularly lacking in the one requisite for being a “brain”.
Personally I think they should have switched Alecia and Tai, because as we see in the season Tai is pretty physically competent, what with him climbing all the trees and taking care of the tribe, and he even won immunity. I don't think that would have been the BEST spot for him but it would have made more sense at least.
This is me realising over and over that I buy into the justifications the survivor producers give for these weird placements lol. I was like you don’t get that Chrissy is a mom!?!?
The thing is I've never once heard Cirie say she was apart of the "Black Widow Brigade." That is Parvati's thing I don't think Amanda or Cirie ever called themselves that. Maybe Natalie did. Danielle voting out Terry pissed a lot of people off.
I've been pitching Boomers vs Zoomers for years now!!! Survivor is running out of time now too. Boomers are ~58-73 years old. Zoomers are ~11-26. It'd be totally unfair physically and they'd probably end up with some medical issues. But I would love to see the generational clash.
The question I want to know is why did Sierra Dawn Thomas get picked for Game Changers over Carolyn (Mama C) Rivera when Jeff said he wanted to see her back and promised that she would be back..?
The casting on Brain vs. Brawn vs. Beauty 2 was so wacky at the time I was convinced they had intentionally put one person that didn't belong on each tribe to deepen the social experiment. I still think that's an excellent idea, but now I realize they just suck at theming.
Simone from HHH was a "diversity advocate"? Got nothing against diversity or anything, but how does that job fit as a "hustler"? its just, an ordinary white collar job
As an actuary I’d like to thank you for the shout out. Glad we’re finally getting the recognition we deserve. All the time we spend in xcel truly makes us heroic
I used to be an actuary, and while "saving insurance companies money" is kind of a gross oversimplification, I remember laughing at her inclusion in the heroes tribe. Actuarial science is hard, cold business, without the kind of emotional lift you require to consider something "heroic". Even the glass ceiling argument is pretty weak. I had a ton of female colleagues, many in power positions. She was still a good casting choice though. Casting over theme always works.
My mum had a theory for the brain v brawn v beauty season, she said that they placed a brain in the beauty tribe and a brawn in the beauty tribe and a beauty in the brown tribe…. If that makes sense… for example tai on beauty tribe, like the fella was super smart
I admit that I didn't like Alecia... but I hated Scot and Jason a lot more. In fact, Scot is one of my least favorite Survivor contestant... ever. Scot seems to be the biggest hypocrite that I have ever seen on Survivor... he bullies Alicia, he has this I'm always right attitude, and he got irritated when Alecia voted for him when he did the same thing to her (when writing Ale-see-ya). I mean what did he expect, Alecia not vote when he and every other contestant did. He would have the same attitude when Tai and Cydney voted him off.
I don't believe that you don't really know I Candace was on the hero's tribe the reason she was on Heroes versus Villains is because they kind of owed her a return because she couldn't make Micronesia and then for Heroes versus Villains she was originally on the villains tribe and parv was on the hero's tribe but Russell said that Boston Rob complained about something and they swapped them the last minute
I kind of hope you do this for returning tribe seasons because I still think - besides the obvious frustrating placement of Candice on Heroes... or her on HVV in general - Cirie and Amanda should've been on the Villains tribe. I don't care that it would've been a Black Widow Brigade reunion (especially considering Natalie AND Erik were on standby for HVV), like... justifying Cirie and Amanda as "heroes" for being more light-hearted in their gameplay is ridiculous. If anything, Cirie was the queenpin of the BWB, Parvati rallied the troops, and Amanda deserves an Oscar for acting her ass off and betraying Alexis at the F5 of Micronesia.
You're probably right. For Cirie though, I think they were going off of Panama Cirie instead of Micronesia Cirie. Her whole Panama narrative was this heroic journey of someone who got off the couch and did very well in the game. So I can see why she fits on the Hero tribe. For Amanda, she's such a neutral player that it's gonna be hard to put her in either tribe. So I guess it just came down to where there's a space to be filled in, the Villain girls were leaps and bounds more villainous than Amanda so she probably became a Hero by default.
I think that Amanda, in both her prior seasons, was portrayed more heroically (and portrayal is what matters, nearly all of the heroes had seriously villainous elements to their game(s)) due to being in an endgame alliance with people who leaned into the villain role (Todd, Courtney, Parvati and Natalie). Keep in mind especially that, IIRC, Amanda being in on the Ozzy vote was not out in the open at the time of HvV. As @R L said Cirie was more a hero for Panama (similarly Steph was there for Palau Steph as opposed to the obviously villainous Guatemala Steph).
I always wondered why LJ was on the beauty tribe. I asked it on Reddit one time and got both downvoted and insulted in a judgement free questions post…
People justified Tai on beauty with his personality, why can’t Alecia’s strong ass tolerance be her brawn quality. People don’t take well to being bullied or ousted on survivor and Alecia just was vibing. She made fire for five hours too…
The whole point of Tai being on beauty was supposed to be inner beauty. I think there's a difference between a questionable casting choice and a clever subversion of expectations
Scot Pollard repeatedly flexing his "champion" status over Alicia when he played for about 3 total hours of the Boston Celtics' championship-winning season (for non-sports fans: that's in a season of 82 games that are each 48 minutes long), none of it in the playoffs, never fails to both frustrate and amuse me.
They should have switched Alecia and Julia. Alecia and Julia basically look like they are sisters, but Julia seemed to get along with the Brawn tribe much better.
Really wish they'd leave Fiji for a season or two for themes again. Some seasons where it's based off the culture are so good. Like let's get a pirate season again, please. or just don't care you're on fijiand start making themes anyway.
Yknow ironically coach was more a villain on outh pacific than he was on heroes vs villains I mean remember that bro moment crisis of conscious moment coach had with Tyson about being seen as a villain
Can we just have a season called "Survivor Apocalypse" where the theme means taking alllllll the worst players and see who wins! Seriously, I bet there is a lame duck that'll look like a Swan among turkeys! And have no tribes and re arrange everyone for team immunity and only the 1 or 2 losing teams head to Tribal. Finally, post merge should be no hidden immunities and if you want to be declared safe, merely sacrifice your vote for two tribals until you hit final 5
I'm still trying to figure out why they not only cast Caleb but put him on the BEAUTY tribe after BB16. Or cast Dan Spilo when he looks like he could be related to Harvey Weinstein and he works in HOLLYWOOD.
Caleb being on the beauty tribe actually makes sense, because he's a fairly attractive guy, so it's not like Survivor casting would have to really do any work to try and justify his placement there
The most gratifying thing for me on the age gap seasons is that fact that while I'm "technically" a millennial, my upbringing was more consistent with Gen X, so I consider myself sort of in between those generations. Survivor, for all it's flaws, and I always have and always will love it unconditionally, got something coincidentally and hilariously right with MvGX. Every member of the Gen X tribe was older than than me. Every member of the Millennials tribe was younger than me. Call that seasonal gimmick dumb if you want lol, and I won't disagree, but somehow it made sense in context.
I literally just came here to figure out wtf defines a Hero, a Healer, or a Hustler. Edit: dammit, I thought this was going to be about weirdest things, not weirdest people put on themed tribes. In 2020's terms, Heroes and Healers are basically the same thing, unless you're talking about superheroes or RPGs. And there's no way all six Hustlers are entrepreneur ✨ boss babes✨ on that 🌟 sigma grindset🌟, or uh...cattle hustlers...wait no, that's cattle rustlers. Also, what's a No Collar? A homeless person? An entry level job?
So going off Will being on the Millenials tribe, we can all see that he is Gen Z... CLEARLY. But something I learned in a media culture and analysis class throws me off. Apparently there is a weird time frame where some kids were mixed into both generations because of the effects we saw following Columbine, Y2K, 9/11, and some other events. 1995-2000 were the YOUNG KIDS who saw all this happen and grew up in a unique situation because of it. Not sure how this changes a generation categorization though. 1995 begins gen z, but 2000 ends millenials. I really didn't, and still don't, know why that is.
Poor Alecia feels like they filled up the beauty tribe and just threw onto Brawn cause there was an open spot. At least with Tai the claim of "inner beauty" has some merit if an outlier. Poor Alecia, doesn't help when you have Scott and Jason on the tribe. The last of the pure asshole villains. She does prove her inner strength with how she was treated, stood her ground and was able to take something positive away from it.
The only real disagreement I have here is Tai. Tai definitely belongs on the Beauty tribe. His profession is to beautify things, his spirit is beautiful, and let's be honest, he's a diva when he wants to be (in a good way). I think the theme they were going for in this was Beauty is more than just appearances and I think that would have resonated had they played into that theme more during the season and with the casting. Instead they seemed to take the vain approach with Beauty and that kind of left us with what we got. So yes, Tai didn't belong on THAT beauty tribe, but not for the reasoning out pointed out.
With koh rong. My theory is that there was a planned experiment with the season where they took 3 people and put them on "the RONG tribe": Tai, Alecia, and Debbie. But Debbie kept changing her job every ten seconds, that it all became very confusing to the viewer and in editing they decided to go with inner beauty and inner brawn and label Debbie as a Chemist initially instead of their plan of having people on the RONG tribe.
death, taxes and idoled out dunking on candice for being a hero sksks. back to the video though, i actually like tai and alecia being on beauty and brawn respectively. i liked that they challenged what people stereotypically think as beauty and brawn. alecia might not have looked physically stronger than her tribemates, but id say shes stronger than all of them for all the crap she had to endure. while tai gave more of a refreshing outlook on the beauty tribe, who really didnt offer much in cagayan. and its interesting how you talk about worlds apart, cause it’s probably one of the best cast seasons in terms of themes but its one of the worst casts overall.
Jeff has the most horrible prediction takes I’ve ever heard for players in pre season. Truly. Like his should be the closest and yet ive rarely heard fans predict worse than him!😂
yes candice deserved to be on the heroes tribe! she mutinied, she was sent to exile island 4 times, she made both adam and billie fall in love with her, etc
maybe it's just because i'm not an NFL fan but i've never gotten why people question chrissy being a hero but don't question alan being one as well? katrina makes more sense if you wanna consider an athlete being an hero for representing her country and all that stuff, but what makes a random football player no one's ever heard of a hero?
I imagine it’s probably down to her being self employed but also still having a pretty free spirited vibe and chill demeanour. I mean, when I think of a sailing instructor, I think of spending a lot of time in the beach vibing, even if they’re technically working.
I think one I need to talk about is in Australian Survivor: Brains vs. Brawn, primarily involving Baden Cooke, who's profession was an Ex-Professional Cyclist, yet placed on the Brain Tribe. Nothing bad about it, just a bit of a weird pick of tribe placement in hindsight.
Tai being a gardener, could more easily have fit with Brawn, and also, hindsight, that alliance he had with Scot and Jason could have occured earlier. And Alecia fits beauty fine.
Worlds Apart nailed the occupation theme because it captured social class and POV on life as well. The cast of HHH just didn’t have anything interesting in common to form 3 groups. Production should have moved Ghost Island up and then used it for both seasons in the 35/36 filming cycle (so HHH would become Ghost Island and Ghost Island would become Ghost Island 2)
I need you to know I paused as soon as you started the segment and I don’t care what you say next(I mean I might it depends) Ty is the only perfect placement in all of survivor history hi soul was more beautiful than any person on the beauty tribe he is such a beautiful wholesome man that made that whole season much more pleasant… except for when people hurt our sweet beautiful boy.
Shaun kinda makes sense as he himself identified as more of a contender than a champion. He said it’s cause he felt like he didn’t achieve much with his career, especially when you consider that he was forced into retirement cause of injury and had to watch his team win without him.
Jeff trying to justify Chrissy's position in the heroes tribe is how I sound when trying to inflate my collage essay paper
"She broke the glass ceiling in terms of business."
Um, alright.
"She makes alot of money."
.....
"Stops. Decides to have a family."
Okay, that's enough Jeff.
"Goes back in [to work]."
Shh, stop Jeff. STOP!
@@AGJ117 ha fr
I think after knowing her as a person, after filming with her, it must've felt awkward to retrospectively concede publically that her profession alone makes her an anti-hero. Even if he's wrong, it doesn't need to be implied as an inherit character flaw, just a casting error.
Ken McNickle from Millennials VS Gen X was also born in 1982, meaning he is a millennial, not on the Millennials tribe.
Was about to say thank you
Well...that's kind of blurred there anyway, because depending on what you read, Gen X ends anywhere between 81-83, and there's the whole Xennial definition that encompasses anyone born between 79-83 who is in the middle of both generations, so I can see the justification for Ken being on the Gen X tribe
@@NYChica23This is very true; I thought they would avoid people in the borderline.
This comes up in my own life a lot. My parents have stated that they both identify closely with generation X and my dad insists that he usually sees the cut off listed as his birth year, '63. I told him that I've seen it listed as '65 more than once. He recently told me he's cedars at '65 to now, but was sure he remembered seeing it at '62 or even earlier many years ago.
Then there's me. I identify about equally with '000s and gen z. I REALLY identify with the "awkward borderline starter pack" memes (I didn't have a DS or watch Avatar, but I had friends who did).
My partner has argued with me that his sister is at the cutoff date, with her '96 birthday, but I argue that 2000 HAS to be the cutoff date, if not 2001, not because of anything about culture or personality but because of the name. Is it fair to say I don't fit in with older millennials? Sure! Don't want me to be one? Too bad! Should have named it better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's like asking for "canines" and being surprised when you get wolves and foxes. If you wanted dogs, you should have asked for dogs.
I also feel like whether or not you were alive for 9/11 or whether you can remember the age before smartphones would be a fairly appropriate generational cutoff, and I definitely do both of those. Then again, being able to remember 9/11 might also be an appropriate cutoff, which I cannot do.
Wow, sorry, I did not mean to write an essay about the generations. It's something I have a weird amount to say about considering that my parents and I agree that people put way too much stock in this stuff. Still, that doesn't mean that separating by age was a bad idea for a twist. I just think they really really should have been more careful about the ages they picked.
@@NYChica23I think it would have just been a better idea if they didn't include any Xennials.
Wow, I've never heard that word in my life but speech to text knew what I meant.
Maybe I would have less to say about which generation I fall into if there was an agreed-upon term for millennium babies.
Following the hypothetical of Debbie starting 32 on Brawn beach makes it very reasonable to assume she doesn't make it to the swap, let alone the merge, which means she's also absent from game changers. I like that universe.
What do you mean Tai shouldn’t be on the beauty tribe!? He’s great and fits perfectly there.
I think he meant it based on how previously the beauty tribe fit the description in Cagayan as young and sorority type people
Yeah, I know but I think he should still be there anyway
Throwing shade at Candice is always welcome
If Melinda being an "Older Women" at 32 isn't number 1.......
This one gets more frustrating the more you think about it. Bobby being like 3 months younger than her and being a 'younger man' is just salt in the wound.
@@IdoledOut It's not frustrating at all. If you drank as much Wine as Bob Dawg drank, you would be considered younger as well 💯
to be fair she is one of the 4 oldest women on the cast. the female side of that cast just wasn't very old. labeling melinda, cirie, and shane as "old" was still kind of insulting though, especially when bobby was labeled "young"
I think that’s why they said “older” instead of “old”. The people in older tribes were older relative to the young tribes. I don’t think it’s intended to say “32 year old women are old”
@@IdoledOut according to bandit-survivor contestant candice and parvati were originally on opposite tribes but swapped them out because if parvati was on the heroes tribe there would be 4 micronesia people on that tribe
I think we were told with tai that the tribes were sorted on what value they like strive for, hold high, guides them etc. So tai being a gardener making green spaces BEAUTIFUL is entirely on theme with the beauty tribe.
Weird casting aside, Tai Trang is one of my favorite survivor contestants ever. Just such a wholesome person.
Counter argument: Tai is one of the best placed contestants on beauty tribe. He is beautiful on the inside, as a person. Everyone else was external beauty, he was internal
I completely agree that production got it wrong when they put Alecia on Brawn Tribe. It would have made more sense if she was on Beauty Tribe and Anna was on Brawn Tribe (Debbie can stay on Brains Tribe).
Alecia gave it everything she had with the cards she was dealt. I personally believe she deserves a second chance, especially after Caleb was med-evacuated and they waited to do tribe swaps until she got voted out.
Totally agree. Her scrapping by on Brawn is probably my favorite pre-merge storyline of the season
Anna is a professional poker player. Much brainier than... anything Debbie had ever done.
They should have put Debbie the gymnast on the Brawn Tribe. She has a great sense of balance and can zip across a beam in two minutes when it took Hali ten.
@@asmodeus58XX have u seen her twit tho lol
@@anteerat I am aware of her very controversial opinions. Meh. Garrett did even worse than her (also a poker player), except he survived one tribal council.
You emphasized Candace a lot, but, I also never really understood why Sugar was also on the Heroes tribe.
You could also mention the convoluted choices for who are considered fans and favorites in Micronesia and Caramoan. While many of those players did fit the tribe, for other players, it was a bit of a stretch in their respective tribe.
for sugar, i think it was because her main gameplay was wanting the ‘good people’ to go further and win. she voted out people like ace, charlie, randy, crystal, and kenny because she didn’t like they way they were acting and felt like bob and matty were more deserving
@@nizzle428 that's fair, but tbh, idr much about Gabon. All I remember about her specifically is when she was exiled a couple times and being pretty toxic during final tribal. A complete lack of respect to some of the jury members. Idr much of her gameplay itself, or lack there of.
But Sugar in Gabon was edit like a hero, not like a villan. Candice otherwise was edit like a bad person for turning against her tribe
@@romanzolanski6256 I'm a bit indifferent when it comes to Candice, so I'm not trying to defend her exactly. I'm just looking at it in a different light. She was only taking advantage of a twist (mutiny in this case) to get back to her alliance. At the time you can't really blame her because she thought she would have the numbers. She was on the bottom of Aitu. It would have been the right move for her, but no one knew at the time that Aitu would take over.
There are a number of players who take advantage of new twists for their own purposes and self preservation, and they aren't always considered villains.
I guess it's all about the edit.
@@Nate9-9 tbf that jury (esp corrine) was AWFUL to sugar, i think her responses were pretty justified
Poor Alecia. I remember feeling so terribly for her.
If I remember correctly, Cydney was pretty smart (and very pretty as well), and I think she could've been on any of the three tribes.
Me, in 2016 defending Alecia: 😤👊
Me, in 2026 defending Alecia: 😤👊
Me, forever, defending Alecia: 😤👊
she deserves a second chance fr!!
My favorite pre merge survivor that season
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I’m actually glad they didn’t put Anna on Brains
Promoting to storm the capitol doesn’t seem like the smartest thing to do
Oh god, I felt bad for her elimination when it happened. Now I just laugh, not the biggest fan of homophobic right wing crazies.
So what I'm getting is:
- Chrissy should have been a hustler and Simone a hero (based on job descriptions alone)
- Nina is white collar, Shirin is no-collar (which we do see come merge)
Not sure why casting didn't just do that in the first place? But there must have been other stuff that came out in the casting process to justify these two very weird placements.
For these 4 particular cases, I think I can pinpoint why - they wanted a good mix of ages on each tribe. In non-returnee seasons they usually don't want there to be too many or too few "older women" on any tribe, as that can imbalance the tribes both challenge-wise and socially.
@@thebumpercar1344 in the case of bc/wc/nc i think that might've been an issue but i think the chrissy-simone switch would've been a wash in terms of both tribe stretch n ages
@@uglyaniimals : Now that you mention that, I think you might be sort of right? Heroes tribe had the two oldest women in the cast on the same tribe, and the two oldest castaways on this season period. Hustlers' oldest tribemate was 35, 6 years younger than the oldest member of the Healers tribe. But then two of the younger players this season turned out to be bad at challenges.
That it makes it even funnier how Jeff’s Chrissy justification is essentially “she’s a hero for being such a hustler”
"they walk a lot" KILLED ME
Candice has confirmed on a podcast that she was originally in red clothing and was going to be on the villains tribe, and Parvati was in blue clothing so she thinks they were been switched last minute before the game started.
I believe that’s probably because they didn’t want to put James, Cirie, Amanda and Parvati all on the same tribe. That was always my guess as to why they switched.
The comparatives (ie oldER and youngER men and women) essentially gives survivor justification for the weird splits there: Cirie and Melinda were factually among the older woman in the cast (the third and fourth oldest respectively) survivor just picked a cast and divided them in an unusual way like in Amazon and Vanuatu.
Furthermore on Tai's inner beauty vs Alecia's inner brawn. At least inner beauty is actually a thing that people talk about. No one says that someone who is determined has "inner brawn".
Congrats to Cagayan and DvG for escaping this list.
Tai is very kind and tai is beautiful in the heart(I posted this before you said he was in beauty for inner)
Tai, Keith Nale, and Taj are the holy trinity of wholesome Survivor players
Yau Man?
@@nathan4327 another amazing player
@@nathan4327 Yau would put himself on the villains tribe
Tai is super overrated Very disloyal
Theoretically the poker player could have been on the Brains tribe. Garrett being an example.
But not THAT poker player. It’s been made clear she’s particularly lacking in the one requisite for being a “brain”.
Personally I think they should have switched Alecia and Tai, because as we see in the season Tai is pretty physically competent, what with him climbing all the trees and taking care of the tribe, and he even won immunity. I don't think that would have been the BEST spot for him but it would have made more sense at least.
I’ve seen basketball games before, that makes me qualified to be on a tribe with an NBA champion.
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Im sorry but Tai being on the beauty tribe because he’s beautiful inside was very patronizing 😂
This is me realising over and over that I buy into the justifications the survivor producers give for these weird placements lol. I was like you don’t get that Chrissy is a mom!?!?
"Although that's kind of like saying she's my favorite toe to stub" 💀 9:17
Danielle from Casaya: Villain
Parvati from the Black Widow Brigade: Villain
Cirie from Casaya and the Black Widow Brigade: Hero
2 negatives = positive
The thing is I've never once heard Cirie say she was apart of the "Black Widow Brigade." That is Parvati's thing I don't think Amanda or Cirie ever called themselves that. Maybe Natalie did. Danielle voting out Terry pissed a lot of people off.
Don’t forget Ken is a millennial and the closest person he was to in age was… mari.
replace taylor with ken on the millennials tribe. boom
I've been pitching Boomers vs Zoomers for years now!!! Survivor is running out of time now too. Boomers are ~58-73 years old. Zoomers are ~11-26. It'd be totally unfair physically and they'd probably end up with some medical issues. But I would love to see the generational clash.
The question I want to know is why did Sierra Dawn Thomas get picked for Game Changers over Carolyn (Mama C) Rivera when Jeff said he wanted to see her back and promised that she would be back..?
Yeah I miss mama c
She was a replacement for Natalie Anderson
The casting on Brain vs. Brawn vs. Beauty 2 was so wacky at the time I was convinced they had intentionally put one person that didn't belong on each tribe to deepen the social experiment. I still think that's an excellent idea, but now I realize they just suck at theming.
Simone from HHH was a "diversity advocate"? Got nothing against diversity or anything, but how does that job fit as a "hustler"? its just, an ordinary white collar job
As an actuary I’d like to thank you for the shout out. Glad we’re finally getting the recognition we deserve. All the time we spend in xcel truly makes us heroic
Anybody who makes a living looking at excel spreadsheets for a long time should be considered a hero in my eyes!
I used to be an actuary, and while "saving insurance companies money" is kind of a gross oversimplification, I remember laughing at her inclusion in the heroes tribe. Actuarial science is hard, cold business, without the kind of emotional lift you require to consider something "heroic". Even the glass ceiling argument is pretty weak. I had a ton of female colleagues, many in power positions.
She was still a good casting choice though. Casting over theme always works.
My mum had a theory for the brain v brawn v beauty season, she said that they placed a brain in the beauty tribe and a brawn in the beauty tribe and a beauty in the brown tribe…. If that makes sense… for example tai on beauty tribe, like the fella was super smart
I admit that I didn't like Alecia... but I hated Scot and Jason a lot more. In fact, Scot is one of my least favorite Survivor contestant... ever.
Scot seems to be the biggest hypocrite that I have ever seen on Survivor... he bullies Alicia, he has this I'm always right attitude, and he got irritated when Alecia voted for him when he did the same thing to her (when writing Ale-see-ya). I mean what did he expect, Alecia not vote when he and every other contestant did. He would have the same attitude when Tai and Cydney voted him off.
I think Panama just split there girls and guys in half by age hints "older" or "younger" women/men. I think so at least
Will as no collar was crazy to me. For dancing with his wife in a parking lot?
That's Boomer attributes
I don't believe that you don't really know I Candace was on the hero's tribe the reason she was on Heroes versus Villains is because they kind of owed her a return because she couldn't make Micronesia and then for Heroes versus Villains she was originally on the villains tribe and parv was on the hero's tribe but Russell said that Boston Rob complained about something and they swapped them the last minute
I kind of hope you do this for returning tribe seasons because I still think - besides the obvious frustrating placement of Candice on Heroes... or her on HVV in general - Cirie and Amanda should've been on the Villains tribe. I don't care that it would've been a Black Widow Brigade reunion (especially considering Natalie AND Erik were on standby for HVV), like... justifying Cirie and Amanda as "heroes" for being more light-hearted in their gameplay is ridiculous. If anything, Cirie was the queenpin of the BWB, Parvati rallied the troops, and Amanda deserves an Oscar for acting her ass off and betraying Alexis at the F5 of Micronesia.
You're probably right. For Cirie though, I think they were going off of Panama Cirie instead of Micronesia Cirie. Her whole Panama narrative was this heroic journey of someone who got off the couch and did very well in the game. So I can see why she fits on the Hero tribe. For Amanda, she's such a neutral player that it's gonna be hard to put her in either tribe. So I guess it just came down to where there's a space to be filled in, the Villain girls were leaps and bounds more villainous than Amanda so she probably became a Hero by default.
I think that Amanda, in both her prior seasons, was portrayed more heroically (and portrayal is what matters, nearly all of the heroes had seriously villainous elements to their game(s)) due to being in an endgame alliance with people who leaned into the villain role (Todd, Courtney, Parvati and Natalie). Keep in mind especially that, IIRC, Amanda being in on the Ozzy vote was not out in the open at the time of HvV. As @R L said Cirie was more a hero for Panama (similarly Steph was there for Palau Steph as opposed to the obviously villainous Guatemala Steph).
Boomers vs Zoomers would be a great season.
I always wondered why LJ was on the beauty tribe. I asked it on Reddit one time and got both downvoted and insulted in a judgement free questions post…
That man is conventionally attractive. That's the only requirement.
People justified Tai on beauty with his personality, why can’t Alecia’s strong ass tolerance be her brawn quality. People don’t take well to being bullied or ousted on survivor and Alecia just was vibing. She made fire for five hours too…
"And put 8-pack owner Debbie on brawn" 🤣 Just when I thought I had found a video that wouldn't make me laugh at work 🤣
The whole point of Tai being on beauty was supposed to be inner beauty. I think there's a difference between a questionable casting choice and a clever subversion of expectations
"wont be talking about candice"😂😂 every time i see her i wonder why she's on my screen.
Scot Pollard repeatedly flexing his "champion" status over Alicia when he played for about 3 total hours of the Boston Celtics' championship-winning season (for non-sports fans: that's in a season of 82 games that are each 48 minutes long), none of it in the playoffs, never fails to both frustrate and amuse me.
They should have switched Alecia and Julia. Alecia and Julia basically look like they are sisters, but Julia seemed to get along with the Brawn tribe much better.
Really wish they'd leave Fiji for a season or two for themes again. Some seasons where it's based off the culture are so good. Like let's get a pirate season again, please. or just don't care you're on fijiand start making themes anyway.
Yknow ironically coach was more a villain on outh pacific than he was on heroes vs villains I mean remember that bro moment crisis of conscious moment coach had with Tyson about being seen as a villain
Can we just have a season called "Survivor Apocalypse" where the theme means taking alllllll the worst players and see who wins! Seriously, I bet there is a lame duck that'll look like a Swan among turkeys!
And have no tribes and re arrange everyone for team immunity and only the 1 or 2 losing teams head to Tribal.
Finally, post merge should be no hidden immunities and if you want to be declared safe, merely sacrifice your vote for two tribals until you hit final 5
I finally realised why Candace was on the heroes tribe, for surviving exiled Island 26,285 times in Cook Islands
The worst part with Chrissy was that she could have fit very well into the Hustlers tribe. I mean, she no doubt hustles plenty
I loved tai on beauty, I thought him being a Gardner was a funny take on it
Yeah I thought that was a good choice
I'm still trying to figure out why they not only cast Caleb but put him on the BEAUTY tribe after BB16. Or cast Dan Spilo when he looks like he could be related to Harvey Weinstein and he works in HOLLYWOOD.
Caleb being on the beauty tribe actually makes sense, because he's a fairly attractive guy, so it's not like Survivor casting would have to really do any work to try and justify his placement there
As you could probably tell, as subtle as it was in my video, I tend to agree with you with Melinda not being on the old tribe
You were very subtle when you screamed at Survivor production I can't disagree
The most gratifying thing for me on the age gap seasons is that fact that while I'm "technically" a millennial, my upbringing was more consistent with Gen X, so I consider myself sort of in between those generations. Survivor, for all it's flaws, and I always have and always will love it unconditionally, got something coincidentally and hilariously right with MvGX. Every member of the Gen X tribe was older than than me. Every member of the Millennials tribe was younger than me. Call that seasonal gimmick dumb if you want lol, and I won't disagree, but somehow it made sense in context.
I literally just came here to figure out wtf defines a Hero, a Healer, or a Hustler.
Edit: dammit, I thought this was going to be about weirdest things, not weirdest people put on themed tribes.
In 2020's terms, Heroes and Healers are basically the same thing, unless you're talking about superheroes or RPGs. And there's no way all six Hustlers are entrepreneur ✨ boss babes✨ on that 🌟 sigma grindset🌟, or uh...cattle hustlers...wait no, that's cattle rustlers.
Also, what's a No Collar? A homeless person? An entry level job?
So going off Will being on the Millenials tribe, we can all see that he is Gen Z... CLEARLY. But something I learned in a media culture and analysis class throws me off. Apparently there is a weird time frame where some kids were mixed into both generations because of the effects we saw following Columbine, Y2K, 9/11, and some other events. 1995-2000 were the YOUNG KIDS who saw all this happen and grew up in a unique situation because of it. Not sure how this changes a generation categorization though. 1995 begins gen z, but 2000 ends millenials. I really didn't, and still don't, know why that is.
Speaking of Tai, Luke when are you gonna do the best survivor chicken moments? Tai and Mark the chicken have to be number 1.
Poor Alecia feels like they filled up the beauty tribe and just threw onto Brawn cause there was an open spot. At least with Tai the claim of "inner beauty" has some merit if an outlier. Poor Alecia, doesn't help when you have Scott and Jason on the tribe. The last of the pure asshole villains.
She does prove her inner strength with how she was treated, stood her ground and was able to take something positive away from it.
The only real disagreement I have here is Tai. Tai definitely belongs on the Beauty tribe. His profession is to beautify things, his spirit is beautiful, and let's be honest, he's a diva when he wants to be (in a good way). I think the theme they were going for in this was Beauty is more than just appearances and I think that would have resonated had they played into that theme more during the season and with the casting. Instead they seemed to take the vain approach with Beauty and that kind of left us with what we got.
So yes, Tai didn't belong on THAT beauty tribe, but not for the reasoning out pointed out.
With koh rong. My theory is that there was a planned experiment with the season where they took 3 people and put them on "the RONG tribe": Tai, Alecia, and Debbie. But Debbie kept changing her job every ten seconds, that it all became very confusing to the viewer and in editing they decided to go with inner beauty and inner brawn and label Debbie as a Chemist initially instead of their plan of having people on the RONG tribe.
No.
8 and a half years later and I’m still baffled by the fact Nina actually survived 1 tribal council
Not Survivor related, but does Luke say "big stretch" when his cat takes those big stretches? Otherwise the big stretch didn't happen
death, taxes and idoled out dunking on candice for being a hero sksks. back to the video though, i actually like tai and alecia being on beauty and brawn respectively. i liked that they challenged what people stereotypically think as beauty and brawn. alecia might not have looked physically stronger than her tribemates, but id say shes stronger than all of them for all the crap she had to endure. while tai gave more of a refreshing outlook on the beauty tribe, who really didnt offer much in cagayan. and its interesting how you talk about worlds apart, cause it’s probably one of the best cast seasons in terms of themes but its one of the worst casts overall.
Jeff has the most horrible prediction takes I’ve ever heard for players in pre season. Truly. Like his should be the closest and yet ive rarely heard fans predict worse than him!😂
I love how he keeps bringing up that Candace was in the hero’s tribe and hates it it cracks me up
So Paul is a boomer for sure but saying that 97 isn't a millennial is bullshit. The millennial generation is 81-99.
I will be extremely disappointed if I do not see the entirety of the HHH cast in this video
Why do I want to watch a Survivor: Boomers vs Zoomers season....
yes candice deserved to be on the heroes tribe! she mutinied, she was sent to exile island 4 times, she made both adam and billie fall in love with her, etc
Alecia should have been on Beauty, Anna should have been on Brains, and Debbie should have been on Brawn.
maybe it's just because i'm not an NFL fan but i've never gotten why people question chrissy being a hero but don't question alan being one as well? katrina makes more sense if you wanna consider an athlete being an hero for representing her country and all that stuff, but what makes a random football player no one's ever heard of a hero?
Because a great many people see athletes in general as heroic and gridiron football is by far modern America's most popular sport, simple as that.
What it means to be a millenial: people hate on us... and... we hate on ourselves. Let me put on some Linkin Park.
Chrissy could’ve been placed into hustlers and the diversity advocate into heroes
I'm curious why they got rid of, and in some cases hid, the life after survivor specials that took place before the reunion but aired after it.
Why is a sailing instructor on the no-collar tribe again?
I imagine it’s probably down to her being self employed but also still having a pretty free spirited vibe and chill demeanour. I mean, when I think of a sailing instructor, I think of spending a lot of time in the beach vibing, even if they’re technically working.
Love Chrissy but I always felt like she was more of a hustler than a hero.
I watch the videos just for the Candace dunks
Heroes Vs Healers Vs Hustlers was the worst themed season ever!
Tai is one of the most beautiful ppl in that whole season.
1:49 Candice? From the Heroes tribe? 😂
This was a fun video theme to explore
I’ve never seen Kaoh Rong so my god was I not prepared to hear that Tai was placed on a beauty tribe 😂
Video Idea-Top 5 players you forgot found Hidden Immunity Idols like Kristina Kell John Rocker and Jenn Brown
I think one I need to talk about is in Australian Survivor: Brains vs. Brawn, primarily involving Baden Cooke, who's profession was an Ex-Professional Cyclist, yet placed on the Brain Tribe. Nothing bad about it, just a bit of a weird pick of tribe placement in hindsight.
Tai being a gardener, could more easily have fit with Brawn, and also, hindsight, that alliance he had with Scot and Jason could have occured earlier.
And Alecia fits beauty fine.
No you didn't out Tai like that🤣🤣🤣
Tai is one of the best placements
Chrissy is way more of a hustler
Worlds Apart nailed the occupation theme because it captured social class and POV on life as well. The cast of HHH just didn’t have anything interesting in common to form 3 groups. Production should have moved Ghost Island up and then used it for both seasons in the 35/36 filming cycle (so HHH would become Ghost Island and Ghost Island would become Ghost Island 2)
I feel like Garrett from Cagayan should be on here. How is he a brain and not a brawn?
he's a professional poker player?
he has popcorn muscles
@@dashieprodx i forgot about that
I need you to know I paused as soon as you started the segment and I don’t care what you say next(I mean I might it depends) Ty is the only perfect placement in all of survivor history hi soul was more beautiful than any person on the beauty tribe he is such a beautiful wholesome man that made that whole season much more pleasant… except for when people hurt our sweet beautiful boy.
Surprised J’Tia from Cagayan isn’t on here
Also Ken is a millennial, not gen x
9:22 darnell robbed
J'Tia on the brain tribe
Why u gotta roast Tai smh
Honorable mentions: Shaun from Champions vs Contenders 2, Baden a pro cyclist being on brains, and Janelle being on brawn
Shaun kinda makes sense as he himself identified as more of a contender than a champion. He said it’s cause he felt like he didn’t achieve much with his career, especially when you consider that he was forced into retirement cause of injury and had to watch his team win without him.
@@abbyrose6660 did he say that on or off the show. If it was on the show it’s pretty much like saying that Candice is a hero
@@justinpascal8332 he said it off the show and i kinda agree with it. being an ex-professional athlete doesn’t automatically make you a champion.
I expected do see J'Tia and Spencer's voting confessional on the list.