"My generation was the best" "We were tougher" "We played our heart out" We all heard that in the early 1980s when Bird came. When Jordan came in, many -- including Ray Firestone, Wilt Chamberlain, Bon Lanier -- all repeat how they were better in the good old days. How they played smarter & adopted a more rugged style of basketball. We are only witnessing history repeating itself all over again.
Thank you. This is getting crazy. Old guys don't see that and I don't know why because it's so obvious.... You just need to watch a Wilt interview and he says stuff like he would average 40 points per game at age 50 or that there's no centers except Hakeem and so on.
+Dave Toussaint Yep. If it wouldn't have made the video longer than I wanted, I would have shown some the old(er) school players saying the same types of things about the 90s.
@@TheRiggedBA You should made a video about it. Magic, Bird and many others criticized the NBA in the 1990s. Why? Because people of my age tend to embellish the past... I was born in 1970s BTW.
That's by design, unfortunately. UA-cam actively suppresses this channel so the videos aren't seen. They've been doing it for a few years now. For better or worse, I've gotten used to it.
When I see people claiming that players were better back in the day, I just laugh. I grew up watching 90’s basketball, and I stopped watching around 2000. I just recently started watching again, and I’m AMAZED at the level of talent the league has now. These guys would dominate in whatever era they played in. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise.
damn you missed out on early 2000’s basketball man, kobe, vince, ray, bron, tmac, iverson, ben wallace, yao, shaq, dwade, dirk, it’s arguably the most competitive fun to watch era right under the 2010’s when every team has a good big 3
Man this amy be my favorite basketball channel on UA-cam. You break down myths and hypocrisy like i do when I talk to people, especially about sports. Please keep this great content coming.
Back in the good old days, I had to walk to school in the snow barefoot for 50 miles for 365 days a year. We couldn't afford shoes. We didn't have any vehicles. Heck, we didn't have any bikes either. Those were the days when no one could afford bags to carry their books in. I had to balance my books on top of my head while walking those 50 miles ever day. Oh, did I mention that no one couldn't afford mittens back then, either? Yep. The good ole days.
“BaCk iN My dAys I was getting hit with missiles and bazookas to the basket. I had blood coming out of my mouth when I got HaNdChEcKeD. I played in a MaNs lEaGuE unlike these soft little boys.” - Ex 90s NBA Player
@@davelouie131 Ego and marketing. But they're not always lying. Sometimes they genuinely just don't understand the rules. The NBA explains and announces these things in very confusing ways for some reason.
Please send this to TNT. The hating and the macho attitude showed by NBA vets these days is so crazy that it's not even fun to watch anymore. We are fed the same bullshit over and over again, and it's funny because they wanna act like they're just making observations when it's obvious that they are stroking their own egos every time. It really bums me out that in other sports change and innovation is welcome and appreciated while in basketball and particularly in the NBA ex players and so called experts are so unfair and biased. They seem to have no idea what they're talking about most of the time, they are clearly not aware of the X and O's of today's game, they talk about it like it's just some guys randomly popping threes or whatever. Another very annoying thing is that even guys like McGrady or KG or pierce or Rasheed, who played more recently, in an era where the 3 point shot was already predominant, join the old guys in the hate and say dumb stuff like get back to the post game or whatever (KG was criticized during his career for taking too many jumpers btw)
+Riccardo De Pieri Yeah, it irked me seeing McGrady start hating on the NBA like he played in the 60s or something. I'm like dude, you just retired 15 minutes ago. And it's crazy because guys like McGrady, Shaq and Vince Carter were the main ones griping about zone, so at one point they understood why the game is the way it is now and how hard it is to score. McGrady was shooting almost eight 3-pointers a game at one point. But they get amnesia the second they retire.
The fact that I just came across this video just made my day when I hear these dudes complaining about today's game makes me cringe and number 1 Kenny acting like he was a HOF smh gtfoh but someone has to get this on espn TNT some platform and for the guys that just retired piss me off the most but thanks for the video this has to be seen asap!!!!
@@1missing There's also that clip from the 1993 Finals where Jordan flops and gets a call on Barkley and Barkley says to the ref "No, that's not a foul. I know that's Michael Jordan, but that's not a foul" and the ref Ts him up, lol
Mistah Unknown he says this on any network. Heard him on a local radio station in Toronto saying mj ain’t the goat and David stern the father of marketing imo brainwashed many into thinking so.
I love your channel bro. You're openly discuss with UA-cam person, even if they disagree with you. Also, you provide proofs, contextualize and don't buy the crap TV shows are providing. I was blocked by another UA-camr, a millenial, because I post a few clips of 1980s and 1990s defenders being called while hand checking or teams using illegal defense which resulted in free-thow + possession of the ball. Jordan's and 1990s NBA fans are so sensitive & sell centered. If you showed them they are wrong, they're literally blocking you... And didn't want to understand. They're like the 1960s and 1970s stars that blasted Magic, Bird and Jordan on Roy Firestone's show... They remembered things incorrectly and truly believed the NBA stopped when they retired. I was born in the 1970s and I never want to ressemble those old heads. Every era had their pros and their cons.
That wouldn't surprise me. Jordanites tend to prefer echo chambers and hate being challenged. They like to collect around a Jordan video and just circle jerk each other. I don't really get it. I mean I understand liking a player, but that's not a regular gathering of fans. When Jordanites get together it's like a church service.
I'd just like to see someone who makes these claims break down how it could possibly happen. Because they just say Jordan will average 20+ free throws a game since you supposedly can't touch him. But if you're going to make that claim, you have to explain why no one else gets anywhere even remotely approaching those numbers. It's not like Jordan is the only player that drives to the basket. I mean, I know they can't actually provide a breakdown because it's not realistically possible for Jordan to do it. I just wish they would at least try, so that they would realize this for themselves in the process.
with power and money he had he can dominate every era easyly. david stern made nba world wide known with using just his name and face. even wilt told players in his era need to pay him %10 of their salary. nba is not just basketball for me its harlem globetrotters show every night its just modern day wrestling. still today you can see bulls jersey with MJ name on it even in north korea. yes he is overrated but not that much he can still average 20 or 30.
Hoodfame Kyro Jordan’s dropping at Least 35-36 points a game Nobody’s checking him The only player who’s checking MJ is Kawhi Other than that no one is stopping him from going to a baskey
If John Stockton can drop 18 points & 15 assist against Garry Payton how much more would Curry would do against Payton. Nobody shoots like Curry. GP can talk shit all he want but if somebody shoot like that and has a handle of Allen Iverson on the era mostly for post up players lol. He will take your best defender hearts out. Imagine a Reggie Miller who has a handles and can move from one side to another in just a blink of an eye lol and can shoot from 30 to 40 ft. He would fuck Jordan up if Reggie move like Curry.
@@pauloaustria7798 Defenders in general back then often didn't even pick a guy up until he was below the 3-point line. It would have been considered a waste of energy since guys couldn't shoot like that in the 90s. Gary Payton has no concept of what it would be like to guard someone who's in range the second he crosses the halfcourt line. I knew Gary didn't understand the situation when he said something like he'd just go under the screens for Curry to stick with him. But Curry only needs a split second of daylight to get a shot off. He literally doesn't even wait for the screen to complete. By the time you even bend your knees to duck around the screen, you've already given up 3 points.
Kenny Smith would be a backup PG at best in today’s NBA. Today’s PGs like Curry, Kyrie, Dame, Russ, or hell even Goran Dragic would eat his lunch all day and night.
Its funny how old heads complain about the lack of physicality in todays NBA. Teams from the 60s-80s were playing at a ridiculously face pace and running up the scoreboard. The pace of the game slowed down in the early 90s when teams started playing more iso-ball and the drop in talent level being diluted do the NBA adding seven new franchises during a 5 year period. The zone defense rule in the early 2000s made it harder for great one-one players like Shaq, Iverson, and T-Mac to put up ridiculous numbers and teams had to adapt to these changes. The small ball style of play, rise of analytics, and Steph Curry's rise to stardom transformed the NBA. Teams these days no longer rely heavily on iso ball and focus more on floor spacing and ball movement. The talent level in the league is at an all time high but these old heads claim that the 90s had the best players. Teams racking up points in nothing new and these old heads need to rely on facts instead of advocating false narratives.
Good job. I enjoyed the video. What do you think about former NBA referee Earl Strom saying that if they officiated Wilt like they had too for MJ then Wilt would have averaged 85-90 ppg... because Earl refereed both eras.
Wow, I didn't know Strom said that. Slanted officiating certainly had a huge impact on how much Jordan was able to score. Jordan could just make a move, knowing he was going to get a foul call any time a defender touched him, or even just got close to him sometimes. Any player could score more with that kind of interference. It's good when referees admit what happened. You have a pretty cool channel, by the way.
I’ve been saying this. The physicality isn’t that much different now compared to back then. Hand checking still exist today. The players nowadays are just so skilled and talented and the floor is so spaced out, that players today don’t get bothered by hand checking, hence why fans might not notice it, hence why they think it doesn’t exist anymore. They point out the ticky tack fouls that are called, but ignore the clear excessive physical contact that doesn’t get called. If anybody watches any current nba games under a microscope, you’ll notice the a bunch a hand checking that doesn’t get called. Look at the lakers-warriors game a few days ago and look how much physically there was in that game, Curry and LeBron getting hand checked and hacked throughout the game.
And I'd also add that, since screens are used a lot more in today's offenses, defenders have to position themselves to go around a screen or rotate to another player instead of hand-checking as often.
@@TheRiggedBA yup. Simply put, the nba today is more team oriented and ball movement is more prevalent, therefore by default, the offense is going to be in a lot of situations where they don’t have to deal with physicality and hand checking.
Kenny might be dreaming when he said that the dribbling skills of today's generation are only illusion. This guy is so funny. If it is true then how come they were not able to check Allen Iverson with his killer cross over. AI might have break his ankle if he tried to guard him. Allen Iverson is a game changer like stephen curry and MJ. Why do these legends cannot accept the fact that they are less talented than the players of this new generation. I repeat they were exposed by Iverson! It is Skills over physicality!
I hate how these old heads keep pushing their unverified biases onto the airwaves. It was tougher back then...oh really? flagrant fouls still occur today. As the author mentioned in his other video, hand checking is less of an obstacle compared to zone defense and the ability to block off the lane from drives.
Did u see that clip when Rick Carlisle called out the tnt crew for criticizing him and kp for not posting up more? Its fuckin gold...his team was having an historically great offensive season, and these old guys are sayin "put em on the block"!!! Hahaha
@G-man I've been considering doing a whole Jordan myth series since so many people have asked for it. I'll certainly do it if/when I start putting my videos on Patreon, since UA-cam keeps screwing with this channel.
It's good to see so many of these ex players, "analysts" and even part time basketball fans called out for their bs. Only just found your channel after searching "jordan overrated" and you have some compelling stuff. I think he was a great player but the way people just put him on this level that's out of the grasp of every other player in history is completely ignorant. I watched him and know what he was, he was never my favorite player though. It just seemed to be cool to like Michael and the Bulls back in the day when they were on top and if you were in a certain age group. It was mostly hype to people who don't actually play the game. Watching the old games again you kind of realize he wasn't some untouchable god like figure on the court. The best? Maybe. Absolutely clearly the best of all time? You can't even make that call with the different skill sets, team situations and rule changes, let alone the blatant match fixing. I've thought maybe LeBron might have had a very good case at some points but you really can't say either way. Different eras. Hell, maybe Wilt would have killed any era. I think you cherry picked some things on some of these videos but they are still real and completely relevant. Interesting stuff. I know many people who proudly proclaim Jordan is the best ever and that's that. These people weren't watching other teams very much back in the day OR NOW and own the Jordan VHS tapes and DVDS. You can't reason with them about many things at all come to think of it.
Handchecking been ilegal since the mid 70s. These old heads always ignore that part. Players back in the day had it good with no zones or handchecking. 1v1 paradise.
@@NothingElseMattersJM I'll take the big man camping at the paint if you let me go 1v1 without zones OR handchecking. League averaged 110ppg on WAAAAAAY LESS 3pt attempts in the 80s. The packed paint wasn't stopping the parade of layups at the rim xD
@@NothingElseMattersJM So why aren't people saying MJs scoring is overrated sinfe his most gaudy numbers came from a ton of shots, free throws and aduring inflated stats era too? Instead people say he'll avg 50ppg today xD. So smaller players have it easier to go around or through zones and it still bothered them and the effect in scoring was noticeable. It helped slow down the pace directly. Case in point? EVERY good 1v1 scorer was bitching about zones. Here's the list you can literally verify on YT: Jordan (who himself admitted he wouldnt be the same player if he played his entire career against a zone), Kobe, Shaq, Iverson, McGrady, etc. Dod they score a lot? Yes. Did the zone make it harder? Yes. Which is why Kobe putting up 35ppg in 2006 on 44% from the field in a league avg 95ppg was more impressive than Jordan avg 37ppg on a leagie avg 110ppg on 48% shooting.
@@NothingElseMattersJM I'm not accepting anything that begins by scaling down a statistic lol. Ppg 110 for jordans peak era and 95 for kobe. One avg 28fga and 12 fta and the other 27 and 10. One avg 37 and the other 35. Its not rocket science.
Would you be able to make a video about stat padding? Since it's a huge topic now and people belittle Lebron and Westbrook over it. Even though Michael was known for doing that. People seem to think it's some new concept. I don't understand why that is.
@Samuel Díez I don't want to shock you or anything, but Jordan was an ADMITTED stat padder. He openly said he'd monitor his stats at the scorers table to make sure he got his numbers, and he even specifically said he padded his assists stats in that one, anomalous 8 assist year you're talking about. Jordan's teammates have also spoken out against his stat padding. Even when it came to the Triangle offense, both coach Phil Jackson and Jordan himself have admitted that Jordan blatantly disobeyed the coach and often broke the Triangle offense specifically to get his personal stats because Jordan always wanted make sure he scored the most points in the league.
@Samuel Díez So you say Jordan didn't stat pad. Then when I point out to you that Jordan is an admitted stat padder, your argument that Jordan didn't stat pad...is to explain that he stat padded to win MVP? LOL Gee, you really got me on that one. 😄 Then you follow that winning response up by saying every player is stat conscious and that you never denied that. Then what are you arguing, exactly? Do you you even know, or are you just saying things to hear yourself speak/type again?
@@dynamic6645 Worse, they selectively only do it when it favors their narrative. When you talk about post-Jordan NBA, they'll say there's absolutely no hand-checking and swear by the rule book. But when you point out that the rule book prohibited hand-checking in Jordan's era too, they claim it wasn't enforced and suddenly say the rule book doesn't matter.
One thing I notice watching old '80s and '90s games compared to today is that back then you were guarding a man and trying to alter his shot, whereas in the modern NBA you're more guarding against tendencies and spots on the floor. If a guy like Khris Middleton is on fire from the left elbow, you're doing everything you can to make sure he doesn't even get to set up on the left elbow and push him off his spot. If Kyrie is driving to the right, the defense isn't so much geared toward getting in front of Kyrie, but making sure Kyrie can't get to the right side. Like "You can have your left and try it there and I'll live with it, but I'm not gonna let you take me right again because I know you're feeling it from there". In the '80s and '90s you could pretty much walk into whatever spot you wanted on the floor. "Good defense" was just making sure you were trying to get your hand in his face every time. I remember seeing old Larry Bird games, and obviously Bird was an incredible player, but he would just post up for a second and then flare out into a catch-and-shoot 18 foot jumper on the right side and it was an automatic 2 points every time. In today's NBA he'd have to really alter his game because an NBA defense now would see that play setting up and just say "Yeah, you're not catching the ball here. You'll have to try something else". I'm not sure how much of this is the rule changes, or if it's mostly coaching and tactics getting more advanced, or if offensive players are just so good that just putting a hand in their face isn't really doing much to slow anyone down.
So why did Michael Jordan have drastically different shooting performances like shooting 52% FG against the 96 Magic vs shooting 40% FG against the 1993 Knicks if it was all the same defenses without any adjustments based on tendencies?
@@NothingElseMattersJM What? Do you seriously think that it was impossible for Jordan to have bad shooting performances? You seriously believe that the only way he could have underperformed is if his opponents changed their defensive schemes? 😂 How would they even guard him any differently? The illegal defense rules made it impossible to prevent him from driving to the paint and getting a layup before defenses could collapse on him without doubling and leaving one of his teammates wide open. Just face it: Michael Jordan is not a god, but a mere mortal who had a shooting slump in the playoffs.
Derek Harper's defense in the 94 finals looks in-distinguishable from how avery bradley plays defense on basically every play. Kenny probably barely watches any modern nba
Ahh another great video!! This is so awesome!! It’s to bad so many are brain washed lol 😆 keep them coming! I actually stopped watching NBA after the 3-1 Golden state series although I knew about the Sac Kings back in the day. But that did it for me. This year after Kobe died I said “uh oh” Lebron going to win the finals this years boy was I right!! God bless your work my man!!
That doesn't prove much. Lakers had a healthy LeBron and AD al through the playoffs and in the bubble and a long break to boot. Everyone predicted Lakers would make it at least to semis and it wasn't some massive prediction or stretch to think they'd win the championship. Heat got seriously lucky to make it on the other hand.
Great videos. The only thing I think you're missing are the Carrying and Travelling rules that changed in the 2000s when Iverson and LeBron were allowed to abuse.
So how did the 90’s players score under such intense pressure? They must’ve had unreal talent if they can score with a hand on their arm and being tackled at the rim.
Have you noticed that many warrior fans are kobe fans these days? I was watching the warriors and rockets game last night and after the game many fans complained about how much harden and cp3 iso They say the same thing about LeBron iso Why do these people complain about iso and claim to be all about team play but their favorite players or idols like Jordan and kobe iso more than anyone? I don't understand They will complain about iso while having a kobe or Jordan avatar lol Just a few questions I wanted to ask
It's frustrating watching NBA media to be honest. Because 99% of it is nonsense. It's all based on false narratives. And since it's coming from former players, obviously people receive it as truth.
Former players and media members can say whatever they want, but the actual video tape showing what actually happened on the basketball court does not lie.
Jmxyhighroller prove that it is easier to score nowadays. Players from the past aren't crazy, they just aren't very good at explaining why their claim is true. It's a fact that the three-point shot inflates scoring today, also the fact that there is more spacing around the Court gives players more space to operate, there is no hand checking, there's this misconception that hand checking is been illegal since 1979. That's a myth that has been spread because the definition of hand checking has changed throughout history. It was define as the same thing in 1979, as it was today. Hand checking was allowed up until the 1999-2000 season. The league softened up even more on the rules in the 2004-05 season to make it easier to score. They admitted this, it is documented, it is a fact. Also the thing that a lot of people don't bring up is that back in the '80s and '90s there was no defensive 3 second violation. Which meant that you could camp in the paint all game long and it was harder to get into the paint and score with lips especially if you were a guard, like Michael Jordan.
["Jmxyhighroller prove that it is easier to score nowadays."] Really? That would be odd, since JxmyHighroller blatantly steals my channel's content to prove the exact opposite.
@TheRiggedBA Have you noticed lately they're starting to treat Tom Brady like MJ? Anytime somebody disagrees with Brady being goat or picking against the pats they resort to the same shaming tactic Jordan fans do "He's mad that Jordan prevented him from rings" "still salty over 96 finals " It's like they can't have a different opinion it has to be a board consensus lol
Why should you care with pundits are saying? Either way, Nfl and NBA nowadays have lost their ways. That's why people are excited with AAF because that's an old school football when players are allowed to hit hard. I can't wait for a new basketball league to emerge without all the stupid nonsense rules NBA has right now. One can only wish...
guys like giannis, AD, lebron and blake griffin would make guys like kenny a smith and charles look like highschoolers. those exaggerated 90s rules add a LOT more to a modern player's arsenal more than they limit them.
TheRiggedBA I have actually, I liked it when it came out as well lol. What I meant was in terms of individual defenders vs the defenders against Lebron and the defensive talent. By now you have seen the trend of calling Jordan’s competition “plumbers”. It is obviously a joke and exaggerated, but it does show more and more people are waking up especially younger fans and millennials to the the lie that is the 90’s and Michael Jordan’s Goat Status
Question about the 5 second back to the basket rule. Can the offensive player face the basket momentarily, to reset the timer? Similar to how you can step in and out of the lane allowing you to essentially camp in the paint indefinitely?
Responding to yourself when you google has the information about the 5 second back to the basket rule ? Lol, dude you have to invest in a vpn. Your surfing the net naked with your IP everywher.
@@TheBronzeBomber38 No. I was just curious to see if you're wrong so often due to innocent mistakes, or if you intentionally say things that are wrong as part of your trolling. With basketball claims, it's kind of hard to tell. But claiming we're the same person based on you supposedly being able to see our IPs couldn't be a mistake. That would just be you lying. Noted.
I wonder how many points and how much success Jordan would have in today’s NBA. I mean yeah I think he’s overrated asf and his fanboys are extremely toxic but I still think he’s a very gifted athlete with a plethora of scoring moves. I mean he was well ahead of his time. The level of competition at his position and for his supremacy is so much higher in today’s NBA. Kawhi Leonard, a 34 year old LeBron, Giannis, and even a pre injury Durant would give him a run for his money. I don’t believe he would be a “glorified DeMar DeRozan” if he played in today’s NBA, but I don’t see him averaging 50 PPG all because there’s no “HaNdChEcKiNg”. I mean that’s already been debunked along with the physical hard fouls. The combination of bigger, taller, more athletic defenders, zone defenses, no David Stern to “protect” him, and the possibility of not playing for a stacked team would actually give him trouble in today’s NBA.
I think Jordan today would be about a 25ppg scorer. He would no longer be the best scorer in the league, and I don't think he'd really be in the conversation for best player. He may be elitely skilled, but zone defense reduces everyone to outside shooting, which is the one skill Jordan never could develop. So he would be a good but ultimately limited scorer. And his defense wouldn't look as hot today now that he'd be facing real talent at his position and trying to guard guys who can actually score. Giannis is about as good as it's possible to be without a three-point shot in today's league and he's arguably not even a top 3 player thanks to zone. So Jordan would be in trouble.
@@westbrook_apologist7422 how about drawing contact fanboy cause 10 free throws attempted a game in 06, 08, 010 doesnt seem like horrible whistles. Fanboy
bwahahhahhahhahahhaha "Hell naw, because Michael Jordan had to play against physical contact". bwahahahahahhahahahahahaaaa, mr. phantom fouled me, mr. untouchable, bwahahahaha ohhhhh the hypocrisy
@@TheRiggedBA I don't really like bball that much, but the topic of rigged sports fascinates me. All sports in USA are classified as entertainment, which means that rigging is ipso facto allowed and not illegal. Which REALLY opened my eyes when I learned that and considered Vegas legal gambling (and illegal + legal Asia gambling). When I was a small kid, I looked at the NFL. Patriots won after 9/11. After the flood, New Orleans won. Lights went out and suddenly a blowout became a very close game (and everybody came back to the TV from the BBQ outside: wut happened? lights went out? wow, lets watch!). It all goes back to the legal classification of sports as entertainment.... exactly like WWE wrestling. Are all games rigged? No. Not even all championships. But some ARE and it is blatant. MLS soccer - for some reason our "real madrid" wannabe LA Galaxy get the best players every year and global superstars with others being pale shadows. The only sport where I have doubts it is rigged in USA is hockey (and rugby, cuz no one plays it).
Well how hard it is to rig against a team depends on the match-up. The greater the disparity between the teams, the harder it would be to rig it against the better one. So it would depend on what team and who they're playing.
@@gyk2985 I didn't like the move at all and was surprised that LeBron would go to Kobe 's old house. But I don't think the NBA minds. I expect for the Lakers to get a lot of help and be great next year. And maybe even in the second half of this year after the trade deadline.
@@TheRiggedBA maybe Lebron going to the Lakers is Lebron's plan, as you know the NBA loves them big market teams and will probably help him win like 1 or 2 more rings basically Lebron is riding the system at this point.......... probably
I think a lot of people assume that I hate Bruce Blitz, but I actually don't have anything against him personally. He's obviously blinded by nostalgia and a complete whackjob when it comes to Michael Jordan, but he at least has actual game knowledge and has some entertaining content. I haven't seen any of his stuff in years though so I'm not sure what he's putting out these days.
So your response is digging up old scenes from regular season games, showing relaxed D in the 1st quarter ? The point is that they could turn it up and where allowed to play hard full court D. Show some playoff games and compare them to today's playoff games. That doesn't mean that today's players suck or wouldn't be successful in the 90s. Most of them would still be great, but their numbers would be down. Harden or Westbrook wouldn't average double digit rebounds. All point averages would be down by 2-5 points. It's simple math. Today's average NBA team ATTEMPTS 20 more 3 pointers than in the 90s. Way more shot attempts across the board = more chance for rebounds and assists. While point averages, 3 pointers, assists and rebounds have all gone up ACROSS the board, steals and blocks have stayed almost the same. Numbers don't lie....and again, not hating on today's players. If you are in the NBA in 2021 you are not just one of 400 Americans to have made it to the highes league, you are today one of the 400 best in the WORLD, due to globalisation of the game. So yes, all stars of this era would have been good players in the 90s....that being said, MJ and several others would also be great players today. What has changed is how the game is called, HOW MANY SHOTS THE PLAYERS ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE and the resulting stats.
Kenny Smith is using a regular season game for LeBron. So you should be making this point against Kenny. Not that it would matter, since the supposedly earth-shattering difference in hand-checking between the eras is as non-existent in the playoffs as it is in the regular season. As for shot attempts, the main reason they shoot so many 3-pointers now is the 2000s rule change to allow zone defense. Zone is much harder to score against, forcing star players to pass more. So while total team shot attempts may go up, individual star players actually shoot less. If you put Harden and Durant in the 90s where it was illegal to stack zone defenders up against them and force them to pass, they would shoot more, score easier, and their numbers would leap up against a much simpler defense.
@@TheRiggedBALet me just quote some factual numbers to destroy your argument and show you how little zone defense is being used in recent years. Not that I needed to look it up for myself, as I CAN SEE THAT ZONES ARE RARELY USED, just looked it up to quote facts, not just my "eye test opinion": After peaking at 3% usage during the 2009-10 season, zone was used for just 638 plays in 2017-18, 0.2% of all possessions, according to Synergy Sports data. There goes your argument...case closed on zone defense impact in today's game.... BTW...zones were reintroduced in 2002 because of the dominance of Shaq in the paint...hand checking was removed in 2005...all offensive numbers as well as rebounds went up afterwards...your point that KD and Harden would have scored more in the 90s has no basis...do you believe the players in the 90s couldn't shoot ? You don't think it makes a difference if the defender is allowed to touch you and slide his foot under you, when you jump ? Have you ever played in any kind of league ? Come on...this is common sense...
@@thedudeunchained7583 No, that's not common sense. It's common myth. Hand-checking was removed for the entirety of the 90s, which you should know if you're on this video. And if you think zones are rarely used, then you simply don't know what zone is. Synergy Sports doesn't track the use of all zone, only zone sets where the whole team is in a set position. No one uses zone sets in the NBA. They use a floating zone that follows a particular player. This is not tracked, and is used all the time against star players.
@@TheRiggedBA here’s where I disagree: people scored in the 90s much less, so scoring more isn’t possible. In my eyes, it’d be relatively the same, so yes while their scoring would be great, it’s not going to leap when teams scored less back then due to a slower paced game
Why do so many players lie expecially Shaq he played is a mix a different eras why he acting like it was easier to score in 2009 lol why he didn't average 30 then
I'm not saying the defense in the NBA today is so much worse than the defense in the 90s, but the "rigid enforcement" of the hand check rule put in place in 1979 was not enforced very strictly at all you just found rare clips of when it was called
TheRiggedBA idk about that if you go into the rule book in 1979 it says there was “rigid enforcement” of the rule but it’s in quotes for a reason. It wasn’t really enforced strictly until the ‘94 season
TheRiggedBA ua-cam.com/video/8nBRV0TKsxo/v-deo.html Not sure if you’ve seen this video but it goes into detail about the hand checking rule and how it wasn’t enforced
@@TheRiggedBA What do you think of the quality of today's NBA this season? Skip Bayless is borderline trying to say that the West is watered down because of LeBron's Lakers dominating the West.
@@MistahUnknown I couldn't really say since I watch selectively little of the RiggedBA. But from the bit I've watched it looks strong. It looks like the most parity I've seen in awhile. Skip Bayless is of course the LeBron troll king, but watching the ESPN shows I've been seeing them say the West was watered down since LeBron announced he was going there. Damn near overnight. It was like: *(Monday)* "The West is so loaded. Treacherous. LeBron dominates because the East is weak. He wouldn't survive out West." *~LeBron signs out West~* *(Tuesday)* "You know, I think we overrate the West. There's really only one or two good teams. They're kind of watered down." So, I don't know.
Hey man, i think that the Warriors (even though they are a superteam) will dominate until KD leaves. Then the NBA will bring the classic Celtics vs Lakers rivalry back... If so, when do you think the Warriors' dominance will end?
Well I thought it was going to end after 2 years, which would be this year. But with the addition of Demarcus Cousins I'm not sure. Probably next year.
So, this year, i believe it is going to be the Warriors vs the Celtics in the Finals. Do you agree? If not for the Celtics, what team you think will come out of the East?
Well they're pushing the Celtics pretty hard in the media. That typically means a misdirection so they can send another team. But since the Warriors are an All-Star mismatch, they might just be pushing the Celtics to plant the seed in fans' minds that it's a good, competitive match-up that everyone should tune in to watch. You never know with Adam Silver, but I'm going with the Celts for now.
And if it is a misdirection indeed, what is that other team? PS. I've been watching you from the start of your UA-cam channel, but just now i created mine so that i can ''talk'' to you. Truth is that you are my favourite...
Check MJ’s reel against the Knicks in 1993 ECF, Game 4. He dropped 54 points by the way. He was getting hand checked vigorously by Starks and co, and those are just the highlights. Imagine the entire game. Try to show a modern player dropping 50 against relentless hands, elbows, and body impeding their drives. You can’t. Because no one today faces that level of contact, and that’s exactly what the league wanted. 2005 citation was the last and most effective hand check rule in phasing it out of the game and softening the game. None of the top scorers today would average 25 PPG in the bigger, stronger, more athletic, much more physical 1990s NBA.
A 50-point game being guarded by little John Starks forced by the rules to defend Jordan all alone on an island. Cool story. When MJ manages to get a 50-point playoff game with the rules allowing the defense to team up on him with zone as well as being hand-checked like LeBron did, then we can talk.
@@TheRiggedBA Stop deflecting. We’re talking about physicality, specifically hand checking. You can’t show me a single 50 point game from LeBron or any player today, where they facedthe level of hand checking that MJ did in that game 4 vs Knicks.
@@AirJordans2323 It's not a deflection because, no, you aren't just talking about physicality/hand-checking. You're also talking specifically about having 50-point games. But it was much easier for Jordan to get 50-point games because he was going against a weaker defense limited by the rules that modern players don't have. But if we're just talking about hand-checking, that would be easy since every player gets hand-checked. As far as that goes, the challenge isn't showing a modern player facing hand-checking like Starks did Jordan. It would be more of a challenge showing Jordan ever facing hand-checking from Starks as rough and violent as Draymond and the Warriors hand-checked LeBron(10:45).
@@TheRiggedBA 50 point games AGAINST hand checking. You’re deflecting because you can’t find a modern example. You posted 4 LeBron clips and only two of them have real hand checking. Point proven. If that’s all you can muster, then you for damn sure can’t show a 40 or 50 point game from any player today who faced the level of hand checking that Jordan faced vs the Knicks. Again, 2005 was the last and final citation in NBA’s history because it succeeded in removing physical defense and making perimeter D non-existent. Already proven fact.
@@AirJordans2323 Every player gets hand-checked, so that it's against hand-checking is a given. I've already shown you a modern example of hand-checking. Those "4" LeBron clips(there are a lot more than 4) showed rougher hand-checking than anything you've shown Starks doing to Jordan. Here is Jordan's 54-point game: ua-cam.com/video/b689My8YJZQ/v-deo.html Please give time stamps for when, in your mind, Starks is hand-checking Jordan rougher than Draymond and the Warriors were hand-checking LeBron.
I agree with some of your points but you use nba finals clips to highlight handchecking in today's era so dooh. I've watched a lot of games this season and handchecking is very little compared to those clips. And you can't deny the badboy era when piston got away with bodyslamming people left and right. Today players can't even argue with referees or commit hard fouls without being suspended. And I miss a lot of in your face dunks in the 90s. There was a lot more testosterone in the air. And the rivalry was way more intense and genuine back then.
Also so many foul calls and FTs now in a game compared to the 90s. A few punches cost today's player ejection, to suspension and fine. In 90s they got ejected but that's it. So many restrictions nowadays. And big men were more fun to watch back then because they bulldoze people around like Shaq or have great post moves like Hakeem. IMO 90s are way better compared to today's NBA
There were actually more fouls called per game back in the 80s and 90s than in the 2000s. People either forget or didn't actually watch back then to see how many touch fouls were called. But this is a follow-up video about hand checking. For the Bad Boy Pistons, fighting, etc., see the original video about physicality here: ua-cam.com/video/qPBz3_Jgd-U/v-deo.html
Im not a nba Fan anymore, but If i see this right from your vids.... that they won’t to be lebron better to be as Jordan.... they want lebron lesser rings that mike at his career end?
Hand check might’ve been banned, but it wasn’t enforced like it is now. It was still called, but it took way more contact. It’s very rare to see guys use both hands and get away with it like they did back then.
I agree with you on some things but this is not one of them. You picked and chose which videos to put up in your argument. You even tried to use plays where full court pressure wasn't even needed as your reference. I'm sure there were more clips to choose from, but you're reaching...
Firstly, full court presses are not the norm. That's part of the point being made. Back then, defenders often didn't even engage you until you were below the 3-point line. But secondly, you seem to be applying a double standard for some reason. You ignore that Kenny Smith is the one who originally used plays where there was no full court pressure, but require that I, *in response*, show full court pressure. Why you're doing that, I don't know.
@@TheRiggedBA read my comment again... Then respond accordingly. You tried to expose lack of pressure in a full court play that did not require pressure at all, in your argument. Here is where you are lost; Kenny did use a half court play to show lack of physicality of today's NBA. YOU used multiple plays, of yestergen, that started on the other end of the court, where there was no defensive pressure being applied because it was unnecessary. Then you reply, telling me about how defense was played back then, destroying your argument in the clips you used in the beginning of your video... Read my comment again, and next time watch your own video... I was not using a double standard. In fact, I stated that there were other clips that could've supported your argument, rather than using clips that a play began from inbound after the opposition scored... smh.
@@JusSick24 You may need to watch that again. Kenny used a clip of a player bringing the ball up the court without being pressed. His clip starts with the ballhandler in the backcourt. Kenny and Shaq then say that in his era there's no way you could bring the ball up without being pressured. Do you know what "bring the ball up" means? It means taking an in-bounds pass in the backcourt and advancing the ball up to the frontcourt. So that is what I showed: Kenny bringing the ball up.
@@TheRiggedBA they started the clip at a half court setting... Kenny said that you could bring the ball up and nobody would touch you. You were not responding to his clip, you were responding to his words... got it.
@@JusSick24 The ballhandler is actually in the backcourt when the clip starts. Kenny just freezes it when the player enters the halfcourt. But yes, I was responding to their words.
Is it my idea or is this show moving radically towards a revisionist narrative accompanied by an extreme kind of defense of "their" era by acting like moronic trolls and humiliating people who happen to respect the current era/players? Shame because I remember them as a refreshing show compared to these trolls hired to play journalist by ESPN who I swear one day will have a stroke when someone isn't glossing over Jordan for the entirety of their show. I think they even defended LeBron and other unjustifyingly harassed players from time to time because the commited the crime of going against th MJ prop. A lot of time has passed since I last saw Inside, but that was the vibe I was getting when it was on.
It's not just you. I've noticed the same thing. I don't know if it was gradual because I only watch the show every so often, but they've changed a lot. Barkley seems almost schizophrenic the way he completely contradicts his previous positions just to bash modern players.And when it comes to Jordan and LeBron, it's funny. Barkley said LeBron was Jordan but bigger, stronger and faster. Basically suggesting LeBron was better than Jordan. Now he says he'll slap anyone who says LeBron is comparable to Jordan.
Look at both highlights though, the Lane in the older one is far more congested leading to more physicality in the paint. The newer clip shows the Lane wide open.
@@MoetChandonHollywoodlifestyles Yeah, they played more in the post back then. But the paint is open in the modern clip because no one is attempting to enter it. Since defenders can now play zone, if LeBron were to attempt to drive, 3 or 4 guys can leave their assigned man and collapse into or around the paint at any time.
The difference in hand checking *enforcement* from then to now is literally night and day. Watch the 1993 ECF Game 4 for example. There was hand checking literally all game despite 1-2 foul calls, not a few hand selected plays. Straight arm at the top of the circle, changing a ball handler’s direction when he drives. There’s not a single game today I’ve ever seen where they hand check nearly as much as they did in that game.
Hand-checking happens every game both old school and modern, so I'm not in the habit of counting the number of hand-checks that occur in a particular match and committing it to memory. But I just looked at a few minutes of your Game 4 of the 1993 Finals, then looked at a few minutes of Game 6 of the 2017 Wizards/Celtics series. They're not only hand-checking non-stop in the 2017 series, but the hand-checking is notably rougher also. It would be hard to enforce the rule any less. But as I pointed out to you before, first the claim was that in Jordan's era "hand checking was legal". Then when that was proven to be a false myth, the claim suddenly switched to "well, it was illegal, but it wasn't enforced". Then when you show it being enforced, the claim switches to "well, it was enforced...but not as much". I suppose one can just keep switching to vaguer and vaguer hand-check claims until it it's so vague that it's meaningless and can't be proven or disproven. But the simple fact remains that hand-checking was illegal for the entirety of Michael Jordan's career and it was provably enforced against his defenders.
@@TheRiggedBA I said the Eastern Conference Finals. I went through the entirety of both games. There was more hand checking in the Bulls-Knicks example I gave you. There was less in the that 2017 game and it was also called a decent amount more.
@@TheRiggedBA [“…vaguer and vaguer hand check claims until it’s so vague that it’s meaningless and can’t be proven or disproven.”] Wrong. Hand checking was basically never enforced pre-2000s. This is why they kept writing citation after citation to get it under control. It wasn’t until 2005 that the league finally managed to make it disappear. And the results: higher scoring, higher efficiency, more 20+ PPG single season scorers than ever, and not a SINGLE citation passed since that year. No coincidence. There has never been a bigger scoring increase from year to year (when adjusting for pace) than the jump from 2004 to 2005. Hand check is dead and modern perimeter defense is non-existent. Already proven fact.
@@AirJordans2323 ["Wrong. Hand checking was basically never enforced pre-2000s."] Nonsense. And since you're on a video that actually shows and proves that it's nonsense, I have to wonder if you actually believe the nonsense you just said. ["This is why they kept writing citation after citation to get it under control. It wasn’t until 2005 that the league finally managed to make it disappear. "] It wasn't until anything, because hand-checking never disappeared. But to explain this again, a citation doesn't mean the rule wasn't being enforced for all the years before the citation. NBA citations are sometimes based on single events. The 2005 citation was made specifically because of the 2004 Finals. The citation is because the NBA didn't like it's enforcement level in that one particular series, not because hand-checking wasn't enforced before that series. You can literally see the hand-check rule being enforced in Jordan games in the 90s. Just as you can literally see LeBron and modern players still getting hand-checked today.
Show Gary Payton guarding Jordan, not these chumps raising their hands. That style of defense isn't permissible in today's league, but it was iconic of the physicality we remember. Furthermore, there was tons of physicality off the ball as well, much of which was just part of the game but remains largely unseen.
Jordan tried to post Payton up 95% of the time. That "physicality" was just normal jostling for post position, which is permissible today. Of course, no one today would try Jordan's 90s style offense of dropping into the post every possession, because it would no longer work against a modern defense. A defense today would only allow it a couple times, then they'd just have a zone defender front Jordan in the post and completely wipe that play out.
Hand checking enforcement was lax until 2004-05. It still wasn’t a true hand check rule. If it was enforced all the time then why is there constant mentions of hand checking in the rule book after 1979? There would be no need for this if it was enforced as much as they intended. And it doesn’t appear in the rule book again since then. This tells me that they finally got it under control.
That's a common misunderstanding. Multiple citations doesn't mean a rule wasn't enforced. As was the case with hand-checking, sometimes the NBA re-emphasizes it's rules based on a single high-profile event. The 2005 citation for example was in response to the very last games of the 2004 season, the 2004 Finals. So just because you see two hand-check citation years apart, it doesn't mean they didn't enforce hand-checking between all those years. It may mean the league was just unhappy with it's enforcement in one particular series recently.
@@3ball469 Owner Mark Cuban said he got the NBA to make the citation because of the Pistons' defense in the 2004 Finals: "After the [2004]finals, I sat down with the league and discussed with them the difference between player and team advantage. The discussion lead to changing the rules so that perimeter contact was called far more often."
i play against skill player that hand check and i play against who don't it easy score when they don't hand check next time you play if against a skill player tell him or her to hand check the whole game then the next game nba rules watch how much easy it is for you score when they don't hand check you be able to get more space to jump shot or beat him off dribble it does not matter if the player is fast or slow because take spacing away and you would have to work harder to beat him or her off the dribble everybody on here just try i bet you will have more energy more shot go in when they don't hand check compare to when the do hand check and then maybe just maybe see what they are talking about i know for fact with out doubt james harden would not get away with the step back with hand checking
The issue isn't whether hand checking is harder to score against than no hand checking. The issue is whether hand checking was legal in the 80s and 90s. And the answer is no.
Newsflash: Luca Doncic fined $10k for kicking the ball and Draymond Green got ejected in Warriors Clippers game for hanging on to the rim. What a joke, soft NBA has become. John Stark kicked the ball in 1993 playoff and got no call. Shawn Kemp hung on the rim all the time and got no call. Nowadays a little trash talking get you a foul call. Soft soft NBA 2019
It is obvious that you are being selective of what you want to see, hear, and believe. Anyone can play that game. I got next! There's no kicking in basketball so Doncic being fined for that is understandable. The commentators agreed with the ref's decision. ua-cam.com/video/yDCnEpq2W68/v-deo.html Pacers' Chuck Person kicks ball into crowd - ejected vs Bulls (1991) ua-cam.com/video/3rl3G34VLYw/v-deo.html Songaila Technical for hanging on rim after dunk, 2004 ua-cam.com/video/oZYiY_kx8jU/v-deo.html Commentators say "That should be a technical foul" for Horry hanging on Rim: ua-cam.com/video/FADGHVlwJwM/v-deo.html LeBron James blocks Stephen Curry and trash talks him with no technical fouls given ua-cam.com/video/py0-l1M_870/v-deo.html Kevin Garnett "SHIT OUTTA HERE NIGGA" and does not get called by the ref. ua-cam.com/video/e7AAD5Sx2jw/v-deo.html Based on these video evidence I've provided above, and according to your words, the NBA has been soft for a very long time. Yes, this includes the 90's. So, pick one. Is it, the NBA was always hard or was the NBA always soft? Nostalgia is a helluva drug.
@@MistahUnknown if you really wanna play that "selective video" angle just watch James Harden last night against Knicks. 25 free throw attempts... 25 fucking FTA! That's like career high for some benchwarmer players! Ref just gave the game to him. That game screamed how NBA is fucking soft nowadays. It's disgusting to watch. So many soft calls and so many players were afraid to get physical with him around the perimeter
@@bhend9229 This "Selective video" angle was yours to begin with. Not mine. I'm just calling you out on your inconsistencies thru the use of video footage from then. If you want to bring up Harden's 61 point game, I could bring up Jordan's 63 point game from the 1986 playoffs series against the Celtics where he attempted 21 free throws and say "that game screamed how NBA is fucking soft those days". You need to watch a video uploaded by TheRiggedBA titled "Could Today's Stars Survive The Old School NBA?" where he shows real life video evidence on what it was really like in the 80's and 90's. If that video shows you that players were getting the same calls as today, that would tell you that it was soft back then.
@@MistahUnknown yep Jordan got into FT 21 times on that game. The thing is I watched that game live on TV. Unlike Harden who flopped his way out for his 61 and shooting a lot of 3s, Jordan attacked the basket and wasn't afraid for any contact. Shooting a lot of 3s was not the norm back then. I remember how exciting it was to watch him shredding the defense back in that game. Harden 61 was not exciting at all and full of flops. And yeah I watch the rest of theriggedba videos. Some points I agree some points I disagree
Lol you’re not picking specific plays where you can find clips to support your argument Meanwhile since the rules have changed to help the offense Scoring has gone up Conversion on so many levels up Turnovers down All this with stars playing less and less We are currently in the SOFTEST EASIEST ERA to score EVER It can’t even be debated Kids making videos on UA-cam with single clips Anyone can make a video of ANY GAME ANY NIGHT in this league of shitty D & traveling never called Do a video on the
If the claims this video is debunking were true, I wouldn't be able to find clips to support my argument because they wouldn't exist. If hand-checking was legal as you "physicality" people always claim, then there would be no instances of it being called as an illegal act. The reason these clips exist is because the claim is bullshit, as are most of the claims you guys make.
@@TheRiggedBA you can find clips from any era of people laying off in a regular season game You think guys hand checked & picked up at half court in a game in January? or December? lets be serious. There was wayyyy more physicality a lot let go dirty plays not addressed But is Sacramento v the Celtics is what you want to hold Kenny on go ahead wondering if you covered the other years or just looking for clips? If it's clips i can find clips today of guys playing absolutely zero defense none in games giving wide open layups
@@SeecretWeapon It doesn't actually matter anyway, because 90s defenses didn't hand-check people fullcourt all game in either the regular season or playoffs. That's just a fantasy old school NBA revisionists have. But you're misdirecting your attack toward the wrong person. KENNY SMITH is who used a regular season game to make his bogus hand-checking argument. Everything you said should be aimed at *his* clips. I only used a regular season game because that's what the person I was responding to did. So you should direct these complaints to Kenny.
This video is garbage. So you cherry picked old videos of Kenny Smith playing regular season then new videos of Curry and LeBron during playoffs and finals? Well dooh everyone is physical on those series they go hard or they go home. This applies every year 80s 90s 2000s whenever. If you want to be fair, also pick clips from 2018s regular season games. Why don't you show how soft the game is now that James Harden can exploit the rules every night out with higher frequency to go to FT line? How about now that you can't trash talk without risking a foul? It's also about mental game not just physical. How you have to have thick skin and not get anything to you. I remember how Shawn Kemp taunted the posterized victims after dunking on them. Or how Jordan can talk shit straight to their face after and-1. How about when Dennis Rodman knee kicked a Bulls player and got away with it. Or how John Stark can kick the ball to the crowd and not getting a foul call. Shit there's so much beef and fights between Alonzo morning and Larry Johnson during Heat Knicks era that every single game they play seemed like a physical-game warzone. You can't do most of those without getting called for foul or paying a hefty fine or being suspended.
Um, Kenny Smith cherry picked a video of LEBRON playing a regular season game. That's why I showed Kenny Smith playing a regular season game. But it's funny; I actually made a sequence of Kenny Smith in a playoff game too just to kill that excuse before it started. Since I know you guys always make excuses for why things are never as tough as you lie about it being. But I cut that part out for purposes of video length, so now the excuse came as expected. Oh well. As for the rest of what you're talking about, see: ua-cam.com/video/qPBz3_Jgd-U/v-deo.htmlm14s
@@TheRiggedBA not surprised. Most of those clips were during playoff series when everyone is very physical dooh. Another cherry picked clips. The only major exception is dreymond green which is the few old school defender in today's era. You should read nytimes article called PRO Basketball; N.B.A. Rules Aim to Open Up Offenses on Sept 22 1997. One of the changes was "A defender will not be allowed to use his forearm to impede the progress of player who is facing the basket in the frontcourt". So... Softnening up the defense to allow more scoring? Even Thorn at the end said that those low scoring "were some exciting games" I really doubt you actually watched any 90s games from start to finish. The differences are night and day
@@bhend9229 Those hand check fouls the video shows being called in the 80s and 90s are mostly from the playoffs as well. So that they still were calling hand check fouls in the 80s and 90s playoffs where things were at their most physical only hurts your argument more.
@@TheRiggedBA Hal15Greer has some full-length 2hr-ish non-playoff NBA games from 70s to 90s . Feel free to check them out. Hand checking is pretty normal in regular games. There are more full length non playoff 90s games scattered around UA-cam. I was lucky enough to watch them live in 90s and some from NBA classic
And kenny smith says my personal nemesis he behaves like he was superstar player, he was just a role player bench player a monkey on the wagon, and Dwight Howard told him well Steph Curry is better player than Michael Jordan Offensively which is completely true, but kenny being kenny continues denying the truth and he knows it
"My generation was the best"
"We were tougher"
"We played our heart out"
We all heard that in the early 1980s when Bird came. When Jordan came in, many -- including Ray Firestone, Wilt Chamberlain, Bon Lanier -- all repeat how they were better in the good old days. How they played smarter & adopted a more rugged style of basketball.
We are only witnessing history repeating itself all over again.
Thank you. This is getting crazy. Old guys don't see that and I don't know why because it's so obvious.... You just need to watch a Wilt interview and he says stuff like he would average 40 points per game at age 50 or that there's no centers except Hakeem and so on.
+Dave Toussaint
Yep. If it wouldn't have made the video longer than I wanted, I would have shown some the old(er) school players saying the same types of things about the 90s.
@@riccardodepieri4582
Wilt Chamberlain stated he could had scored 70 PPG in 1989 [in his prime] in a Ray Firestone's interview.
@@TheRiggedBA
You should made a video about it. Magic, Bird and many others criticized the NBA in the 1990s.
Why? Because people of my age tend to embellish the past... I was born in 1970s BTW.
In 2035 when teams are shooting 60 threes per game we will be hearing about the "good-old days" of Lebron and physicality vs. the superstar of 2035.
This video needs FAR MORE RECOGNITION. Sucks that I JUST came across this 5 years later.
That's by design, unfortunately. UA-cam actively suppresses this channel so the videos aren't seen. They've been doing it for a few years now. For better or worse, I've gotten used to it.
Ahhh Kenny Smith, the older he gets, the better he was, years from now his stories will be about how he somehow revolutionized the NBA
Exactly. 😄
When I see people claiming that players were better back in the day, I just laugh. I grew up watching 90’s basketball, and I stopped watching around 2000. I just recently started watching again, and I’m AMAZED at the level of talent the league has now. These guys would dominate in whatever era they played in. It’s ridiculous to think otherwise.
Exactlyyyy
Uh no.
@@moptopzzz8076 yes
@@moptopzzz8076 yes the only thing is the players today get conditioned on defense equals foul but thats not their fault the rules just change
damn you missed out on early 2000’s basketball man, kobe, vince, ray, bron, tmac, iverson, ben wallace, yao, shaq, dwade, dirk, it’s arguably the most competitive fun to watch era right under the 2010’s when every team has a good big 3
Man this amy be my favorite basketball channel on UA-cam. You break down myths and hypocrisy like i do when I talk to people, especially about sports. Please keep this great content coming.
@Drink Me dont get distracted. Concentrate! don't waste your gift. You are one of the best at sucking in the world!
Back in the good old days, I had to walk to school in the snow barefoot for 50 miles for 365 days a year. We couldn't afford shoes. We didn't have any vehicles. Heck, we didn't have any bikes either. Those were the days when no one could afford bags to carry their books in. I had to balance my books on top of my head while walking those 50 miles ever day. Oh, did I mention that no one couldn't afford mittens back then, either? Yep. The good ole days.
Mistah Unknown 🤣
“BaCk iN My dAys I was getting hit with missiles and bazookas to the basket. I had blood coming out of my mouth when I got HaNdChEcKeD. I played in a MaNs lEaGuE unlike these soft little boys.”
- Ex 90s NBA Player
Drink Me Stfu incest
Drink Me your a fucking loser
Drink Me at least i’m not a moron who can’t handle the facts he was spitting
Thank you. I knew those guys were overdoing it because watching basketball in the 90s I was repeatedly told "It's a non-contact sports"
Yep, that's what they'd always say. Good point.
@@TheRiggedBA why do they lie?
@@davelouie131 Ego and marketing. But they're not always lying. Sometimes they genuinely just don't understand the rules. The NBA explains and announces these things in very confusing ways for some reason.
Whenever somebody brings up handchecking, Im just gonna show them this video. Thank you. At least somebody understands.
Please send this to TNT. The hating and the macho attitude showed by NBA vets these days is so crazy that it's not even fun to watch anymore. We are fed the same bullshit over and over again, and it's funny because they wanna act like they're just making observations when it's obvious that they are stroking their own egos every time. It really bums me out that in other sports change and innovation is welcome and appreciated while in basketball and particularly in the NBA ex players and so called experts are so unfair and biased. They seem to have no idea what they're talking about most of the time, they are clearly not aware of the X and O's of today's game, they talk about it like it's just some guys randomly popping threes or whatever. Another very annoying thing is that even guys like McGrady or KG or pierce or Rasheed, who played more recently, in an era where the 3 point shot was already predominant, join the old guys in the hate and say dumb stuff like get back to the post game or whatever (KG was criticized during his career for taking too many jumpers btw)
+Riccardo De Pieri
Yeah, it irked me seeing McGrady start hating on the NBA like he played in the 60s or something. I'm like dude, you just retired 15 minutes ago. And it's crazy because guys like McGrady, Shaq and Vince Carter were the main ones griping about zone, so at one point they understood why the game is the way it is now and how hard it is to score. McGrady was shooting almost eight 3-pointers a game at one point. But they get amnesia the second they retire.
@@TheRiggedBA lmao true stuff! Also lmao @ McGrady retiring 15 minutes ago!
@@TheRiggedBA ua-cam.com/video/nvmT-V9zkaE/v-deo.html
This is funny ahahaha I just saw this video pop up and I remembered your comment
The fact that I just came across this video just made my day when I hear these dudes complaining about today's game makes me cringe and number 1 Kenny acting like he was a HOF smh gtfoh but someone has to get this on espn TNT some platform and for the guys that just retired piss me off the most but thanks for the video this has to be seen asap!!!!
I hate how people say that players back in the day didn’t get calls. Imo every nba superstar got ridiculous calls in every era.
@Drink Me rest for a little bit but you must continue working on your gift at sucking
The famous video of Magic, Mike, and Larry attests to that. "Don't get too close to Michael or it's a foul"
@@1missing There's also that clip from the 1993 Finals where Jordan flops and gets a call on Barkley and Barkley says to the ref "No, that's not a foul. I know that's Michael Jordan, but that's not a foul" and the ref Ts him up, lol
Especially MJ and LBJ. Those refs was slurping them hard when they were in their primes.
Even if you explained/showed this to any NBA vets they'd play you off as a tin hat psycho
Gets know it’s rigged. John Salley alludes to this all the time but Barkley/Kenny work for espn they were told to say what they said
Freddy Calipari ua-cam.com/video/43WWAD6t51k/v-deo.html
Mistah Unknown he says this on any network. Heard him on a local radio station in Toronto saying mj ain’t the goat and David stern the father of marketing imo brainwashed many into thinking so.
@Drink Me i like the way you suck
I love your channel bro. You're openly discuss with UA-cam person, even if they disagree with you.
Also, you provide proofs, contextualize and don't buy the crap TV shows are providing.
I was blocked by another UA-camr, a millenial, because I post a few clips of 1980s and 1990s defenders being called while hand checking or teams using illegal defense which resulted in free-thow + possession of the ball.
Jordan's and 1990s NBA fans are so sensitive & sell centered. If you showed them they are wrong, they're literally blocking you... And didn't want to understand.
They're like the 1960s and 1970s stars that blasted Magic, Bird and Jordan on Roy Firestone's show... They remembered things incorrectly and truly believed the NBA stopped when they retired.
I was born in the 1970s and I never want to ressemble those old heads. Every era had their pros and their cons.
That wouldn't surprise me. Jordanites tend to prefer echo chambers and hate being challenged. They like to collect around a Jordan video and just circle jerk each other. I don't really get it. I mean I understand liking a player, but that's not a regular gathering of fans. When Jordanites get together it's like a church service.
@@TheRiggedBA lmfao
@@TheRiggedBA its obssed delusional fans i get what your sayin like the marks in wrestling
@@TheRiggedBA thank you.. plzzz create more.. im sick of these oldies pulluting the younger gen.. with back in my days argument
@@getamped299 man I hate that shit. It just so cringe.
I heard Stephen A. say like a month or two ago that Jordan would average 50 or even 60 in today's NBA smh.
WALL·Es Channel Jordan today would average 50... shot attempts per game
If Jordan played in this era, he wouldn't have gotten all the superstar treatment he got in the 90's.
I'd just like to see someone who makes these claims break down how it could possibly happen. Because they just say Jordan will average 20+ free throws a game since you supposedly can't touch him. But if you're going to make that claim, you have to explain why no one else gets anywhere even remotely approaching those numbers. It's not like Jordan is the only player that drives to the basket. I mean, I know they can't actually provide a breakdown because it's not realistically possible for Jordan to do it. I just wish they would at least try, so that they would realize this for themselves in the process.
with power and money he had he can dominate every era easyly. david stern made nba world wide known with using just his name and face. even wilt told players in his era need to pay him %10 of their salary. nba is not just basketball for me its harlem globetrotters show every night its just modern day wrestling. still today you can see bulls jersey with MJ name on it even in north korea. yes he is overrated but not that much he can still average 20 or 30.
Hoodfame Kyro
Jordan’s dropping at Least 35-36 points a game
Nobody’s checking him
The only player who’s checking MJ is Kawhi
Other than that no one is stopping him from going to a baskey
"Steph would still be a great player, possibly."
Seriously Kenny?
+The Notorious G.T.M.
LOL
Right. He couldn't let it go without slipping that little jab. So unnecessary.
Tell me one PG in the 90s who can shoot 3 like Steph Curry. Nobody.
If John Stockton can drop 18 points & 15 assist against Garry Payton how much more would Curry would do against Payton. Nobody shoots like Curry. GP can talk shit all he want but if somebody shoot like that and has a handle of Allen Iverson on the era mostly for post up players lol. He will take your best defender hearts out. Imagine a Reggie Miller who has a handles and can move from one side to another in just a blink of an eye lol and can shoot from 30 to 40 ft. He would fuck Jordan up if Reggie move like Curry.
@@pauloaustria7798
Defenders in general back then often didn't even pick a guy up until he was below the 3-point line. It would have been considered a waste of energy since guys couldn't shoot like that in the 90s. Gary Payton has no concept of what it would be like to guard someone who's in range the second he crosses the halfcourt line. I knew Gary didn't understand the situation when he said something like he'd just go under the screens for Curry to stick with him. But Curry only needs a split second of daylight to get a shot off. He literally doesn't even wait for the screen to complete. By the time you even bend your knees to duck around the screen, you've already given up 3 points.
Kenny Smith would be a backup PG at best in today’s NBA.
Today’s PGs like Curry, Kyrie, Dame, Russ, or hell even Goran Dragic would eat his lunch all day and night.
Man, I love your content. Please do a video on 80’s and 90’s players flopping. It would make my day. ✌️
Cant do that. Dumb@ss
I love this channel so much
Thanks!
Its funny how old heads complain about the lack of physicality in todays NBA. Teams from the 60s-80s were playing at a ridiculously face pace and running up the scoreboard. The pace of the game slowed down in the early 90s when teams started playing more iso-ball and the drop in talent level being diluted do the NBA adding seven new franchises during a 5 year period. The zone defense rule in the early 2000s made it harder for great one-one players like Shaq, Iverson, and T-Mac to put up ridiculous numbers and teams had to adapt to these changes. The small ball style of play, rise of analytics, and Steph Curry's rise to stardom transformed the NBA. Teams these days no longer rely heavily on iso ball and focus more on floor spacing and ball movement. The talent level in the league is at an all time high but these old heads claim that the 90s had the best players. Teams racking up points in nothing new and these old heads need to rely on facts instead of advocating false narratives.
Why do you say the talent level is at it's best now?
Jordan himself admitted he hated the zone defense
He sure did. Multiple times. He hated them because he said they made scoring harder for star players.
Drink Me so not 30
I Love your channel man, you really should start uploading more.
Good job. I enjoyed the video. What do you think about former NBA referee Earl Strom saying that if they officiated Wilt like they had too for MJ then Wilt would have averaged 85-90 ppg... because Earl refereed both eras.
Wow, I didn't know Strom said that. Slanted officiating certainly had a huge impact on how much Jordan was able to score. Jordan could just make a move, knowing he was going to get a foul call any time a defender touched him, or even just got close to him sometimes. Any player could score more with that kind of interference. It's good when referees admit what happened.
You have a pretty cool channel, by the way.
@@TheRiggedBA Thank you!
I’ve been saying this. The physicality isn’t that much different now compared to back then. Hand checking still exist today. The players nowadays are just so skilled and talented and the floor is so spaced out, that players today don’t get bothered by hand checking, hence why fans might not notice it, hence why they think it doesn’t exist anymore. They point out the ticky tack fouls that are called, but ignore the clear excessive physical contact that doesn’t get called. If anybody watches any current nba games under a microscope, you’ll notice the a bunch a hand checking that doesn’t get called. Look at the lakers-warriors game a few days ago and look how much physically there was in that game, Curry and LeBron getting hand checked and hacked throughout the game.
And I'd also add that, since screens are used a lot more in today's offenses, defenders have to position themselves to go around a screen or rotate to another player instead of hand-checking as often.
@@TheRiggedBA yup. Simply put, the nba today is more team oriented and ball movement is more prevalent, therefore by default, the offense is going to be in a lot of situations where they don’t have to deal with physicality and hand checking.
@@danmarley2813 Thanks for the explanation for this...
Kenny might be dreaming when he said that the dribbling skills of today's generation are only illusion. This guy is so funny. If it is true then how come they were not able to check Allen Iverson with his killer cross over. AI might have break his ankle if he tried to guard him. Allen Iverson is a game changer like stephen curry and MJ. Why do these legends cannot accept the fact that they are less talented than the players of this new generation. I repeat they were exposed by Iverson! It is Skills over physicality!
A true fan speaking truth.
This video explained it all. Thank you so much.
I wonder how Kenny would respond to this video? Anyways great video as always!
THAT'S GOTTA BE KANE!! Dude would have an aneurysm live.
I hate how these old heads keep pushing their unverified biases onto the airwaves. It was tougher back then...oh really? flagrant fouls still occur today. As the author mentioned in his other video, hand checking is less of an obstacle compared to zone defense and the ability to block off the lane from drives.
facts...
Did u see that clip when Rick Carlisle called out the tnt crew for criticizing him and kp for not posting up more? Its fuckin gold...his team was having an historically great offensive season, and these old guys are sayin "put em on the block"!!! Hahaha
I love your videos keep making more.
Thank you
@G-man
I've been considering doing a whole Jordan myth series since so many people have asked for it. I'll certainly do it if/when I start putting my videos on Patreon, since UA-cam keeps screwing with this channel.
You are amazing. You must have more views.
TheRiggedBA, you're just fucking awesome.
Lebron is the greatest basketball player I’ve seen and we’re ever see. No amount of revisionist history will change thst
eBron James facts 💯🤫
I can't say LeBron is the greatest player because he's clearly some type of cyborg, so it doesn't count.
one word can change that : Wilt.
TheRiggedBA 😂😂😂
He's not doing too good lately on Lakers though. Goat is stretching it
Our boy is back
It's about damn time! goo.gl/fFnD3P
These guys have great chemistry and they are fun to watch but they are just keep on hating and lying to make their era look better.
Yep. They're a great show, but you have to take anything they say about their era vs today with a grain of salt.
It's good to see so many of these ex players, "analysts" and even part time basketball fans called out for their bs. Only just found your channel after searching "jordan overrated" and you have some compelling stuff. I think he was a great player but the way people just put him on this level that's out of the grasp of every other player in history is completely ignorant. I watched him and know what he was, he was never my favorite player though. It just seemed to be cool to like Michael and the Bulls back in the day when they were on top and if you were in a certain age group. It was mostly hype to people who don't actually play the game. Watching the old games again you kind of realize he wasn't some untouchable god like figure on the court. The best? Maybe. Absolutely clearly the best of all time? You can't even make that call with the different skill sets, team situations and rule changes, let alone the blatant match fixing. I've thought maybe LeBron might have had a very good case at some points but you really can't say either way. Different eras. Hell, maybe Wilt would have killed any era. I think you cherry picked some things on some of these videos but they are still real and completely relevant. Interesting stuff. I know many people who proudly proclaim Jordan is the best ever and that's that. These people weren't watching other teams very much back in the day OR NOW and own the Jordan VHS tapes and DVDS. You can't reason with them about many things at all come to think of it.
@Drink Me offended MJ stan.
Handchecking been ilegal since the mid 70s. These old heads always ignore that part. Players back in the day had it good with no zones or handchecking. 1v1 paradise.
@breadandcircuses8127 Cause of zones but it still be a nice way to even out how relaxed dribbling is
@@NothingElseMattersJM I'll take the big man camping at the paint if you let me go 1v1 without zones OR handchecking.
League averaged 110ppg on WAAAAAAY LESS 3pt attempts in the 80s. The packed paint wasn't stopping the parade of layups at the rim xD
@@NothingElseMattersJM Scoring was lower in the 00s and mid 2010's than the 80s and mid 90s. XD
@@NothingElseMattersJM So why aren't people saying MJs scoring is overrated sinfe his most gaudy numbers came from a ton of shots, free throws and aduring inflated stats era too? Instead people say he'll avg 50ppg today xD.
So smaller players have it easier to go around or through zones and it still bothered them and the effect in scoring was noticeable. It helped slow down the pace directly.
Case in point? EVERY good 1v1 scorer was bitching about zones. Here's the list you can literally verify on YT: Jordan (who himself admitted he wouldnt be the same player if he played his entire career against a zone), Kobe, Shaq, Iverson, McGrady, etc.
Dod they score a lot? Yes. Did the zone make it harder? Yes. Which is why Kobe putting up 35ppg in 2006 on 44% from the field in a league avg 95ppg was more impressive than Jordan avg 37ppg on a leagie avg 110ppg on 48% shooting.
@@NothingElseMattersJM I'm not accepting anything that begins by scaling down a statistic lol. Ppg 110 for jordans peak era and 95 for kobe. One avg 28fga and 12 fta and the other 27 and 10. One avg 37 and the other 35. Its not rocket science.
The amount of receipts this guy has is insane
Thank you. I love your videos
Thanks!
Would you be able to make a video about stat padding? Since it's a huge topic now and people belittle Lebron and Westbrook over it. Even though Michael was known for doing that. People seem to think it's some new concept. I don't understand why that is.
Yeah, Jordan and Kobe do it so much yet everyone just make it seem like it's something new
The original stat padder was Wilt Chamberlain
@Samuel Díez
I don't want to shock you or anything, but Jordan was an ADMITTED stat padder. He openly said he'd monitor his stats at the scorers table to make sure he got his numbers, and he even specifically said he padded his assists stats in that one, anomalous 8 assist year you're talking about. Jordan's teammates have also spoken out against his stat padding. Even when it came to the Triangle offense, both coach Phil Jackson and Jordan himself have admitted that Jordan blatantly disobeyed the coach and often broke the Triangle offense specifically to get his personal stats because Jordan always wanted make sure he scored the most points in the league.
@Samuel Díez
So you say Jordan didn't stat pad. Then when I point out to you that Jordan is an admitted stat padder, your argument that Jordan didn't stat pad...is to explain that he stat padded to win MVP? LOL
Gee, you really got me on that one. 😄
Then you follow that winning response up by saying every player is stat conscious and that you never denied that. Then what are you arguing, exactly? Do you you even know, or are you just saying things to hear yourself speak/type again?
Someone needs to send this video to that KJRAWX person.
he's such a fanboy, all these mj fanboys stick by the rule book and quotes instead of what actually happened
@@dynamic6645 Worse, they selectively only do it when it favors their narrative. When you talk about post-Jordan NBA, they'll say there's absolutely no hand-checking and swear by the rule book. But when you point out that the rule book prohibited hand-checking in Jordan's era too, they claim it wasn't enforced and suddenly say the rule book doesn't matter.
@@TheRiggedBA yeah that's pathetic honestly, Jordan fans are by far the worst fans ever !
@@dynamic6645 Easily.
One thing I notice watching old '80s and '90s games compared to today is that back then you were guarding a man and trying to alter his shot, whereas in the modern NBA you're more guarding against tendencies and spots on the floor. If a guy like Khris Middleton is on fire from the left elbow, you're doing everything you can to make sure he doesn't even get to set up on the left elbow and push him off his spot. If Kyrie is driving to the right, the defense isn't so much geared toward getting in front of Kyrie, but making sure Kyrie can't get to the right side. Like "You can have your left and try it there and I'll live with it, but I'm not gonna let you take me right again because I know you're feeling it from there".
In the '80s and '90s you could pretty much walk into whatever spot you wanted on the floor. "Good defense" was just making sure you were trying to get your hand in his face every time. I remember seeing old Larry Bird games, and obviously Bird was an incredible player, but he would just post up for a second and then flare out into a catch-and-shoot 18 foot jumper on the right side and it was an automatic 2 points every time. In today's NBA he'd have to really alter his game because an NBA defense now would see that play setting up and just say "Yeah, you're not catching the ball here. You'll have to try something else".
I'm not sure how much of this is the rule changes, or if it's mostly coaching and tactics getting more advanced, or if offensive players are just so good that just putting a hand in their face isn't really doing much to slow anyone down.
No one read your whiny essay troll
So why did Michael Jordan have drastically different shooting performances like shooting 52% FG against the 96 Magic vs shooting 40% FG against the 1993 Knicks if it was all the same defenses without any adjustments based on tendencies?
@@NothingElseMattersJM Because he wasn't a god that was immune to bad shooting performances as Jordan fans will have you believe.
@@Zion122 No it’s because different teams ran different defensive schemes…… that simple
@@NothingElseMattersJM What? Do you seriously think that it was impossible for Jordan to have bad shooting performances? You seriously believe that the only way he could have underperformed is if his opponents changed their defensive schemes? 😂 How would they even guard him any differently? The illegal defense rules made it impossible to prevent him from driving to the paint and getting a layup before defenses could collapse on him without doubling and leaving one of his teammates wide open. Just face it: Michael Jordan is not a god, but a mere mortal who had a shooting slump in the playoffs.
Derek Harper's defense in the 94 finals looks in-distinguishable from how avery bradley plays defense on basically every play. Kenny probably barely watches any modern nba
I think Kenny Smith is probably so set in his views that his mind just blocks out anything he sees that goes against it.
Cause the modern NBA sucks you i/diot
@@TheRiggedBA way to describe yourself troll
7:14 that « defense » 😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's so suffocating. No modern player would be able to score against that brutal lack of contact.
@@TheRiggedBA lol old heads want us to think that Frank Castle was patrolling the paint
Ahh another great video!! This is so awesome!! It’s to bad so many are brain washed lol 😆 keep them coming! I actually stopped watching NBA after the 3-1 Golden state series although I knew about the Sac Kings back in the day. But that did it for me. This year after Kobe died I said “uh oh” Lebron going to win the finals this years boy was I right!! God bless your work my man!!
That doesn't prove much. Lakers had a healthy LeBron and AD al through the playoffs and in the bubble and a long break to boot. Everyone predicted Lakers would make it at least to semis and it wasn't some massive prediction or stretch to think they'd win the championship. Heat got seriously lucky to make it on the other hand.
What did you think about the officiating of rockets warriors game 7???
Great videos.
The only thing I think you're missing are the Carrying and Travelling rules that changed in the 2000s when Iverson and LeBron were allowed to abuse.
So how did the 90’s players score under such intense pressure? They must’ve had unreal talent if they can score with a hand on their arm and being tackled at the rim.
Great vid
Isiah, Tim Hardaway and Kenny Anderson’s handles 😍
Have you noticed that many warrior fans are kobe fans these days?
I was watching the warriors and rockets game last night and after the game many fans complained about how much harden and cp3 iso
They say the same thing about LeBron iso
Why do these people complain about iso and claim to be all about team play but their favorite players or idols like Jordan and kobe iso more than anyone? I don't understand
They will complain about iso while having a kobe or Jordan avatar lol
Just a few questions I wanted to ask
It's frustrating watching NBA media to be honest. Because 99% of it is nonsense. It's all based on false narratives. And since it's coming from former players, obviously people receive it as truth.
Former players and media members can say whatever they want, but the actual video tape showing what actually happened on the basketball court does not lie.
PLAYER EFFICIENCY RATING 😉
Awww someone's salty
@@nonamewillbegiven6847 Well that was almost a year ago, so Nah, not at all. I'm pretty happy right now, Wbu?
@@emmanuelmoses7249 no you're not
Jmxyhighroller prove that it is easier to score nowadays. Players from the past aren't crazy, they just aren't very good at explaining why their claim is true. It's a fact that the three-point shot inflates scoring today, also the fact that there is more spacing around the Court gives players more space to operate, there is no hand checking, there's this misconception that hand checking is been illegal since 1979. That's a myth that has been spread because the definition of hand checking has changed throughout history. It was define as the same thing in 1979, as it was today. Hand checking was allowed up until the 1999-2000 season. The league softened up even more on the rules in the 2004-05 season to make it easier to score. They admitted this, it is documented, it is a fact. Also the thing that a lot of people don't bring up is that back in the '80s and '90s there was no defensive 3 second violation. Which meant that you could camp in the paint all game long and it was harder to get into the paint and score with lips especially if you were a guard, like Michael Jordan.
*"there was no 3 second violation in the 80s and 90s"*
nope, not true
ua-cam.com/video/6v_PaSn2Ygo/v-deo.html
["Jmxyhighroller prove that it is easier to score nowadays."]
Really? That would be odd, since
JxmyHighroller blatantly steals my channel's content to prove the exact opposite.
@@dynamic6645 Defensive 3 violation you putz
@@TheRiggedBA Jxmy has different content.
Your videos deserve more views, man. This exactly what "quality content" is. At this point, it's a sin not to subscribe.
Thanks. I appreciate it.
@TheRiggedBA
Have you noticed lately they're starting to treat Tom Brady like MJ? Anytime somebody disagrees with Brady being goat or picking against the pats they resort to the same shaming tactic Jordan fans do
"He's mad that Jordan prevented him from rings"
"still salty over 96 finals "
It's like they can't have a different opinion it has to be a board consensus lol
Why should you care with pundits are saying? Either way, Nfl and NBA nowadays have lost their ways. That's why people are excited with AAF because that's an old school football when players are allowed to hit hard. I can't wait for a new basketball league to emerge without all the stupid nonsense rules NBA has right now. One can only wish...
Plus nowadays pundits have differing opinions between Jordan, LeBron, Curry or KD. The idolization of who's the goat seem to be split rather evenly
@@bhend9229 I wasn't asking for your opinion you're irrelevant bye
they gave him 6 rings too...
guys like giannis, AD, lebron and blake griffin would make guys like kenny a smith and charles look like highschoolers. those exaggerated 90s rules add a LOT more to a modern player's arsenal more than they limit them.
Didn’t the five second back to the basket rule become a thing because of Barkley? And he was still playing from what I know
I/diot
Can you show a video showing the defense that was played on Jordan in comparison to the defense played on lebron
+Trey Pound
Have you seen this one?
ua-cam.com/video/YM_eCnTNt1Q/v-deo.html
TheRiggedBA I have actually, I liked it when it came out as well lol. What I meant was in terms of individual defenders vs the defenders against Lebron and the defensive talent. By now you have seen the trend of calling Jordan’s competition “plumbers”. It is obviously a joke and exaggerated, but it does show more and more people are waking up especially younger fans and millennials to the the lie that is the 90’s and Michael Jordan’s Goat Status
TheRiggedBA it’s okay if that’s not one of your intended videos though
@@treypound6402
Ah, OK. I had considered something like that as part of a Jordan myth series I may end up doing. We'll see.
@@TheRiggedBA I LOVE UR CHANNEL
Kenny , the illegal defense & iso itself made that era easier , it was all one on one
Question about the 5 second back to the basket rule.
Can the offensive player face the basket momentarily, to reset the timer? Similar to how you can step in and out of the lane allowing you to essentially camp in the paint indefinitely?
No, the count continues. So far as I know, it only resets if you come out above the free throw line.
Responding to yourself when you google has the information about the 5 second back to the basket rule ? Lol, dude you have to invest in a vpn. Your surfing the net naked with your IP everywher.
@@TheBronzeBomber38 Are you now suggesting that you can see our IPs and that they are the same?
@@TheRiggedBA You mad I exposed your channel? Lol
@@TheBronzeBomber38 No. I was just curious to see if you're wrong so often due to innocent mistakes, or if you intentionally say things that are wrong as part of your trolling. With basketball claims, it's kind of hard to tell. But claiming we're the same person based on you supposedly being able to see our IPs couldn't be a mistake. That would just be you lying. Noted.
I wonder how many points and how much success Jordan would have in today’s NBA.
I mean yeah I think he’s overrated asf and his fanboys are extremely toxic but I still think he’s a very gifted athlete with a plethora of scoring moves. I mean he was well ahead of his time.
The level of competition at his position and for his supremacy is so much higher in today’s NBA. Kawhi Leonard, a 34 year old LeBron, Giannis, and even a pre injury Durant would give him a run for his money.
I don’t believe he would be a “glorified DeMar DeRozan” if he played in today’s NBA, but I don’t see him averaging 50 PPG all because there’s no “HaNdChEcKiNg”. I mean that’s already been debunked along with the physical hard fouls.
The combination of bigger, taller, more athletic defenders, zone defenses, no David Stern to “protect” him, and the possibility of not playing for a stacked team would actually give him trouble in today’s NBA.
I think Jordan today would be about a 25ppg scorer. He would no longer be the best scorer in the league, and I don't think he'd really be in the conversation for best player. He may be elitely skilled, but zone defense reduces everyone to outside shooting, which is the one skill Jordan never could develop. So he would be a good but ultimately limited scorer. And his defense wouldn't look as hot today now that he'd be facing real talent at his position and trying to guard guys who can actually score.
Giannis is about as good as it's possible to be without a three-point shot in today's league and he's arguably not even a top 3 player thanks to zone. So Jordan would be in trouble.
Drink Me shut up
Kenny "The Untouched Long Two Pointer" Smith. Also that handchecking on Lebron was egregious. He was getting fouled constantly.
Lebron has one of the worst whistles for a superstar
@@westbrook_apologist7422 Lebron just isn’t as great as players like MJ and Iverson at drawing fouls. Not that complicated lol
@@westbrook_apologist7422 how about drawing contact fanboy cause 10 free throws attempted a game in 06, 08, 010 doesnt seem like horrible whistles. Fanboy
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 ok and how about when MJ had two seasons when he averaged 10+ free throws? One of them he was damn near 12
@@legendarywiimaster its called attacking the rack and as i said drawing contact you i/diot
bwahahhahhahhahahhaha
"Hell naw, because Michael Jordan had to play against physical contact".
bwahahahahahhahahahahahaaaa, mr. phantom fouled me, mr. untouchable, bwahahahaha ohhhhh the hypocrisy
+Uncle Timo
LOL
Exactly.
@@TheRiggedBA
I don't really like bball that much, but the topic of rigged sports fascinates me.
All sports in USA are classified as entertainment, which means that rigging is ipso facto allowed and not illegal. Which REALLY opened my eyes when I learned that and considered Vegas legal gambling (and illegal + legal Asia gambling).
When I was a small kid, I looked at the NFL.
Patriots won after 9/11.
After the flood, New Orleans won.
Lights went out and suddenly a blowout became a very close game (and everybody came back to the TV from the BBQ outside: wut happened? lights went out? wow, lets watch!).
It all goes back to the legal classification of sports as entertainment.... exactly like WWE wrestling.
Are all games rigged? No. Not even all championships.
But some ARE and it is blatant. MLS soccer - for some reason our "real madrid" wannabe LA Galaxy get the best players every year and global superstars with others being pale shadows. The only sport where I have doubts it is rigged in USA is hockey (and rugby, cuz no one plays it).
@Drink Me They did but they were called for it I'm pretty sure.
What do you think about LaVar/BBB/The Ball Family?
Well, I like LaVar at least. Though he seems to have absorbed all the energy and personality in the family.
Lavar Ball can beat Jordan one on one
FINALLY!!!!
The fucking goat is back
Hey theriggedba do you think their is a team(s) the nba can't or is hard to rig against like the 2009 Orlando magic
Well how hard it is to rig against a team depends on the match-up. The greater the disparity between the teams, the harder it would be to rig it against the better one. So it would depend on what team and who they're playing.
@@TheRiggedBA what do you think of LeBron going to the lakers, they are losing badly does the nba not want LeBron in LA
@@gyk2985
I didn't like the move at all and was surprised that LeBron would go to Kobe 's old house. But I don't think the NBA minds. I expect for the Lakers to get a lot of help and be great next year. And maybe even in the second half of this year after the trade deadline.
@@TheRiggedBA maybe Lebron going to the Lakers is Lebron's plan, as you know the NBA loves them big market teams and will probably help him win like 1 or 2 more rings basically Lebron is riding the system at this point.......... probably
@TheRiggedBA
What do you think about UA-camr Bruce Blitz?
I think a lot of people assume that I hate Bruce Blitz, but I actually don't have anything against him personally. He's obviously blinded by nostalgia and a complete whackjob when it comes to Michael Jordan, but he at least has actual game knowledge and has some entertaining content. I haven't seen any of his stuff in years though so I'm not sure what he's putting out these days.
So your response is digging up old scenes from regular season games, showing relaxed D in the 1st quarter ? The point is that they could turn it up and where allowed to play hard full court D. Show some playoff games and compare them to today's playoff games.
That doesn't mean that today's players suck or wouldn't be successful in the 90s. Most of them would still be great, but their numbers would be down.
Harden or Westbrook wouldn't average double digit rebounds. All point averages would be down by 2-5 points.
It's simple math. Today's average NBA team ATTEMPTS 20 more 3 pointers than in the 90s. Way more shot attempts across the board = more chance for rebounds and assists. While point averages, 3 pointers, assists and rebounds have all gone up ACROSS the board, steals and blocks have stayed almost the same. Numbers don't lie....and again, not hating on today's players. If you are in the NBA in 2021 you are not just one of 400 Americans to have made it to the highes league, you are today one of the 400 best in the WORLD, due to globalisation of the game. So yes, all stars of this era would have been good players in the 90s....that being said, MJ and several others would also be great players today.
What has changed is how the game is called, HOW MANY SHOTS THE PLAYERS ARE ALLOWED TO TAKE and the resulting stats.
Kenny Smith is using a regular season game for LeBron. So you should be making this point against Kenny. Not that it would matter, since the supposedly earth-shattering difference in hand-checking between the eras is as non-existent in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.
As for shot attempts, the main reason they shoot so many 3-pointers now is the 2000s rule change to allow zone defense. Zone is much harder to score against, forcing star players to pass more. So while total team shot attempts may go up, individual star players actually shoot less. If you put Harden and Durant in the 90s where it was illegal to stack zone defenders up against them and force them to pass, they would shoot more, score easier, and their numbers would leap up against a much simpler defense.
@@TheRiggedBALet me just quote some factual numbers to destroy your argument and show you how little zone defense is being used in recent years. Not that I needed to look it up for myself, as I CAN SEE THAT ZONES ARE RARELY USED, just looked it up to quote facts, not just my "eye test opinion":
After peaking at 3% usage during the 2009-10 season, zone was used for just 638 plays in 2017-18, 0.2% of all possessions, according to Synergy Sports data.
There goes your argument...case closed on zone defense impact in today's game....
BTW...zones were reintroduced in 2002 because of the dominance of Shaq in the paint...hand checking was removed in 2005...all offensive numbers as well as rebounds went up afterwards...your point that KD and Harden would have scored more in the 90s has no basis...do you believe the players in the 90s couldn't shoot ? You don't think it makes a difference if the defender is allowed to touch you and slide his foot under you, when you jump ? Have you ever played in any kind of league ? Come on...this is common sense...
@@thedudeunchained7583 No, that's not common sense. It's common myth. Hand-checking was removed for the entirety of the 90s, which you should know if you're on this video. And if you think zones are rarely used, then you simply don't know what zone is. Synergy Sports doesn't track the use of all zone, only zone sets where the whole team is in a set position. No one uses zone sets in the NBA. They use a floating zone that follows a particular player. This is not tracked, and is used all the time against star players.
@@TheRiggedBA here’s where I disagree: people scored in the 90s much less, so scoring more isn’t possible. In my eyes, it’d be relatively the same, so yes while their scoring would be great, it’s not going to leap when teams scored less back then due to a slower paced game
@@legendarywiimaster i/diot
All those guys are full of crap
Rip my headphones
Why do so many players lie expecially Shaq he played is a mix a different eras why he acting like it was easier to score in 2009 lol why he didn't average 30 then
I'm not saying the defense in the NBA today is so much worse than the defense in the 90s, but the "rigid enforcement" of the hand check rule put in place in 1979 was not enforced very strictly at all you just found rare clips of when it was called
It was enforced about as much as it is today.
TheRiggedBA idk about that if you go into the rule book in 1979 it says there was “rigid enforcement” of the rule but it’s in quotes for a reason. It wasn’t really enforced strictly until the ‘94 season
@@matteodandrea823
It's in quotes because it's quoting another source.
TheRiggedBA I didn’t see anything else in the rule book in quotes
TheRiggedBA ua-cam.com/video/8nBRV0TKsxo/v-deo.html
Not sure if you’ve seen this video but it goes into detail about the hand checking rule and how it wasn’t enforced
Release more videos
Please
Planning on it.
@@TheRiggedBA What do you think of the quality of today's NBA this season? Skip Bayless is borderline trying to say that the West is watered down because of LeBron's Lakers dominating the West.
@@MistahUnknown
I couldn't really say since I watch selectively little of the RiggedBA. But from the bit I've watched it looks strong. It looks like the most parity I've seen in awhile. Skip Bayless is of course the LeBron troll king, but watching the ESPN shows I've been seeing them say the West was watered down since LeBron announced he was going there. Damn near overnight. It was like:
*(Monday)* "The West is so loaded. Treacherous. LeBron dominates because the East is weak. He wouldn't survive out West."
*~LeBron signs out West~*
*(Tuesday)* "You know, I think we overrate the West. There's really only one or two good teams. They're kind of watered down."
So, I don't know.
“Release more videos”
Seriously though. he never misses.
Hey man, i think that the Warriors (even though they are a superteam) will dominate until KD leaves. Then the NBA will bring the classic Celtics vs Lakers rivalry back... If so, when do you think the Warriors' dominance will end?
Well I thought it was going to end after 2 years, which would be this year. But with the addition of Demarcus Cousins I'm not sure. Probably next year.
So, this year, i believe it is going to be the Warriors vs the Celtics in the Finals. Do you agree? If not for the Celtics, what team you think will come out of the East?
Well they're pushing the Celtics pretty hard in the media. That typically means a misdirection so they can send another team. But since the Warriors are an All-Star mismatch, they might just be pushing the Celtics to plant the seed in fans' minds that it's a good, competitive match-up that everyone should tune in to watch. You never know with Adam Silver, but I'm going with the Celts for now.
And if it is a misdirection indeed, what is that other team?
PS. I've been watching you from the start of your UA-cam channel, but just now i created mine so that i can ''talk'' to you. Truth is that you are my favourite...
@@alastortheavenger7494
Thanks!
I don't know who the team would be. Toronto maybe, if they're willing to allow that market into the Finals yet.
Check MJ’s reel against the Knicks in 1993 ECF, Game 4. He dropped 54 points by the way. He was getting hand checked vigorously by Starks and co, and those are just the highlights. Imagine the entire game.
Try to show a modern player dropping 50 against relentless hands, elbows, and body impeding their drives. You can’t. Because no one today faces that level of contact, and that’s exactly what the league wanted. 2005 citation was the last and most effective hand check rule in phasing it out of the game and softening the game.
None of the top scorers today would average 25 PPG in the bigger, stronger, more athletic, much more physical 1990s NBA.
A 50-point game being guarded by little John Starks forced by the rules to defend Jordan all alone on an island. Cool story. When MJ manages to get a 50-point playoff game with the rules allowing the defense to team up on him with zone as well as being hand-checked like LeBron did, then we can talk.
@@TheRiggedBA
Stop deflecting. We’re talking about physicality, specifically hand checking.
You can’t show me a single 50 point game from LeBron or any player today, where they facedthe level of hand checking that MJ did in that game 4 vs Knicks.
@@AirJordans2323 It's not a deflection because, no, you aren't just talking about physicality/hand-checking. You're also talking specifically about having 50-point games. But it was much easier for Jordan to get 50-point games because he was going against a weaker defense limited by the rules that modern players don't have. But if we're just talking about hand-checking, that would be easy since every player gets hand-checked. As far as that goes, the challenge isn't showing a modern player facing hand-checking like Starks did Jordan. It would be more of a challenge showing Jordan ever facing hand-checking from Starks as rough and violent as Draymond and the Warriors hand-checked LeBron(10:45).
@@TheRiggedBA
50 point games AGAINST hand checking. You’re deflecting because you can’t find a modern example. You posted 4 LeBron clips and only two of them have real hand checking.
Point proven. If that’s all you can muster, then you for damn sure can’t show a 40 or 50 point game from any player today who faced the level of hand checking that Jordan faced vs the Knicks. Again, 2005 was the last and final citation in NBA’s history because it succeeded in removing physical defense and making perimeter D non-existent. Already proven fact.
@@AirJordans2323 Every player gets hand-checked, so that it's against hand-checking is a given. I've already shown you a modern example of hand-checking. Those "4" LeBron clips(there are a lot more than 4) showed rougher hand-checking than anything you've shown Starks doing to Jordan. Here is Jordan's 54-point game: ua-cam.com/video/b689My8YJZQ/v-deo.html
Please give time stamps for when, in your mind, Starks is hand-checking Jordan rougher than Draymond and the Warriors were hand-checking LeBron.
I agree with some of your points but you use nba finals clips to highlight handchecking in today's era so dooh. I've watched a lot of games this season and handchecking is very little compared to those clips. And you can't deny the badboy era when piston got away with bodyslamming people left and right. Today players can't even argue with referees or commit hard fouls without being suspended. And I miss a lot of in your face dunks in the 90s. There was a lot more testosterone in the air. And the rivalry was way more intense and genuine back then.
Also so many foul calls and FTs now in a game compared to the 90s. A few punches cost today's player ejection, to suspension and fine. In 90s they got ejected but that's it. So many restrictions nowadays. And big men were more fun to watch back then because they bulldoze people around like Shaq or have great post moves like Hakeem. IMO 90s are way better compared to today's NBA
There were actually more fouls called per game back in the 80s and 90s than in the 2000s. People either forget or didn't actually watch back then to see how many touch fouls were called. But this is a follow-up video about hand checking. For the Bad Boy Pistons, fighting, etc., see the original video about physicality here: ua-cam.com/video/qPBz3_Jgd-U/v-deo.html
Handchecking Doesn't matters
Im not a nba Fan anymore, but If i see this right from your vids.... that they won’t to be lebron better to be as Jordan.... they want lebron lesser rings that mike at his career end?
It was a reason they changed the rules, the shit was absolutely boring & they were losing viewers ..
they never got rid of handchecking in 1979 lol
You might've skipped past the first 20 seconds of the video
Hand check might’ve been banned, but it wasn’t enforced like it is now. It was still called, but it took way more contact. It’s very rare to see guys use both hands and get away with it like they did back then.
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I agree with you on some things but this is not one of them. You picked and chose which videos to put up in your argument. You even tried to use plays where full court pressure wasn't even needed as your reference. I'm sure there were more clips to choose from, but you're reaching...
Firstly, full court presses are not the norm. That's part of the point being made. Back then, defenders often didn't even engage you until you were below the 3-point line. But secondly, you seem to be applying a double standard for some reason. You ignore that Kenny Smith is the one who originally used plays where there was no full court pressure, but require that I, *in response*, show full court pressure. Why you're doing that, I don't know.
@@TheRiggedBA read my comment again... Then respond accordingly. You tried to expose lack of pressure in a full court play that did not require pressure at all, in your argument. Here is where you are lost; Kenny did use a half court play to show lack of physicality of today's NBA. YOU used multiple plays, of yestergen, that started on the other end of the court, where there was no defensive pressure being applied because it was unnecessary. Then you reply, telling me about how defense was played back then, destroying your argument in the clips you used in the beginning of your video... Read my comment again, and next time watch your own video... I was not using a double standard. In fact, I stated that there were other clips that could've supported your argument, rather than using clips that a play began from inbound after the opposition scored... smh.
@@JusSick24
You may need to watch that again. Kenny used a clip of a player bringing the ball up the court without being pressed. His clip starts with the ballhandler in the backcourt. Kenny and Shaq then say that in his era there's no way you could bring the ball up without being pressured. Do you know what "bring the ball up" means? It means taking an in-bounds pass in the backcourt and advancing the ball up to the frontcourt. So that is what I showed: Kenny bringing the ball up.
@@TheRiggedBA they started the clip at a half court setting... Kenny said that you could bring the ball up and nobody would touch you. You were not responding to his clip, you were responding to his words... got it.
@@JusSick24
The ballhandler is actually in the backcourt when the clip starts. Kenny just freezes it when the player enters the halfcourt. But yes, I was responding to their words.
Is it my idea or is this show moving radically towards a revisionist narrative accompanied by an extreme kind of defense of "their" era by acting like moronic trolls and humiliating people who happen to respect the current era/players? Shame because I remember them as a refreshing show compared to these trolls hired to play journalist by ESPN who I swear one day will have a stroke when someone isn't glossing over Jordan for the entirety of their show. I think they even defended LeBron and other unjustifyingly harassed players from time to time because the commited the crime of going against th MJ prop. A lot of time has passed since I last saw Inside, but that was the vibe I was getting when it was on.
It's not just you. I've noticed the same thing. I don't know if it was gradual because I only watch the show every so often, but they've changed a lot. Barkley seems almost schizophrenic the way he completely contradicts his previous positions just to bash modern players.And when it comes to Jordan and LeBron, it's funny. Barkley said LeBron was Jordan but bigger, stronger and faster. Basically suggesting LeBron was better than Jordan. Now he says he'll slap anyone who says LeBron is comparable to Jordan.
Look at both highlights though, the Lane in the older one is far more congested leading to more physicality in the paint. The newer clip shows the Lane wide open.
Which highlights are you talking about?
@@TheRiggedBA look at 1:19 and 2:07 respectively
@@TheRiggedBA also, look how aggressive and physical the defense is throughout this highlight video.
@@MoetChandonHollywoodlifestyles Yeah, they played more in the post back then. But the paint is open in the modern clip because no one is attempting to enter it. Since defenders can now play zone, if LeBron were to attempt to drive, 3 or 4 guys can leave their assigned man and collapse into or around the paint at any time.
@@TheRiggedBA Good point
The difference in hand checking *enforcement* from then to now is literally night and day.
Watch the 1993 ECF Game 4 for example. There was hand checking literally all game despite 1-2 foul calls, not a few hand selected plays. Straight arm at the top of the circle, changing a ball handler’s direction when he drives. There’s not a single game today I’ve ever seen where they hand check nearly as much as they did in that game.
Hand-checking happens every game both old school and modern, so I'm not in the habit of counting the number of hand-checks that occur in a particular match and committing it to memory. But I just looked at a few minutes of your Game 4 of the 1993 Finals, then looked at a few minutes of Game 6 of the 2017 Wizards/Celtics series. They're not only hand-checking non-stop in the 2017 series, but the hand-checking is notably rougher also. It would be hard to enforce the rule any less.
But as I pointed out to you before, first the claim was that in Jordan's era "hand checking was legal". Then when that was proven to be a false myth, the claim suddenly switched to "well, it was illegal, but it wasn't enforced". Then when you show it being enforced, the claim switches to "well, it was enforced...but not as much". I suppose one can just keep switching to vaguer and vaguer hand-check claims until it it's so vague that it's meaningless and can't be proven or disproven. But the simple fact remains that hand-checking was illegal for the entirety of Michael Jordan's career and it was provably enforced against his defenders.
@@TheRiggedBA
I said the Eastern Conference Finals. I went through the entirety of both games. There was more hand checking in the Bulls-Knicks example I gave you. There was less in the that 2017 game and it was also called a decent amount more.
@@casualfootballfan8975 Ah, ECF. My mistake. The same answer applies, though.
@@TheRiggedBA
[“…vaguer and vaguer hand check claims until it’s so vague that it’s meaningless and can’t be proven or disproven.”]
Wrong. Hand checking was basically never enforced pre-2000s. This is why they kept writing citation after citation to get it under control. It wasn’t until 2005 that the league finally managed to make it disappear. And the results: higher scoring, higher efficiency, more 20+ PPG single season scorers than ever, and not a SINGLE citation passed since that year. No coincidence.
There has never been a bigger scoring increase from year to year (when adjusting for pace) than the jump from 2004 to 2005.
Hand check is dead and modern perimeter defense is non-existent. Already proven fact.
@@AirJordans2323
["Wrong. Hand checking was basically never enforced pre-2000s."]
Nonsense. And since you're on a video that actually shows and proves that it's nonsense, I have to wonder if you actually believe the nonsense you just said.
["This is why they kept writing citation after citation to get it under control. It wasn’t until 2005 that the league finally managed to make it disappear. "]
It wasn't until anything, because hand-checking never disappeared. But to explain this again, a citation doesn't mean the rule wasn't being enforced for all the years before the citation. NBA citations are sometimes based on single events. The 2005 citation was made specifically because of the 2004 Finals. The citation is because the NBA didn't like it's enforcement level in that one particular series, not because hand-checking wasn't enforced before that series. You can literally see the hand-check rule being enforced in Jordan games in the 90s. Just as you can literally see LeBron and modern players still getting hand-checked today.
Show Gary Payton guarding Jordan, not these chumps raising their hands. That style of defense isn't permissible in today's league, but it was iconic of the physicality we remember. Furthermore, there was tons of physicality off the ball as well, much of which was just part of the game but remains largely unseen.
Jordan tried to post Payton up 95% of the time. That "physicality" was just normal jostling for post position, which is permissible today. Of course, no one today would try Jordan's 90s style offense of dropping into the post every possession, because it would no longer work against a modern defense. A defense today would only allow it a couple times, then they'd just have a zone defender front Jordan in the post and completely wipe that play out.
@@TheRiggedBA stop replying to these fools lol it's amazing how this lie has went global I got 15 year olds telling me the 90s was physical
Hand checking enforcement was lax until 2004-05. It still wasn’t a true hand check rule. If it was enforced all the time then why is there constant mentions of hand checking in the rule book after 1979?
There would be no need for this if it was enforced as much as they intended. And it doesn’t appear in the rule book again since then. This tells me that they finally got it under control.
That's a common misunderstanding. Multiple citations doesn't mean a rule wasn't enforced. As was the case with hand-checking, sometimes the NBA re-emphasizes it's rules based on a single high-profile event. The 2005 citation for example was in response to the very last games of the 2004 season, the 2004 Finals. So just because you see two hand-check citation years apart, it doesn't mean they didn't enforce hand-checking between all those years. It may mean the league was just unhappy with it's enforcement in one particular series recently.
What the hell is a *"true hand check rule"* ? 🤣🤣😆😆
@@TheRiggedBA
Well, do you have a source?
@@3ball469 Owner Mark Cuban said he got the NBA to make the citation because of the Pistons' defense in the 2004 Finals:
"After the [2004]finals, I sat down with the league and discussed with them the difference between player and team advantage. The discussion lead to changing the rules so that perimeter contact was called far more often."
@@TheRiggedBA i/diot
i play against skill player that hand check and i play against who don't it easy score when they don't hand check next time you play if against a skill player tell him or her to hand check the whole game then the next game nba rules watch how much easy it is for you score when they don't hand check you be able to get more space to jump shot or beat him off dribble it does not matter if the player is fast or slow because take spacing away and you would have to work harder to beat him or her off the dribble everybody on here just try i bet you will have more energy more shot go in when they don't hand check compare to when the do hand check and then maybe just maybe see what they are talking about i know for fact with out doubt james harden would not get away with the step back with hand checking
The issue isn't whether hand checking is harder to score against than no hand checking. The issue is whether hand checking was legal in the 80s and 90s. And the answer is no.
@@TheRiggedBA it was legal
@@lornhartave
I guess you didn't watch the video.
Today's NBA still sucks in my opinion.
Its only...Because of too political, nothing more
Newsflash: Luca Doncic fined $10k for kicking the ball and Draymond Green got ejected in Warriors Clippers game for hanging on to the rim.
What a joke, soft NBA has become. John Stark kicked the ball in 1993 playoff and got no call. Shawn Kemp hung on the rim all the time and got no call. Nowadays a little trash talking get you a foul call. Soft soft NBA 2019
It is obvious that you are being selective of what you want to see, hear, and believe.
Anyone can play that game. I got next!
There's no kicking in basketball so Doncic being fined for that is understandable.
The commentators agreed with the ref's decision.
ua-cam.com/video/yDCnEpq2W68/v-deo.html
Pacers' Chuck Person kicks ball into crowd - ejected vs Bulls (1991)
ua-cam.com/video/3rl3G34VLYw/v-deo.html
Songaila Technical for hanging on rim after dunk, 2004
ua-cam.com/video/oZYiY_kx8jU/v-deo.html
Commentators say "That should be a technical foul" for Horry hanging on Rim:
ua-cam.com/video/FADGHVlwJwM/v-deo.html
LeBron James blocks Stephen Curry and trash talks him with no technical fouls given
ua-cam.com/video/py0-l1M_870/v-deo.html
Kevin Garnett "SHIT OUTTA HERE NIGGA" and does not get called by the ref.
ua-cam.com/video/e7AAD5Sx2jw/v-deo.html
Based on these video evidence I've provided above, and according to your words, the NBA has been soft for a very long time. Yes, this includes the 90's. So, pick one. Is it, the NBA was always hard or was the NBA always soft?
Nostalgia is a helluva drug.
@@MistahUnknown if you really wanna play that "selective video" angle just watch James Harden last night against Knicks. 25 free throw attempts... 25 fucking FTA! That's like career high for some benchwarmer players! Ref just gave the game to him. That game screamed how NBA is fucking soft nowadays. It's disgusting to watch. So many soft calls and so many players were afraid to get physical with him around the perimeter
BTW he scored 61. 22 of them were from free throws. Thanks, refs!
@@bhend9229 This "Selective video" angle was yours to begin with. Not mine. I'm just calling you out on your inconsistencies thru the use of video footage from then.
If you want to bring up Harden's 61 point game, I could bring up Jordan's 63 point game from the 1986 playoffs series against the Celtics where he attempted 21 free throws and say "that game screamed how NBA is fucking soft those days".
You need to watch a video uploaded by TheRiggedBA titled "Could Today's Stars Survive The Old School NBA?" where he shows real life video evidence on what it was really like in the 80's and 90's. If that video shows you that players were getting the same calls as today, that would tell you that it was soft back then.
@@MistahUnknown yep Jordan got into FT 21 times on that game. The thing is I watched that game live on TV. Unlike Harden who flopped his way out for his 61 and shooting a lot of 3s, Jordan attacked the basket and wasn't afraid for any contact. Shooting a lot of 3s was not the norm back then. I remember how exciting it was to watch him shredding the defense back in that game. Harden 61 was not exciting at all and full of flops. And yeah I watch the rest of theriggedba videos. Some points I agree some points I disagree
Lol you’re not picking specific plays where you can find clips to support your argument
Meanwhile since the rules have changed to help the offense
Scoring has gone up
Conversion on so many levels up
Turnovers down
All this with stars playing less and less
We are currently in the SOFTEST
EASIEST ERA to score EVER
It can’t even be debated
Kids making videos on UA-cam with single clips
Anyone can make a video of ANY GAME ANY NIGHT in this league of shitty D & traveling never called
Do a video on the
If the claims this video is debunking were true, I wouldn't be able to find clips to support my argument because they wouldn't exist. If hand-checking was legal as you "physicality" people always claim, then there would be no instances of it being called as an illegal act. The reason these clips exist is because the claim is bullshit, as are most of the claims you guys make.
@@TheRiggedBA you can find clips from any era of people laying off in a regular season game
You think guys hand checked & picked up at half court in a game in January?
or December? lets be serious.
There was wayyyy more physicality
a lot let go
dirty plays not addressed
But is Sacramento v the Celtics is what you want to hold Kenny on
go ahead
wondering if you covered the other years
or just looking for clips?
If it's clips i can find clips today of guys playing absolutely zero defense
none in games
giving wide open layups
@@SeecretWeapon It doesn't actually matter anyway, because 90s defenses didn't hand-check people fullcourt all game in either the regular season or playoffs. That's just a fantasy old school NBA revisionists have. But you're misdirecting your attack toward the wrong person. KENNY SMITH is who used a regular season game to make his bogus hand-checking argument. Everything you said should be aimed at *his* clips. I only used a regular season game because that's what the person I was responding to did. So you should direct these complaints to Kenny.
This video is garbage. So you cherry picked old videos of Kenny Smith playing regular season then new videos of Curry and LeBron during playoffs and finals? Well dooh everyone is physical on those series they go hard or they go home. This applies every year 80s 90s 2000s whenever. If you want to be fair, also pick clips from 2018s regular season games.
Why don't you show how soft the game is now that James Harden can exploit the rules every night out with higher frequency to go to FT line? How about now that you can't trash talk without risking a foul? It's also about mental game not just physical. How you have to have thick skin and not get anything to you. I remember how Shawn Kemp taunted the posterized victims after dunking on them. Or how Jordan can talk shit straight to their face after and-1. How about when Dennis Rodman knee kicked a Bulls player and got away with it. Or how John Stark can kick the ball to the crowd and not getting a foul call. Shit there's so much beef and fights between Alonzo morning and Larry Johnson during Heat Knicks era that every single game they play seemed like a physical-game warzone. You can't do most of those without getting called for foul or paying a hefty fine or being suspended.
Um, Kenny Smith cherry picked a video of LEBRON playing a regular season game. That's why I showed Kenny Smith playing a regular season game. But it's funny; I actually made a sequence of Kenny Smith in a playoff game too just to kill that excuse before it started. Since I know you guys always make excuses for why things are never as tough as you lie about it being. But I cut that part out for purposes of video length, so now the excuse came as expected. Oh well.
As for the rest of what you're talking about, see: ua-cam.com/video/qPBz3_Jgd-U/v-deo.htmlm14s
@@TheRiggedBA not surprised. Most of those clips were during playoff series when everyone is very physical dooh. Another cherry picked clips. The only major exception is dreymond green which is the few old school defender in today's era. You should read nytimes article called PRO Basketball; N.B.A. Rules Aim to Open Up Offenses on Sept 22 1997. One of the changes was "A defender will not be allowed to use his forearm to impede the progress of player who is facing the basket in the frontcourt". So... Softnening up the defense to allow more scoring? Even Thorn at the end said that those low scoring "were some exciting games" I really doubt you actually watched any 90s games from start to finish. The differences are night and day
@@bhend9229
Those hand check fouls the video shows being called in the 80s and 90s are mostly from the playoffs as well. So that they still were calling hand check fouls in the 80s and 90s playoffs where things were at their most physical only hurts your argument more.
@@TheRiggedBA Hal15Greer has some full-length 2hr-ish non-playoff NBA games from 70s to 90s . Feel free to check them out. Hand checking is pretty normal in regular games. There are more full length non playoff 90s games scattered around UA-cam. I was lucky enough to watch them live in 90s and some from NBA classic
@@bhend9229 hand checking can also be seen in today's games but I guess you're not really watching NBA
And kenny smith says my personal nemesis he behaves like he was superstar player, he was just a role player bench player a monkey on the wagon, and Dwight Howard told him well Steph Curry is better player than Michael Jordan Offensively which is completely true, but kenny being kenny continues denying the truth and he knows it