Is 250 mW ELRS enough for you, or do you need more? The Zorro's ELRS radio has maximum 250 mW output power. Jumper has announced they are going to release a version of the T-Pro with 1 watt ERLS inside! My opinion is 250 mW is more than enough for most people, but obviously more is better especially if you're using EP2 receviers with ceramic antennas.
Plenty for me, I’m not a fly miles out kind of guy though. I’m either flying around my house or in a couple acre park. Biggest thing for me is overall feeling/responsiveness. That would be the deciding factor for me to switch over to ELRS from Crossfire…
@@RCRitterFPV Ceramic antenna has roughly half the range of the UFL antenna. I say "roughly" because it depends heavily on how it's mounted in the frame.
I went with T-Pro 1w when it popped up at RDQ the other day. I hated removing and installing two modules on my TX16S so now I can just leave crossfire installed all the time and have The TPro as dedicated ELRS radio . I hope I don't end up regretting the T-Pro too badly because the Zorro looks really nice. Time will tell. Thanks for all the great content on these RCs.
The infographics you added recently are a nice touch - I think that will be helpful for people newer to the hobby who might otherwise not know the jargon. Nice work with those!
I actually found them distracting, because I couldn't read them and listen to JB at the same time. but maybe that's just because I'm not an english navite speaker
Agreed, I felt the videos already were on a high level with detailed but not overburdened explanations and the very useful description linking to a vast library of content. But those infographics add another layer of information I didn't know I missed.
i get my hands into drone every other year. its not by accident that i come back to Bardwell's channel. dude is honest, no agenda, and does a helluva good job. i just got the DJI FPV drone. now that i have some goggles, i am looking into building a drone using the DJI O3 system, but need a radio. i like both of these, leaning towards the T-PRo thanks Josh
I agree with this. There are a greater number of different external ELRS modules currently available, and there will be more to come. Locking yourself in to an internal ELRS module doesn't make sense, especially considering you can't put a different antenna on it. An external module gives you much more freedom and configurability. Yes, I understand that 250mw is all you might need, but what if you "want" something more powerful in the future? You'll end up buying an external ELRS module anyway. So if giving yourself the widest range of options is important to you, then yes the 4-in-1 version is the most sensible option. That way you can put anything you want on the back of the radio. If however you already have a bunch of aircraft, with a specific flavour of control receiver installed, then pick whatever version has the internal module that works with those receivers. If none of the internal module options works with your current gear (in my case Crossfire) then the best solution is to buy the cheapest CC2500 version, and get a crossfire (or whatever control link you have, tracer/ghost etc) module for the back.
100% agreed! Not only there are many B&F whoops that don't need the crazy range, but also there more to RC than drones only and a dual system will allow to use the same radio for fixed wings as well.
That's exactly why I just said screw it & went all in on a TX16S Max. More options makes it easier to fly multiple protocols and ELRS combo packs aren't crazy spendy.
I learned expressLRS today by combining watching your videos and captian drone vids, but mostly yours, i flashed and fly my first drone today. Thanks for ur continuing tutorial. I might contribute to your patreon soon as well to help support you in your endeavours.😊😊 Drone: Cinelog 35 v2, O3 system Controller: Jumper T pro v2 ELRS Goggles: DJI goggles 2
20:30 SOoooo true!!! I got in the hobby with R-XSR receivers and OMG what a learning curve it was, finding compatible RX and TX firmwares to be able to establish connection! Converting to ExpressLRS, yes, you have many options to choose from in the configurator but it works even with the defaults and you only need to set your "binding frase" and you are good to go!
The Zorro with 4-in-1 module has me seriously reconsidering if I need a full-size radio like an x9d+ for TX16S. I fly DIY foamboard fixed wings, RTF/BNF parkfliers, tiny whoops, 2" quad, 5" quad.... it would save a lot of room in the backpack!!!
I have little interest in buying either of these controllers, but I just enjoy watching you review products. It's nice to see you bring up little problems and I feel there is plenty of sincerity and honesty in each review. Keep it up , keep evolving...err but not too much ;o)
I was THAT GUY that started off with a Frsky xlite and RXSR it was an absolute nightmare of a struggle to get it to work as a newbie and almost made me rage quit the hobby. New folks to the hobby please please please listen to Joshua and start out with a Radiomaster using ELRS, Crossfire, or Tracer. My frsky setup took weeks of headaches and a huge learning curve to get working. Once I ordered a Radiomaster tx16s and a Crossfire starter kit it took 10min to setup 2 drones and and worked flawlessly, handsdown the best decision I've ever made in the hobby.
From a guy who glazed over at the ELRS videos,... When I actually did the flashing and set up, it was pretty easy and once you do it once, setting up future devices is easier than anything!!
My question is how many " Reveiwers " knew the Zorro was just around the corner " when they were praising the T-Pro ? ....For someone new , THIS has helped me distinquish between the TEACHERS and the sellers !!!
We all knew the Zorro was coming. You can't hold a review of a new product for a month or more on the potential that a later product might be better, especially these days when a promised product might be delayed by months.
Today is a Zorro day. I saw most of others fpv channels review. You JB has come probably in the end, but your review is so different so you can count as first! For me the best! Cheers!
After all of my research...I would get the 4in1 version + Happymodel ES24Tx Slim Pro ELRS module + Vapcell F14 1400mah batteries. That is the best I would guess ~4hrs battery on ELRS with this setup (internal ELRS has power issues on Zorro). Up to 1w if needed, and the most battery life without modifications. If you want more battery life, then go 18500 batteries 2000mah and modify the Zorro to fit them. Or 18650 but then you might have to modify the gimbles slighty to fit them. Or external battery pack if you want even more. 4in1 gives you capability to fly all kinds of models in the future if you ever buy them.
I'm still using my Frsky Taranis X9 Plus ACCST and XM Plus RX's. Not flashing in long time. P.S. The Express LRS in the Zorro is not the 1 watt version. I think it's the 250mw. You should get the Zorro 4 in 1 and add a Express LRS 1 watt module. This gives you option down the road.
well, you just sold me on the zorro with the ELRS kit, I've flashed and rooted many things, I will use you link , thank you, I've watched both and this is the radio for me! thanks again
Naming conventions madness, the Crossfire "Lite" module is actually the one that goes intro the JR module bay (the box-style hole), whereas the Crossfire "Nano" is the one that goes into the "Lite" module bay (sliding into the pins)
The 4-in-1 seems like the best choice to me. But I'm going in knowing, I'm going to be buying a module for ELRS. Having that 4 in 1 can just be so versatile with whoops. Just saying you might want to try RedPine. And 250 is probably more than most people need. But it's nice to know that if you outgrow the 250. the extra power is there. I think a $150 to $160 ish a great price to have the best of everything
It's so cool that you can buy a tlite, a t pro, a zorro, and a tx12 , for less than the cost of like a dx9 10 years ago... radios have gotten so inexpensive.. yet they are better.. that don't happen often for us consumers
The t-pro has all the momentary buttons accross the top . After radiomaster attached it to the tv set on top sticking out they had to stick those buttons all over the back and in different places and left out the leds to save battery for a second weak flight . Thats a good save .
I absolutely love my Zorro, such a great radio. The only issue I ever had was the random "telemetry lost" "telemetry recovered" during flight (even while fully retaining control link still), but after updating EdgeTX that issue was completely gone. The battery life has not been an issue for me, even once I run through all my packs it still has plenty of battery life left. I found turning off the screen backlight and setting the transmission power to dynamic 250mW improves it quite a lot.
Once again I learnt something today, thatnks again Joshua. I have the radiomaster t16s and love it, took a bit of time to learn after having a spektrum m but once I got used to it I absolutely love it. The only thing I’m not that fond of is how big it is, takes a bit of getting used to as far as finger and hand placement ,so a smaller game controller type would be great. Definitely thinking about that smaller radiomaster as I like the size and the bigger screen, most likely with the crossfire, although that express lrs unit looks very tempting.
Great video JB. I really like how you broke down the difference between each "Zorro package" Both the Zorro and Jumper TPro have good and bad. I think of anyone is looking at either, and hasn't decided should wait for the Commando 8 review. However, I truly believe it'll be between these 2 radios. I think iflight will end up pricing themselves out of the game. Just my humble opinion. All the newbies, definitely listen. Get the Elrs version or the crossfire version. You won't be disappointed by skipping over FrSky. I know this first hand...alot of us do. 😁
Jumper has put themselves out of the running because of low quality! I won't ever buy another Jumper product - it's the lowest end product with Eachine, in the FPV hobby! J U N K ! ;)
@@KOrnhOliO1 I can't disagree with you on that. I owned a Jumper T18 before my tx16s. Though they are the same "style" radio, I was very unhappy with the quality of the Jumper. I sold it a few weeks after buying and bought the tx16s and haven't looked back since. If I finally decide to go with elrs, (currently use crossfire), I will most likely keep my tx16s as is and go with a Zorro. I like the button layout so much better than the Jumper and frankly, personally, don't trust buying another Jumper radio product. The T pro may be an excellent radio for someone, not me personally...lol...or you. Hahaha. But someone getting into this hobby may like features that the t pro offers...that is if it works properly. Lol
@@ericboff7273 I picked up a Jumper T18 Pro V2, they replaced the 5in1 with a 4in1 and made the touch work but when I had some issues I visited their website just to find Jumper hasn't finished building the website nor do they provide any support or spare parts, reply to support emails doesn't happen. My advice to reviewers is to check on the manufactures service and support then talk about it, a product without support is a pet rock waiting to collect dust!
Reduce the display size a lot so that it doesn't take so much space, replace switches with push buttons, then it'd be perfect (for me personally). Out of all the 3 new radios the iFlight looks the one that might fit the bill. Basically really just want Tango 2 form factor ish (not much larger like the RadioMaster due to the display sticking out and taking more space), with similar (push) buttons, ELRS builtin...
Albert Kim, I think it was him I've been watching so many reviews on this today, noted that the menu scroll wheel was a true cylinder rather than the conical shaped ones of the Tango 2 & Jumper T Pro - that in itself is a reason for me to go for the Zorro, my order is being placed tonight :)
@@sadboybushido With a conical shaped dial it's variable how much you have to roll your thumb over it to get to the next notch, with a cylinder shape it doesn't matter where you place your thumb, it always moves the same distance for each notch, which is easier to get used to.
I guess I’ll have to see how it feels in my hands compared to my Tango 2, may not make much sense to switch otherwise. I’m fine with using a module for ELRS.
I'm gonna buy the Zorro, it's the best for what I need I just hope the ergonomics fit me well as a thumb flyer. Now that cnc gimbals are available for it theres no other tx that compares. just wish it was more expensive, i could deal with a higher price for better build quality
While people praise the informative overlays, I have to admit I really enjoy the handwritten notes on your little notebook. It could be a nice touch to present the now overlaid information in a hand written form. :) Would suit your authentic style!
I really love your videos... and I think you shoud not taake the little pauses from the videos when you edit them... I think the pauses are important for many reasons, such as give people a little time to think about what you've just said. Thank you very much for your work... 😘
Metal gimbals for the Zorro would be amazing. I find full size radios to be too large in my hands, but the gimbals available on the smaller radios leave a lot to be desired.
@@divingfalconfpv4602 My experience is the same on a QX7S. If you thumb it might be worth trying out the 'Grand Lotus' stick ends from FrSky, or one of the other variants they sell. The increased size of the thumb grip area gave me a bit more reach. Not much you can do if you're pinching though.
Just starting fpv have the djifpv. But want to fly fpv 4 or 5 inch. I need an RC. ANY ADVICE. I don’t want garbage but dont have alot of money. Fixed income. Lolol. Thanks josh. In advance. Ur the best pilot I’ve ever seen. Thanks man.
My user experience with Crossfire has NOT been pleasant. I think binding worked like it's supposed to maybe 2 times (out of like 15). Every other time, something has gone wrong and it has been a major headache. Of course, everyone will say "you're doing something wrong" and maybe I am, but I'm not a noob and I'm still having problems. Also, flashing the tango has been an absolute NIGHTMARE every single time I've done it. I've gotten to the point where I just will not flash the tango ever again. I'm boarding the ExpressLRS train as we speak! But anyway, great review Joshua! Lots of useful information!
Did you have a problem with frsky? If you struggled with frsky, then crossfire will usually be a breeze. I haven't had any issues with crossfire, they always bind right away. I do sometimes forget how to re-bind an old xr and I'll have to watch the vid for the button sequence but for the most part my experience has been pleasant.
Not really sure why the screen sticks out so much over the top. Its missing the point of a gamestyle controller when its larger than some box radios. Seems like it would be more compact in between the gimbals or grips. other than that, seems like a solid transmitter.
What box radio is this Zorro bigger than? Come on! LOL heehee! That bigger screen is soooo nice! Plus, the look and quality looks so much better and more "high end" than the cheap looking Jumper radios. I know the quality is better than Jumper, that's for sure!
Fascistic! I was leaning towards the Radiomaster until I watched this. Always love your style, pacing, professional delivery, humor and information. You're a gifted communicator. I can't believe you only have 250k subs, especially considering that you're the undisputed top source for quad content. I guess your audience is just too small. You really could step up to some mainstream topic where you can get into that Gold plaque+ category.
I think the JP4IN1 and adding an external long range module would be the most versatile option. I wouldn’t want a one trick pony. If you only do ELRS or Crossfire then your choice is obvious. I was wondering what CC2500 was. Does the JP4IN1 do CC2500?
CC2500 covers FrSky which is far more popular than FlySky and Spektrum, and lowers cost. The $20 between the 4-in-1 and the CC2500 radio is basically all eat up by the extra RF chips.
With the 4 in 1 your controller works with a wide range of ground vehicles, planes, helis, boats, and other hobby vehicles. If you even think you might get into anything other than FPV quads, I wouldn't stick yourself with a cc2500 only to regret it later.
Im flying the Zorro exclusively now. My biggest gripes are short battery life and the fact that they have separate usb ports for charging and pc sims. Because with the Tango 2 its the same port and this was great because at night if I wanted to fly a sim for a few hours, it would also be charging the radio so I would be ready to go the next day. Now I have to make sure I either charge EVERY night or have a spare 2s battery on me. Really bad choice there. Otherwise its great, especially with the new AG01 all metal gimbals.
Yo I'm new to fpv. Havnt even flown yet, still waiting on parts in the mail. So flight time seems to be really short with these thing, is it possible to wire multiple batteries to your drone to increase flight time? I know this will make it substantially heavier and change how it flies... but like I said I'm new, I won't be doing anything crazy.. I just want to learn to fly in more than just 15minute intervals lol Maybe you suggest I don't do this tho becuase i will be getting accustomed to flying wrong and how am I supposed to really use the range this thing supposedly has, if my battery dies before I ever get there?
Great, well structured and informative video. What would have been useful would be to explain which modes of use this radio is certified for FCC or CE use. I think think at the time of writing this is a small subset of the functionality you have covered. For example. ELRS is illegal above 10mW in the EU.
Reasonable review. I do however feel the section covering Zorro's protocol options was poorly done. (from 15:25) An important differentiator between protocols and Rx's is the ability to provide telemetry. This can be very useful for keeping a running GPS flight log, should your quad go down and need rescuing. (as well as providing a recording of other data) The crossfire option was compared as if it was just another 2.4 GHz spectrum option. It's a 900 MHz option. Also ELRS internal module is a 2.4 GHz option with 250mW power. External modules offer up to 1 W, and there are also 900 MHz options for ELRS. The comparisons made between Crossfire and ELRS amounted to Rx pricing. Not really focused on the Radiomaster product itself. Bother ELRS and Crossfire offer telemetry. There could be good justification in having both. ELRS on 2.4 GHz and Crossfire on 900 MHz. Much really depends on if a potential Radiomaster Zorro customer is new to the hobby, or has existing equipment. This would make for a good follow-on video, or livestream discussion. Example: Expect even a 900 MHz R9M-lite external module could be used. (which could be refreshed with ELRS). So many possibilities and options. A truly open protocol and open software offering. :) I do agree with you, JB (@ 20:00) that new pilots should consider ELRS (2.4 GHz) as their first protocol and Tx/Rx setup. More that many suppliers of BNF quads are now offering ELRS options. This wasn't the case 12-18 months ago. As a beginner having telemetry to radio to verify quad operation on plugging in the battery can be very useful. Less complicated the checking OSD in goggles. (battery voltage, etc). For those needing 4-in-1 support in future, there are reasonable priced modules readily available. Decision what option to purchase becomes when vs either/or.
It's always a challenge to put in enough information to be useful, but not too much that isn't directly relevant to the video. I have a whole 20+ minute video about choosing between control protocols, so the topic could have gone on forever and then most people wouldn't watch it. All of the available modules support telemetry. So it's not a differentiator between these radios and doesn't need to be mentioned when making a buying decision. Likewise 900 vs 2.4: both give far more range than 99% of pilots will ever need, so for a beginner just starting out its not the primary differentiator.
Looks like I'll be selling a T16+Crossfire module sometime this year, my Zorro order is in :) Had to order it from Banggood because it was sold out in the UK, not in any particular hurry so no worries. Went for the 4in1 + Crossfire version, I may buy an ELRS module in the future.
Thanks, Josh. I ordered my Zorro about a month ago. It's my first one. I'm really excited to get my hands on it and was really looking forward to hear what you had to say about it. It's only a few days away now! I can't wait.
I'm new to drones. I've been using HPI cars back in the days, but I want to get into Cinematic FPV drones. However, I need to get started somewhere and found out that I do need to learn how to fly first. And therefore I've been looking at controllers. Everything drone related seems to be really expensive, so I need to do some climbing. However, a good controller is needed in any case and I first looked at the FrSky ones. After seeing your video about FrSky taking an Apple turn, I figured I didn't want any of that. So, here I am, looking at the RadioMaster Zorro Radio ELRS Starter Set 16ch instead. And it looks very good. I have no issues with messing around with firmware and such, so that's no hinder for me at least. And since the RM Zorro supports use for simulators, that's probably the one I'm going for. I can't be crashing all the new drones, so the simulator is a really good alternative. So, thank you very much for this video that made me make up my mind. Still can't afford the thing, but hopefully, one day, I will, and I can open the door to go and explore the birds view of the world.
I have no intention of using any of the internal radio options because I already fly crossfire using a V2 module in my Radiomaster TX16S. So I've bought the cheapest CC2500 version, as well as a retrofit kit you can buy (for only $10) to transfer the internal electronics from the bigger JR bay module, into a "lite" or what TBS call the Nano TX module casing.
Just curious ... You already have THE BEST radio - The TX16S - so why would you need another? I don't get why people own multiple radios. I've had a QX7 with upgraded Hall gimbals since I started in this hobby in 2016, and it's been awesome! Thanks!
@@KOrnhOliO1 My TX16S is indeed the best radio I've ever owned. It's perfect for flying sessions when I have the ability to take my bigger bag with all my gear in. I intend to use this Zorro radio for when I don't have enough space for my big bag in my car, or if we're going on a family trip to the country and I want something more compact to fit in a smaller backpack, along with supplies, but still want to do some FPV.
Great video appt of good advice, I am getting a buddy of mines into FPV and I recommended ELRS but didn't know what radio to recommend and you make my decisions a little easier... I have him my old X Lite but I want to recommend something newer up to date... Thank you...
Got a Jumper T16 Pro (with the integrated 4-in-1). Love it. It has developed the ribbon cable plague. I was able to repair everything but the right finger slider, whose connector broke internally. I don't use the finger sliders though. Been considering a small gamepad style radio for throwing in the bag alongside a little sub250g quad. Debating between whether I want to get the Zorro in 4-in-1 built in, and upgrade with modules (Crossfire or ELRS), or get the Zorro in ELRS, then buy a 4-in-1 module (TBS MPM?). Or go all in on ELRS going forwards with the Zorro and just use the Jumper for 4-in-1 needs. Not entirely sure yet. The 4-in-1 would be least expensive now, as I don't have to buy either receivers or a module, and give me options for upgrading. ELRS would be more convenient if/when I eventually migrate to full ELRS, no module required. I do have a bunch of old little cheap toy drones and a Walkera that were a big factor in me choosing the Jumper and its 4-in-1 originally, so maintaining 4-in-1 support, whether by module or integrated, is still desired. Even if I'm preparing to replace the Walkera because it still runs freaking Cleanflight and I've smashed it into the ground more times than I can count anymore.
Much appreciated. Been waiting for this to decide on my next radio. What’s your impression of the build quality for long term use? Could this thing handle multiple years or am I done the first time it slides off my hood and onto pavement?
Nice to hear that Radiomaster is putting out ELRS receivers, hope they are better than the Jhemcu junk I wasted money on. Is Radiomaster going to be making a micro size ELRS external module? In order for ELRS to move forward there is going to have to be quality hardware availiable, it's not cheaper is the stuff dosn.t work!
I started with frsky and it is a pain. I got all of their Rx bound without having to flash once, but then you never know if you get more failsafes as you could get when they were on the same version. I never bothered tryna flashing a frsky Rx .Flashing elrs over WiFi is pretty easy, though
Great review! I think the 4 in 1 is the best option, because you can then add an external 500mw to 1 watt ELRS. The internal version is only 250mw. Sure, 250mw can go 30km in the desert, but in my residential neighborhood, i can only go 15 houses down the street before failsafe with 1 watt of crossfire, in direct line of sight. 2.4ghz would be even less. Modern neighborhoods are an RF interference nightmare.
That depends. I'm new in fpv. I've ordered cc2500. It's cheaper but I know my first drone will be FrSky one. Next I'll' buy nano ELRS. I don't need so many protocols like in 4in1
Looking forward to the Commando video. The dual band ELRS model is interesting, but they need to sort out their advertising on what power will actually be available.
Hey Josh, when can we expect a review of the iflight commando 8? I like that it's got a 4 in 1 and ELRS internal receiver built in but if the Zorro is a better controller I'll happily get that instead.
Overall I like this one better than the t-pro. However, there are some weird design choices here too (is that the modern way?). Firstly, you want a gamepad style radio for portability. The big a$$ screen jutting out on top is kinda contrary to this concept. Also the fact they didn't use the 18650s because they would have made the radio too big, they strangely didn't feel that way about a screen. Secondly, a full 18650 can fit in the between the narrowest part between the arms. They could have put in 18650s internally there (but that would have made it more like a box style which they didn't want to do purely on design) or could have just made the top of the arms a bit thicker to the middle and put in the 18650 more at an angle. All this would not result in an increased overall size regarding portability but it would impact on the tango2 look a bit. These explanations about putting in a bigger screen for heli/plane pilots and 18350s for reduced size seems like only a justification after the fact. Still they made less mistakes than jumper imo.
Agree! the wheels at index finger grips are like !, what were you thinking ! I'm turned off , I know they will be rolling all over the place when I fly ! (
I think I'll take the wait & see approach, Maybe that iFlight one might be dope. I've already got a TX16s Max as my daily driver so I'm not in any rush, but I would like to have a smaller but more importantly, just as flexible smaller controller around for days where I leave the iFlight FPV Drone Backpack at home but still wanna be able to at least guerilla whoop while out & about.
just bought a Jumper T-Pro ELRS version. it came with a 2 position switch on the bottom right instead of 2 sliders. cant find any information on it. looks and feels good.
What issues are there I’ve been using it for a little over a week elrs 2.4ghz that is and it was the most seamless Easy transition from radio protocols I’ve ever done I’ve had zero hiccups and at 250mw 150hz my DJI link failsafed in a very urban neighborhood and I was sitting in the 80s lq at 500mw it never deviates from 99lq and I’m flying 3 feet from the ground in smack dab middle of landing Michigan and my goggles failsafed tracer I was never able to go even close to the penetration levels I’m getting on elrs 2.4ghz
Is 250 mW ELRS enough for you, or do you need more? The Zorro's ELRS radio has maximum 250 mW output power. Jumper has announced they are going to release a version of the T-Pro with 1 watt ERLS inside! My opinion is 250 mW is more than enough for most people, but obviously more is better especially if you're using EP2 receviers with ceramic antennas.
does the ceramic antenna impact range significantly ?
Plenty for me, I’m not a fly miles out kind of guy though. I’m either flying around my house or in a couple acre park.
Biggest thing for me is overall feeling/responsiveness. That would be the deciding factor for me to switch over to ELRS from Crossfire…
@@RCRitterFPV Ceramic antenna has roughly half the range of the UFL antenna. I say "roughly" because it depends heavily on how it's mounted in the frame.
I went with T-Pro 1w when it popped up at RDQ the other day. I hated removing and installing two modules on my TX16S so now I can just leave crossfire installed all the time and have The TPro as dedicated ELRS radio . I hope I don't end up regretting the T-Pro too badly because the Zorro looks really nice. Time will tell. Thanks for all the great content on these RCs.
@@originafreerangechicken IMO even the battery life of T-Pro is enough to pick it beside the more powerful ELRS module
The infographics you added recently are a nice touch - I think that will be helpful for people newer to the hobby who might otherwise not know the jargon. Nice work with those!
Very nice addition for sure 👌
I’d prefer more handwritten notes in the little notebook :)
I actually found them distracting, because I couldn't read them and listen to JB at the same time. but maybe that's just because I'm not an english navite speaker
Agreed!
Agreed, I felt the videos already were on a high level with detailed but not overburdened explanations and the very useful description linking to a vast library of content. But those infographics add another layer of information I didn't know I missed.
i get my hands into drone every other year. its not by accident that i come back to Bardwell's channel. dude is honest, no agenda, and does a helluva good job. i just got the DJI FPV drone. now that i have some goggles, i am looking into building a drone using the DJI O3 system, but need a radio. i like both of these, leaning towards the T-PRo
thanks Josh
I just wanna say thank you for all the knowledge you shared in all your videos. I learned a lot from you.
When I ordered this radio, I've been waiting more for your review than for when it comes
Bind and flys are a big consideration too. A JP4in1 internal with ELRS external, or visa-versa will provide a wider range of options for a beginner.
I agree with this. There are a greater number of different external ELRS modules currently available, and there will be more to come. Locking yourself in to an internal ELRS module doesn't make sense, especially considering you can't put a different antenna on it. An external module gives you much more freedom and configurability. Yes, I understand that 250mw is all you might need, but what if you "want" something more powerful in the future? You'll end up buying an external ELRS module anyway.
So if giving yourself the widest range of options is important to you, then yes the 4-in-1 version is the most sensible option. That way you can put anything you want on the back of the radio.
If however you already have a bunch of aircraft, with a specific flavour of control receiver installed, then pick whatever version has the internal module that works with those receivers. If none of the internal module options works with your current gear (in my case Crossfire) then the best solution is to buy the cheapest CC2500 version, and get a crossfire (or whatever control link you have, tracer/ghost etc) module for the back.
This!
100% agreed! Not only there are many B&F whoops that don't need the crazy range, but also there more to RC than drones only and a dual system will allow to use the same radio for fixed wings as well.
That's exactly why I just said screw it & went all in on a TX16S Max. More options makes it easier to fly multiple protocols and ELRS combo packs aren't crazy spendy.
I learned expressLRS today by combining watching your videos and captian drone vids, but mostly yours, i flashed and fly my first drone today. Thanks for ur continuing tutorial. I might contribute to your patreon soon as well to help support you in your endeavours.😊😊
Drone: Cinelog 35 v2, O3 system
Controller: Jumper T pro v2 ELRS
Goggles: DJI goggles 2
20:30 SOoooo true!!!
I got in the hobby with R-XSR receivers and OMG what a learning curve it was, finding compatible RX and TX firmwares to be able to establish connection!
Converting to ExpressLRS, yes, you have many options to choose from in the configurator but it works even with the defaults and you only need to set your "binding frase" and you are good to go!
You didn't mention the $20 adapters you had to purchase to talk to the receivers!
The Zorro with 4-in-1 module has me seriously reconsidering if I need a full-size radio like an x9d+ for TX16S. I fly DIY foamboard fixed wings, RTF/BNF parkfliers, tiny whoops, 2" quad, 5" quad.... it would save a lot of room in the backpack!!!
No, Zorro doesn't, it is almost so thick and tall than a qx7. Jumper t-pro is the one save space and weight
I have little interest in buying either of these controllers, but I just enjoy watching you review products. It's nice to see you bring up little problems and I feel there is plenty of sincerity and honesty in each review. Keep it up , keep evolving...err but not too much ;o)
Idk if I could fpv without u man... I appreciate tf outta it.. im addicted and let's just say there are much worse addictions so, thanks
I was THAT GUY that started off with a Frsky xlite and RXSR it was an absolute nightmare of a struggle to get it to work as a newbie and almost made me rage quit the hobby. New folks to the hobby please please please listen to Joshua and start out with a Radiomaster using ELRS, Crossfire, or Tracer. My frsky setup took weeks of headaches and a huge learning curve to get working. Once I ordered a Radiomaster tx16s and a Crossfire starter kit it took 10min to setup 2 drones and and worked flawlessly, handsdown the best decision I've ever made in the hobby.
From a guy who glazed over at the ELRS videos,... When I actually did the flashing and set up, it was pretty easy and once you do it once, setting up future devices is easier than anything!!
My question is how many " Reveiwers " knew the Zorro was just around the corner " when they were praising the T-Pro ? ....For someone new , THIS has helped me distinquish between the TEACHERS and the sellers !!!
We all knew the Zorro was coming. You can't hold a review of a new product for a month or more on the potential that a later product might be better, especially these days when a promised product might be delayed by months.
Today is a Zorro day. I saw most of others fpv channels review. You JB has come probably in the end, but your review is so different so you can count as first! For me the best! Cheers!
Definitely going radiomaster because my t lite died immediately... So I am still on a Taranis x9d!
'Taranis x9d!' an excellent workhorse, nothing wrong with them, I've just ordered a ZORRO as a backup to my X9D 😄
After all of my research...I would get the 4in1 version + Happymodel ES24Tx Slim Pro ELRS module + Vapcell F14 1400mah batteries. That is the best I would guess ~4hrs battery on ELRS with this setup (internal ELRS has power issues on Zorro). Up to 1w if needed, and the most battery life without modifications. If you want more battery life, then go 18500 batteries 2000mah and modify the Zorro to fit them. Or 18650 but then you might have to modify the gimbles slighty to fit them. Or external battery pack if you want even more. 4in1 gives you capability to fly all kinds of models in the future if you ever buy them.
I'm still using my Frsky Taranis X9 Plus ACCST and XM Plus RX's. Not flashing in long time.
P.S. The Express LRS in the Zorro is not the 1 watt version. I think it's the 250mw. You should get the Zorro 4 in 1 and add a Express LRS 1 watt module. This gives you option down the road.
well, you just sold me on the zorro with the ELRS kit, I've flashed and rooted many things, I will use you link , thank you, I've watched both and this is the radio for me! thanks again
Naming conventions madness, the Crossfire "Lite" module is actually the one that goes intro the JR module bay (the box-style hole), whereas the Crossfire "Nano" is the one that goes into the "Lite" module bay (sliding into the pins)
Yes that's insane.
The 4-in-1 seems like the best choice to me. But I'm going in knowing, I'm going to be buying a module for ELRS. Having that 4 in 1 can just be so versatile with whoops. Just saying you might want to try RedPine. And 250 is probably more than most people need. But it's nice to know that if you outgrow the 250. the extra power is there. I think a $150 to $160 ish a great price to have the best of everything
He already has tried redpine
It's so cool that you can buy a tlite, a t pro, a zorro, and a tx12 , for less than the cost of like a dx9 10 years ago... radios have gotten so inexpensive.. yet they are better.. that don't happen often for us consumers
It would be interesting to see how these two compare to the TBS Tango 2.
The TBS Tango 2 has the nice 2 position shoulder switches. I will absolutely not switch radios.
The t-pro has all the momentary buttons accross the top . After radiomaster attached it to the tv set on top sticking out they had to stick those buttons all over the back and in different places and left out the leds to save battery for a second weak flight . Thats a good save .
ELRS does give me fomo but I love my crossfire. It is one thing that I never have to worry about.
I absolutely love my Zorro, such a great radio. The only issue I ever had was the random "telemetry lost" "telemetry recovered" during flight (even while fully retaining control link still), but after updating EdgeTX that issue was completely gone. The battery life has not been an issue for me, even once I run through all my packs it still has plenty of battery life left. I found turning off the screen backlight and setting the transmission power to dynamic 250mW improves it quite a lot.
Once again I learnt something today, thatnks again Joshua. I have the radiomaster t16s and love it, took a bit of time to learn after having a spektrum m but once I got used to it I absolutely love it. The only thing I’m not that fond of is how big it is, takes a bit of getting used to as far as finger and hand placement ,so a smaller game controller type would be great. Definitely thinking about that smaller radiomaster as I like the size and the bigger screen, most likely with the crossfire, although that express lrs unit looks very tempting.
Great video JB. I really like how you broke down the difference between each "Zorro package" Both the Zorro and Jumper TPro have good and bad. I think of anyone is looking at either, and hasn't decided should wait for the Commando 8 review. However, I truly believe it'll be between these 2 radios. I think iflight will end up pricing themselves out of the game. Just my humble opinion. All the newbies, definitely listen. Get the Elrs version or the crossfire version. You won't be disappointed by skipping over FrSky. I know this first hand...alot of us do. 😁
Jumper has put themselves out of the running because of low quality! I won't ever buy another Jumper product - it's the lowest end product with Eachine, in the FPV hobby! J U N K ! ;)
@@KOrnhOliO1 I can't disagree with you on that. I owned a Jumper T18 before my tx16s. Though they are the same "style" radio, I was very unhappy with the quality of the Jumper. I sold it a few weeks after buying and bought the tx16s and haven't looked back since. If I finally decide to go with elrs, (currently use crossfire), I will most likely keep my tx16s as is and go with a Zorro. I like the button layout so much better than the Jumper and frankly, personally, don't trust buying another Jumper radio product. The T pro may be an excellent radio for someone, not me personally...lol...or you. Hahaha. But someone getting into this hobby may like features that the t pro offers...that is if it works properly. Lol
@@ericboff7273 I picked up a Jumper T18 Pro V2, they replaced the 5in1 with a 4in1 and made the touch work but when I had some issues I visited their website just to find Jumper hasn't finished building the website nor do they provide any support or spare parts, reply to support emails doesn't happen. My advice to reviewers is to check on the manufactures service and support then talk about it, a product without support is a pet rock waiting to collect dust!
So many reviews but yours was always going to be a must watch, thanks again JB
Reduce the display size a lot so that it doesn't take so much space, replace switches with push buttons, then it'd be perfect (for me personally). Out of all the 3 new radios the iFlight looks the one that might fit the bill. Basically really just want Tango 2 form factor ish (not much larger like the RadioMaster due to the display sticking out and taking more space), with similar (push) buttons, ELRS builtin...
You mean the betafpv literadio 3? Exacly smaller screen, buttons instead of switches.
Albert Kim, I think it was him I've been watching so many reviews on this today, noted that the menu scroll wheel was a true cylinder rather than the conical shaped ones of the Tango 2 & Jumper T Pro - that in itself is a reason for me to go for the Zorro, my order is being placed tonight :)
Lol wtf....
@@sadboybushido With a conical shaped dial it's variable how much you have to roll your thumb over it to get to the next notch, with a cylinder shape it doesn't matter where you place your thumb, it always moves the same distance for each notch, which is easier to get used to.
I think I'll probably use the zorro for my drone use and keep the TX16s for my planes, gliders, fixed wings, ect 😎🤙
Fantastic review, Joshua! Thanks a lot! 😃
This little radio is really tempting!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I guess I’ll have to see how it feels in my hands compared to my Tango 2, may not make much sense to switch otherwise. I’m fine with using a module for ELRS.
Same! I have big hands, and i feel the Tango 2 is a little small. Very curious on the Zorro radio
They should totally make a ELRS internal with a crossfire module combo.
This is what I want!
Tennis Racket grip overrap. Summer, if sweating a lot, will save the day with Zorro grips.
If this gets CNC gimbals then this is hands down the best game pad style radios, tempted to get one to go with my tx16s
I'm gonna buy the Zorro, it's the best for what I need I just hope the ergonomics fit me well as a thumb flyer. Now that cnc gimbals are available for it theres no other tx that compares. just wish it was more expensive, i could deal with a higher price for better build quality
While people praise the informative overlays, I have to admit I really enjoy the handwritten notes on your little notebook.
It could be a nice touch to present the now overlaid information in a hand written form. :)
Would suit your authentic style!
I really love your videos... and I think you shoud not taake the little pauses from the videos when you edit them... I think the pauses are important for many reasons, such as give people a little time to think about what you've just said. Thank you very much for your work... 😘
Critics...
Metal gimbals for the Zorro would be amazing. I find full size radios to be too large in my hands, but the gimbals available on the smaller radios leave a lot to be desired.
Yea. I picked up t18 pro it's bigger that the x9 lite s I had even. Harder for me to reach fully in on sticks.. I have to hold it lower in my hands.
@@divingfalconfpv4602 My experience is the same on a QX7S. If you thumb it might be worth trying out the 'Grand Lotus' stick ends from FrSky, or one of the other variants they sell. The increased size of the thumb grip area gave me a bit more reach. Not much you can do if you're pinching though.
@@JoryFPV thank you
Just starting fpv have the djifpv. But want to fly fpv 4 or 5 inch. I need an RC. ANY ADVICE. I don’t want garbage but dont have alot of money. Fixed income. Lolol. Thanks josh. In advance. Ur the best pilot I’ve ever seen. Thanks man.
My user experience with Crossfire has NOT been pleasant. I think binding worked like it's supposed to maybe 2 times (out of like 15). Every other time, something has gone wrong and it has been a major headache. Of course, everyone will say "you're doing something wrong" and maybe I am, but I'm not a noob and I'm still having problems. Also, flashing the tango has been an absolute NIGHTMARE every single time I've done it. I've gotten to the point where I just will not flash the tango ever again. I'm boarding the ExpressLRS train as we speak! But anyway, great review Joshua! Lots of useful information!
Did you have a problem with frsky? If you struggled with frsky, then crossfire will usually be a breeze. I haven't had any issues with crossfire, they always bind right away. I do sometimes forget how to re-bind an old xr and I'll have to watch the vid for the button sequence but for the most part my experience has been pleasant.
Radiomaster TX16S is a sweet!
Too large
In my opinion Crossfire is worth the money hands down. Ease of use, range, latency and quality.
this video is perfectly timed i was just looking for a bore budget friendly controller and then this comes out thanks soo much!
What a great review! Answered all the questions I had about options, thanks Joshua!
Love the honest review… please don’t sell out like some people recently have… (you know who)
I’ve been waiting for this one from radio master
Thanks man for these profound information and the analytic comparison.
Not really sure why the screen sticks out so much over the top. Its missing the point of a gamestyle controller when its larger than some box radios. Seems like it would be more compact in between the gimbals or grips. other than that, seems like a solid transmitter.
What box radio is this Zorro bigger than? Come on! LOL heehee! That bigger screen is soooo nice! Plus, the look and quality looks so much better and more "high end" than the cheap looking Jumper radios. I know the quality is better than Jumper, that's for sure!
Looks like this radio manages to hit all the points I need. Thanks for the review.
Fascistic! I was leaning towards the Radiomaster until I watched this.
Always love your style, pacing, professional delivery, humor and information. You're a gifted communicator. I can't believe you only have 250k subs, especially considering that you're the undisputed top source for quad content. I guess your audience is just too small.
You really could step up to some mainstream topic where you can get into that Gold plaque+ category.
I think the JP4IN1 and adding an external long range module would be the most versatile option. I wouldn’t want a one trick pony. If you only do ELRS or Crossfire then your choice is obvious. I was wondering what CC2500 was. Does the JP4IN1 do CC2500?
Yes, CC2500 is just one of the four radio chips of the 4in1
@@FiorixF1 so why would they offer one with limited capabilities?
CC2500 covers FrSky which is far more popular than FlySky and Spektrum, and lowers cost. The $20 between the 4-in-1 and the CC2500 radio is basically all eat up by the extra RF chips.
I got cc2500. With saved money I'll buy next ELRS extension
With the 4 in 1 your controller works with a wide range of ground vehicles, planes, helis, boats, and other hobby vehicles. If you even think you might get into anything other than FPV quads, I wouldn't stick yourself with a cc2500 only to regret it later.
Im flying the Zorro exclusively now. My biggest gripes are short battery life and the fact that they have separate usb ports for charging and pc sims. Because with the Tango 2 its the same port and this was great because at night if I wanted to fly a sim for a few hours, it would also be charging the radio so I would be ready to go the next day. Now I have to make sure I either charge EVERY night or have a spare 2s battery on me. Really bad choice there. Otherwise its great, especially with the new AG01 all metal gimbals.
Yo I'm new to fpv. Havnt even flown yet, still waiting on parts in the mail.
So flight time seems to be really short with these thing, is it possible to wire multiple batteries to your drone to increase flight time?
I know this will make it substantially heavier and change how it flies... but like I said I'm new, I won't be doing anything crazy.. I just want to learn to fly in more than just 15minute intervals lol
Maybe you suggest I don't do this tho becuase i will be getting accustomed to flying wrong
and how am I supposed to really use the range this thing supposedly has, if my battery dies before I ever get there?
Great, well structured and informative video. What would have been useful would be to explain which modes of use this radio is certified for FCC or CE use. I think think at the time of writing this is a small subset of the functionality you have covered. For example. ELRS is illegal above 10mW in the EU.
This
Reasonable review. I do however feel the section covering Zorro's protocol options was poorly done. (from 15:25)
An important differentiator between protocols and Rx's is the ability to provide telemetry. This can be very useful for keeping a running GPS flight log, should your quad go down and need rescuing. (as well as providing a recording of other data)
The crossfire option was compared as if it was just another 2.4 GHz spectrum option. It's a 900 MHz option.
Also ELRS internal module is a 2.4 GHz option with 250mW power. External modules offer up to 1 W, and there are also 900 MHz options for ELRS.
The comparisons made between Crossfire and ELRS amounted to Rx pricing. Not really focused on the Radiomaster product itself. Bother ELRS and Crossfire offer telemetry. There could be good justification in having both. ELRS on 2.4 GHz and Crossfire on 900 MHz.
Much really depends on if a potential Radiomaster Zorro customer is new to the hobby, or has existing equipment.
This would make for a good follow-on video, or livestream discussion.
Example: Expect even a 900 MHz R9M-lite external module could be used. (which could be refreshed with ELRS).
So many possibilities and options. A truly open protocol and open software offering. :)
I do agree with you, JB (@ 20:00) that new pilots should consider ELRS (2.4 GHz) as their first protocol and Tx/Rx setup. More that many suppliers of BNF quads are now offering ELRS options. This wasn't the case 12-18 months ago. As a beginner having telemetry to radio to verify quad operation on plugging in the battery can be very useful. Less complicated the checking OSD in goggles. (battery voltage, etc). For those needing 4-in-1 support in future, there are reasonable priced modules readily available. Decision what option to purchase becomes when vs either/or.
It's always a challenge to put in enough information to be useful, but not too much that isn't directly relevant to the video. I have a whole 20+ minute video about choosing between control protocols, so the topic could have gone on forever and then most people wouldn't watch it.
All of the available modules support telemetry. So it's not a differentiator between these radios and doesn't need to be mentioned when making a buying decision. Likewise 900 vs 2.4: both give far more range than 99% of pilots will ever need, so for a beginner just starting out its not the primary differentiator.
Yeeees my review! Wow I’m so waiting to watch this
Looks like I'll be selling a T16+Crossfire module sometime this year, my Zorro order is in :)
Had to order it from Banggood because it was sold out in the UK, not in any particular hurry so no worries. Went for the 4in1 + Crossfire version, I may buy an ELRS module in the future.
i wish i had been told to avoid FrSky earlier i need Elrs in my life.....top work 👍
Thanks, Josh. I ordered my Zorro about a month ago. It's my first one. I'm really excited to get my hands on it and was really looking forward to hear what you had to say about it. It's only a few days away now! I can't wait.
OMG The review I have been waiting for!!!
My favorite Radio is the TBS Tango 2
Can't wait till this thing gets released!
I'm new to drones. I've been using HPI cars back in the days, but I want to get into Cinematic FPV drones. However, I need to get started somewhere and found out that I do need to learn how to fly first. And therefore I've been looking at controllers. Everything drone related seems to be really expensive, so I need to do some climbing. However, a good controller is needed in any case and I first looked at the FrSky ones. After seeing your video about FrSky taking an Apple turn, I figured I didn't want any of that. So, here I am, looking at the RadioMaster Zorro Radio ELRS Starter Set 16ch instead. And it looks very good. I have no issues with messing around with firmware and such, so that's no hinder for me at least. And since the RM Zorro supports use for simulators, that's probably the one I'm going for. I can't be crashing all the new drones, so the simulator is a really good alternative.
So, thank you very much for this video that made me make up my mind.
Still can't afford the thing, but hopefully, one day, I will, and I can open the door to go and explore the birds view of the world.
Side by side with Tango and X-Lite would be cool. The shape and size looks very similar to the X-Lite.
I was also surprised he did not mention it. X-Lite is probably superior to both.
Watch Nick Burns Zorro review. He does a bit of a comparison with the X-Lite which was his go-to radio for a long time.
Glad I went crossfire pretty much straight away and be staying there for a while super easy for newbie lik me no failsafe yet .
I have no intention of using any of the internal radio options because I already fly crossfire using a V2 module in my Radiomaster TX16S. So I've bought the cheapest CC2500 version, as well as a retrofit kit you can buy (for only $10) to transfer the internal electronics from the bigger JR bay module, into a "lite" or what TBS call the Nano TX module casing.
Just curious ... You already have THE BEST radio - The TX16S - so why would you need another? I don't get why people own multiple radios. I've had a QX7 with upgraded Hall gimbals since I started in this hobby in 2016, and it's been awesome! Thanks!
@@KOrnhOliO1 My TX16S is indeed the best radio I've ever owned. It's perfect for flying sessions when I have the ability to take my bigger bag with all my gear in. I intend to use this Zorro radio for when I don't have enough space for my big bag in my car, or if we're going on a family trip to the country and I want something more compact to fit in a smaller backpack, along with supplies, but still want to do some FPV.
For flying bind and flies ... I went 4in1. I am a fixed wing flyer ;)
Great video appt of good advice, I am getting a buddy of mines into FPV and I recommended ELRS but didn't know what radio to recommend and you make my decisions a little easier... I have him my old X Lite but I want to recommend something newer up to date... Thank you...
Didn't you cover, in detail, the technical issues with the jumper that caused everyone to switch to radiomaster?
Got a Jumper T16 Pro (with the integrated 4-in-1). Love it. It has developed the ribbon cable plague. I was able to repair everything but the right finger slider, whose connector broke internally.
I don't use the finger sliders though. Been considering a small gamepad style radio for throwing in the bag alongside a little sub250g quad.
Debating between whether I want to get the Zorro in 4-in-1 built in, and upgrade with modules (Crossfire or ELRS), or get the Zorro in ELRS, then buy a 4-in-1 module (TBS MPM?).
Or go all in on ELRS going forwards with the Zorro and just use the Jumper for 4-in-1 needs. Not entirely sure yet.
The 4-in-1 would be least expensive now, as I don't have to buy either receivers or a module, and give me options for upgrading. ELRS would be more convenient if/when I eventually migrate to full ELRS, no module required.
I do have a bunch of old little cheap toy drones and a Walkera that were a big factor in me choosing the Jumper and its 4-in-1 originally, so maintaining 4-in-1 support, whether by module or integrated, is still desired. Even if I'm preparing to replace the Walkera because it still runs freaking Cleanflight and I've smashed it into the ground more times than I can count anymore.
Hi JB! Great videos, thanks!
Thanks for the great review, very informative for a beginner like myself.
I got it just today with expres elrs it looks like a good radio !!
I always smash the like button. 💯👊
Glad you made this. I just wish it was available locally in the states.
Just the video I've been looking for.
"For some reason, people prefer the Radiomaster TX16S" - JB, You are the reason haha :D
tx16s is really good radio, but it is overkill for most quad pilots. For me its to big, thats why i looking for something smaller.
nice in depth review mr Bardy
Started with frisky, switched to crossfire. He's right, don't do waste time with frsky
Much appreciated. Been waiting for this to decide on my next radio. What’s your impression of the build quality for long term use? Could this thing handle multiple years or am I done the first time it slides off my hood and onto pavement?
Nice to hear that Radiomaster is putting out ELRS receivers, hope they are better than the Jhemcu junk I wasted money on. Is Radiomaster going to be making a micro size ELRS external module? In order for ELRS to move forward there is going to have to be quality hardware availiable, it's not cheaper is the stuff dosn.t work!
Joshua, in your opinion, which hall sensors are better? T Pro or Zorro?
+1 for the pink info corner on the left side
I started with frsky and it is a pain.
I got all of their Rx bound without having to flash once, but then you never know if you get more failsafes as you could get when they were on the same version.
I never bothered tryna flashing a frsky Rx .Flashing elrs over WiFi is pretty easy, though
Great review! I think the 4 in 1 is the best option, because you can then add an external 500mw to 1 watt ELRS. The internal version is only 250mw. Sure, 250mw can go 30km in the desert, but in my residential neighborhood, i can only go 15 houses down the street before failsafe with 1 watt of crossfire, in direct line of sight. 2.4ghz would be even less. Modern neighborhoods are an RF interference nightmare.
That depends. I'm new in fpv. I've ordered cc2500. It's cheaper but I know my first drone will be FrSky one. Next I'll' buy nano ELRS. I don't need so many protocols like in 4in1
Mine should arrive today or tomorrow. Hopefully I can finally get a quad in the air.
Looking forward to the Commando video. The dual band ELRS model is interesting, but they need to sort out their advertising on what power will actually be available.
Same here. The switches (if the T-Lite didn't have momentary....) and smaller form factor is the things that make the T-Lite and Zorro not a good fit.
Hey Josh, when can we expect a review of the iflight commando 8? I like that it's got a 4 in 1 and ELRS internal receiver built in but if the Zorro is a better controller I'll happily get that instead.
Overall I like this one better than the t-pro. However, there are some weird design choices here too (is that the modern way?). Firstly, you want a gamepad style radio for portability. The big a$$ screen jutting out on top is kinda contrary to this concept. Also the fact they didn't use the 18650s because they would have made the radio too big, they strangely didn't feel that way about a screen. Secondly, a full 18650 can fit in the between the narrowest part between the arms. They could have put in 18650s internally there (but that would have made it more like a box style which they didn't want to do purely on design) or could have just made the top of the arms a bit thicker to the middle and put in the 18650 more at an angle. All this would not result in an increased overall size regarding portability but it would impact on the tango2 look a bit. These explanations about putting in a bigger screen for heli/plane pilots and 18350s for reduced size seems like only a justification after the fact. Still they made less mistakes than jumper imo.
Agree! the wheels at index finger grips are like !, what were you thinking ! I'm turned off , I know they will be rolling all over the place when I fly ! (
So Joshua "It feels a lot bigger and substantial in your hands" ?
Lol
The Last Radio Master (Extended Bardwell Mix)
I think I'll take the wait & see approach, Maybe that iFlight one might be dope. I've already got a TX16s Max as my daily driver so I'm not in any rush, but I would like to have a smaller but more importantly, just as flexible smaller controller around for days where I leave the iFlight FPV Drone Backpack at home but still wanna be able to at least guerilla whoop while out & about.
RM dropped the ball on the T8, but the TX12 also beat out Jumper's so i don't know how the Zorro will pan out.
I still rock my T16, haven't found a reason to upgrade.
just bought a Jumper T-Pro ELRS version. it came with a 2 position switch on the bottom right instead of 2 sliders. cant find any information on it. looks and feels good.
I think ELRS is the way of the future. However, I think we need more time to sort out some of the issues. Quality/Price. I’m all in when that happens!
What issues are there I’ve been using it for a little over a week elrs 2.4ghz that is and it was the most seamless Easy transition from radio protocols I’ve ever done I’ve had zero hiccups and at 250mw 150hz my DJI link failsafed in a very urban neighborhood and I was sitting in the 80s lq at 500mw it never deviates from 99lq and I’m flying 3 feet from the ground in smack dab middle of landing Michigan and my goggles failsafed tracer I was never able to go even close to the penetration levels I’m getting on elrs 2.4ghz
Lansing Michigan*^
Analytics! Another quandary to resolve, have a X Lite, but haven’t resolved the reverse flashing to get back to the pre 2.0 “bug”. Winter dilemma.