The most colorful and concise description of the Battle for Moscow by the Wehrmacht soldiers that I have met is this. Private A. Foltheimer wrote to his wife: "Hell is here. The Russians don't want to leave Moscow. They began to advance. Every hour brings terrible news for us. I beg you, stop writing to me about the silk and rubber boots that I promised to bring you from Moscow. Understand, I'm dying, I'm going to die, I feel it."
Scary... Completely the image I have of this army at the end of its tether, disintegrating as it advances and with the growing certainty that the counter-offensive is coming. Thanks for sharing!
Radio Tapok actually performed with Sabaton the last time they played in Russia on Attack of the dead men, when Sabaton did the Steel Commanders video, he borrowed their studio set for his the video fir his cover. And you are right they used the Russian anthem for the guitar solos. I think the smiling guy is supposed to be Marshall Sukohv. By the way Italian Metal parody band made style parody/cover of Sabaton (feat. Joakim) with the song Passadena 1994 (about Italy's heartbreaking loss in the world cup final in 1994).
An often forgotten but amazing song is Unbreakable. It is about resistance and guerilla warfare, not a specific battle but very easy to draw parallels to the french resistance. There was a music video with clips from the french animated series The long long holiday, but unfortunately it seems to have been taken down :( Great series and great song in any case.
I just did some research and... How come I never heard of this anime? Looks fantastic, shame on me! I'll try to investigate more, and Unbreakable is now on my radar thanks :)
That Soviet and now Russian (sort of?) anthem is fantastic. I think it is the Soviet version they are playing here but I could be wrong. But it does not beat "Aux armes, citoyens, Formez vos bataillons". 😅 Whats your opinion of how much of a role the foreign aid to the Soviet Union played in them coming out on top in the end? How vital do you think it was? Russia sort of defeated the Napoleonic invasion on its own, but was that ever in the cards for the Soviets do you think?
@@StoriesFromHistory-rv4oi Thank you, put these in my "to review" list! For the anthem I listened both and I still am unsure... Epic anyway! As for the importance of lend leasei t's frankly complicated not to be influenced because the subject was the subject of intense propaganda on both sides after the war. Some facts: the effect of lend leases really seems to kick in in 1943. Meaning we still probably have the same outcome for Stalingrad and Moscow is still not under any kind of threat. Soviet's operative art will still be perfected over & over, and Germany will still strongly attrition. I have the gut feeling that the Soviet still defeat Germany on the Eastern front. But I was thinking to myself a couple days ago why do we have this debate in the first place. Because if we want to square things up, we also have to deprive Germany from something like Romanian oil don't we? And in this case, does this mean that USSR and the Allies fight in a seperate war? What's your take on this?
I think Lend Lease saved the lives of several million of my compatriots. Plus, it's worth considering that after the victory in the USSR there was a serious famine, it's scary to imagine how it would overlap with the ongoing war. But Soviet tanks would still be rolling around Berlin.
I generally is in the club that do not see any realistic winning scenarios for the Germans in this war after they launch Barbarossa. That said I think the aid the Soviets got were very important and the war in the East would likely have been prolonged signicantly without it. Which in turn would likely change the timetable for the entire war in Europe.The Brits gave some important supplies more or less from the beginning of Barbarossa right? Thats why it was so important for Germany and the Finns to cut of the railway to Murmansk wasnt it? Also I couldnt help myself. I was away shopping and listened to Sabatons "Attack of the Dead Men". If you dont have that on your list you really should. It is one of their more popular song. It is about gas warfare in WWI on the eastern front. Epic song. You could pair it with the song "Father" about Fritz Haber the inventor of chemical warfare. Start with Father and then do Attack of the Dead Men and you will be hyped. Then finish the night of with a live version of "Swedish Pagans" and your adrenaline will be high 😅@@ToonStory-fh4gn
One correction it was not at all a surprise maybe for the troops at the front but even Stalin planned to attack Germany probably in the next year and they knew Germany was coming if they didn't they just didn't expect them quite so soon. funny thing about the T-34 the first models were pretty amazing but they took too long so they cut corners most t-34s never even reached the front lines because they were so prone to breaking down and german tanks would often run out of ammo before the soviets ran out of crappy tanks the losses were enormous and the tanks themselves were a deathtrap with no consideration given to the crew. The americans lost tons of tanks but usually most of their tank crew survived not so much for the soviets.
Er... With all due respect I think otherwise. Stalin's general idea was indeed to let the imperialist states kill each other, and launch a great offensive to export the revolution throughout Europe. But really not for a few years, and everything I know about the beginning of Barbarossa strongly indicates that Stalin didn't expect it at all. In particular, he rejects all the warnings his agents send him. For the T34, there's all the genius and ruthless determination of the USSR's art of war: easy to manufacture, anyone can fly it, but with filthy finishes and an extremely short lifespan. I heard an anecdote about a converted factory in Stalingrad that produced T34s at breakneck speed, just a few streets from the fighting, where, for example, the tank's seat was actually a leather strap, and as soon as soldiers barely able to drive a tractor left the factory, they jumped in and headed straight for the front.
Very nice! If the Germans took Moscow, how would the war have looked? Would they still have lost? What if the Germans was succesful with nuclear bomb? What if USA never got it, would Japan still be a empire today? Very interesting none the less.
Okay, I'll go with the most based answers I can think of: 1) Germans take Moscow, then Stalin loses his credibility and is overthrowned by a military coup launched by Zhukov who becomes the "Red Napoleon" 2) Germany is able to produce nukes in marche of 1945. Then n*zis decide to bomb Berlin because they don't want to leave anything to the soviets. 3) USA never got the nuclear bomb => USSR invades Japan, turns Japan into a communist puppet. US never agrees, the CIA funds a white movement and then you have a Japanese civil war, just as in the USSR
The reason Moscow was so important was because Moscow was THE major railhub in that area of the USSR. Had they taken it, Stalin might have been overthrown - but regardless of that - Now the USSR Soldiers on the Southern Front (near Stalingrad and more south) would have been largely cut off from supplies. Yes, there were other rail lines, but far more limited. Keep in mind the VAST distances in the USSR and the technology at the time.
The most colorful and concise description of the Battle for Moscow by the Wehrmacht soldiers that I have met is this. Private A. Foltheimer wrote to his wife:
"Hell is here. The Russians don't want to leave Moscow. They began to advance. Every hour brings terrible news for us. I beg you, stop writing to me about the silk and rubber boots that I promised to bring you from Moscow. Understand, I'm dying, I'm going to die, I feel it."
Scary... Completely the image I have of this army at the end of its tether, disintegrating as it advances and with the growing certainty that the counter-offensive is coming. Thanks for sharing!
As far as I know the lyrics changed but not the melody to the Soviet/Russian Anthem.
Exactly!
GREAT REACTION! It’s nice to hear someone who knows their shit about WWII.
Thank you! Greetings from France!
@@ToonStory-fh4gn Joyeux Noel!
@@detroitpolak9904 Joyeux Noel 😃
Radio Tapok actually performed with Sabaton the last time they played in Russia on Attack of the dead men, when Sabaton did the Steel Commanders video, he borrowed their studio set for his the video fir his cover. And you are right they used the Russian anthem for the guitar solos. I think the smiling guy is supposed to be Marshall Sukohv.
By the way Italian Metal parody band made style parody/cover of Sabaton (feat. Joakim) with the song Passadena 1994 (about Italy's heartbreaking loss in the world cup final in 1994).
Thanks for these insights! I am currently watching Passadena 1994, sorry for my Italian bros but 😂😂😂
9:08 Спасибо за реакцию, товарищ)
Pleasure is mine товарищ!
An often forgotten but amazing song is Unbreakable. It is about resistance and guerilla warfare, not a specific battle but very easy to draw parallels to the french resistance. There was a music video with clips from the french animated series The long long holiday, but unfortunately it seems to have been taken down :( Great series and great song in any case.
I just did some research and... How come I never heard of this anime? Looks fantastic, shame on me! I'll try to investigate more, and Unbreakable is now on my radar thanks :)
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That Soviet and now Russian (sort of?) anthem is fantastic. I think it is the Soviet version they are playing here but I could be wrong. But it does not beat "Aux armes, citoyens,
Formez vos bataillons". 😅
Whats your opinion of how much of a role the foreign aid to the Soviet Union played in them coming out on top in the end? How vital do you think it was? Russia sort of defeated the Napoleonic invasion on its own, but was that ever in the cards for the Soviets do you think?
And my Sabaton recommendations for this time is the song "Carolus Rex" and then also "Long Live the King". Both are really great songs imo.
@@StoriesFromHistory-rv4oi Thank you, put these in my "to review" list!
For the anthem I listened both and I still am unsure... Epic anyway!
As for the importance of lend leasei t's frankly complicated not to be influenced because the subject was the subject of intense propaganda on both sides after the war. Some facts: the effect of lend leases really seems to kick in in 1943. Meaning we still probably have the same outcome for Stalingrad and Moscow is still not under any kind of threat. Soviet's operative art will still be perfected over & over, and Germany will still strongly attrition.
I have the gut feeling that the Soviet still defeat Germany on the Eastern front. But I was thinking to myself a couple days ago why do we have this debate in the first place. Because if we want to square things up, we also have to deprive Germany from something like Romanian oil don't we? And in this case, does this mean that USSR and the Allies fight in a seperate war?
What's your take on this?
I think Lend Lease saved the lives of several million of my compatriots. Plus, it's worth considering that after the victory in the USSR there was a serious famine, it's scary to imagine how it would overlap with the ongoing war. But Soviet tanks would still be rolling around Berlin.
I generally is in the club that do not see any realistic winning scenarios for the Germans in this war after they launch Barbarossa. That said I think the aid the Soviets got were very important and the war in the East would likely have been prolonged signicantly without it. Which in turn would likely change the timetable for the entire war in Europe.The Brits gave some important supplies more or less from the beginning of Barbarossa right? Thats why it was so important for Germany and the Finns to cut of the railway to Murmansk wasnt it?
Also I couldnt help myself. I was away shopping and listened to Sabatons "Attack of the Dead Men". If you dont have that on your list you really should. It is one of their more popular song. It is about gas warfare in WWI on the eastern front. Epic song. You could pair it with the song "Father" about Fritz Haber the inventor of chemical warfare. Start with Father and then do Attack of the Dead Men and you will be hyped. Then finish the night of with a live version of "Swedish Pagans" and your adrenaline will be high 😅@@ToonStory-fh4gn
Yeah, I think you are right about this. Might likely take a lot longer but in the end Germany could not fight a two fronter and win.@@RussianEagles
One correction it was not at all a surprise maybe for the troops at the front but even Stalin planned to attack Germany probably in the next year and they knew Germany was coming if they didn't they just didn't expect them quite so soon. funny thing about the T-34 the first models were pretty amazing but they took too long so they cut corners most t-34s never even reached the front lines because they were so prone to breaking down and german tanks would often run out of ammo before the soviets ran out of crappy tanks the losses were enormous and the tanks themselves were a deathtrap with no consideration given to the crew. The americans lost tons of tanks but usually most of their tank crew survived not so much for the soviets.
Er... With all due respect I think otherwise. Stalin's general idea was indeed to let the imperialist states kill each other, and launch a great offensive to export the revolution throughout Europe. But really not for a few years, and everything I know about the beginning of Barbarossa strongly indicates that Stalin didn't expect it at all. In particular, he rejects all the warnings his agents send him.
For the T34, there's all the genius and ruthless determination of the USSR's art of war: easy to manufacture, anyone can fly it, but with filthy finishes and an extremely short lifespan. I heard an anecdote about a converted factory in Stalingrad that produced T34s at breakneck speed, just a few streets from the fighting, where, for example, the tank's seat was actually a leather strap, and as soon as soldiers barely able to drive a tractor left the factory, they jumped in and headed straight for the front.
Great reaction.
Thank you!
I always love it when reactors can back it up with history facts. Great job.
Not really Germanys playingground. I'm not sure I picked up on the coff comment correctly, would you mind to repeat that?😅
100% Nikita Khrushchev
Oh well done!
Very nice! If the Germans took Moscow, how would the war have looked? Would they still have lost? What if the Germans was succesful with nuclear bomb? What if USA never got it, would Japan still be a empire today? Very interesting none the less.
Okay, I'll go with the most based answers I can think of:
1) Germans take Moscow, then Stalin loses his credibility and is overthrowned by a military coup launched by Zhukov who becomes the "Red Napoleon"
2) Germany is able to produce nukes in marche of 1945. Then n*zis decide to bomb Berlin because they don't want to leave anything to the soviets.
3) USA never got the nuclear bomb => USSR invades Japan, turns Japan into a communist puppet. US never agrees, the CIA funds a white movement and then you have a Japanese civil war, just as in the USSR
The reason Moscow was so important was because Moscow was THE major railhub in that area of the USSR. Had they taken it, Stalin might have been overthrown - but regardless of that - Now the USSR Soldiers on the Southern Front (near Stalingrad and more south) would have been largely cut off from supplies. Yes, there were other rail lines, but far more limited. Keep in mind the VAST distances in the USSR and the technology at the time.
@@ToonStory-fh4gn Thanks for the answer :)
@@StevenMRA yes, anyway I cannot see a scenario where Germany capture Moscow... But it sure would have been a heavy blow.
@@hex1c You're welcome, I tried to be creative here that was fun!
A great movie is enemy at the gates showa the battle and wits of 2 different snipers and how the Russians pushed the germans back
No enemy at the gates is bad. Terrible propaganda. Shows how Russians had to share a gun and had one bullet which is FALSE. Stalingrad 1996 is better
Yup really liked this movie, even if some parts are over the top. Thanks!
Red army was army of production workers and peasants farmers thay dont have time to learn handle sofisticated weapon
And yet it was maybe the best land army in the Second World War.