What Exactly Does a TENS unit do for Pain? (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation)? +Giveaway!

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  • What Exactly Does a TENS unit do for Pain? (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation)? +Giveaway!
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    Bob and Brad discuss what a TENS unit can do for pain.
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    1:20 What is a TENS Unit?
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    4:53 One Bob & Brad like
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 127

  • @BobandBrad
    @BobandBrad  2 роки тому +45

    "Some of our astute followers have noticed me slurring my words. I am not drunk but working with Brad it would be justifiable. I had 6 infected cysts removed from my mouth (noncancerous) and I have residual scar tissue and numbness. I will try to do better. Thanks Bob."

  • @mamiebobb4173
    @mamiebobb4173 3 роки тому +16

    I have chronic pain from rheumatoid arthritis and I use my TENS unit on my knees when they start getting really bad and I find that the vibrations from the unit help make the whole knee feel much more flexible and loose. It may just be a case of mind over matter - but who cares? I feel better and that's all that counts!

  • @c.j.nyssen6987
    @c.j.nyssen6987 3 роки тому +7

    I'm watching this while using a TENS right now.

  • @KKJ_author
    @KKJ_author 3 роки тому +16

    I was prescribed one after a car accident and couldn't believe how much it helped. So much so that when I wound up with a pinched nerve in my shoulder/shoulder blade area last year, I bought one. Not surprising, it helped that too. I can't say enough good about TENS units.

    • @KKJ_author
      @KKJ_author 2 роки тому +2

      Amazing how much little electrical pulses can help pain, isn't it?

  • @shellycolson9365
    @shellycolson9365 Рік тому +3

    They used this at physical therapy the other day and now i can sleep at night with frozen shoulder ! After months of sleepless nights

  • @jalenking2082
    @jalenking2082 3 роки тому +10

    IM IN LOVE WITH THE INTRO

  • @ilovegoodsax
    @ilovegoodsax 3 роки тому +5

    I have torn meniscus and mild osteoarthritis in both knees and about two years ago, the VA provided me with a TENS unit which I have never used! I had no idea it could be that beneficial. I'll be pulling my TENS out and dusting it off this week. So glad this video came up in my YT recommendations!

  • @SB-yl7bw
    @SB-yl7bw 3 роки тому +14

    One of the only things that helps with my fibromyalgia

    • @pizzafries
      @pizzafries 3 роки тому

      didn't help mine,so I sold it.

    • @SB-yl7bw
      @SB-yl7bw 3 роки тому

      @@pizzafries so sorry to hear that Tina, stay strong

  • @leahmounce1680
    @leahmounce1680 3 роки тому +6

    I’m a dental hygienist and I love my wireless TENS unit. The only thing is I have to have my husband help put it on my back and I have to be able to reach it to turn it on. But it helps greatly with pain! Mine was less than $50, well worth it.

  • @Nicrent
    @Nicrent 3 роки тому +15

    It's quite funny that this video popped up as I'm studying for my TENS practical tomorrow. Great video!
    For those interested and who want to use TENS, here are some contraindications: pacemakers (as mentioned by Bob & Brad), pregnancy, thrombosis, over malignant tumors, hemorrhagic conditions, and over the carotid sinus (neck area).

  • @brucerowe2895
    @brucerowe2895 3 роки тому +3

    Using it on your shoulders is the greatest just as an experiment. It helps me with my sciatic pain, as well, when the muscles start waving you know your pain is on it's way gone.

  • @GeezerGramps
    @GeezerGramps 3 роки тому +2

    I love mine I’ve used it for shoulder, hip, & knee pain. My favorite modes art 4&5

  • @lisaa6099
    @lisaa6099 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks to the both of u for a simple explanation

  • @MTB_Rider_96
    @MTB_Rider_96 3 роки тому +3

    I've been using a TENs unit for 20 years - they work great for acute pain management. And they are great at parties if you want to mess with people. :)

  • @kathyclark3168
    @kathyclark3168 3 роки тому +4

    I have a TENS unit which has different attachments for your back, feet, as well as the pads The unit itself has 8 different settings; it has been a life saver 👍👍😊

  • @janr6057
    @janr6057 3 роки тому +6

    Opiods...ha good luck getting those here. Anyone in chronic pain in this state has a choice of OTC drugs, moving or killing themselves. I don't understand how someone with no pain can determine or tell a person with chronic pain to just live with it. Seriously, it is ridiculous. Thank you for your channel and your informative and helpful suggestions!

  • @lesseketan3625
    @lesseketan3625 3 роки тому +1

    Just ordered through the link. Excited to try. Thanks guys!

  • @user-fk8rb8ue5h
    @user-fk8rb8ue5h 3 роки тому +2

    It blocks it out and it is absolutely excellent. I was in nursing for 35 years so no I am not unscientific. I am not into quack cures at all. But it worked really well on my shoulder and back.

  • @MBinTN
    @MBinTN Місяць тому

    I am fairly new to your channel, so I really appreciate your mentioning the multi-video program on your website. I am a visual learner, so the pdf is a welcomed bonus. Thank you for including that!

  • @cinnie2543
    @cinnie2543 3 роки тому +1

    We have a tens unit that we have never used! I even forgot what it was for, so this is fantastic! Thanks.

  • @dougable
    @dougable 3 роки тому +3

    That themes song is so reassuring to hear the millionth time I’ve heard it over the years

  • @lspthrattan
    @lspthrattan 3 роки тому +8

    Oh wow I really need one of those units! Looks like just the thing for my chronic pain from a busted shoulder and humerus; thanks, I've been wondering just how they're used...good to have your word for it that they really work, too!

    • @sarahcastellon
      @sarahcastellon 3 роки тому +1

      I know someone with a shoulder injury that uses this device regularly, it has made such an improvement in daily life for them. Highly recommend!

    • @a.w.9662
      @a.w.9662 3 роки тому

      I use it on my painful back; it really works.

  • @noblevictory2200
    @noblevictory2200 3 роки тому +2

    Wow it's so interesting that you are talking about this as I really hurt my back three weeks ago. Couldn't walk or sit upright at all. Between a really good chiropractor and several adjustments I also have a 16 pad EMS/Tens unit that has a lot of buzzers and bells and adjustment, has helped emensely

  • @jjoiv78
    @jjoiv78 3 роки тому +2

    You guys are a fantastic resource! 👍👏

  • @joyceelmer131
    @joyceelmer131 3 роки тому +4

    It’s good for Sciatic pain too

  • @jdell6250
    @jdell6250 Рік тому +1

    Bought one off Amazon for $19.00 as a closeout. Works great for pain (TENS) and muscle stimulation (EMS). Using now.

  • @a.w.9662
    @a.w.9662 3 роки тому +4

    I’m using one right now on an inflamed back muscle. I’ve had it about 6 years. I don’t like using pain pills any longer than I absolutely have to. First time I used it my back was so bad, I could hardly stand straight and walk. Put the tens on and could walk normally!

  • @bohofoto6929
    @bohofoto6929 Рік тому +1

    I wish the TENS did more for me. I actually had more success with cupping with my frozen shoulder

  • @nobattles4322
    @nobattles4322 3 роки тому +2

    I've bought 3 tens units. I like the ones with only 2 leads. I gave away the one that had 4 leads was complicated/confusing. Don't use them as much as I should, they work.

  • @tamsinthai
    @tamsinthai Рік тому

    Four separate orthopedists on four separate occasions have recommended TENS for my post surgical pain. They work. And it's not as though we can rely on remedial surgery now all of the blood's been tainted can we. Thanks sheep.

  • @robertbonfiglio758
    @robertbonfiglio758 Місяць тому

    Works great for my low back pain

  • @megteal3658
    @megteal3658 3 роки тому +1

    thanks for all your videos, can I use this after knee replacement surgery ?

  • @s.k.p.1309
    @s.k.p.1309 3 роки тому +2

    I use mine with my ice pack for my knee. It really helps!

  • @jillnelson8746
    @jillnelson8746 3 роки тому +8

    Thanks for reminding me about TENS. I’m laying in bed with back pain-just the thing

    • @officermills
      @officermills 3 роки тому

      I thought about mine and this popped up 🫂

  • @thendrix58
    @thendrix58 3 роки тому

    I'm so excited because I just ordered the iReliev Tens Unit you recommended!!! I know it's going to help my grouchy knee and my occasional arm pain. Thank you so much for recommending! (You know you're getting old when you get sincerely excited about the arrival of a medical device! haha!)

  • @sandyflory2911
    @sandyflory2911 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you!!!!

  • @freddieruska2065
    @freddieruska2065 3 роки тому +2

    I get muscle spasms in my neck and shoulders during migraine and using my TENS unit has made a world of difference.

    • @cookiemama4208
      @cookiemama4208 3 роки тому

      I'm gonna have to try that! My shoulder muscles get so tight, it really hurts! 🥺

    • @ummu8585
      @ummu8585 7 місяців тому

      I am buying I have migrants headache and sometime I get ache behind ear too

  • @corporaterobotslave400
    @corporaterobotslave400 3 роки тому

    I have to get up and do the Bob n Brad shuffle every time I hear that intro.

  • @cathydraws7787
    @cathydraws7787 3 роки тому

    I have osteomyelitis in my left leg... That's how I got my first one... My 2nd one I got because of a car accident. I ended up with a right total knee replacement, Lower Lumbar fusion and a neck fusion surgery and now cancer... Im surprised my 2nd one still works.... It only has 1 channel left working... lol... that's how much I use mine.... not sure what I will do when this one gives out... hopefully i can put one on lay-a-way somewhere... I love watching your videos. They help alot in remembering which exercises I need for different body parts... lol... what can I say I have the beginning stages of old-timers disease... hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣

  • @John-wk8nw
    @John-wk8nw 15 днів тому

    Reliever for shoulder joint pains as well..

  • @leslieadams5370
    @leslieadams5370 3 роки тому +1

    I love my TENS unit.

  • @jag2333
    @jag2333 3 роки тому

    Thank you ❣

  • @bt1569
    @bt1569 3 роки тому

    I'm curious about your thoughts regarding TENS/IF units? My physical therapist recommended that I use IF, and I purchased the exact same one they use in their office.

  • @kpmaradia
    @kpmaradia Рік тому

    Please explain EMS treatment

  • @kathyherman7079
    @kathyherman7079 3 роки тому

    I need to get one

  • @deachristiancatlady5435
    @deachristiancatlady5435 3 роки тому +1

    My son uses it for depression and anxiety.

  • @cookiemama4208
    @cookiemama4208 3 роки тому +1

    I think my daughter accidentally threw away my tens unit! She must have thought it was just some loose, unneeded wires! Anyway, I really need another one..
    I am subscribed, and it seems like half your videos are addressing issues I have! I need a new body real quick now!
    I have referred your channel to 3 people, so we can all find solutions for what ails us!
    Happy Monday to you all! 🌴🌴🥵🌴

  • @WV591
    @WV591 Рік тому

    these things work. i use mine every night and sometimes while driving

  • @palomahealing5073
    @palomahealing5073 3 роки тому

    Omg..I thought it was just for strengthening your muscles?😳 I have one as an attachment to a Handheld Fat Cavitation device! ❤❤❤

  • @floridanativelh568
    @floridanativelh568 3 роки тому

    How do you enter the giveaway? No link shows up when I go to the page. Have tried from multiple devices. thanks

  • @joshbachman9077
    @joshbachman9077 Рік тому +1

    I’m 5 months post op from a scapholunate ligament surgery. The wrist is still a little stiff. Will TENS or other forms of estim therapy help with progression of gaining more ROM? Thanks!

  • @omarmaury765
    @omarmaury765 3 роки тому +1

    Can it be used for neuropathy?

  • @annemoretti3173
    @annemoretti3173 3 роки тому

    I wear mine to wk bad hip arthritis couldn't walk without it sm days. Waiting to get surgery

  • @marlenekerrmarlene1259
    @marlenekerrmarlene1259 3 роки тому

    sounds good =thank you

  • @cathyh675
    @cathyh675 3 роки тому

    I've used a TENS/IFC machine on and off for 10 years. It does help if I use it every day in the same stable pain area. My pain is moving around so much these days in PT that it hasn't been as helpful.

    • @AlphaG33k1
      @AlphaG33k1 3 роки тому

      Cathy, you might want to look into a Quell relief unit. You just strap it to your calf, and it does its magic. Search amazon for quell and you should find it. It was a game-changer for me after decades of several types of chronic pain.

    • @cathyh675
      @cathyh675 3 роки тому

      @@AlphaG33k1 thanks. I'll look into that. My pain is more mid to low back these days, but it moves a lot. I'm hoping that this is the final area I have to work on in PT.

  • @mokpeku1969
    @mokpeku1969 3 роки тому +3

    I had my L5-S1 replaced with titanium, due to a work-comp injury. I've had permanent nerve damage in one of my legs as a result, as well as severe Charley Horses, numbness and tingling, etc. I started with an external T.E.N.S., and I have had my internal T.E.N.S. since 2007. It was updated two years ago with the colored remote, through Boston Scientific. I am not a representative.😇
    For me the T.E.N.S. unit isn't the equivalent of pain medication. There is no substitution, depending on the severity. You still need those, unless mind fullness has been that effectual for the lucky; for they only combat the spasms producing the pain. That is separate from the pain, itself.
    Also, there is a reverberating feeling afterward, no matter how high its setting. That can be irritating. Most people forget to inform the curious. Last thing, it can feel like your’re walking on electricity, lol. But it i's a tremendous relief device for severely chronic pain survivors; especially for those with limited &/or painful mobility. You can get that extra mile of need, that would've been extremely and excruciatingly painful, otherwise.
    We suffer, but if we are still alive, we are fighters. Thanks!

    • @DayOneAdeleFans
      @DayOneAdeleFans 2 роки тому +1

      What’s an internal tens? Did you get a spinal cord stim? I’m literally sitting here right now using a tens and I don’t feel as much relief as I would like. I was shown how to use it in PT. Five months postop from spinal fusion, L5-S1, laminectomy, other repairs. Still in pain. Still on narcotics and just over it!

    • @mokpeku1969
      @mokpeku1969 2 роки тому

      @@DayOneAdeleFans If you had your surgery for less than a year then you probably won't feel it. Boston Scientific is my manufacturer. Work with your adjustment specialist until they give you five Programs that you actually feel better. It's not the bullshit doctors tell you that it's “pain relief”. They don't know because they don't listen. All it does is take the edge off, at least for me. Try walking with it on outside, and you feel the difference, lol. STEMS just stop the source of the pain from increasing, and soothes that source. It's not pain relief. The medicine is for that. Let your experience tell you.
      You have to give your body a chance to adjust to a different you, in my experience, because the pain is deep. I'm still having problems with my back since my 2006 surgery. Duloxetine (Cymbalta) is a tremendous help.
      It takes more than a year to fully feel your spine feels better for some more than others. And, I'm sorry to break it to you but it's lifelong. You have to adjust to it. Make peace with that. Research what's best for you. But it's lifelong for us, unless you're in that lucky minority.
      I hope you eventually are.
      My ALIF caused my leg to become permanently nerves damaged. I take Lyrica. I also listen to I-Dozer. It's white noise that works for me. It's also soothing. And exercise. Exercise. Exercise. The more you do the better you are. Change your diet (Keto.). It's still extremely too new for you. And, PT (UA-cam has excellent PTs who exercise for the disabled.).
      Five months is just too soon in my experience. Patience, because you'll need it. It's frustrating. I'm still dealing. I have PCOS, endometriosis, and cervical issues. I had a TKA, and I need another. If I can be patient, you can too. It could always be worse. Thank goodness you had no complications.

  • @luvfitall
    @luvfitall 3 роки тому

    Anyone know if TENS units work for tendon pain resulted from fluroquinolones? Or could they possibly hinder healing?

  • @kimnewton1205
    @kimnewton1205 3 роки тому +1

    Will this work for Lumbar Stenosis? Mine is so bad and only strong Opioids work. And I'm trying to get away from those. They don't work that well anyway.
    I've been on pain killers now for 18 yrs.

  • @JillKnapp
    @JillKnapp 3 роки тому

    Oh man, I’m gonna try this right away. My frozen shoulder is killllllllllin’ me, and at this point I’d sell my soul for some relief. A TENS unit is much easier than that. :-)

  • @mattbutler5997
    @mattbutler5997 3 роки тому

    Can you use it on your hip

  • @Florkkkk
    @Florkkkk 3 роки тому

    My guy's are kind of jacked great videos champions

  • @HealthyLiv1ng
    @HealthyLiv1ng Рік тому

    Which tens unit did they recommend? I seem to have missed it

  • @deachristiancatlady5435
    @deachristiancatlady5435 3 роки тому

    When I go to chiropractor...the first thing they do is hook me up to pads like that that pulsates my back...but they also add a cold pack...is that a TENS treatment?

  • @WilliamHawksley
    @WilliamHawksley 6 місяців тому

    I had a knee replacement what location should the pads go on

  • @kaylac3367
    @kaylac3367 2 роки тому

    Is a tens unit good for tendons? I broke my fibula 7 months ago. Having trouble getting tendons back to normal.

  • @cynthialopes917
    @cynthialopes917 2 роки тому +1

    I have numbing on whole left side of my body, from at least from neck to toes. 3 months before I get to see a neurologist. I asked about pain management and she threw her hands up, laughed and said it not an easy fix. And then no answer to my question. (I know what's mental abuse) I've asked about changing my blood pressure medicine because the medicine I'm on causes numbness for both medicines the medication works well to keep my blood pressure down but if that is what caused me to go numb why is my doctor still keep me on it and her cohorts another doctor in the nurse practitioner. I think because I spoke up about the situation about the medication causing problems they must fear that I'm a troublemaker and I am being ignored one doctor I saw told me that my doctor could do something to get me to see a neurologist sooner and she's not doing anything she hasn't even tried so I have to keep trying I have to call every day to see if they can move me up the line and I know that's almost impossible they've got a waiting list for up till October now I'm in August. I've had a tens unit for a couple years. And read somewhere that it could help this issue. Still researching thank you for being there I really appreciate all your helps that have helped me. And my friends.

  • @walterlosianowycz9342
    @walterlosianowycz9342 3 роки тому

    Tens units are great unless your fairly hairy. The pads do not stick to hair. I have a Boston Scientific neuro stimulator implanted . Works like the tens but only covers the back and the stimulations can be increased to go down the legs. So that leaves no relief for the shoulders. I’ve found that steroid injections and biofreeze and Penetrex topicals work well for that.

  • @nancymarrero6781
    @nancymarrero6781 3 роки тому +2

    I just bought a tens on Amazon and used it for the first time today.

  • @SkinChicaSam
    @SkinChicaSam 11 місяців тому +2

    Who is using their tens unit as they watch this video?!? ❤

  • @chrissiem4
    @chrissiem4 3 роки тому +1

    Is it safe for stroke victims?

  • @krauthead4
    @krauthead4 3 роки тому

    How does this differ from the old Dr. Ho electronic stimulating units? I have a difficult time finding replacement pads for my old unit, which works fine. I'm wondering if the TENS units are better.

    • @vmobile890
      @vmobile890 3 роки тому

      check ebay under electro stimulation and tens pads .Also if you have tried a powerful massager there many types . With my back pain for many years tried many things and found relief from most .

  • @oliviaflanagan6014
    @oliviaflanagan6014 3 місяці тому

    Hi Bob and Brad, what's the name of the unit you like the best. 😊

  • @johnnicholas1488
    @johnnicholas1488 9 місяців тому

    What is voltage?

  • @craigdales760
    @craigdales760 3 роки тому

    What if the tens unit makes your back pain worse?

  • @PadmaDorjee
    @PadmaDorjee 3 роки тому

    I love you guys, thanks. BTW, has tall Bob had a stroke or just sunk a few beers? 🍺 🤣

  • @jayneliberty3429
    @jayneliberty3429 3 роки тому

    My neighbor who has schizophrenia puts his tens on his forehead. Should I be worried about him or is this is a thing his doctor would order him to do? Seems pretty bad to me

  • @jillnelson8746
    @jillnelson8746 3 роки тому +2

    Should I use 2 or 4 pads for low back pain? What do the settings mean?

    • @a.w.9662
      @a.w.9662 3 роки тому

      Depends on where your pain is exactly. I’m only using 2 of mine on one side of my back right now because that’s where the pain is.
      The setting will vary with each machine; I just experiment, as long as you start on low.

  • @dontaskmeforusername
    @dontaskmeforusername 9 місяців тому

    I couldn't understand which brand you said you like

    • @BobandBrad
      @BobandBrad  9 місяців тому +1

      iReliev www.bobandbrad.com/fav-finds-brands-we-trust/ireliev--tens-units/67490677-1582-4ca8-9ed4-c86512bf5f42

  • @floridanativelh568
    @floridanativelh568 3 роки тому +1

    Boy you’re not joking about the bad manuals and weird icons on the knobs. It’s hard to decipher the “instructions” 🙄😂😂

  • @ApolloStrengthGarage
    @ApolloStrengthGarage 3 роки тому +2

    The Neubie is far superior, which uses direct current stimulation (TENS uses AC).

    • @fracritel
      @fracritel 3 роки тому

      Which costs $15,000

    • @queue555
      @queue555 3 роки тому

      @@fracritel wow seriously? Who's gonna pay that.

  • @trelligan42
    @trelligan42 3 роки тому

    The thumbnail at first looked like Brad was swashbuckling with a saber. #FeedTheAlgorithm

  • @miryanacolton5674
    @miryanacolton5674 3 роки тому

    Personally I have never got pain relief from using this gadget. Maybe I haven’t been using it consistently?

  • @dougnash6316
    @dougnash6316 9 місяців тому

    👍👍👍👍

  • @palomahealing5073
    @palomahealing5073 3 роки тому

    Umm, guys..I don't have a Pace maker, but I do have Pain maker? Lol

  • @lulucastillo7269
    @lulucastillo7269 3 роки тому +1

    I have that TENS

  • @debbiehickman6625
    @debbiehickman6625 3 роки тому

    My insurance USE to cover They took away 🥲

  • @Archana1032
    @Archana1032 3 роки тому +1

    Why you guy's don't reply my massage 😒😌😌😌

  • @harveypost7799
    @harveypost7799 3 роки тому

    🎼🎸🥁🎤My bed as vast as Siberia ,alone I count my toes 9 my eyes don't c urs only floaters ..my lips r lonely again... tonite

  • @versatec1
    @versatec1 3 роки тому

    You guys are selling out big time...👍

  • @KJSvitko
    @KJSvitko 3 роки тому +1

    Eat a healthy plant based diet and exercise regularly.
    Every adult and child should own a bicycle and ride it regularly.
    Obesity is all too common today. Get off the couch.
    Ride to work, ride to school, ride for fun.
    Every city should be a bicycle city.
    Speak up for bicycles in your community.

  • @1AloneX2
    @1AloneX2 2 роки тому

    JUST SAY NO!

  • @michaelmcclenon6663
    @michaelmcclenon6663 3 роки тому

    Brad you need your own channel. We feel you carry this

    • @k.leetalon742
      @k.leetalon742 3 роки тому +10

      They both bring something to this channel. You are rude.

    • @tracytempleton8618
      @tracytempleton8618 3 роки тому +3

      It wouldn't be as funny...lol

  • @QueenVictoriaRose
    @QueenVictoriaRose 3 місяці тому

    The comment about your wife's voice was inappropriate, cruel, and unnecessary. You should have at least edited it out.

  • @quakerorts
    @quakerorts 3 роки тому +1

    You guys need better mics. The audio of your voices is crap and it's annoying.