I saw a documentary series a while back where American prison employees went to prisons in Scandinavia and tried change their own prison to work the same way. But their mentality and way of thinking and fearing set stop of the change. The prisoners started to change, but when they went back to their old way the prisoners went back in their mentality also. It was very interesting but sad to watch. That they are so set in their mentality that it comes in the way for making the change🫤 at the same time it makes me feel lucky to be an Norwegian❤️
I remember when I was employed in (a Norwegian) prison, I had this "security talk" with the one responsible for the security in that prison. It mainly was about wolves in Norway, litteraly wolves. But, I remember him saying: "We are the executioners of the legal system. We are here to protect society from danger, not to care about the inmates". "Kriminalomsorgen" as it is called in Norway, is directly translating to "the criminal care service". What he told me, they were not there to care for the inmates in any way or form. The "care" aspect was for the society, and I'm NOT kidding.
Absolutely, society plays a significant role in influencing crime rates and the nature of criminal behavior. However, it's important to recognize that attributing the differences in gang violence and criminal codes solely to societal factors is an oversimplification. The Nordic countries have implemented a range of systemic and structural approaches that contribute to their lower crime rates and more rehabilitative prison systems. Firstly, the Nordic model emphasizes social welfare, ensuring that citizens have access to education, healthcare, and social support. This reduces the socio-economic disparities that often drive individuals towards criminal activities. Additionally, Nordic prisons focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. Inmates are provided with education, vocational training, and psychological support, which helps reintegrate them into society successfully. Furthermore, law enforcement and judicial systems in Nordic countries are designed to prevent the escalation of criminal behavior. For instance, police forces are generally well-trained in community engagement and conflict de-escalation, which helps in maintaining public order without resorting to excessive force. It's also worth noting that while gang violence may be less prevalent in Nordic countries, it's not entirely absent. However, the approach to dealing with gangs is more focused on prevention and intervention rather than suppression. Programs targeting at-risk youth, community centers, and proactive policing strategies contribute to curbing gang-related activities. In contrast, countries like the US face significant challenges due to socio-economic inequalities, a more punitive criminal justice system, and differing cultural attitudes towards crime and punishment. These factors create an environment where gang violence and criminal codes are more entrenched. Therefore, while societal factors are indeed crucial, the comprehensive and multifaceted strategies employed by Nordic countries are equally important in understanding the differences in crime and prison systems.
The mentality towards teaching and discipline in Nordic countries indeed differs significantly from that in the US. In the Nordics, the focus is more on fostering intrinsic motivation and positive reinforcement rather than punitive measures like grounding. This philosophy extends from childhood through adulthood and is reflected in their educational and criminal justice systems. In Nordic countries, children are taught to understand the consequences of their actions and to take responsibility for them in a supportive environment. The emphasis is on dialogue, mutual respect, and understanding rather than punishment. This approach helps children develop a strong sense of empathy and social responsibility from an early age. In contrast, the US often employs grounding and other forms of punitive discipline, both at home and in schools. While these methods can be effective in the short term, they may not always promote long-term behavioral change or understanding. Instead, they can foster resentment or fear rather than a genuine understanding of right and wrong. This difference in mentality is evident in how these societies handle criminal behavior as well. Nordic prisons focus on rehabilitation, education, and reintegration, aiming to address the root causes of criminal behavior and provide inmates with the tools they need to succeed in society. The goal is to transform individuals into productive members of society rather than to simply punish them. In the US, the criminal justice system often emphasizes punishment over rehabilitation. This can lead to higher recidivism rates as individuals are not provided with the necessary support to change their behavior and reintegrate into society. Overall, the Nordic approach to teaching and discipline, grounded in positive reinforcement and rehabilitation, contributes to lower crime rates and more effective reintegration of individuals into society. This difference in mentality highlights the importance of focusing on long-term, positive behavioral change rather than immediate punitive measures.
James Conway thinks that collective punishment is one of the best inventions that ever happened... He is the most happy when the inmates are unhappy, sad or is suffering....
Kumla had it's security rebuilt due to the escape in 2004 (in fact there was several escapes and escape attempts in 2004 but this one was the worst). All 3 escapees was captured a few days later.
When you look at prisons in the Nordic countries you have to realise that they are not luxurious compared to the rest of the Nordic society. You can't compare the living standards in the prisons to those among poor people in third world countries like Brazil and the US, you have to compare it to low standards of living in the Nordic countries.
40:40 nordic prisons makes prisoners into diferent type of person than they ware before, into ones who would be less likely do cause trouble, ones who would feel bad and feel shame for doing bad rather than just fear the consequence.
It's not the polititians that decides what laws we have in our countrys.. It's the people that demands that it should be at a sertain way. So the overwhelming majority of the public likes the nordic system.
We are trust full BUT we are not naive. We know there are people who are different. Most people here have experienced that once. I think its more about that its still not right to judge everybody like that, when there are more people who are not like that. But we know very well there are people who works differently, and how. We still dont believe in punishment. When that just makes them worse.
A large proportion of prisoners in Nordic prisons are also immigrants who do not respect our laws and the trust that the authorities have in the people. We are an honest people, and a lot depends on trust between the authorities and the people. Many are tired and fed up with having to finance other countries' criminals, because these people have been given every opportunity. Free education, help from the public to get into work. But they don't want to. My old neighbor doesn't lock the door. Why don't you lock, I asked, because stealing is not allowed, he replied.
3:08 Everything that superintendent said is wrong. It reminds me of a saying: "It takes a village to raise a child". Everything and everyone is "at fault" for how people turn out. Your circumstances, parents, economy, what you are fed, how people and society interact with you, your genes, education, welfare, social and health systems. Everything shape you as a human, and you have no ways to influence any of it, because you have no free will.
Inmates need the internet in order not to be practically illiterate when they get out. I assume the prison have limited access to communicate on the internet.
3:10 Yes and no. The prison is a important part of it all. But the mindset of the whole of society that someone doing something wrong doesn't stop being a human, they're just a human that made a mistake and needs to learn how to do better and get the help needed to do so. Our prisons are a part of that. Furthermore, our society believes that people sre more likely to commit crimes if they feel outside of society. 19:02 The UK isn't a third world country quite yet. 31:06 No, this (Halden) is murderers and rapists etc in the middle of their sentence. Its often not the first place they go, but this is a *high* security facility. Bastøy is a prison for prisoners ending their service, this place isn't.
25:47 and how would that make the prisoner better person? or was it not about making prisoner a better person? thing is nordic prisons is all about making a better person, fixing a problem rather than punishing the result of problem. teach them how to be good person, how to be good or atleat ok member of society. person lacked skill to work anything apart doing crime? tech them skills so that once they come out they will have options to work normal work. they didn't knew how to be good person? show them how. by punishing for bad actions even tho there wasn't choice or ability to not do them people not gona magicaly learn good actions. from what i heard american prisons basicaly enshure you will return to them, cause if you went in you will went out in *worse* situation that you ware upen entering, even ess work opurtunities, even less chances to find place to live. esentialy usa prisons rigs prisoners for failure to become better people. leaves them with even less options for honest life than they had before going into prison.
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I saw a documentary series a while back where American prison employees went to prisons in Scandinavia and tried change their own prison to work the same way. But their mentality and way of thinking and fearing set stop of the change. The prisoners started to change, but when they went back to their old way the prisoners went back in their mentality also. It was very interesting but sad to watch. That they are so set in their mentality that it comes in the way for making the change🫤 at the same time it makes me feel lucky to be an Norwegian❤️
I remember when I was employed in (a Norwegian) prison, I had this "security talk" with the one responsible for the security in that prison. It mainly was about wolves in Norway, litteraly wolves. But, I remember him saying: "We are the executioners of the legal system. We are here to protect society from danger, not to care about the inmates". "Kriminalomsorgen" as it is called in Norway, is directly translating to "the criminal care service". What he told me, they were not there to care for the inmates in any way or form. The "care" aspect was for the society, and I'm NOT kidding.
You have to see prison project little Scandinavia.
A prison in USA trying to use the same principle as in Norway..
Absolutely, society plays a significant role in influencing crime rates and the nature of criminal behavior. However, it's important to recognize that attributing the differences in gang violence and criminal codes solely to societal factors is an oversimplification. The Nordic countries have implemented a range of systemic and structural approaches that contribute to their lower crime rates and more rehabilitative prison systems.
Firstly, the Nordic model emphasizes social welfare, ensuring that citizens have access to education, healthcare, and social support. This reduces the socio-economic disparities that often drive individuals towards criminal activities. Additionally, Nordic prisons focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. Inmates are provided with education, vocational training, and psychological support, which helps reintegrate them into society successfully.
Furthermore, law enforcement and judicial systems in Nordic countries are designed to prevent the escalation of criminal behavior. For instance, police forces are generally well-trained in community engagement and conflict de-escalation, which helps in maintaining public order without resorting to excessive force.
It's also worth noting that while gang violence may be less prevalent in Nordic countries, it's not entirely absent. However, the approach to dealing with gangs is more focused on prevention and intervention rather than suppression. Programs targeting at-risk youth, community centers, and proactive policing strategies contribute to curbing gang-related activities.
In contrast, countries like the US face significant challenges due to socio-economic inequalities, a more punitive criminal justice system, and differing cultural attitudes towards crime and punishment. These factors create an environment where gang violence and criminal codes are more entrenched.
Therefore, while societal factors are indeed crucial, the comprehensive and multifaceted strategies employed by Nordic countries are equally important in understanding the differences in crime and prison systems.
The mentality towards teaching and discipline in Nordic countries indeed differs significantly from that in the US. In the Nordics, the focus is more on fostering intrinsic motivation and positive reinforcement rather than punitive measures like grounding. This philosophy extends from childhood through adulthood and is reflected in their educational and criminal justice systems.
In Nordic countries, children are taught to understand the consequences of their actions and to take responsibility for them in a supportive environment. The emphasis is on dialogue, mutual respect, and understanding rather than punishment. This approach helps children develop a strong sense of empathy and social responsibility from an early age.
In contrast, the US often employs grounding and other forms of punitive discipline, both at home and in schools. While these methods can be effective in the short term, they may not always promote long-term behavioral change or understanding. Instead, they can foster resentment or fear rather than a genuine understanding of right and wrong.
This difference in mentality is evident in how these societies handle criminal behavior as well. Nordic prisons focus on rehabilitation, education, and reintegration, aiming to address the root causes of criminal behavior and provide inmates with the tools they need to succeed in society. The goal is to transform individuals into productive members of society rather than to simply punish them.
In the US, the criminal justice system often emphasizes punishment over rehabilitation. This can lead to higher recidivism rates as individuals are not provided with the necessary support to change their behavior and reintegrate into society.
Overall, the Nordic approach to teaching and discipline, grounded in positive reinforcement and rehabilitation, contributes to lower crime rates and more effective reintegration of individuals into society. This difference in mentality highlights the importance of focusing on long-term, positive behavioral change rather than immediate punitive measures.
James Conway thinks that collective punishment is one of the best inventions that ever happened... He is the most happy when the inmates are unhappy, sad or is suffering....
In Scandinavia the society is built on trust
Kumla had it's security rebuilt due to the escape in 2004 (in fact there was several escapes and escape attempts in 2004 but this one was the worst). All 3 escapees was captured a few days later.
the prosinors in the nordic countrys don`t live better than the average sitizens :)
When you look at prisons in the Nordic countries you have to realise that they are not luxurious compared to the rest of the Nordic society. You can't compare the living standards in the prisons to those among poor people in third world countries like Brazil and the US, you have to compare it to low standards of living in the Nordic countries.
2 min in, I haven't seen this before. I used to work as a teacher in several Norwegian prisons for years. This I'm interested in...
It was called "fengsels eksperimentet" (the prison experiment) showed on Norwegian television channel NRK👍
40:40 nordic prisons makes prisoners into diferent type of person than they ware before, into ones who would be less likely do cause trouble, ones who would feel bad and feel shame for doing bad rather than just fear the consequence.
It's not the polititians that decides what laws we have in our countrys.. It's the people that demands that it should be at a sertain way. So the overwhelming majority of the public likes the nordic system.
21:05 that mean rehabilitation failed and they are not ready to be released
We are trust full BUT we are not naive. We know there are people who are different. Most people here have experienced that once. I think its more about that its still not right to judge everybody like that, when there are more people who are not like that. But we know very well there are people who works differently, and how. We still dont believe in punishment. When that just makes them worse.
they showed two prisons in Sweden, I think you thought the second one was in Norway.
A large proportion of prisoners in Nordic prisons are also immigrants who do not respect our laws and the trust that the authorities have in the people. We are an honest people, and a lot depends on trust between the authorities and the people. Many are tired and fed up with having to finance other countries' criminals, because these people have been given every opportunity. Free education, help from the public to get into work. But they don't want to.
My old neighbor doesn't lock the door. Why don't you lock, I asked, because stealing is not allowed, he replied.
3:08 Everything that superintendent said is wrong.
It reminds me of a saying: "It takes a village to raise a child". Everything and everyone is "at fault" for how people turn out. Your circumstances, parents, economy, what you are fed, how people and society interact with you, your genes, education, welfare, social and health systems. Everything shape you as a human, and you have no ways to influence any of it, because you have no free will.
Speaking Norway and tax payers money means heck of lot different than normal country.
Inmates need the internet in order not to be practically illiterate when they get out. I assume the prison have limited access to communicate on the internet.
3:10
Yes and no.
The prison is a important part of it all.
But the mindset of the whole of society that someone doing something wrong doesn't stop being a human, they're just a human that made a mistake and needs to learn how to do better and get the help needed to do so.
Our prisons are a part of that.
Furthermore, our society believes that people sre more likely to commit crimes if they feel outside of society.
19:02
The UK isn't a third world country quite yet.
31:06
No, this (Halden) is murderers and rapists etc in the middle of their sentence.
Its often not the first place they go, but this is a *high* security facility.
Bastøy is a prison for prisoners ending their service, this place isn't.
25:47 and how would that make the prisoner better person? or was it not about making prisoner a better person? thing is nordic prisons is all about making a better person, fixing a problem rather than punishing the result of problem. teach them how to be good person, how to be good or atleat ok member of society. person lacked skill to work anything apart doing crime? tech them skills so that once they come out they will have options to work normal work. they didn't knew how to be good person? show them how. by punishing for bad actions even tho there wasn't choice or ability to not do them people not gona magicaly learn good actions. from what i heard american prisons basicaly enshure you will return to them, cause if you went in you will went out in *worse* situation that you ware upen entering, even ess work opurtunities, even less chances to find place to live. esentialy usa prisons rigs prisoners for failure to become better people. leaves them with even less options for honest life than they had before going into prison.