Hard to believe we’d be gearing up for NFL 2k23 if EA hadn’t got that license💔 I get heartbroken just thinking of all of the years of NFL 2k we missed out on between 2005-2022.
2K5 nailed the presentation of real NFL football but it did sacrifice a lot from the gameplay perspective of 2K4. 2K5 was kind of stiff and had a lot of canned animations and 2k4 played smoother and player movement looked more natural. Both games blow Madden away still.
True but when you look back even if you where a teenager to borderline adult age. None of that mattered about 2k5. It was still the type of game that could make a die hard Madden lover drop their series for a season to play 2k. Those things that you mentioned only apply now that we're all much older and can either look back on through memories or UA-cam content to compare. Great analysis of why 2k4>2k5 though lol. Say that shit during 2006-09 era and I don't think you make it out of the school yard without emotional damage.
Oh my gosh Soft drink you're gonna bring back a wave of nostalgia for this Aussie fella!!! This game was my introduction to what is the masterpiece of 2K Football and as fate would have it make me a Philadelphia Eagles fan! I started off on NFL Fever 2003 on Xbox and sometime later picked up this game not knowing what I was getting into!.. But wow was it something magical. The player models took me a bit of getting used to, coming from Fever 2003. But the realism was unreal. The replay camera zooming into the holes in players jerseys etc. Man thank you for covering this and all your other videos..
@@FunkinFunAsHell It's funny, because I'm the total reversal. I'm an american who grew up watching football, and I've started getting into rugby thanks to my inexplicable obsession with British culture/history. Lol.
Some of the animations that you see see for either the tackle or the brake tackle that you see later on in the video are actually really nice animations that I wish would have made their way into 2K5 and all pro football
NFL gameday 2002. Idk why this game sticks out so much in my mind, possibly because it was the game that got me into football. But a retrospective on that would be funny as hell
This was the reason I never bought a Madden game again. I didn’t even know the word boycott at the time but boy did I live by it. I wish more folks would just not give them money. Patience young grasshopper.
My favorite part of this game? The fact that if you complete specific milestones, you can unlock Sega characters and even some football icons for the free agent pool. You can put Axel from Crazy Taxi and Michael Irvin on the same wide receiver core. LT can be set behind Jeffrey McWild on the defense. Ryo from Shenmue, Kage from Virtua Fighter and Ronnie Lott can become the prototype for the Legion of Boom. It's stuff like this that I miss and it's a shame it wasn't in 2K5.
Thank you! Someone else recognizes how under the radar this game is! I also liked this more than 2k5! It's sad that Microsoft left it off the backwards compatibility list for Xbox 360!
Due to new branding and where I was in life when ESPN NFL Football, I never was drawn to it when it released. I remember the commercial ads being pretty bizarre and it was the 1st time I really gotten into Madden with Madden 2004. My buddy though Loved this game and I just kinda brushed it off and he was always a GameDay and Madden player. I hadn't realized that it was 2K making the games still. I play so much of NFL 2K through 2K2 on the Dreamcast, but didn't really know what had happened with the franchise as much as I did not yet have an Xbox, PS2, or Gamecube. When ESPN NFL 2K5 released, I had realized what it was, how good it looked, how much enjoyment I had gotten out of some of the really cheesy GameSpot videos, plus the cheap price for this kind of game? Sign me up, Day 1 must buy. I loved it, was it awe and still play it now and love it. So awesome to see the support it gets with community roster updates and the updates that the community has applied to PC for the PS2 version. My buddy though was just not the fan of 2K5 like he was corner box 2K4. Mainly for the reasons stated in the video. To slow and sluggish. I think he liked just being able to turn on a dime, just like how you can in Madden. 2K was evolving for better or worse depending on the player. I love playing both in their own way. You really cannot go wrong. There is something there for someone in one of these games. Gameplay is the most important thing and it will all be in personal preference. Cheers 🍻
I had this game as a kid, I played it all the time and loved it. Nobody else I knew at the time had ever played or even heard of it, everyone defaulted to madden. But I enjoyed 2k a lot more, although I have to say I ended up playing madden's franchise more back then. First person football was crazy too, such an unexpected and cool feature.
That classic 2K play selection screen at 3:13 was actually my favorite feature of the early 2K games. Because the plays were shown to you right on the field, you were able to know how far you needed to go to get a first down or a touchdown. It was one of the main visual aspects that separated 2K from the generic future Madden titles, and I wish that they would have kept that feature.
This is literally my second favorite NFL Game right behind 2K5, I mean they are pretty much near identical it's just 2K5 has so much more to offer, that doesn't discredit this game one bit though, as it's also one of the deepest NFL Games ever made 2K did amazing on the ESPN Series on all their games
Soft Drink, your the channel is the ish man!!! We need that NFL Blitz 99/2000 retrospective!!! Get a cabinet with a friend and turn on tournament mode, and behold a beautifully fun but seriously competitive game.
Junior year of high school 2k4 dropped. It's been a loooooooooonnng time boys and girls. Here we are about to enter 2023 and the world of football gaming is being held hostage by EA and an army of tots buying MUT cards.
I like how in 2k4 when doing a franchise draft players like Ray Lewis and Derrick Brooks go 1 and 2. And there are a select few players like Warren Sapp that can go anywhere from round 1 til round 3 making the draft different every time.
I'm gonna check this one out. I played 2K5 for a while and then later became an avid player of APF 2K8, which made going back to 2K5 near impossible for me. I got to a point where, while I adored the franchise mode, I found the gameplay not to my liking... at all. Interestingly enough, a while back I picked up College Football 2K3 and was pleased with how that game played. The actual gameplay of 2K4 sounds highly appealing to me. Combine that with a slightly less in depth franchise mode (which from what it sounds like the features that 2K4 are missing are features that I won't miss much anyway) and 2K4 is a game I'll pick up. Thanks for the great recommendation SDtv!
To play this game with superb graphics I play it on my Android tablet and through the PS2 emulator for Android called Aether sx2. Which can also be done not just on a tablet but on a mobile phone. It's just brilliant if you get a tablet with an 8 series processor. Runs smooth as a nut.
I was disappointed that the special character unlocks from 2k4 were removed from 2k5. The first time I noticed I unlocked characters from virtua fighter, I was extremely amazed and found out there were more unlocks
While this game unlockables, I think that 2k5 had the best unlockable *system*. I much preferred the currency system to the one here, as there were plenty of characters I wanted, but couldn't get since I wasn't able to get 500 yards with one player (How is this possible? How?).
Football games used be so good before madden monopoly. Early madden were better because of competition. I owned both 2k4 and 2k5 but I put more time in 2k4. We had nfl blitz and even greater nfl street. Golden age of sport games vs the toilet water of our current era of sports game.
This is the relationship WWE SmackDown! Here Comes the Pain has with Shut Your Mouth (and even SD!2), it's just accepted that that's the best one, but not enough people who love that game spend enough time with the others to really understand what they did well/better and their unique qualities. Predetermined physicality isn't a sport, but wrestling games are often grouped with sports games in that way: the nuances of each year's version are lost on the general public but there's probably more changes (and pros/cons compared to the next year) than you'd think.
This was my childhood glad to see it being resurrected I was 12 in 2005 the NBA ballers series & NFL 2K 5 so so underrated now I got to pick up 2K4 totally missed that one
Hey brother I’ve been watching your content for a while and wanted to say thank you I’m a little older so some of these retrospectives have a nostalgic vibe when sports games were great before pay to play
Man I loved these old 2k NFL games so much. Growing up with the Sega/Dreamcast playstation days was so great. Kids now a days don't get it. The wait at the video game store because tecmo bowl was ALWAYS out 🤣
I played this game so much online back in the day on PS2. When you had to screw the Network Adapter onto the back of the console lol. Loved this game so much though
I feel AP2k8 is the best feeling football game ever. It's so fluid in motion as well as gameplay. 2k really should've stuck with that until EA took the simulation rights like they did
EA also took the legends. Not just the license. Plus, 2K was deterred based on sales bc it did poorly in 2007. They didn't know it would become a cult classic. But Tbh, I'd play an unlicensed 2K football sim RN. Just give us full customization, a Fran Mode & lets go
@@second2nonebut1 imho 2K KNEW they had the GOAT sim football engine on APF 2K8. They just didn't have the sales to back it up, & NBA 2K wasn't King yet. Maybe they felt like contuining w/ APF would hurt their brand. Possibly cause bigger issues. APF 2K8 is the standard for football sim. I've seen this said, and I agree, "no better football sim before APF, no better sim after APF"
There is a person on You Tube by the name of Quantrell Bishop. He used to have a channel under his old name (EL PRESADOR). On that channel, he did a video about 2K4, saying that it was the best NFL game ever. Also, it's interesting that (at the 5:14 mark) you talked about how 2K5 has more sluggish movement than 2K4. EP also said that. He said that it seemed like they tried to cater to the Madden fanboys.
I played ESPN NFL Football on the original Xbox for the 2013 NFL season and it was fun. I played as the eventual Super Bowl Champions New England Patriots and the Carolina Panthers in season mode.
Receivers dropping balls in 2k5 is my biggest gripe with that game. I’d have Randy Moss wide open down field, no defender within 5-10 yards of him, and it would just hit him in the hands and fall to the ground. Would happen at least 2-3 times a game in my franchise.
I started buying every madden game in 2000. The only reason i bought 2k5 was because T.O. was on the cover, being an eagles fan. Wow my mind was blown. back then madden franchise was amazing but this felt and presented so much better. Its such a shame all they care about is MUT. They showed a little love to franchise this year, but wtf how is a game almost 20 years old still better...
2k4 has WAY more competitive CPU and less exploitable salary cap, more organic blocking, I actually lost playoff games. Missing 2k5's presentation improvements and animations sucks.
@@Retro_Gamer_89 youre right on the one handed catches, leads to many needless drops when they get hit. The other thing I hate is the QB throwing animations.
Whenever you play as The Ravens & you score a td, Gary Glitter's Rock & Roll Part 2 played. FAM, I LOVED THAT especially in FPF (First Person Football)
One of the greatest things about there being competition is pricing. 2K snagged new customers because it was literally less than half price of all EA titles.
@@Badboyjimmybob It is 🔥 gameplay it's better than 2K5 and presentation just as good now if this had 2K5 presentation it would make this game 10x better
My mom bought this from Hollywood video and I put in so many hours as a kid on my Xbox cause I had madden on PS2 but this game was so much real miss these days
Great job! Love that series ! My favorite. 10x better then madden. I loved the bengals. I would move Peter warrick as 3rd wr n he would torch the 3rd DB. Still have that series on my Dreamcast.
6:49 actually I disagree if we had gotten a nfl 2k6 I think it would be just as likely they would’ve focused on the next gen consoles and leave the previous gen consoles behind
@Brendan Provo, except 2K has done cross-gen/ports since newer consoles released. I think there would have been the 360 game and a 2K6 for Xbox and PS2 too.
I've been playing 2K5 for the last year and a half straight. I just put Madden 05 in my PS2 and I have COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN HOW TO PLAY IT. I keep hitting the square button when I want to throw to the X receiver LOL
Didn’t even touch on first person football, which was supposed to be the major selling point of this game. As a safety, I found first person to be severely broken. Either I’d get burned deep cause I’d try and see anything behind the line of scrimmage, or I couldn’t see what was going on with the QB cause I didn’t want to get burned. I do remember, this game freezing all the time on my original Xbox. I remember getting mad and hitting my Xbox and the game unfroze. From then on, if it froze, I’d hit it and it would work lol
Let's just admit that 2004-05 was the peak of gaming humanity
Fact 🎯
We had ESPN NFL 2K4 AND 2K5, plus my personal favorite game, Burnout Revenge come out during that period
All the way til 09 jus like everything else lol
Facts nascar thunder 2003 and 2004 where fire as well when ea actually made good games
You're god damn right
Its crazy how iv been playing 2k4 2k5 and allpro 2k8 literally for over 10 years now.
What console you playing it on?
@@Retro_Gamer_89 2k5 and allprofootball 2k8 on the xbox 360 and nfl 2k4 i run on a emulator
Not crazy at all
You not crazy bro. You are playing authentic simulation football. I've been playing those games for many many years myself. I get it
Not crazy at all
Hard to believe we’d be gearing up for NFL 2k23 if EA hadn’t got that license💔 I get heartbroken just thinking of all of the years of NFL 2k we missed out on between 2005-2022.
2K is making a arcade game for the NFL, the nfl gave them the arcade license and madden the sim license again
2k6 to around 2k13 would’ve been fun
Modern iterations would be absolute shit like all sports games are today
@@SRTM52 yes but that was said to release this year March still isn’t out yet and we don’t have any further information
I wish 2k could just release an up to date Pro Football game again TBH
@@brandonjohnson3797 yes same
2K5 nailed the presentation of real NFL football but it did sacrifice a lot from the gameplay perspective of 2K4. 2K5 was kind of stiff and had a lot of canned animations and 2k4 played smoother and player movement looked more natural. Both games blow Madden away still.
Facts gameplay wise 2K4 is the G.O.A.T 🐐 👑 🎮
True but when you look back even if you where a teenager to borderline adult age. None of that mattered about 2k5. It was still the type of game that could make a die hard Madden lover drop their series for a season to play 2k. Those things that you mentioned only apply now that we're all much older and can either look back on through memories or UA-cam content to compare. Great analysis of why 2k4>2k5 though lol. Say that shit during 2006-09 era and I don't think you make it out of the school yard without emotional damage.
No they don’t.
@@JayBuccola Yeah they do. Madden fucking blows hot ass.
2K4 was flawed defensively. The amount of kick returns for touchdowns was ridiculous.
Oh my gosh Soft drink you're gonna bring back a wave of nostalgia for this Aussie fella!!! This game was my introduction to what is the masterpiece of 2K Football and as fate would have it make me a Philadelphia Eagles fan! I started off on NFL Fever 2003 on Xbox and sometime later picked up this game not knowing what I was getting into!.. But wow was it something magical. The player models took me a bit of getting used to, coming from Fever 2003. But the realism was unreal. The replay camera zooming into the holes in players jerseys etc. Man thank you for covering this and all your other videos..
Pretty cool to see an Aussie who loves American Football! Can't think of too many who do. Lol.
@@applescruff1969im an aussie getting into it looks like a great sport im a rugby league fan
@@applescruff1969also you would be surprised how many aussies love nfl when i was in school i saw a lot of people with nfl jerseys or merchandise
@@FunkinFunAsHell It's funny, because I'm the total reversal. I'm an american who grew up watching football, and I've started getting into rugby thanks to my inexplicable obsession with British culture/history. Lol.
@ yea im getting into rugby union im a rugby league fan which is called footy here i watch the nrl
Day 2 of asking SDTV to make NCAA 2005 retrospective
Now that was one hell of a game
I waiting for espn nhl 2k5 and nhl 06 retrospective
@@Badboyjimmybob I love those two
@@Badboyjimmybob I'm not a real big hockey fan but NHL 06 was fun!
I think Ncaa 2006 was better.
softdrink you release videos at the most perfect times, they always calm me down, thank you so much
The 2k4 demo sold me on 2k4 and I played it religiously so yeah I agree. The game was a masterpiece.
You gotta do GameDay 04 now that you mentioned it dude. That game and gamebreaker 04 are hugely underrated.
Some of the animations that you see see for either the tackle or the brake tackle that you see later on in the video are actually really nice animations that I wish would have made their way into 2K5 and all pro football
This
NFL gameday 2002. Idk why this game sticks out so much in my mind, possibly because it was the game that got me into football. But a retrospective on that would be funny as hell
Is that the one with Brady on the cover?
@@joebaker2311 no it was donovan McNabb
NFL Gameday. Shout out 989 Sports, they do MLB - The Show & have since PS1.
I wonder, would 989 have eventually figured out football sims too?
@@PontFlair they already were industry leaders in the 90s. Heights most never reach
This was my first nfl video game! I had blast playing against my brother in this. Very cheesy game but still very fun haha
Yessss. You finally made a video on the TRU most underrated football game of all time
Facts
This was the reason I never bought a Madden game again. I didn’t even know the word boycott at the time but boy did I live by it. I wish more folks would just not give them money. Patience young grasshopper.
My favorite part of this game? The fact that if you complete specific milestones, you can unlock Sega characters and even some football icons for the free agent pool. You can put Axel from Crazy Taxi and Michael Irvin on the same wide receiver core. LT can be set behind Jeffrey McWild on the defense. Ryo from Shenmue, Kage from Virtua Fighter and Ronnie Lott can become the prototype for the Legion of Boom. It's stuff like this that I miss and it's a shame it wasn't in 2K5.
No way didn’t know that
"Coach; you can't replace me with a blue hedgehog!"
"I can when that blue hedgehog runs a two point one forty."
Talk about an under rated UA-camr, love you sdtv! Keep it up!
Thank you! Someone else recognizes how under the radar this game is! I also liked this more than 2k5! It's sad that Microsoft left it off the backwards compatibility list for Xbox 360!
DAMNIT!! 2K4 isn't on the list?!?
@@PontFlair nope but you can emulate it on the Xbox Series X I have videos on my channel please like and subscribe
Grew up playing this game. Classic. Great Overview!
These older games have such good openings/intros
Due to new branding and where I was in life when ESPN NFL Football, I never was drawn to it when it released. I remember the commercial ads being pretty bizarre and it was the 1st time I really gotten into Madden with Madden 2004.
My buddy though Loved this game and I just kinda brushed it off and he was always a GameDay and Madden player.
I hadn't realized that it was 2K making the games still. I play so much of NFL 2K through 2K2 on the Dreamcast, but didn't really know what had happened with the franchise as much as I did not yet have an Xbox, PS2, or Gamecube.
When ESPN NFL 2K5 released, I had realized what it was, how good it looked, how much enjoyment I had gotten out of some of the really cheesy GameSpot videos, plus the cheap price for this kind of game? Sign me up, Day 1 must buy. I loved it, was it awe and still play it now and love it. So awesome to see the support it gets with community roster updates and the updates that the community has applied to PC for the PS2 version.
My buddy though was just not the fan of 2K5 like he was corner box 2K4. Mainly for the reasons stated in the video. To slow and sluggish. I think he liked just being able to turn on a dime, just like how you can in Madden.
2K was evolving for better or worse depending on the player. I love playing both in their own way. You really cannot go wrong. There is something there for someone in one of these games. Gameplay is the most important thing and it will all be in personal preference. Cheers 🍻
I had this game as a kid, I played it all the time and loved it. Nobody else I knew at the time had ever played or even heard of it, everyone defaulted to madden. But I enjoyed 2k a lot more, although I have to say I ended up playing madden's franchise more back then. First person football was crazy too, such an unexpected and cool feature.
That classic 2K play selection screen at 3:13 was actually my favorite feature of the early 2K games.
Because the plays were shown to you right on the field, you were able to know how far you needed to go to get a first down or a touchdown.
It was one of the main visual aspects that separated 2K from the generic future Madden titles, and I wish that they would have kept that feature.
This is literally my second favorite NFL Game right behind 2K5, I mean they are pretty much near identical it's just 2K5 has so much more to offer, that doesn't discredit this game one bit though, as it's also one of the deepest NFL Games ever made
2K did amazing on the ESPN Series on all their games
2k5 is so classic took like Madden 2010 to beat it
@@jeffrey7737 and even then, they didn't do it.
@@PontFlair right hahaha
Soft Drink, your the channel is the ish man!!! We need that NFL Blitz 99/2000 retrospective!!!
Get a cabinet with a friend and turn on tournament mode, and behold a beautifully fun but seriously competitive game.
I'm pissed we didn't get NCAA Football 2k5. Now that would've been fire 🔥
NCAA College Football
2K3, 2K4 & 2K5 masterpieces!
2K3 is 🔥 too
@Retro_Gamer_89 Yes it is 2K era was the best also the Madden era from 2001-2008 in my opinion. 🔥🔥
Junior year of high school 2k4 dropped. It's been a loooooooooonnng time boys and girls. Here we are about to enter 2023 and the world of football gaming is being held hostage by EA and an army of tots buying MUT cards.
I like how in 2k4 when doing a franchise draft players like Ray Lewis and Derrick Brooks go 1 and 2. And there are a select few players like Warren Sapp that can go anywhere from round 1 til round 3 making the draft different every time.
Feel sorry for kids who didn't grow up in the 90s and early 00s
Still would like a NFL GameDay retrospective or NFL Quarterback Club or the rise and fall of 989 studios
What "Rise"? Lmao. The Fall and Fall of 989 Studios
I love how you win a challenge in this game but the call isn't changed
also on the customization side, you were able to add elbow bands and turf tape on players manually in 2k4 but couldn't in 2k5 without an editor
I'm gonna check this one out. I played 2K5 for a while and then later became an avid player of APF 2K8, which made going back to 2K5 near impossible for me. I got to a point where, while I adored the franchise mode, I found the gameplay not to my liking... at all. Interestingly enough, a while back I picked up College Football 2K3 and was pleased with how that game played. The actual gameplay of 2K4 sounds highly appealing to me. Combine that with a slightly less in depth franchise mode (which from what it sounds like the features that 2K4 are missing are features that I won't miss much anyway) and 2K4 is a game I'll pick up. Thanks for the great recommendation SDtv!
Give me an honest review of NCAA Football 2K3. Its got Eric Crouch on the cover, right?
I've thought about getting it. Is it worth it?
@@PontFlair yes! They all worth it. 1080i on the ps2 looks fantastic
@@realone3602 gimme the NCAA College Football 2K3 review. Not in depth, just some notes
I have a video on it
@@SOFTDRINKTV I watched it. I don't miss much from you. If anything. Just trying to get as many takes as possible to see if its worth the investment
To play this game with superb graphics I play it on my Android tablet and through the PS2 emulator for Android called Aether sx2. Which can also be done not just on a tablet but on a mobile phone. It's just brilliant if you get a tablet with an 8 series processor. Runs smooth as a nut.
The halftime show and the franchise mode was sooooooooo intense!!!!!!!!!
I was disappointed that the special character unlocks from 2k4 were removed from 2k5. The first time I noticed I unlocked characters from virtua fighter, I was extremely amazed and found out there were more unlocks
While this game unlockables, I think that 2k5 had the best unlockable *system*. I much preferred the currency system to the one here, as there were plenty of characters I wanted, but couldn't get since I wasn't able to get 500 yards with one player (How is this possible? How?).
Football games used be so good before madden monopoly. Early madden were better because of competition. I owned both 2k4 and 2k5 but I put more time in 2k4. We had nfl blitz and even greater nfl street. Golden age of sport games vs the toilet water of our current era of sports game.
This is the relationship WWE SmackDown! Here Comes the Pain has with Shut Your Mouth (and even SD!2), it's just accepted that that's the best one, but not enough people who love that game spend enough time with the others to really understand what they did well/better and their unique qualities. Predetermined physicality isn't a sport, but wrestling games are often grouped with sports games in that way: the nuances of each year's version are lost on the general public but there's probably more changes (and pros/cons compared to the next year) than you'd think.
So true, SYM had some really great parts that to me were lost in HCTP.
@@morfiend2170 I liked the addition of being able to customize attributes on HCTP.
I gotta check out SYM again
I think SVR 2006 had the best presentation and realism but Here Comes the Pain and Shut Your Mouth had more depth and better rosters.
My favorite WWE games are Shut your mouth & SVR08. I know the second one most people won't agree on
smackdown! 2 was the shit no kizzy
This was my childhood glad to see it being resurrected I was 12 in 2005 the NBA ballers series & NFL 2K 5 so so underrated now I got to pick up 2K4 totally missed that one
Hey brother I’ve been watching your content for a while and wanted to say thank you I’m a little older so some of these retrospectives have a nostalgic vibe when sports games were great before pay to play
Man I loved these old 2k NFL games so much.
Growing up with the Sega/Dreamcast playstation days was so great.
Kids now a days don't get it. The wait at the video game store because tecmo bowl was ALWAYS out 🤣
ESPN 2K4 Baseball was phenomenal and not bad at all compared to MVP 2005, so it does not shock me at all that this game isn't far down from NFL 2K5!!
I played this game so much online back in the day on PS2. When you had to screw the Network Adapter onto the back of the console lol. Loved this game so much though
Thank you for another video man. Been missing your content!
I feel AP2k8 is the best feeling football game ever. It's so fluid in motion as well as gameplay. 2k really should've stuck with that until EA took the simulation rights like they did
EA also took the legends. Not just the license. Plus, 2K was deterred based on sales bc it did poorly in 2007. They didn't know it would become a cult classic.
But Tbh, I'd play an unlicensed 2K football sim RN. Just give us full customization, a Fran Mode & lets go
@@PontFlair factz I forgot about the sales
@@second2nonebut1 imho 2K KNEW they had the GOAT sim football engine on APF 2K8.
They just didn't have the sales to back it up, & NBA 2K wasn't King yet. Maybe they felt like contuining w/ APF would hurt their brand. Possibly cause bigger issues.
APF 2K8 is the standard for football sim. I've seen this said, and I agree, "no better football sim before APF, no better sim after APF"
@@PontFlair all factz. I agree 100%. Nothing came close before or since
I still have my 2K5 for PS2, I Remember getting it. 8th grade, just moved to Kapolei...
There is a person on You Tube by the name of Quantrell Bishop. He used to have a channel under his old name (EL PRESADOR). On that channel, he did a video about 2K4, saying that it was the best NFL game ever. Also, it's interesting that (at the 5:14 mark) you talked about how 2K5 has more sluggish movement than 2K4. EP also said that. He said that it seemed like they tried to cater to the Madden fanboys.
I think one reason 2K5 is still so beloved is because is was half the price of Madden when is came out
Pretty hyped for the community to try the NFL 4K23 Mod for this game. Coming soon ;)
I can't wait and is it going to be for the Series X/S?
@@Retro_Gamer_89 Yes of course. It’s actually preferred for those consoles. That’s what I’ve been doing all of my testing on.
Are you in our Discord? If so, DM me.
Can we play it on Playstation consoles
@@Yeomannn No only Xbox Series X/S and P.C 🖥
2k5 is the best NFL simulation ever
The weekly prep is awesome though in 2K5. Huge addition for me.
You should do a retrospective on the NFL arcade games and what happened to them
Excited to end my day watching this!
The most underrated NBA Game and my favorite is NBA Live 2004.
The most underrated and my favorite Baseball ⚾️ video game is MLB Slugfest 2006
We need one of these for NFL 2K3 aswell!!
I remember sitting on Madden and nfl 2k and just messing with rosters with the friends for hours.
It does have the weekly wrap up when Chris Berman covers every game of the week
The best NFL 2K game of all time finally gets recognition
Currently playing and just had a play where there were OFFSETTING PENALTIES! I don’t think I’ve ever seen that even in 2k5!
Man, this game was great. Loved the gameplay.
I have videos on my channel of 2K4 and 2K5 on the XSX please like and subscribe to my channel.
I played ESPN NFL Football on the original Xbox for the 2013 NFL season and it was fun. I played as the eventual Super Bowl Champions New England Patriots and the Carolina Panthers in season mode.
Just bought 2k5. Awesome game
150% most underrated game!! The NFL 2k series was the greatest thing ever! Seems like anything 2k touched was gold
Except baseball, both EA (MVP Baseball series) and Sony (MLB the show) did it better. That said, MLB 2k had it's great moments, too
Receivers dropping balls in 2k5 is my biggest gripe with that game. I’d have Randy Moss wide open down field, no defender within 5-10 yards of him, and it would just hit him in the hands and fall to the ground. Would happen at least 2-3 times a game in my franchise.
I literally just finished playing again and had this happen damn near everytime almost broke my computer
@@novanebula8004 fixing the sliders may help that. Click the catching slider for user up 2 or 3
@@PontFlair Also going in and editing the catch ratings and hold on to ball ratings helps too.
I'm getting flashbacks from First Person Football. Somehow it worked enough for me.
NFL 2k2 and 2k3 were some of the best football games I’ve ever played
I started buying every madden game in 2000. The only reason i bought 2k5 was because T.O. was on the cover, being an eagles fan. Wow my mind was blown. back then madden franchise was amazing but this felt and presented so much better. Its such a shame all they care about is MUT. They showed a little love to franchise this year, but wtf how is a game almost 20 years old still better...
one thing i hated about 2k5 is the WRs drop the ball wayyyyyyyyy too much. i have my sliders up as well and they still drop wide open passes
Always siked when I see you put out a new video!! You should do a video on the lack of Sports Games on PC.
This video has shaken me to my core. 2K5 was gospel, but now with 2k4...
2k4 is way more fluid and has much better animations
This is the entry in the series where said series went from decent to godlike. And it was still godlike the next year.
New to this channel is awesome
Yes. SEGA got done kinda dirty by EA’s trashy, grubbing self. 2K has made some of the best football games iv played.
Day 3 of asking SDTV to make a NCAA 2005 retrospective
2k4 has WAY more competitive CPU and less exploitable salary cap, more organic blocking, I actually lost playoff games. Missing 2k5's presentation improvements and animations sucks.
Yu think I should by 2k4?
@@jawop6351 Yes gameplay wise it's better than 2K5 I have videos on my channel of 2K4 and 2K5 on the XSX please like and subscribe to my channel.
TBH animations to me are better in 2K4 only thing 1 don't like about 2K4 is that there are too many one hand catches.
@@jawop6351 it's fun, very playable
@@Retro_Gamer_89 youre right on the one handed catches, leads to many needless drops when they get hit. The other thing I hate is the QB throwing animations.
Whenever you play as The Ravens & you score a td, Gary Glitter's Rock & Roll Part 2 played. FAM, I LOVED THAT especially in FPF (First Person Football)
One of the greatest things about there being competition is pricing. 2K snagged new customers because it was literally less than half price of all EA titles.
Can you do a career retrospective of the forgotten Manning brother, Nick Manning?
I played 2k4 way more growing up as a kid cause it had my favorite player from my favorite team, 99 Sapp on my Tampa bay bucs…good times
Never played 2k4. Interesting outlook. I'll have to check it out.
I also don’t have 2k4 but I should pick up because it sounds fire
@@Badboyjimmybob It is 🔥 gameplay it's better than 2K5 and presentation just as good now if this had 2K5 presentation it would make this game 10x better
My mom bought this from Hollywood video and I put in so many hours as a kid on my Xbox cause I had madden on PS2 but this game was so much real miss these days
I was 13 when this game came out this game was 🔥🔥🔥 on old Xbox
classic game and i loved the espn format that made it feel like nfl game day
DAng Softdrink With the heat again no surprise....
I just hated when I traded for a big name their name would still be on fans posters for their old team or hanging on stadium walls
NFL 2K6 would be a banger, even if it released today lol
@WokeFatti Yes, if it would have been like 2K4, not the Maddenish 2K5.
do a NHL 2k retrospective
Great job! Love that series ! My favorite. 10x better then madden. I loved the bengals. I would move Peter warrick as 3rd wr n he would torch the 3rd DB. Still have that series on my Dreamcast.
6:49 actually I disagree if we had gotten a nfl 2k6 I think it would be just as likely they would’ve focused on the next gen consoles and leave the previous gen consoles behind
Just imagine how good NFL 2K8 would have been though.
@@Tirgo69 true
@@Tirgo69 FACTS
APF 2K8, with an NFL license, AND A FRAN MODE?!?
@Brendan Provo, except 2K has done cross-gen/ports since newer consoles released. I think there would have been the 360 game and a 2K6 for Xbox and PS2 too.
I've been playing 2K5 for the last year and a half straight. I just put Madden 05 in my PS2 and I have COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN HOW TO PLAY IT. I keep hitting the square button when I want to throw to the X receiver LOL
It’s 2022, and a game that released in ‘04 is still GOATED. 🐐
Man oh man, I always thought I was crazy for thinking that 2k4 actually played better than 2k5. Both GOATED tho 👑👑
I did too back then. The players moved too much like robots in 2k5. Now for some reason I like 2k5 better. Weird lol
@@nickelbus7596 😂
Great Vid Like always
Super Tecmo Bowl, NFL Gameday series, and 2K Football are the best of all time.
Didn’t even touch on first person football, which was supposed to be the major selling point of this game. As a safety, I found first person to be severely broken. Either I’d get burned deep cause I’d try and see anything behind the line of scrimmage, or I couldn’t see what was going on with the QB cause I didn’t want to get burned.
I do remember, this game freezing all the time on my original Xbox. I remember getting mad and hitting my Xbox and the game unfroze. From then on, if it froze, I’d hit it and it would work lol
You should start a franchise for this game
lol while watching this i got a madden ad
l love this channel
2k4 gameplay was much better than 2k5
Just picked up this game it’s fantastic