I have the 5-6" lifted version of this Kelderman lift for 2 years now, 50k miles. Even going down oilfield lease roads often the lift has held up great. Still smooth as the day I put it on the truck. I don't think I will have another truck without it.
This is EXACTLY why I'm looking at air ride for my F250. Lease roads are the worst. I really don't want to lift mine I just want the best ride I can get. How is the ride with air vs a normal lift kit vs stock?
@@Tyorktexan the ride of the Kelderman is way better than both stock and the normal lifts. Offroad there is a noticeable difference and on the road the same. My wife even noticed a difference between the stock ride and the Kelderman so that tells you something. It is great for long trips and hauling since the truck doesn’t beat you like normal. I didn’t want too much of a lift but needed it to run the larger tires. The only downside of the lift is not being able to haul with my gooseneck trailer.
Also, best thing I have done was ditching the 19.5's. I'm running Alcoas on AF adapters with the beads machined for LT 22" tires. Nitto Ridge grapplers in a 295 are basically a 35 x 12 and they have more capacity than the GAWR for either end of the truck by a large margin but ride so, so nice. Truck doesn't make a mess in a wet yard anymore either.
Thank You for giving an honest review, alot of people just talk about how it looks. I am planning on buying a 2022 or 2019 F450 and adding to also gonna hauling a 40 Foot Open Gooseneck trailer
You can get them to sorta customize your install, like retaining your spare tire, by putting slightly smaller airtanks on the side of the frame by your steps, tbat can retain the factory power steps! Nice way to do it to keep the spare
Man I got 06 f350 cab and chassis. The leaf spring pack is thicker than a pickup f450 I'm sure. I drove it about an hour across town when I bought it bare chassis and it was a back breaker. I need to build a flatbed for it, bit I definitely want to do a full linked air bag system. I've driven a 2010 f450 pickup, unloaded it wasn't nearly as bad as my current truck. So I'm glad to hear the bags make a big difference, that's what I'm looking for👍 Also based off your experience I definitely intend to get heavy duty link ends for my build
You probably know this and maybe you were just in the process of swapping out those heims, but that jam nut seen in the video on the track bar needs to be tightened up to the tube to keep the heim joint shank threads from beating back and forth on the ID threads of the track bar until it pulls the threads and the rear axle walks out from under that truck. I am on the fence about this kit myself for a 2020 450 and just don't know if the chucking and bucking from the trailer is from the truck or the trailer. I wish someone close to me had one of these that I could just drop the trailer and replace the truck with one of these and get a back to back to show me how much of the problem is truck and how much is trailer. Headrest just hits you in the back of the head over and over with any real amount of tongue weight on the truck. Since the rear is on 2 circuits, is the leak in the dump or what? Have you tried to track it down yet, and did it always leak down overnight or only after a while did it start? Thanks for the video. Best demonstration of one of these setups I have seen.
Truck is going into the shop in a week or so to fix the air leak and track bar. The Heim joint has been tightened. Thanks for seeing that. It’s a gamble. Our 2022 rides better than my 2017 does empty. It did help with bucking. Our gooseneck trailer has air ride as well and no bucking. Good luck and glad the video was helpful.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 thats a dream truck for sure. too bad that there are no f450s in finland. closest is in norway and on sale for 130k for a 3year old used one.
Thanks for the video and information. I was quoted approx $20K installed on a 2022 F450. I’m trying to get my wife to buy into the idea. Is the ride and handling difference enough to justify the price? We’ll be pulling a 24K lb fifth wheel and this will be my daily driver when not towing. I’ve told my wife the cost of the air ride is cheaper than me getting a car for daily driving.
I don’t know who quoted you that but we’ve been paying 12-13k for ours here in San Antonio. Front, rear and the computer readout. Blackjack speed shop. I feel the ride is worth it.
Thanks for posting this very informative video. I am planning to buy a F350 SRW 8ft Bed, Crew Cab to carry a slide in camper for long term travel. Will be loaded pretty well up to allowable max payload. Vehicle will travel on paved and unpaved roads, and some medium difficult offroad.. no rock crawling !!. Truck will be kept stock apart from tires and potentially this air ride system. Do you think the full Kelderman system will benefit the ride and load carrying ability for this application, particularly off road travel ?...also can the system be used to level the rig when camped on sloping ground...to get better sleep !!. Any options you may have would be greatly appreciated.
With most slide in campers the truck will squat, this system has an auto leveling computer so it will stay at stock ride height even with a full load in the bed. Also, With the computer display, you can control all four corners independently. For example, when I hookup my boat, I back up to it, drop the rear bags and the truck will squat say 6 inches or so, I will back under the trailer and reinflate the bags. No hard cranking of the jack at all. So if you pull into a campsite and you’re leaning left or right, facing downhill or up hill, you can deflate or inflate to some extent to level it out.
@@carlredmond3642 no problem. If you call kelderman direct and tell them what you’re doing, they are very helpful and nice. Sometimes have to leave a message and they’ll call you back. Good luck.
Nice rig , what are you running for exhaust/tune ? I own a 2020 f450 and I’d like to wake her up a bit . It’s a cab chassis so it’s detuned and has less power from the trucks with beds on them .
I have a 22' f450 on order. I read that you have one too and have just installed the kelderman system on it now. What is you impression of the 2022 f450 (loaded and unloaded) in stock vs bagged configuration? Do they still require removing the spare tire to mount the compressor? Any reason to go with the 3H air lift controller over the mechanical self leveler they offer?
Unloaded the 22 isn’t as harsh as my 17. My hotshot driver (my 60yr old mom) could tolerate the 22. Loaded is where it really shines. No squat. Rides well. They moved the spare tire on both but I have been told others don’t mount the system that way so I’m not sure how yours does it. I like the simplicity of the mechanical leveler but it’s nice to see how much pressure is in your tanks and on each bag. I’m not sure if you can add the 3H later if you don’t like the mechanical. I would think you could. Air dryer is a must.
I have not driven a lifted 450 and I’m sure ride quality of a standard lift depends on manufacturer. Kelderman does make lifts, although I don’t have experience with those, I would imagine the ride is similar to the setup I purchase.
Please list tire brand and size, they look great and although they are tucked under fender(legal). Thanks for the review, would the kit significantly help the ride if the truck is unladen daily driver? 70-80 miles daily
The tires are 265/75/19.5 hankook DH07. We just bought a 2022 model and the ride empty is better than the 2017 was. I’m sure you would notice a difference but I’m not sure it would be worth the $13,000 ish price. We are adding the system to the 2022 model in the next couple of weeks, so I can report back once it is done.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 Do those tires fit ok on stock rims and stock ride height? Any rubbing or clearance issues with the rear tires? I just ordered a 2022 450 and want to fill the wheel wells without lifting it.
Question (Might be ignorant but ...And I don't own a pick-up right now but looking to get into hotshotting) Did you use this truck pre-kelderman air ride? If you did so, have you noticed a difference in ride quality? I 'm curious if this expensive upgrade is really worth it? Does it add longevity to truck? In other words because of smoothing out ride, does the frame and other parts last longer?
Good questions. Yes we used the truck shortly before adding the air ride. It wasn’t very comfortable loaded or for longer trips. The truck would buck and beat you to death. The truck definitely rides better. We have a new 2022 f450 and will be adding the system to that truck as well.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 Seriously, pain in the ass to find anything. I've searched every source in central texas for what I'm looking for. I've expanded my search like ~500 miles from Austin to try to get something I want.
I scanned the comments and may have missed it, but one concern I have that an online forum was discussing is being vigilant about draining water from the kelderman system especially in colder areas of the country where you have to worry about freezing and the havoc it can cause. Thoughts on this? Is that a legit concern? I was wanting the kelderman for ride quality, but I live in Wyoming and one of my primary uses for the truck would be hauling snowmobiles in the bitter cold
I'm an OTR semi driver and so long as these air systems on trucks have a good air dryer, there isn't much to worry about. On our newer freightliners with the company I don't have to worry about draining the tanks unless the air dryer goes bad. I've only ever had issues with the dryer system or the compressor itself, which either on is pretty rare. Whyoming is a pretty dry state as well, not a tremendous amount of humidity in the air. Last time I had an compressor issue was picking up a load of lumber during a heavy rain system in Tacoma, WA. I then left outta there and headed west toward Ohio. When I got into Whyoming around Laramie, temperatures were around -25 at the time and my compressor had gotten excess moisture in it, which caused it to freeze and malfunction. Stopped in at a shop, and all they had to do was defrost it and evacuate the moisture. After that I was good to go. That was about 3 years ago now, haven't had an issue since, and been in 3 different trucks since then. As a precaution if your going from an extremely moist environment like the Northwest or Southeast, you can purge the system, empty the tanks to see if there is any moisture. Then proceed across the colder high elevation areas. Be it Kelderman, Hendrickson, SAF Holland, Meritor, these air systems for trucks are pretty bullet proof these days and only pose problems if they get damaged or aren't inspected periodically for issues. Doesn't matter what system you go with, everything wears out eventually and in different ways, and will need serviced from time to time. As for a pickup vs a semi, with the pickup you'll still have hydraulic brakes. Typically a air system freeze up isn't so much an issue for air suspension as it is for air brakes. Having ice build up in the air system with air brakes can pose far worse issues than with the suspension. Other than that it just comes down to common sense, routine inspections, and annual maintenance as needed.
Been daily driving a 2018 f450 for 100k miles in 4 years. Most of the time with no load. Needless to say Iv finally linked my lower right back issues. Been debating on getting rid of it, unfortunately I love the truck. Will this fix the back issues? Kelderman with a combo of wheel tire package? I’m still running stockers, an just recently dropped 3k on 6 new tires.
thats what we used it for. It had small issues here and there as with any air ride system but it was worth it to save your guts from being beat to death
How is the ride quality. My f350 drw will beat you. Especially if no trailer is connected I have been thinking about doing bags all the way around mine to help with the ride quality and the auto level when towing would be a great thing instead of playing with air pressure in my current. Helper bags
Hey like your truck. Can you tell me the size tires you have on it ? Replacing these Continentals very soon. Want to put 35s on it. Thanks. Let me know please
You’re welcome. The smaller Heim joints, yes but kelderman should have an updated version soon or in the very near future . The rest of the problems I would say are because we have really used the truck. Probably won’t have most of these issues with most trucks.
I’m considering basically the same system you have for my 22 F450. I tow a 20k GN, 16k fifth wheel with airbags and a 22k bumper pull. When you did the remote start, it didnt look like the front raised any. Is it possible to raise it to match the rear or would you just lower the rear to match the front? The Kelderman site says the bags have a sweet spot at about 8” bag height. Is this system designed that the sweet spot is the factory ride height front and rear?
I just got my 2022 f450. It replaced my 2003 f350 with 575,000 miles. The new f450 rides harsh. I am a farmer and I'm always banging across the field or down farm roads at 40mph. Do you think the kelderman suspension would be a good solution? Or would dirt and heavy offroad use ruin it? I live in a poor rural county in Georgia with 3 sets of train tracks and crappy pot hole roads. My old f350 truck eats camlocker crossover toolboxes like candy cause the rough ride makes them crack and break where they meet the bed rail.
You might wear bushings and airbags faster than a grocery getter but my truck hasn’t exactly been driven only in Sunday’s by grandma to church and I think it’s doing ok. Almost 200k on it and replacing rear air bags as one is leaking.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 I was worried about the frame bending where the air bags sit. I bent the first gooseneck hitch I had in the truck when I ran over a 10ft alligator with 7klbs on the pin. It was 1" by 8" flatbar welded to the frame. I bent the reciever hitch on 250 in a wreck, but the suspension stayed put. The stock setup is very stout.
How would this setup handle a tall heavy camper compared to stock? I want to go on off-road trails, beach, sand dunes. Easy stuff, nothing extreme but want something to lessen the off-camber side to side rolling of trails. thanks for the video.
Look into superspring sway stops if you're still having this issue. They have been fantastic on my f450 for reducing that body roll on trails by engaging the overload springs all of the time
What pressure do you run those 265/75/19.5 hankook DH07??? Front and back difference or with heavier loads.. Thinking to put the larger ones on mine.. Thanks
Does it have an Yellow air brake I would love to see some videos on it pulling big heavy load that’s cool what kind of work do you do with it again How do you like the exhaust brake on it
Has hydraulic brakes. I will try to get some video of it pulling loads. Check out the rest of my videos to see what I do. The exhaust brake is ok, better than nothing
Obv you can adjust ride height with this system but how would this match up to running air bags in the rear? Would this help towing ? Typically tow around 10-15k lbs so would just air bags be good to level out my 22’ f350? Thing squats pretty hard when loaded. Thx nice rig
Thanks. with the auto leveling system and on board compressors the truck won’t squat with a load on. I pull my 22k lb boat with a lot of tongue weight and it sits level.
Any wandering with those tires? I replaced my stock Contis of my 2018 with Toyo M920 245's and couldn't keep my truck between the lines. Are those the stock rims?
@@MrLawnscapingplus I know it takes awhile for the tread to “flatten out when installing new heavy duty tires. I also lowered the pressure to like 80psi. Maybe even lower, I don’t remember now. That helped some.
Noisy and hold rocks in the tread that scare you to death when they come out at highway speed and slam into the fenders. So far they have been good in the rain and are wearing ok. Time will tell though
Truck will always ride a like Truck, it has weight and something needed to support it either springs or air springs. Basically it's waste of money and maintenance pit.
people don't look into this system for saving money, they look into this system for comfort. If you have ever driven one of these trucks loaded with a gooseneck trailer on it for any length of time you would appreciate it more than spring ride. Semis got away from spring ride long ago.
Hello, so what’s the max towing capability with the air ride system if I decide to install it on a new 2022 F450 dually like your; I know that with the factory suspension is 37,000 lb. I asking because I’m planning to buy a 40,000 lb diamond C gooseneck trailer to know what will be my legal max towing capability with a CDL. Thanks
the motor is a 6.7 liter power stroke diesel. This truck used to be our hotshot truck hauling skid steers, machine attachments or whatever else was too small for our big trucks to spend time on. Now it is my personal daily driver as we have a 2022 F450 now for work.
Yes not new tho, very over priced. Super cool if you get it on a used truck. Working guys don’t need a 200k truck….. even if your a greasy rig welder making stripper money all day all night.
I have the 5-6" lifted version of this Kelderman lift for 2 years now, 50k miles. Even going down oilfield lease roads often the lift has held up great. Still smooth as the day I put it on the truck. I don't think I will have another truck without it.
same here. I see people putting air helper springs and stuff on but its no the same.
This is EXACTLY why I'm looking at air ride for my F250. Lease roads are the worst. I really don't want to lift mine I just want the best ride I can get.
How is the ride with air vs a normal lift kit vs stock?
@@Tyorktexan the ride of the Kelderman is way better than both stock and the normal lifts. Offroad there is a noticeable difference and on the road the same. My wife even noticed a difference between the stock ride and the Kelderman so that tells you something. It is great for long trips and hauling since the truck doesn’t beat you like normal. I didn’t want too much of a lift but needed it to run the larger tires. The only downside of the lift is not being able to haul with my gooseneck trailer.
im not sure as I've never rode in a 450 with a regular lift @@Tyorktexan
Also, best thing I have done was ditching the 19.5's. I'm running Alcoas on AF adapters with the beads machined for LT 22" tires. Nitto Ridge grapplers in a 295 are basically a 35 x 12 and they have more capacity than the GAWR for either end of the truck by a large margin but ride so, so nice. Truck doesn't make a mess in a wet yard anymore either.
might look into those next go around. thanks
Thank You for giving an honest review, alot of people just talk about how it looks. I am planning on buying a 2022 or 2019 F450 and adding to also gonna hauling a 40 Foot Open Gooseneck trailer
I recommend a couple trips without the system so when you get it installed, you will appreciate it more. Haha. Just kidding.
Wow that is really nice… also cool to see the lift put to work and not just sitting looking pretty
This is next level, love it!
You can get them to sorta customize your install, like retaining your spare tire, by putting slightly smaller airtanks on the side of the frame by your steps, tbat can retain the factory power steps!
Nice way to do it to keep the spare
Man I got 06 f350 cab and chassis. The leaf spring pack is thicker than a pickup f450 I'm sure. I drove it about an hour across town when I bought it bare chassis and it was a back breaker. I need to build a flatbed for it, bit I definitely want to do a full linked air bag system. I've driven a 2010 f450 pickup, unloaded it wasn't nearly as bad as my current truck. So I'm glad to hear the bags make a big difference, that's what I'm looking for👍
Also based off your experience I definitely intend to get heavy duty link ends for my build
Can’t be too heavy duty on a system like this. Especially when it’s a work truck. Good luck with your new truck
I have been waiting on a video like this. I have a 2018 F 450 I want to get done so thanks for the info.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask or call kelderman. They’re very helpful. I’m not paid by them or anything.
You probably know this and maybe you were just in the process of swapping out those heims, but that jam nut seen in the video on the track bar needs to be tightened up to the tube to keep the heim joint shank threads from beating back and forth on the ID threads of the track bar until it pulls the threads and the rear axle walks out from under that truck.
I am on the fence about this kit myself for a 2020 450 and just don't know if the chucking and bucking from the trailer is from the truck or the trailer. I wish someone close to me had one of these that I could just drop the trailer and replace the truck with one of these and get a back to back to show me how much of the problem is truck and how much is trailer. Headrest just hits you in the back of the head over and over with any real amount of tongue weight on the truck.
Since the rear is on 2 circuits, is the leak in the dump or what? Have you tried to track it down yet, and did it always leak down overnight or only after a while did it start?
Thanks for the video. Best demonstration of one of these setups I have seen.
Truck is going into the shop in a week or so to fix the air leak and track bar. The Heim joint has been tightened. Thanks for seeing that. It’s a gamble. Our 2022 rides better than my 2017 does empty. It did help with bucking. Our gooseneck trailer has air ride as well and no bucking. Good luck and glad the video was helpful.
Good ole San Antonio Lived there 13 years..
Finally got the Hankooks on. Looks Awesome.
Noisy I’m sure but I like how mine look and perform
We're interested in this system for our 2022 F450 (on order), strictly for ride improvement. How's the ride compared to stock suspension? Thanks!
It’s like floating on air. It handles different and rides different in a good way. It’s hard to explain.
man thats a beautiful truck
Thank you
@@truckingforboatparts5838 thats a dream truck for sure. too bad that there are no f450s in finland. closest is in norway and on sale for 130k for a 3year old used one.
@@realkilju well some people are asking that much for used ones here because you have to order new ones and it takes several months to get them in.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 damn so they just really are very expensive
Thanks for the video and information. I was quoted approx $20K installed on a 2022 F450. I’m trying to get my wife to buy into the idea. Is the ride and handling difference enough to justify the price? We’ll be pulling a 24K lb fifth wheel and this will be my daily driver when not towing. I’ve told my wife the cost of the air ride is cheaper than me getting a car for daily driving.
I don’t know who quoted you that but we’ve been paying 12-13k for ours here in San Antonio. Front, rear and the computer readout. Blackjack speed shop. I feel the ride is worth it.
Is they $CAD or USD? That’s a crazy price if it’s USD
Very nice looking rig.
Thank you
That’s a clean truck
Thank you
Good Stuff, Great Tips👍🏿😀
Thank you
Thanks for posting this very informative video. I am planning to buy a F350 SRW 8ft Bed, Crew Cab to carry a slide in camper for long term travel. Will be loaded pretty well up to allowable max payload. Vehicle will travel on paved and unpaved roads, and some medium difficult offroad.. no rock crawling !!. Truck will be kept stock apart from tires and potentially this air ride system. Do you think the full Kelderman system will benefit the ride and load carrying ability for this application, particularly off road travel ?...also can the system be used to level the rig when camped on sloping ground...to get better sleep !!. Any options you may have would be greatly appreciated.
With most slide in campers the truck will squat, this system has an auto leveling computer so it will stay at stock ride height even with a full load in the bed. Also, With the computer display, you can control all four corners independently. For example, when I hookup my boat, I back up to it, drop the rear bags and the truck will squat say 6 inches or so, I will back under the trailer and reinflate the bags. No hard cranking of the jack at all. So if you pull into a campsite and you’re leaning left or right, facing downhill or up hill, you can deflate or inflate to some extent to level it out.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 Thanks for the reply. Great info.
@@carlredmond3642 no problem. If you call kelderman direct and tell them what you’re doing, they are very helpful and nice. Sometimes have to leave a message and they’ll call you back. Good luck.
Nice rig , what are you running for exhaust/tune ? I own a 2020 f450 and I’d like to wake her up a bit . It’s a cab chassis so it’s detuned and has less power from the trucks with beds on them .
Great info! Video review/update since you’ve added it to your 2022 coming soon?
I have a 22' f450 on order. I read that you have one too and have just installed the kelderman system on it now. What is you impression of the 2022 f450 (loaded and unloaded) in stock vs bagged configuration? Do they still require removing the spare tire to mount the compressor? Any reason to go with the 3H air lift controller over the mechanical self leveler they offer?
Unloaded the 22 isn’t as harsh as my 17. My hotshot driver (my 60yr old mom) could tolerate the 22. Loaded is where it really shines. No squat. Rides well. They moved the spare tire on both but I have been told others don’t mount the system that way so I’m not sure how yours does it. I like the simplicity of the mechanical leveler but it’s nice to see how much pressure is in your tanks and on each bag. I’m not sure if you can add the 3H later if you don’t like the mechanical. I would think you could. Air dryer is a must.
How would you compare the ride quality vs a stock or Traditional style lift kit? Unloaded ride quality. Thank you
I have not driven a lifted 450 and I’m sure ride quality of a standard lift depends on manufacturer. Kelderman does make lifts, although I don’t have experience with those, I would imagine the ride is similar to the setup I purchase.
Please list tire brand and size, they look great and although they are tucked under fender(legal). Thanks for the review, would the kit significantly help the ride if the truck is unladen daily driver? 70-80 miles daily
The tires are 265/75/19.5 hankook DH07. We just bought a 2022 model and the ride empty is better than the 2017 was. I’m sure you would notice a difference but I’m not sure it would be worth the $13,000 ish price. We are adding the system to the 2022 model in the next couple of weeks, so I can report back once it is done.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 Do those tires fit ok on stock rims and stock ride height? Any rubbing or clearance issues with the rear tires? I just ordered a 2022 450 and want to fill the wheel wells without lifting it.
@@joshuakremer8959 no issues at all with rubbing.
are you on stock f450 rims with the 265 hankooks
Question (Might be ignorant but ...And I don't own a pick-up right now but looking to get into hotshotting) Did you use this truck pre-kelderman air ride? If you did so, have you noticed a difference in ride quality? I 'm curious if this expensive upgrade is really worth it? Does it add longevity to truck? In other words because of smoothing out ride, does the frame and other parts last longer?
Good questions. Yes we used the truck shortly before adding the air ride. It wasn’t very comfortable loaded or for longer trips. The truck would buck and beat you to death. The truck definitely rides better. We have a new 2022 f450 and will be adding the system to that truck as well.
@truckingforboatparts5838 how do you like the system on the 22?
I'm so jealous 👍🏁
Y'all selling this truck any time soon? Cause I'm in the market and this is exactly what I'm looking for.
No sorry but if I see one i will let you know. They’re pretty hard to come by at the moment.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 Seriously, pain in the ass to find anything. I've searched every source in central texas for what I'm looking for. I've expanded my search like ~500 miles from Austin to try to get something I want.
I scanned the comments and may have missed it, but one concern I have that an online forum was discussing is being vigilant about draining water from the kelderman system especially in colder areas of the country where you have to worry about freezing and the havoc it can cause. Thoughts on this? Is that a legit concern? I was wanting the kelderman for ride quality, but I live in Wyoming and one of my primary uses for the truck would be hauling snowmobiles in the bitter cold
I'm an OTR semi driver and so long as these air systems on trucks have a good air dryer, there isn't much to worry about. On our newer freightliners with the company I don't have to worry about draining the tanks unless the air dryer goes bad. I've only ever had issues with the dryer system or the compressor itself, which either on is pretty rare.
Whyoming is a pretty dry state as well, not a tremendous amount of humidity in the air. Last time I had an compressor issue was picking up a load of lumber during a heavy rain system in Tacoma, WA. I then left outta there and headed west toward Ohio. When I got into Whyoming around Laramie, temperatures were around -25 at the time and my compressor had gotten excess moisture in it, which caused it to freeze and malfunction. Stopped in at a shop, and all they had to do was defrost it and evacuate the moisture. After that I was good to go. That was about 3 years ago now, haven't had an issue since, and been in 3 different trucks since then.
As a precaution if your going from an extremely moist environment like the Northwest or Southeast, you can purge the system, empty the tanks to see if there is any moisture. Then proceed across the colder high elevation areas. Be it Kelderman, Hendrickson, SAF Holland, Meritor, these air systems for trucks are pretty bullet proof these days and only pose problems if they get damaged or aren't inspected periodically for issues. Doesn't matter what system you go with, everything wears out eventually and in different ways, and will need serviced from time to time.
As for a pickup vs a semi, with the pickup you'll still have hydraulic brakes. Typically a air system freeze up isn't so much an issue for air suspension as it is for air brakes. Having ice build up in the air system with air brakes can pose far worse issues than with the suspension.
Other than that it just comes down to common sense, routine inspections, and annual maintenance as needed.
So they put bushings and not Johnny joints that's interesting
Nice rig.
Thank you
What tires are you running?
Can we see a video on the 2022?
Been daily driving a 2018 f450 for 100k miles in 4 years. Most of the time with no load. Needless to say Iv finally linked my lower right back issues. Been debating on getting rid of it, unfortunately I love the truck. Will this fix the back issues? Kelderman with a combo of wheel tire package? I’m still running stockers, an just recently dropped 3k on 6 new tires.
Yes. Mine is noticeably smoother after installing the kit. It’s not Cadillac smooth, still feels like a truck but it’s bearable now
Would you trust this with a hot shot set up hauling 30k lb trailer for hundreds of thousands of miles?
thats what we used it for. It had small issues here and there as with any air ride system but it was worth it to save your guts from being beat to death
Nice rig set up! What brand of tires are those?
Hankook. DH07. 265/75/19.5
How is the ride quality. My f350 drw will beat you. Especially if no trailer is connected I have been thinking about doing bags all the way around mine to help with the ride quality and the auto level when towing would be a great thing instead of playing with air pressure in my current. Helper bags
its like riding in a half ton truck when empty. very smooth and rides even better loaded compared to a truck without it.
Hey like your truck. Can you tell me the size tires you have on it ? Replacing these Continentals very soon. Want to put 35s on it. Thanks. Let me know please
Thank you. They’re 265/75/19.5 hankook DH07
I was thinking about getting my F350 done. Where would I get installed..
I got mine done at blackjack speed shop in San Antonio. You can go on Kelderman’s website and there is a dealer map on there.
So the issue will be with all of there 2017 set up? Thanks for the vids
You’re welcome. The smaller Heim joints, yes but kelderman should have an updated version soon or in the very near future . The rest of the problems I would say are because we have really used the truck. Probably won’t have most of these issues with most trucks.
Please tell me How do you set up Handel’s towards big heavy load
My bad. I just read below. Thnks.
I happen to catch that Baldwin oil filter on your truck. Can you go through that?
I’m considering basically the same system you have for my 22 F450. I tow a 20k GN, 16k fifth wheel with airbags and a 22k bumper pull. When you did the remote start, it didnt look like the front raised any. Is it possible to raise it to match the rear or would you just lower the rear to match the front?
The Kelderman site says the bags have a sweet spot at about 8” bag height. Is this system designed that the sweet spot is the factory ride height front and rear?
He has a leak in the rear lines, that's why it jumped like that when he started it
What tires and what size are you running? What feedback do you have for them. They look like the Hankook DH07
i forgot the size but they were noisy and like most 450s, i had to run the pressure like 80psi. they lasted awhile though.
I just got my 2022 f450. It replaced my 2003 f350 with 575,000 miles. The new f450 rides harsh. I am a farmer and I'm always banging across the field or down farm roads at 40mph. Do you think the kelderman suspension would be a good solution? Or would dirt and heavy offroad use ruin it? I live in a poor rural county in Georgia with 3 sets of train tracks and crappy pot hole roads. My old f350 truck eats camlocker crossover toolboxes like candy cause the rough ride makes them crack and break where they meet the bed rail.
You might wear bushings and airbags faster than a grocery getter but my truck hasn’t exactly been driven only in Sunday’s by grandma to church and I think it’s doing ok. Almost 200k on it and replacing rear air bags as one is leaking.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 I was worried about the frame bending where the air bags sit. I bent the first gooseneck hitch I had in the truck when I ran over a 10ft alligator with 7klbs on the pin. It was 1" by 8" flatbar welded to the frame. I bent the reciever hitch on 250 in a wreck, but the suspension stayed put. The stock setup is very stout.
How would this setup handle a tall heavy camper compared to stock? I want to go on off-road trails, beach, sand dunes. Easy stuff, nothing extreme but want something to lessen the off-camber side to side rolling of trails. thanks for the video.
Look into superspring sway stops if you're still having this issue. They have been fantastic on my f450 for reducing that body roll on trails by engaging the overload springs all of the time
Did kelderman warranty the bushings and heims? I think mine is starting to make noise and I have the newer kit. I don’t think they changed the design
they did send me new ones and have updated versions last i checked.
What pressure do you run those 265/75/19.5 hankook DH07??? Front and back difference or with heavier loads.. Thinking to put the larger ones on mine.. Thanks
80psi all around. Just a heads up, They don’t ride as well as factory. I was thinking of trying Toyo next.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 Thanks
Any spacers needed on rear? Gettin mine installed Wednesday
No spacers needed.
Does it have an Yellow air brake I would love to see some videos on it pulling big heavy load that’s cool what kind of work do you do with it again How do you like the exhaust brake on it
Has hydraulic brakes. I will try to get some video of it pulling loads. Check out the rest of my videos to see what I do. The exhaust brake is ok, better than nothing
Are those tires 285 19:5 would they fit stock f450 2017
I have 265s. I’m not sure if 285s will fit on the rear without spacers or on the front without rubbing.
Do it sway like a ford or did it improve it too?
Dose it sway like a Ford or did it get any better?
Obv you can adjust ride height with this system but how would this match up to running air bags in the rear? Would this help towing ? Typically tow around 10-15k lbs so would just air bags be good to level out my 22’ f350? Thing squats pretty hard when loaded. Thx nice rig
Thanks. with the auto leveling system and on board compressors the truck won’t squat with a load on. I pull my 22k lb boat with a lot of tongue weight and it sits level.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 thanks for info. How much was your full set up?
@@gianniharrington5106 we just had our 2022 done, it was about $12,000 installed.
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Would you be selling this any time soon? If so how much would you want for it, I might be interested?
No. Sorry. If I change my mind I will let you know.
Can you adjust the truck ride when unloaded to a smooth ride vs with the stock setup being so bouncy
You can adjust it manually or reset the preset ride height on the display
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Any wandering with those tires? I replaced my stock Contis of my 2018 with Toyo M920 245's and couldn't keep my truck between the lines. Are those the stock rims?
Yes. Still likes to fallow the ruts in the road.
No, mine felt like i was driving on ice the whole time and had no traction going down the road
@@MrLawnscapingplus I know it takes awhile for the tread to “flatten out when installing new heavy duty tires. I also lowered the pressure to like 80psi. Maybe even lower, I don’t remember now. That helped some.
Appreciate the responses
What tires do you have ?
How’s the ride quality when you’re not hauling anything?
Great. I rode with a buddy in his one ton ram and couldn't wait to get out.
How far above stock can you lift it with your controller?
A few inches
How u like those tires??
Noisy and hold rocks in the tread that scare you to death when they come out at highway speed and slam into the fenders. So far they have been good in the rain and are wearing ok. Time will tell though
@@truckingforboatparts5838 how are they now? Love the look!
Did it increase your max payload?
No
What are the range of ride heights?
You’ll have to look on their website as they have stock height and many lift kits
How does it ride and handle?
Hard to describe how it rides but it definitely rides better than stock. Handling is the same as stock
So no leaf springs?
Correct
What kinda ties are those?
Tires? They are hankook
Truck will always ride a like Truck, it has weight and something needed to support it either springs or air springs. Basically it's waste of money and maintenance pit.
people don't look into this system for saving money, they look into this system for comfort. If you have ever driven one of these trucks loaded with a gooseneck trailer on it for any length of time you would appreciate it more than spring ride. Semis got away from spring ride long ago.
@@truckingforboatparts5838 semis have air suspension in seat, because air bags in the rear suspension don't do much. It helps but enough.
wrong. driving both leaf and air trucks back to back day after day the air is softer period. @@repairvehicle
@@jacobstrutner8232 , it still rides like truck even with air, your point is dumb.
Ride quality empty and loaded?
smooth. like riding on air, the trailer we have for it is air ride also with a drop axle. makes 700 mile days less stressful
Hello, so what’s the max towing capability with the air ride system if I decide to install it on a new 2022 F450 dually like your; I know that with the factory suspension is 37,000 lb. I asking because I’m planning to buy a 40,000 lb diamond C gooseneck trailer to know what will be my legal max towing capability with a CDL. Thanks
To my knowledge, it doesn’t affect the gvwr.
What motor is in that truck What do you do for hauling with that truck to
the motor is a 6.7 liter power stroke diesel. This truck used to be our hotshot truck hauling skid steers, machine attachments or whatever else was too small for our big trucks to spend time on. Now it is my personal daily driver as we have a 2022 F450 now for work.
Yes not new tho, very over priced. Super cool if you get it on a used truck. Working guys don’t need a 200k truck….. even if your a greasy rig welder making stripper money all day all night.
Rusty already .
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The Kelderman designs are so grease- monkey shade-tree yet people buy them.. . never knowing where their steering wheel will face.