J O Tobin - Swaps Stakes 1977
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- J O Tobin becomes the first horse to defeat US Triple Crown winner Seattle Slew, winning the Swaps Stakes at Hollywood Park by 9 lengths in a time that was just two-fifths of a second outside the world record
Wow, I was there and watched this incredible race as a kid. My Father placed his bet on J.O.Tobin BC he loved the way William Shoemaker rode, ever though Slew was the favorite to win. I have a picture of my parents celebrating that win...number 4. What a great memory, and now to see it as an adult, blows my mind. Thanks for this video.
Easiest win he ever had
I was also there with my face pressed against the rail and my money on Seattle Slew to win. I didn’t cash in but I had a great time watching the race as Shoemaker brought J.O. Tobin out of the gate like a billet out the barrel of a gun. I used to love to see Willie ride Cougar.
I had Slew that day.
Congratulacions, Mister Terry! Now you have a very insteresting story to tell your grandchildren while you watch this UA-cam video.
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My congratulations to you too as I send to Mister Terry!
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J O Tobin was one of the best two year old s I've seen in England he was the last great horse trained by Noel Murless
I was there. What a morose, depressed crowd that was, after the race. We all felt numb. It was stunning to deal with. Never heard a louder crowd of people at a sports event, in my lifetime, during the running of the race.
I was there too and you're right, in all of my hundreds of visits to Hollywood Park I never heard a louder crowd than during the running of that race, particularly the last quarter mile. I was standing underneath the grandstand level watching it on TV and the stands were practically rocking. The one thing I don't agree with was that the crowd was morose. It seemed to me like most were overjoyed to have the hometown favorite conquer the east coast champion.
Me too! That was an awesome day at the race's
@@terrysilverstein6675 Certainly there were a lot of fans who appreciated J.O. Tobin's spectacular performance.
I was there too. Next to seeing Zenyatta's win in the BC Classic at Santa Anita I have never heard a crowd so excited during the running of a race!
Y'all be some lying mofos. I was there; there were 100,000 fans, it was SRO in the grandstand and clubhouse; Shoe was very confident about J.O. Tobin and so was Johnny Adams; It was noisy from the start and it just kept getting louder as everyone realized Tobin at 7-1 was going to win easy; When he crossed the wire, the crowd began chanting, "Shoe, Shoe, Shoe," and the grandstand started swaying like an earthquake was shaking it. Reporters and hardboots said it was the first time they had ever heard the chanting. After the race, Shoe, who was always a gracious winner and great sport, said, "I told you he could do it." It was of the few times he ever said, "I told you so."
HARRY HENSON HOLLYWOOD PARK....RIP
my favorite race caller!!
You bring a dead tired horse into a race against a well rested champion what could possibly go wrong. Glad Slew raced as a 4 year old and did some incredible things in 1978 and should have been horse of the year again
You would've had to import Secretariat's Belmont to have any kind of a chance. J.O. Tobin's performance here was just that incredible.
As for 1978 Seattle Slew was the best horse without question but Exceller compiled a better overall record by running a more demanding campaign on both dirt and grass. Affirmed was clearly 3rd best while Alydar was 4th best.
@@DanielSong39 "Best" is a purely subjective assessment. However Slew compiled a 3 win versus 2 loss record in graded stakes races in 1978. That is objective. It is also a pretty slim resume. Both Affirmed or Exceller won a lot more races, ran a much more demanding schedule, faced tougher competition, and still compiled a better won-loss percentage than Slew. It is unclear that Slew was capable of winning as many big races in a single season as Affirmed and Exceller did.
@@sl7293 Affirmed ran against 3-year-olds most of the year, granted Alydar was good competition but not like running against Seattle Slew or Exceller (and Affirmed lost to all 3 of them, by the way)
@@DanielSong39 The point is that Affirmed ran a lot more than Slew and faced a much more demanding schedule, both as a 3 year old and as a four year old. After racing in the Swaps, 3 weeks after the Belmont, Slew was through. After racing only 2 weeks after the Belmont, Damascus continued to improve and get stronger. He raced 2 races a month for 7 consecutive months and 16 races in all at age 3. Damascus arguably achieved greater success against the best 3 year old and older horses in the country at age 3 than Slew did at ages 3 and 4 combined. Slew's resume is thin compared to horses like Damascus, Citation, Round Table, Spectacular Bid, and Affirmed.
I was there and placed a bet on Seattle Slew. People said, Why bet on him? It won't pay anything. I said, it is a ticket to keep for memory. Ohhh! Well, betting proceeded, and for the first time, I believe, They had to place a hand printed 3 instead of the pre printed 1 or 2 million, for the bets outside on the racetrack. You could see this hand come out to place it.
It was that assured that Seattle Slew would win!
I just read the he had just done the Belmont 3 weeks before and had been anestesized 4 times in between! 3 times to take photos for ads, and 1 time to get to the race. I think he was worn out.
This is what happens when owners get greedy and ask too much from a horse. This was a tired horse that needed rest and should never have ran in this race. James Keeney
*This is what happens when owners get greedy and ask too much from a horse* Were the owners of Secretariat and Citation asking too much of their horses by asking them to run 3 weeks after the Belmont Stakes - just like the owners of Seattle Slew? How's about the owners of Damascus who asked him compete only 2 weeks after the Belmont Stakes? The difference between Slew, on the one hand, and Secretariat, Citation, and Damascus, on the other hand, is the latter three won their post Belmont races fairly easily while Slew got crushed. Another difference is Citation won 19 races as a 3 year old, Damascus won 12, Secretariat won 9 and Slew won 6. Slew lacked the talent required to win as many big races as those other three horses. In order to win a lot, you also have to compete a lot. Slew could do neither.
@@sl-rt5kv Slew was the only horse to race
another triple crown winner in Affirmed, 2
times, and beat him easily both races. Slew
was a beast of a horse, and one of my all
time favourites. If Slew would have raced
Secretariat in the Kentucky Derby and also
in the Preakness, Slew would have won in
one of those races. The Belmont, you have
to give that to Secretariat, although Slew's
son AP Indy ran the Belmont in 2 :26, and
that's just 2 seconds off the record of 2:24
held by Secretariat.
@@grantp4022 *Slew was the only horse to race another triple crown winner in Affirmed, 2 times* That's also an apples versus oranges comparison. Slew was a well-rested 4 year old competing against a 3-year old running in the 10th and 11th races of his season. Slew lacked the resilience and durability to complete in anything close to that many races in a single season. As a 3-year old, Slew did not compete against older horses at all, let alone against _great_ older horses. Also, let's not forget that Slew lost to Exceller in one of the two races in which he competed against Affirmed. Exceller was another great 4-year old in who easily defeated 3-year old Affirmed. Exceller faced Affirmed again in the following year, but this time an older, more mature Affirmed easily defeated Exceller. Affirmed not only ran much more often than Slew did, he also faced tougher opponents. Affirmed competed 14 times against horses ranked in the top 100 horses of the 20th century. Slew did this just 3 times. *If Slew would have raced Secretariat in the Kentucky Derby and also in the Preakness, Slew would have won in one of those races* The truth is you don't know what would have happened if Slew faced Secretariat.
I was there and bet 20 on J.O. Tobin. People had emptied their savings accounts and bet Seattle Slew to show...I've never seen so many people cry at a horserace before or after.
This was the race that did in Billy Turner, who did not want to take the horse to California, and Jean Cruguet, both whom were
soon replaced by Doug Peterson as trainer and Angel Cordero as Slews new pilot.
Incredible performance J.O. Tobin. Seattle Slew wasn't himself but it would've taken something special to finish within 5 lengths of J.O. Tobin on this day...
He trained perfectly all week and the media and the Taylor's all thought this was so much fun and was going to be a cakewalk. I was there and the media all fawned over his great works and gallops. This was the first time he ever faced a horse who would put 22.2 and 1:09.1 fractions to him and he wilted when challenged. Get tired of all the excuses after the great ones lose....
@@perryboatright6206 J.O. Tobin was powered by a rocket, there's your excuse
Slew WAS something special. I have no doubt if he wasn't pushed into the race by two greedy owners he would have left him in the dust. Slew didn't lose his fire after winning the Triple Crown. Not to mention coming back at 4, and destroying Affirmed.
@@Theonlygracius Well there are no what ifs in racing and he got smoked by 16 lengths
J0 Tobin is one of the most underrated champions ever. Just couldn't stay healthy.
I was there that day. I still have a winning ticket for J O Tobin. Shoemaker was riding 50% winners in big races. And Seattle Slew didn't like horses boxing him in. Look at the times. Horses can't beat them now. And Slew was a mess in the post parade. It was tremendous. The Taylor's (owners) were nasty and had it coming. 40,000 people were there. Slew got beat more than 25 lengths. 😊How dare they call California horses lesser than the east. Yeah right 😂
The perfect example of an undefeated in "Restricted" runner meets open company. Just like many before him, Seattle Slew didn't adjust to the class hike. And make no Mistake!!! On his good days, J.O. Tobin could run with anyone in history. Just wasn't always healthy.
158 and 3/5. Never came close to this performance any other time in his career. Hard to believe really.
Well Seattle Slew never came close to this performance either. It was just that amazing.
@@DanielSong39 trainer johnny adams had j.o. tobin primed for this race. out of the gate and the race was basically over.
@@harmonichebe JO was turned over to Laz Barrera not long after this race, so I think JO's training changed as well as the all important groom... He was never the same horse after this...
@@perryboatright6206 johnny adams obviously trained j.o. robin properly for this race. the splits at 3/4, the mile and the 1 1/4 in 1;58 and change are indicative of the tremendous effort for which the colt was primed. seattle slew ran many great races, j.o. tobin ran one.
@@harmonichebe I agree, as I said, once he was turned over to Laz he just didn't seem to be the same horse either, no Shoemaker after this I believe also...
He was champion 2yo in Britain in 1976 and was trained by Noel Murless and ridden by Lester Piggott in all of his races. He won the Richmond Stakes and Champagne Stakes and then on his final start finished 4th to Blushing Groom in the Grand Criteruim at Longchamp on heavy ground, had he won that race he would have stayed in England to be trained for the 2000 Guineas and would have delayed Murless's retirement. In my opinion he would have won the Guineas.
Ducking is a skill and that was the only way to avoid defeat on this day
Which performance was better, this one or General Assembly in the Travers?
Fortunately Spectacular Bid avoided that one, you see here what would've happened to him if the Bid had run
LOL
No way to know. Spectacular Bid would have been MUCH better rested than Slew was here, assuming the Travers was his first race back after the Belmont, in which he ran injured. The Swaps was only 3 weeks after the Belmont and Turner knew Slew was tired; the 1979 Travers was Aug. 18. Bid won his first race back after the Belmont (an allowance race in late August ) by 17 lengths. He owns the world record on dirt for 10 furlongs. Even if General Assembly had beaten him, I see no reason Spectacular Bid would have been outrun comparably to this.
@@marysueeasteregg Maybe Spectacular Bid only loses by 2-3 lengths (similar to what would've happened to Seattle Slew if he was at peak form)
Sometimes you just have to shake your head and give the other horse his due. Once in a while they run like a rocket and even all all-time great at his peak can't keep up.
@@DanielSong39 Oh, I agree. They can all be beaten, either by racing luck or by a good horse who gets hot.
I liked General Assembly, being a son of Secretariat, though I loved Bid in his own right. And I liked J.O. Tobin -- I thought he was prettier than Seattle Slew, lol. He actually entered stud at a higher fee than Slew did. I assume that changed fast, with Landaluce and Swale in Seattle Slew's first two crops. : ( : (
@@marysueeasteregg The bottom line is Slew lacked the kind of durability and resilence required to compete in and win large numbers of races with limited periods of rest in between the way horses like, say, Damascus or Round Table could. Secretariat and Citation also raced three weeks after the Belmont Stakes, just like Slew. Damascus raced only 2 weeks after the Belmont Stakes. The difference is those other three horses won easily while Slew got crushed.
Where is the chart of the race? Could someone post it
It's in the 1978 American Racing Manual, but that costs beaucoup bucks.
Slew's trainer Billy Turner never wanted to run Slew in the Swaps. He knew Slew was exhausted after winning the Triple Crown the month before. But his owners disagreed and Slew ran and floundered: You can see Cruguet pushing on Slew on the backstretch, well before the far turn. Clueless owners. Turner was later fired. That being said: No one was going to catch J.O. Tobin that afternoon. He was dead fit and on fire.
Let&s stop the BS. Seattle Slew has no business being in this race. He should have been on a 2 months vacation resting time. Those fuckin owners abused the horse then blame billy turner. Slew had just beatin H.O.Tobin in the Preakness.
*Seattle Slew has no business being in this race. He should have been on a 2 months vacation resting time* Like Slew, Secretariat and Citation competed in their next race after the Belmont Stakes, 3 weeks later. Damascus competed in his next race after the Belmont just 2 weeks later. The difference is those other horses won easily while Slew got crushed. In fact, Damascus competed in 4 races in the 2 months that followed his Belmont Stakes run. He didn't take a 2 month vacation. *Slew had just beatin H.O.Tobin in the Preakness* J.O. Tobin was a British horse used to running on speedy turf courses in England as opposed to slow east coast dirt tracks like Pimlico. Superfast west coast dirt courses, like Hollywood Park, suited him better. J.O. Tobin was on the top of his game in the Swaps. Unlike the Preakness where he started really slowly at the back of the pack, J.O. Tobin shot out of the starting gate like a bullet in the Swaps and never looked back. Slew was simply another in a line of great east coast horses that flopped when venturing to race out on the west coast.
What an awful, boring, uninformative call. He just kept listing the order with margins. No color. He could have noted that Slew was being ridden hard even on the far turn. Sad day for Slew, but he went on to prove himself an enduring great.
Well, what else was there? J.O. Tobin showed early speed, made a monster middle move, and closed all in the same race. He more or less did what California Chrome did in the Pacific Classic, only he did it a little better.
Stephen Wright I never realized it when I was a kid but now I watch these old replays and I realize how bad Harry Henson was. if he called races like that now he wouldn't even get a job at a dog track.
You have a point but race calling changed with Andy Beyer's focus upon trip handicapping, just as Harry Henson was winding down his brilliant career. Harry Henson will always be my favorite race caller. His vocal quality was electric and dramatic, he was in a class by himself, in his day.
@@radarrobbie SERIOUSLY? He was still the best ever
@@robbybonfire9944 You are correct. That was the style back then and I don't remember ever hearing one of his calls sound boring. His voice really was electric and dramatic.
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