Sony A9 III :: Global Shutter is REAL
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Sony has announced the first full frame mirrorless camera to use a global shutter. At 24 megapixels, the A9 III is aimed at sports photographers with a max shutter speed of 1/80,000 that supports flash sync, up to 120fps burst rate shooting speeds, 4k video up to 120p with no crop at all and much more.
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Ted Forbes
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It's still a CMOS sensor. CMOS can be made with a global shutter, it just affects the DR and noise performance of the sensor.
I’m hoping Sony stacked / BSI can get rid some of the downside :)
Also, the integration doesn't happen left to right, all pixels on a row (or group of rows) integrate at the same time. The 'rolling' is top to bottom only.
My main use case is live performance / concert / theatre stills in low/variable light environments, typically with high’ish ISO and where silent shutter is sometimes essential. I use an A9II coz it’s less prone to banding than anything else I’ve used and while it’s good it’s not invincible. Really interested to see how the A9III global shutter performs once we see production copies, but enjoyed your overview. Thanks 🙏
The 120 fps is for 1.5 seconds. I shot the Nikon Z9 in the 120fps mode jpegs only. The amount of files you get with just a five second burst is ludicrous. Never shot at 120 fps ever again. All this 120 fps is mostly MARKETING, and for spec geeks.
Heck I still shoot with my D850 and enjoy it the same as when I first picked up that camera.
No it's not for marketing mostly....... What you are missing is that you can shoot at say 10fps and then for a short beat you can hit a custom button on the grip and ho up to a higher value for even a fraction of a second. It is a game changer.
@@FredBGG
More half baked nonsense from Sony. Nothing new with this company.
$6K without tax for a 24mp half baked electronic device.
If Nikon "especially Nikon" or Canon released such a gimped device, they would have never heard the end of it.
120 fps, no one "that actually does photography" cares about 120 fps. Did you bother reading my post above, or you just read what you wanted to read then hastily responded. Which is the norm n with spec geeks like yourself.
Seems like this will easily be the standard for action photo and video use in the near future. Will send run and gun to a whole new level.
I mean for photos its never been a huge problem as long as ur shutter speed was high enough. But for videos way more impactful I think.
Game changer in the studio and using strobe outdoors as well for working professionals.
so in 10 years we went from a Mirror Box to Mirrorless and now in half that time we will see the demise of the Mechanical shutter 🤔
Stacked cmos is still rare in cameras, global shutter will be about as rare or even rarer. It is probably will be THE defacto top of the line sensor for flagships tho.
Finally getting rid of all the mechanical parts. Higher reliability and longevity, no worries whats the shutter count when buying the used camera. Future is bright :)
Nikon got rid of the mechanical shutter a few years ago with the Z9 and the most recent Z8.
@@jfphotography69they still have rolling shutter and slow flash sync though. They also suffer from catching any artificial light flicker.
The a9iii eliminates those issues
@@Cptredbeard2230
Have not experienced any rolling shutter issues. Do you even own the camera.
What a thoughtful commentary. Thanks.
There may be other benefits to a global shutter (eg rolling shutter), but honestly, 120fps doesn't seem like one. At that point, what is the photographer for other than being a sentient tripod? I do some wildlife photography with an Olympus EM1-iii, which has the vaunted "procapture" feature...never used it. On rare occasions I'll hold the shutter down for a low-speed multi-shot, but it's ultimately much more interesting, challenging, and satisfying to anticipate the action one shot at a time. Learn the target, learn the environment, trust your gut. Plus, when I get home I don't have to wade through even dozens of images, never mind hundreds or thousands.
Because you asked... This is an observation I've made on a couple other UA-cam reviews of this camera where the presenter made a comment to the affect of, "I don't think this camera will be for me but I'm excited for the future when this technology trickles down to more affordable cameras." To which I respond, "Well, maybe in 10 years." Consider it's been 6 1/2 years since Sony came out with the original A9 with the first full-frame stacked sensor. How many cameras has that technology "trickled down" to? Well, we have the Sony A1 that still costs even more than this A9iii will. And we have Canon and Nikon full-frame stacked sensors, again, only in their top of the line models.
So, my hope for the near future, meaning the next 1-3 years is that we start seeing full-frame stacked sensors in affordable cameras. I think we are a long way from seeing global shutter sensors in anything but the most expensive models because today, after 6 1/2 years, the full-frame stacked sensor is still only in the most expensive models.
Just my opinion.
I believe this will hurt sales of Sony's other high-end cameras because people will wait longer to upgrade if the A9 isn't enough for them.
I am a hardcore old-fashioned photographer from way back in the film days, Nikon F2 era etc. For me rolling shutter is a no-go which kept me from buying any camera that might have such a tendency. I shoot Leica M10 now and will keep doing that for a long time, I don't need nor want al the buttons and options (and choices) on most camera's. Having said that i think that the real global shutter sensor wil be a milestone in photography of the same magnitude as the introduction of the electronic/sensor camera as such. The sensor has grown up and has reached maturity.
So, in short, you didn't use any other cameras because... sensors have rolling shutter?
Sounds boring, and you must not be a professional.
Only noticeable pro I can think of, is flash speed sync, you no longer have to stay at 125th flash speed so it can sync with the shutter and not give you black bars on your shots.
Try stuff out, you'd be amazed at how great cameras are these days. Maybe not Nikon F2 & Company great, but those were the golden days for mostly everything in the world.
Great video. I am not surprised you took a few days to really let the technology sink in. One minor point The stacked sensor in Sonys A9, A9II and A1 are actually three layers. Same principle, just even faster than a dual layered design would be.
The A9 IV appears very clearly to be a sports/events photographers's dream body. Everybody else needs to hold off for a bit.
I am not willing to sacrifice noise performance for a global shutter.
Great review and some great bullet points to consider. Right now I shoot mostly static objects so the need for a high end global shutter really isn't there. But in all fairness we are also moving to the U.P. of Michigan and getting into wildlife photography so that might be beneficial. Unfortunately I shoot with a different body and we are looking at newer systems for my wife. Whether this is the answer I'll have to wait and see. I think the downfall for me is the high iso. Most of my shots are below 200 iso so this might be a problem. Great review though! Gives us things to consider as we move from dslr to mirrorless
It is amazing that they have created a camera with global shutter. As an owner of the A7S3 the rolling shutter has never been an issue. That being said I do the think the A93 is the best camera easily with the specs.
Hi Ted. Thanks for a great channel.
For me the ability to sync flash at any shutter speed is the big thing about this sensor. It's like going back to leaf shutter days.
I do value high dynamic range however, so like you I expect there will be a couple of generations before we see comparable DR with the best sensors of the moment.
I think the general sensitivity of these sensors is going to be somewhat lower. All this said Sony has done a fantastic job to get a camera out with this performance, so all praise to them.
A leap into the future of shutter-sensor union of taking high speed photography and stacked sensors is the key to perfection in images and with shutter responding with the entire sensor chunk is here to march ahead and eventually others will follow suit! The little uneasiness in the images would be successfully taken care of though it's not being a huge issue given the flexibility of the system! The split second second improvement of lag between the time of reaction and the moment of pressing shutter is what fast moving images worth getting for those who really need them! The flash synchronization all the way upto 18000th of the shutter speed is an achievement but it comes down to 1600th of the shutter speed when slave flashes have to be used; great, isn't it?!
Rumour Nikon has the Z9H rumoured to challenge Sony’s global shutter
Easily the best pre-review I have seen of the A9iii, Thanks Ted!
I wonder if we’ll start seeing lenses utilising the space left behind by the shutter. Are there new possibilited optically speaking because of this?
Yes, I want high speed shooting....120fps sounds great. "Sounds" great. How well does the autofocus keep up? How many of those frames are in-focus? Sure, if the subject says in the plane of focus the whole time, they're gonna be. But if the subject is either advancing or receding from the camera position...then what? That for me will be the real test of the value of 120fps.
Curious what the trade-off will be.We haven’t seen any raw’s yet!
Would love to see your high speed sync test later on
I was hoping that you would point out that global shutter captures an image faster than any film camera has ever been capable of as well (not just DSLRs or mirrorless). I feel most people will assume that global shutter is now only just at parity with film, rather than the fact that it's doing something that's never been possible (in full frame) before. The other interesting element is how many people this will benefit over a stacked sensor because if you don't shoot video or artificial light cameras like the A1 will still be the vastly superior option.
I wonder how the A1 owners feel about this camera.
Makes me excited for the next FX or whatever producer cam with a global shutter. One can wish, right?
It will come to the next fx series camera, also on A7s IV, that's for sure.
This first-generation global shutter technology will eventually produce massive changes in digital photography/videography. Firstly, the need for leaf shutters by Hasselblad and Leica could be rendered useless. The need for expensive manufacturing of leaf lenses will no longer be required. The concern is what sacrifices are made with this new sensor technology? I suppose the first generation will not produce the same dynamic range as the more developed previous sensors. Obviously, the A9 is an amazing tool for what it can do but, I still love my X2D and the images it produces. What are your thoughts?
Not really interested in the global shutter, but that new body complete with the dial on the top left would be great for the A7rvi when it comes out. The grip and overall size seems a lot better than the current A7 series.
as a professional fashion and beauty photographer we were used to flash sync speeds of 30th of a second on the pentax 67, 125th of a second on a 35mm film camera on a hasselblad C500 flash synced at 500th. of second so when sony introduced 400th of a second on the Alpha 1 it was a game changer for flash studio photographers now the A9 3 is the begining of new era of flash photography and video. imagine a medium format version of a global shutter Annie Leibovitz would be in heaven
Very true, but there is also the flash duration of flashes to be thought of ! The profoto pro 10 has a shortest flash duration of 1/80000 but only at 2,4ws …
With the AI noise removal available today, noise really isn't as much of an issue. I would be willing to bet this camera's noise at ISO 250 will clean up as well as any other camera's noise at ISO 100.
Me shooting my xt4 at iso 6400 during photowalks at night... and then wacking raw file through latest dxo photolab.
With every iteration of camera tech I feel more and more like I’m somehow ‘cheating’ in getting that perfect - especially in sports - action photo. It’s just too easy to take a very good picture if you understand and can control the basic rudiments of photography. The upshot for me is I shoot digital for work but film for personal projects and to keep my skills up.
Sony probably want sports photographers to be alerted to the fact that this camera is available soon. The Paris Olympics are next year.
My biggest interest in global shutter is how it could potentially solve the dilemma of big concert screens tearing. I shoot concert photography and electronic shutters produce ugly results so I switch to mechanical, which is better but still not perfect. Hopefully the global shutter will cure this ailment once and for all.
Curious is the camera has a sensor curtain like the Z9 ?
Jargon maze: Global Shutter and Rolling Shutter are two different implementations of APS (CMOS) technology, at least in many sensor manufacturers lingos.
Active Pixel Sensors (APS) got named CMOS for very strange reasons that makes almost no sense at all (CMOS is a digital chip technology, not a image sensor technology… kind of like saying “this road is made of concrete”, it’s technically true but kind of nonsense, doesn’t describe how it is used or works)…
APS is different from CCD in that there are multiple read out / amplifiers instead of a the strange stuff CCD did (pixel walking, copy pixel to the next pixel until you get to the single readout).
What I’m hoping for is that Sony using stacked / BSI (backside illuminated) sensors can overcome some of the traditional backsides to global shutter, as the read out paths doesn’t necessarily need to interfere with light collecting as much.
Looking forward to seeing what peoples experience with DR, raw, grading, really hoping Sony will deliver great on this sensor. I don’t need a new camera but the geek in me loves this development!
Obviously this is pretty crazy tech, but how many of us need this-given the cost?
People keep saying that 250 iso might not be as clean as 100 but it will be better cause they made the sensor to a point where at higher isos than other cameras with a 100 iso base start to show grain maybe this won’t.
I would think it will stay a premium feature for while to recoup R&D cost. Also, stacked sensors require the stacking-part of the manufacturing, which is currently the global bottleneck for AI chips. So it till take a couple of years for the manufacturing capacity to build up and then come down in cost per unit. Then I think we will see this tech in more mid range cameras. More interesting will be when compute and battery technology combined with global shutter will enable all the computational photography we know from smartphones to impact full frame cameras, like nightshot, HDR, image stacking for noise reduction etc
I like people, that don´t reakt to a hype!!!! Let´s wait and see!
Why cant i get my shutter speed to 1/80000 woth a 1.4 lens ? For taking a photo?
Although a Sony user I don't have any need for this. But I'm not the target group for this camera.
To me, it's a technological step forward. But 24 Mpx and a base ISO of 250 are two of the reasons I think this is not an achievement yet. The next episodes will be interesting though. I heard no mention of the price, by the way. And unless you're a hard core sport photographer, there shouldn't be a lot of occasions when you need 1/80000. And in case you do, hiring one of these babies might be a better option than burning down your savings.
Canon 1d classic has a global shutter - old news
Almost six grand for the body. I wonder what a full frame body with just the minimum settings with a global shutter would run? I typically am a landscape shooter and don't need all the bells, whistles and video.
In the stove now, A9IiiX, little brother of A9Iii, everything in halve or so; THE MAIN POINT? THE PRICE TAG! Will crushed everybody else, $2500 !!! Restrictions? Just as the BIG BROTHER,
Stay tune!!!!
Hi Ted. I'm about to buy my first Sony. By the price, I choose a A7íi. Am I going to the right direction?
Yeah
Personally if you can I would buy the A7 iii. It’s a drastically better camera in my opinion for a relatively affordable price
But my wallet does not agree. The difference today is 600$ for only 4k video. Or am I wrong ?
@@MachadoMadeiras I believe there’s some Autofocus and lowlight improvements as well so you won’t grow out of it as fast but if you are tight on a budget then A7ii with a nicer lens would definitely be a better combo than an A7iii and a crappy kit lens!
Thanks for the tips.
We want high resolution sensors that have better iso performance really. There has been no improvement for years. Sort out millions of images, who wants that. We want the highest possible image quality and Sony has not yet delivered a camera that really made a leap forward in that.
I dont need global shutter but if i i would buy this camera it would be for video as global shutter is great for video. On the other hand it would maybe better to wait for a fx version of this one.
nice
It was wise to choose a sports camera for the first generation of global shutter. Speed is paramount and dynamic range and ISO (is they are, indeed, affected), and high resolution not so important. The $6,000 price tag and base ISO of 250 will keep people who don't really need a sports camera from buying it and trashing it on You Tube. A good start for global shutter. I can't wait until it trickles down. Hopefully it will become affordable.
What ??
A9 |||. I got all excited. I thought it was s software update. Own a A9 ||. Like to step up but my A9 || pays the bills
leica m6 ttl vs leica m6 2022?
26.01.2024 premiere ~ Sony Japan
Stunning camera. Apart from that Micro USB port in 2024.
I need a joint and a zen sound bath to calm down from this high speed blabla.
Hi Ted. I am so tired of 10 different camera channels uploading the same fucking video about the same subject because of embargoes. It's not theirs or yours problem. But I watched this video because it wasn't posted the exact same fucking day as the others. Why? I am a Nikon and Leica user, don't really care about Sony. But you took your time and uploaded a video. Which made me re-think my view/stance/bias. It might not be better for your channel in short terms, or even long terms, but I watch almost all your other videos, except the ones that are "embargo release reviews".
Can't wait for *CANON* to go GS, as they usually do things right (I mean properly) after Sony invents something... 😁
Sony puts you up, glowing review. Sony is smart! 🤣
This camera pushes almost every limit in terms of application. Personally, however, I think the strategy of focusing 80% on sports and action is wrong! The real key point is that I can work with the flash at any time, THAT enables much MORE. I can always expose correctly with the crappiest flash - the poor flash manufacturers.....
24.6 MP is ridiculous! I'm sure Sony just wanted to get something out there quickly, it shows what they are capable of now and also takes a lot of money out of the customer's pockets. For my part, I'll wait and see. The time between new launches is getting shorter and shorter and soon this model will be available for less than half the price on the second-hand market. It is foreseeable that Sony already has the successor model on the launch list, with an improved sensor, 33 or 44MP, and then things will get really interesting! Greetings from Germany.
why is 24mp ridiculous? sure from a marketing perspective more is more, and we'd all rather camera manufactures keep developing new tech... but i'm looking at a landscape photo shot on an A9 printed on A1 paper and its not lacking for detail. people comparing it to the lack luster canon r3 probably blame the low mp for the poor sales but i think its probably more to do with the 2 different card slots and what a pain in the ass it is for a workflow.
for sports its fine. being able to use a normal speedlight at full strength is a win for journalism even if you're just using it for fill to kill a colour cast - it means less photos needing editing and will help bring back honesty/value to the profession
Is the A9iii for me, no 24mp is not really enough for wildlife. I do love the dial setting for the "*" as that fixes a big complaint I have had with the A9 and A1.
What I think would be the next big thing that a global shutter could allow is that you now could read different sections of the sensor at different times which would mean that you could change the shutter speed and ISO for different parts of the image, basically the perfect cut in camera filter. This would all be many years out and probably only useful for a few photography styles.
Get that gfx 100 mark 2 100mp lol
Isn't it interesting that photography has been doing fine and well before global shutter? I can look at sport photographs for the past 20 years, using DSLR and Mirrorless cameras, and they look perfect, from F1 racing, to Downhill skiing, and martial arts.. This, and other technologies (50MP/100MP sensors), 1/80,000 sec, are created mostly for those who want to slap a tech label on their cameras. Very few photographers can benefit from these technologies. Photography was never about the camera, the lens yes, but the camera certainly not. There are photos taken with a Canon T3i that will blow most people's mind. Tired of this tech race, tired of auto this, and auto that. I did climb that bandwagon a while back but realized that there was no end, so I settled on a 24MP APS-C sensor camera, and 10MP APS-H sensor camera, and the lenses are exceptional., the rest is up to me.
This will really be a gamechanger for all of the sportsphotographers out there…
I do far more video these days, so I’m more curious to see how they choose to implement global shutter in their cinema style bodies. I’m also interested to get some real head to head comparisons with other cinema cameras as relates to dynamic range and overall image quality. Also, one thing I can say for sure , I don’t buy cameras with CFExpress type a cards. It’s just not going to happen.
I don’t think this kind of camera is for Ted’s type of photography.
is this good camera for an incel?
It's weather-sealed so Dorito dust shouldn't affect it.
No incels should only sketch their subjects
So you did criticise nikon when abandoned the mech shutter, now couse its a sony is game changer !
Please tell me why we are having a review of something 99.9% will never buy. Yet the people who will buy aren’t going to be swayed by what You tubers think
It's interesting. This tech eventually will trickle down the line up. It's a sneak peak to a feature that could become commonplace down the road.
Exposed all at once, just like film.
99 procent of photographers won't benefit from global shutter.
Global Shutter and no flippy screen....🤌🤌🤌
you didnt watch the whole video it has the same as the A7RV
@@ItsEzlan You are right! I only watched the first part of the vid. Apologies!