Mydei powercreeps blade and dhil Castorice powercreeps seele and aglaea Sunday powercreeps sparkle and bronya Phainon is rumoured physical destruction,so Clara and yunli powercreep And these are just examples of *direct* power creep, not just overall power level but as well element and path or gameplay powercreep. When Acheron released she could clear all endgame with ease even without lightcone or Jiaoqiu, these days no Jiaoqiu and lightcone is going to make you struggle in clearing the endgame. Same goes for the break team with fugue and lingsha, or even boothill with Sunday. Idk why it’s even an argument that powercreep doesn’t exist when you need to invest so heavily in new supports to make your team viable for even just a few patches more, and a lot of people lose 50/50s or invest in new comps not allowing them to do so.
TBH this was my first time trying MOC like really try no just one time and see how many stages I got, This time I decide to see if I can beat the MOC cuz I said when I began to never care about dumb things like endgame. Bro I did it and I saw the jades... it wasn't worth it at all, I'll pull for What I want, my teams can clean the adventure and missions, I can clean some Endgames without trying hard if not it isnt like I am loosing 30 tickets. I'll pull for whatever I want and that it is, because What it is the point for pulling for Robin when I hate her fucking song when I have sunday and still use Asta cuz I love everything about her even if sometimes She is emotional supporting me
So far only Sunday powercreeping Bronya is DIRECT powercreep and the rest is not. And it makes sense, Bronya is not limited, she's a default banner characters. Just like Yunli powercreeping Clara. We have no idea on Castorice's kit but she's supposed to run very different teammates and a very different archetype than Aglaea. Sparkle is better than Sunday at buffing a monoquantum team and all her buffs besides the crit dmg are team-wide instead of single target like Sunday, so she's better at team-wide buffs. The moment we get a new monoquantum DPS that's better than Qingque, she will shine at her own archetype over Sunday. We don't know enough of Mydei's kit to know if he powercreeps blade. What if he runs _with_ Blade and Luocha and makes them good again? We don't know. Phainon surely wouldn't run FuA and counter again. So he's probably gonna run with different BiS supports that are NOT just Robin and that stuff. So there's basically no DIRECT powercreep other than default banner 5 stars or 4 stars. Not limiteds. At least not so far. There's definitely indirect powercreep through better and better archetypes, though. But I disagree with the direct powercreep part, that's just untrue, the kits are vastly different and most archetypes didn't get fully tapped into and are missing dedicated supports.
The thing is even if he made a f2p account rn he would pull the newest dps and robin and still wouldn't get our points. After months or almost a year he'd then finally realise his older DPS are no longer viable.
@@enrique9773cannot believe that I had to pull for Dps and support units back to back to clear endgame contents since the beginning of 2.X I hope your comment is a sarcasm, same as mine
I was pretty flabbergasted when I saw that tweet last night. Not only is it denying something that is an inherent (and intended) design flaw in pretty much all gachas but it's denying blatant value increases that he himself has COVERED in multiple videos. This is like some crash-out take he did. Considering the other CCs he surrounds himself with, I'm not really surprised he's taking a more incendiary approach to content but I'm also a bit disappointed since I like some guide videos he makes since he's like the only more notable CC who covers that niche.
It's not a crash out, it's intentional drama baiting. Quite a few CCs are trying to emulate Tectone in the hopes of quickly growing their channel. Whether you like it or not, the numbers show that drama content gets a lot more views than regular guides and discussions about the game.
@@FouCh-q2p At least for him specifically I at least gave him some benefit of the doubt since he makes actual genuine guide videos so he comes off as a more reliable speaker of the metagame even though he will get into fuckshit drama bait. But what he's tryna do rn contradicts a lot of his previous more genuine-sounding sentiments so I guess I'll have to watch more of people who just mind they own business and focus on the guides and constructive discussions.
its annoying cus the cc that said that is literally a whale i think if ur going to say theres no powercreep and players are the problem you should at least have a f2p account to back up your takes with evidence
@@Elfconthe hp inflation didn’t start kicking in significantly until around 2.3 or after, and new players don’t have an issue clearing endgame since they have a ton of access to jades from the main story line and planets. It’s completely different when you’re limited to the pulls given within a patch vs a new player farming hundreds of pulls off the old planets and events. Even currently if someone were new in 2.7 they could instantly get a herta and aglaea comp by pulling sunday>herta>aglaea>lingsha
Quitting all hoyo games was one of the best decisions I took last year. Was an avid paying player of GI, Hi3 and HSR. I didn't even dared to try ZZZ because i knew sooner or later they're also gonna go the same way. The only gacha game i play currently is Wuthering and im happy with how much better things are here.
I quit all except HSR and I will drop it for sure if it keeps up. I am pretty happy with WuWa as well because I started that from day one and I have fun with old units the same as with the new ones.
I've heard that a lot of people lost many 50/50s in a row. Why don't they do what Genshin did and a system where u can't lose more than 2 50/50s in a row
@@o00o45No Genshin has something called as Capturing Radiance mechanic where you can't lose more than 3 50/50s With recent findings it has a separate counter where once it hits 3 50/50 loss you are guranteed to get the next 50/50 to be a win, once you use Capturing Radiance instead the counter starting from 0 it starts the counter from 1 (so effectively you can lose 2 50/50s and win the 3rd one). This system does not impact the standard old gurantee. It's just to prevent you from losing 4+ 50/50 in a row
@@sketter766 that sounds really good as a mechanic. We definitely need that for sure. I hope everyone writes about it in the next feedback and that hoyo listens
Those content creators need to understand that we also have life outside this game. Their job is literally making content about hsr. We don't have the luxury of spending that much time on this game, on top of making money on it.
reruns dosnt really mean much. The more character you have in the game the more reruns you need. It doesnt speed up powercreep. But a lot of people get baited paying the same price for an old character rerun instead of a newer better character.
Guide makers like him would've told you to pull for jingliu or SW. You are then advised to pull for their eidolons and LC (he tweeted how stupid it is to pull e0s0 and complain) . Hundreds of pulls spent. 5 months later they drop to the lowest tier, yet units that were 'skippable' such as Topaz are now suddenly top tier. 'DHIL killer' Jingliu now rotting 2 tiers below him.
Power creep is bound to happen in a Gacha game. The true problem that HSR has is that the rate of power creep has been accelerating. And as we know it’s only getting faster and not slower. This is disheartening and honestly as a light spender I will stop spending after Castorice and maybe end up quitting.
@ no but I won’t support a game that’s rampantly accelerating their power creep. If more players quit and their revenue drops that’s the only way they will listen. Or at the very least I won’t be spending money. Depends how good the story is
I agree with you, as they really powercreep characters so fast. I spent a lot of money on older units only to be powercrept after 3-4 months, it's really disheartening so I will stop spending money instead and not care about their endgame. Will just focus on the story instead.
A Singaporean on him was out. A first world person can tell me I was stupid because I don't have the money enough to get everyone with all the LC and still has all the resources to level them and mac the traces and still farm for good Relics... Like be fucking serious
with losing a lot of 50/50s, the story telling being not the best and the disappointment that i had when the moc before was clearable but now i can't anymore, not only that, if i want my team to be top tier to clear i need to put for certain "meta" chars instead of chars i want, then i quit, zzz and wuwa are good for now
Imma call it. Hunt is gonna get dumpster in 3.x. They'll add mechanics to buff erudition and other aoe comps including DoT. I'd say with something similar to the trotter debuff this reset. So FX and Topaz are gonna get benched while Robin and Aventurine will work with Sunday in Remembrance comp. Everyone who dried their account to build their FUA team literally last patch are getting fked. I'm skipping the entire 3.0. The first Remembrance character will fall off within 2 patches considering HSR's pacing with powercreep. So better save for a Sunday rerun if you don't have him and get the dps that's released with his rerun
In some comparison for other gacha games when it comes to powercreep Arknights: I can clear an entire event/story campaign inculding "EX mode" with just year 1 Operators Fate/Grand order: Can clear "Challenge quests" with a free year 2 servant along with some free SR supports and an SSR that can be picked freely from starting out fresh. And we have HSR here having characters falling off in just half a year after release just because its numbers are lower than newer ones. This game has a worse balancing issue than Moba games like League and Dota, I've seen gimmicks in newer content from games done better to suit the entire roster of a game
If we are talking about powercreep, isnt it good that your older team everyone says is useless (dot) cleared faster than the “best team” feixiao? Also although enemies are almost the same, the trotters make this moc more aoe friendly and worse for fx. Im with you with HP inflation being an issue, this is just food for thought
Ive been saying the same about it being AOE friendly (because of herta and aglea) A surprising amount of people dont seem to understand that. The HP increase on the boss is offset entirely by the presence of the trotters, and even if Feixiao focuses the trotters you will likely just overkill them and waste damage, this is not a mechanic built for Hunt hypercarry comps, its built for comps with frequent AOE attacks.
@@NS_Var no because this moc is the best possible scenario for my dot team and I have the premium version of it with lightcones and it’s still clearing at the same amount of cycles as an moc not targeted towards feixiao without her bis team. After this moc dot will likely go back to performing terribly while the new aoe dps’s in 3.0 completely smash all content, though it was a bit of fresh air being able to use a different team aside from Acheron and feixiao for once.
Literally. Same with tier list. Content creators with every character and their light cones ( and additional eidolons) will say “there’s no point in building this character because you can just get this character”… as if 1. The character is not limited, and 2. As if you can afford spending jade on that character at the time…
The future of HSR difficulty is making the player base collect units to build specific team comps that can solve the mechanics efficiently. They’ll ramp up the HP as the “difficulty” but make the reward for effectively triggering the endgame mechanics a huge boost in damage either directly or through buffs. This makes the predatory rerun banners make sense and why premium DoT shelved premium FuA. It’s similar to the feeling of losing a round of cards against humanity
Even though there is this new trotter mechanic that favors AOE units and cripples hunt units that is why Feixiao fell, the new mechanic still doesn't cut it. 0-1 cycling to 4 or 5 cycling is a lot. And my Acheron with her best team did the same cycle with last MOC with Svarog even though today's MOC favors her more. My Firefly sustainless with HMC Fugue and RM used to 1 cycle Svarog last time, now she can only 2 cycles it, that is with some rng. So it doesn't only happen to Feixiao and hunt units, even though they got the worst end. My friend list in HSR all have increasing cycle use, varying from 7-10, even if they don't use Fei. This is only telling that hoyo will not stop the hp increase and I cannot imagine what it will be like in 3.X
"Having 3 characters in a rerun is good," said the CC with an account that gets free jades from his viewers from time to time and has disposable income. And for anyone who argues with "Just pull for supports since they barely get powercreeped" I have every support in my account with RM and Robin not having their signature LC and I have to clear content with my dps which are the following: Seele, Dr. Ratio, Feixiao, Argenti, and Himeko for PF. And I still struggle to clear every endgame content, almost like they're trying to gatekeep resources
I was wondering if this HP increase was due to the trotters because otherwise it would have been the easiest MoC ever. From what I remember I personally find every MoC with trotters easier that the MoC with simply buffs.
I believe that powercreep is 100% prominent in HSR and its likely to get worst in the coming patches once anniversary characters like Castorice arrives since they'll heavily market them, but to play a bit of devil's advocate here, I feel like that in this specific MOC, the HP inflation was purposely done for the trotter mechanics. Anyways, I've seen some leaks that the devs are likely gonna focus more on AOE/blast content which is probably an aim to promote characters like Tribbie, Herta, Mydei, but I feel like once Castorice comes around, she'll be the talk of the town and the one being favoured (Which has been the trend for HSR to promote marketable characters and make more money). If I'm being honest, might actually just drop end game altogether and just play HSR once there are new story/event updates and just focus my resources on ZZZ or even Wuwa, since HSR endgame feels like the least rewarding and the hardest to keep up.
Just to throw more fuel to the fire: My Firefly team: 0 Cycle on Svarog + auto My **E2S1 DHIL TEAM:** 7 cycles :) And i am the guy that defeated Aventurine on MOC 12 with March 7th solo sustain + Luka solo DPS... Bro.. We should fear the day my Firefly team can't even 5 cycle. Edit: Caelus got his cardio up to date
7 cycles for e2s1 Daniel team is genuinely awful like you must either have a bad rotation or a bad team or lying because there’s no shot it took that long
HSR reminds me trading cards games, like MTG or YGO. We have the same powercreep effect as the games get older, news cards have nothing in common with the early released ones.
If I had to guess it’s that XQC-but-Chinglish dude? The guy that contradicts his own self with another minute saying “I trust you bro, do it” and the minute after that proceeded to say “he is so stupid, why he did that lorrr”
And the fact that so many characters got powercrept on their rerun is so annoying. If I lose a 50/50 trying to build a certain archetype with two or three 5 stars (which obv they put together in a single banner) I have to wait again for so long and on their first rerun when they already release new characters that disqualify that one we needed so there is no reason to pull that one again, and we have to build a new archetype from the beginning again. Ofc this also happens because they balance enemies HP to newest characters, this is very disrespectful and scummy.
How dare you say that the powercreep is a problem in HSR? I have 2 teams and can clear MOC perfectly. You just need to pull wisely and invest in your characters. Frankly people complaining about the triple rerun banners are greedy F2P and low spenders who want to get all characters. They need to understand that Gacha games are predatory. If they cannot bear, they just need go leave. " I'm sure someone will say those arguments soon to prove they are the smartest players of the community...
@@vinny_s those are the arguments I got when I pointed out the first triple rerun banners and got it again with the current double triple rerun banners I said it to avoid an enlightened one said it 😂
Your reviews on Honkai: Star Rail are always so honest and direct! I really appreciate how you cut through the hype and give balanced, thoughtful opinions. Keep up the great work-your content is always a highlight for me!
I agree on the points mentioned here, but one thing I do wanna mention is that I feel like people are low key not seeing and idk forgetting that theres a gimmick at least for the current moc with the trotters doing dmg to the enemies. Maybe nothing crazy but still wanna point that out.
I think people aren't bringing it up because it's a flawed concept on it's own. The game is scoring you on how few cycles you can clear in, but the gimmick (trotters) requires a cycle to end for more to spawn. This is just counterintuitive design.
@Somewhere_Else_ sure yeah idk it's tough to see where they're gonna do with the game in the future cuz honestly not a lot of people are happy with what's going on for awhile but we'll see.
@@kliphord123X Yeah, I guess the only thing people can do is mention it in the surveys they send out at the end of a patch. If enough people bring up their grievances, hopefully they do something to address it.
@@Somewhere_Else_ yeah like I'm no hoyo glazer or anything but tbh I kinda genuinely do care for the game but the whole hp inflation and power creep needs to be addressed but yeah. I'll still be playing casually lol but idk about other people.
@@Somewhere_Else_ Valid but also the devs are likely not designing the fights around zero cyclers (and they shouldnt btw). The thing is the MOC has and always will be built towards the current newest character in order to promote and sell them essentially. The only solution I could think of is turn the trotter mechanic into how it is in pure fiction but at that point you just have two different PF modes. And since we are getting back to back AOE carries in 3.0 with one side tailored for each then yeah its a no brainer that people are struggling with their FUA single target monkey brain comps, its just not built in a way for them to do well. People need to stop trying to fit a square into a triangular hole
Don't want to be the bad guy and I agree the powercreep is pretty hard if you don't invest carefully but the reason your feixiao cleared slower is simply because this moc favors a lot of aoe or blast, to help promote The Herta.
@@KirigayaHayato leakers have said they will keep making the endgame more aoe focused in the future patches as well, that’s why I mentioned it as it’s likely to be something that carries on for a while
@@_Gabimaru This is only likely the case though since they're promoting the Herta for a decent amount of future patches, but will eventually focus more on the mechanics favouring new characters to promote the anniversary character Castorice, since she's likely going to be the next big marketed character.
@@JoxTheMash29There are further leaks saying that future enemies will have summons as well, and they are going to implement a "rows" system. With that you're pretty much guaranteed to fight multiple enemies. It's pretty obvious that we're going in AoE meta, and it will not end on Herta. Even Mydei have ways to deal with multiple enemies.
Very valid points about powercreep. But I have to disagree about acheron. She is not a ditched unit by any means or fell off really hard. Well YES, new stronger comps appeared, but she's still one of most used dps characters that can clear every mode. Mind you last as and moc she had way more usage rate than feixiao. JQ is a very big upgrade for her because she does twice her dmg with him.
That isnt power creep. Feixiao always struggled in AOE. The trotters, promote AOE. DOT didnt get a buff; it is suited for AOE scenarios. The reason moc is more aoe focused, is to push herta and rappa. We are basically getting to an aoe meta. That isnt power creep, its match up oriented. Thus pokkes statement on poor choices people make sometimes. Power creep, is something like Yunli an Clara comparison. THAT is power creep. Or Aglaea likely better than jing yuan. Yes, that is absolutely power creep. But feixiao struggling specifically in aoe focused content isnt power creep; especially when older characters do it better but didnt get any buffs.
I guess Hsr players just getting the L each patchs without knowing that they're getting the L Or they just refuse to knowing that until Hsr just becomes Hi3 ==> In short, Hoyo just being Greedy *again* if you guys still ignoring it
I'd love to see a CC claiming power-creep isn't real do a zero cycle with only version 1 characters. :) Fact is streamers, CCs, influencers - people who play this game for a living - are not on the same level as low spenders or F2P. They don't really get it - it's not their fault - but I wish they kept in mind more often. E1/E2, S1 characters aren't in the accounts of a F2P or low spender unless it's our only E2/S1. We can't relate or spend to keep up (nor do we want to).
although I agree that the powercreep in hsr is bad and the CCs have their own warped reality of the powercreep in hsr, I fully disagree with everything else you said. Acheron is still decent f2p without Jiaoqiu and ive been having no problems playing her in endgame without Jiaoqiu on my account. You even said yourself your Acheron kinda sucks so why are you surprised that you are struggling? If you maybe used different characters as examples like maybe Blade I would be more on your side but it just seems like you're complaining that all characters cannot be used in endgame unless they have their BIS support which is not true if you have decent investment in relics and stats.
As a genshin player I’m happy y’all are finally realising HSR only gives “more” rewards (20 extra on average)because you have to constantly pull characters meanwhile my HuTao from 1.3 can still clear content with her old vape team with 1minute to spare for the whole chamber
Anyone ever considered that Pokke is trolling you all? That the reaction he's getting from the community is exactly what he wanted? In his video talking about the drama he's isn't even trying to argue his point but being like "change my mind, change my mind xD" while having a blast over how worked up people get
Pokke and Iyo had absolutely horrible takes, and powercreep is definitely bad in HSR. That being said, the reason why your Feixiao team takes longer to clear is that you didn't optimize your runs. DoT is significantly less punishing when you don't play well. I personally have been able to replicate 3 cost Feixiao 0-cycles on every single MoC stage, including the current ones. If you want fast clears, I'd advise to do the research and farm specialized relics. You have plenty of time since you don't pull a lot of characters. Great videos though, keep it up!
i guess its like more how the format beneficts the characters than "the new characters are better" otherwise dot and acheron would never outperform feixao. it still sucks
Powercreep is definitely getting out of hand im just not gonna spend money on this game anymore if the character is just going to be powercrept in 2 or 3 patches from now on if I don't get the character then I dont get the character and thats that
HSR runs 16 banners in a single patch and the patch itself doesn't gives you enough pulls to guarantee a single one of them then these hoyo white knights calling people greedy. 💀😂
this MoC strongly favoured AOE units and colourless break (no surprise: fugue current banner + the herta/jade upcoming). Hunt units have to choose between damaging the trotter or going for the boss directly. HP was increased to compensate for a much stronger resonance when played into as they intended. That's why your feixiao performed much worse.
I 100% agree with all you said. I really hate the 50 50 system even more here(in my opinion it should be deleted in star rail and have all 5 stars guaranteed like for ex in punishing Grey raven but I doubt it will ever be possible cuz gacha game). For instance, I lost my 50 50 on sunday,lingsha and aventurine and it really sucks they really give us too little gems for us to keep up with this crazy powercreep rate😢 And another problem i'd like to mention is that they released too few 4 star characters in the entirety of 2.x patches and this is a missed oportunity to make 4 star alternatives for meta 5 stars like aventurine for example Sorry if my rant is too long😅
How does sunday powercreep sparkle? I know with summon units thats a different story but in general? With other units sparkle and bronya give more damage output with their E ability alone. I havent done much testing on the ultimate's yet but im really curious
better aa,skill buff lasts longer (although weaker), ult isnt even a competition as he gives energy and 78% CD, passive gives 20 crit rate which neither bronya or sparkle do (this is assuming both at 220 CD) sparkles atk buffs are decent but theres a reason most just run a robin alongside sunday as she covers that as well. almost all dps's prefer er,crit and better aa over atk buffs and if you get his lightcone it isnt even a competition. most of his kit is locked behind summon units too. the sp neutrality and positivity with lightcone makes him an automatic bronya replacement as you can assure 100% skill uptime without costing sp and his overall buffs even not including the er are better
Yeah its the moc buffs along with the hp rising. It dodnt affect firefly and acheron much, but feixiao felt it straight away. You arent wrong tho, at this point only whales should get eidelons and thats e1 as well. The game is going the same way as hi3 and the rules are this - do not pull rerun characters. - eidelons only increase a a characters viability by 2 patches, if you have max eidelons then you get a few more. - but hi3 is a competitive game unlike hsr. So just pull for units you want that can clear content. Dont get eidelons and in most cases dont get lcs. Dont pull reruns cant stress this enough unless its a broken supoort.
I like your takes and i agree, when I see other honkai tubers making guides and using their characters with e2-4-6 every patch i cringe. as a low spender you can't get a e0s1 almost even in 3 patches, cuz you might lose 50 50 on char banner and/or lose 75 25 on light cone banner, so you will most of the time pull for character and use a free 5* light cone or 4*. i believe that all 4 characters in first 2 patches will be irrelevant in 3.4 already. mydei is a hp scaling crit dps, from leaks, castorice is same but with summon so she's better already and she might even have true dmg mechanic which seems to me to be next super break meta. aglaea is instantly power crept already and castorice didnt even release. i believe rappa is better herta, so if you have rappa in super break team, no reason pulling for herta, idk about tribbie but her kit seems extremely bad/mid, only if her AA dmg is high will she be good, otherwise there are plenty of better supports
The only people who dont have to be concerned with powercreep is the people that only play the story mode. If you are the player that want max rewards for endgame content yeah you cant escape the powercreep.
Ah yes, Mr. Pokke, the guy who called someone's Feixiao *decent* after a 400K ult (yes,in his eyes 400K ult is decent) I wonder if him being friends with Tectone, another rage baiter/drama farmer, is influencing him.
I think the devs are trying to make it hard for people to 0, 1 cycles but not too hard for people to 3 star moc by making the moc buff stronger and more hp. Just so it's not too boring for whales and make whales whale more.
At first it didn't bother me but now when I played current MoC and first half of floor 12 is taking so damn long I gave up on doing it, I definitely felt the push to "pull Lingsha" which idm her but currently I want to save and the fact they keep powercreeping to push agendas of pulling certain characters just for them to immediately become irrelevant is insane. They GOTTA fix it or I feel like I'm gonna be like everyone else with this one and quit the game fr, like rn I definitely feel burnout from HSR from the amount of powercreep in the game while in their other games u can just play any character u want and clear content but for HSR u NEED a certain character to clear content or you're screwed. Now the issue with that is I hard pity EVERY 5 star in this game and I got real tired of it so I just want to save for Fate collab. HSR really gotta get their shit together and do something about this or it's joever fr.
This is hi3rd part 2 characters all over again. Aside from one or two limited characters like Herrscher of Finality, all of the character rooster is useless compared to the new units. Ofc aside from 2 all are limited banners and require each other for optimal team comps.
If Phanon powercreeps both Clara and Yunli, I might quit the game. Clara is my main character and TBH, the whole idea of Phanon powercreep is concerning. But I will wait and see
I use E2S1 Clara but common a 3.X Character powercreeping a 1.0 Standart banner Character is totally normal if he wouldn't they should just not release him at all
I'm pretty sure phanon will have different kit compared to Clara and he might be around 10-15% stronger than yunli and might have summons but he is definitely going to deal more DMG then Clara if their kit is similar cause Clara's a standard, there's no denying that. But just cause phanon is physical doesn't mean he will have same kit as Clara and yunli, keep that in mind. Personally I want him to be very good cause it's been a long time since we had hot men 🥵
We don't know about him much, just physical destruction and it also can be untrue I remember when Yunli got leaked as physical character everyone was saying she's gonna powercreep Boothill, did she? Also Fugue being fire Nihility, did she powercreeps Jiaoqiu?
Aylmao. Blud expected feixiao to perform the EXACT same in a new moc. Players that don’t learn that your character will be Bad in Moc not meant for them will cry till they stop playing You didnt pull for Meta, you wont clear Like that.
I loved the game but this powercreep is detaching me more and more from the game. I think it would have been so good if the new characters heavily buffed the old characters but that's not the case
My acheron is even better than your, 4k atk, 58/250 crit. Just like you I don't have Jiaoqiu and my acheron can't even 4 cycle against aventurine last moc.
The power creep and other stupid decisions by the devs, is killing the game. Power creep should not happen so quickly that characters and teams can go from zero cycling to struggling to even clear with 1 star before that character even gets a rerun or even has a full team comp yet. By the time a DPS has a rerun, they're already so crept that you're better off dropping them than getting eidolons even though the whole point of that system is supposed to be to keep your favorite characters relevant. Add in things like over half the male characters being imaginary just screwing over certain players for no reason when gacha are supposed to get you to pull because you like the characters, not strong arm you into pulling ones you don't want just so you can clear content. It's a mess, the game is a mess, the fact we go into MOC and nothing mechanically is really different, it's Svarog again, just with trotters, Propagation again, and it's just "harder" because they inflate the enemy stats. It's not fun even, it's purely a numbers check at this point. Do you have the new characters built(and a lot need their LC or eidolons now to even come out in a strong enough position), because if you don't, your multipliers can literally just not be high enough to do this anymore.
I hate hoyo and I agree powercreep is a thing but it’s not to the point of people not being able to clear the content. If yall want the rewards you have 10 cycles to do so and any limited dps can achieve this and there’s even 4star only runs that can do this. I myself am someone who hasn’t pulled a dps since Acheron. Acheron is my ONLY meta dps 2.X past dps otherwise all my other dps are 1.X units. With a little bit of vertical investment i achieved 2 total cycles needed to clear the 2.7 MOC without optimizing the rotation and running crazy 171 speed eagle set stuff. Without the vertical investment it would prob take me 5-6 cycles and I’d get the same rewards it’s no big deal… I used Acheron phase 1 and JL phase 2. I’m not gonna sit here and say the new herta wouldn’t absolutely destroy my JL in performance but she still cleared true sting as a flawed 1.X unit 🤷🏼 I’m a welkin BP spender and I never feel like I struggle in end game. I also have 0 limited erudition chars and get full rewards on pf. No break chars and get over 7k points every apoc rotation.
1. True Aventurine is best sustain for FeiXiao Team but not the best for 0 cycle enemies with lot of HP, try FeiXiao, Robin, March Hunt/Topaz and Bronya. (there are videos of other youtubers using this team to 0 cycle the current 2.7 MoC in case you don´t believe me) 2. I have seeing people do 0 cycle even with JingYuan/Boothill team which mean each MoC is good for different team and this MoC is for AoE/super Break dmg (super break now days need Fugue for max dmg), yeah you use Kafka team but Kafka team is not good unless the MoC benefit DoT team which in this MoC is not, you can´t hope to build 2 team and hope to do every single endgame content with that, as f2p you must finish building 2 teams till endgame level or semi endgame then continue buiding other, if you build many at the same time then you will never get a endgame team. 3. 50/50 is always a problem and it doesn´t happen to everyone, I win 50/50 on FeiXiao and Robin rerun with FeiXiao (loose on lighcone banner) 4. In turn base gacha game new dmg dealer will always powercreep old one that´s why one must focus more in Support/Buffers since it´s very rare/take time to powercreep them, like you said Sunday powercreep Sparkle and Bronya but look how many patch it took to do it and doesn´t mean you can´t use Sparkle or Bronya in other team because you can´t use Sunday in 2 team at the same time. Pd: I didn´t write this to make fun of anyone but to try and give some tips, some people might think Im defending the company but I recommend you to try other turn base games(plural) (instead of comparing it with Genshin that is not a turn base game) and you will see what real powercreep means.
@@enrique9773 1. I already mentioned the sustainless runs for feixiao with e1 robin on yt in the video, sustainless runs are way too rng and you die too much 2. I don’t have a superbreak team or other aoe dps due to lost 50/50s, only Acheron and kafka 3. Im aware, however you shouldn’t build your endgame around people who get lucky with 50/50s and characters and instead build it towards a genuine type of skill or play style so everyone can enjoy it, otherwise its just blatantly luck/p2w based 4. The powercreep doesn’t have to be this bad, they can easily make characters on the same level and base the endgame to treat all different types equally but instead choose to favour certain archetypes and new dps’s instead of skill. Idk why people use the argument of “other gacha game bad so Honkai star rail bad normal” they should be trying to improve on the genre not be as shitty as the rest. Lastly the issue itself isn’t powercreep, it’s that them powercreeping characters is leading to massive hp scaling in the endgame. Genshin has powercreep but 3 year old characters can still clear and the difference in rotations is usually only seconds, Acheron has only been in the game for 10 months and is already requiring lightcone and Jiaoqiu to perform decent in endgame when in initial release she didn’t need either and was top 1
@@_Gabimarulike I said you can’t compare a turn base game with an open world rpg game, Genshin has elemental reactions which Star Rail doesn’t, I could even say Wuthering has less powercreep than Genshin and both are ARPG because of the combat system, you don’t even need to pull for new characters to do endgame contents in Wuthering . It’s true, without sustain characters it make the run harder, but not impossible since there are youtubers who can proof it, so if people complain about can’t 0 cycle, then running MoC with 1 dps + bunch of buffers without sustain will make it possible, will be hard? Of course but if you want to 0 cycle as f2p at this point and brag about it, then you must get out of the normal team setup and try something different, I did, still hard to get used of do stuff without Aventurin, Luocha or Gepard but atleast I can brag about 0 cycle with JingYuan a non meta character (not event T0 when he was released) and 4 cycle with Kafka+Black Swam+ Ruan Mei+ Galager(don’t have Fugue or LingSha, team credit by following youtuber Neo DarkSaber)and they aren’t even meta characters (except for Ruan Mei maybe don’t know)
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't think a team being unable to 0 cycle is the goal. As long as a team can do it in 12 for all the rewards, that's all I need. The fact I can still easily do that with DHIL seems good to me. Yeah I get it's frustrating to no longer have the best team and powercreep always sucks. Losing 50/50 is the worst shit ever as well. But I think as long as older characters in teams you invested in are able to clear I don't think there's an issue.
I think people are fussing so much about this because the meta shifts too fast. I can't use my DHIL bc I don't invest in him other than relics. I would be fine if my Jingliu or whatever clear in 8 cycle if that is stable from 1.6 to 3.0. But I can't hope much in 8-10 cycles anymore bc what'll happen in 3.0 probably will also push that farther way too quickly
man. All gacha psi stuff that feed the gacha genre is working on you. Fomo, falacy etc. I agree there is powercreep. I dont agree however that if you get 100 pulls per patch losing a 1-2 pulls matters I was in the same situation then I started playing 5 gachas at the time. I got 5 times more pulls, 5 time more chores and 5 time less give a shit. ofc I stopped and deleted most of them. now I will see how 3.0 is going and maybe delete the game after that for 1 y or more. ITs jsut too much hassle and chores for 5h enjoyment per month.
Taking 4x as long to clear is partly skill issue and partly encounter design. Out of curiosity, I took my Fei to fight Svarog (E0S0) and cleared in 3 cycles. If Svarog hadn't hit multiple delays on Feixiao herself it woulda been a 2c, since the very first action of the third cycle kille Svarog. I have an E2S1 Robin, but considering my lineup was Fei/Hunt March/Robin/Bailu, I am pretty sure the eids would balance out completely by bringing in a sustain that isn't Fisher Price, like Aventurine or Lingsha. What makes this MoC awful isn't the powercreep -- it's that both sides have units that massively punish going slow. Wave 1 side 1 has the Witch elite, whose imprisonments can absolutely wreck your speed tuning and throw your run out of order, and Svarog who has his delays and hand (what made this fast 3c possible, BTW, was breaking Svarog precisely after his first attack, while he was still mid turn. This delayed him a bundle and, as a side benefit, completely wrecked his pattern, ensuring he would not summon the hand for two turns, giving plenty of time to focus on the wolfmech). Wave 1 side 2 meanwhile has the Sanctus Medicus spearman, who can erase your damage progression if you don't blast him and his cohorts asap. That's what makes this MoC feel bad -- that there's an element of RNG and unpredictability to this MoC that most forms of endgame don't have and it causes a lot of frustration to feel slowed down and not understand why. More than most other content pieces, I think this MoC very heavily incentivizes running sustainless, as it completely averts all the risks save avoiding the initial imprisonment (which is mercifully at least a fast reset) and remaining super deterministic. There IS power creep but it's much, much more gradual than most people think. The answer lies elsewhere.
Another day, another reminder of why you shouldn't even bother with any HV games in the first place. Even if the game was good initally, some stupid problems like this would show up sooner or later. I heard that Miyabi C0 is stupidly broken compared to all previous units. Sure Miyabi is popular, but... look at Archeron LoL. They don't care.
I believe the power creep ramping up thanks to the superbreak teamcomp being overtuned. Since Firefraud came out, this hp bloat keep happening and keep increasing
I think your argument does not address his tweet at all. He argued for powercreep not HP inflation, there is a difference. You beating svarog 5 more cycle is an HP inflation problem and nobody is denying that. Powercreep problem comes from the the units within not the enemies. And i do agree that people are over exaggerating powercreep a bit too much constantly mentioning it every patch and it became clear to me more when they released the 5 banana boss. You know who that boss shilled for? rappa. You know who are the best killers for that boss? Jade(2.3 and without quantum element), Acheron(2.1), Rappa(2.6), Himeko(standard unit btw). The only real powercreep this game is getting is SW, clara, blade because it seems like they are going to make better versions of these characters. IMO 2.0 units have it more easy going into 3.0 because the devs have finally studied the game enough. Them releasing SW with her current kit was a sign of their incompetence because didnt give her the ability to choose the element, they simply thought "lets make it do a element implant have random chance because gacha within a gacha game lmao". That mistake could have happened to ratio but they made his playstyle tie to debuffs so that you wont have to deal with the rng, SW simply could have had ratio's chance enhancer but they didnt. In terms of the 8 banner patch. Its always good to have more options and like i said at the top, powercreep is overblown too much. If they keep doing many rerun banner per patch then all the HSR player's problem of "when will this character get a rerun" will be erased but thats all up the hoyo. edit: i 2 cycled svarg the premium fart team, only topaz has e1. The trick is you dont ignore and kill the trotter first because they deal massive damage.
saying im not a mathmetician who can perfectly calculate av and optimize every single turn doesnt equate to stupidity, 99% of this games playerbase doesnt know how to calculate av either or always play perfectly
I’m starting to think LCs in this game are just way more important then other gachas in terms of keeping a DPS relevant for when their MoC doesn’t favor them. Because your FX having that much of a fall of in one patch genuinely scares me for what’s to come next patch 😭😭😭
Feixiao taking 5 cycles in moc is not a powercreep issue. Yes, there is powercreep, fast powercreep and I will not deny that. But your example is pretty disingenuous. Feixiao literally only came out 2 patches ago, if this was a case of powercreep, literally nobody would be able to clear it faster if one of the brand new shiny team comps can't do it. I'll tell you, the real reason your Feixiao team struggled is because that moc heavily favors aoe damage, and Feixiao is quite literally the opposite of that.
@@blastchaos4286 according to leakers all future endgame will be more catered towards aoe which is why I mentioned it as it’s likely not gonna be just a 1 patch issue
@@_Gabimaruwouldn’t that just bring past AOE characters up though? I even got to use Argenti in MOC this run. I think powercreep is real for sure, but it’s mostly just playing up the gimmicks they throw at you
While I don't intend to defend that CC here I'm at odds with how you interpret the words he said. It's was never about "if power creep is happening" but rather if "power creep has become a problem". The fact that you are arguing about 0/1 cycle clears becoming 3/4 cycle clears is a moot point - no one is arguing about power creep not happening here. With some additional context the point he was trying to make was people not matching the minimum viable product of 10 cycle clears at all because of investment that in totality doesn't even add up to a whole team. Basically ending up with half a premium team for each archetype or at worst... 2 premium erudition characters with 0 harmony characters pulled. That tweet was only dumb because he used the words "power creep" at all when the intention was to just point out gacha players bad pulling behaviour being an issue that is becoming more apparent with power creep. edit: typo
Genshin Impact has a lot of flaws, but I really enjoy the lower power creep here. New supports also keep old characters playable. My Ayato still clears abyss. Even some meme teams like DPS Sigewinne get through quite easily.
Mydei powercreeps blade and dhil
Castorice powercreeps seele and aglaea
Sunday powercreeps sparkle and bronya
Phainon is rumoured physical destruction,so Clara and yunli powercreep
And these are just examples of *direct* power creep, not just overall power level but as well element and path or gameplay powercreep. When Acheron released she could clear all endgame with ease even without lightcone or Jiaoqiu, these days no Jiaoqiu and lightcone is going to make you struggle in clearing the endgame. Same goes for the break team with fugue and lingsha, or even boothill with Sunday. Idk why it’s even an argument that powercreep doesn’t exist when you need to invest so heavily in new supports to make your team viable for even just a few patches more, and a lot of people lose 50/50s or invest in new comps not allowing them to do so.
seele has been powercrept for eons unless you have e1-e2 harmonies
TBH this was my first time trying MOC like really try no just one time and see how many stages I got, This time I decide to see if I can beat the MOC cuz I said when I began to never care about dumb things like endgame. Bro I did it and I saw the jades... it wasn't worth it at all, I'll pull for What I want, my teams can clean the adventure and missions, I can clean some Endgames without trying hard if not it isnt like I am loosing 30 tickets. I'll pull for whatever I want and that it is, because What it is the point for pulling for Robin when I hate her fucking song when I have sunday and still use Asta cuz I love everything about her even if sometimes She is emotional supporting me
THats why you pull Linghsa.... I'm a healer but...
My 5* DPS and supports are waaaay to weak for endgame, and IL with some boss is no enough to beat them... WHY THE FUCK.
So far only Sunday powercreeping Bronya is DIRECT powercreep and the rest is not. And it makes sense, Bronya is not limited, she's a default banner characters. Just like Yunli powercreeping Clara.
We have no idea on Castorice's kit but she's supposed to run very different teammates and a very different archetype than Aglaea.
Sparkle is better than Sunday at buffing a monoquantum team and all her buffs besides the crit dmg are team-wide instead of single target like Sunday, so she's better at team-wide buffs. The moment we get a new monoquantum DPS that's better than Qingque, she will shine at her own archetype over Sunday.
We don't know enough of Mydei's kit to know if he powercreeps blade. What if he runs _with_ Blade and Luocha and makes them good again? We don't know.
Phainon surely wouldn't run FuA and counter again. So he's probably gonna run with different BiS supports that are NOT just Robin and that stuff.
So there's basically no DIRECT powercreep other than default banner 5 stars or 4 stars. Not limiteds. At least not so far. There's definitely indirect powercreep through better and better archetypes, though. But I disagree with the direct powercreep part, that's just untrue, the kits are vastly different and most archetypes didn't get fully tapped into and are missing dedicated supports.
POKKE is out of touch man, I dare him to start a completely f2p account and when he loses a 50/50 he can't pull that character in the same patch
The thing is even if he made a f2p account rn he would pull the newest dps and robin and still wouldn't get our points. After months or almost a year he'd then finally realise his older DPS are no longer viable.
I am surprised that people are bootlicking this multi million dollar company.
some of them don't even bought jades or go for every baner.
I´m surprised that people blame the company when they as players just pull for the meta dmg characters
@@enrique9773cannot believe that I had to pull for Dps and support units back to back to clear endgame contents since the beginning of 2.X
I hope your comment is a sarcasm, same as mine
billion not million makes it even more distopian
They make 8 figures a month, they're billionaires
I was pretty flabbergasted when I saw that tweet last night. Not only is it denying something that is an inherent (and intended) design flaw in pretty much all gachas but it's denying blatant value increases that he himself has COVERED in multiple videos. This is like some crash-out take he did.
Considering the other CCs he surrounds himself with, I'm not really surprised he's taking a more incendiary approach to content but I'm also a bit disappointed since I like some guide videos he makes since he's like the only more notable CC who covers that niche.
It's not a crash out, it's intentional drama baiting. Quite a few CCs are trying to emulate Tectone in the hopes of quickly growing their channel. Whether you like it or not, the numbers show that drama content gets a lot more views than regular guides and discussions about the game.
@@FouCh-q2p At least for him specifically I at least gave him some benefit of the doubt since he makes actual genuine guide videos so he comes off as a more reliable speaker of the metagame even though he will get into fuckshit drama bait. But what he's tryna do rn contradicts a lot of his previous more genuine-sounding sentiments so I guess I'll have to watch more of people who just mind they own business and focus on the guides and constructive discussions.
@@FouCh-q2p drama sells unfortunately and your're not wrong at all.
its annoying cus the cc that said that is literally a whale i think if ur going to say theres no powercreep and players are the problem you should at least have a f2p account to back up your takes with evidence
whos that cc?
I made f2p account in 2.0 I was able to do every endgame max stars since 2.3
@@meursault.1984 mr pokke
@@Elfcon That means you got very luck with pulls and/or relic stat rolls. Tell the whole story.
@@Elfconthe hp inflation didn’t start kicking in significantly until around 2.3 or after, and new players don’t have an issue clearing endgame since they have a ton of access to jades from the main story line and planets. It’s completely different when you’re limited to the pulls given within a patch vs a new player farming hundreds of pulls off the old planets and events. Even currently if someone were new in 2.7 they could instantly get a herta and aglaea comp by pulling sunday>herta>aglaea>lingsha
Quitting all hoyo games was one of the best decisions I took last year. Was an avid paying player of GI, Hi3 and HSR. I didn't even dared to try ZZZ because i knew sooner or later they're also gonna go the same way.
The only gacha game i play currently is Wuthering and im happy with how much better things are here.
I quit all except HSR and I will drop it for sure if it keeps up. I am pretty happy with WuWa as well because I started that from day one and I have fun with old units the same as with the new ones.
I've heard that a lot of people lost many 50/50s in a row. Why don't they do what Genshin did and a system where u can't lose more than 2 50/50s in a row
I have lost 6 50/50 - 75/25 in total since I lost my early Feixiao E2 to Clara 🤣
HSR really need this because pulling for the newest characters is way more important and mandatory in HSR than in Genshin
Do you mean guarantee? Because HSR has guarantee
@@o00o45No Genshin has something called as Capturing Radiance mechanic where you can't lose more than 3 50/50s
With recent findings it has a separate counter where once it hits 3 50/50 loss you are guranteed to get the next 50/50 to be a win, once you use Capturing Radiance instead the counter starting from 0 it starts the counter from 1 (so effectively you can lose 2 50/50s and win the 3rd one). This system does not impact the standard old gurantee. It's just to prevent you from losing 4+ 50/50 in a row
@@sketter766 that sounds really good as a mechanic. We definitely need that for sure. I hope everyone writes about it in the next feedback and that hoyo listens
Those content creators need to understand that we also have life outside this game. Their job is literally making content about hsr. We don't have the luxury of spending that much time on this game, on top of making money on it.
Btw gacha smacks is the actual gacha content creator who said triple rerun is bad
reruns dosnt really mean much. The more character you have in the game the more reruns you need. It doesnt speed up powercreep. But a lot of people get baited paying the same price for an old character rerun instead of a newer better character.
Guide makers like him would've told you to pull for jingliu or SW. You are then advised to pull for their eidolons and LC (he tweeted how stupid it is to pull e0s0 and complain) . Hundreds of pulls spent. 5 months later they drop to the lowest tier, yet units that were 'skippable' such as Topaz are now suddenly top tier.
'DHIL killer' Jingliu now rotting 2 tiers below him.
Power creep is bound to happen in a Gacha game. The true problem that HSR has is that the rate of power creep has been accelerating.
And as we know it’s only getting faster and not slower. This is disheartening and honestly as a light spender I will stop spending after Castorice and maybe end up quitting.
Why quit tho? Is not being able to clear the endgame 100% that important?
@ no but I won’t support a game that’s rampantly accelerating their power creep. If more players quit and their revenue drops that’s the only way they will listen.
Or at the very least I won’t be spending money. Depends how good the story is
I agree with you, as they really powercreep characters so fast. I spent a lot of money on older units only to be powercrept after 3-4 months, it's really disheartening so I will stop spending money instead and not care about their endgame. Will just focus on the story instead.
Pokke’s going off the deep end with this one. That take is so brain dead I couldn’t believe it came from him.
A Singaporean on him was out. A first world person can tell me I was stupid because I don't have the money enough to get everyone with all the LC and still has all the resources to level them and mac the traces and still farm for good Relics... Like be fucking serious
with losing a lot of 50/50s, the story telling being not the best and the disappointment that i had when the moc before was clearable but now i can't anymore, not only that, if i want my team to be top tier to clear i need to put for certain "meta" chars instead of chars i want, then i quit, zzz and wuwa are good for now
feeling the same
Imma call it. Hunt is gonna get dumpster in 3.x. They'll add mechanics to buff erudition and other aoe comps including DoT. I'd say with something similar to the trotter debuff this reset. So FX and Topaz are gonna get benched while Robin and Aventurine will work with Sunday in Remembrance comp.
Everyone who dried their account to build their FUA team literally last patch are getting fked. I'm skipping the entire 3.0. The first Remembrance character will fall off within 2 patches considering HSR's pacing with powercreep. So better save for a Sunday rerun if you don't have him and get the dps that's released with his rerun
hes talking aboy mr "neutral" himself aka rank 1 hoyo shill mr pokke
In some comparison for other gacha games when it comes to powercreep
Arknights: I can clear an entire event/story campaign inculding "EX mode" with just year 1 Operators
Fate/Grand order: Can clear "Challenge quests" with a free year 2 servant along with some free SR supports and an SSR that can be picked freely from starting out fresh.
And we have HSR here having characters falling off in just half a year after release just because its numbers are lower than newer ones. This game has a worse balancing issue than Moba games like League and Dota, I've seen gimmicks in newer content from games done better to suit the entire roster of a game
I genuinely hope Arknights endfield still keeps that same trend
that guy really went and lost all his credibility in the community in a single blow cause how tf do you not see what is happening
If we are talking about powercreep, isnt it good that your older team everyone says is useless (dot) cleared faster than the “best team” feixiao? Also although enemies are almost the same, the trotters make this moc more aoe friendly and worse for fx. Im with you with HP inflation being an issue, this is just food for thought
Ive been saying the same about it being AOE friendly (because of herta and aglea) A surprising amount of people dont seem to understand that. The HP increase on the boss is offset entirely by the presence of the trotters, and even if Feixiao focuses the trotters you will likely just overkill them and waste damage, this is not a mechanic built for Hunt hypercarry comps, its built for comps with frequent AOE attacks.
@@NS_Var no because this moc is the best possible scenario for my dot team and I have the premium version of it with lightcones and it’s still clearing at the same amount of cycles as an moc not targeted towards feixiao without her bis team. After this moc dot will likely go back to performing terribly while the new aoe dps’s in 3.0 completely smash all content, though it was a bit of fresh air being able to use a different team aside from Acheron and feixiao for once.
Literally. Same with tier list. Content creators with every character and their light cones ( and additional eidolons) will say “there’s no point in building this character because you can just get this character”… as if 1. The character is not limited, and 2. As if you can afford spending jade on that character at the time…
The future of HSR difficulty is making the player base collect units to build specific team comps that can solve the mechanics efficiently. They’ll ramp up the HP as the “difficulty” but make the reward for effectively triggering the endgame mechanics a huge boost in damage either directly or through buffs. This makes the predatory rerun banners make sense and why premium DoT shelved premium FuA. It’s similar to the feeling of losing a round of cards against humanity
Even though there is this new trotter mechanic that favors AOE units and cripples hunt units that is why Feixiao fell, the new mechanic still doesn't cut it.
0-1 cycling to 4 or 5 cycling is a lot. And my Acheron with her best team did the same cycle with last MOC with Svarog even though today's MOC favors her more.
My Firefly sustainless with HMC Fugue and RM used to 1 cycle Svarog last time, now she can only 2 cycles it, that is with some rng. So it doesn't only happen to Feixiao and hunt units, even though they got the worst end. My friend list in HSR all have increasing cycle use, varying from 7-10, even if they don't use Fei. This is only telling that hoyo will not stop the hp increase and I cannot imagine what it will be like in 3.X
when remembrance dps come out, fexio will be treated like a jingliu and people will say pulling for fexiao is a bad investment😂
I bet people only make these sorts of dumbass takes to drive up traction and stir up drama. no one in their right mind would say that.
Mí favourite powercreep is that The Herta ult does at e0 what Dhil ult does at e2
"Having 3 characters in a rerun is good," said the CC with an account that gets free jades from his viewers from time to time and has disposable income.
And for anyone who argues with "Just pull for supports since they barely get powercreeped" I have every support in my account with RM and Robin not having their signature LC and I have to clear content with my dps which are the following: Seele, Dr. Ratio, Feixiao, Argenti, and Himeko for PF. And I still struggle to clear every endgame content, almost like they're trying to gatekeep resources
I was wondering if this HP increase was due to the trotters because otherwise it would have been the easiest MoC ever. From what I remember I personally find every MoC with trotters easier that the MoC with simply buffs.
I believe that powercreep is 100% prominent in HSR and its likely to get worst in the coming patches once anniversary characters like Castorice arrives since they'll heavily market them, but to play a bit of devil's advocate here, I feel like that in this specific MOC, the HP inflation was purposely done for the trotter mechanics. Anyways, I've seen some leaks that the devs are likely gonna focus more on AOE/blast content which is probably an aim to promote characters like Tribbie, Herta, Mydei, but I feel like once Castorice comes around, she'll be the talk of the town and the one being favoured (Which has been the trend for HSR to promote marketable characters and make more money). If I'm being honest, might actually just drop end game altogether and just play HSR once there are new story/event updates and just focus my resources on ZZZ or even Wuwa, since HSR endgame feels like the least rewarding and the hardest to keep up.
Just to throw more fuel to the fire:
My Firefly team: 0 Cycle on Svarog + auto
My **E2S1 DHIL TEAM:** 7 cycles :)
And i am the guy that defeated Aventurine on MOC 12 with March 7th solo sustain + Luka solo DPS... Bro..
We should fear the day my Firefly team can't even 5 cycle.
Edit: Caelus got his cardio up to date
7 cycles for e2s1 Daniel team is genuinely awful like you must either have a bad rotation or a bad team or lying because there’s no shot it took that long
I could not believe what I was reading when I saw that tweet ngl
HSR reminds me trading cards games, like MTG or YGO. We have the same powercreep effect as the games get older, news cards have nothing in common with the early released ones.
If I had to guess it’s that XQC-but-Chinglish dude? The guy that contradicts his own self with another minute saying “I trust you bro, do it” and the minute after that proceeded to say “he is so stupid, why he did that lorrr”
Yup, Mr. pokke
Dr ratio never got rerunned you forgot him btw
And the fact that so many characters got powercrept on their rerun is so annoying. If I lose a 50/50 trying to build a certain archetype with two or three 5 stars (which obv they put together in a single banner) I have to wait again for so long and on their first rerun when they already release new characters that disqualify that one we needed so there is no reason to pull that one again, and we have to build a new archetype from the beginning again. Ofc this also happens because they balance enemies HP to newest characters, this is very disrespectful and scummy.
How dare you say that the powercreep is a problem in HSR? I have 2 teams and can clear MOC perfectly. You just need to pull wisely and invest in your characters. Frankly people complaining about the triple rerun banners are greedy F2P and low spenders who want to get all characters. They need to understand that Gacha games are predatory. If they cannot bear, they just need go leave. "
I'm sure someone will say those arguments soon to prove they are the smartest players of the community...
HAD ME IN THE FIRST HALF NGL
@@vinny_s same 😂
@@vinny_s those are the arguments I got when I pointed out the first triple rerun banners and got it again with the current double triple rerun banners
I said it to avoid an enlightened one said it 😂
any game can be predatory if its community let the develepers do whatever they want
Had me in the first half, ngl😭
Saying there's no powercreep in HSR is crazy work 😭😭😭
Your reviews on Honkai: Star Rail are always so honest and direct! I really appreciate how you cut through the hype and give balanced, thoughtful opinions. Keep up the great work-your content is always a highlight for me!
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I agree on the points mentioned here, but one thing I do wanna mention is that I feel like people are low key not seeing and idk forgetting that theres a gimmick at least for the current moc with the trotters doing dmg to the enemies. Maybe nothing crazy but still wanna point that out.
I think people aren't bringing it up because it's a flawed concept on it's own. The game is scoring you on how few cycles you can clear in, but the gimmick (trotters) requires a cycle to end for more to spawn. This is just counterintuitive design.
@Somewhere_Else_ sure yeah idk it's tough to see where they're gonna do with the game in the future cuz honestly not a lot of people are happy with what's going on for awhile but we'll see.
@@kliphord123X Yeah, I guess the only thing people can do is mention it in the surveys they send out at the end of a patch. If enough people bring up their grievances, hopefully they do something to address it.
@@Somewhere_Else_ yeah like I'm no hoyo glazer or anything but tbh I kinda genuinely do care for the game but the whole hp inflation and power creep needs to be addressed but yeah. I'll still be playing casually lol but idk about other people.
@@Somewhere_Else_ Valid but also the devs are likely not designing the fights around zero cyclers (and they shouldnt btw). The thing is the MOC has and always will be built towards the current newest character in order to promote and sell them essentially. The only solution I could think of is turn the trotter mechanic into how it is in pure fiction but at that point you just have two different PF modes.
And since we are getting back to back AOE carries in 3.0 with one side tailored for each then yeah its a no brainer that people are struggling with their FUA single target monkey brain comps, its just not built in a way for them to do well. People need to stop trying to fit a square into a triangular hole
Don't want to be the bad guy and I agree the powercreep is pretty hard if you don't invest carefully but the reason your feixiao cleared slower is simply because this moc favors a lot of aoe or blast, to help promote The Herta.
@@KirigayaHayato leakers have said they will keep making the endgame more aoe focused in the future patches as well, that’s why I mentioned it as it’s likely to be something that carries on for a while
@@_Gabimaru This is only likely the case though since they're promoting the Herta for a decent amount of future patches, but will eventually focus more on the mechanics favouring new characters to promote the anniversary character Castorice, since she's likely going to be the next big marketed character.
@@JoxTheMash29There are further leaks saying that future enemies will have summons as well, and they are going to implement a "rows" system.
With that you're pretty much guaranteed to fight multiple enemies.
It's pretty obvious that we're going in AoE meta, and it will not end on Herta.
Even Mydei have ways to deal with multiple enemies.
2.1 wuwa beta recruitment ends in 10 jan so we can except beta files for leakers to make private server in like 12 jan
Very valid points about powercreep. But I have to disagree about acheron. She is not a ditched unit by any means or fell off really hard. Well YES, new stronger comps appeared, but she's still one of most used dps characters that can clear every mode. Mind you last as and moc she had way more usage rate than feixiao.
JQ is a very big upgrade for her because she does twice her dmg with him.
That isnt power creep. Feixiao always struggled in AOE. The trotters, promote AOE. DOT didnt get a buff; it is suited for AOE scenarios. The reason moc is more aoe focused, is to push herta and rappa. We are basically getting to an aoe meta. That isnt power creep, its match up oriented. Thus pokkes statement on poor choices people make sometimes.
Power creep, is something like Yunli an Clara comparison. THAT is power creep. Or Aglaea likely better than jing yuan. Yes, that is absolutely power creep. But feixiao struggling specifically in aoe focused content isnt power creep; especially when older characters do it better but didnt get any buffs.
I guess Hsr players just getting the L each patchs without knowing that they're getting the L
Or they just refuse to knowing that until Hsr just becomes Hi3
==> In short, Hoyo just being Greedy *again* if you guys still ignoring it
I'd love to see a CC claiming power-creep isn't real do a zero cycle with only version 1 characters. :)
Fact is streamers, CCs, influencers - people who play this game for a living - are not on the same level as low spenders or F2P. They don't really get it - it's not their fault - but I wish they kept in mind more often. E1/E2, S1 characters aren't in the accounts of a F2P or low spender unless it's our only E2/S1. We can't relate or spend to keep up (nor do we want to).
although I agree that the powercreep in hsr is bad and the CCs have their own warped reality of the powercreep in hsr, I fully disagree with everything else you said. Acheron is still decent f2p without Jiaoqiu and ive been having no problems playing her in endgame without Jiaoqiu on my account. You even said yourself your Acheron kinda sucks so why are you surprised that you are struggling? If you maybe used different characters as examples like maybe Blade I would be more on your side but it just seems like you're complaining that all characters cannot be used in endgame unless they have their BIS support which is not true if you have decent investment in relics and stats.
I've deleted this game. Gonna play again 3, 4 years later.
Btw I'd love to watch your content even tho ive stopped playing.
As a genshin player I’m happy y’all are finally realising HSR only gives “more” rewards (20 extra on average)because you have to constantly pull characters meanwhile my HuTao from 1.3 can still clear content with her old vape team with 1minute to spare for the whole chamber
Anyone ever considered that Pokke is trolling you all? That the reaction he's getting from the community is exactly what he wanted?
In his video talking about the drama he's isn't even trying to argue his point but being like "change my mind, change my mind xD" while having a blast over how worked up people get
Pokke and Iyo had absolutely horrible takes, and powercreep is definitely bad in HSR. That being said, the reason why your Feixiao team takes longer to clear is that you didn't optimize your runs. DoT is significantly less punishing when you don't play well. I personally have been able to replicate 3 cost Feixiao 0-cycles on every single MoC stage, including the current ones. If you want fast clears, I'd advise to do the research and farm specialized relics. You have plenty of time since you don't pull a lot of characters. Great videos though, keep it up!
i guess its like more how the format beneficts the characters than "the new characters are better" otherwise dot and acheron would never outperform feixao.
it still sucks
Forces to pull for aventurine instead of Acheron is real to me. Getting fugue is lucky thing, I expect to lose 50/50.
Powercreep is definitely getting out of hand im just not gonna spend money on this game anymore if the character is just going to be powercrept in 2 or 3 patches from now on if I don't get the character then I dont get the character and thats that
Gacha Smack truly is the only big CC in this space with a brain right now.
HSR runs 16 banners in a single patch and the patch itself doesn't gives you enough pulls to guarantee a single one of them then these hoyo white knights calling people greedy. 💀😂
this MoC strongly favoured AOE units and colourless break (no surprise: fugue current banner + the herta/jade upcoming). Hunt units have to choose between damaging the trotter or going for the boss directly. HP was increased to compensate for a much stronger resonance when played into as they intended. That's why your feixiao performed much worse.
I 100% agree with all you said. I really hate the 50 50 system even more here(in my opinion it should be deleted in star rail and have all 5 stars guaranteed like for ex in punishing Grey raven but I doubt it will ever be possible cuz gacha game). For instance, I lost my 50 50 on sunday,lingsha and aventurine and it really sucks they really give us too little gems for us to keep up with this crazy powercreep rate😢
And another problem i'd like to mention is that they released too few 4 star characters in the entirety of 2.x patches and this is a missed oportunity to make 4 star alternatives for meta 5 stars like aventurine for example
Sorry if my rant is too long😅
Same issue with Feixiao and Lingsha. I was expecting them in 3.1 and onward not 3.0 WITH ROBIN AGAIN
How does sunday powercreep sparkle? I know with summon units thats a different story but in general? With other units sparkle and bronya give more damage output with their E ability alone. I havent done much testing on the ultimate's yet but im really curious
better aa,skill buff lasts longer (although weaker), ult isnt even a competition as he gives energy and 78% CD, passive gives 20 crit rate which neither bronya or sparkle do (this is assuming both at 220 CD) sparkles atk buffs are decent but theres a reason most just run a robin alongside sunday as she covers that as well. almost all dps's prefer er,crit and better aa over atk buffs and if you get his lightcone it isnt even a competition. most of his kit is locked behind summon units too. the sp neutrality and positivity with lightcone makes him an automatic bronya replacement as you can assure 100% skill uptime without costing sp and his overall buffs even not including the er are better
Yeah its the moc buffs along with the hp rising. It dodnt affect firefly and acheron much, but feixiao felt it straight away. You arent wrong tho, at this point only whales should get eidelons and thats e1 as well. The game is going the same way as hi3 and the rules are this
- do not pull rerun characters.
- eidelons only increase a a characters viability by 2 patches, if you have max eidelons then you get a few more.
- but hi3 is a competitive game unlike hsr.
So just pull for units you want that can clear content. Dont get eidelons and in most cases dont get lcs. Dont pull reruns cant stress this enough unless its a broken supoort.
I like your takes and i agree, when I see other honkai tubers making guides and using their characters with e2-4-6 every patch i cringe. as a low spender you can't get a e0s1 almost even in 3 patches, cuz you might lose 50 50 on char banner and/or lose 75 25 on light cone banner, so you will most of the time pull for character and use a free 5* light cone or 4*.
i believe that all 4 characters in first 2 patches will be irrelevant in 3.4 already. mydei is a hp scaling crit dps, from leaks, castorice is same but with summon so she's better already and she might even have true dmg mechanic which seems to me to be next super break meta. aglaea is instantly power crept already and castorice didnt even release. i believe rappa is better herta, so if you have rappa in super break team, no reason pulling for herta, idk about tribbie but her kit seems extremely bad/mid, only if her AA dmg is high will she be good, otherwise there are plenty of better supports
The only people who dont have to be concerned with powercreep is the people that only play the story mode.
If you are the player that want max rewards for endgame content yeah you cant escape the powercreep.
Ah yes, Mr. Pokke, the guy who called someone's Feixiao *decent* after a 400K ult
(yes,in his eyes 400K ult is decent)
I wonder if him being friends with Tectone, another rage baiter/drama farmer, is influencing him.
I think the devs are trying to make it hard for people to 0, 1 cycles but not too hard for people to 3 star moc by making the moc buff stronger and more hp. Just so it's not too boring for whales and make whales whale more.
ATP, I dont play the end game contents. I only play for the story.
its grid and stupidity by mr P I guess XD
thats his income he will lie, gaslight or whatever he thinks is needed to go on.
At first it didn't bother me but now when I played current MoC and first half of floor 12 is taking so damn long I gave up on doing it, I definitely felt the push to "pull Lingsha" which idm her but currently I want to save and the fact they keep powercreeping to push agendas of pulling certain characters just for them to immediately become irrelevant is insane. They GOTTA fix it or I feel like I'm gonna be like everyone else with this one and quit the game fr, like rn I definitely feel burnout from HSR from the amount of powercreep in the game while in their other games u can just play any character u want and clear content but for HSR u NEED a certain character to clear content or you're screwed. Now the issue with that is I hard pity EVERY 5 star in this game and I got real tired of it so I just want to save for Fate collab. HSR really gotta get their shit together and do something about this or it's joever fr.
This game needs to slow down character releases.
Excellent video
Earned a sub
This is hi3rd part 2 characters all over again. Aside from one or two limited characters like Herrscher of Finality, all of the character rooster is useless compared to the new units. Ofc aside from 2 all are limited banners and require each other for optimal team comps.
Btw jinhsi is the best character with sig weapon
pokke lmao
If Phanon powercreeps both Clara and Yunli, I might quit the game.
Clara is my main character and TBH, the whole idea of Phanon powercreep is concerning.
But I will wait and see
I use E2S1 Clara but common a 3.X Character powercreeping a 1.0 Standart banner Character is totally normal if he wouldn't they should just not release him at all
I'm pretty sure phanon will have different kit compared to Clara and he might be around 10-15% stronger than yunli and might have summons but he is definitely going to deal more DMG then Clara if their kit is similar cause Clara's a standard, there's no denying that.
But just cause phanon is physical doesn't mean he will have same kit as Clara and yunli, keep that in mind. Personally I want him to be very good cause it's been a long time since we had hot men 🥵
We don't know about him much, just physical destruction and it also can be untrue
I remember when Yunli got leaked as physical character everyone was saying she's gonna powercreep Boothill, did she?
Also Fugue being fire Nihility, did she powercreeps Jiaoqiu?
Maybe play Limbus Company?
My e0s0 fei, e0s0 robin, galag and march took 6 cycles lol
Imagine losing all your 50/50 for all the good meta characters 😢(i lst to frixiao firefly and i fear i will for the herta)
Aylmao. Blud expected feixiao to perform the EXACT same in a new moc. Players that don’t learn that your character will be Bad in Moc not meant for them will cry till they stop playing
You didnt pull for Meta, you wont clear Like that.
I loved the game but this powercreep is detaching me more and more from the game. I think it would have been so good if the new characters heavily buffed the old characters but that's not the case
My acheron is even better than your, 4k atk, 58/250 crit. Just like you I don't have Jiaoqiu and my acheron can't even 4 cycle against aventurine last moc.
The power creep and other stupid decisions by the devs, is killing the game. Power creep should not happen so quickly that characters and teams can go from zero cycling to struggling to even clear with 1 star before that character even gets a rerun or even has a full team comp yet. By the time a DPS has a rerun, they're already so crept that you're better off dropping them than getting eidolons even though the whole point of that system is supposed to be to keep your favorite characters relevant.
Add in things like over half the male characters being imaginary just screwing over certain players for no reason when gacha are supposed to get you to pull because you like the characters, not strong arm you into pulling ones you don't want just so you can clear content.
It's a mess, the game is a mess, the fact we go into MOC and nothing mechanically is really different, it's Svarog again, just with trotters, Propagation again, and it's just "harder" because they inflate the enemy stats. It's not fun even, it's purely a numbers check at this point. Do you have the new characters built(and a lot need their LC or eidolons now to even come out in a strong enough position), because if you don't, your multipliers can literally just not be high enough to do this anymore.
I hate hoyo and I agree powercreep is a thing but it’s not to the point of people not being able to clear the content. If yall want the rewards you have 10 cycles to do so and any limited dps can achieve this and there’s even 4star only runs that can do this. I myself am someone who hasn’t pulled a dps since Acheron. Acheron is my ONLY meta dps 2.X past dps otherwise all my other dps are 1.X units. With a little bit of vertical investment i achieved 2 total cycles needed to clear the 2.7 MOC without optimizing the rotation and running crazy 171 speed eagle set stuff. Without the vertical investment it would prob take me 5-6 cycles and I’d get the same rewards it’s no big deal… I used Acheron phase 1 and JL phase 2. I’m not gonna sit here and say the new herta wouldn’t absolutely destroy my JL in performance but she still cleared true sting as a flawed 1.X unit 🤷🏼 I’m a welkin BP spender and I never feel like I struggle in end game. I also have 0 limited erudition chars and get full rewards on pf. No break chars and get over 7k points every apoc rotation.
Feixiao isn’t good against the swarm bug, obviously.
Svarog just has a ridiculous amount of hp this moc it’s so stupid
What’s moc lol I only play story and pull characters
Stopped buying battle pass in HSR. Im done putting any money into the game. Its total bullshit. Every new cbaracter is a powercreep upgrade.
1. True Aventurine is best sustain for FeiXiao Team but not the best for 0 cycle enemies with lot of HP, try FeiXiao, Robin, March Hunt/Topaz and Bronya. (there are videos of other youtubers using this team to 0 cycle the current 2.7 MoC in case you don´t believe me)
2. I have seeing people do 0 cycle even with JingYuan/Boothill team which mean each MoC is good for different team and this MoC is for AoE/super Break dmg (super break now days need Fugue for max dmg), yeah you use Kafka team but Kafka team is not good unless the MoC benefit DoT team which in this MoC is not, you can´t hope to build 2 team and hope to do every single endgame content with that, as f2p you must finish building 2 teams till endgame level or semi endgame then continue buiding other, if you build many at the same time then you will never get a endgame team.
3. 50/50 is always a problem and it doesn´t happen to everyone, I win 50/50 on FeiXiao and Robin rerun with FeiXiao (loose on lighcone banner)
4. In turn base gacha game new dmg dealer will always powercreep old one that´s why one must focus more in Support/Buffers since it´s very rare/take time to powercreep them, like you said Sunday powercreep Sparkle and Bronya but look how many patch it took to do it and doesn´t mean you can´t use Sparkle or Bronya in other team because you can´t use Sunday in 2 team at the same time.
Pd: I didn´t write this to make fun of anyone but to try and give some tips, some people might think Im defending the company but I recommend you to try other turn base games(plural) (instead of comparing it with Genshin that is not a turn base game) and you will see what real powercreep means.
Like Limbus Company
@@enrique9773 1. I already mentioned the sustainless runs for feixiao with e1 robin on yt in the video, sustainless runs are way too rng and you die too much
2. I don’t have a superbreak team or other aoe dps due to lost 50/50s, only Acheron and kafka
3. Im aware, however you shouldn’t build your endgame around people who get lucky with 50/50s and characters and instead build it towards a genuine type of skill or play style so everyone can enjoy it, otherwise its just blatantly luck/p2w based
4. The powercreep doesn’t have to be this bad, they can easily make characters on the same level and base the endgame to treat all different types equally but instead choose to favour certain archetypes and new dps’s instead of skill. Idk why people use the argument of “other gacha game bad so Honkai star rail bad normal” they should be trying to improve on the genre not be as shitty as the rest. Lastly the issue itself isn’t powercreep, it’s that them powercreeping characters is leading to massive hp scaling in the endgame. Genshin has powercreep but 3 year old characters can still clear and the difference in rotations is usually only seconds, Acheron has only been in the game for 10 months and is already requiring lightcone and Jiaoqiu to perform decent in endgame when in initial release she didn’t need either and was top 1
@@_Gabimarulike I said you can’t compare a turn base game with an open world rpg game, Genshin has elemental reactions which Star Rail doesn’t, I could even say Wuthering has less powercreep than Genshin and both are ARPG because of the combat system, you don’t even need to pull for new characters to do endgame contents in Wuthering . It’s true, without sustain characters it make the run harder, but not impossible since there are youtubers who can proof it, so if people complain about can’t 0 cycle, then running MoC with 1 dps + bunch of buffers without sustain will make it possible, will be hard? Of course but if you want to 0 cycle as f2p at this point and brag about it, then you must get out of the normal team setup and try something different, I did, still hard to get used of do stuff without Aventurin, Luocha or Gepard but atleast I can brag about 0 cycle with JingYuan a non meta character (not event T0 when he was released) and 4 cycle with Kafka+Black Swam+ Ruan Mei+ Galager(don’t have Fugue or LingSha, team credit by following youtuber Neo DarkSaber)and they aren’t even meta characters (except for Ruan Mei maybe don’t know)
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't think a team being unable to 0 cycle is the goal. As long as a team can do it in 12 for all the rewards, that's all I need.
The fact I can still easily do that with DHIL seems good to me.
Yeah I get it's frustrating to no longer have the best team and powercreep always sucks. Losing 50/50 is the worst shit ever as well.
But I think as long as older characters in teams you invested in are able to clear I don't think there's an issue.
I think people are fussing so much about this because the meta shifts too fast. I can't use my DHIL bc I don't invest in him other than relics.
I would be fine if my Jingliu or whatever clear in 8 cycle if that is stable from 1.6 to 3.0. But I can't hope much in 8-10 cycles anymore bc what'll happen in 3.0 probably will also push that farther way too quickly
I still use my blade i got 5 cycle in the last MOC . LONG LIVE BLADE MAIN! F2P btw.
man. All gacha psi stuff that feed the gacha genre is working on you. Fomo, falacy etc.
I agree there is powercreep. I dont agree however that if you get 100 pulls per patch losing a 1-2 pulls matters
I was in the same situation then I started playing 5 gachas at the time. I got 5 times more pulls, 5 time more chores and 5 time less give a shit.
ofc I stopped and deleted most of them. now I will see how 3.0 is going and maybe delete the game after that for 1 y or more. ITs jsut too much hassle and chores for 5h enjoyment per month.
Taking 4x as long to clear is partly skill issue and partly encounter design. Out of curiosity, I took my Fei to fight Svarog (E0S0) and cleared in 3 cycles. If Svarog hadn't hit multiple delays on Feixiao herself it woulda been a 2c, since the very first action of the third cycle kille Svarog. I have an E2S1 Robin, but considering my lineup was Fei/Hunt March/Robin/Bailu, I am pretty sure the eids would balance out completely by bringing in a sustain that isn't Fisher Price, like Aventurine or Lingsha. What makes this MoC awful isn't the powercreep -- it's that both sides have units that massively punish going slow. Wave 1 side 1 has the Witch elite, whose imprisonments can absolutely wreck your speed tuning and throw your run out of order, and Svarog who has his delays and hand (what made this fast 3c possible, BTW, was breaking Svarog precisely after his first attack, while he was still mid turn. This delayed him a bundle and, as a side benefit, completely wrecked his pattern, ensuring he would not summon the hand for two turns, giving plenty of time to focus on the wolfmech). Wave 1 side 2 meanwhile has the Sanctus Medicus spearman, who can erase your damage progression if you don't blast him and his cohorts asap. That's what makes this MoC feel bad -- that there's an element of RNG and unpredictability to this MoC that most forms of endgame don't have and it causes a lot of frustration to feel slowed down and not understand why. More than most other content pieces, I think this MoC very heavily incentivizes running sustainless, as it completely averts all the risks save avoiding the initial imprisonment (which is mercifully at least a fast reset) and remaining super deterministic. There IS power creep but it's much, much more gradual than most people think. The answer lies elsewhere.
Another day, another reminder of why you shouldn't even bother with any HV games in the first place. Even if the game was good initally, some stupid problems like this would show up sooner or later. I heard that Miyabi C0 is stupidly broken compared to all previous units. Sure Miyabi is popular, but... look at Archeron LoL. They don't care.
I believe the power creep ramping up thanks to the superbreak teamcomp being overtuned. Since Firefraud came out, this hp bloat keep happening and keep increasing
I stopped playing cuz of the power creep
This is obviously an issue but this is why it’s better to pause chasing meta and just invest in eidolons for an e6
I think your argument does not address his tweet at all. He argued for powercreep not HP inflation, there is a difference.
You beating svarog 5 more cycle is an HP inflation problem and nobody is denying that.
Powercreep problem comes from the the units within not the enemies.
And i do agree that people are over exaggerating powercreep a bit too much constantly mentioning it every patch and it became clear to me more when they released the 5 banana boss. You know who that boss shilled for? rappa. You know who are the best killers for that boss? Jade(2.3 and without quantum element), Acheron(2.1), Rappa(2.6), Himeko(standard unit btw). The only real powercreep this game is getting is SW, clara, blade because it seems like they are going to make better versions of these characters.
IMO 2.0 units have it more easy going into 3.0 because the devs have finally studied the game enough. Them releasing SW with her current kit was a sign of their incompetence because didnt give her the ability to choose the element, they simply thought "lets make it do a element implant have random chance because gacha within a gacha game lmao". That mistake could have happened to ratio but they made his playstyle tie to debuffs so that you wont have to deal with the rng, SW simply could have had ratio's chance enhancer but they didnt.
In terms of the 8 banner patch. Its always good to have more options and like i said at the top, powercreep is overblown too much. If they keep doing many rerun banner per patch then all the HSR player's problem of "when will this character get a rerun" will be erased but thats all up the hoyo.
edit: i 2 cycled svarg the premium fart team, only topaz has e1. The trick is you dont ignore and kill the trotter first because they deal massive damage.
Wouldnt what you say in 1:11 be considered as the stupidity part? Maybe you ought to change that
saying im not a mathmetician who can perfectly calculate av and optimize every single turn doesnt equate to stupidity, 99% of this games playerbase doesnt know how to calculate av either or always play perfectly
I’m starting to think LCs in this game are just way more important then other gachas in terms of keeping a DPS relevant for when their MoC doesn’t favor them. Because your FX having that much of a fall of in one patch genuinely scares me for what’s to come next patch 😭😭😭
Feixiao taking 5 cycles in moc is not a powercreep issue. Yes, there is powercreep, fast powercreep and I will not deny that. But your example is pretty disingenuous. Feixiao literally only came out 2 patches ago, if this was a case of powercreep, literally nobody would be able to clear it faster if one of the brand new shiny team comps can't do it. I'll tell you, the real reason your Feixiao team struggled is because that moc heavily favors aoe damage, and Feixiao is quite literally the opposite of that.
@@blastchaos4286 according to leakers all future endgame will be more catered towards aoe which is why I mentioned it as it’s likely not gonna be just a 1 patch issue
@@_Gabimaruwouldn’t that just bring past AOE characters up though? I even got to use Argenti in MOC this run. I think powercreep is real for sure, but it’s mostly just playing up the gimmicks they throw at you
While I don't intend to defend that CC here I'm at odds with how you interpret the words he said. It's was never about "if power creep is happening" but rather if "power creep has become a problem". The fact that you are arguing about 0/1 cycle clears becoming 3/4 cycle clears is a moot point - no one is arguing about power creep not happening here. With some additional context the point he was trying to make was people not matching the minimum viable product of 10 cycle clears at all because of investment that in totality doesn't even add up to a whole team. Basically ending up with half a premium team for each archetype or at worst... 2 premium erudition characters with 0 harmony characters pulled.
That tweet was only dumb because he used the words "power creep" at all when the intention was to just point out gacha players bad pulling behaviour being an issue that is becoming more apparent with power creep.
edit: typo
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Genshin Impact has a lot of flaws, but I really enjoy the lower power creep here. New supports also keep old characters playable. My Ayato still clears abyss. Even some meme teams like DPS Sigewinne get through quite easily.