Good observations. If we need to set an anchor from the ground, we will often use a false crotch. There are lots of times that we're anchoring for other purposes - an overnight for example. In that case, there is no need to install from the ground. We use screw gate carabiners largely because we share gear with a collegiate rock climbing program. Most of our procedures are designed to best suit college programs with similar gear. We have many copies of TC Companion for our classes.
Good question! The slick way to do this is to ascend to the limb, clip a sling from your harness to the loop of the figure eight with a locking carabiner. Then switch to rappel. As you descend, the sling will come tight on the eight knot and drag it along with you!
@@markholton8555 I was referring to the way the girl had hers tied. I usually use both ropes and the prusik I use it as a safety mechanism in case something goes wrong. I think she had hers the other way around.
@@sentinela8775 If understand you correctly, you have a hard knot on one side and the prusik on the other side. There's certainly nothing wrong with that arrangement. Industrial rope access workers use two separate ropes at all time in case one gets cut. That practice is not common in tree climbing unless you are cutting something, in which case it is a very good idea to be tied to the tree in more than one way.
@@markholton8555 I climb trees with , at least 3 different ropes, sometimes. It.depends on the spot and the length of the branches. Thank you very.much, btw.
hi therre :)..i would like to build a permanent anchor for tree climbing but from my past experience the cable used for the anchor is damaged the tree..do have any suggestion on how to avoid that? Greeting from Malaysia
question: i dont get how in the end, the fig.8 on a bight is a backup for the prusik. i mean if the prusik fails, she will fall to the ground. wont she? thx!
No, she will fall until the figure eight come tight on her harness. We hope that isn't too far, as a fall of an considerable distance on this kind of rope generates huge forces.
It's definitely the case for arborists. A cinching knot will preserve the orientation of the carabiner and prevent it from crossloading. For our purposes, as recreational climbers, there is no specific industry standard. We use a figure eight knot because we're pretty sure our beginner climbers will tie that correctly and the likelihood of falling on it is low...
The info in the video looks great, however, it is humorous the logo at the begining of the guy over the chasm, hanging between two leaning trees, and not really a confidence inspiring image. That is what strikes me on a base psychological level.
Your students should show how to tie dress and set any knot that is being shown. Also it is not standard to use webbing and water knots and double biners as setting for ropes, as you can not do that from the ground. and Why are you using screw gate biners? read Tree climbers companion it is interesting.
?SAFETY SAFETY why would recommend tying a knot in tube webbing period, you even say the tails tend to creep, when endless slings, or round slings can be purchased for about the same price. Here is my point you have these organizations behind you, your telling people if you don't have money to get the proper equipment we recommend the more risky method. If you don't have the money to climb STAY out of the trees.
The millions of climbers in the world who do this daily would find your comment hilarious. It isn't unsafe to tie knots in slings. The practice is almost universal. However, one must understand the limitations of the equipment. It doesn't require money to be safe. One might as well say the millions of people who use gri gri's for rappelling should stay hime and work until they can afford a Petzl ID! The great utility of tying knots in slings is the versatility. You can use these lengths - safely - for many different purposes.
Good observations. If we need to set an anchor from the ground, we will often use a false crotch. There are lots of times that we're anchoring for other purposes - an overnight for example. In that case, there is no need to install from the ground. We use screw gate carabiners largely because we share gear with a collegiate rock climbing program. Most of our procedures are designed to best suit college programs with similar gear. We have many copies of TC Companion for our classes.
Made my own friction saver for 33$ with a tendon sling and 2 cheap eights and it can hold 22kN. Works like a charm!
Good question! The slick way to do this is to ascend to the limb, clip a sling from your harness to the loop of the figure eight with a locking carabiner. Then switch to rappel. As you descend, the sling will come tight on the eight knot and drag it along with you!
Nice video
Best of luck
Greate job
Thanks
Is the prusik knot suppose to go with the same figure 8 knot, or should it be on the other rope?
Same side is fine. Then you have the other side to do something else.
@@markholton8555 I was referring to the way the girl had hers tied. I usually use both ropes and the prusik I use it as a safety mechanism in case something goes wrong. I think she had hers the other way around.
@@sentinela8775 If understand you correctly, you have a hard knot on one side and the prusik on the other side. There's certainly nothing wrong with that arrangement. Industrial rope access workers use two separate ropes at all time in case one gets cut. That practice is not common in tree climbing unless you are cutting something, in which case it is a very good idea to be tied to the tree in more than one way.
@@markholton8555 I climb trees with , at least 3 different ropes, sometimes. It.depends on the spot and the length of the branches.
Thank you very.much, btw.
I have use my buckingham friction saver about three times on some red oaks and there are already multiple snags in the webbing
hi therre :)..i would like to build a permanent anchor for tree climbing but from my past experience the cable used for the anchor is damaged the tree..do have any suggestion on how to avoid that?
Greeting from Malaysia
We don't generally use permanent anchors. We tend to leave paracord strung over limbs of the trees that we climb frequently...
question: i dont get how in the end, the fig.8 on a bight is a backup for the prusik. i mean if the prusik fails, she will fall to the ground. wont she? thx!
No, she will fall until the figure eight come tight on her harness. We hope that isn't too far, as a fall of an considerable distance on this kind of rope generates huge forces.
Mark Holton now I realized, this is a anchor so she wont climb further. I thought she will ascend with the prusik somehow... thx
Could you teach the second anchor system (green webbing)? thank you
Its the wrap three pull two system there should be a vid somewhere on youtube
He doesn't want to do that because that sht does not exist in the real tree climber's world. Dangerous af.
@NappeNapp thanks you give me an idea...very creative
I believe under the industry's standards you are required to have a cinching knot?
A cinching knot where?
the carabiner to the harness
It's definitely the case for arborists. A cinching knot will preserve the orientation of the carabiner and prevent it from crossloading. For our purposes, as recreational climbers, there is no specific industry standard. We use a figure eight knot because we're pretty sure our beginner climbers will tie that correctly and the likelihood of falling on it is low...
Useful! Show me more ! So ! Learned more , will save more cash !( free and easy class )
The info in the video looks great, however, it is humorous the logo at the begining of the guy over the chasm, hanging between two leaning trees, and not really a confidence inspiring image. That is what strikes me on a base psychological level.
Your students should show how to tie dress and set any knot that is being shown. Also it is not standard to use webbing and water knots and double biners as setting for ropes, as you can not do that from the ground. and Why are you using screw gate biners? read Tree climbers companion it is interesting.
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?SAFETY SAFETY why would recommend tying a knot in tube webbing period, you even say the tails tend to creep, when endless slings, or round slings can be purchased for about the same price. Here is my point you have these organizations behind you, your telling people if you don't have money to get the proper equipment we recommend the more risky method. If you don't have the money to climb STAY out of the trees.
The millions of climbers in the world who do this daily would find your comment hilarious. It isn't unsafe to tie knots in slings. The practice is almost universal. However, one must understand the limitations of the equipment. It doesn't require money to be safe. One might as well say the millions of people who use gri gri's for rappelling should stay hime and work until they can afford a Petzl ID! The great utility of tying knots in slings is the versatility. You can use these lengths - safely - for many different purposes.