Dude, it made me so happy when he talked about not remembering anything from his childhood. I suffer from ADHD as well and can barely remember ANYTHING from my childhood. I'm always so frustrated, insecure, and embarrased about it.
Honestly I think a lot of it is the problem with our executive functioning. We can't instantly recall the memories when we try. They have to be recalled a different way. I have times when I'm not there. It manifests itself in the times I'm habitually late to places. It's like a weird state where I'm not really there and time and urgency are absent. I feel like I'm very much there during the times I can't remember. I just don't think I can *actively* recall those memories.
I've never had any sort of official diagnosis of anything but I've always had really bad memory.. I can remember very little from anything under 10-12 years old. From like 16 and younger it's mostly just the really traumatic stuff that I can remember... Might also be related to the alcohol and substance abuse from 17 into my lower 20s.. but when people can talk about their past and know exactly what year things happened and everything it amazes me
@@mielivalta its been mostly a curse for me because i cant really analyze my surroundings completely with a half distorted awareness of the external world. before i did lots of processing, i would just be hella disconnected from reality. but now that im aware that im aware of my subconscious processes and its preventing me from fully immersing myself in the moment, its incredibly empowering because now i can do what i want since i understand. fully immerse myself in the moment or have split awareness between my surroundings and my subconscious? process my subconscious emotions and then fully immerse myself in the moment or leave it for later?
it's more like owning a good CPU and shitty RAM (especially because ADHD affects mostly short term memory and emotional control). The CPU is working nonstop and the RAM looses every third datapoint it's given. So fidgeting is like doing a file compression (or some other CPU intensive task) in the background. It slows down you CPU enough so your RAM can keep up with it. I think the problem is described much better this way around.
@@rudolphdandelion6840 Tell me about it, I went to an exermination and they straight up told me (in other words) I'm too hard to handle for their paygrade I have to go to where the hardcore f*d up minds are in a clinic. No attempt was even made. I guess at least they where honest.
When he said mizkif doesn’t know how to grief and just forgets, I felt that. Not learning how to grief or just deal with something you can’t control is something I hate
me too omg, for me its out of sight out of mind i have had to start unpacking so much grief and guilt and shame that i've buried for years since my adhd diagnosis
Yeah, i think he was also talking about grieving the fact that you'll never be able to be present or remember most things and you have to make a conscious effort to do something that most people find easy or don't even have to think about, while accepting that it's okay to be like that
And bro I relate with that so much the anxiety at night! I used to always say "I have spent countless hours lying awake thinking of how tired i will be the next day- and if i could stop thinking about it i wouldnt be"
idk if this would help at all, but when my mind is awash with weird negative thoughts or remembering that cringey thing I did in 3rd grade or whatever, I just tell myself that I'm only thinking it because I'm tired. So I just try not to give any of these bedtime thoughts that much attention since they don't have like any particular significance right then
For me I sleep fine bc I listen to relaxing stuff and just drift off... but waking up is terrible because my brain starts thinking and I'm chill for a bit but very quickly I start thinking anxious thoughts, and I desperately try to fall back asleep because I don't want to face the rest of the day knowing I'm going to be so anxious and depressed. All of this before my eyes have opened or my head leaves the pillow.
@@mielieu1513 i think its amazing for some people and i think meds saved my life when i did take them. I hope you doing better now homie. I am a math guy and i just couldn't hold things in my head like i used to when i was on the meds so i stopped cause i was sad i lost the 1 thing i was good at. The meds are very strong and very effective and just cause they ended up kinda making me feel dumb doesnt mean it does that to you :) keep killin it Mielieu
As a woman who suffers from ADHD (girls tend to go undiagnosed less than boys) I relate heavily to the struggles Miz talks about... the zoning out, feeling like you're never really there, feeling almost out of reality, depersonalization .... I really really appreciate the transparency and destigmitization 👏🏼
Great comment. I'm a woman with ADHD too :) Quick typo correction: You mean girls are undiagnosed "more than" boys. Or girls are "diagnosed" less than them.
@Chando I don't think that's true. It just presents differently but it's equally as common. The research might not have caught up but I've spent enough time in adult ADHD spaces to know there's tons of women usually outweighing the men there.
@@ChandoTheMando "Perhaps a much more likely explanation is that more women look for attention online" And somehow YOUR hypothesis is more reasonable than, say, the underdiagnosis of ADHD? I'm not inclined to accept explanations that aim to dispel systemic problems and project them onto the individual; that's not how people work, and it just makes more questions than answers. For example, WHY would women be "looking for attention" where men are not? What systems would be driving this behavior? For the people that make these statements, I find there's a fairly consequential predetermined answer. One which is openly misogynistic and does not invite discussion but rather discourages it. As a man (since it matters so much to you) diagnosed with ADHD who has spent time in these "spaces," there's a greater sense of distress for women with ADHD. I've seen the accounts for many of these women who have a harder time having discussions surrounding ADHD, no thanks in part to the stigma which brings accusations of "attention seeking" when women voice their genuine concerns. There's a real problem which seems to be intersectional here: for men, ADHD has a stereotype which has been cemented over decades of underdiagnosis and improper representation of the disorder which pushes diagnostic criteria to favor the "H" more than the "AD". For women, the ways that ADHD presents itself (whether by cultural or psychological factors) lean more heavily into inattentive presentations-- the form which, again, does not effectively reflect the stereotypes surrounding ADHD. As a result, there's a severe underdiagnosis of the condition which disproportionately affects women. Combine that with the aforementioned stigma, and treatment for women becomes all the more difficult. This is my understanding of the issue, disagree as you might... just don't try and tell me that this is a narrative that women are manufacturing "for attention."
@@ChandoTheMando First of all, no. Stigmas DO make treatment harder-- on the one hand, there are breathing human beings who hand out your prescriptions and handle diagnosis. When you're told that your ADHD is anxiety by several different psychologists who are uninterested in actually addressing your concerns, that is a direct barrier to finding treatment. On the other, being stigmatized for your condition sows self-doubt and makes seeking treatment harder on an individual level. Whether you like to claim it or not, we all "value the opinion of strangers" because our sense of self is also partly constructed by our perception of others. Having a group of people who share your views or opinions isn't "attention seeking," it's a fairly normal social behavior and it's important for maintaining self-esteem. For some people, that comes in the form of being part of a larger community. Also, suggesting that a problem exists for one demographic isn't bigotry. I never claimed that women were more inclined toward attention seeking, and failing to provide any meaningful explanation on how a systemic problem translates to an individual one still does not reflect well for your position. Even by your own position, you acknowledge that social factors play a large role in the way that individuals present themselves. To suggest that this doesn't also apply to women, and that this could not factor into a different presentation of ADHD, coping strategies, or masking behaviors is giving the human mind too much credit. Pulling the "colorblindness" card for women doesn't solve problems, and it only further entrenches the boundary for addressing them; if women really do experience ADHD the same as men, then the suggestion you've presented here is that women's concerns aren't valid because they are inclined towards "attention seeking"... again, we're back to blaming the victim. Also I never said that men don't experience social pressures, either: quite the opposite. I stated that the stereotype which grounds ADHD in men actively undermines the diagnosis for the wider spectrum of ADHD symptoms. It happened to me, and in saying that women face similar problems I am not in any way detracting from that. The pressures you describe are exactly WHY is took me so long to finally seek a diagnosis. My problem wasn't in securing the diagnosis, though, so much as it was acknowledging that I did need help. I also find this position quite ironic on your part: why should people telling you to "push through the pain" be considered a "force" or "social pressure" if we shouldn't value the opinions of strangers? What really makes these strangers so different from the people close to us, when they would surely be those same strangers to everyone else? Also, men DO seek validating spaces. Just because they don't actively discuss their personal problems or emotions doesn't mean that they do not have "spaces". Generally, political spaces exist and I would argue that they aren't constructed for genuine critique but for the unification of ideas and validation of the individual. It's also a fairly poor generalization, because the tendency towards these discussions is also partly rooted in the spaces themselves. Some men DO have these discussions, and some spaces encourage them more. If you're in a space which stigmatizes discussing personal problems for men, maybe you should try and find another...
yeah tbh i got introduced to mizkif thru healthy gamer and so i followed and everytime i go on twitch ill click his stream but sometimes i end up switching to something else
@@annak3325 I’d encourage an attempt sit through like 2-3 hours of one of his streams. He’s a bit of a Dick(to the point you wonder if he has Aspergers sometimes) but his comedic timing is ridiculous. The dude can make very boring things funny and is a lot more self aware than most streamers on the platform. #sponsoredbymiz #mywifeandkidsaresafenow #yo
doesn't matter the streamer with Dr. K. we get to see the more human side of so many different types of people, and how they can help improve themselves. its beautiful
This was fucking incredible. Just cried my eyes out. I deal with bad anxiety. My biggest problem is the combination between adhd and anxiety. I have 6 layers of terrible anxious thoughts and memories all fighting in my head constantly. Ugh this was such a relief to be explained
I don't think I've seen anyone in my life explain the layers thing and how bad the depersonalization is. Props to Mizkif for being so smart, self aware and articulate. These ADHD talks with him have really helped me. Thank you to both of you.
I'm so amazad how Dr. K pauzed the line he was going for at 20:42 because he noticed there was a need for mizzkiff to share how rough it has been for him. It shows how he good he is at his proffesion and how he can read/feel people. And the patience he has. What an absolute beast and blessing to see someone so decaded to helping others.
Wow, never knew he had Depersonalization, makes me feel less lonely in this. It's easy to feel like you are the only one in the world going through it because you are so far from reality all the time.
Hey I had depersonalisation a couple of years ago when I was in school. Looking back now (and recently someone said in a youtube vid) I realise this was because of how much anxiety and depression I had and my brain just decided to 'disconnect' from reality. I used to say things like 'is this real life', 'is this a simulation' and even felt like doing some crazy shit sometimes because 'its not real'. despite how crazy it was, after I graduated I spent the next 6 months healing from my anxiety and depression by socialising more and getting out in nature and before I knew it, I no longer had it. Trust me when I say that it WILL get better and I know that corona has happened and locked us all down and it must be even harder but understand that by going about your life and doing things that will better improve your situation even if it doesn't feel real will help tremendously and your future self will thank you.
@@Dreuco22 Thanks for the answer. I have had it for 12 years, and most of those years I was self "medicating" with alcohol and bensos, for about 7 years. I have been completely sober for 14 months and been recovering from the damages from bensos since. I'm slowly getting better but the DP, anxiety and paranoia, to name a few, has been through the roof. Also lots of physical symptoms that doctors can't seem to figure out. So i guess it's mainly time that i need for the brain to heal from the bensos. What I'm saying is that I have never really tried to heal from DP. I really tried the first couple of years before I kinda gave up and started using drugs to forget this feeling. Because no one knew what it was, no doctor had any clue, and at that time there wasn't even any info on it on the internet. But since about 14 months ago I managed to kick the bensos which I have been trying to do for so long. Went cold turkey and ended up in the hospital because i couldn't sleep, I stayed awake for a whole week and were completely delirious. They gave me a bunch of sleeping pills but I still couldn't sleep. So yeah. This is the first time I'm actually trying to get better from this. I'm not planning on drinking alcohol or doing any type of drug ever again. I have been "dead" for 12 years and I'm so sick and tired of it. I don't want anything than the real sober feeling back. No drug in the world is worth sacrificing you sanity for. I have had some glimpses of the "real" world and feeling real again, and it's better than any drug, it's awesome. So that is my plan.
Mizkif running to get a pen and paper bc he feels the need to draw his thoughts, and Dr. K fully supporting him and telling him to go get it. 🤣 That was amazing
For me too. I've been struggling this past weeks after leaving concerta and being given sertraline for some time to help with anxiety, which just disbalanced all my neurotransmitters
Take it from an old guy with heavy ADHD. Exercise a LOT, and learn to eat CLEAN! Your mind needs all the cooperation from your body it can get. Lose the loser friends. Keep studying everything healthy. Start small, and if you fuck up a lot, it doesn't matter... keep getting back up. You got this. Good luck!
@@I9IIEIIYIIEIIS It's funny that all of your advice applies to what I've done in the past 5 years. Excluding morning and evening meditation which is pretty much mandatory for me to get anything done. It's something I've replaced methylphenidate with.
@@rayandaoud9715 Ah yes, just remembered, I watched one twice and the other one as well. Really this stuff really helps me scheduling my day, and also Mizkif is a bit of an inspiration for me.
When Mizkif mentioned he feels like his mind or life is a kaleidoscope it really kind of confirms what I've realised about people with ADHD (like me). The realization is that people like us simply have more highly interconnected brains almost like that of a person on psychedelics.
52:25 is the moment I identified with the most so far and I love the energy of "IM GOING" THE DOING THE ACTION Stopping the loop of not completing your thoughts is powerful AF!!
dr k says something mind blowing... i suddenly realize i been in my own head thinking and completely missed 20 minutes of him talking so i gotta restart vid again. and again and again and again :(
Haha, I didnt even notice :D I made the automatic connection like Dr.K. when he ment that Maya notified Mizkif about the furnature arriving. But Mizkif spun that as a joke as if he took it literally. Kind of brilliant actually :D
I can't remember much from my childhood, but my failures stick with me for life. I'm still ashamed of stuff I said and did when I was 4. Nobody but me remembers those times though. With this, my entire life is chronicled in my head as a collection of failures and only failures. Thank you, dr. K, for your channel and all the video's dedicated to ADHD. I haven't been diagnosed yet and don't have the time for it, but these video's help me understand so much about my life and experiences.
I felt that when Dr. K mentioned having too much ram and being at 130% capacity. It's so exhausting, everytime I study (or at least when I used to) I'm focused, which is good, but that extra energy gets used up so quickly cause I'm always hyperfocused. Lately I've started meditating though and it's gotten marginally better so I'm gonna keep that up and hopefully not get that exhaustion anymore.
I’ve been having this problem too...I have a hard time being consistent with studying because I burn myself out every time. I also have a hard time stopping once I get going. I am trying to learn moderation and consistency.
@@tesladrew2608 oof, I don't know how to deal with that, but have you tried pomodoro for example? I'd say try that and try different activities for the breaks, then notice what are the ones you get too distracted too and avoid them. I don't think I could give you a better answer, sorry
One of the best 'centering' exercise (which is also super good for the cardiovascular system) is one part of the Wim-Hof method; At the end of your shower, turn the water to cold. Coldest you can. Stay there for 15 seconds (goal of 2 mins 30 after 10-30 days). Man I can tell you it's impossible to think about something else when it hits your body, you're there, in the moment, surviving. Feels great afterwards too.
@@megapet777 Yea, it does at first. But after a couple days you can even manage the initial shock and not react anymore. I'd say first 15 seconds are the worst, after that the body goes sorta numb and it feels 'fine'. Same thing as walking in snow barefoot, first 1-2 minutes are painful then your body just adapts and it's ok. If you want to see the full health benefits you can check out 'The Wim-Hof Method' book by Wim Hof himself, everything is fully backed by science. Main focus of the book is his respiration technique though, but cold showers/ice baths are a strong pillar in it.
@@UndeadFleshgod For me it really doesn't get easier. Maybe I should try do it more often. About the snow thing, that doesn't seem hard to me. I could easily walk barefoot in snow, if I had to.
@@megapet777 focus on your breathing in through the nose out through the mouth, also feel your body relaxing (coordinate with your breath, as in breathing with your whole body not just lungs & stomach,) and just do it, accept it and stay, the cold will start to feel warm
This pandemic has been great for me with school. I have severe ADHD and the fact that my classes get recorded and me being able to watch them in my own speed has really helped me. The last two years have been my most productive years in all of my time studying.
This stream has finally convinced me to really see a specialist for my ADHD. Mizkif touches on a lot of issues I have and despite me learning a lot on my own, Dr K addresses them in really helpful ways with a lot of insight.
As someone with ADHD this actually was so relatable I am shocked. The takeaway I got is self acceptance, don't punish yourself with expectations of how you *should* be living life, and find something to take away your excess mental energy
OMG... that is such a profound realization. Avoiding trying something because you think you're bad at it is not acceptance, it's denial. It only becomes acceptance once you're willing to try, knowing that you'll fail, because you accepted that being bad at it is who you are.
I found this very eye opening. When you suggested the toy, I ran and grabbed my fidget cube. Between note taking and playing with that, I felt like I absorbed a whole lot more than I would have. Shout out to Mizkif. He did us all a favor by taking this interview and giving us extra insight. I hope everything goes well for you dude.
I found this guy last night. Been up all night watching and listening. Ive never in my life felt validation for what ive been feeling more than now with this man sharing his experiences. The fact that hes able to paint a picture of whats in my head is unsettling and comforting at the same time….
I've had ADHD my whole life and I relate to a lot of these, especially the memory loss. I can remember anything academic because it's important for school and important to me, but my childhood is pretty much a blank, and I'm only 18. I found that doing something like playing with something like his deck of cards, really helps. For me, swimming always created a focus point for me. For some reason in the water my mind goes blank and I can focus on the moment. Idk if its like that for anyone else.
i’m in college now but the biggest thing i miss from high school is swim. it was the only time i could block out all of my other thoughts and focus on one thing.
Hey dr. K idk if you will see this but i want to thank you for all the knowledge youve shared with us, for me it has been one of the most valuable resources in quarantine. Hope you recover from the vaccine asap, god bless you :)
This was probably the most relatable conversation I’ve heard from someone with ADHD and very eye opening. The part about not remembering things hit hard. My memory sort of feels like someone else’s memory at times. Like I’ll remember something, but the memory itself feels like I’m remembering a movie or tv show. It doesn’t feel like my own memory. And then when u explained the focus, and juggling multiple things it felt like finally someone understands!
55:00 this is really important. I've only been diagnosed with ADHD 6 months ago and I'm in my late 20s. Just by observing some of the "issues" or "layers" whatever you wanna call them, but just by understanding that you are what you are, it almost makes it go away because it can't trick you anymore so it gives up. That's how it feels. It's almost like you kill the "motivation" of that thing happening so it just stops affecting you for the moment. I am very impulssive and all my life I have been very mean to people around me for no reason ( the reasaon was because nothing really interesting was going on ) but now I can be like "I see you are growing inside, but you cannot do what you want to do anymore".
The way you are able to guide conversations and direct people to find answers is honestly incredible... It always seems like you know how to ask the right questions. Also, I love when when I can see the "aha" moment in your eyes and you start to build momentum. I don't know, its super satisfying to watch, and I would assume super satisfying to do.
Him describing his experience of ADHD is super accurate to how my ADHD manifests. No matter what I'm doing, there's another focus in my head. Even when I'm not thinking about anything in particular, there's music playing. The only time I'm completely focused is when I'm doing something that takes my mind and body to be coordinated. I need visual, auditory and physical stimulation all focused on the same task to have an ounce of focus. I have to distract myself from myself to get a bit of focus.
closing eyes removes visual stimulation, so less distraction. The more you learn about yourself the more control you'll be able to have. For me, the hardest is shutting down the constant self talk, thankfully there is meditation, which I'm getting used to as much as drinking water when I'm thirsty.
I had depersonalization along with my ADDand it was the worst. What I finally found out is that because you think about it so much it causes anxiety which leads to you thinking about it even more, thus continuing the cycle. Fixing the anxiety fixes it almost immediately or at least that’s what happened to me.
The UA-cam algorithm must have been listening to my conversations over the past 2 days, this memory/focus stuff is precisely what I've been working through
I relate to Mizfit (hope I spelt that correctly) so much and I completely understand how he has a hard time communicating what he is feeling/ experiencing in the moment. I always say I feel it, but have no words to communicate it. It can be quite frustrating and lonely . Listening to the two of you communicate has opened my eyes to what I need in a psychiatrist. I don't want to be medicated, I just need someone to identify the areas in my mind, that seem normal to me, in which I cannot identify as causing me hardship in excelling my future. Thank you both for this! I have learned so much more through these videos than the psychologist that I just recently got referred to. Through the discussions that the two you have, I feel that I am more educated to find the psychologist that I need . I definitely feel/know I have ADD or ADHD. Either way, I still need direction in organizing my life. Thanks again to you both!
Wow i thought i was the only person who was having anxiety only at night. The way mizkif described his anxiety at night is exactly what im dealing with for years. I don't know what to do about that though
My mom was diagnosed at 40. I wa diagnosed late at 14 as having the highest severity ADHD recognized by research (really in depth evaluation). My mom was diagnosed 4 years later, as she realized she may need to change jobs, and she only got away with her ADHD shit at work, because her bosses we're old and didn't know how to use technology so she utilized that.
I'm turning 50 next month, and I'm in the process of being screened for it, but if you know, you know. You're lucky you haven't wasted your entire life having it untreated. There's lots you can do at 27.
I have been diagnosed later in life and it's exactly the same for me. I can't enjoy being in the moment. I'm always thinking or stressing about something. I can't look at a view and take it in or sit on the beach and relax. I'm always thinking about whats next. I'm always on edge.
This entire video is incredibly enlightening. Whenever I need direction in life I watch Dr. K. I found that mizkif is also incredibly aware of the state he's in, he just doesn't realize it. I feel his pains and am going through the same things when I am unmedicated.
I can relate so much about not being in the present moment. It can be absolutely soul crushing when it happens during sex. Dr.K is right though. Focus is just something you can achieve with practice and discipline. Good luck to everyone out there
No. Focus with ADHD is completely random, and you have no control over it on a NEUROLOGICAL level. It's not a matter of discipline, it is a lack of certain brain chemicals and the ability to use them efficiently. Medication and therapy is the only thing that has evidence that works, with exercise being SUPPLEMENTRY. No amount of shaming, and forcing yourself to "just do it," is going to work for genuine sufferers of ADHD.
@@audreydoyle5268 I have thought about this for a few weeks now and I just don't like the "only therapy and medication helps" when I have improved my quality of life dramatically through acceptance and introspection. The mind is a complicated beast as shown by the placebo effect. My condition is borderline personality disorder. I know it's about serotonin levels in the brain. Maybe there's more answers than the easy road they teach you in school.
I feel like I keep coming to a lot of these personal revelations and then there's a video the next day explaining it all to me and it shatters my ego again.
Mizkif and Dr. K's convos are actually sooo wholesome. I don't have ADHD but I really love and appreciate these convos cause it's eye opening but also super fun. Appreciate you all a lot Dr. K and team!!!
This makes me realize that by trying to learn to meditate, after years of "practice" (or rather "training" this meditation thing) I came into acceptance. I observed my intrusive thoughts and deconstructed them, and accepted them. And I feel that cured my worsed anxiety issues. Now I also know that I'm autistic (figured it out few months), and I struggle with needing to do a lot of different things to be satisfied. This is also problematic thing, because if I focus on one thing too much it creates anxiety, because I need everything to be solved.
Honestly these Mizkif episodes are insanely nice to have out. I have minor ADHD and while I had figured out a couple of these things on my own, what Dr. K and Miz say on here are super nice for my brain.
Absolutely phenomenal how Mizkif breaks down your concept... Makes a great teacher!!! I'm actually blown away... Only once in my school career did I have such a teacher (in chemistry), whatever he explained I understood deeply and didn't really have to study to keep it in my mind.
Medical school is about medicine, as long as you understand the core issues of adhd, course, prognosis, diagnosis and treatment/cure, then they did their job.
He tends to let himself get carried away by overthinking. What helps me in such moments is to focus on the best decision for myself, reminding myself that I am the most important person in my life. Shifting attention back to myself, rather than external noise, can be grounding. Sitting with our pain is also valuable advice. People with ADHD often get swept up in distractions and lose touch with their sense of presence. We’re here, but not fully here.
This is the first time I've heard of another person describing their mind as layers all the way down to the subconscious. Teared up throughout the video because I always felt alone in this and never talked about those thoughts to anyone. Very similar ADHD and very similar way we look at our individual minds, nearly identical almost. Glad I watched this video
Holy s**t! I related to a lot of what Mizkif described and when DrK said you need to grieve but don't know how because your mind taught you how to forget..my jaw dropped and I actually got choked up. That really hit a raw nerve. I've never understood it or felt seen like that. So grateful for this! Thank you!
I like how you are able to understand and translate what he is trying to say in real time for us to watch it. Ex: how he was explaining how he has never lived in the moment in his life and you’re able to ask if he meant “being in the present moment”.
I've had ADHD all my life and depersonalization issues the past couple of years so hearing miz talk about this feels great. I play his streams in the background most nights so its pretty awesome to be able to relate. The way he describes not feeling like he's in the moment he's actually in and being on autopilot is put really well. I never expected to hear this stuff come from him.
this made me tear up... i was gonna write more abt how this video make me feel but i cant formulate my thoughts but it seriously meant a lot i love u dr k and mizkif
Love these talks with Mizkif. I've struggled with ADD my entire life and find his explanations and issues so relatable. I think the biggest takeaway for me was realizing that focus is a skill that I can practice and slowly improve.
Recently discovered this channel and let me tell you, holy shit I have never felt so validated and encouraged in my entire life. You're doing amazing and thank you. Also this, the layers and observations and what not? Dude, the feels. Exactly that, I know how it is to think like that and it's kinda hell. And not fighting it really has helped the most.
This video has been so opening for me. I realized watching this that ive been unconsciously doing some of these steps to help improve presence of mind and self. Some nights when i am having trouble sleeping instead of wondering why i cant sleep. I just say, its ok, i wont fall asleep right now. I will wait till i do. Then i fall asleep without realizing it till i wake up. There were nights where i was fighting my thoughts for so long i was laying in bed for 8 hours and then i finally give up on fighting tland thats when i get my sleep. I thought i had sleep issues, i just have an over active mind. These past 2 days ive been learning alot about adhd and why my mind works the way it does and it just been such an amazing feeling to finally be able to understand myself like this
oh gosh i've 9 layers of mind i guess... and i'm never aware of less than 4 of them - a therapy voice, only reminding me of where i might have been unaware of an own lie or any form of confabulation or error - then any "we" and "you" thoughts, aimed at keeping track of meta-tasks, evaluating situations and post-processing other thoughts, including insights like this here - then the actual task-relevant thoughts, like voice loops of that video i've seen, cross-sectional associations morphed into full mental imageries - then the "i" thoughts and sensory related constant noise like immediate mood and cognition shifts because of where i looked at - then all tetris effects, or auditive and visual learning processes of things i recently had a hyperfocus on - then earworms and other pesky loops of irrelevant and annoying memory fragments - then a worry layer with a constant regurgitating of sad and bad memories - then another layer of visual imagary depicted as literal landscapes of my global feelings (meditation / hypnagogia / daydreaming) - then a pre-verbal layer of all kinds of memories, where all traumatic memories and urges are treated in the same weird neutral way edit: or shorter, my mind is hecking noisy, busy and a chaotic mix of frickin everything at once! only during meditation i can "see" more of my stability, sheesh.
As a person who suffers from ADHD, anxiety disorder + intrusive thoughts(ocd), going to gym and running 3 times a week outdoors really helped me. My intrusive thoughts nearly disappeared, and my anxiety and ADHD is getting better. It is also very beneficial for your body!
I think so many of these mental health issues are springing up because the types of work available to people are becoming less diverse. The type of worker we accept as “valuable” is becoming more and more confining. So many people have to settle for jobs that are just not a good fit for them.
@@GhostSamaritan gardening is SUCH hard work but it makes me so happy it's the most present I feel while trimming berry bushes or weeding flower beds even if the weather is bad and I'm physically miserable, it's just so worth it born 2 farm forced 2 code😤
Yeah. My theory is that my sister is going through the same. She thinks she is satisfied with her job and also convinced herself of that but no matter what she achieves (most in her field would kill for it) all she feels is a slight improvement in mood and perpetually thinks something is missing. She doesn't feel her achievements even if it takes beyond 100% effort from her. I could be wrong obv. but whatever it is I kinda feel sad for her. Unfortunately, this is something she will have to figure out for herself.
2 years later and I find this video - absolutely fantastic by the way. Resonated so much - it's so exhausting not allowing yourself to go with the flow, to be constantly fighting with that feeling of 'but I should be..." whatever. This really helps me a lot
I'm not a doctor but from the research I've done is a fear flight response from your body anticipating something happening. It's protection mechanism. I really wish you would do an interview with somebody who's highly sensitive person and how much that truly affects somebody's life versus everybody else in the world.
the way he described playing with the cards and how being distracted with that specific thing somehow helps him focus on something else is exactly what happens when I'm listening to music
Good lord I connect with Miz so so much. I've never met someone that experienced this the same way. Maybe because of the insight being there during the session. Maybe people just don't share this deep information. Thank you for this Dr. K!
Dr. K's colander analogy is so true for my ADHD as well. I thought I was the only one. The worst part is that my body still remembers the bad stuff even though my mind doesn't.
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I love when miskif is on. I learn so much and I can relate a lot on what he is experiencing
So much good stuff in this video I randomly stumbled upon. What an honest conversation. I relate in so many ways. Especially the ADHD discussion. Thank you for sharing and opening up. Brave.
I watched this when it came out as well as the previous livestream with Mizkif. Now a couple of months later, I feel like my mind is much clearer and I can actually do things that I truly want to do. My attention is the same, for things I like I have inhuman focus but for things I don't like I don't focus much at all. But what has truly changed is the fact that before I couldn't even do the things I wanted to do, like get productive work done that I see a purpose for or other types of self-discipline. Noticing and realizing that some things are not in my control has made a ton of difference in making me a lot more able with things that I want to focus my attention on. Thank you Dr. K, from the bottom for my heart.
Holy shit I’m so glad I found this man. My ADHD is just as bad as Miz if not worse at times and I’ve been beating myself up because I watched the first video with these two and I really want to watch the second one because I’ve been working and struggling because I’m doing that 9 to 5 every day currently so I can survive out here. I really like the video title because even though I take meds daily for work at least, whatever these tactics are I’m sure they would help even more for someone who is also on meds currently and it’s taking me two days to come back. 28:10, and when he tells him how beautiful it was that he just discovered this way to focus, to meditate while playing with something in his hand…… I was literally doing the exact same thing and I’ve been playing with this thing for the last 20 minutes and I haven’t moved my eyes from the video.. and realizing what the doctor is saying I swear I started crying, in my head I was feeling the same and reflected on how many times I do this when I need to focus on something or when I catch myself hyper focused on something but playing with something else in my head. The realization, after doing it subconsciously for probably my whole life, yeah I started crying. Thank you doctor.
Watching that stream years later, after just understanding my own ADHD and I agree Mizkif here did amazing with explaining the inner work of his mind and getting to the conclusions too once guided by Dr.K. Very insightful, all of it.
HEY! I JUST FOUND THIS AND THIS IS ME. Like I have those issues Mizkif has. Diagnosed adhd, take Adderall, etc. No heart problems tho, thankfully. I wanna link this to my friends, maybe they'll understand why I say random things, am forgetful, etc. Love your chats, thanks for doing what you do 🙂
Mischief just shows how weird ADHD perfectionism (and anxiety) is. Like, we remember all the times we fuc*up to try to not repeat but do anyway cause we are so stressed all the time. And how it feeds the "racing thoughts" a lot a feeds the cicle
A thought that came out to me while I was watching this video was that when the idea of the memories leaving a collander, it made me realize what it feels like for me. I feel like when I'm not "present" in a conversation, I don't partake in the conversation, but I'd almost "record" the moment in my head to remember and enjoy at a different time, but think about something else while "recording".
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Dude, it made me so happy when he talked about not remembering anything from his childhood. I suffer from ADHD as well and can barely remember ANYTHING from my childhood. I'm always so frustrated, insecure, and embarrased about it.
Depression can affect memory retention as well. There are ways to improve it.
Honestly I think a lot of it is the problem with our executive functioning. We can't instantly recall the memories when we try. They have to be recalled a different way. I have times when I'm not there. It manifests itself in the times I'm habitually late to places. It's like a weird state where I'm not really there and time and urgency are absent. I feel like I'm very much there during the times I can't remember. I just don't think I can *actively* recall those memories.
I remember a few months ago some old friends from middle school found me on Snapchat, it was like 3 ppl and I remembered none of them 😭😭
I don’t know why but i remember everything but have bad add
I've never had any sort of official diagnosis of anything but I've always had really bad memory.. I can remember very little from anything under 10-12 years old. From like 16 and younger it's mostly just the really traumatic stuff that I can remember... Might also be related to the alcohol and substance abuse from 17 into my lower 20s.. but when people can talk about their past and know exactly what year things happened and everything it amazes me
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Dr. K: "Most human beings are not aware of their subconscious processes. Whereas you are."
Mizkif: " _Oh god_ "
I felt that.
Same
Wait that's why-
Oh god indeed
I have always taken it as some sort of superpower, to be able to be aware of the subconscious. It is sometimes quite taxing yes but also incredible.
@@mielivalta its been mostly a curse for me because i cant really analyze my surroundings completely with a half distorted awareness of the external world. before i did lots of processing, i would just be hella disconnected from reality. but now that im aware that im aware of my subconscious processes and its preventing me from fully immersing myself in the moment, its incredibly empowering because now i can do what i want since i understand. fully immerse myself in the moment or have split awareness between my surroundings and my subconscious? process my subconscious emotions and then fully immerse myself in the moment or leave it for later?
@@kawosdhdos Niiiiice
I love how he was like "this won't make sense to anyone" and I'm over here like "this is the first time someone has accurately explained my brain"
Mizkifs brain is like chrome with 15 different tabs open
I have 37 tabs open right now.... goddamnit. And a good portion of them are Dr. K videos.
My tabs are currently in internet explorer
it's more like owning a good CPU and shitty RAM (especially because ADHD affects mostly short term memory and emotional control). The CPU is working nonstop and the RAM looses every third datapoint it's given. So fidgeting is like doing a file compression (or some other CPU intensive task) in the background. It slows down you CPU enough so your RAM can keep up with it. I think the problem is described much better this way around.
On mobile chrome stops showing how many tabs you have open if it's over 99. I have no clue how many I have open and I don't think I wanna know
I have had like 30+ tabs for months now. I really want to get rid of them xD
I'd do just about anything to have a psychiatrist like this.
Yep, mine just says a few useless stuffs and asks a few useless questions, and then charge me for the pills.
@@sigvardbjorkman most of them are horrible. most people dont have an option.
@@rudolphdandelion6840 Tell me about it, I went to an exermination and they straight up told me (in other words) I'm too hard to handle for their paygrade I have to go to where the hardcore f*d up minds are in a clinic. No attempt was even made. I guess at least they where honest.
@@Vexreal_ sadly
Well in a way you have one! As Dr K says when he discusses groups, sometimes watching or being present for others therapy sessions teaches you a lot
When he said mizkif doesn’t know how to grief and just forgets, I felt that. Not learning how to grief or just deal with something you can’t control is something I hate
I felt that too and it put a lot of the pieces of the puzzle into place, and explained most of my past actions and even, my current ones!
me too omg, for me its out of sight out of mind i have had to start unpacking so much grief and guilt and shame that i've buried for years since my adhd diagnosis
Grief, is not the word you're looking for. Ie. verbify it.
Yeah, i think he was also talking about grieving the fact that you'll never be able to be present or remember most things and you have to make a conscious effort to do something that most people find easy or don't even have to think about, while accepting that it's okay to be like that
And bro I relate with that so much the anxiety at night! I used to always say "I have spent countless hours lying awake thinking of how tired i will be the next day- and if i could stop thinking about it i wouldnt be"
idk if this would help at all, but when my mind is awash with weird negative thoughts or remembering that cringey thing I did in 3rd grade or whatever, I just tell myself that I'm only thinking it because I'm tired. So I just try not to give any of these bedtime thoughts that much attention since they don't have like any particular significance right then
For me I sleep fine bc I listen to relaxing stuff and just drift off... but waking up is terrible because my brain starts thinking and I'm chill for a bit but very quickly I start thinking anxious thoughts, and I desperately try to fall back asleep because I don't want to face the rest of the day knowing I'm going to be so anxious and depressed. All of this before my eyes have opened or my head leaves the pillow.
Currently doing this
tell ur mind to just stfu and sleep
@@mielieu1513 i think its amazing for some people and i think meds saved my life when i did take them. I hope you doing better now homie. I am a math guy and i just couldn't hold things in my head like i used to when i was on the meds so i stopped cause i was sad i lost the 1 thing i was good at. The meds are very strong and very effective and just cause they ended up kinda making me feel dumb doesnt mean it does that to you :) keep killin it Mielieu
"where is your mind in that moment when you start pissing?"-2021's wisest man
"Fully on the piss"
The piss matters.
eckhart tolle punching the air rn xD
truly PissKif
@@dcpark0509 When you had to hold in your piss for 2 hours and are finally at a toilet, you don't give a shit about that
All of the ADHD people reading the comments while watching hahah
I feel exposed 😂
@@zankazunk I did it on my own too.. ADHD brains work more or less the same hahaha
It me
i dont have adhd (I think) but still, why would you do this to me
I should check that with my psycologist.. fuck and I though I only had several anxiety lmao
As a woman who suffers from ADHD (girls tend to go undiagnosed less than boys) I relate heavily to the struggles Miz talks about... the zoning out, feeling like you're never really there, feeling almost out of reality, depersonalization .... I really really appreciate the transparency and destigmitization 👏🏼
Great comment. I'm a woman with ADHD too :)
Quick typo correction: You mean girls are undiagnosed "more than" boys. Or girls are "diagnosed" less than them.
@Chando I don't think that's true. It just presents differently but it's equally as common. The research might not have caught up but I've spent enough time in adult ADHD spaces to know there's tons of women usually outweighing the men there.
@Chando it is NOT much more rare in women. It's much more IGNORED because we're told "you're just overreacting" or "oh is it your period" 😒🙄
@@ChandoTheMando "Perhaps a much more likely explanation is that more women look for attention online"
And somehow YOUR hypothesis is more reasonable than, say, the underdiagnosis of ADHD? I'm not inclined to accept explanations that aim to dispel systemic problems and project them onto the individual; that's not how people work, and it just makes more questions than answers. For example, WHY would women be "looking for attention" where men are not? What systems would be driving this behavior?
For the people that make these statements, I find there's a fairly consequential predetermined answer. One which is openly misogynistic and does not invite discussion but rather discourages it.
As a man (since it matters so much to you) diagnosed with ADHD who has spent time in these "spaces," there's a greater sense of distress for women with ADHD. I've seen the accounts for many of these women who have a harder time having discussions surrounding ADHD, no thanks in part to the stigma which brings accusations of "attention seeking" when women voice their genuine concerns. There's a real problem which seems to be intersectional here: for men, ADHD has a stereotype which has been cemented over decades of underdiagnosis and improper representation of the disorder which pushes diagnostic criteria to favor the "H" more than the "AD". For women, the ways that ADHD presents itself (whether by cultural or psychological factors) lean more heavily into inattentive presentations-- the form which, again, does not effectively reflect the stereotypes surrounding ADHD. As a result, there's a severe underdiagnosis of the condition which disproportionately affects women. Combine that with the aforementioned stigma, and treatment for women becomes all the more difficult. This is my understanding of the issue, disagree as you might... just don't try and tell me that this is a narrative that women are manufacturing "for attention."
@@ChandoTheMando First of all, no. Stigmas DO make treatment harder-- on the one hand, there are breathing human beings who hand out your prescriptions and handle diagnosis. When you're told that your ADHD is anxiety by several different psychologists who are uninterested in actually addressing your concerns, that is a direct barrier to finding treatment. On the other, being stigmatized for your condition sows self-doubt and makes seeking treatment harder on an individual level. Whether you like to claim it or not, we all "value the opinion of strangers" because our sense of self is also partly constructed by our perception of others. Having a group of people who share your views or opinions isn't "attention seeking," it's a fairly normal social behavior and it's important for maintaining self-esteem. For some people, that comes in the form of being part of a larger community.
Also, suggesting that a problem exists for one demographic isn't bigotry. I never claimed that women were more inclined toward attention seeking, and failing to provide any meaningful explanation on how a systemic problem translates to an individual one still does not reflect well for your position. Even by your own position, you acknowledge that social factors play a large role in the way that individuals present themselves. To suggest that this doesn't also apply to women, and that this could not factor into a different presentation of ADHD, coping strategies, or masking behaviors is giving the human mind too much credit. Pulling the "colorblindness" card for women doesn't solve problems, and it only further entrenches the boundary for addressing them; if women really do experience ADHD the same as men, then the suggestion you've presented here is that women's concerns aren't valid because they are inclined towards "attention seeking"... again, we're back to blaming the victim.
Also I never said that men don't experience social pressures, either: quite the opposite. I stated that the stereotype which grounds ADHD in men actively undermines the diagnosis for the wider spectrum of ADHD symptoms. It happened to me, and in saying that women face similar problems I am not in any way detracting from that. The pressures you describe are exactly WHY is took me so long to finally seek a diagnosis. My problem wasn't in securing the diagnosis, though, so much as it was acknowledging that I did need help.
I also find this position quite ironic on your part: why should people telling you to "push through the pain" be considered a "force" or "social pressure" if we shouldn't value the opinions of strangers? What really makes these strangers so different from the people close to us, when they would surely be those same strangers to everyone else?
Also, men DO seek validating spaces. Just because they don't actively discuss their personal problems or emotions doesn't mean that they do not have "spaces". Generally, political spaces exist and I would argue that they aren't constructed for genuine critique but for the unification of ideas and validation of the individual. It's also a fairly poor generalization, because the tendency towards these discussions is also partly rooted in the spaces themselves. Some men DO have these discussions, and some spaces encourage them more. If you're in a space which stigmatizes discussing personal problems for men, maybe you should try and find another...
Mizkif is not my style of streamer (much respect, though). HOWEVER, his chats with Dr. K have been my favorite and most insightful. Wow.
Yes
I highly recomend his talks with connor eats pants
yeah tbh i got introduced to mizkif thru healthy gamer and so i followed and everytime i go on twitch ill click his stream but sometimes i end up switching to something else
@@annak3325 I’d encourage an attempt sit through like 2-3 hours of one of his streams. He’s a bit of a Dick(to the point you wonder if he has Aspergers sometimes) but his comedic timing is ridiculous. The dude can make very boring things funny and is a lot more self aware than most streamers on the platform. #sponsoredbymiz #mywifeandkidsaresafenow #yo
doesn't matter the streamer with Dr. K. we get to see the more human side of so many different types of people, and how they can help improve themselves. its beautiful
This was fucking incredible. Just cried my eyes out. I deal with bad anxiety. My biggest problem is the combination between adhd and anxiety. I have 6 layers of terrible anxious thoughts and memories all fighting in my head constantly. Ugh this was such a relief to be explained
Me too man, little bit of weight off the shoulders
for me its social anxiety and adhd :/
yeahhh for real, and its so hard to make people understand how horrible this actually is
Omg I've never related to a comment more than this
I don't think I've seen anyone in my life explain the layers thing and how bad the depersonalization is. Props to Mizkif for being so smart, self aware and articulate. These ADHD talks with him have really helped me. Thank you to both of you.
This. They’re both so good at explaining things!
I'm so amazad how Dr. K pauzed the line he was going for at 20:42 because he noticed there was a need for mizzkiff to share how rough it has been for him. It shows how he good he is at his proffesion and how he can read/feel people. And the patience he has. What an absolute beast and blessing to see someone so decaded to helping others.
Wow, never knew he had Depersonalization, makes me feel less lonely in this. It's easy to feel like you are the only one in the world going through it because you are so far from reality all the time.
felt bro
Definitely, it's nice knowing that you aren't alone when it sometimes feels like you're in an empty movie theater
Hey I had depersonalisation a couple of years ago when I was in school. Looking back now (and recently someone said in a youtube vid) I realise this was because of how much anxiety and depression I had and my brain just decided to 'disconnect' from reality. I used to say things like 'is this real life', 'is this a simulation' and even felt like doing some crazy shit sometimes because 'its not real'. despite how crazy it was, after I graduated I spent the next 6 months healing from my anxiety and depression by socialising more and getting out in nature and before I knew it, I no longer had it. Trust me when I say that it WILL get better and I know that corona has happened and locked us all down and it must be even harder but understand that by going about your life and doing things that will better improve your situation even if it doesn't feel real will help tremendously and your future self will thank you.
@@Dreuco22 dude thank you i needed this so much
@@Dreuco22 Thanks for the answer. I have had it for 12 years, and most of those years I was self "medicating" with alcohol and bensos, for about 7 years. I have been completely sober for 14 months and been recovering from the damages from bensos since. I'm slowly getting better but the DP, anxiety and paranoia, to name a few, has been through the roof. Also lots of physical symptoms that doctors can't seem to figure out. So i guess it's mainly time that i need for the brain to heal from the bensos.
What I'm saying is that I have never really tried to heal from DP. I really tried the first couple of years before I kinda gave up and started using drugs to forget this feeling. Because no one knew what it was, no doctor had any clue, and at that time there wasn't even any info on it on the internet. But since about 14 months ago I managed to kick the bensos which I have been trying to do for so long. Went cold turkey and ended up in the hospital because i couldn't sleep, I stayed awake for a whole week and were completely delirious. They gave me a bunch of sleeping pills but I still couldn't sleep.
So yeah. This is the first time I'm actually trying to get better from this. I'm not planning on drinking alcohol or doing any type of drug ever again. I have been "dead" for 12 years and I'm so sick and tired of it. I don't want anything than the real sober feeling back. No drug in the world is worth sacrificing you sanity for. I have had some glimpses of the "real" world and feeling real again, and it's better than any drug, it's awesome. So that is my plan.
Mizkif running to get a pen and paper bc he feels the need to draw his thoughts, and Dr. K fully supporting him and telling him to go get it. 🤣 That was amazing
Incredible that dr.k can make people with ADHD understand they've achieved partial enlightenment. The ability to understand yourself is amazing.
Same thought 😂
This came literally at the PERFECT time! As a person stuggling with adhd I’m tearing up over this 😂😂 Thank you...
For me too. I've been struggling this past weeks after leaving concerta and being given sertraline for some time to help with anxiety, which just disbalanced all my neurotransmitters
Take it from an old guy with heavy ADHD. Exercise a LOT, and learn to eat CLEAN! Your mind needs all the cooperation from your body it can get. Lose the loser friends. Keep studying everything healthy. Start small, and if you fuck up a lot, it doesn't matter... keep getting back up. You got this. Good luck!
Same. Priceless content.
@@I9IIEIIYIIEIIS It's funny that all of your advice applies to what I've done in the past 5 years. Excluding morning and evening meditation which is pretty much mandatory for me to get anything done. It's something I've replaced methylphenidate with.
Yo admiral trawn
Please more. As someone with diagnosed ADHD, this helps me a lot in my life! Thank you sooo much!
I recommend his video on motivational types
You can check out the two other streams with mizkif if you haven't already
@@douwehuysmans5959 Thats exactly what Im watching
@@rayandaoud9715 Actually watch his mizkif one twice, but not sure the other stream
@@rayandaoud9715 Ah yes, just remembered, I watched one twice and the other one as well. Really this stuff really helps me scheduling my day, and also Mizkif is a bit of an inspiration for me.
When Mizkif mentioned he feels like his mind or life is a kaleidoscope it really kind of confirms what I've realised about people with ADHD (like me). The realization is that people like us simply have more highly interconnected brains almost like that of a person on psychedelics.
52:25 is the moment I identified with the most so far and I love the energy of "IM GOING"
THE DOING
THE ACTION
Stopping the loop of not completing your thoughts is powerful AF!!
dr k says something mind blowing... i suddenly realize i been in my own head thinking and completely missed 20 minutes of him talking so i gotta restart vid again. and again and again and again :(
I totally relate. I usually rewind at least a dozen times each video. But eventually, I do get to the end! Lol
Same.
"No, she's not my furniture, she's my gf. Kinda similar" I love how confused Dr. K was
Yeah
Haha, I didnt even notice :D
I made the automatic connection like Dr.K. when he ment that Maya notified Mizkif about the furnature arriving. But Mizkif spun that as a joke as if he took it literally. Kind of brilliant actually :D
He was saying “ow” cuz it hurt his ears
@@SETHthegodofchaos he really is good at thinking of jokes
I need timestamp my homies
I can't remember much from my childhood, but my failures stick with me for life. I'm still ashamed of stuff I said and did when I was 4. Nobody but me remembers those times though.
With this, my entire life is chronicled in my head as a collection of failures and only failures.
Thank you, dr. K, for your channel and all the video's dedicated to ADHD. I haven't been diagnosed yet and don't have the time for it, but these video's help me understand so much about my life and experiences.
I felt that when Dr. K mentioned having too much ram and being at 130% capacity. It's so exhausting, everytime I study (or at least when I used to) I'm focused, which is good, but that extra energy gets used up so quickly cause I'm always hyperfocused. Lately I've started meditating though and it's gotten marginally better so I'm gonna keep that up and hopefully not get that exhaustion anymore.
I’ve been having this problem too...I have a hard time being consistent with studying because I burn myself out every time. I also have a hard time stopping once I get going. I am trying to learn moderation and consistency.
have you tried taking a lot of breaks? I think it could help
@@benia1908 once I take a break, I can never seem to get back to task
@@tesladrew2608 oof, I don't know how to deal with that, but have you tried pomodoro for example? I'd say try that and try different activities for the breaks, then notice what are the ones you get too distracted too and avoid them. I don't think I could give you a better answer, sorry
Wow I have never related so hard when miz said he wasn't present and that caused memory issues, holy shit that makes so much sense
The feeling of being there, but not being present - and then having a terrible memory about things is so relatable with my ADHD
One of the best 'centering' exercise (which is also super good for the cardiovascular system) is one part of the Wim-Hof method; At the end of your shower, turn the water to cold. Coldest you can. Stay there for 15 seconds (goal of 2 mins 30 after 10-30 days). Man I can tell you it's impossible to think about something else when it hits your body, you're there, in the moment, surviving. Feels great afterwards too.
i hv sinus problems this thing of cold temperature surely trigger it
I have tried it. Even 10 seconds feels insane
@@megapet777 Yea, it does at first. But after a couple days you can even manage the initial shock and not react anymore. I'd say first 15 seconds are the worst, after that the body goes sorta numb and it feels 'fine'. Same thing as walking in snow barefoot, first 1-2 minutes are painful then your body just adapts and it's ok.
If you want to see the full health benefits you can check out 'The Wim-Hof Method' book by Wim Hof himself, everything is fully backed by science. Main focus of the book is his respiration technique though, but cold showers/ice baths are a strong pillar in it.
@@UndeadFleshgod For me it really doesn't get easier. Maybe I should try do it more often. About the snow thing, that doesn't seem hard to me. I could easily walk barefoot in snow, if I had to.
@@megapet777 focus on your breathing in through the nose out through the mouth, also feel your body relaxing (coordinate with your breath, as in breathing with your whole body not just lungs & stomach,) and just do it, accept it and stay, the cold will start to feel warm
This pandemic has been great for me with school. I have severe ADHD and the fact that my classes get recorded and me being able to watch them in my own speed has really helped me.
The last two years have been my most productive years in all of my time studying.
Congrats!😄
Same
This stream has finally convinced me to really see a specialist for my ADHD. Mizkif touches on a lot of issues I have and despite me learning a lot on my own, Dr K addresses them in really helpful ways with a lot of insight.
As someone with ADHD this actually was so relatable I am shocked.
The takeaway I got is self acceptance, don't punish yourself with expectations of how you *should* be living life, and find something to take away your excess mental energy
OMG... that is such a profound realization. Avoiding trying something because you think you're bad at it is not acceptance, it's denial. It only becomes acceptance once you're willing to try, knowing that you'll fail, because you accepted that being bad at it is who you are.
I found this very eye opening. When you suggested the toy, I ran and grabbed my fidget cube. Between note taking and playing with that, I felt like I absorbed a whole lot more than I would have.
Shout out to Mizkif. He did us all a favor by taking this interview and giving us extra insight. I hope everything goes well for you dude.
Here watching this instead of doing what I should be doing #ADHDgang
LMAO SAME ON ALL COUNTS
You're just lazy..... but nice cope. :)
i mean not everyone that doesnt do what he must has adhd but i get the meme
wait, does people with ADHD have the attention spawn to watch a 1 hour video? I'm guessing you watch at x2 speed?
@@KevinUchihaOG a shit thats me, but to be fair i just do it so i can see more 1 hour vids
Mizkif has legit help me understand my ADHD more than any book or research paper. How the hell does he do it?
U r just supercomputer given a game that runs on normal computer.
I found this guy last night. Been up all night watching and listening. Ive never in my life felt validation for what ive been feeling more than now with this man sharing his experiences.
The fact that hes able to paint a picture of whats in my head is unsettling and comforting at the same time….
I've had ADHD my whole life and I relate to a lot of these, especially the memory loss. I can remember anything academic because it's important for school and important to me, but my childhood is pretty much a blank, and I'm only 18. I found that doing something like playing with something like his deck of cards, really helps. For me, swimming always created a focus point for me. For some reason in the water my mind goes blank and I can focus on the moment. Idk if its like that for anyone else.
i’m in college now but the biggest thing i miss from high school is swim. it was the only time i could block out all of my other thoughts and focus on one thing.
"Most humans are not aware of their subconscious processes where as you are."
"Oh God."
Same. Same
I mean, most people don't need to find ways to explain how they actually think
@@mariethedicedragon5977 us adhd folks really be born on expert mode huh 😭😭
Oh yeah, that bit was great.
adhd gang aha feels good to have people understand you. I hope you are well!
Yeah. Pain.
Hey dr. K idk if you will see this but i want to thank you for all the knowledge youve shared with us, for me it has been one of the most valuable resources in quarantine. Hope you recover from the vaccine asap, god bless you :)
This was probably the most relatable conversation I’ve heard from someone with ADHD and very eye opening. The part about not remembering things hit hard. My memory sort of feels like someone else’s memory at times. Like I’ll remember something, but the memory itself feels like I’m remembering a movie or tv show. It doesn’t feel like my own memory. And then when u explained the focus, and juggling multiple things it felt like finally someone understands!
55:00 this is really important. I've only been diagnosed with ADHD 6 months ago and I'm in my late 20s. Just by observing some of the "issues" or "layers" whatever you wanna call them, but just by understanding that you are what you are, it almost makes it go away because it can't trick you anymore so it gives up. That's how it feels. It's almost like you kill the "motivation" of that thing happening so it just stops affecting you for the moment. I am very impulssive and all my life I have been very mean to people around me for no reason ( the reasaon was because nothing really interesting was going on ) but now I can be like "I see you are growing inside, but you cannot do what you want to do anymore".
The way you are able to guide conversations and direct people to find answers is honestly incredible... It always seems like you know how to ask the right questions. Also, I love when when I can see the "aha" moment in your eyes and you start to build momentum. I don't know, its super satisfying to watch, and I would assume super satisfying to do.
Him describing his experience of ADHD is super accurate to how my ADHD manifests. No matter what I'm doing, there's another focus in my head. Even when I'm not thinking about anything in particular, there's music playing. The only time I'm completely focused is when I'm doing something that takes my mind and body to be coordinated. I need visual, auditory and physical stimulation all focused on the same task to have an ounce of focus. I have to distract myself from myself to get a bit of focus.
Wow, props to this man for allowing his therapy session to be online.
closing eyes removes visual stimulation, so less distraction. The more you learn about yourself the more control you'll be able to have. For me, the hardest is shutting down the constant self talk, thankfully there is meditation, which I'm getting used to as much as drinking water when I'm thirsty.
I had depersonalization along with my ADDand it was the worst. What I finally found out is that because you think about it so much it causes anxiety which leads to you thinking about it even more, thus continuing the cycle. Fixing the anxiety fixes it almost immediately or at least that’s what happened to me.
The UA-cam algorithm must have been listening to my conversations over the past 2 days, this memory/focus stuff is precisely what I've been working through
I relate to Mizfit (hope I spelt that correctly) so much and I completely understand how he has a hard time communicating what he is feeling/ experiencing in the moment. I always say I feel it, but have no words to communicate it. It can be quite frustrating and lonely . Listening to the two of you communicate has opened my eyes to what I need in a psychiatrist. I don't want to be medicated, I just need someone to identify the areas in my mind, that seem normal to me, in which I cannot identify as causing me hardship in excelling my future. Thank you both for this! I have learned so much more through these videos than the psychologist that I just recently got referred to. Through the discussions that the two you have, I feel that I am more educated to find the psychologist that I need . I definitely feel/know I have ADD or ADHD. Either way, I still need direction in organizing my life. Thanks again to you both!
Wow i thought i was the only person who was having anxiety only at night. The way mizkif described his anxiety at night is exactly what im dealing with for years. I don't know what to do about that though
I feel like I've had ADHD my whole life and never knew about it until I watched Mizkifs past two interviews. AT THE AGE OF 27.
My mom was diagnosed at 40. I wa diagnosed late at 14 as having the highest severity ADHD recognized by research (really in depth evaluation). My mom was diagnosed 4 years later, as she realized she may need to change jobs, and she only got away with her ADHD shit at work, because her bosses we're old and didn't know how to use technology so she utilized that.
I'm turning 50 next month, and I'm in the process of being screened for it, but if you know, you know. You're lucky you haven't wasted your entire life having it untreated. There's lots you can do at 27.
I found out last year at 27 too bro! 🤘
I have been diagnosed later in life and it's exactly the same for me. I can't enjoy being in the moment. I'm always thinking or stressing about something. I can't look at a view and take it in or sit on the beach and relax. I'm always thinking about whats next. I'm always on edge.
Im a freshman in college rn, and luckily im the kinda person who doesnt mind the online classes so my mental health be doin good, even got a nice job
This entire video is incredibly enlightening. Whenever I need direction in life I watch Dr. K. I found that mizkif is also incredibly aware of the state he's in, he just doesn't realize it. I feel his pains and am going through the same things when I am unmedicated.
I can relate so much about not being in the present moment. It can be absolutely soul crushing when it happens during sex. Dr.K is right though. Focus is just something you can achieve with practice and discipline. Good luck to everyone out there
No. Focus with ADHD is completely random, and you have no control over it on a NEUROLOGICAL level. It's not a matter of discipline, it is a lack of certain brain chemicals and the ability to use them efficiently.
Medication and therapy is the only thing that has evidence that works, with exercise being SUPPLEMENTRY. No amount of shaming, and forcing yourself to "just do it," is going to work for genuine sufferers of ADHD.
@@audreydoyle5268 Everyone is different.
Speaking of the sex issue.. any tips to overcome that?? Bc Fuck man it happens to me.
@@teamatfort444 Blue pill will help you out for one nights. Having an honest conversation with your partner has also helped.
@@audreydoyle5268 I have thought about this for a few weeks now and I just don't like the "only therapy and medication helps" when I have improved my quality of life dramatically through acceptance and introspection. The mind is a complicated beast as shown by the placebo effect. My condition is borderline personality disorder. I know it's about serotonin levels in the brain. Maybe there's more answers than the easy road they teach you in school.
I feel like I keep coming to a lot of these personal revelations and then there's a video the next day explaining it all to me and it shatters my ego again.
Mizkif and Dr. K's convos are actually sooo wholesome. I don't have ADHD but I really love and appreciate these convos cause it's eye opening but also super fun. Appreciate you all a lot Dr. K and team!!!
This makes me realize that by trying to learn to meditate, after years of "practice" (or rather "training" this meditation thing) I came into acceptance. I observed my intrusive thoughts and deconstructed them, and accepted them. And I feel that cured my worsed anxiety issues.
Now I also know that I'm autistic (figured it out few months), and I struggle with needing to do a lot of different things to be satisfied. This is also problematic thing, because if I focus on one thing too much it creates anxiety, because I need everything to be solved.
Honestly these Mizkif episodes are insanely nice to have out. I have minor ADHD and while I had figured out a couple of these things on my own, what Dr. K and Miz say on here are super nice for my brain.
Absolutely phenomenal how Mizkif breaks down your concept... Makes a great teacher!!! I'm actually blown away...
Only once in my school career did I have such a teacher (in chemistry), whatever he explained I understood deeply and didn't really have to study to keep it in my mind.
I learned more about ADHD from this than I did in med school
ADHD seems to be awfully understood, Dr.K is incredibly smart with his ADHD knowledge, and I want to learn more from him to understand myself better
Medical school is about medicine, as long as you understand the core issues of adhd, course, prognosis, diagnosis and treatment/cure, then they did their job.
He tends to let himself get carried away by overthinking. What helps me in such moments is to focus on the best decision for myself, reminding myself that I am the most important person in my life. Shifting attention back to myself, rather than external noise, can be grounding. Sitting with our pain is also valuable advice. People with ADHD often get swept up in distractions and lose touch with their sense of presence. We’re here, but not fully here.
This is the first time I've heard of another person describing their mind as layers all the way down to the subconscious. Teared up throughout the video because I always felt alone in this and never talked about those thoughts to anyone. Very similar ADHD and very similar way we look at our individual minds, nearly identical almost. Glad I watched this video
17:33 I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT DID THIS! I have ADHD too and music plays in my head all the time!
Holy s**t! I related to a lot of what Mizkif described and when DrK said you need to grieve but don't know how because your mind taught you how to forget..my jaw dropped and I actually got choked up. That really hit a raw nerve. I've never understood it or felt seen like that. So grateful for this! Thank you!
I like how you are able to understand and translate what he is trying to say in real time for us to watch it. Ex: how he was explaining how he has never lived in the moment in his life and you’re able to ask if he meant “being in the present moment”.
I've had ADHD all my life and depersonalization issues the past couple of years so hearing miz talk about this feels great. I play his streams in the background most nights so its pretty awesome to be able to relate. The way he describes not feeling like he's in the moment he's actually in and being on autopilot is put really well. I never expected to hear this stuff come from him.
this made me tear up...
i was gonna write more abt how this video make me feel but i cant formulate my thoughts but it seriously meant a lot i love u dr k and mizkif
I was just rewatching the old mizkif videos because they were so good, what are the chances lmao
Thanks!
You’re awesome. My friend struggles severely with adhd and the ‘presence’ aspect of it, this is something we never thought of. Thanks a million 💯💯💯
Love these talks with Mizkif. I've struggled with ADD my entire life and find his explanations and issues so relatable. I think the biggest takeaway for me was realizing that focus is a skill that I can practice and slowly improve.
As a person finding out how adhd causes other things as you age more and more, this is great. Looking forward to watching this all tomorrow🤘
57:52 When he makes that realization, when he understands what Dr.K is saying, I got so excited holy moley
Recently discovered this channel and let me tell you, holy shit I have never felt so validated and encouraged in my entire life. You're doing amazing and thank you. Also this, the layers and observations and what not? Dude, the feels. Exactly that, I know how it is to think like that and it's kinda hell. And not fighting it really has helped the most.
This video has been so opening for me. I realized watching this that ive been unconsciously doing some of these steps to help improve presence of mind and self. Some nights when i am having trouble sleeping instead of wondering why i cant sleep. I just say, its ok, i wont fall asleep right now. I will wait till i do. Then i fall asleep without realizing it till i wake up. There were nights where i was fighting my thoughts for so long i was laying in bed for 8 hours and then i finally give up on fighting tland thats when i get my sleep. I thought i had sleep issues, i just have an over active mind. These past 2 days ive been learning alot about adhd and why my mind works the way it does and it just been such an amazing feeling to finally be able to understand myself like this
This interview is so enlightening to hear, I absolutely love it! Thanks Mizkif and Dr K for doing this interview.
oh gosh i've 9 layers of mind i guess... and i'm never aware of less than 4 of them
- a therapy voice, only reminding me of where i might have been unaware of an own lie or any form of confabulation or error
- then any "we" and "you" thoughts, aimed at keeping track of meta-tasks, evaluating situations and post-processing other thoughts, including insights like this here
- then the actual task-relevant thoughts, like voice loops of that video i've seen, cross-sectional associations morphed into full mental imageries
- then the "i" thoughts and sensory related constant noise like immediate mood and cognition shifts because of where i looked at
- then all tetris effects, or auditive and visual learning processes of things i recently had a hyperfocus on
- then earworms and other pesky loops of irrelevant and annoying memory fragments
- then a worry layer with a constant regurgitating of sad and bad memories
- then another layer of visual imagary depicted as literal landscapes of my global feelings (meditation / hypnagogia / daydreaming)
- then a pre-verbal layer of all kinds of memories, where all traumatic memories and urges are treated in the same weird neutral way
edit: or shorter, my mind is hecking noisy, busy and a chaotic mix of frickin everything at once! only during meditation i can "see" more of my stability, sheesh.
This has been the most helpful hour of my life, I'm legit emotional.
As a person who suffers from ADHD, anxiety disorder + intrusive thoughts(ocd), going to gym and running 3 times a week outdoors really helped me. My intrusive thoughts nearly disappeared, and my anxiety and ADHD is getting better. It is also very beneficial for your body!
I think so many of these mental health issues are springing up because the types of work available to people are becoming less diverse. The type of worker we accept as “valuable” is becoming more and more confining. So many people have to settle for jobs that are just not a good fit for them.
Yes. Yes. and Yes.
... as opposed to 99% being farmers?
Oh my god Yes
@@GhostSamaritan gardening is SUCH hard work but it makes me so happy
it's the most present I feel while trimming berry bushes or weeding flower beds
even if the weather is bad and I'm physically miserable, it's just so worth it
born 2 farm forced 2 code😤
Yeah. My theory is that my sister is going through the same. She thinks she is satisfied with her job and also convinced herself of that but no matter what she achieves (most in her field would kill for it) all she feels is a slight improvement in mood and perpetually thinks something is missing. She doesn't feel her achievements even if it takes beyond 100% effort from her. I could be wrong obv. but whatever it is I kinda feel sad for her. Unfortunately, this is something she will have to figure out for herself.
2 years later and I find this video - absolutely fantastic by the way. Resonated so much - it's so exhausting not allowing yourself to go with the flow, to be constantly fighting with that feeling of 'but I should be..." whatever. This really helps me a lot
I'm not a doctor but from the research I've done is a fear flight response from your body anticipating something happening. It's protection mechanism. I really wish you would do an interview with somebody who's highly sensitive person and how much that truly affects somebody's life versus everybody else in the world.
the way he described playing with the cards and how being distracted with that specific thing somehow helps him focus on something else is exactly what happens when I'm listening to music
Good lord I connect with Miz so so much. I've never met someone that experienced this the same way. Maybe because of the insight being there during the session. Maybe people just don't share this deep information. Thank you for this Dr. K!
Dr. K's colander analogy is so true for my ADHD as well. I thought I was the only one. The worst part is that my body still remembers the bad stuff even though my mind doesn't.
I love when miskif is on. I learn so much and I can relate a lot on what he is experiencing
So much good stuff in this video I randomly stumbled upon. What an honest conversation. I relate in so many ways. Especially the ADHD discussion. Thank you for sharing and opening up. Brave.
I just watched both Mizkif videos yesterday and thought they were the best on the channel and bam! thank you
Dr K you have no idea how much you do for the community. Thank you so much
Dammit Dr K is sick. The way he finds words to reach a person is so amazing
I watched this when it came out as well as the previous livestream with Mizkif. Now a couple of months later, I feel like my mind is much clearer and I can actually do things that I truly want to do. My attention is the same, for things I like I have inhuman focus but for things I don't like I don't focus much at all. But what has truly changed is the fact that before I couldn't even do the things I wanted to do, like get productive work done that I see a purpose for or other types of self-discipline. Noticing and realizing that some things are not in my control has made a ton of difference in making me a lot more able with things that I want to focus my attention on. Thank you Dr. K, from the bottom for my heart.
The anxiety I’ve been dealing with recently makes me appreciate this so much
Holy shit I’m so glad I found this man. My ADHD is just as bad as Miz if not worse at times and I’ve been beating myself up because I watched the first video with these two and I really want to watch the second one because I’ve been working and struggling because I’m doing that 9 to 5 every day currently so I can survive out here. I really like the video title because even though I take meds daily for work at least, whatever these tactics are I’m sure they would help even more for someone who is also on meds currently and it’s taking me two days to come back.
28:10, and when he tells him how beautiful it was that he just discovered this way to focus, to meditate while playing with something in his hand…… I was literally doing the exact same thing and I’ve been playing with this thing for the last 20 minutes and I haven’t moved my eyes from the video.. and realizing what the doctor is saying I swear I started crying, in my head I was feeling the same and reflected on how many times I do this when I need to focus on something or when I catch myself hyper focused on something but playing with something else in my head. The realization, after doing it subconsciously for probably my whole life, yeah I started crying.
Thank you doctor.
This was so amazing! It made me understand my ADHD more. Thank you, Doc!
Watching that stream years later, after just understanding my own ADHD and I agree Mizkif here did amazing with explaining the inner work of his mind and getting to the conclusions too once guided by Dr.K.
Very insightful, all of it.
I was literally having problems about my adhd this morning and was ranting about it. Perfect timing again
HEY! I JUST FOUND THIS AND THIS IS ME.
Like I have those issues Mizkif has. Diagnosed adhd, take Adderall, etc. No heart problems tho, thankfully.
I wanna link this to my friends, maybe they'll understand why I say random things, am forgetful, etc.
Love your chats, thanks for doing what you do 🙂
Mischief just shows how weird ADHD perfectionism (and anxiety) is. Like, we remember all the times we fuc*up to try to not repeat but do anyway cause we are so stressed all the time. And how it feeds the "racing thoughts" a lot a feeds the cicle
A thought that came out to me while I was watching this video was that when the idea of the memories leaving a collander, it made me realize what it feels like for me. I feel like when I'm not "present" in a conversation, I don't partake in the conversation, but I'd almost "record" the moment in my head to remember and enjoy at a different time, but think about something else while "recording".