@Nephuhlim Hey, great guide! I hope you can help me (or anyone else): How much RNG is built into the Havoc Spec? And how much does it affect it's performance or better yet how much does it's performance vary because of the RNG? From what I could understand from the talent tree, the RNG is mostly there regarding the resource system. Or does it go further? And other than that, how enjoyable is Havoc DH at the moment? How smooth is it's rotation? And how viable are the non-mover builds (since the mover builds are theoretically performing the best)? Thank you in advance :)
Been playing Fel Barrage instead of essence break in M+ and it SLAPS. Just gotta save some fury builders and it will carry your dam on a pull. Did almost 10% of my dam in an uldaman
Hey short question for the new talent build rotation part 2 the "cosistent opener" you say fel rush/VR/essence break but what you play is bit different you play fel rush/essence break/DS/VR/Meta so is this just a fail or is it wayne how the rotation is between VR and Essence break :) nice vid thx for recommend
I'm assuming these builds are aimed at Raiding? Coz Inertia + Any Means Necessary + Fel Barrage + A Fire Inside is by far the better talents for M+, it's not even close.
Fel barrage is the biggest pad button in the game sure. You lose almost 10% on bosses running it. You lose insane priority damage running it. And the gain is so minimal in aoe its a meme button.
M+ is mostly about trash, not bosses so yeah i take that. My role as DH is not Single target. There are better classes for that purpose. And by that logic all AoE spells are pad dmg.@@Nephuhlim
@@bojnebojnebojne you must not understand my logic. choosing a talent that gives 2-3% in aoe and makes you lose 9% in st and priority damage is pad. Your role in a key is not just aoe especially with aug evoker being in the mix now.
Have u even played Fel Barrage in keys? It's top dmg source and not a 3% increase over not taking it. Sims are not to be trusted right now, they are not accurate. What the ptr numbers said are irrelevant at this point. My choice is based on Live play testing and not on sims or ptr numbers. For raid, sure those builds you recommend are better 100%. But not taking Fel Barrage for M+ right now is trolling imo.@@Nephuhlim
@@bojnebojnebojne my 27 this week: www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLqA6KDVNhR1Fmaz#fight=2&type=damage-done This dudes 26 this week with fel barrage: www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bJHzwkdD3GvXLFgn#fight=1&type=damage-done&translate=true
Yo do you always save eye beam and essb to use at the same time. Sometimes I mess up the rotation with eyebeam and essb in m+ and I have to hold on to my eye beam or essb waiting for either one to be off cd since they no longer line up. Example I use eye beam but not essb so now eye beam is on cd and essence breaker is just sitting there because im waiting for eye beam to be off cd and vice versa. It just feels wierd to hold on to them since I feel like im losing casts.
I think its a max of 10 seconds, but you need to fel rush for each stack and you only have 2 fel rush charges without a time spiral but yeah the duration stacks the damage increase does not. basically the same as momentum
Nice guide - one note in your attached doc you forgot essence break in the opener for the no mover (assume you meant to just remove vengeful retreat, but removed the whole line I think)
I quit in WoD and came back now. Is Demon Hunter a good choice for a main? Never played one but it looks fun. All my characters are on a dead realm so I was thinking of using the new boost from War Within on a character I would main on a populated server. Demon Hunter is my top pick.
no throw glaive at start for extra dmg? also at 11:33 u are using essence break before vengeful, which is not what u say in the graphic. is still worth the EB+ VR combo?
I was testing it out yesterday, and IMO I feel like dropping soulscar for glaive tempest is 100% better in m+ before tier set, is that correct or am I missing something?
That is correct, you can in fact drop All Glaive talents and run something like this build below Build: BEkAzqt9tQbK6xteCyjwasgfTKJJJJJIJJCBSCAAAAAAIlIRSIBSapFJJQao0SSSSA This build and depending on the pulls, get's me over 205k dmg overall in almost any key right now and in Freehold the first standard big pull I peaked at 1.4M aoe dps with this build at 445 ilvl with no raid gear at all.
@@Nakerox-st7fk and to add onto my comment, if you go hunt into eye beam you will still get the 1 extra tick. You can try it out yourself in game. Not hasted should be 4 ticks. hasted will be 5 :D
Sporecloak was completely gutted "BIS" list and guide will be updated to reflect on the changes :)
Sigh and me just having bought the matts for a spoarcloak lol ........... love your guides btw thank you :)
thank you man nice guide and very useful , great job
Glad you liked it!
No move build is so good, love it. I just jump out of the way to get out of the swirls and fire :)
As always another great video from Neph, #1 fan
thanks man!
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@@Nephuhlim ye right hehe
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I am not sure if I would still be playing the spec if it wasn't for your guides at the beginning of every patch, thank you.
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Thanks for the guide!
No problem!
suuuuper nice vid man!
thank you!
Thnk u Neph🎉
In the opener, why don't you felrush before the hunt and eyebeam for extra inertia damage?
@Nephuhlim Hey, great guide!
I hope you can help me (or anyone else):
How much RNG is built into the Havoc Spec? And how much does it affect it's performance or better yet how much does it's performance vary because of the RNG?
From what I could understand from the talent tree, the RNG is mostly there regarding the resource system. Or does it go further?
And other than that, how enjoyable is Havoc DH at the moment? How smooth is it's rotation? And how viable are the non-mover builds (since the mover builds are theoretically performing the best)?
Thank you in advance :)
Been playing Fel Barrage instead of essence break in M+ and it SLAPS. Just gotta save some fury builders and it will carry your dam on a pull. Did almost 10% of my dam in an uldaman
Yeah it does good damage in aoe but you lose a ton of single target/prio damage. It’s pure pad
@@Nephuhlim fair, it does feel very awkward in single target too
@@Greyshred with the current apl which isnt very good for fel barrage right now, its a 7% loss in st
Thanks for the video but you can keep the words on the screen longer when you are talking about the subject. Example, when you spoke about stat prio
Thx for the guide but what's about the Demon Hunter talent tree? Only saw the Havoc.
I'm not sure what's going on but when i fel rush then go to vr there's always this weird delay. But when i vr then eb then fel rus there's no delay.
Fel Rush has a .5 Second gcd. Vengeful isnt off gcd but it has a 0 second gcd idk why dont ask lol.
@@Nephuhlim right ok thanks mate!
Hey short question for the new talent build rotation part 2 the "cosistent opener" you say fel rush/VR/essence break but what you play is bit different you play fel rush/essence break/DS/VR/Meta so is this just a fail or is it wayne how the rotation is between VR and Essence break :) nice vid thx for recommend
I'm assuming these builds are aimed at Raiding?
Coz Inertia + Any Means Necessary + Fel Barrage + A Fire Inside is by far the better talents for M+, it's not even close.
Fel barrage is the biggest pad button in the game sure. You lose almost 10% on bosses running it. You lose insane priority damage running it. And the gain is so minimal in aoe its a meme button.
M+ is mostly about trash, not bosses so yeah i take that. My role as DH is not Single target. There are better classes for that purpose.
And by that logic all AoE spells are pad dmg.@@Nephuhlim
@@bojnebojnebojne you must not understand my logic. choosing a talent that gives 2-3% in aoe and makes you lose 9% in st and priority damage is pad. Your role in a key is not just aoe especially with aug evoker being in the mix now.
Have u even played Fel Barrage in keys? It's top dmg source and not a 3% increase over not taking it. Sims are not to be trusted right now, they are not accurate. What the ptr numbers said are irrelevant at this point. My choice is based on Live play testing and not on sims or ptr numbers. For raid, sure those builds you recommend are better 100%.
But not taking Fel Barrage for M+ right now is trolling imo.@@Nephuhlim
@@bojnebojnebojne my 27 this week: www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xLqA6KDVNhR1Fmaz#fight=2&type=damage-done
This dudes 26 this week with fel barrage: www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bJHzwkdD3GvXLFgn#fight=1&type=damage-done&translate=true
On which item do I put my embellishment?
I recommend wrist or boots. For long term wrist. I currently have boots because I dont have good boots to replace my toxic boots.
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thxx for the video!
Yo do you always save eye beam and essb to use at the same time. Sometimes I mess up the rotation with eyebeam and essb in m+ and I have to hold on to my eye beam or essb waiting for either one to be off cd since they no longer line up. Example I use eye beam but not essb so now eye beam is on cd and essence breaker is just sitting there because im waiting for eye beam to be off cd and vice versa. It just feels wierd to hold on to them since I feel like im losing casts.
Just get 5400 mstery 5400 crit and stack vers after literaly unkillable in m+
How does intertia stack with extra imo aura procs?
I think its a max of 10 seconds, but you need to fel rush for each stack and you only have 2 fel rush charges without a time spiral but yeah the duration stacks the damage increase does not. basically the same as momentum
Nice guide - one note in your attached doc you forgot essence break in the opener for the no mover (assume you meant to just remove vengeful retreat, but removed the whole line I think)
Yeah the no mover build doesnt use essence break now
nice guide
How much haste would we need aa soft ca?
Do you pop your trinket before essence break on opener, or during meta?
in which case should we be using throw glaive due to furious throw?
I quit in WoD and came back now. Is Demon Hunter a good choice for a main? Never played one but it looks fun. All my characters are on a dead realm so I was thinking of using the new boost from War Within on a character I would main on a populated server. Demon Hunter is my top pick.
Yeah, demon hunter is gonna be a lot of fun and is good numbers wise
@@Nephuhlim Do you think its save from class balances in the future? We all know how blizzard balance their classes
no throw glaive at start for extra dmg? also at 11:33 u are using essence break before vengeful, which is not what u say in the graphic. is still worth the EB+ VR combo?
I was testing it out yesterday, and IMO I feel like dropping soulscar for glaive tempest is 100% better in m+ before tier set, is that correct or am I missing something?
That is correct, you can in fact drop All Glaive talents and run something like this build below
Build: BEkAzqt9tQbK6xteCyjwasgfTKJJJJJIJJCBSCAAAAAAIlIRSIBSapFJJQao0SSSSA
This build and depending on the pulls, get's me over 205k dmg overall in almost any key right now and in Freehold the first standard big pull I peaked at 1.4M aoe dps with this build at 445 ilvl with no raid gear at all.
What about throw glaive?
Here cuz how bad they fucked sub rogue in 10.2, time to roll dh
LOL gg
lol that tier set look like some reptile
LOL true
Too bad Dash of Chaos didn't make it 😢
yeah its a cool idea
Would be cool if you speak another 1200% faster...
I will always be impressed how UA-camrs doing Mythic-level content can recommend to use The Hunt before Eyebeam 😑
@@Ugoofy1 a theory about what ? That I properly do The Hunt after Eyebeam to benefit from +30% haste for the dot ?
@@Nakerox-st7fk that extra haste gives you 1 extra tick. basing your opener off 1 tick of the hunt is not optimal
@@Nakerox-st7fk and to add onto my comment, if you go hunt into eye beam you will still get the 1 extra tick. You can try it out yourself in game. Not hasted should be 4 ticks. hasted will be 5 :D