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CIVIL WAR - A Hollow Odyssey Into Conflict Without Meaning
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Alex Garland's latest dystopian thriller, "Civil War," marks a departure from his previous successes in film-making. Initially celebrated for his innovative storytelling as a novelist turned director, Garland presents a fragmented United States engulfed in a civil war, featuring a team of war journalists journeying from New York City to Washington, D.C. to interview an authoritarian president amidst escalating conflicts between federal and secessionist forces. The film, while drawing on existential themes reminiscent of his earlier works like "28 Days Later," "Sunshine," "Ex-Machina," and "Annihilation," struggles with narrative coherence and depth. The unlikely alliance between Texas and California, along with a depiction of the country as a disjointed patchwork including Florida and regions with Chinese influences, strains credibility and leaves much of the political landscape and the war's causation unexplored. This surface-level engagement extends to the characters-led by Kirsten Dunst's emotionally detached journalist, Lee, and her colleagues, who traverse the war-torn country capturing its impacts without moral introspection. Despite Garland's intent to portray journalists' neutrality, the film becomes heavily politicized, particularly in its portrayal of the president and the use of American symbols, yet fails to delve into the political dynamics it sets up, resulting in a narrative that feels both politically naive and shallow.
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Quoting a friend, “this would’ve been better as a mini-series”
Definitely would've been better as a series. They could've expanded so much more on its ideas, the characters could've been memorable. Yet, I didn't find sympathy with them because they're all dimensional and the character growth really just affects one of them.
they don't get picked up to keep going like Jericho
Yeah
That and the movie Babylon
@@kevinvelado9907As in a series of movies? Mainstream TV networks aren't worth the time or the effort.
Contrary to everyone else, I loved this movie.
so we could learn less about the the civil war and a ton more dialogue from and about the 'journalists', no thanks
There was an HBO black comedy film called Second Civil War( 1997). It actually goes well into detail about a chaotic world that has forced tens of millions of refugess to the US. Russia invading the balkans, nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan, complete ecological collapse in China. stressing both the economic and political systems to their breaking point. The governor of Iowa announces an intention to secede after a flight full of pakistani children are to land in Des Moines. A stand off ensues, states begin choosing sides. The Alamo is burnt to the ground, the Statue of Liberty is blown up. pretty good cast too. would have been really good if it were serious instead of a black comedy. You can watch the movie on youtube.
I'm going to look that one up!
Idaho, not Iowa. And yeah, great movie. Beau Bridges really steals the thing.
It also pokes fun at "diversity" and the implications it will have the country. Go figure. Prophetic in some ways.
May need to look it up
I think it works better as a black comedy because it's supposed to point out how clownish the trajectory of America is - both then and currently.
It seems like a24 has a decent rising and climax, but they always drop the ball with the endings of their films. My literal reaction to the ending of civil war was "thats it? What was the point?".
that's the point
They made some bank bank 🏦 off that movie as well
Tbh I don't like people that think that EVERY A24 movie is some awesome, flawless godsend.
This is what you get when media literacy is at an all time low. The ending is showing that both women changed places mentally. The entire movie their showing how journalists aren't supposed to get involved, Kirstens character even says she'll take a picture of the moment the younger girl dies. Kirsten character has a breakdown, losing her edge, and getting involved in saving the girl in the hall and it gets her killed, thus the younger one takes the photo of the moment she was killed. It isn't that hard to wrap your mind around.
@@kungalexander829 You could say something like an expansionist war is pointless, but not a civil war with the sole goal of getting rid of a dictator in a democratic country. I think the movie was mostly just about journalists being disconnected from the story theyre documenting or maybe acting as a warning from people like trump getting in power, but not as a war bad movie.
A British guy who has barely stepped foot in the U.S does a film about American politics apolitically about a civil war, a peak a political polarization
Of course it was bad.
This video is dumb because modern civil wars are a bit ambiguous/hard to understand, so this move is accurate in a way. Anyone not form the middle east would have a hard time understanding the Syrian civil war and the various ideologies and differences in the many MANY factions who fought in it. but that didn't stop many western journalists on the ground to try and see what was going on.
@@OverlandjonModern Civil Wars are hard for YOU to understand. Do you know the basis for the Ethiopian, Syrian or Sudan Civil War? Civil Wars are easy to figure out using a basic understanding of history of the nations having a civil war or covering it.
@@andrewrogers3067 i never said I don’t understand. I said I wouldnt expect others to understand. Which is the point of ops comment.
I wish the film gave us more background about why they are attacking but yea u 💯% right!
As an American, born and raised, it was bad.
The civil war is simply not possible.
Great idea to make the protagonists journalists covering the "mostly peaceful" civil war.
The US is a huge country. Not every inch would be a warzone, and the point was for them to avoid the conflict as much as possible, instead focusing on the tension and consequences of violence by division.
The number one reason why this movie isn't a believable possibility is because, in the film, Texas and California are allies.
They have been allies before in history. But that was a long ass time ago
@@lazarussolomon3541
Long ass time ago in a town called kickapoo
They are both great and populous states so it's possible that the president wanted to limit their powers by giving more power to the central government or to the smaller states. Or Texas could've become a Democratic state. I mean LBJ was from there and he pushed the Great Society program.
Their common enemy, the US goverment lol
If that ever happened. I'd be questioning on who's the good guy is. If two groups that used to be enemies, become allies. Something is wrong.
The timing of this is scary
coincidence? or is FCE a CIA asset?
Everythings fine
same old way they always put two sides of the same coin against each-other if it’s profitable to the 1 percent. anything to forget the class war.. including cinema
Had to be intentional, brilliant.
This video?
It was the kind of movie if you saw the preview/trailer, you seen the best of it and don't really need to watch the rest.
Actually had a conversation with my Fiance after watching this about how empty it seemed, how it left us feeling nothing...no feeling for any of the characters, no understanding of any message, no real impression at all other than how much of a nothing-burger this film was after all the hype. Had really been looking forward to it and it was just one of those in-and-out movies, quickly forgotten. Wish they'd have spent a little more time in the writer's room.
THANK YOU, walked out of the theatre i was like...ok? what was the point of anything in that film. only thing i really remember was how frustrated i was with jessie and how annoying she was
the "why" doesnt matter when it all goes to shit
Modern cinema is mostly garbage. No one should be surprised when a movie is empty and devoid of emotional impact these days
Yikes bros lacking a brain 🧠
It was wrote this way intentionally.
The film got one thing right about what a modern civil war would be like, absolute chaos, specially when people think it’s gonna be black and white factions
Except it really doesn't do that. Everyone acts exactly as the plot requires them to act instead of the reality. An American isn't going to start killing foreigners because that means that country might take an active role in supplying your nation. The "What Kind of American Are You" scene is probably the worst scene in U.S dystopic fiction that I have ever seen.
@@loserinasuit7880have you seen how some Americans talk about foreigners? That scene is one of the more realistic parts of the movie, that guy probably wasn't even an actual soldier, just a member one of the dozens of wacky militias we have irl who are just waiting for their chance to let loose and would undoubtedly do so the moment there's no other force holding them back.
@@loserinasuit7880be quiet and sit down buddy. The movie is not about war, it’s about human nature. The plot is the people. The war is a narrative device to show the people. Jesse Plemons’ character commits the violence because (using context clues) we can determine he is on the losing side. He is committing war crimes, because he has lost and hes trying to harm the other side as much as possible before the inevitable happens. It seems like you’re feelings got hurt watching this movie, which I find laughable because this story deliberately does not pick a side.
@tylenol24hr "Harm the other side" why is the federal bastion wearing hot pink glasses and not in actual U.S uniform. Why is he shooting foreign nationals if he's on the losing side? What does that gain anything, the scene is genuinely terrible because it's shocking for the sake if it. But the scene says absolutely nothing about human nature other than "hurr durr, war is cruel." The war isn't even started over "America is for Americans" it's because some psycho president somehow achieves impossible odds as an authoritarian.
War IS human nature and to divorce the two says nothing. What the press are doing is completely illogical. The U.S is not Africa or the M.E. It doesn't exactly shock me that a British man born to an ethnically Lebanese family doesn't understand anything about whites or America.
@@loserinasuit7880 For one, do you think the losing side cares about foreign nationals? In due time they will have no government to deal with them in the first place? And second, does the uniform really matter to you that much? Besides the frontlines, every soldier depicted was out of uniform. The soldier is meant to show cruelty from loss, like Russia’s dead hand irl. He’s trying to make the biggest impact before he is inevitably stopped. Thats why he and the other’s were butchering the innocents. It does not mean anything that he killed the foreign nationals, because he intended to kill them all anyways. That “what type of american are you” display was a show. Regardless of whatever they said, he was not going to let them leave alive. War is not human nature, war is a result of it. This is obvious, no?
The problem with a movie about a Second Civil War is that you can't sacrifice Worldbuildin' in the name of "Political Neutrality". Such a notion is pretentious. The Second Civil War in the film has to feel like a real war, not a shallow vague backdrop for a road trip with unlikeable characters and action scenes that exist for the sake of havin' action scenes. Alliances have to be realistic and both sides have to have clear causes.
In the background and somethings the characters say feels like the director has an idea of why things are this way and that this may be decades in the future. It’s like you were a few lines off of giving context and then just decide to blue ball the audience. Any fighting scenes we see feel like the embers of a war. No real fighting just mopping up the remaining enemies. So it doesn’t really feel like they’re actually in the thick of it
If a civil war broke out in the USA it wouldn’t be 2 sided. There would be dozens of factions fighting for power as well as lots of ppl taking advantage of the chaos to further their own agendas. I think the film captured the horror of a civil war in this country perfectly.
If it wasnt neutral whichever side of the polictical spectrum was the "good guys" would be praising the movie while the other side would be bitching and moaning. Everyone's a critic I suppose.
I’ve seen some films that sorta had the same premise but did it so much better. Like “under fire” covering a civil war in Nicaragua and that journalists could play a role in how they present conflict and how it plays out and support. There aren’t just “neutral” they were just a little biased for the rebels and they point that out how it drove it. It wasn’t just “oh journalists don’t care about sides”
Another thing is that vagueness of a conflict is not as common as you’d think. Not being specific about the ideologies or sides and why, paints conflicts as grey when even when you don’t know much, doesn’t mean they don’t exist or what one side is doing is objectively bad etc etc
The title of this video is better writing than the entirety of the film.
The end of the movie conflict is downright one of the modern war depictions in any form of media. The sounds, the visuals, tactics, everything was so insanely real. This movie felt like 2 different movies because of that battle scene.
Even after DC wars you have at least 10-15 years more of “Insurgency” wars cause militias or groups will now be fighting over the shape or image the country should be in, what’s scary to me about the movie to me is the wars going on outside of DC but DC being the Mecca of it all but the surrounding states have shootouts or battles with other groups around the map shows it won’t stop after the fall of dc crazy
@@greenghost5009civil wars usually last 4-10 years. The insurgencies afterwards can last for decades
@@michaelweston409 exactly
The editing of this video is incredible.
I feel like the president taking down rhe post office is a reference to ron Swanson hating local government and its subsidiaries 🤣
Niant was clever with his editing. That sound bite was Ron Swanson talking about his ideas for the budget cut task force with the filter
Hybrid of Ron Swanson and TFG
I was actually excited when the runtime was first listed at 190 minutes, because I thought that meant the origins of the conflict would be shown in detail. But then the actual 109 minute runtime was revealed, and I knew everything would be glossed over. Fantastic final battle in Washington D.C. though
Missed by an inch into turning this a reality!
lame
I'm on your side but I'm not on your side.
Um yeah no.
Oh please nobody would even cry
We already live in that reality friend; a reality where shitty movies influence and provoke the simple minded.
THE MAIN REASON I SAW THIS MOVIE
i played the campaign of 2009s Modern Warfare 2, and seeing Washington DC as a warzone brought a dose of nostalgia
This final part of this movie was the "Of Their Own Accord" mission and the trailer for this movie reminded me of the "Infamy" trailer for that game
"On your feet, we're Oscar Mike."
Jessie: "We'll give you 50 million, American, if you let us interview the president."
Soldier: "No."
Lee: "50 million, Canadian."
Soldier: *"OK."*
"That was a great photo, Jessie" as the car sent flying should have been the movie 😂😂😂
One of the big problems with this film is that all the trailers and marketing material made it look like a pure action war movie. Then when you actually watch it, it turns out to be a slow, boring, souless attempt at pro-journalism propaganda. The studio knew the movie would never sell tickets if the trailer portrayed it correctly and they intentionally misled people into thinking it was a movie that it wasn't.
This was one of the best movies I’ve ever seen. This film was a message regarding the brutality of war. The stark nothingness is representative of the war photographers blank perspective of war and serves to allow the viewer to understand how horrible this would be without including an outside bias.
The fact that it gives no background info on how the civil war even started, gives it a lack of realism. There is no way that the U.S military would be defeated by the "Western Forces" from Texas and California, without any context of what has transpired prior to the invasion of D.C. What happened to all the military personnel in foreign countries? How was the Western Forces able to organize so well and have the proper logistics to arm and uniform their soldiers and maintain equipment and armored vehicles. Why isn't the navy helping defend D.C or launch a counter invasion in Virginia and Maryland against the Western Forces. What happened to the nuclear arsenal of the U.S? How has this effected Mexico and Canada?
The point isn't the political philosophy or world building, the moral is the cost of division and the horrible consequences of fighting ourselves. The movie says the president chose to bomb US citizens, and by that point in the real world half the military would go AWOL. The best places to defend against violent tyrannical government are in strong holds like Texas and somewhere distant like California on the other side of the Rocky's, and together with a mission to repel a divided military, they could more than take Washington. Their was also the Florida Alliance, and the states that remained loyal. The president doesn't use nukes because that's off the table. You shoot one of those off and there is no more pretending to be on the right side, at that point his personal guard would feel justified in shooting him. The realism here isn't in the exact representation of war or military order, it is in the tension violent division creates, and in the loss of the society we all help build.
@@Mr-Pulsethere’s still no way Texas & California could beat the other 47 states even if Florida seceded neutral on its own side. The other 47 states still outnumber Texas/California by a huge margin.
What a timing
What's a timing?
This video?
@@jennyanydots2389 is English your first language? Timing refers to the time the subject occurs, in this case when the movie was released
@@lib-center96 I released many times before this movie was even conceived, does that mean i have a timing?
What is timing?
Jericho now that was a Good Serious
That was a good show. Ahead of its time. Wished they have finished it than had to read a comic of the last season.
They should do a TV series about a modern day Civil War. Would prefer that.
I’m so glad you included the “Ron” clip at the end. I think the whole movie was just Ron dreaming.
Editor was absolutely cracked when they did this.
14:00 i will argue for this scene because i think its one of the better ones coming off the ambiguity of the Sniper scene.
The point is that the allegiance doesent matter. The faction if the troop doesent matter because this will happen on both sides. There isent a defined "good" side or "bad" side because the point was the absolute cruelty a civil war includes, regardless of which flag you end up under.
Well said, that's along my line of thinking as well. I noticed a lot of the soldiers fighting had flags or identifiers on as opposed to the fighters committing war crimes and the like having no identifiers of allegiance. At least from what I had seen.
Let’s ask the survivors of the first one what they think 🤔……………
Ron Swanson went insane
I saw this movie on IMAX and this movie did not disappoint me. I will never forget it about this movie to this day. It’s one of my favorite movies.
I put my own backstory into it, like maybe we really won the war in Vietnam or didn't have 1970s oil crisis. As a Californian i just hope Gavin Newsome isnt part of the lore...but did have a multi term Arnold Schwarzenegger
Our society is becoming the one in The Demolition Man.
@@anubusxwhat seems to be your boggle???
This is the best, most thoughtful breakdown of this shitshow of a film
Heavily agree
Glad to see I wasn't the only one who thought the movie was shallow. It has on the surface interesting themes and idea's but goes no further then that.
I disagree with the claim that Alex Garland made no real attempt at world-building in Civil War. It’s not due to a lack of understanding of American politics or lack of interest of getting into it as you said in 4:49. Garland involved many Americans in the production (thanks to A24 and more so, the actors themselves). I believe it's intentional. Just as we struggle to understand far-off nations when we hear about it on the news, reflecting how we perceive chaos in distant nations' civil conflicts. We often don’t grasp the intricate geopolitics, the people, and the institutions, we only hear and see the chaos. It’s a deliberate artistic choice to my mind and Garland brilliantly portrayed this confusion on purpose.
No, he didn’t.
We do get worldbuilding within Civil War but it’s atrocious. The north western states known as the new people’s army are listed as the “Portland Maoists”, a communist state made up of some of the IRL most conservative states in the nation. This isn’t counting the Florida alliance and the Texas California alliance known as the western forces.
The worldbuilding is there, it is limited, but it is not in any way ambiguous nor is it an artistic choice, otherwise we’d get as few details as possible, but A24 and the film literally posted a map of what the world looked like in Civil War, both online and in the movie.
It is not an artistic choice to make the worldbuilding as incompatible with American politics and realism. Stop justifying this nonsense.
Sometimes we don’t want to acknowledge the situation
Its often due to lack of knowledge
As for the film Garland seemed to want to focus not on the scenario but the character’s reaction or lack thereof
I like the idea
It definitely could have been better though I’m quite sure how, at least not at the moment
I think he wanted to leave his own views vague because at the time of the release the political climate couldn’t have more black and white(or pretty close)
That’s the encompassing theme: apathy essentially and a longing for neutrality on such a pressing matter despite the fact that being neutral is impossible
It could have been better, sure
Agree
@@andrewrogers3067 I see your point, but I think you are reinforcing mine. This portrayal isn’t meant to reflect real American politics but to evoke a sense of disorientation and chaos. By using familiar names in unfamiliar ways, Garland creates a world that is relatable yet distant, emphasizing the confusion and complexity of civil conflict. The limited and contradictory details perhaps is how media often presents a fragmented and oversimplified view of war-torn regions.
In any case, this is fiction. The comments on inaccuracy are beyond me.
The Civil War reminded me a lot of The Road (from 2009 with Viggo Mortensen). Both movies don't really explain the cause of the disasters and honestly it's not that important because it's not the point since they both are not about that but about a journey of a small group of people throughout the ravaged country with all its dangers and how it affects the travelers and their relationships with each other.
The back stories are
"Some shit went down and we never got back up"
Lots of movies and shows are that way, Mad Max comes to mind. And unless something changed with Walking Dead, "not up to date on all the spin offs" they never explain the origin of the the virus. For that matter Walking Dead isn't even about the zombies, it's about the people.
@@spencers4121 the origins of the apocalypse in both mad max and the walking dead are explained. In mad max it was a global nuclear war brought on by resource shortages. In the walking dead the zombies were created by a French bioweapons development division.
Please, this movie is in no way comparable to a good movie with depth beyond a shallow puddle, propaganda so blatant it is demeaning.
@@koontz1154LOL how can it be "propaganda" when they barely even mention politics
I hope you get more exposure for these videos. You're breakdowns are seconds to none. And the editing is coming into its own. Very well done breakdown, always love to see an upload notification for your channel!
your edits are getting so much better lol keep up the great work!
The producers said quite clearly, they “wanted to avoid direct comparisons to today’s policies, while letting viewers add their own conjecture.”
Then they failed because there are direct comparisons to todays poltics
I like your review of this movie. It's a lot better than what I would have said. I saw in theaters, and thought it was the bait and switch from the trailer they released. The movie the pigs itself as a potential action war movie but instead we get a road trip with scenes of violence. Far Cry from what we seen in the trailer.
Road trip through scenes of violence is pretty accurate lol.
Went into this expecting war/ large battle scenes. Maybe I was expecting too much.
@@ranger409RL same period from the music and the scenes in the trailer, I was expecting a war drama movie, with a lot of shootouts. Instead we got a road trip that isn't as dramatic as the trailer, and less entertaining and more talking
Atleast no one had nuclear weapons in this conflict
This movie fell into the same traps that every new movie seems to fall into these days. Either all good writers are dead or these are written by AI or something. Movies are an inch deep and too much dependent on cameos or 1 2 shocking scenes in the movie. This movie should have been called adventures during the civil war lol
The movie should have been about everyone OTHER than the journalist. Also to me the film disappointed me by having a poster of las vegas(most likely AI generated like some of the other film posters for this film) but never having any scenes in Las Vegas.
3:00 is what broke the movie for me. The “how” truly mattered here and they missed it, making it feel empty. My disbelief was challenged almost immediately and it about tore me from the movie right away.
The edit at 8:30. 😂 pure gold
Brilliant timing!
I liked this movie. If you don't look at it as a movie about a civil war in the US but instead as a movie about the toll the job of a war correspondent takes on a person and what it takes to do what they do. Also, it's a testament to the extent photographers and correspondents will go to "get the story".
Happy to see your video on this movie 0:19 hilarious opening by the way. In fact your whole video is both hilarious and spot on.
A+ memes on this one dude. I haven't actually seen the movie but from what you've described it seems that the director was trying to show journalists as truly neutral unbiased source who simple offer readers a peek into the conflict. But photographers and journalists by default are artists, and it is impossible to truly disassociate the art from the artist, and the photo is taken through the photographer's eye.
There is a fairly well known photojournalist, Kevin Carter, who photographed many iconic photos, but most famous was his "The Vulture and the Little Girl" which won him a Pulitzer. He later ended his own life after sinking into depression from the things he saw while covering war, famine, and atrocities. The idea of photographing a little girl, almost dead from starvation, without intervening really encapsulates the moral struggle of a war journalist, and I feel this movie is devoid of this complexity. Which is a shame.
Like you said, we needed more complexity into the chatacters to truly make this poignant and intriguing.
Which almost became a documentary yesterday
This country is so terrifying right now
Facts
@@kingsimba9513 how so, Tim Pool?
@@egrey2005 because one party was given all the power political and cultural power in 2008.
And like a spoiled child, they refuse to let it go whenever someone new comes along.
@AncestorEmpire1 huh, sounds like both parties, to me.
Well, this is timely
I said it at the point where they decided to make a 900 mile trip out of a 225 mile distance (because they were avoiding Philedelphia?) that this was obviously made during the writer strikes
Standing in front of a riot and taking pictures a literal 3 feet away is crazy 💀
The opening has an explosion with people getting wounded and killed but one of the protagonists just takes photos and doesn’t help anyone. Like bro wtf
Your timing is perfection lol we are prob 1 more bad day away from actual civil war :(
And it’s usually from people who don’t study history and think it’ll be like a movie
@@jasonb9562 life is a movie- Just a movie unseen
I’m sure the impeccable timing of this release is purely coincidental. But yeah.
Glad to see I’m not the only one that found this movie to be extremely disjointed and confused.
I enjoyed it, for all the the "drawbacks" you mentioned.
Easily the most apolitical movie I have ever seen
Apperantly, there aren't any food shortages either.
This movie is a good depiction of what a modern day civil war in america would be like. Your video summary of it is actually a pretty accurate description of america today as well. Just imagine you are watching a video summarizing modern america.
I mean Drones, where are the drones…. This one fact annoyed me greatly about the movie, even the documenters weren’t using drones for footage shots….
That first Shrek part was so good. I laughed for to long
I like how it was basically an evil ron swanson as the dictator
Civil War is a great example if WWIII happened for real but this movie completely missed the point, but it isn't as worst as the Acolyte.
Goddamn it, Hollywood. Get your S@#$ together!!!
Can't believe you brought up the Acolyte in a video about Civil War😂 you guys are obsessed!
@@Phoney72 correction: we're star wars fans that are true to the lore.
@@jessemillan1385 if you say so bud. If you don't like the show then fair enough but the amount of hate that show has gotten is downright absurd
You mean it’s boring.
Somehow they managed to make a film around a modern American civil war, but it’s not about the war, It’s about random journalists. People that no one trusts nowadays, and then ignore the interesting stuff to follow them around. The trailers for it lied.
When I watched this I kept thinking who am I supposed to be rooting for? I get that one man's patriot is another man's terrorist idea but without any context I was left with no way to base my conclusion on who to root for. Its like they wanted to make a movie based on current political climate in the US but were afraid to do it, which left the plot non existent. Such a shame. 🙁
*An EXCELLENT ANALYSIS and REVIEW* of Civil War. A truly moronic waste of effort that is as hollow as it is pretentious amounting to inevitably nothing.
7:36 😅😂 Not you slipping in Ron Swanson dialogues!! 😂 I had to double back since I Love P&R so much.
Great timing! Will be useful for when the real deal fires off later in the year!
If you really think an uprising would ever happen you’re simply too dull and misinformed to be taken seriously
We never get an explanation of the Civil War in the movie, and part of that reason is one it's not about that. And 2nd it's no where near that level of splitting off the government and military to reach the level you see in the movie. You would need far more erosion of the government at the administrative level, now that's something we possible might see with Trump and Project 2025.
Fitting
Just finished watching the movie and this suddenly pops up in my notif lol the timing
Nice timing.🙄
Why?
As much as I wanted to love this movie, I could not for the life of me make any sense out of it. Like, who was the good guys, the bad guys, the whole point of the press in these war zones if the whole country is at war, etc. outside of Jesse Plemons phenomenal small role, the movie just felt soulless.
19:24
And there is the fundamental problem with the journalist class. They went from spreading information to believing themselves the arbiters of good.
I’m so sorry to hear you didn’t like it. I loved this movie. I thought it did a phenomenal job building tension, I thought the character arks were incredible and I thought the cinematography was some of the best ever.
Oh yeah, this movie was a thing wasn’t it?
The timing of this is dark.
My guess is he didn't delve into the backstory of the wart because if you make it "Republicans bad" it just becomes another in the phonebook listing of such films, so half the audience doesn't watch it and about half the rest skips it because it doesn't stand out, and if you make it "Democrats bad" Hollywood will never let you make the film.
Then don’t make it
I love how they had an alliance between Texas and California.
What next? An alliance between Florida and New York? 😂
What is wrong with that?
Both states have massive economies, giant populations, as well powerful state militias. These 2 states having an alliance isnt that far fetched
@@supermanfan3113 the parties in power of each state absolutely hate each other. One side now sees the other as having tried to kill its leader. I doubt it
@supermanfan3113 But they are very different from one another politically, culturally, and ideologically. That's why I find it kind of hard to buy.
You were asleep in world history class, it’s ok 😂
The movie had so much potential. First off, way too small scale for a Civil War. I was thinking World War Z level chaos, especially in the final scene where basically a 5 person squad takes over the White House.
And Garland shied away from the most interesting parts of his premise. How would a Civil War go down and why?! Rather he thought audiences were dumb for wanting that and tried to spoon feed us our vegetables about something something war is bad.
The instant this film said that Texas and California joined together, I walked out. My imagination is very good, and I can suspend my belief... to a point. I'm currently in California, and there is ZERO chance the "Land of Fruits & Nuts" would join with Texas!
And your timing on this is... scary. VERY SCARY!
Alliances are made to further interests, not values.
Texas and CA are both hugely recourced and populated - enough to exist as independently powerful countries. In the movie, they are allies because they both benefit from a weakened US, not because they're best buddies or ever would be.
Do you think the irl USA is allied with Saudi Arrabia cause they're just some cool guys?
I didn’t even know about this movie, thanks for the info
This film is a scary portrayal of Project 2025‼️
2018 when it started to break down.
Please look at The Ancient Enemy from The Phantoms.
Phantoms like a mufucka!
The fact that this movie was left morally ambiguous was honestly the best thing they could have done.
The country is too polarized right now and a movie about Civil War was NOT what the country needs right now nor frankly wants. It seems to me that they made this movie so general because they wanted to stoke the fires without calling out any one specific group.
It's frankly propaganda at the highest level.
I typically agree with your analysis and critique, but I believe you wholly missed the point here. The war is not meant to be explained, it is not meant to pick sides or show who the worst people are. It is a warning, a black mirror of what could be if we continue down the hostile tribal path. Its not even dystopian, it is a violent time of war intended to fix what aggressive self-righteous politics has wrought; but the US isn't lost or without hope even then. Capturing this all through the lens of dispassionate photographers was the perfect perspective to force the audience to feel the tension and see the real human cost. Staying out of the politics is necessary not to cast one side out or stoke further division, because it isn't about philosophy; this is about that very division, it is cooperation or death. Are we the United States? Or are we the states of decay?
Instead of centering around journalists the movie should have revolved around the soldiers in the war
You've obviously not been paying attention to what's been happening in Gaza for the past 9 months. "Why would soliders be ok to being photographed committing war crimes".
This movie makes more sense than you realize and is a greater possibility than anyone wants to think about.
Disagree. The movie is confusing and scrambled, just like real war. The politics dont matter, because the result of civil war would be fragmentation, as shown in the film. Most of the usa people today pick a cause or side knowing nothing of any ideologies of either side. And the 'leaders' of these sides dont either, saying whatever fits the audience in front of them for the moment.
It's interesting I've never felt so much emotion, love or disdain, in FCE voice. Maybe that's more about the subject matter.
you should explained Glass (2019 film)
After watching it twice, I believe none of the details matter. It was the tale of two women. One, tired, jaded, questioning her role as a war photographer. The other, naive,learning the trade on the run. The first one, recognizes too late the value of intervening to save a life. The second one, is too focused on the job, and loses her humanity, taking advantage of taking a shot instead of mourning the death of her mentor.
I agree with your criticism of the film, it’s deeply unserious and made by out of touch people
Now where's Uncivil War?
Straight away, Pokémon cameo clips.
The timing of this is very scary bc I have said to some of my friends that I think Trump might try to change the 2 term limit law..and he has this deep love for Putin.. plus he said he would try to change the law where if you are president you cannot face any criminal charges for anything while your the president.. that is absolutely fkn insane and exactly what a aspiring dictator would do..
Touch grass you absolute schizo.
I wonder if something like this wouldn't be better done like The Office or World War Zs book, differing people giving there story after the smoke clears
Such a great film imo, enjoyed it from beginning to end and couldn't get away from it. Glad I picked up the 4k Blu-ray,in all the chaotic that is happening in the movie it looks gorgeous and amazing.
Did nobody in the comments actually watch your video?