Robin Williams had just finished filming "Hook" at the time and was attached to another project, which is why they got Matt Frewer (who even as a kid I'd recognized as playing Max Headroom). It's a shame because I do think he would've injected even more humor than Frewer did, but I guess we'll never know. People in the comments thinking Robin was too big a star to do it forget that Williams took quite a few indie films for far less pay (usually a percent of profits or just really low paycheck) when he was really interested in a movie (a good example being One Hour Photo) and given he was also a Star Trek fan was likely honored to be offered the role, but contractual obligations being what they are just couldn't do two projects at once.
Lots of big names did Trek, a lot of people where fans. Robin Williams was a bit of a geek, I can see him doing TNG just for fun. Also back then TNG had a tight turn around, they may have only needed him on set for a few days at most.
That was fun to hear about! Sounds as well, like it really was in the running to be used -- but also, like it was quite fun to write. Thanks for sharing this!
I want to see this. Sounds great! All of the classic conundrums, feels like TNG! I could pretty much see all of the scenes and transitions play out in my head as you were saying it. :)
I love that you are going on so many subjects other than just game design. Watching TNG as a kid, I think I would have loved that episode. I could see the same plot being liked and fitting into any of the newer series. Thanks for sharing!
Edge of my seat, really hits that star trek TNG vibe. One plot-hole is why didn't such an advanced race not just move to another planet? Also fleshing out why Data was able to suss out why he was a clone would be of interest. But also having Data be cognizant of this might create complications there for teleporter use (which just clones/replicates you and kills the original if memory serves). But even with those critiques aside (of something you're just remembering off the top of your head from many decades ago which nuances may have already been addressed), REALLY engaging concept and a well told story. I just can't help myself, but to steal from fallout, I think my telling's would be that all citizens of that world are Robin Williams (ala gary from fo's vault 108), and that became a thing because on his planet they invented a type of replicator technology that takes vast amounts of latinum (or mystery chemical X, but I would go latinum), once abundant on the planet and now depleted, which that technology was quickly weaponized and used by an ambitious country to create seemingly infinite weapons, then inevitably, infinite solders... then the technology was stolen and used by all rebel warring nations... robin williams was the super soldier in that war and served on the eventually winning side. It was thought and he justified it to himself at the time that it was the only hope for survival of the species to build an army to such an extent that it wiped out nearly everybody else out, leaving only a handful of robin willams left at the end of the day, all of which are maimed mentally by a brutal and near impossible war... but over the centuries, it's hard to say what 'could have been' which drives him slightly mad. Being a race of just robin willams after the war, replication was the only means of reproduction, but much like gary, the more you use it the funnier the joke that is existence becomes,... but having survived such a traumatic war literally killing everyone in order to save anyone, joking became a core and vital coping mechanism to the point in which that is what made up the species at a foundational level. Intergalactic trades for the race of Robin Williams is fruitless because of the rarity of the material, and any attempts to negotiate with the ferengi would be futile as they are looking for latinum for their own undisclosed needs (stock piling for many millenniums around a multigenerational religious order - the rules of acquisition). I personally would add onto the replicator lore in which replicators surely use a large amount of energy to create the output (3d printing objects with matter), but like a type of 'oil' in that machine would be latinum and without it renders replication impossible especially at any real scale, and the reasoning why it is useful is because it is used as a required shielding in the replication device as latinum can't be replicated and allows the machine to function reliably and accurately. To run a civilization for centuries just solely on replication eventually runs your oil dry, and their oversized replicators once used for war are running out of that vital material and the robin williams only have one generation to 'figure out a solution', or it's the end of their species (he's essentially the last of the dodo birds - it's either replication or bust). I would keep the cloning of the enterprise (and also cloning robin williams on both), I would ditch dematerializing it and instead I think upon the two enterprises meeting both would then immediately become hostile towards each other as communication becomes nearly impossible and the threat of a cloned starship being on the loose is not permissible. Upon not being able to cooperate, either self destruction or attack are the only two options, both hastily considered, and as the tensions come to a head and both datas (who to this point have been sitting quietly) would proclaim in unison which is the 'clone' and which is the 'originals' averting both picards from self destructing their own ship,... a proclamation that was all too quickly acceptable to the picards. Upon this discovery, I would have the clones escape with their lives specifically Data steering the ship away, and in hesitation by picard prime allows them to get away; I would end the episode with the clone Picard sending what is akin to a postcard to Picard prime, saying that they are in the process of disabling the ship lest it falls into the wrong hands, and that even though Picard prime knows exactly where they are going to next, to please have mercy and not to follow (heavy implications of being a grape farmer or something mundane on a foreign world at the edge of known space), and ending with a promise in which picard and co will eventually become lost and will never come back. Picard looks annoyed by this and calls Data to his quarters and asks how he could tell what manner of hashing or versioning was he able to perform in order to tell who was who, what was the trick data?... and it is revealed that even data couldn't and didn't know and worse, that it didn't matter. Data checked all of his systems, multiple times, are they all were exactly as expected, and he knew that the other data would do the same and also knew he would admit to being the clone for the safety of the ship if he was altered, but neither data said anything, after adequate time to discover any inconsistencies, and with increasing tensions, he just used his random number generator and effectively flipped a coin using the current ships location as a unique seed, in any case saving at least one set of the crew rather than dooming both to destruction. Picard orders Data to perform a deletion of the relevant records, in which data agrees and says that it is for the best - end of episode. I would call the episode: "starship of theseus"
WHaaaT? Nooo! I almost fell out of my chair when you said Robin Williams! We almost had Williams in TNG - technically twice; two seperate iterations? Wow. I haven't been this disappointed in a while. That script idea was so good! But Williams in TNG would have been legendary. To steal a Star Wars meme: "We were on the verge of greatness - we were this close!"
Super long comment but I have to say, Tim, I can see why this script might have been rejected. A super hilarious, comedic species, of which Robin Williams in all his hyperactive and chaotic schtick is the most boring, feels far too out of place in Trek because while yes, Trek has been silly at times, it's almost always a byproduct of cheesy writing and in the rare moments when it is intentional it's just for a quick joke in an otherwise serious episode. All that said, the basic premise, a reclusive species that rejected joining the Federation but has reluctantly called out into the void for aid to solve a crisis is good, great even, but aside from the Robin Williams species bit, I think it also would have needed some refinement. The biggest issue, in my mind, is the solution to their problem being that they should start harvesting asteroids for raw replicator materials instead of their own planetary core. I question how a people as advanced as they are would have never came to that conclusion on their own. They aren't Pakleds lol. A possible explanation could be that the asteroid belts in their system are culturally significant to them in some way, but that's not a very good explanation in my opinion and it'd be better if the solution were something entirely different, not something simple that they had to conveniently overlook or dismiss for "reasons." Perhaps they've realized this on their own and have been doing so but after having already harvested 80% they've realized it's only a temporary solution as they're running out of asteroids to harvest within their own system which is why they're now looking for outside help before they resort to the mass scale mining of any of the other planets and moons in their system. There's also the issue of how this species' replicators seem to work differently than Starfleet's replicators. Based on your description of the issue, their replicators use matter/matter conversion, breaking down existing matter at the subatomic level and converting it into different matter but Starfleet replicators use energy/matter conversion technology, converting matter to energy and energy to matter. The species perceived advanced replicator tech could be a byproduct of how they work, being a much faster and higher capacity method than Starfleet's method, kind of like how in real life, fossil fuel power production is more space efficient and faster than green methods like solar or wind but it's not indefinitely sustainable. Perhaps the solution could be that the species needs to switch to using Starfleet replicators. Starfleet's replicators might not be as powerful or as fast as their matter/matter conversion replicators but Starfleet's replicators do not require raw materials to operate, only energy, which can be generated through a myriad of green methods and energy production can be scaled up to meet whatever demands the species may have. This replicator tech switch being the solution, Picard, through his knack and skill at diplomacy, could convince the species to join the Federation. He would explain that Federation laws and Starfleet regulations prohibit him from giving them Federation replicator tech but he would offer to help as much as his single ship could while also sending a message to Starfleet Command requesting further assistance, no strings attached. He would also stress the point that if they were part of the Federation, not only would they would have the full support of the entire Federation and access to Federation replicator tech, in the event of any future crises they needn't send out a distress signal and hope some passing aliens are kind enough and able to help, that the entire Federation would rally around them to help without hesitation. The species leadership agrees to join, not so much because of what they would get from joining, but because if Picard, an appointed representative of Starfleet and the Federation is willing to help them as much as he can even though he has no obligation to do so, then the Federation is worth joining. The episode ends showing the Enterprise D and another Starfleet ship in orbit above the planet, Picard is recording a captain's log explaining that the diplomatic corps has arrived and Captain So-and-so of the USS Other-Ship has assumed command of the situation and will handle all the fine detail negotiations and finalization of this species joining the Federation. Picard will also mention how an engineering task force is already en route to begin converting or replacing all of the matter/matter replicators with matter/energy replicators and to also begin work to reverse the damage to the planet.
I could see this as an episode of TNG. Particularly, I like the dark sort of a twist that this population of extremely funny aliens have no moral qualms when it comes to eradicating the lives of the duplicates.
Sounds like it could have been a very interesting episode! My uncle actually also submitted an episode, but his script wasn't good enough. We never knew about it, but we discovered it when we found the letter while we were going through his stuff after he passed away.
I've been playing Startrek online lately and I've been feeling really nostaling for TNG camp. This was a good watch, really enjoyed as startrekian idea. I find funny that you take the casual destruction of a duplicate as something of a trekie trope. It seems to be, i don't disagree... but i still remember watching the vogager episode and thinking: "thats pretty messed up, right? they kinda don't ponder on what just happened... i guess when you are a federation officer you get used to this kind of shenanigans
the part about how they can't stop using the replicator even when they know it will destroy the planet feels kind of ahead of its time. the world is facing a similar problem now with fossil fuel, and just like in the story we're unable to stop using it. i really enjoyed this story, thanks tim
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That would have been the most fun episode of TNG. That's a hilarious story! I love it! I have a friend here in Tucson, John Vornholt, who has written dozens of Star Trek TNG novels. Maybe you guys could resurrect it as a novel!
Sounds like it would have been a good episode and it seems to me like elements of it are present in a few other episdoes from the TNG, DS9, and VOY era. It also reminds me of a Voyager episode from season 5 (I think?) called Course: Oblivion in which [SPOILERS obviously] the crew of this one off episode realize that they are duplicates of the original Voyager crew and are gradually degrading, so they spend the episode looking for the original Voyager hoping that they can help them. Its actually a pretty dark episode, because they all just die in the end without finding the original Voyager 😆
@FiXato Voyager did have some pretty hardcore episodes lol. It would have been kind of funny if there was another episode later on where they randomly realize that one of the crew members who has been on the real Voyager is actually a silver blood duplicate that got mixed up somehow, so they go and try to put them back haha
Sounds like a cool episode idea! Did it go into how the species became so chaotic and hyper? I’m also curious about how, if their tech was so good they could scan and duplicate living beings at a scale the size of the ship, why wouldn’t they be able to replace the core of their planet with things they no longer needed? Or figure out the asteroid solution the crew figured out for them? Also, how were the Data’s able to identify themselves as original or duplicate? I’m sure it was all in the script but you got me so invested I find myself following along and wanting more detail!
I cant answer anything but I have a guess on the data thing. The copy would be some seconds late in its time in the time gap of scan and creation. So when they synchronise their data, the time difference would tell who is the original.
Tim Cain? Star Trek? TNG at that??? Instant watch. *watches video* That sounds like it would have been an absolutely brilliant episode, I was already reeling when you said Robin beamed up, I can only imagine how memorable this would've been had it happened! If situations had been different, maybe there was a way this could've come back but as an episode of Lower Decks.
My Star Trek script was about Worf feeling sad on a klingon holiday 😂 I also had a simpson get rejected that spoofed a certain ghost catching movie from the 1980s
If you want a true appreciation of the entire writing process for TNG, The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years by Marc Altman amd Edward Gross is an excellent read.
I relay like the idea, the idea of copies not being perfect resonates with me. It's a bit like Jpeg compression, each generation losses quality. If the replicators they used where not 100% stable & they keep using them, the side effects of the tech opens a lot of fun ideas for story. What happens if you have a society based on replication but each generation is deteriorating, changes so small you cant tell but 100 years later it's clear. You may even end up with a species that looks nothing like itself from the past, finding relics and thinking a different spices lived on the planet not knowing how much they had changed.
It could have been worse! I had a pal who submitted an outline about Worf getting married, and they loved it! so much so they took the plot and wrote their own story :D They didn't realize the author was a credited tv writer, or they would have done diff. I don't know what it's like now, but in general back then you could take *I think it was* 40% of a script and as long as you rewrote it yourself, it was yours. Film buffs will know many more tales like that. That they were poss Inspired by your script is a much nicer story!!
I think maybe the only reason it didn't get accepted was because it would mess with lore a bit too much. They didn't use it for voyager or other seasons
There's Data, Lore, B4, and another one I think, but it sounds earlier than Lore, who can use contractions and Data wasn't able to. (However Data on occasions had used contractions, script errors)
Hard to say how the episode would land as Rogin Williams was very divisive with his acting and comedy style. I personally loved what he did but I know people who absolutely cannot stand him. The comedic episode would also have never worked in later seasons when the tone shifted to being more serious.
The best TNG is the one where he lives a whole life on a planet( while unconscious on the bridge) in his mind after being contacted by an alien probe. The point of the probe was to acknowledge a long lost destroyed civilization. (Picard)
It's awesome that you just helped someone with a project like that out of nowhere. We need more people willing to collaborate in this world. Let me know btw if you can find time to chat
YO Tuvix mentioned Neelix rules, he's such a goofy character but the dude is legit the sole survivor of a global genocide of his race like in one of the novels he tells a story about getting his first car that's just a sitcom plot, fake gift to dash his hopes then his parents show him the car and it's revealed it was his childhood sweetheart's idea *insert laugh track here*. then his next story is about finding an anti war political figure beat to death in his boyhood hideout in the woods and that the pro war movement is starting to mobilize against the invaders who plan to turn his entire planet into a super max prison
Mike stoklasa and Tim should totally do a Star trek trivia together !
Or with the first champion, Rich Evans!
@@CaptTerrific Rich Evans would be too powerful...
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Oh this would be awesome. Mike's a boomer and doesn't know what a videogame is though so I doubt he would. Rich would be a better fit imo.
@@Zeropointill Christmas or New year RLM special with Tim would explode the internets.
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Robin Williams had just finished filming "Hook" at the time and was attached to another project, which is why they got Matt Frewer (who even as a kid I'd recognized as playing Max Headroom). It's a shame because I do think he would've injected even more humor than Frewer did, but I guess we'll never know. People in the comments thinking Robin was too big a star to do it forget that Williams took quite a few indie films for far less pay (usually a percent of profits or just really low paycheck) when he was really interested in a movie (a good example being One Hour Photo) and given he was also a Star Trek fan was likely honored to be offered the role, but contractual obligations being what they are just couldn't do two projects at once.
Lots of big names did Trek, a lot of people where fans. Robin Williams was a bit of a geek, I can see him doing TNG just for fun.
Also back then TNG had a tight turn around, they may have only needed him on set for a few days at most.
I'm sensing a running theme here. I think this is third or fourth video about replicating matter and consequences of it 🙂
The Spacer's Choice version of the Enterprise would be interesting to see.
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Wouldn't that just be your average ship bought from a Ferengi?
I love getting to hear more about this. I really enjoyed the Pistol Shrimp Games conversation.
Great story. I love Robin Williams. I really didn't care for the premise and the lore implications of this story. It was fun to hear about though!
That was fun to hear about! Sounds as well, like it really was in the running to be used -- but also, like it was quite fun to write. Thanks for sharing this!
omg this would have been such a fun episode!
I want to see this. Sounds great! All of the classic conundrums, feels like TNG! I could pretty much see all of the scenes and transitions play out in my head as you were saying it. :)
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This Friday is even better!
@@CainOnGamesin your script did they destroy the REAL ENTERPRISE? And leave the duplicates?
I love that you are going on so many subjects other than just game design. Watching TNG as a kid, I think I would have loved that episode. I could see the same plot being liked and fitting into any of the newer series. Thanks for sharing!
thanks for always uploading early tim! these vids are a nice part of my morning routine
Edge of my seat, really hits that star trek TNG vibe.
One plot-hole is why didn't such an advanced race not just move to another planet?
Also fleshing out why Data was able to suss out why he was a clone would be of interest. But also having Data be cognizant of this might create complications there for teleporter use (which just clones/replicates you and kills the original if memory serves).
But even with those critiques aside (of something you're just remembering off the top of your head from many decades ago which nuances may have already been addressed), REALLY engaging concept and a well told story.
I just can't help myself, but to steal from fallout, I think my telling's would be that all citizens of that world are Robin Williams (ala gary from fo's vault 108), and that became a thing because on his planet they invented a type of replicator technology that takes vast amounts of latinum (or mystery chemical X, but I would go latinum), once abundant on the planet and now depleted, which that technology was quickly weaponized and used by an ambitious country to create seemingly infinite weapons, then inevitably, infinite solders... then the technology was stolen and used by all rebel warring nations... robin williams was the super soldier in that war and served on the eventually winning side. It was thought and he justified it to himself at the time that it was the only hope for survival of the species to build an army to such an extent that it wiped out nearly everybody else out, leaving only a handful of robin willams left at the end of the day, all of which are maimed mentally by a brutal and near impossible war... but over the centuries, it's hard to say what 'could have been' which drives him slightly mad. Being a race of just robin willams after the war, replication was the only means of reproduction, but much like gary, the more you use it the funnier the joke that is existence becomes,... but having survived such a traumatic war literally killing everyone in order to save anyone, joking became a core and vital coping mechanism to the point in which that is what made up the species at a foundational level. Intergalactic trades for the race of Robin Williams is fruitless because of the rarity of the material, and any attempts to negotiate with the ferengi would be futile as they are looking for latinum for their own undisclosed needs (stock piling for many millenniums around a multigenerational religious order - the rules of acquisition). I personally would add onto the replicator lore in which replicators surely use a large amount of energy to create the output (3d printing objects with matter), but like a type of 'oil' in that machine would be latinum and without it renders replication impossible especially at any real scale, and the reasoning why it is useful is because it is used as a required shielding in the replication device as latinum can't be replicated and allows the machine to function reliably and accurately. To run a civilization for centuries just solely on replication eventually runs your oil dry, and their oversized replicators once used for war are running out of that vital material and the robin williams only have one generation to 'figure out a solution', or it's the end of their species (he's essentially the last of the dodo birds - it's either replication or bust). I would keep the cloning of the enterprise (and also cloning robin williams on both), I would ditch dematerializing it and instead I think upon the two enterprises meeting both would then immediately become hostile towards each other as communication becomes nearly impossible and the threat of a cloned starship being on the loose is not permissible. Upon not being able to cooperate, either self destruction or attack are the only two options, both hastily considered, and as the tensions come to a head and both datas (who to this point have been sitting quietly) would proclaim in unison which is the 'clone' and which is the 'originals' averting both picards from self destructing their own ship,... a proclamation that was all too quickly acceptable to the picards. Upon this discovery, I would have the clones escape with their lives specifically Data steering the ship away, and in hesitation by picard prime allows them to get away; I would end the episode with the clone Picard sending what is akin to a postcard to Picard prime, saying that they are in the process of disabling the ship lest it falls into the wrong hands, and that even though Picard prime knows exactly where they are going to next, to please have mercy and not to follow (heavy implications of being a grape farmer or something mundane on a foreign world at the edge of known space), and ending with a promise in which picard and co will eventually become lost and will never come back. Picard looks annoyed by this and calls Data to his quarters and asks how he could tell what manner of hashing or versioning was he able to perform in order to tell who was who, what was the trick data?... and it is revealed that even data couldn't and didn't know and worse, that it didn't matter. Data checked all of his systems, multiple times, are they all were exactly as expected, and he knew that the other data would do the same and also knew he would admit to being the clone for the safety of the ship if he was altered, but neither data said anything, after adequate time to discover any inconsistencies, and with increasing tensions, he just used his random number generator and effectively flipped a coin using the current ships location as a unique seed, in any case saving at least one set of the crew rather than dooming both to destruction. Picard orders Data to perform a deletion of the relevant records, in which data agrees and says that it is for the best - end of episode. I would call the episode: "starship of theseus"
8:28 They didn't kill the Riker duplicate, they sent the duplicate away from the ship and he re-appears as an episode of Deep Space 9.
Somewhere in an alternate universe this episode was filmed and some dude has it on blu ray and I'd kill to have it.
Neelix gets no love. Nor Tuvix.
WHaaaT? Nooo! I almost fell out of my chair when you said Robin Williams! We almost had Williams in TNG - technically twice; two seperate iterations? Wow. I haven't been this disappointed in a while. That script idea was so good! But Williams in TNG would have been legendary. To steal a Star Wars meme: "We were on the verge of greatness - we were this close!"
Super long comment but I have to say, Tim, I can see why this script might have been rejected. A super hilarious, comedic species, of which Robin Williams in all his hyperactive and chaotic schtick is the most boring, feels far too out of place in Trek because while yes, Trek has been silly at times, it's almost always a byproduct of cheesy writing and in the rare moments when it is intentional it's just for a quick joke in an otherwise serious episode.
All that said, the basic premise, a reclusive species that rejected joining the Federation but has reluctantly called out into the void for aid to solve a crisis is good, great even, but aside from the Robin Williams species bit, I think it also would have needed some refinement. The biggest issue, in my mind, is the solution to their problem being that they should start harvesting asteroids for raw replicator materials instead of their own planetary core. I question how a people as advanced as they are would have never came to that conclusion on their own. They aren't Pakleds lol. A possible explanation could be that the asteroid belts in their system are culturally significant to them in some way, but that's not a very good explanation in my opinion and it'd be better if the solution were something entirely different, not something simple that they had to conveniently overlook or dismiss for "reasons." Perhaps they've realized this on their own and have been doing so but after having already harvested 80% they've realized it's only a temporary solution as they're running out of asteroids to harvest within their own system which is why they're now looking for outside help before they resort to the mass scale mining of any of the other planets and moons in their system.
There's also the issue of how this species' replicators seem to work differently than Starfleet's replicators. Based on your description of the issue, their replicators use matter/matter conversion, breaking down existing matter at the subatomic level and converting it into different matter but Starfleet replicators use energy/matter conversion technology, converting matter to energy and energy to matter. The species perceived advanced replicator tech could be a byproduct of how they work, being a much faster and higher capacity method than Starfleet's method, kind of like how in real life, fossil fuel power production is more space efficient and faster than green methods like solar or wind but it's not indefinitely sustainable. Perhaps the solution could be that the species needs to switch to using Starfleet replicators. Starfleet's replicators might not be as powerful or as fast as their matter/matter conversion replicators but Starfleet's replicators do not require raw materials to operate, only energy, which can be generated through a myriad of green methods and energy production can be scaled up to meet whatever demands the species may have.
This replicator tech switch being the solution, Picard, through his knack and skill at diplomacy, could convince the species to join the Federation. He would explain that Federation laws and Starfleet regulations prohibit him from giving them Federation replicator tech but he would offer to help as much as his single ship could while also sending a message to Starfleet Command requesting further assistance, no strings attached. He would also stress the point that if they were part of the Federation, not only would they would have the full support of the entire Federation and access to Federation replicator tech, in the event of any future crises they needn't send out a distress signal and hope some passing aliens are kind enough and able to help, that the entire Federation would rally around them to help without hesitation. The species leadership agrees to join, not so much because of what they would get from joining, but because if Picard, an appointed representative of Starfleet and the Federation is willing to help them as much as he can even though he has no obligation to do so, then the Federation is worth joining. The episode ends showing the Enterprise D and another Starfleet ship in orbit above the planet, Picard is recording a captain's log explaining that the diplomatic corps has arrived and Captain So-and-so of the USS Other-Ship has assumed command of the situation and will handle all the fine detail negotiations and finalization of this species joining the Federation. Picard will also mention how an engineering task force is already en route to begin converting or replacing all of the matter/matter replicators with matter/energy replicators and to also begin work to reverse the damage to the planet.
This was better than expected.
Thanks Uncle Tim
I could see this as an episode of TNG. Particularly, I like the dark sort of a twist that this population of extremely funny aliens have no moral qualms when it comes to eradicating the lives of the duplicates.
Captain. We've detected a windows error. Perhaps if we run multimodal reflection sorting we may be able to find the source of the error prompt.
Definitely tacheons in the nacelles; those things really screw with your polarised manifolds.
Robin Williams, bringing back his Mork and Mindy schtick.
Sounds like it could have been a very interesting episode! My uncle actually also submitted an episode, but his script wasn't good enough. We never knew about it, but we discovered it when we found the letter while we were going through his stuff after he passed away.
Damn. Robin Williams was such a gem.
8:38 Tuvix! Tuvok and Neelix fusion. That was one of my favorite episodes as a kid for some reason. Would’ve loved to see this episode!
Wonderful story, Tim! Thank you! 😊
HOW did this not become a TNG episode? It's perfect.
The script sounds really cool! would have made an amazing episode.
I've been playing Startrek online lately and I've been feeling really nostaling for TNG camp.
This was a good watch, really enjoyed as startrekian idea.
I find funny that you take the casual destruction of a duplicate as something of a trekie trope. It seems to be, i don't disagree... but i still remember watching the vogager episode and thinking: "thats pretty messed up, right? they kinda don't ponder on what just happened... i guess when you are a federation officer you get used to this kind of shenanigans
Voyager also copied fragments of this rejected script in the episode Demon (and Course Oblivion) where they copied entire Voyager :P
And the episode Parallax.
@@rusty_from_earth9577 That was one horrible episode >_>
As someone who wasn't there and wasn't involved in any way, I can confirm that this retelling was 101% accurate
I should not have clicked this video. Now I REALLY want to see that episode. Darn it!
As someone who grew up on TNG, sounds like an episode I would've enjoyed! :D
the part about how they can't stop using the replicator even when they know it will destroy the planet feels kind of ahead of its time. the world is facing a similar problem now with fossil fuel, and just like in the story we're unable to stop using it. i really enjoyed this story, thanks tim
Please tell us what your favorite TNG episodes and characters are. Why do you like TNG? What would a Star Trek TNG role playing video game be like if you designed it?
Sounded like a lot of fun ! Deffinitely seemed like a Data episode :)
That would have been the most fun episode of TNG. That's a hilarious story! I love it! I have a friend here in Tucson, John Vornholt, who has written dozens of Star Trek TNG novels. Maybe you guys could resurrect it as a novel!
I know I have terminal Trekkyism when I'm this hyped to hear about a rejected script from 30 years ago 😂
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Sounds like it would have been a good episode and it seems to me like elements of it are present in a few other episdoes from the TNG, DS9, and VOY era. It also reminds me of a Voyager episode from season 5 (I think?) called Course: Oblivion in which [SPOILERS obviously] the crew of this one off episode realize that they are duplicates of the original Voyager crew and are gradually degrading, so they spend the episode looking for the original Voyager hoping that they can help them. Its actually a pretty dark episode, because they all just die in the end without finding the original Voyager 😆
Those two Silver Blood (the other being the episode "Demon") episodes also came to my mind!
@FiXato Voyager did have some pretty hardcore episodes lol. It would have been kind of funny if there was another episode later on where they randomly realize that one of the crew members who has been on the real Voyager is actually a silver blood duplicate that got mixed up somehow, so they go and try to put them back haha
@@dudewithavideocamera I would hope the Doctor blood screened the entire crew!
That would've been a very interesting episode!
Wow that sounds really interesting, it's unfortunate they didn't decide to make an episode about it.
Sounds like a cool episode idea! Did it go into how the species became so chaotic and hyper? I’m also curious about how, if their tech was so good they could scan and duplicate living beings at a scale the size of the ship, why wouldn’t they be able to replace the core of their planet with things they no longer needed? Or figure out the asteroid solution the crew figured out for them? Also, how were the Data’s able to identify themselves as original or duplicate?
I’m sure it was all in the script but you got me so invested I find myself following along and wanting more detail!
I cant answer anything but I have a guess on the data thing. The copy would be some seconds late in its time in the time gap of scan and creation. So when they synchronise their data, the time difference would tell who is the original.
Tim Cain? Star Trek? TNG at that??? Instant watch.
*watches video*
That sounds like it would have been an absolutely brilliant episode, I was already reeling when you said Robin beamed up, I can only imagine how memorable this would've been had it happened! If situations had been different, maybe there was a way this could've come back but as an episode of Lower Decks.
I love how Tim says "Star Trak"
Loved listening to this. It sounded a bit like a Robert Sheckley take on Star Trek.
Any thoughts on the upcoming outer worlds 2?
I love story time with Tim. ❤
I didn’t even realize I was THIS early thank you unctuous Tim
Sounds like it could make for a fun detective game.
My Star Trek script was about Worf feeling sad on a klingon holiday 😂
I also had a simpson get rejected that spoofed a certain ghost catching movie from the 1980s
8:38 I burst out laughing, Neelix's name is forgotten XD
That's a crazy story, would have been great
8:13 I'm just a copy of a copy of a copy!
If you want a true appreciation of the entire writing process for TNG, The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years by Marc Altman amd Edward Gross is an excellent read.
What are your thoughts on The Orville?
wow sounds like an amazing tng episode
I really want a Trek Action-RPG.
This sounds better than the Insurrection movie.
This would've been great for The Orville
This sounds like an episode of Lower Decks.
I relay like the idea, the idea of copies not being perfect resonates with me. It's a bit like Jpeg compression, each generation losses quality.
If the replicators they used where not 100% stable & they keep using them, the side effects of the tech opens a lot of fun ideas for story.
What happens if you have a society based on replication but each generation is deteriorating, changes so small you cant tell but 100 years later it's clear.
You may even end up with a species that looks nothing like itself from the past, finding relics and thinking a different spices lived on the planet not knowing how much they had changed.
Damn sounded pretty good.
Honestly love the pitch, haha
Not even a Star Trek fan and this sounds great
Sounds rad!
mommy and daddy are going out tonight.. Uncle Tim will babysit you.. FAST FORWARD: this is what Uncle Tim talks about all night.
It could have been worse! I had a pal who submitted an outline about Worf getting married, and they loved it! so much so they took the plot and wrote their own story :D They didn't realize the author was a credited tv writer, or they would have done diff. I don't know what it's like now, but in general back then you could take *I think it was* 40% of a script and as long as you rewrote it yourself, it was yours. Film buffs will know many more tales like that. That they were poss Inspired by your script is a much nicer story!!
* Neelix. You are forgiven.🤣(08:40)
Sounds a lot like the episode of Voyager when the enter ship was copied. Maybe this influenced that script?
Fantastic idea!
Wouldn’t this race have fallen in love with the Holodeck concept then? The ability to make anything and everything but also erase it when done?
How is Outer Worlds 2 looking so far?
I think maybe the only reason it didn't get accepted was because it would mess with lore a bit too much. They didn't use it for voyager or other seasons
There's Data, Lore, B4, and another one I think, but it sounds earlier than Lore, who can use contractions and Data wasn't able to.
(However Data on occasions had used contractions, script errors)
@wesss9353 I mean the lore of the universe
Hard to say how the episode would land as Rogin Williams was very divisive with his acting and comedy style. I personally loved what he did but I know people who absolutely cannot stand him.
The comedic episode would also have never worked in later seasons when the tone shifted to being more serious.
The best TNG is the one where he lives a whole life on a planet( while unconscious on the bridge) in his mind after being contacted by an alien probe.
The point of the probe was to acknowledge a long lost destroyed civilization. (Picard)
measure of a man>>>>
Tuvok and Neelix
Thank you!
That's a great story!
This sounds amazing 😂
I kind of love it =D
Mork and Mindy X TNG
You know Voyager did a very similar story, right?
mygoodness that is an absolutely terrible idea
It's awesome that you just helped someone with a project like that out of nowhere.
We need more people willing to collaborate in this world.
Let me know btw if you can find time to chat
Jesus Christ. UA-cam hid this comment for 7 effing hours.
I hate youtube
I like it!
That's a fun script 😂
Tuvix! What a terrible episode, but a memorable character.
That would have been the best episode ever.
Janeway murdered Tuvix!
That would've been a fun one. Maybe even a classic. Sad it never happened!
YO Tuvix mentioned
Neelix rules, he's such a goofy character but the dude is legit the sole survivor of a global genocide of his race
like in one of the novels he tells a story about getting his first car that's just a sitcom plot, fake gift to dash his hopes then his parents show him the car and it's revealed it was his childhood sweetheart's idea *insert laugh track here*. then his next story is about finding an anti war political figure beat to death in his boyhood hideout in the woods and that the pro war movement is starting to mobilize against the invaders who plan to turn his entire planet into a super max prison
That genuinely would've been a good TNG episode