Great catch Craig. As an exercise science major it’s easy for me to understand these comparisons but I think you make it easy for the average listener to understand as well. Keep up the good work my guy!
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, but to me it seemed as you were not bashing on anyone really or any other respective sport. You were just showing that with things done properly, CrossFit could be an OPTION for you. To me, it was one of those, well here is another option you can try, if you're not getting the results you want. Your vids are great, they are always showing a family style environment. Wish you and the family and the team a great 2020. Going to try and get back in shape this year, need that CrossFit to help me complete my first Spartan Race trifecta.
The key is to find something you'll do consistently. Something you enjoy whatever that may be - CrossFit, Body building, powerlifting, Running, etc As much as I love your videos, the more I watch the less I want to do CrossFit. The gym is the only alone time I get to be honest which I cherish. So Push, Pull, Legs with HIT cardio thrown in for me. Also CrossFit looks too much like hard work ;-)
Hundred percent agree that its just about finding what works for you and what you enjoy! Cos at the end of the day, that is what is going to motivate you to keep going and to actually enjoy the workout. For some it's bodybuilding, for others it's calisthenics and others crossfit. Find what you enjoy and motivates you and you're bound to make progress! 👍
I like crossfit, i do full body exercise everytime i workout, but i can't afford to pay $200-$300 a month to go to a crossfit gym. i love your content, but i cant actually afford to be a crossfitter.
@@lashawnwilliams1094 Is that for multiple times a week? i think i was offered $80/moth if i only go like 1-2 times a week. Maybe its an LA thing, i only checked out 1 crossfit gym close to me.
Crossfit is definitely helpful for building muscle but definitely not the most optimal method. But like you said it is better than classic hypertrophy bodybuilding for building more rounded overall fitness (gymnastics, powerlifting, conditioning, etc). All depends on what your goal is!!
It all about protein synthesis and "crossfit" has a good cycle for this to be optimal. Saying that it does have a high percentage for injury because its about speed and weight (a physio friend worked right next to a crossfit and they were very busy for that reason). Just train intelligently with compound movements, body weight and cortisol control time limits and recovery.
@@AntiTrollable yeah, I think some people go to crossfit and try to hit weights that are too heavy, not keeping in mind that they are going to be doing high rep exercises and they end up getting injured as you say. And as for size, I completely agree, you probably won't get jacked like a bodybuilder but I think as long as you eat enough ( healthy) calories to have that caloric surplus in spite of the high amount of cardio you can still gain sufficient size whilst staying lean!
deeshmond yeah i agree. I think its all about what you want out of your training and what you like. Some people want to do strength training and only that. Others want to do conditioning. Etc..
Something that I have gained with crossfit is not only physical gains but my mental strength has also increased. Pushing through crossfit workouts when things get uncomfortable has benefited my mental health and has boosted my confidence more than I ever had with just weightlifting in a typical gym. However I do enjoy a good bro session in a gym and I use that time to measure how much stronger I'm getting every month.
The hardest part about building muscle is having a great diet. That was my main problem until I found the Agoge Diet plan. Now I'm gaining more muscle than ever
Crossfit keeps me engaged, on my toes. The community is just awesome. Body composition become a side effect, a by product. As long as form is good, crossfit is safe.
True but thats kinda like saying Nascar is safe is you just don't hit anyone or get hit. Like with the high tempo and complexity of the movements, crossfit comes out to be just as prone to injury as rugby. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. But there is no denying that the chances of getting injured are rediculous when compared to other muscle building fields like powerlifting or bodybuilding. And yes while if you do crossfit correct that statistic lowers. It's not about the 1%of people who do it right. It's about the 99% of people who think breaking a sweat means they're working out. And if you get severely injured, it doesn't matter what you have done cause you'll be out for a while. Now to reiterate, I'm not saying you should not practice crossfit. But saying it's safe is just a plain lie
@@ionixm3496 I completely agree with you, but I think that there are some people that are ego lifters and tend to try and do workouts with weights that are too heavy, thus causing injuries. Don't you think? Though of of course there is the fact that the workouts are high volume with weight, meaning that injury is somewhat inevitable.
Key phrase there is “when good form is used”. Finding good form in a CrossFit gym is like finding a unicorn. All I see is jerking, swinging and momentum reps.
Key phrase there is “when good form is used”. Finding good form in a CrossFit gym is like finding a unicorn. All I see is jerking, swinging and momentum reps.
I've worked out at regular gyms for over 10 years, dieting, being supported by nutritionists and personal trainers, as well as being very careful on how to split my workouts, whilst researching for more effective ways of building muscle and trying different methodologies from the so-called experts over the years. I've switched to CrossFit, and after 1 year I was bigger, leaner and my blood test results were overall much better. So no matter what experts might say, there's NOTHING in this world that will ever convince me to go back to a regular gym, period.
@@tombeans2204definitely could be, especially if all you do before Crossfit is bodybuilding. The health benefits of bodybuilding are close to none, whereas crossfit provides incredible conditioning and cardiovascular health, and I find CF workouts to be much more challenging, motivating and enjoyable than just plain weightlifting workouts
@@lesliegee42069 it is tough to ever know for sure who is natural, but he has competed in natural organizations his whole life (powerlifting and bodybuilding) and has been randomly tested multiple times. Plus, his physique isn't naturally unattainable, so why assume he isn't natural when most signs point to him being natural? I think all kinds of athletes can learn a lot from Jeff, regardless of if they are into CrossFit, bodybuilding, powerlifting, etc. Of the youtubers, he should be one of the last ones someone should be throwing shade at.
People who are so quick to point the finger and cry "steroid user" are often defeatist losers that don't understand the power of good habits performed consistently over time.
I think the issue is that so many crossfitters are average people who just go for an hour like 3 times a week. So sure, they don't look shredded. But they are getting more fit. That's why I love crossfit. People just flexing in mirrors is cringe to me, lifting big numbers isn't a metric of manhood, but improving daily and being able to do actual cool stuff in the real world is amazing. Body building doesn't help you kayak, hike, snowboard, etc...crossfit does because you can modify it to meet your sport
I have a few problems with your video. Firstly, Jeffs video is based on a study that was never publicly released, so it's not peer-reviewed and has yet to be repeated. Jeff is pretty upfront about this in his video but you never even mention it, you instead make blanket statements like "Full body training as a natural athlete, training 5 to 6 times a week SCIENTIFICALLY has shown to increase gains" and "I'm just saying what the science says". This is misleading. Secondly, you keep mentioning bro-splits even though it's relatively uncommon to find anyone doing these anymore, particularly if they are natty. Upper lower, and push pull legs are by far the most common protocols. There is a general scientific consensus that training a muscle 2 to 3 times a week is optimal for muscle growth and recovery. You're treating bro-splits like a strawman which misleading again. Thirdly, you opened your video showing a bunch of athletes who have top tier genetics and who are on gear. These individuals would look just as jacked if they were competitive sprinters or rowers and it's unrealistic to say an average natty person can look like this from doing crossfit (or any sport). I say they are on gear because of all the Crossfit games competitors who have failed drug tests, and given how easy it is to cheat a drug test I'd wager most if not all of them are using.
@@JuanChavez-vz9my I used to do full body workouts and home and I completely agree with you! Though now I have started crossfit and I have to say I really love it. And as they say above I have to agree that Its really great for all round or functional fitness.
I used to think that too, but then I realised that gymnasts do that all the time and they are not only ripped but seem to generally be injury free if they have a good coach etc.
@@shortzor I mean if looking dumb is your qualifier for wether or not you want to do an exercise than I think you have a bigger issue than the ring muscle ups
Yeah, kipping/butterfly pullups are easy to injure, you need to actively keep your shoulders engaged rather than just hang, and you need to get the kip form correct - kipping and butterfly pullups are not intended to build muscular strength, but rather muscular endurance. CrossFit does include strict pullups when focusing on strength.
The only way I would agree with you topic is if CrossFit was more structured (less random WOD's). I agree that it is effective, but for bodybuilders the programming would need to be far more specific> Plus, all of the top guys are cycling on steroids...don't bother to deny it, they are. The level of vascularity points directly to gear. If you want to make a point, try finding someone who is drug free, and has before and after pictures. Also, just doing the daily WOD isn't enough to build those kinds of physiques. Like bodybuilders you need to be doing two sessions a day at least.
I’ve been training for 10 years now and lately I find crossfit extremely interesting, however I find it way to expensive (at least in Belgium). I pay 400 euros a year for all in fitness (drinks,sauna,fitness, etc...) and crossfit is 1300 euros for just crossfit.. If it was less expensive I’d do it for sure.
@@jarrydf Except you can be just as healthy and fit without paying this much. It's just ridiculous how expensive crossfit is, and that's all because of marketing.
Crossfit has become so popular that most gyms have some kind of crosstraining (generic name before crossfit organized and marketed it) classes with a trainer. I'd say try to find one of those and do the classes however many times a week fit into your budget. Then, just use the rest of the gym the rest of the week.
@@MyZ001 I've started crossfit in august this year despite of it being so expensive. I enjoy it alot so it's actually worth the money.. 😁 I guess... however it would be nice if they dropped the price in time.. 😶
You can make gains on a regular crossfit program if you are a newbie. After that, you need programming, which is exactly what pro Crossfit athletes do, but it's not what the commercial, average Joe, Crossfit experience is like. If you go to the box, do your technique and then the WoD, like 99% of Crossfit trainees do, you'll make some decent gains for the first 6 months and then almost completely stall after that. It would be interesting to track the progress of average crossfit enthusiasts that do just WoDs (i.e. the standard Crossfit protocol) and see how much they improve after their first year of working out. I'm pretty sure the answer is: close to zero
You lost me at 2:25, those were pro CrossFit athletes, I was watching Rich Froning and a few others vids and the pros do multiple sessions a day and have dedicated strength sessions with accessory work which gives them that pump. Now, I’ve seen normal gym goers do 1hr sessions 5 days a week, have bodies like pro crossfit guys, note I’m not talking about fitness. At 90min sessions which have a 30min cardio component I sit at sub 10% body fat. My point is that bodybuilding is optimized for just that and CrossFit requires more work to look like a bodybuilder and be good at CrossFit. Now, add in drugs and the difference is even more pronounced, there was an Australian Crossfit athlete booted from the games for testing positive and his body looked like a lower level pro bodybuilder.
I've noticed since I've incorporated more Crossfit workouts into my week I feel overall better as an athlete. I'm stronger and my endurance for running and on the bike has improved dramatically.
Having switched from bodybuilding style of training to CrossFit I‘ve seen some parts of my physique develop better and some not so much. Doing CrossFit twice a week does not yield as much return on muscle growth as a twice a week double progression bodybuilding style training because of the randomness of CrossFit. However, I‘ve almost never in my life had such a solid level of conditioning. I believe this is the main drawback of CrossFit: you need to do it at least 3x per week to see quick and dramatic changes. Even then due to random sampling of sessions and no clear progression/periodisation and fatigue management you will not be able to grow as much muscle and strength as with a focused programme. Since CrossFit by definition aims to achieve multiple goals at the same time not excelling at any one of these, I believe it’s a fair trade.
You said it perfect! It is interesting to see that the "CrossFit vs. bodybuilding" debate is still a thing, although it is even resting on a false premise of the two being (or needed to be) comparable. People sometimes don't even have a clear definition of bodybuilding. I never did real bodybuilding, when I started to hit the gym 8 years ago, I had no clue what to do, and (fortunately) started with functional training: kettlebells and "crosstraining" (which was a sort of crossfit training without the official label). I got hooked ever since, and I love all sorts of functional training. Although since the beginning I started to read up on bodybuilding, split training, and strict programs, and I always do involve some of these. I am so happy that many people start to realize that bodybuilding is evolving, as well as CrossFit does, and ultimately all these are ways to strengthen and to better ourselves. This video is great on explaining what CrossFit is for, and how you can use it for your benefits. Also, Obi Vincent has a great channel on this topic (he's coming from the bodybuilding world, transitioned to CrossFit and made a great synthesis of the two - what he calls CrossLifting).
I totally agree, I was a bodybuilder and I changed to CrossFit, so the result was my legs got bigger and stronger and my upper body was very weak and I lost muscles at the end. I do not know why CrossFit people do not mention muscles lost.
I’ve come to the conclusion (from my experience) that for the majority of fitness enthusiasts who just want to look good doing CrossFit with a few accessory bodybuilding movements is best and easiest way to build a well rounded physique
All those Crossfitters take PEDs. You can train like a CrossFitter while on gear and looked jacked. But for the average Joe, CrossFit sucks for getting big and strong.
You're just a crossfit groupie with no real understanding of strength training. Keep to what you know and leave the real gains to those who lift heavy. I did crossfit religiously for 7 years and ended up with chicken legs, small shoulders, no biceps, a 6pack and 8% body fat. I finally started to get some muscle after I found out about crossfit strength bias, Dave Tate, and Louie Simmons. So I implemented the conjugate method into my crossfit training. Even then, it was a bastardized strength program. Most muscular crossfitters came from a bodybuilding, powerlifting, or other strength background so they just have to maintain mass while working on their conditioning. no offence.
I’d love to do CrossFit instead but it’s way more expensive than a gym membership so it’s just not an option for me. So I get your point but it doesn’t take everything into account.
So I was bodybuilding for 5 years and recently switched to crossfit with a mix of cheeky bodybuilding every now and then 6 months ago. My physique has never been better! I look as lean as I was when I was like 4 weeks out from stepping on stage and I am 7kg's heavier with far bigger traps and shoulders which make me look even bigger. BUT Aside from that I am mentally so much more stable and happy with my physique because it is not an obsessive focus but rather a biproduct of training for performance.
I’m only pointing out what you pointed out in your post. No need to be upset with me. Many people get into bodybuilding for the wrong reasons and don’t train properly for it then quit like you did. I wish you the best in your fitness journey!
@@conorjohnmcnulty127 exactly clearly was not doing bodybuilding correct was probably just shoveling in tons of food with little to no cardio and then wondering why his physique isn't lean or impressive bodybuilding will be forever and a day better than Cross fit and I have nothing against cross fit
Sitting here 6mo pregnant, never done CrossFit a day in my life (I do OrangeTheory, make fun of me I don’t mind lol) but totally loving this video and the team. Ya’ll are always so positive and fun and make Crossfit seem totally approachable for anyone. Go team.
Jessica Smith as long as you are staying healthy and enjoying it, that’s good! But you should try CF sometime - it totally is doable by anyone and is a great community :)
Hi Jessica! Occasionally my friends and I take knocks at OrangeTheory, but realistically I do applaud that their short-class, cardio-monitored methodology has relatively high retention rates. The more people who are including activity as a staple in their weekly or daily regimen, in a growing society that is largely sedentary, is better for overall health. If you enjoy the culture of the OT classes, than I'm sure that you'll enjoy CF classes; I've been to both and feel that OT culture is like a small microcosm of what a larger CF community is. If I could participate in CF more regularly, I definitely would, but business hours and rates are just a bit out of my reach, I make do at commercial gyms :)
Hey Craig - as an older dude in your audience - I'd love for you to include your dad more in your videos - especially to provide either confirmation or push-back for some of your advice - especially in this context! Thanks for including him when you can!
I would like this as well. At 51, I do WODs three days a week and lift twice a week. 5 total days but more able to show up ready for the WODs by skipping a day between WODs. I wonder what you dad's split is.
@TeamRICHEY You should do a “Full Day Of Training” video with Jeff Nippard! I think it would be so cool to see a meeting of the minds like that since there is this weird disconnect between body building and CrossFit.
Craig, any chance of making a movement series, just to breakdown the basic's HSPU, Kipping, Rope Climbs ect. I know you have touched on them before but a full series would be great. Training alone I'm struggling to progress in lots of areas.
You really didn't add anything to the arguments of why someone should do cross fit vs literally anything else. Crossfit is a offshoot of strength conditioning did you forget that that ever even existed? Crossfit isn't good for absolute strength or size or power or speed. The idea of crossfit is a commercialization of the strength conditioning concept. There's nothing novel about CF. There are no top level professioal athletes who use CrossFit and it's prescribed workouts as a way to supplement or even regiment into or as a part of training. The athlete who won the Commonwealth didn't win by doing CrossFit work outs she wo by having carefully programmed training by Professionals. Oh also she's a freaking gymnast from a young age. Seems like she's would kick ass at moving no matter what you label it...
There’s no one guaranteed best way to develop a great physique. People are different, and therefore different styles of training and diet must be used for people of various genetic backgrounds to achieve overall fitness. Saying CrossFit or bodybuilding is better than the other is silly. Both can be ideal or non ideal depending on who you are.
Not considering injury rates, sure. But after that study by the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6505252, there really is no scientific reason to do crossfit. If you enjoy that environment, you can simply perform the activities individually. Otherwise, its just more injuries for similar gains.
The main thing with the CrossFit look is that the athletes have muscles in all the right areas, round Delts, developed upper back plus Abs gives a hell of a look 👀 That’s why when you see them in a T-shirt they look fit but when they go shirtless they looked jacked
Craig i hear what u are saying and i like your videos but, To be a PE teacher in Holland you have to get a bachelors degree that takes four years of studying. To open a crossfit box u do a weekend course (in Holland). There are a lot of crossfit box owners that have absolutely no idea when it comes to movement, bio mechanics, muscle groups, group processes, different styles of learning etc etc. They understand the crossfit methodology, but that is all. Getting better in whatever u do takes good teachers with a high degree knowledge and intrinsic motivation to learn more and better themselves. greetings JB
Does CrossFit’s programming still rely on the WOD/random exercises every day or are there programs that rely on progressive overload, with the WOD’s being the “game day” so to speak? Obviously you can build muscle doing CrossFit, look at CrossFit athletes (performance enhancement discussions aside, because it’s obviously part of the sport), but if hypertrophy is the only goal I don’t think CrossFit is the optimum way to do it. That said, the best program is one you enjoy and stick to, and if that’s CrossFit, then more power to you.
The WODs are stupid. Clearly you hit the nail on the head. You have to commit to progressive overload. Doing random workouts everyday will get you nowhere. Professional CrossFit athletes do not just do WODs if they do it at all. They use regular strength training and Olympic training regimes. Combinations of them depending on their weak points.
It depends on what you want For example my coach do a wod -twice a day- One in the morning, one at night. (He was a bodybuilder in the past) What he does is, at the morning a regular wod, at night a wod that is guided to an specific area. There’s wods for legs, wods for arms, core, back. And some other wods actually work all the body.
The idea is clear, getting bigger with crossfit is possible, but as you said it, it's not the main goal. It's a side effect. Showing pro athlete physique and tell that crossfit build muscle is a pretty wrong way to do it. Oftenly they were big before even started crossfit. The thing with this discipline, is that you go to the box, make the wod and go home. There is no personnal adaption. Coaches do the wod for everyone and it's never the same, so if you do it twice a week, even with proper diet you'll never get bigger. Or maybe in 5years. Everything is about your goal and strategy. Do you want to get fit or to get muscle mass ? why ? what's the most efficient way to get there ? If you want both then you got to take a personal crossfit coach. As if the discipline isn't expensive enough.. or just go for bodybuilding and then transition to crossfit when you get the fundation (can be done in 1 year with proper training). Specialy as a skinny dude, with metabolic exercices that are just going to make him eat more and throw more money away. But maybe he enjoys the process more than bodybuilding. There is always pros and cons, it's your responsability to make a choice. To summurise, it's possible to build muscle mass with crossfit, but not the easiest, cheapest, fastest and most efficient way. And if you want to perform and do the Rx you got to have a decent amount of muscle and strengh. But maybe it's not your goal and that's fine.
bullshit. most crossfitters aren't jacked for starters. and the few who are, started out in other sports like weightlifting, powerlifting etc. Lets be real about this
Jeff literally said his full body every day is only good for him because he's been training for so long... not these schmucks just starting to lift and doing cross fit That's y push/pull/legs is far more effective for beginners
Alot of the top level cross fitters were already top level competitive athletes in other disciples before they started crossfit. As for Tia toomey she got too, and won the Olympics from doing traditional weightlifting training with a weightlifting coach not directly from CrossFit though she did get introduced to it when she went from being a runner to CrossFit training.
I started crossfit in the end of last year and I've notice a heap of muscle growth and definition it has been a great experience and feeling great. crossfit gladstone
Been natty bodybuilding 35 years ..now my metabolism has slowed, in order to stay lean and increase conditioning muscle and strength i mix heavy 5x5 days with crossfit WOD days .. protein and calorie increase is a must to offset EPOC because muscle AND conditioning is what i want.. it works! Every type of training has its benefits like no other..Mix the best for your goals and go get it! BTW let's not get it twisted.. elite crossfit gamers are on PEDS or they wouldn't look so jacked.. so for the natty.. train hard and smart and eat good!
Gym bros split = apples. Crossfit = oranges. Both methodologies work but they do not have the same object. If you wanted hypertrophy then maybe that 6th set of hspu was a waste, but if you want to increase your overall fitness then it certainly wasn’t.
The elephant in the room is that the top crossfit competitors don't just do the daily WOD and go home, they have a whole program outside of doing WODs that most people who do crossfit will never touch. Don't also forget the PEDs
As someone who lives a bodybuilding lifestyle (but not someone who subscribes to a bro-split), I really appreciate your perspective on this. Crossfit can be very effective for improving someone's physique, but as you said, Crossfit is a sport, so the main goal isn't aesthetics but rather performance across a variety of athletics. As such, there may be other forms of exercise/lifting that are more conducive for hypertrophy and ultimately physique improvement.
Have to admit the Science behind it dude reminded me of Cartman with his voice lol... Craig since I started in August I’m all ready stronger than any time previously in over a decade of fitness!! Man even my running times are getting shredded too and I’m no slouch at running... Looking to get gains as I increase my food intake for next yrs comps and get a good base built... CrossFit is more than just fitness - it’s my family 🐺
I've heard GOBs of responses about the randomness of Crossfit workouts as a coach. They are NOT random at all. The randomness comes from usually someone inability not to see the focus of the workout. TeamRichey pointed out what body parts he hits during the workouts and that's true. Coaches program just like any other coach or athlete with a specific goal in mind for a prescribed set of weeks. This is STANDARD in crossfit. Period. Yes, there are random exercises to layman eye, however, they is a targeted approach by using random exercises to elicit muscle response every time you participate in a workout (WOD). Aesthetically, a bodybuilder LOOKS better but we are focused on performance. One rep on barbell doesn't make you a great athlete. you still need to jump, run, lift, climb, and be faced with the uncertainty of an obstacle before you can test performance. Challenge a decent crossfitter to run, gymnastics, lift, and you will see where your fitness counts in the real world. They may not win against a collegiate runner but they wont loose to a bodybuilder. on the other hand, they wont beat a bodybuilder in looks but they will beat the world class marathoner in aesthetics. You can not be everything in one sport, however, we are looking to close the gap between every sport and have less gaps than most athletes.
I love body building/power lifting or in a more simple way to put it, I like to lift barbells and dumbells in all sorts of different ways lol. But I also run around 5 miles spread out in a week and jump rope for 15 mins straight around 5 times a week to keep my cardio up. I feel like crossfit is calling my name I just don't know where to go to start
Bodybuilding is mostly on the strength. Crossfit training enhances all components...strengrh, speed, stamina, agility, and even flexibility. And most of its training drill doesn't just focus on one/two muscle groups, but a total body workouts, from upper to lower body.
Cross fit seems like a good way to get all the things everyone wants. Conditioning, muscle, and strength. Albeit not at optimum levels because it's not specific to any of those goals. To me, that is good enough to get an all around fitness but maybe not be the best in any one category
There is always a trade off and if you just want muscle bulk then you train like a bodybuilder, if your main goal is strength then train like a power lifter, etc. the top CrossFit guys aren’t even as muscular as amateur level bodybuilders, or even the classic physique guys. Don’t believe me just look it up. Cross training has been around as a training method for almost 100 years, yes really. CrossFit is a brand and sport that has borrowed from all the training disciplines of the past, if CrossFit was superior in building muscle mass then I promise you bodybuilders would have started trying that way decades ago.
Except, bodybuilding well thought full body routine and its progressive overload and combination of exercises day after day are totally not the same as doing crossfit. Pushups + bikes + pullups and rope climbing random session has nothing to do with full body progression. Yes they do all the basic core movements in crossfit but the randomness and cardio so mixed in between major lift rest periods is not even close as optimal. Yes crossfit athletes are in best overall condition , but to say full body routine like jeff's is your base of judgement that u can progress in body shaping the same way with cross fit is complete wrong interpretation. Also u dont need to mock bodybuilding and splits , dont forget where u come from. Not to mention noone serious in bb is doing just chest ...there are push oull legs routines also stuff like chest back and traps same day, full legs and shoulders on another and full arms with cardio conditioning .. noone does chest and chest and chest, what are u trained in the 60's....! Just cause u switched does not mean u can mock ... when u havent been in top spot in either of the sports! Now ... i also want to say that Obi is also modified his crossfit so its bot that random and he is like a bodybuilder who just sky rocket his cardio . Interpretations bias as much as i like u ..
20 years of training , think about it 99% of us who train in the gym are not bodybuilders 0:31 but we all train like one ! Why ! What is the use of flu machine ? Bench press mat pull down and if i try to move house furniture I’ll gas out in minutes not even ! Cross fit is for things u use in life think about it
5:11 if you're going to reference studies, then please cite sources in the description. With that said, can you please provide the source of this study?
05:50 "Yes we don't specifically train for hypertrophy" Well that settles it then. It's like everyone says, it depends on what your workout goals are, and my goal is hypertrophy, so a regimen where hypertrophy is just "a byproduct", then it's not for me. In recent scientific papers it has also come out, that slow controlled eccentrics with deep stretches are key to hypertrophy. It seems like this starkly contrasts with the CrossFit approach. But that shouldn't trouble anyone whose explicit goal isn't hypertrophy 🤷♂
Too bad CrossFitters tend to incur tons of injuries, especially in the spine 😐. Plus all those pics are taken during training so they’re pumped... Also if you get lean enough and have a pump you’ll look AMAZING. Just do what you love and be careful.
Problem is everyone is right, and too much mass confusion , But I'm into shocking the muscles and I have home exercise bike , I think some people over train
CrossFit training will make you good at CrossFit. Which includes muscle hypertrophy, but it’s not the same as training for body building, which trains specifically for hypertrophy (at the cost of other things like conditioning or maximum strength). It just depends on your goals.
Saying that the workouts sessions implies some muscle, is not the same that saying that that muscle is going to grow. For example: a marathon runner hasn´t big quads. Crossfit produces lots of quantities of cortisol per session, so that session is not going to be efficient to produce protein sintesis. Crossfit training is good to get better as a crossfit athlete, and nothing else. To build muscle IN AN OPTIMAL WAY, you must practice bodybuilding. I recomend you to read about a little about hypertrophy physiology. Greetings!
Yeah so a short term buildup of cortisol pretty much doesnt matter, if u look at the increses of hormones and metabolic waste that occurs from training we see that cortisol is very linked to muscle protein synthesis. Cortisol is catabolic so im not saying u grow muscle from the cortisol buildup but cortisol buildup is not whats stoping crossfiters. Other than that i agree with you that crossfit is not at all optimal for muscle growth
I’m absolutely not arguing or debating the fact that cross fitters could absolutely annihilate me fitness wise. Run circles around me all day for sure. But for real… my only problem with CF is the pull-ups lol 😂 I just can’t. If they called them swing ups or kip ups … but they just aren’t pull-ups lol
Darth Terminatti it’s also “taboo” in every professional sport but that’s only the surface for people like you who have never been apart of a professional team or around professional athletes. Sorry mate but they are lying to you. Not one and I mean it not one of them is completely clean.
How many people fail the CROSSFIT LEVEL 1 CERTIFICATE COURSE? I have taken professional certifications mostly IT and if the failure rate is nominal then these "coaches" don't know shit. Things that really test you have a decent failure rate. This is the same reason a certified "trainer" from a big box gym is utterly useless.
CrossFit is a great workout and is great at burning fat and building overall fitness. But it's not for everyone. There are still alot of coaches and UA-cam personalities that don't teach or train correctly. I've tried CrossFit for about 6 months and did notice a change that I loved. However I also noticed more shoulder and back injuries (have had to repair my labrum twice). I've found that doing traditional bodybuilding split has worked better for me. I still love watching CrossFit and seeing what people accomplish with it. Just don't believe that CrossFit or any other type of exercise is better than any other. All depends on the person training.
You will also see that PEDs is rife throughout the community just like many other sports. Pretending otherwise is just delusional and it's sad that crossfit perpetrates this lie on people who haven't got a background in professional sports. You don't develop shredded bulk, whilst maintaining high levels of cardio endurance. The volume being trained as well is ludicrous without some recovery assistance.
5:22 your text specifically says "quadriceps" in terms of significant muscle mass increase. Yet you conveniently leave that out when you make the statement and just say general "muscle mass". So which one is it?? Details are important man. I don't think you're being deceitful on purpose (at least I hope you're not) but please pay more attention to these details as these are massive differences that you're just skimming over like it's nothing.
As a former bro gym guy who has transitioned into a crossfit style training. I very rarely feel as sore as I did back in my typical split training. I definitely feel way stronger than I did back in the day. I do through in some typical bodybuilder exercises before hitting my EMOMS, or AMRAPS or FORTIME workouts and try to focus on the mind muscle connection
@@EarlOSandwich They may want to also try increases their caloric intake or change the sources of those calories. Or, something that I accidently found that works, is to take a break from it for a little while. Not too long, maybe a month or 2. Then, get back into it. Your muscle shouldn't get too much smaller but you may lose the strength. But, that's good cause it'll be like getting a small reset back to your "beginner progress", but from a much better starting point.
@Truth Seeker getting too big dude is not worth it unless you go pro, so I think it’s better for you to transition to crossfit, it makes you overall fit, Bigger doesnt mean better in fitness.
Jeff is wrong about the 12 hour protein synthesis window. The stronger you get at a set body the more recovery is needed not less......Fullbody Circuit training every other day is best in my opinion.
Greg Doucette should stop all this nonsense from both you and Jeff N. Train hard with dedication and use your brain people - that's how you get results! I've done Crossfit, I'm doing bodybuilding now. Personally, I've seen much better results with bodybuilding, but yeah, crossfit is fun and can be a grea training, but the community is brainwashed and I was sick of that.
There are so many issues with Crossfit. But that's another topic. I do agree that bodybuilding is dying and it's about time. Bodybuilders bitch about Crossfitters can't do an exercise the right way, meanwhile they themselves can't even do a squat or bench correctly. It's hilarious. Half repping shit talking about how they are putting constant tension on the muscle. Well we know that pull reps are superior to partial reps. This is well known, except if you happen to be a bodybuilder 😂 Nippard is clueless about actual science though. He has proved several times now that he doesn't even know how to read a study. Like when he said the bench press was proved by EMG to be the best exercise for the pecs. Well is it? No it's not. Which is really easy to debunk if you actually READ the studies. Which Nippard can't 😂
That title makes fitness too simplistic. It's a disgrace. I can do powerlifting or strongman or olympic lifting or bodybuilding and build muscle. all athletes doing the aforementioned have some developed muscle obviously.
Beef cake and shredded are not synonyms, probably closer to antonyms. If you have one hour a day to workout and your goal is to build muscle and look like a beef cake, then your muscle group bodybuilding is the way to go. That will give you the big chest, arms, shoulders, etc. My bench press and squat went down when I started crossfit. However, my body fat percentage also went down. The average guy at an LA fitness is stronger than the average guy at your crossfit gym. I would argue though that your average crossfit member is more shredded and probably more healthier. There is my two cents.
This is incredibly disingenuous. You can't possibly claim that cycling is a leg exercise that's going to elicit hypertrophy as Jeff was talking about. There's no eccentric portion to the "lift", plus the conflicting endurance stimulus you get from cycling stops your argument in its tracks. You want to promote CrossFit, good for you, but this is really, really poor.
All this talk about gains and you trying to somehow showcase that crossfit is good for "gains"...you really shouldn't be doing this man. If I had a channel, I would specifically aim at an intelligent audience. I mean, it should be obvious to any moderately intelligent person that crossfit training (progressing linearly of course) will build a great looking body and of course will make your muscles grow a lot more than the average person, duh! Isn't this what 99% of the people would like? Not to mention you will be able to actually use your body! Who wants to look like a swollen caricature (apart from bodybuilders and other people who haven't got over the fact they were bullied at school), with a body who is more of a hindrance to your life than an advantage?
Crossfit is impossible to control (and you barely ever repeat a workout which is key to hypertrophy), ie progressively overload. Bodybuilding is more efficient to build muscle and anyone can build muscle you dont have to be an elite athlete or athletic at all for that matter. That being said crossfit is way more fun and social , bodybuilding is for nerds. Crossfitters might also be nazi's in some places and not like you unless you have competitive times and lifts and look a certian way, which can be detrimental to the sport. and most crossfitters strictly bodybuild at least three days a week for aesthetics
Crossfit is clearly lacking in a key area. There are nowhere near enough shouts of "Lightweight!", "Yeah buddy" or "Nothing but a peanut".
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I read these phrases in Ronnies voice 🤣
@@TeamRICHEY We all know Castro is a big ronnie fan. I bet castro shouts those out all the time in his barn doing 1000 muscle ups.
@@thefraseman plenty of steroids in crossfit something which is failed to be mentioned about
Me and a girl power lifter at my CF box yell these such statements from Ronnie pretty much every class! 🤣 Light weight BABAY!!
I tend to use “That was supa heavy” a lot
Great catch Craig. As an exercise science major it’s easy for me to understand these comparisons but I think you make it easy for the average listener to understand as well. Keep up the good work my guy!
Love the videos Craig. I’m new to CrossFit and find myself on your channel daily. 👍
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, but to me it seemed as you were not bashing on anyone really or any other respective sport. You were just showing that with things done properly, CrossFit could be an OPTION for you. To me, it was one of those, well here is another option you can try, if you're not getting the results you want. Your vids are great, they are always showing a family style environment. Wish you and the family and the team a great 2020. Going to try and get back in shape this year, need that CrossFit to help me complete my first Spartan Race trifecta.
The key is to find something you'll do consistently. Something you enjoy whatever that may be - CrossFit, Body building, powerlifting, Running, etc
As much as I love your videos, the more I watch the less I want to do CrossFit. The gym is the only alone time I get to be honest which I cherish. So Push, Pull, Legs with HIT cardio thrown in for me.
Also CrossFit looks too much like hard work ;-)
Haha that’s fair! I said it’s not for everyone and if you have it as your time! Dude all the better for you 😁 haha hard work.... nah 🙄🤣
Hundred percent agree that its just about finding what works for you and what you enjoy! Cos at the end of the day, that is what is going to motivate you to keep going and to actually enjoy the workout. For some it's bodybuilding, for others it's calisthenics and others crossfit. Find what you enjoy and motivates you and you're bound to make progress! 👍
I like crossfit, i do full body exercise everytime i workout, but i can't afford to pay $200-$300 a month to go to a crossfit gym. i love your content, but i cant actually afford to be a crossfitter.
Wow. I pay £60 / $80 in the UK. That is expensive.
I pay $60/mo for CF.
@@lashawnwilliams1094 Is that for multiple times a week? i think i was offered $80/moth if i only go like 1-2 times a week. Maybe its an LA thing, i only checked out 1 crossfit gym close to me.
Crossfit is definitely helpful for building muscle but definitely not the most optimal method. But like you said it is better than classic hypertrophy bodybuilding for building more rounded overall fitness (gymnastics, powerlifting, conditioning, etc). All depends on what your goal is!!
Yep! 😁
It all about protein synthesis and "crossfit" has a good cycle for this to be optimal.
Saying that it does have a high percentage for injury because its about speed and weight (a physio friend worked right next to a crossfit and they were very busy for that reason).
Just train intelligently with compound movements, body weight and cortisol control time limits and recovery.
@@AntiTrollable yeah, I think some people go to crossfit and try to hit weights that are too heavy, not keeping in mind that they are going to be doing high rep exercises and they end up getting injured as you say. And as for size, I completely agree, you probably won't get jacked like a bodybuilder but I think as long as you eat enough ( healthy) calories to have that caloric surplus in spite of the high amount of cardio you can still gain sufficient size whilst staying lean!
deeshmond yeah i agree. I think its all about what you want out of your training and what you like. Some people want to do strength training and only that. Others want to do conditioning. Etc..
Indeed depends on your goal.
Something that I have gained with crossfit is not only physical gains but my mental strength has also increased. Pushing through crossfit workouts when things get uncomfortable has benefited my mental health and has boosted my confidence more than I ever had with just weightlifting in a typical gym. However I do enjoy a good bro session in a gym and I use that time to measure how much stronger I'm getting every month.
Same with me; I noticed I obtained a change in mentality after participating in Crossfit
The hardest part about building muscle is having a great diet. That was my main problem until I found the Agoge Diet plan. Now I'm gaining more muscle than ever
Crossfit keeps me engaged, on my toes. The community is just awesome. Body composition become a side effect, a by product. As long as form is good, crossfit is safe.
Yesssss bro! 😁
True but thats kinda like saying Nascar is safe is you just don't hit anyone or get hit. Like with the high tempo and complexity of the movements, crossfit comes out to be just as prone to injury as rugby. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. But there is no denying that the chances of getting injured are rediculous when compared to other muscle building fields like powerlifting or bodybuilding. And yes while if you do crossfit correct that statistic lowers. It's not about the 1%of people who do it right. It's about the 99% of people who think breaking a sweat means they're working out. And if you get severely injured, it doesn't matter what you have done cause you'll be out for a while. Now to reiterate, I'm not saying you should not practice crossfit. But saying it's safe is just a plain lie
@@ionixm3496 I completely agree with you, but I think that there are some people that are ego lifters and tend to try and do workouts with weights that are too heavy, thus causing injuries. Don't you think?
Though of of course there is the fact that the workouts are high volume with weight, meaning that injury is somewhat inevitable.
Key phrase there is “when good form is used”. Finding good form in a CrossFit gym is like finding a unicorn. All I see is jerking, swinging and momentum reps.
Key phrase there is “when good form is used”. Finding good form in a CrossFit gym is like finding a unicorn. All I see is jerking, swinging and momentum reps.
I've worked out at regular gyms for over 10 years, dieting, being supported by nutritionists and personal trainers, as well as being very careful on how to split my workouts, whilst researching for more effective ways of building muscle and trying different methodologies from the so-called experts over the years. I've switched to CrossFit, and after 1 year I was bigger, leaner and my blood test results were overall much better. So no matter what experts might say, there's NOTHING in this world that will ever convince me to go back to a regular gym, period.
Is this real?
@@tombeans2204definitely could be, especially if all you do before Crossfit is bodybuilding. The health benefits of bodybuilding are close to none, whereas crossfit provides incredible conditioning and cardiovascular health, and I find CF workouts to be much more challenging, motivating and enjoyable than just plain weightlifting workouts
Absolutely true!
Jeff Nippard is a bit of a legend, and one of the few bodybuilders worth listening to
obviouslyrudy Do you have proof? And what does his height have to do with anything?
@@lesliegee42069 uhm basis?
@@lesliegee42069 it is tough to ever know for sure who is natural, but he has competed in natural organizations his whole life (powerlifting and bodybuilding) and has been randomly tested multiple times. Plus, his physique isn't naturally unattainable, so why assume he isn't natural when most signs point to him being natural? I think all kinds of athletes can learn a lot from Jeff, regardless of if they are into CrossFit, bodybuilding, powerlifting, etc. Of the youtubers, he should be one of the last ones someone should be throwing shade at.
Greg Doucet did a nice video on Nippard check it out
People who are so quick to point the finger and cry "steroid user" are often defeatist losers that don't understand the power of good habits performed consistently over time.
I think the issue is that so many crossfitters are average people who just go for an hour like 3 times a week. So sure, they don't look shredded. But they are getting more fit. That's why I love crossfit. People just flexing in mirrors is cringe to me, lifting big numbers isn't a metric of manhood, but improving daily and being able to do actual cool stuff in the real world is amazing. Body building doesn't help you kayak, hike, snowboard, etc...crossfit does because you can modify it to meet your sport
I have a few problems with your video. Firstly, Jeffs video is based on a study that was never publicly released, so it's not peer-reviewed and has yet to be repeated. Jeff is pretty upfront about this in his video but you never even mention it, you instead make blanket statements like "Full body training as a natural athlete, training 5 to 6 times a week SCIENTIFICALLY has shown to increase gains" and "I'm just saying what the science says". This is misleading.
Secondly, you keep mentioning bro-splits even though it's relatively uncommon to find anyone doing these anymore, particularly if they are natty. Upper lower, and push pull legs are by far the most common protocols. There is a general scientific consensus that training a muscle 2 to 3 times a week is optimal for muscle growth and recovery. You're treating bro-splits like a strawman which misleading again.
Thirdly, you opened your video showing a bunch of athletes who have top tier genetics and who are on gear. These individuals would look just as jacked if they were competitive sprinters or rowers and it's unrealistic to say an average natty person can look like this from doing crossfit (or any sport). I say they are on gear because of all the Crossfit games competitors who have failed drug tests, and given how easy it is to cheat a drug test I'd wager most if not all of them are using.
Great video dude
I just think it’s great overall fitness if done correctly and a good program
Agreed
Not into CrossFit or bodybuilding but I agree I’ve seen more upside and better movement in my everyday life from doing a full body workout 5x a week.
@@JuanChavez-vz9my I used to do full body workouts and home and I completely agree with you! Though now I have started crossfit and I have to say I really love it. And as they say above I have to agree that Its really great for all round or functional fitness.
I watched, taking everything seriously, untill the part where you do "muscle ups" in the gymnastic rings
That was an off moment for me and thats why i will never like crossfit.
I used to think that too, but then I realised that gymnasts do that all the time and they are not only ripped but seem to generally be injury free if they have a good coach etc.
@@jamesanderson6130 It might be good for u, but it looks stupid enough for me to disregard that.
@@shortzor I mean if looking dumb is your qualifier for wether or not you want to do an exercise than I think you have a bigger issue than the ring muscle ups
@@jamesanderson6130 I mean how can I take this seriously? I'm trying but I keep seeing those muscle ups.
I hurt my shoulder while making fun of CrossFit pull-ups
Yeah, kipping/butterfly pullups are easy to injure, you need to actively keep your shoulders engaged rather than just hang, and you need to get the kip form correct - kipping and butterfly pullups are not intended to build muscular strength, but rather muscular endurance. CrossFit does include strict pullups when focusing on strength.
those are useless pullups, do them strictly
The only way I would agree with you topic is if CrossFit was more structured (less random WOD's). I agree that it is effective, but for bodybuilders the programming would need to be far more specific> Plus, all of the top guys are cycling on steroids...don't bother to deny it, they are. The level of vascularity points directly to gear. If you want to make a point, try finding someone who is drug free, and has before and after pictures. Also, just doing the daily WOD isn't enough to build those kinds of physiques. Like bodybuilders you need to be doing two sessions a day at least.
I’ve been training for 10 years now and lately I find crossfit extremely interesting, however I find it way to expensive (at least in Belgium). I pay 400 euros a year for all in fitness (drinks,sauna,fitness, etc...) and crossfit is 1300 euros for just crossfit.. If it was less expensive I’d do it for sure.
You can't put a price on your health and fitness. It's an investment and not an expense.
@@jarrydf Except you can be just as healthy and fit without paying this much. It's just ridiculous how expensive crossfit is, and that's all because of marketing.
Agree, even in Dubai a Crossfit gym is 3 times more expensive than a normal gym
Crossfit has become so popular that most gyms have some kind of crosstraining (generic name before crossfit organized and marketed it) classes with a trainer.
I'd say try to find one of those and do the classes however many times a week fit into your budget. Then, just use the rest of the gym the rest of the week.
@@MyZ001 I've started crossfit in august this year despite of it being so expensive. I enjoy it alot so it's actually worth the money.. 😁 I guess... however it would be nice if they dropped the price in time.. 😶
You can make gains on a regular crossfit program if you are a newbie. After that, you need programming, which is exactly what pro Crossfit athletes do, but it's not what the commercial, average Joe, Crossfit experience is like.
If you go to the box, do your technique and then the WoD, like 99% of Crossfit trainees do, you'll make some decent gains for the first 6 months and then almost completely stall after that.
It would be interesting to track the progress of average crossfit enthusiasts that do just WoDs (i.e. the standard Crossfit protocol) and see how much they improve after their first year of working out. I'm pretty sure the answer is: close to zero
You lost me at 2:25, those were pro CrossFit athletes, I was watching Rich Froning and a few others vids and the pros do multiple sessions a day and have dedicated strength sessions with accessory work which gives them that pump. Now, I’ve seen normal gym goers do 1hr sessions 5 days a week, have bodies like pro crossfit guys, note I’m not talking about fitness. At 90min sessions which have a 30min cardio component I sit at sub 10% body fat. My point is that bodybuilding is optimized for just that and CrossFit requires more work to look like a bodybuilder and be good at CrossFit. Now, add in drugs and the difference is even more pronounced, there was an Australian Crossfit athlete booted from the games for testing positive and his body looked like a lower level pro bodybuilder.
These vids have been great, would love a vid like this on nutrition.
as long as you progressively overload and eat in a caloric surplus you'll build muscle while doing crossfit no problem.
I've noticed since I've incorporated more Crossfit workouts into my week I feel overall better as an athlete. I'm stronger and my endurance for running and on the bike has improved dramatically.
Having switched from bodybuilding style of training to CrossFit I‘ve seen some parts of my physique develop better and some not so much. Doing CrossFit twice a week does not yield as much return on muscle growth as a twice a week double progression bodybuilding style training because of the randomness of CrossFit. However, I‘ve almost never in my life had such a solid level of conditioning. I believe this is the main drawback of CrossFit: you need to do it at least 3x per week to see quick and dramatic changes. Even then due to random sampling of sessions and no clear progression/periodisation and fatigue management you will not be able to grow as much muscle and strength as with a focused programme. Since CrossFit by definition aims to achieve multiple goals at the same time not excelling at any one of these, I believe it’s a fair trade.
You said it perfect! It is interesting to see that the "CrossFit vs. bodybuilding" debate is still a thing, although it is even resting on a false premise of the two being (or needed to be) comparable. People sometimes don't even have a clear definition of bodybuilding. I never did real bodybuilding, when I started to hit the gym 8 years ago, I had no clue what to do, and (fortunately) started with functional training: kettlebells and "crosstraining" (which was a sort of crossfit training without the official label). I got hooked ever since, and I love all sorts of functional training. Although since the beginning I started to read up on bodybuilding, split training, and strict programs, and I always do involve some of these. I am so happy that many people start to realize that bodybuilding is evolving, as well as CrossFit does, and ultimately all these are ways to strengthen and to better ourselves.
This video is great on explaining what CrossFit is for, and how you can use it for your benefits. Also, Obi Vincent has a great channel on this topic (he's coming from the bodybuilding world, transitioned to CrossFit and made a great synthesis of the two - what he calls CrossLifting).
Good summary
I agree and disagree. Lol if you do it enough, you will get enough progressive overload over time to gain and maintain.
Well crossfit is where you train to perform, not like bodybuilding you just look good and cant even run straight for 1 hour.
I totally agree, I was a bodybuilder and I changed to CrossFit, so the result was my legs got bigger and stronger and my upper body was very weak and I lost muscles at the end. I do not know why CrossFit people do not mention muscles lost.
I’ve come to the conclusion (from my experience) that for the majority of fitness enthusiasts who just want to look good doing CrossFit with a few accessory bodybuilding movements is best and easiest way to build a well rounded physique
Couldn’t agree more
All those Crossfitters take PEDs. You can train like a CrossFitter while on gear and looked jacked. But for the average Joe, CrossFit sucks for getting big and strong.
You're just a crossfit groupie with no real understanding of strength training. Keep to what you know and leave the real gains to those who lift heavy. I did crossfit religiously for 7 years and ended up with chicken legs, small shoulders, no biceps, a 6pack and 8% body fat. I finally started to get some muscle after I found out about crossfit strength bias, Dave Tate, and Louie Simmons. So I implemented the conjugate method into my crossfit training. Even then, it was a bastardized strength program. Most muscular crossfitters came from a bodybuilding, powerlifting, or other strength background so they just have to maintain mass while working on their conditioning. no offence.
I’d love to do CrossFit instead but it’s way more expensive than a gym membership so it’s just not an option for me. So I get your point but it doesn’t take everything into account.
Same here in my country 🇮🇩
So I was bodybuilding for 5 years and recently switched to crossfit with a mix of cheeky bodybuilding every now and then 6 months ago. My physique has never been better! I look as lean as I was when I was like 4 weeks out from stepping on stage and I am 7kg's heavier with far bigger traps and shoulders which make me look even bigger. BUT Aside from that I am mentally so much more stable and happy with my physique because it is not an obsessive focus but rather a biproduct of training for performance.
Riley & Mik Riley & Mik sounds like you weren’t “bodybuilding” correctly.
@@conorjohnmcnulty127 sounds like you aren't "crossfitting" correctly
Riley & Mik I don’t do CrossFit.
I’m only pointing out what you pointed out in your post. No need to be upset with me. Many people get into bodybuilding for the wrong reasons and don’t train properly for it then quit like you did.
I wish you the best in your fitness journey!
@@conorjohnmcnulty127 exactly clearly was not doing bodybuilding correct was probably just shoveling in tons of food with little to no cardio and then wondering why his physique isn't lean or impressive bodybuilding will be forever and a day better than Cross fit and I have nothing against cross fit
Sitting here 6mo pregnant, never done CrossFit a day in my life (I do OrangeTheory, make fun of me I don’t mind lol) but totally loving this video and the team. Ya’ll are always so positive and fun and make Crossfit seem totally approachable for anyone. Go team.
Jessica Smith as long as you are staying healthy and enjoying it, that’s good! But you should try CF sometime - it totally is doable by anyone and is a great community :)
Jessica Smith shoot I’ve done CrossFit for about 10 years and recently did a Orange Theory workout and it was no joke! Best of luck to you!
Hi Jessica! Occasionally my friends and I take knocks at OrangeTheory, but realistically I do applaud that their short-class, cardio-monitored methodology has relatively high retention rates. The more people who are including activity as a staple in their weekly or daily regimen, in a growing society that is largely sedentary, is better for overall health. If you enjoy the culture of the OT classes, than I'm sure that you'll enjoy CF classes; I've been to both and feel that OT culture is like a small microcosm of what a larger CF community is. If I could participate in CF more regularly, I definitely would, but business hours and rates are just a bit out of my reach, I make do at commercial gyms :)
At the end of the day, crossfit won't save you from a fighter. What's your butter cup pull ups going to do when you get a punch or kick to the head.
Do crossfit?! That's like telling me to hit the head of my 🥩 with a hammer... Bullshit😮
Hey Craig - as an older dude in your audience - I'd love for you to include your dad more in your videos - especially to provide either confirmation or push-back for some of your advice - especially in this context! Thanks for including him when you can!
Okay!😁
Me too. I love watching people my age crossfitting. Let’s show Glassmann that masters do matter and do inspire.
@@andreadevine8268 the reason you don't see them is because they have all been injured :(
I would like this as well. At 51, I do WODs three days a week and lift twice a week. 5 total days but more able to show up ready for the WODs by skipping a day between WODs. I wonder what you dad's split is.
@TeamRICHEY You should do a “Full Day Of Training” video with Jeff Nippard! I think it would be so cool to see a meeting of the minds like that since there is this weird disconnect between body building and CrossFit.
Last year, before starting CrossFit, I was 62kg. Now after a year of training (and eating extremely well) I'm 73kg.
Please can you explain you nutrtition ?
I am 59kg and want to get to 70.
Craig, any chance of making a movement series, just to breakdown the basic's HSPU, Kipping, Rope Climbs ect. I know you have touched on them before but a full series would be great. Training alone I'm struggling to progress in lots of areas.
You really didn't add anything to the arguments of why someone should do cross fit vs literally anything else.
Crossfit is a offshoot of strength conditioning did you forget that that ever even existed? Crossfit isn't good for absolute strength or size or power or speed.
The idea of crossfit is a commercialization of the strength conditioning concept.
There's nothing novel about CF. There are no top level professioal athletes who use CrossFit and it's prescribed workouts as a way to supplement or even regiment into or as a part of training.
The athlete who won the Commonwealth didn't win by doing CrossFit work outs she wo by having carefully programmed training by Professionals.
Oh also she's a freaking gymnast from a young age. Seems like she's would kick ass at moving no matter what you label it...
There’s no one guaranteed best way to develop a great physique. People are different, and therefore different styles of training and diet must be used for people of various genetic backgrounds to achieve overall fitness. Saying CrossFit or bodybuilding is better than the other is silly. Both can be ideal or non ideal depending on who you are.
Unbeleivable. A wise comment on youtube???
You are absolutely right.
Not considering injury rates, sure. But after that study by the Orthopaedic Journal of Sports Medicine, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6505252, there really is no scientific reason to do crossfit. If you enjoy that environment, you can simply perform the activities individually. Otherwise, its just more injuries for similar gains.
@@alexarnold3251 didn't they get sued!? For that study!
No one
Absolutely nobody
Craig: Jeff NippAARRD
🤣🙋🏻♂️ that would be me
Same as Eddie Izzaarrd. I reckon you'll find it more common across the Atlantic.
dont forget to use ped´s like the pro crossfitters
Sucks for the guy on the left on the thumbnail...
I had a brother who started CrossFit. Now I have a sister.
That's your genetics 😂
Lmao good one
If the title of the video was true Cbum would be doing crossfire now :))
The main thing with the CrossFit look is that the athletes have muscles in all the right areas, round Delts, developed upper back plus Abs gives a hell of a look 👀
That’s why when you see them in a T-shirt they look fit but when they go shirtless they looked jacked
Craig i hear what u are saying and i like your videos but,
To be a PE teacher in Holland you have to get a bachelors degree that takes four years of studying. To open a crossfit box u do a weekend course (in Holland).
There are a lot of crossfit box owners that have absolutely no idea when it comes to movement, bio mechanics, muscle groups, group processes, different styles of learning etc etc. They understand the crossfit methodology, but that is all.
Getting better in whatever u do takes good teachers with a high degree knowledge and intrinsic motivation to learn more and better themselves.
greetings JB
100% agree with you!
Best thing to ever happen to chiropractors & physiotherapists...
CrossFit.
Does CrossFit’s programming still rely on the WOD/random exercises every day or are there programs that rely on progressive overload, with the WOD’s being the “game day” so to speak? Obviously you can build muscle doing CrossFit, look at CrossFit athletes (performance enhancement discussions aside, because it’s obviously part of the sport), but if hypertrophy is the only goal I don’t think CrossFit is the optimum way to do it.
That said, the best program is one you enjoy and stick to, and if that’s CrossFit, then more power to you.
The WODs are stupid. Clearly you hit the nail on the head. You have to commit to progressive overload. Doing random workouts everyday will get you nowhere. Professional CrossFit athletes do not just do WODs if they do it at all. They use regular strength training and Olympic training regimes. Combinations of them depending on their weak points.
It depends on what you want
For example my coach do a wod -twice a day-
One in the morning, one at night.
(He was a bodybuilder in the past)
What he does is, at the morning a regular wod, at night a wod that is guided to an specific area.
There’s wods for legs, wods for arms, core, back. And some other wods actually work all the body.
You will progressively overload in time. But if you look at pro CrossFit athletes, they do Olympic and strength sessions aside from regular wods.
How do you know if someone does Crossfit?
Don't worry they'll usually tell you within the first 5 minutes of your conversation.
A J Hi , I do CrossFit :)
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The idea is clear, getting bigger with crossfit is possible, but as you said it, it's not the main goal. It's a side effect.
Showing pro athlete physique and tell that crossfit build muscle is a pretty wrong way to do it. Oftenly they were big before even started crossfit. The thing with this discipline, is that you go to the box, make the wod and go home. There is no personnal adaption. Coaches do the wod for everyone and it's never the same, so if you do it twice a week, even with proper diet you'll never get bigger. Or maybe in 5years.
Everything is about your goal and strategy. Do you want to get fit or to get muscle mass ? why ? what's the most efficient way to get there ?
If you want both then you got to take a personal crossfit coach. As if the discipline isn't expensive enough.. or just go for bodybuilding and then transition to crossfit when you get the fundation (can be done in 1 year with proper training). Specialy as a skinny dude, with metabolic exercices that are just going to make him eat more and throw more money away. But maybe he enjoys the process more than bodybuilding.
There is always pros and cons, it's your responsability to make a choice.
To summurise, it's possible to build muscle mass with crossfit, but not the easiest, cheapest, fastest and most efficient way. And if you want to perform and do the Rx you got to have a decent amount of muscle and strengh. But maybe it's not your goal and that's fine.
You forgot that with Crossfit you look jacked all time of the year. :D
There ist no such thing as extreme bulk/diet.
bullshit. most crossfitters aren't jacked for starters. and the few who are, started out in other sports like weightlifting, powerlifting etc. Lets be real about this
Ooops! Forgot to say the top CrossFit Games athletes take performance enhancing drugs!
Dylan Mehsling ooops think he forgot something 😳😳😳
And top bodybuilders aren’t? whoops
the ol creator of crossfit who doesn even do wods acknowledges this to building better muscle
This didnt age well lmao
But the thing is, why do cross fit when you can do calithenics and gymnastics.
Because cross fit takes all those disciplines plus more
Jeff literally said his full body every day is only good for him because he's been training for so long... not these schmucks just starting to lift and doing cross fit
That's y push/pull/legs is far more effective for beginners
Jeff is also SELLING his full body training program to EVERYONE who will buy it
Alot of the top level cross fitters were already top level competitive athletes in other disciples before they started crossfit.
As for Tia toomey she got too, and won the Olympics from doing traditional weightlifting training with a weightlifting coach not directly from CrossFit though she did get introduced to it when she went from being a runner to CrossFit training.
I started crossfit in the end of last year and I've notice a heap of muscle growth and definition it has been a great experience and feeling great. crossfit gladstone
Been natty bodybuilding 35 years ..now my metabolism has slowed, in order to stay lean and increase conditioning muscle and strength i mix heavy 5x5 days with crossfit WOD days .. protein and calorie increase is a must to offset EPOC because muscle AND conditioning is what i want.. it works! Every type of training has its benefits like no other..Mix the best for your goals and go get it! BTW let's not get it twisted.. elite crossfit gamers are on PEDS or they wouldn't look so jacked.. so for the natty.. train hard and smart and eat good!
Gym bros split = apples. Crossfit = oranges. Both methodologies work but they do not have the same object. If you wanted hypertrophy then maybe that 6th set of hspu was a waste, but if you want to increase your overall fitness then it certainly wasn’t.
The elephant in the room is that the top crossfit competitors don't just do the daily WOD and go home, they have a whole program outside of doing WODs that most people who do crossfit will never touch. Don't also forget the PEDs
Add gear to that and here is why cross fit females and males look the way they do and please don’t even deny it
As someone who lives a bodybuilding lifestyle (but not someone who subscribes to a bro-split), I really appreciate your perspective on this. Crossfit can be very effective for improving someone's physique, but as you said, Crossfit is a sport, so the main goal isn't aesthetics but rather performance across a variety of athletics. As such, there may be other forms of exercise/lifting that are more conducive for hypertrophy and ultimately physique improvement.
Have to admit the Science behind it dude reminded me of Cartman with his voice lol... Craig since I started in August I’m all ready stronger than any time previously in over a decade of fitness!!
Man even my running times are getting shredded too and I’m no slouch at running... Looking to get gains as I increase my food intake for next yrs comps and get a good base built...
CrossFit is more than just fitness - it’s my family 🐺
I've heard GOBs of responses about the randomness of Crossfit workouts as a coach. They are NOT random at all. The randomness comes from usually someone inability not to see the focus of the workout. TeamRichey pointed out what body parts he hits during the workouts and that's true. Coaches program just like any other coach or athlete with a specific goal in mind for a prescribed set of weeks. This is STANDARD in crossfit. Period. Yes, there are random exercises to layman eye, however, they is a targeted approach by using random exercises to elicit muscle response every time you participate in a workout (WOD). Aesthetically, a bodybuilder LOOKS better but we are focused on performance. One rep on barbell doesn't make you a great athlete. you still need to jump, run, lift, climb, and be faced with the uncertainty of an obstacle before you can test performance. Challenge a decent crossfitter to run, gymnastics, lift, and you will see where your fitness counts in the real world. They may not win against a collegiate runner but they wont loose to a bodybuilder. on the other hand, they wont beat a bodybuilder in looks but they will beat the world class marathoner in aesthetics. You can not be everything in one sport, however, we are looking to close the gap between every sport and have less gaps than most athletes.
Everyone out here tryna look good while I’m tryna turn my body into a weapon lol I want my body to function like a spartan
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I love body building/power lifting or in a more simple way to put it, I like to lift barbells and dumbells in all sorts of different ways lol. But I also run around 5 miles spread out in a week and jump rope for 15 mins straight around 5 times a week to keep my cardio up. I feel like crossfit is calling my name I just don't know where to go to start
Bodybuilding is mostly on the strength. Crossfit training enhances all components...strengrh, speed, stamina, agility, and even flexibility. And most of its training drill doesn't just focus on one/two muscle groups, but a total body workouts, from upper to lower body.
The washed loser Olympics 😂😂😂 that’s why the kne nfl team banned their player from doing CrossFit cause it was negatively affecting his stats.
Cross fit seems like a good way to get all the things everyone wants. Conditioning, muscle, and strength. Albeit not at optimum levels because it's not specific to any of those goals. To me, that is good enough to get an all around fitness but maybe not be the best in any one category
There is always a trade off and if you just want muscle bulk then you train like a bodybuilder, if your main goal is strength then train like a power lifter, etc. the top CrossFit guys aren’t even as muscular as amateur level bodybuilders, or even the classic physique guys. Don’t believe me just look it up. Cross training has been around as a training method for almost 100 years, yes really. CrossFit is a brand and sport that has borrowed from all the training disciplines of the past, if CrossFit was superior in building muscle mass then I promise you bodybuilders would have started trying that way decades ago.
Except, bodybuilding well thought full body routine and its progressive overload and combination of exercises day after day are totally not the same as doing crossfit. Pushups + bikes + pullups and rope climbing random session has nothing to do with full body progression. Yes they do all the basic core movements in crossfit but the randomness and cardio so mixed in between major lift rest periods is not even close as optimal. Yes crossfit athletes are in best overall condition , but to say full body routine like jeff's is your base of judgement that u can progress in body shaping the same way with cross fit is complete wrong interpretation. Also u dont need to mock bodybuilding and splits , dont forget where u come from. Not to mention noone serious in bb is doing just chest ...there are push oull legs routines also stuff like chest back and traps same day, full legs and shoulders on another and full arms with cardio conditioning .. noone does chest and chest and chest, what are u trained in the 60's....! Just cause u switched does not mean u can mock ... when u havent been in top spot in either of the sports! Now ... i also want to say that Obi is also modified his crossfit so its bot that random and he is like a bodybuilder who just sky rocket his cardio . Interpretations bias as much as i like u ..
Im a week into CrossFit and this video convinced me further to keep it !!
20 years of training , think about it 99% of us who train in the gym are not bodybuilders 0:31 but we all train like one ! Why ! What is the use of flu machine ? Bench press mat pull down and if i try to move house furniture I’ll gas out in minutes not even !
Cross fit is for things u use in life think about it
Cross fit is for people who aren't tough enough to bodybuild and to stupid to know how to do it properly .
5:11 if you're going to reference studies, then please cite sources in the description. With that said, can you please provide the source of this study?
05:50 "Yes we don't specifically train for hypertrophy"
Well that settles it then. It's like everyone says, it depends on what your workout goals are, and my goal is hypertrophy, so a regimen where hypertrophy is just "a byproduct", then it's not for me. In recent scientific papers it has also come out, that slow controlled eccentrics with deep stretches are key to hypertrophy. It seems like this starkly contrasts with the CrossFit approach. But that shouldn't trouble anyone whose explicit goal isn't hypertrophy 🤷♂
Too bad CrossFitters tend to incur tons of injuries, especially in the spine 😐. Plus all those pics are taken during training so they’re pumped... Also if you get lean enough and have a pump you’ll look AMAZING. Just do what you love and be careful.
Problem is everyone is right, and too much mass confusion ,
But I'm into shocking the muscles and I have home exercise bike ,
I think some people over train
CrossFit training will make you good at CrossFit. Which includes muscle hypertrophy, but it’s not the same as training for body building, which trains specifically for hypertrophy (at the cost of other things like conditioning or maximum strength). It just depends on your goals.
Saying that the workouts sessions implies some muscle, is not the same that saying that that muscle is going to grow. For example: a marathon runner hasn´t big quads. Crossfit produces lots of quantities of cortisol per session, so that session is not going to be efficient to produce protein sintesis. Crossfit training is good to get better as a crossfit athlete, and nothing else. To build muscle IN AN OPTIMAL WAY, you must practice bodybuilding. I recomend you to read about a little about hypertrophy physiology. Greetings!
Yeah so a short term buildup of cortisol pretty much doesnt matter, if u look at the increses of hormones and metabolic waste that occurs from training we see that cortisol is very linked to muscle protein synthesis. Cortisol is catabolic so im not saying u grow muscle from the cortisol buildup but cortisol buildup is not whats stoping crossfiters. Other than that i agree with you that crossfit is not at all optimal for muscle growth
Crossfit pull ups or whatever the fuck you call it looks fucking hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bodybuilding is DEAD??? Okay need no further reason to unsubscribe you right now. Btw you do crossfit right? Have you even qualified for any games ?
I’m absolutely not arguing or debating the fact that cross fitters could absolutely annihilate me fitness wise. Run circles around me all day for sure.
But for real… my only problem with CF is the pull-ups lol 😂
I just can’t. If they called them swing ups or kip ups … but they just aren’t pull-ups lol
I just want to know y’all’s PED programs?
That's taboo in their community.
Darth Terminatti yeah right.. that’s what every athletic industry says. Don’t play yourself
Darth Terminatti it’s also “taboo” in every professional sport but that’s only the surface for people like you who have never been apart of a professional team or around professional athletes. Sorry mate but they are lying to you. Not one and I mean it not one of them is completely clean.
How many people fail the CROSSFIT LEVEL 1 CERTIFICATE COURSE? I have taken professional certifications mostly IT and if the failure rate is nominal then these "coaches" don't know shit. Things that really test you have a decent failure rate. This is the same reason a certified "trainer" from a big box gym is utterly useless.
CrossFit is a great workout and is great at burning fat and building overall fitness. But it's not for everyone. There are still alot of coaches and UA-cam personalities that don't teach or train correctly. I've tried CrossFit for about 6 months and did notice a change that I loved. However I also noticed more shoulder and back injuries (have had to repair my labrum twice). I've found that doing traditional bodybuilding split has worked better for me.
I still love watching CrossFit and seeing what people accomplish with it. Just don't believe that CrossFit or any other type of exercise is better than any other. All depends on the person training.
You will also see that PEDs is rife throughout the community just like many other sports. Pretending otherwise is just delusional and it's sad that crossfit perpetrates this lie on people who haven't got a background in professional sports.
You don't develop shredded bulk, whilst maintaining high levels of cardio endurance. The volume being trained as well is ludicrous without some recovery assistance.
Crossfit is more like bodybuilding / powerlifting than the other way around. I found this video quite condescending.
5:22 your text specifically says "quadriceps" in terms of significant muscle mass increase. Yet you conveniently leave that out when you make the statement and just say general "muscle mass". So which one is it?? Details are important man. I don't think you're being deceitful on purpose (at least I hope you're not) but please pay more attention to these details as these are massive differences that you're just skimming over like it's nothing.
As a former bro gym guy who has transitioned into a crossfit style training. I very rarely feel as sore as I did back in my typical split training. I definitely feel way stronger than I did back in the day. I do through in some typical bodybuilder exercises before hitting my EMOMS, or AMRAPS or FORTIME workouts and try to focus on the mind muscle connection
yeah Im transitioning to crossfit from bodybuilding and I seem to enjoy it a lot more
@@EarlOSandwich They may want to also try increases their caloric intake or change the sources of those calories. Or, something that I accidently found that works, is to take a break from it for a little while. Not too long, maybe a month or 2.
Then, get back into it. Your muscle shouldn't get too much smaller but you may lose the strength. But, that's good cause it'll be like getting a small reset back to your "beginner progress", but from a much better starting point.
@Truth Seeker getting too big dude is not worth it unless you go pro, so I think it’s better for you to transition to crossfit, it makes you overall fit, Bigger doesnt mean better in fitness.
Jeff is wrong about the 12 hour protein synthesis window. The stronger you get at a set body the more recovery is needed not less......Fullbody Circuit training every other day is best in my opinion.
Greg Doucette should stop all this nonsense from both you and Jeff N.
Train hard with dedication and use your brain people - that's how you get results! I've done Crossfit, I'm doing bodybuilding now. Personally, I've seen much better results with bodybuilding, but yeah, crossfit is fun and can be a grea training, but the community is brainwashed and I was sick of that.
There are so many issues with Crossfit. But that's another topic.
I do agree that bodybuilding is dying and it's about time.
Bodybuilders bitch about Crossfitters can't do an exercise the right way, meanwhile they themselves can't even do a squat or bench correctly. It's hilarious.
Half repping shit talking about how they are putting constant tension on the muscle.
Well we know that pull reps are superior to partial reps.
This is well known, except if you happen to be a bodybuilder 😂
Nippard is clueless about actual science though.
He has proved several times now that he doesn't even know how to read a study.
Like when he said the bench press was proved by EMG to be the best exercise for the pecs.
Well is it? No it's not. Which is really easy to debunk if you actually READ the studies. Which Nippard can't 😂
That title makes fitness too simplistic. It's a disgrace. I can do powerlifting or strongman or olympic lifting or bodybuilding and build muscle. all athletes doing the aforementioned have some developed muscle obviously.
Beef cake and shredded are not synonyms, probably closer to antonyms.
If you have one hour a day to workout and your goal is to build muscle and look like a beef cake, then your muscle group bodybuilding is the way to go. That will give you the big chest, arms, shoulders, etc. My bench press and squat went down when I started crossfit. However, my body fat percentage also went down. The average guy at an LA fitness is stronger than the average guy at your crossfit gym. I would argue though that your average crossfit member is more shredded and probably more healthier. There is my two cents.
This is incredibly disingenuous. You can't possibly claim that cycling is a leg exercise that's going to elicit hypertrophy as Jeff was talking about. There's no eccentric portion to the "lift", plus the conflicting endurance stimulus you get from cycling stops your argument in its tracks.
You want to promote CrossFit, good for you, but this is really, really poor.
All this talk about gains and you trying to somehow showcase that crossfit is good for "gains"...you really shouldn't be doing this man. If I had a channel, I would specifically aim at an intelligent audience. I mean, it should be obvious to any moderately intelligent person that crossfit training (progressing linearly of course) will build a great looking body and of course will make your muscles grow a lot more than the average person, duh! Isn't this what 99% of the people would like? Not to mention you will be able to actually use your body! Who wants to look like a swollen caricature (apart from bodybuilders and other people who haven't got over the fact they were bullied at school), with a body who is more of a hindrance to your life than an advantage?
Crossfit is impossible to control (and you barely ever repeat a workout which is key to hypertrophy), ie progressively overload. Bodybuilding is more efficient to build muscle and anyone can build muscle you dont have to be an elite athlete or athletic at all for that matter. That being said crossfit is way more fun and social , bodybuilding is for nerds. Crossfitters might also be nazi's in some places and not like you unless you have competitive times and lifts and look a certian way, which can be detrimental to the sport. and most crossfitters strictly bodybuild at least three days a week for aesthetics