Thanks to Cammy and Meg for all their patience with me! You should go and check out their channel. And also I need to thank this channel's production team - I would never have thought of doing this, and I had a brilliant time!
The bit at the end of the video, with Tom on the bike and taking directions from Cammy, I realised... Tom isn't the shepherd in that transaction. He's the dog.
I think one problem was Tom’s pitch. Listen to Cammy at the beginning, all his commands are very even. Each command is two syllables, and both are pretty equal, slight upstep to the second syllable, right in the middle of his voice range. All commands use pretty much the same pitch every time. When Tom makes commands, his pitch jumps up or falls down sharply, as one would giving orders to a human. I would guess Meg listens for the command, voice and pitch pattern together. Since this mid-tone pitch is not part of cammy’s spoken English pattern, it could help Meg distinguish these commands from spoken dialog. Just some guesses. This all goes to show how intricately some dogs can recognize speech, even if they seem to process it very differently!
I agree, also vowel length and stress patterns were quite different, e.g. the 'oo' in 'lie doon' was quite short, but the following 'n' had a lot of stress on it.
I mean, your best bet would be to try and mimic the person, but mimicing someone in front of them is an extremely counter-human thing to do. Even with the "permission" it feels like mocking someone. Add on to that the fact that it takes a while to get a good impression going and his effort looks quite admirable.
@@DrZaius3141 Don't humans naturally mimic each others behavior patterns (speech, gestures) subconsciously? It's part of the group bonding instinct we have.
Speech to text? My (Norwegian) dialect is so different from either written standard that I don’t even try, because it’s not going to get the grammar right.
Same problem for US Southern accent (mine) and voice recognition. I dare not go beyond the simplest voice commands to a computer/phone, and even then it's touch and go.
@@iwinrar5207 🥳 yea the reason I said that is cause I watch all of Tom Scott’s videos, main channel and small channel and I’m surprised I haven’t commented on this channel. Yea.
Tom going from explaining how he destroyed a database by executing an incorrect command without a backup to herding sheep in Scotland is an interesting development.
I'm so stoked for the season finale, when Tom herds sheep using parkour techniques while riding a bicycle in a cave blindfolded and on fire. And eating strange ice cream.
Pasture is probably not a coincidence as an afrikaans speaking person I couldn't even recognize it as lay down we have the words laai and dun meaning load and thin thats what I was hearing
@@splashafrica It probably is a coincidence, since Finnish has 0 relation to either English or Scottish, or in fact almost any language in the world besides some of the other virtually nonexistent ones from the same region
14:17 that's almost exactly right. prey animals often jump to show predators they're fast and strong, to encourage predators to try and catch one of the other animals instead.
"No no no no no, we pulled agro! Jump! Jump! Gotta bleed that off and get back on pattern!" - Sheep PVE team lead dealing with unexpected world boss spawn, probably
I love the dog, she recognises the commands but then does nothing as they are given by unauthorised person:) But then wants to have some fun and just does all the work mostly regardless of commands.
the accent won't matter. this dog knows what it's doing and comeby or away in any accent would work really. it's more about energy (for lack of a better word) than pronunciation
I don't work with actual herding dogs (I'm a dog trainer, but I do behavior stuff and general obedience and sports) but honestly, having a strong border collie listen to someone who didn't train them and doesn't have knowledge of the thing? It's awesome! Even I get impressed when someone else can get my dog (who loves people - many border collies are meh on new people) to do stuff. I think it's also validation of your training - you actually taught the cues you meant to and aren't accidentally doing something weird that your dog is keying off of (like when my dog didn't know "down" unless I move my chin down slightly as well!) For a lot of smart dogs, you really only are listened to if you're not a freaking idiot. And if you give them the wrong cue, you can end up getting your butt nipped!
@@BVoshol Isn't this dog much closer to an Australian Shepard/Blue Heeler? I didn't know Collies were herding dogs, that's so cool! (I just knew that they were the smartest breed and are energetic)
@@RhodokTribesman Collies are definitely shepherd dogs. Is the relationship between the collie and the Shetland sheepdog an example of island dwarfism? 😁
Notice Toms's inflection at the end of the commands - When it's an upward inflection the dog won't respond, when he's more firm and uses a downward inflection suddenly the dog recognises it as a command
I'm amazed that someone like Tom, so into linguistics, didn't detect that it wasn't just words and tone, but that inflection too. When Cammy asks him to repeat something, the inflection just wasn't conveyed consistently.
This channel basically now become a list of what Tom would be when he quit UA-cam entirely. Definitely gonna look forward to see Tom herding sheep with a dog in the future.
The accent makes it sound as if hes saying "laidun" which in Finnish means the field where livestock graze. Just doing the world a favour and expanding Tom's knowledge of Finland :)
Man's best friend has never been so clear. No doubt that Meg listens to commands, that is seen from the twitching on the commands, but her going "no, that's not my owner" based on inflection and voice is truly amazing. Without Cammy there guiding Tom through the commands, inflection and voice, Meg would definitely not have listened. Amazing to see!
Authentication error, wrong voice used Please try again... Authentication error, wrong voice used Please try again... Authentication failed, switching to similar voice Similar tone detected, using it Warning: voice not similar enough, command aborted
tbh I noticed every time Meg listened, it was almost always right after Cammy told him exactly what to say - and you already saw how good her hearing is
@@NawidN I think it's just a noise they're not used to and get interested in as a result, maybe if there's something in the frequency range we can't hear that just doesn't happen normally that they just want to know more about or something, like a car screeching its tyres as it accelerates past for a human, we want to see where it is and maybe why it's doing that, but the dog might not think as much about the noise while having the same sort of reaction, although being a whistle, it's probably familiar enough to those who have had training in that way to think they should be doing something but not know what as it isn't following the pitch, etc of the commands they know. Some dogs do have built in instincts for things, Border Collies like in this video have a natural desire to chase livestock for example, some seem to recognise the sounds of distressed lambs or other animals, possibly from their hunting instincts as an injured or vulnerable (like a young lamb separated from the ewe) prey animal would make an easier meal to catch. Maybe the weird whistle note(s) replicates some kind of distressed animal?
Sheep dogs are like that, especially Border Collies. They’ll quite happily run all day, and if they aren’t working dogs they need a lot of mental stimulation. They do really well as show dogs for that reason!
@@sdw9681 We had a neighbor who owned a Border Collie and two other dogs. The Collie spent all day herding the other dogs around, while staring all over the street keeping a lookout.
The verbal commands are so softly and evenly spoken, it's just like a calm voice prompt rather than a command, it's amazing. Any other dog training, you can almost always hear that specific command intonation.
Probably less straining on the human, too, when you can just be reasonably quiet and not put a lot of energy into emoting with the word. If I were designing a set of sounds I'm expected to make all day, I'd go for that too.
There’s Kahnemann’s “Thinking Fast and Slow” / System 1 vs System 2 in a dog. Fast system starts executing (dog flinches), then slow system kicks in “hey, wait a minute, this guy does not have root access”. After two or three commands the effect fades, as the dogs slow / attention based learning system kicks in, as he starts to understand what is going on: trying to get the job done while simulating a bit as if Tom had contributed by giving the commands… - trying to give everyone what they need.
This is the first video I've seen with differently colored captions for the different people!! Thank you so much, Tom; it's genuinely so helpful for people who're deaf, and people like me who have auditory processing disorders
All videos done by Js* caption plus are like that, I recommend watching a few videos where Tom does pub games with three other people for some of the best captioning I've ever seen.
@@mirjanbouma it seems a little ironic, the best captioning is done for pub games. I suppose especially helpful if one is joining in with their own libations?🍻 😉
As a Scot, I genuinely really appreciate your approach to sensitivity, Tom. It's nice to see someone asking if it's cool for them to put on a Scottish accent. But it's one of those funny things that, by asking, and therefore demonstrating that you're a thoughtful person about these topics, I almost feel like you didn't have to ask. It's a weird paradox where the people who ask are obviously respectful enough that they didn't need to, and the people who don't ask are the ones who really probably should be asking for permission.
@@WhiteUnicorn82 it's not about needing to ask (I would've thought that was obvious from me literally saying respectful people like Tom don't have to ask) it's about being polite, and socially aware enough to have asked.
@@WhiteUnicorn82 Because a bad imitation, by default, comes off as mockery. It's not so much that you need permission, as that the act of asking for permission has become the standard way to indicate that, however bad your attempt may be, mockery is not the intended result. It's also a good way to gauge if the person you're asking is a moderately sane and reasonable human being or the sort to just go completely berserk at you over the slightest thing (the latter sort is far more likely to say 'no' and be mildly offended when you ask... which is a distinct improvement over screaming and trying to punch you in the face...) Or at least, that's how it seems to be to me.
@@WhiteUnicorn82 It's because the world as gone bonkers, i'm a Brummie who's worked in Scotland and my accent was mimicked (badly) on a daily bases, not just in Scotland but wherever i go in the UK, i don't care, you must have a very fragile ego if you get upset at someone copying your accent.
As an Australian sheep farmer it’s very interesting to her the commands they use to control the sheep her we would use things like round, push, heel, come, hold and stay
Great chemistry between you and Cammy there. I really like that he's just as curious on how things might turn out and really looks forward to see how you manage and how the dog/sheep will react. I know quite some people who are bad at giving away their work and would much rather do it themselves but he's so laid back about it, it's really nice to watch
Another reason to admire JS* caption plus (responsible for all captions on the channel): They actually translated what that demonstratuon of the dog whistle meant
Before I finish watching this, I know you're not going to be doing the same thing, but a few months back I accidentally herded sheep on a motorbike. My status update from the time: - "I guess I'm a shepherd now, ended up herding about 50 sheep a mile up a road and into a field after rounding a corner at 40mph to find them running at me. Pretty sure I put them in the wrong field too. If there's a farmer on Walney wondering where some of their sheep are, they're in a double field with a gap between hedgerow connecting them, and a double gate to the road."
Meg just shakes like a pasword prompt with every command Tom gives. What an excellent dog. She's all "you ain't my boss. I don't know you, that's my sheep!"
I use a shepherd's whistle and it took me a LOT longer than a day to get a noise out of it! They're really nothing like what you expect from a whistle, it feels like trying to learn to play a tiny flute inside your mouth. Love that he got it engraved for you!
I did wonder about the whistle thing as soon as they mentioned it considering COVID etc. Having an engraved one as a souvenir was a lovely touch from the team (and also saved them some hygiene questions!)
I grew up on a beef farm. We never used ATVs, but I regularly herded the cattle on foot. It's a lot more tiring compared to using a motorcycle, ATV, or something of the like, however you're much more agile when you're on your own two feet.
YOU COLLABED WITH CAMMY?! WHAT?!! This is absolutely everything I didn’t know I needed!! I love your content Tom and I’m an avid Sheep Fan so when I saw Cammy in the first few frames I squealed so hard I scared my cat
Loved watching this… I have a border collie (very much *not* a working one!), and his reaction to commands from people other than me is completely different, probably because he’s had to do that from 7 weeks old (when we got him). But also, he can be quite specific about some things, like Meg. His recall command is ‘this way’, or a single specific whistle. Other whistle’s don’t work. But a ‘sit’ just needs the initial sibilant ‘s’ and he’s down… Unless he’s engrossed with exploring (when getting too close to a road), when a sternly toned ‘SIT’ is needed. I.e. voice tone can be incredibly important… He’s a good doggo…
What a riotous 15 minutes, very big thanks to your host (our host?) And a simple Kow-Tow to Meg' who does a much better job than the motorbike and uses less petrol. One of your very very best Vids Tom; well done, and again very big thanks to Cammy. John - Perth - Australia.
Was it just me or was Meg way more likely to respond to Tom when he'd just had Cammy reminding him of the wording? It sometimes seemed like Meg was hearing the non-command inflection of the word from Cammy and taking that as permission to obey when Tom gave repeated it as a command. Also, aww the pups at the very end!
This video just made me feel very cozy and comfortable. Maybe it was the nice scenery or the laid-back countryside atmosphere but I really enjoyed this one Tom. Great work!
These two guys need their own show doing things! And I believe if Cammy wasn't there Meg would've probably done it quicker but she could see and was waiting for Cammy to speak. Either way loved this!
Tom Scott is a prime example of British content better than anything you'll find on our telly's nowadays. He's so earnest and talented at showing off every corner of our UK so well
Cammy: Truly a pleasure to watch you train TS in the finer points of herding. Query: How long did it take Meg to recover from Tom’s insults/assaults upon her hearing? My sheltie launched immediately went into work mode, furiously herding the cat after hearing your commands. From the confused/exhausted look on his face, believe Tom’s sad/pathetic whistling have given my mate migraine, no less a highly upset/angry cat.
This was an excellent demonstration and I’ve seen more than a few on fluff telly programmes over the years. You really see how the commands work and how the dog doesn’t just follow them but interprets them, like it totally gets what’s going on and why. Astonishing stuff.
To anyone in the US who's curious, we call it a Shepard's Whistle or a Herding Whistle here. And they're not quite so hard to use as they seem, but they're not exactly easy either XD
This seems like the most genuine fun I've seen on Plus yet. Just two dudes standing in a lush field on a bright day with some lovely animals and discussing the finer points of an ancient craft. I love watching a really skilled dog work, it's incredible.
This was another joy to watch. It's great that Tom is so keen to give everything a fair go, and that the people, and animals, are all so patient and positive in helping him. Cammy and Meg made this video interesting, educational, and a lot of fun to watch. I'm sure I can't be the only one who was hoping that Cammy was going to slip in a cheeky little "Away", and "Come-By" over the radio to Tom when he was on the ATV.
Dog: "Yeah that's the command, but that's some random guy saying it, i am not actually gonna do it!" And to be fair, that's how it should be, good dog.
This may be an example of how we 'round' phonemes we hear to the one we have learnt. Some languages/dialects use different phonemes; the how or inflection that is said is interpreted differently to our ears based on our language experience.
I have seen so many videos across your channels and I can say with confidence this is my favorite. The chemistry with you and Cammy Wilson alongside good hearted fun on something I never see was just perfect.
This video is amazing. It shows off so much. The job, the owner, the sheep, the dog and even the crew. This video does a great job of explaining and showing what being a sheep herder is like herding sheep. Loved it. Thank you Tom Scott and and the entire production team. Amazing work!!!👍👍
"She's not gonna pay attention to some city boy who's been parachuted in here!" Did Tom actually arrive by skydive? If not, someone get in touch with him and get him to do a skydive!
One time when I was younger, I was helping someone herd sheep to another paddock. One mistake, I started running. The sheep was 5 or so metres left of the gate, so I thought that it would just go through the gate. Nope, ran right through this wire fence without stopping, damaging the fence.
I thought it was funny near the end when they were almost in the pen, Meg just took over and did the right thing even though Tom wasn't really telling her the right thing.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how good the editing is in these newer videos, kus I remember the days when we got 2 camera angles from a tripod max. This is amazing stuff nowadays.
Dogs are like that, they listen to the person who trained them the most. I think what helps is for them to get more familiar with you and if you hand them a few treats they will start to listen.
My grandfather and uncles used four-wheeler and three-wheeler ATVs to round up cattle in Louisiana. I remember the dairy cows being much easier to round up than your sheep. 😀 When my grandpa switched to beef cows though, wow! Imagine if the sheep were much bigger, incredibly stubborn, and even a touch combative.
Dairy girls know where the relief for their heavy udders are. Back home in Tasmania the girls just line up and walk themselves in (except for 1 or 2 stragglers).
I can confirm that the sheepdog whistle works. When I went on a holiday to New Zealand, I bought a souvenir plastic sheepdog whistle. On a short break on the way to the next destination there, we are in a small meadow with a herd of sheep. I reckoned, let's give it a try and see what's going to happen. Lo and behold, 1 whistle later, all the sheep were returning to the barn...
I watch videos where my dogs can hear. Scott blowing the whistle put them both on attention. They are both toy-sized terrier mixes with zero herding instinct, now nervously pacing the living room like they've seen a hedgehog.
It bothered me too, but it's also really really hard to do. Especially when you're saying it out loud with other people around while doing a task and paying attention to that instead of the minutia of a different accent
I was smiling the whole way through, this was one of the most wholesome videos I have ever watched. Thank you for the amazing and diverse content you keep bringing us Tom!
Thanks to Cammy and Meg for all their patience with me! You should go and check out their channel. And also I need to thank this channel's production team - I would never have thought of doing this, and I had a brilliant time!
5 hrs ago?
How’d you lose to sheeps
@@wildcat3025 you can upload a video before you publish it publicly
@@wildcat3025 scheduled upload
Wow
I love how the dog is like 'this new shepard has no Idea what hes doing, Im going to finish his job for him' at the end
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If you think about it, it's much more natural and obvious for any animal other than a human to understand the overall goal and act to accomplish it.
@@iabervon
I'm not sure about that, but the sheep definitely have more experience avoiding Meg and the ATV than Tom has herding them.
Fine I will do it myself
The sheep hearded themselves, I think it was a sympathy deal between the dogs and sheep.
Observe as Tom Scott expertly un-trains a highly trained sheep dog.
😂
🤣
🤣
Dog de-whisperer
BAHAHA perfect alternate title, tom scott should definitely use it 🤣
Thanks for coming up to bonnie Scotland Tom! I still can’t believe Meg listened to you 🤣😁
You can add Shepherd to that extensive CV of yours 🙃
Thank you for providing us with this wonderful entertainment
You're great, bro. Love your shithousery personality. 😂
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How long did y’all spend playing with the dog 🐶?
Awesome seeing you on Tom's channel! Greatest crossover ever!
And yet another episode of "Tom is surprisingly competent at something he has never done before"
Definitely !
Tom Scott: The real Chuck Norris?
Tom Scott IS "Surprisingly Competentman"
except Caving, but every other thing yes
"now that there's points, I'm going to win this"
Tom 2018(ish?)
The bit at the end of the video, with Tom on the bike and taking directions from Cammy, I realised... Tom isn't the shepherd in that transaction. He's the dog.
😂
"What would Meg do?"
Ahahahaha! Exactly! 😄
my exact thought 😂😂
I thought that, then also thought "I think this might actually be easier on a horse"
I think one problem was Tom’s pitch. Listen to Cammy at the beginning, all his commands are very even. Each command is two syllables, and both are pretty equal, slight upstep to the second syllable, right in the middle of his voice range. All commands use pretty much the same pitch every time. When Tom makes commands, his pitch jumps up or falls down sharply, as one would giving orders to a human. I would guess Meg listens for the command, voice and pitch pattern together. Since this mid-tone pitch is not part of cammy’s spoken English pattern, it could help Meg distinguish these commands from spoken dialog. Just some guesses. This all goes to show how intricately some dogs can recognize speech, even if they seem to process it very differently!
I agree, also vowel length and stress patterns were quite different, e.g. the 'oo' in 'lie doon' was quite short, but the following 'n' had a lot of stress on it.
It seems like Tom is really trying to mimic the tone, but just slips up and says it naturally. It must be hard to adjust to that.
I mean, your best bet would be to try and mimic the person, but mimicing someone in front of them is an extremely counter-human thing to do. Even with the "permission" it feels like mocking someone. Add on to that the fact that it takes a while to get a good impression going and his effort looks quite admirable.
A great analysis!!
@@DrZaius3141 Don't humans naturally mimic each others behavior patterns (speech, gestures) subconsciously? It's part of the group bonding instinct we have.
At 11:01, Cammy says the word "see" in conversation with Tom and Meg looks back. FFS, these dogs are hilariously amazing.
Well spotted! I didn’t even see that… 🫣
Nice!
Good catch. That is one amazing dog.
Now Tom understands the frustration of voice recognition for scots.
Speech to text? My (Norwegian) dialect is so different from either written standard that I don’t even try, because it’s not going to get the grammar right.
Same problem for US Southern accent (mine) and voice recognition. I dare not go beyond the simplest voice commands to a computer/phone, and even then it's touch and go.
Eleven.
@@Archgeek0 if you know you know.
@@crt33 ELEEEVEN
Tom's genuine surprise at being able to use a whistle at 3:43 is a precious moment
Yes
Just realized I have never commented on this channel wow
I should have worn a rain coat, but yes!
@@MKZ3003 now you have commented twice. Congrats!
@@iwinrar5207 🥳 yea the reason I said that is cause I watch all of Tom Scott’s videos, main channel and small channel and I’m surprised I haven’t commented on this channel. Yea.
My collie dog just spent the last 10 minutes trying to herd my cat around the living room. Neither are impressed but I am!
Clever dog.
The real trick is to herd multiple cats.
But why no videoooo
@@Zraknul Herding cats is easy. It involves food, though.
@@sophierobinson2738 Yep. Cats can hear a can opener from anywhere in the house, even if the TV is on.
The dog’s brain:
Tom Scott is not in the sudoers file.
This incident will be reported.
chmod g+x meg
@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 +1 for the *nix reference!
lmao
Who does sudo report those incedents to
@@Sarahbryson321 A random log file on the computer
Tom going from explaining how he destroyed a database by executing an incorrect command without a backup to herding sheep in Scotland is an interesting development.
Similar idea of breaking the system by using inappropriate commands xD
Was the pun intended?
I'm so stoked for the season finale, when Tom herds sheep using parkour techniques while riding a bicycle in a cave blindfolded and on fire. And eating strange ice cream.
@@ohiorizzler1434 after it's over, he treats himself with odd icecream.
And a cup of coffee
Before the ice cream, he has to out-joust a sentient roller coaster wielding pottery, which he must locate with an AirTag someone left on its seat.
I feel like Tom is at the point where he has a lot of free time, and he's just working off his bucket list.
And I absolutely love it.
Start drinking coffee and ride bicycles like the rest of the adults, check, record a song in a studio, check, herd sheep on an ATV, check...
@@safe-keeper1042 Doing parkour... check, jumping through a window... check, being set on fire... check
Completed the main quest and now trying to 100% it with the side quests
@@vincentguttmann2231 *thrown out a window
drive a plane, check, get set on fire, check, blacksmithing, check
Funny coincidence: the way Cammy pronaunces "lay down" in his accent, sounds almost same as the finnish word "laidun" - which means a pasture.
Which turns out to be a loan from Proto-Germanic! Unrelated to either "lie" or "down", though.
It also sounds similar to the dutch city called Leiden
Pasture is probably not a coincidence as an afrikaans speaking person I couldn't even recognize it as lay down we have the words laai and dun meaning load and thin thats what I was hearing
@@splashafrica It probably is a coincidence, since Finnish has 0 relation to either English or Scottish, or in fact almost any language in the world besides some of the other virtually nonexistent ones from the same region
He's saying "lie doon"
14:17 that's almost exactly right. prey animals often jump to show predators they're fast and strong, to encourage predators to try and catch one of the other animals instead.
I did not know that was why they jump like that. Now I see it with gazelles and gnus. Thanks for the info. 🙂🐑🦓🐐🐅💗
"No no no no no, we pulled agro! Jump! Jump! Gotta bleed that off and get back on pattern!"
- Sheep PVE team lead dealing with unexpected world boss spawn, probably
@@MorgenPeschke Leeeeerrrroooyyyy!!!! Jeeeeeennnkkiinnsssssss!!!!
"How do we show them we're friendly?"
"IDK spam spacebar or something"
The word for this is 'stotting' and it's something you'll see a lot when you know to look for it.
I love the dog, she recognises the commands but then does nothing as they are given by unauthorised person:) But then wants to have some fun and just does all the work mostly regardless of commands.
Tom kept getting "Access denied" from Meg. Hilarious!
@@JustAnotherMe "You do realize that ACCESS... DENIED."
Technically you could use a dog like Meg to train your accent which is probably the most interesting way to practise your accent
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the accent won't matter. this dog knows what it's doing and comeby or away in any accent would work really. it's more about energy (for lack of a better word) than pronunciation
We need a follow up of this vid with an Asian guy/gal or something to see how the dog will react.
@@zwenkwiel816 you’re right it’s not the accent it’s 100% the intonation, Tom’s commands rise in pitch whereas Cammy’s are more even
@@muhilan8540 doesn't really matter either, just look at 6:11
Cammy's genuine delight at watching Meg respond to Tom is wonderful.
I don't work with actual herding dogs (I'm a dog trainer, but I do behavior stuff and general obedience and sports) but honestly, having a strong border collie listen to someone who didn't train them and doesn't have knowledge of the thing? It's awesome! Even I get impressed when someone else can get my dog (who loves people - many border collies are meh on new people) to do stuff. I think it's also validation of your training - you actually taught the cues you meant to and aren't accidentally doing something weird that your dog is keying off of (like when my dog didn't know "down" unless I move my chin down slightly as well!)
For a lot of smart dogs, you really only are listened to if you're not a freaking idiot. And if you give them the wrong cue, you can end up getting your butt nipped!
@@BVoshol Isn't this dog much closer to an Australian Shepard/Blue Heeler? I didn't know Collies were herding dogs, that's so cool! (I just knew that they were the smartest breed and are energetic)
@@RhodokTribesman
Collies are definitely shepherd dogs. Is the relationship between the collie and the Shetland sheepdog an example of island dwarfism? 😁
Pet collies have been known to herd children.
I love how half of this video is just Tom being amazed by the dog.
To be fair, that is an amazing dog.
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And the dog being unimpressed by Tom.
Sheepdogs in action are quite worthy of amazement.
She’s the star of the show 🥰
Notice Toms's inflection at the end of the commands - When it's an upward inflection the dog won't respond, when he's more firm and uses a downward inflection suddenly the dog recognises it as a command
Tom: "Lie down? Away?"
Dog: "Are you asking me or telling me?"
I'm amazed that someone like Tom, so into linguistics, didn't detect that it wasn't just words and tone, but that inflection too. When Cammy asks him to repeat something, the inflection just wasn't conveyed consistently.
@@andrewmunro8830 fair bet that he was just kind of overwhelmed with the completely new experience and didn't analyze it in such a way
This channel basically now become a list of what Tom would be when he quit UA-cam entirely. Definitely gonna look forward to see Tom herding sheep with a dog in the future.
I wonder how many of these videos could be combined. Herding sheep, on a bicycle, while on fire, doing parkour...
@@MichaelMoore99 on a plane with closed eye
@@13starof_17 While drinking coffee and eating weird ice cream
@@MichaelMoore99 and making a cup
Parkour on a bike is trials riding. He's already in Scotland, so clearly going to see Danny Macaskill.
The accent makes it sound as if hes saying "laidun" which in Finnish means the field where livestock graze. Just doing the world a favour and expanding Tom's knowledge of Finland :)
I trust nothing to do with Finland anymore.
@@oxybrightdark8765 but he's been there! once! For 5 minutes!
Lentokenta
That's kind of accidentally perfect, isn't it?
You know when your friend sends you a link and it just doesn't look like something they'd send... This dog is you receiving that link.
That's a beautiful analogy, and I shall be stealing it.
That makes so much sense.
the jumping sheep part is the purest thing i've seen in a year
i loved that part so much!
I love the excitement yet frustration of Tom when he finally gets the dog to do what he wants
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That’s how I feel every day 🤣
Man's best friend has never been so clear. No doubt that Meg listens to commands, that is seen from the twitching on the commands, but her going "no, that's not my owner" based on inflection and voice is truly amazing. Without Cammy there guiding Tom through the commands, inflection and voice, Meg would definitely not have listened. Amazing to see!
Like some advance piece of tecnology, this dog is voiceprint locked!
Authentication error, wrong voice used
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Authentication error, wrong voice used
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Authentication failed, switching to similar voice
Similar tone detected, using it
Warning: voice not similar enough, command aborted
tbh I noticed every time Meg listened, it was almost always right after Cammy told him exactly what to say - and you already saw how good her hearing is
I love how Meg recognizes the command, but is so confused whether to obey a complete stranger.
"There is a VERY confused dog over there!" cracked me up like no tomorrow 🤣
When Tom first hit the note on the whistle my dog was SO CONFUSED.
So was mine 🤣🤣
Yep! Mine perked up and looked around like wtf?!
Why? Do dogs just know the note means something?
@@NawidN I think it's just a noise they're not used to and get interested in as a result, maybe if there's something in the frequency range we can't hear that just doesn't happen normally that they just want to know more about or something, like a car screeching its tyres as it accelerates past for a human, we want to see where it is and maybe why it's doing that, but the dog might not think as much about the noise while having the same sort of reaction, although being a whistle, it's probably familiar enough to those who have had training in that way to think they should be doing something but not know what as it isn't following the pitch, etc of the commands they know.
Some dogs do have built in instincts for things, Border Collies like in this video have a natural desire to chase livestock for example, some seem to recognise the sounds of distressed lambs or other animals, possibly from their hunting instincts as an injured or vulnerable (like a young lamb separated from the ewe) prey animal would make an easier meal to catch. Maybe the weird whistle note(s) replicates some kind of distressed animal?
My cat woke up from his nap because of it!
She doesn't want to stop herding... that's why she's ignoring the "Lie Doon" command.
Work dog, wants to work.
Workodoglic
👀👉Dominion (2018) ✌
It's part of the work to avoid scattering them. See where Tom scattered them getting the 4 wheeler too close.
Sheep dogs are like that, especially Border Collies. They’ll quite happily run all day, and if they aren’t working dogs they need a lot of mental stimulation. They do really well as show dogs for that reason!
@@sdw9681 We had a neighbor who owned a Border Collie and two other dogs. The Collie spent all day herding the other dogs around, while staring all over the street keeping a lookout.
The verbal commands are so softly and evenly spoken, it's just like a calm voice prompt rather than a command, it's amazing. Any other dog training, you can almost always hear that specific command intonation.
“Prompts” or “instructions” is definitely more accurate than “commands”.
Meg knows what to do.
Probably less straining on the human, too, when you can just be reasonably quiet and not put a lot of energy into emoting with the word.
If I were designing a set of sounds I'm expected to make all day, I'd go for that too.
There’s Kahnemann’s “Thinking Fast and Slow” / System 1 vs System 2 in a dog.
Fast system starts executing (dog flinches), then slow system kicks in “hey, wait a minute, this guy does not have root access”.
After two or three commands the effect fades, as the dogs slow / attention based learning system kicks in, as he starts to understand what is going on: trying to get the job done while simulating a bit as if Tom had contributed by giving the commands… - trying to give everyone what they need.
You gotta love it when sheep pull a reverse Uno and start herding hoomans 😆
👀👉Dominion (2018) ✌
I was watching the quad bike bit and I was wondering if they could have used a horse. Now I want to see Tom learn to ride a horse.
I don't see why not, since cattle farmers use horses.
I feel like that would work 99% of the time, but 1% the sheep would spook the horse, and the farmer would be laid up for months with broken bones.
Getting an engraved whistle must be one of the most precious moments I've seen in a Tom Scott video. That was so wholesome.
"So, if you ever get to feeling even mildly important, try telling someone else's dog what to do" . . So, so true. Great video : )
I love how early on it wasn't really Tom learning to command the dog, it was the dog learning to listen to Tom's commands.
This is the first video I've seen with differently colored captions for the different people!! Thank you so much, Tom; it's genuinely so helpful for people who're deaf, and people like me who have auditory processing disorders
All videos done by Js* caption plus are like that, I recommend watching a few videos where Tom does pub games with three other people for some of the best captioning I've ever seen.
@@mirjanbouma it seems a little ironic, the best captioning is done for pub games. I suppose especially helpful if one is joining in with their own libations?🍻 😉
As a Scot, I genuinely really appreciate your approach to sensitivity, Tom. It's nice to see someone asking if it's cool for them to put on a Scottish accent.
But it's one of those funny things that, by asking, and therefore demonstrating that you're a thoughtful person about these topics, I almost feel like you didn't have to ask. It's a weird paradox where the people who ask are obviously respectful enough that they didn't need to, and the people who don't ask are the ones who really probably should be asking for permission.
Why would one have to ask anyway? It seems utterly bonkers to suggest that someone ought to ask for permission to speak in any particular way!
@@WhiteUnicorn82 it's not about needing to ask (I would've thought that was obvious from me literally saying respectful people like Tom don't have to ask) it's about being polite, and socially aware enough to have asked.
@@WhiteUnicorn82 Because a bad imitation, by default, comes off as mockery. It's not so much that you need permission, as that the act of asking for permission has become the standard way to indicate that, however bad your attempt may be, mockery is not the intended result. It's also a good way to gauge if the person you're asking is a moderately sane and reasonable human being or the sort to just go completely berserk at you over the slightest thing (the latter sort is far more likely to say 'no' and be mildly offended when you ask... which is a distinct improvement over screaming and trying to punch you in the face...)
Or at least, that's how it seems to be to me.
@@WhiteUnicorn82 It's because the world as gone bonkers, i'm a Brummie who's worked in Scotland and my accent was mimicked (badly) on a daily bases, not just in Scotland but wherever i go in the UK, i don't care, you must have a very fragile ego if you get upset at someone copying your accent.
As an Australian sheep farmer it’s very interesting to her the commands they use to control the sheep her we would use things like round, push, heel, come, hold and stay
same in the states. Guess Scotts are just different
As much as I like Tom, Meg is definitely the star of this one.
Great chemistry between you and Cammy there.
I really like that he's just as curious on how things might turn out and really looks forward to see how you manage and how the dog/sheep will react.
I know quite some people who are bad at giving away their work and would much rather do it themselves but he's so laid back about it, it's really nice to watch
He's a great bloke, Cammy is. 👍
Another reason to admire JS* caption plus (responsible for all captions on the channel): They actually translated what that demonstratuon of the dog whistle meant
Yes, I was really impressed by that too. JS* caption plus always do such an excellent job.
From Parkour to a farmer. Great as always Tom
👀👉Dominion (2018) ✌
Shepherd! We like to think of them in English as different from farmers or ranchers! 🙂
Before I finish watching this, I know you're not going to be doing the same thing, but a few months back I accidentally herded sheep on a motorbike. My status update from the time: -
"I guess I'm a shepherd now, ended up herding about 50 sheep a mile up a road and into a field after rounding a corner at 40mph to find them running at me. Pretty sure I put them in the wrong field too. If there's a farmer on Walney wondering where some of their sheep are, they're in a double field with a gap between hedgerow connecting them, and a double gate to the road."
👀👉Dominion (2018) ✌
You're the antagonist of the origin story of Little Bo Peep.
Oh, that’s where they went.
Meg just shakes like a pasword prompt with every command Tom gives. What an excellent dog. She's all "you ain't my boss. I don't know you, that's my sheep!"
I use a shepherd's whistle and it took me a LOT longer than a day to get a noise out of it! They're really nothing like what you expect from a whistle, it feels like trying to learn to play a tiny flute inside your mouth. Love that he got it engraved for you!
I did wonder about the whistle thing as soon as they mentioned it considering COVID etc. Having an engraved one as a souvenir was a lovely touch from the team (and also saved them some hygiene questions!)
I grew up on a beef farm. We never used ATVs, but I regularly herded the cattle on foot. It's a lot more tiring compared to using a motorcycle, ATV, or something of the like, however you're much more agile when you're on your own two feet.
YOU COLLABED WITH CAMMY?! WHAT?!! This is absolutely everything I didn’t know I needed!! I love your content Tom and I’m an avid Sheep Fan so when I saw Cammy in the first few frames I squealed so hard I scared my cat
Right?! Me too! I couldn't believe I was seeing Cammy on a Tom Scott video. Just brilliant!
I couldn’t believe it when his team emailed me! I thought it was a hoax as i’d been following him for ages 😅🤩🤩. Thanks guys!
Exactly my response! Two great channels, awesome to see a collab!
Sheep herding, you say? From the title alone, I could tell this'd be a baa-d idea.
Take my like and get out
👀👉Dominion (2018) ✌
ba-dum tsssh
I see what ewe did there 🤭
That dog is the cutest thing I've seen for a while! So clever!
What an incredible dog! Meg is so, so clever!!
Loved watching this… I have a border collie (very much *not* a working one!), and his reaction to commands from people other than me is completely different, probably because he’s had to do that from 7 weeks old (when we got him). But also, he can be quite specific about some things, like Meg. His recall command is ‘this way’, or a single specific whistle. Other whistle’s don’t work. But a ‘sit’ just needs the initial sibilant ‘s’ and he’s down… Unless he’s engrossed with exploring (when getting too close to a road), when a sternly toned ‘SIT’ is needed. I.e. voice tone can be incredibly important…
He’s a good doggo…
What a riotous 15 minutes, very big thanks to your host (our host?) And a simple Kow-Tow to Meg' who does a much better job than the motorbike and uses less petrol. One of your very very best Vids Tom; well done, and again very big thanks to Cammy. John - Perth - Australia.
Was it just me or was Meg way more likely to respond to Tom when he'd just had Cammy reminding him of the wording? It sometimes seemed like Meg was hearing the non-command inflection of the word from Cammy and taking that as permission to obey when Tom gave repeated it as a command.
Also, aww the pups at the very end!
This video just made me feel very cozy and comfortable. Maybe it was the nice scenery or the laid-back countryside atmosphere but I really enjoyed this one Tom. Great work!
I think Cammy's friendly vibe is a factor too. I find the Scottish accent welcoming too, so that probably helps as well.
When Tom was on the bike, I was expecting cammy to be saying “away and come by “ to Tom over the radio
These two guys need their own show doing things! And I believe if Cammy wasn't there Meg would've probably done it quicker but she could see and was waiting for Cammy to speak. Either way loved this!
"I'm being outwitted by a sheep." -Tom Scott 2022
3:44
The dog wondering why Tom is organizing a millitary strike on New Zealand:
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Tom Scott is a prime example of British content better than anything you'll find on our telly's nowadays. He's so earnest and talented at showing off every corner of our UK so well
That was hilarious 😂…Meg scores 10+, Tom three and a half❣️Thank you for not letting Tom break your dog Cammy….such fun.🐺👌🏽
Cammy: Truly a pleasure to watch you train TS in the finer points of herding. Query: How long did it take Meg to recover from Tom’s insults/assaults upon her hearing? My sheltie launched immediately went into work mode, furiously herding the cat after hearing your commands. From the confused/exhausted look on his face, believe Tom’s sad/pathetic whistling have given my mate migraine, no less a highly upset/angry cat.
This was an excellent demonstration and I’ve seen more than a few on fluff telly programmes over the years. You really see how the commands work and how the dog doesn’t just follow them but interprets them, like it totally gets what’s going on and why. Astonishing stuff.
On one of Cammy's Sheep Game, Meg helps out when they were training a younger dog Fern. It shows so well how Meg works. 🙂🐏🐑🐕🐕❤
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Meg is so confused and adorable. And those sheep are majestic AF.
To anyone in the US who's curious, we call it a Shepard's Whistle or a Herding Whistle here. And they're not quite so hard to use as they seem, but they're not exactly easy either XD
This seems like the most genuine fun I've seen on Plus yet. Just two dudes standing in a lush field on a bright day with some lovely animals and discussing the finer points of an ancient craft. I love watching a really skilled dog work, it's incredible.
This was another joy to watch. It's great that Tom is so keen to give everything a fair go, and that the people, and animals, are all so patient and positive in helping him.
Cammy and Meg made this video interesting, educational, and a lot of fun to watch.
I'm sure I can't be the only one who was hoping that Cammy was going to slip in a cheeky little "Away", and "Come-By" over the radio to Tom when he was on the ATV.
Watching Tom fail to whistle made my day
👀👉Dominion (2018) ✌
it just finally felt like i wasnt alone lmfao
I love how you're just trying EVERYTHING in life on this channel. Thanks for what you do.
Dog: "Yeah that's the command, but that's some random guy saying it, i am not actually gonna do it!"
And to be fair, that's how it should be, good dog.
I love that the whistle signals were translated in the captions
I love how Tom always is able to pick up on the basic concept of something with a few minutes of observation. Makes the videos that much more fun
If it doesn't go well, the video doesn't end up on UA-cam?
This may be an example of how we 'round' phonemes we hear to the one we have learnt. Some languages/dialects use different phonemes; the how or inflection that is said is interpreted differently to our ears based on our language experience.
The excitement at getting a personalised whistle cannot be contained!
My mind decided to make up the second half of the title:
"I tried herding sheep, but the sheep herded me"
Cammy was a fantastic addition to this, great energy and humour!
I have seen so many videos across your channels and I can say with confidence this is my favorite. The chemistry with you and Cammy Wilson alongside good hearted fun on something I never see was just perfect.
This was just really wholesome and loved Cammy, what a charismatic guy. Of course I think Meg takes the win
“There is a very confused dog over there.” Well there’s also two very confused dogs in South Dakota hearing the noise of Tom’s whistle from my phone 😂
i really just appreciate all the titles to his videos. just reading it makes my day.
This video is amazing. It shows off so much. The job, the owner, the sheep, the dog and even the crew. This video does a great job of explaining and showing what being a sheep herder is like herding sheep. Loved it. Thank you Tom Scott and and the entire production team. Amazing work!!!👍👍
Well said! 🙂🐏🐑🐏🐕❤
Whenever people use "sheep" as a metaphor for "docile and easily led," I can tell they've never met a sheep.
Tom needs to go surfing next!
Find an appropriate youtuber and hook them them up!
"She's not gonna pay attention to some city boy who's been parachuted in here!"
Did Tom actually arrive by skydive? If not, someone get in touch with him and get him to do a skydive!
Tom has talked about his skydiving experience (three jumps) on the Park Bench. The video is titled “Fear”
One time when I was younger, I was helping someone herd sheep to another paddock. One mistake, I started running. The sheep was 5 or so metres left of the gate, so I thought that it would just go through the gate. Nope, ran right through this wire fence without stopping, damaging the fence.
I thought it was funny near the end when they were almost in the pen, Meg just took over and did the right thing even though Tom wasn't really telling her the right thing.
Tom Scott is now responsible for 300,000 people saying a Scottish 'Ahweeeeeeeyh' repeatedly in their bedrooms.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how good the editing is in these newer videos, kus I remember the days when we got 2 camera angles from a tripod max. This is amazing stuff nowadays.
Dogs are like that, they listen to the person who trained them the most. I think what helps is for them to get more familiar with you and if you hand them a few treats they will start to listen.
My grandfather and uncles used four-wheeler and three-wheeler ATVs to round up cattle in Louisiana. I remember the dairy cows being much easier to round up than your sheep. 😀 When my grandpa switched to beef cows though, wow! Imagine if the sheep were much bigger, incredibly stubborn, and even a touch combative.
Dairy girls know where the relief for their heavy udders are. Back home in Tasmania the girls just line up and walk themselves in (except for 1 or 2 stragglers).
I'm from Cammys channel, this is brilliant! Thanks for featuring him and Meg.
I can confirm that the sheepdog whistle works. When I went on a holiday to New Zealand, I bought a souvenir plastic sheepdog whistle. On a short break on the way to the next destination there, we are in a small meadow with a herd of sheep. I reckoned, let's give it a try and see what's going to happen. Lo and behold, 1 whistle later, all the sheep were returning to the barn...
The sheep quite often hear the whistle and start running like there is a dog because the associate it with the dog 😃
I watch videos where my dogs can hear. Scott blowing the whistle put them both on attention. They are both toy-sized terrier mixes with zero herding instinct, now nervously pacing the living room like they've seen a hedgehog.
It annoys me that Tom doesnt try to mimic Cammy's tone, but this was such an amazing video! I had no idea these dogs had such fantastic hearing.
It bothered me too, but it's also really really hard to do. Especially when you're saying it out loud with other people around while doing a task and paying attention to that instead of the minutia of a different accent
The dog has better hearing than Tom haha
My collie can hear the fridge door open from the far end of garden !
Well, that was extremely fun to watch. :)
Also, I really appreciate the CCs having different colours for different speakers.
I was smiling the whole way through, this was one of the most wholesome videos I have ever watched. Thank you for the amazing and diverse content you keep bringing us Tom!
The easy way is to hold sheep’s favorite food in your hand and they’ll follow you anywhere.