The Thrustmaster T248 is almost a perfect beginner wheel | Hardware Review
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2021
- The Thrustmaster T248 seems to be the perfect wheel for sim racing beginners, which comes with great force feedback and a few nice details such as a LCD display that lets you switch between different modes and settings. Not bad for a price of around 350€, including the top tier T3PM pedals that come with it. But there is also one major flaw. Check out our review to find out, if the T248 is a wheel for you.
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The clicking sound issue can be fixed with a pair of rubber bands. It's easy, done it myself, now it's much more silent. (Edit: idea taken from other UA-camrs.)
The paddle shifters are one of my favorite things about this wheel lol.
Yh it doesnt really matter for me
I just picked this up yesterday. I love it! Great entry level T3PM and wheel. The loud magnetic paddle shifters were NOT a deal breaker for me. I like em.
I got it today, Maybe i am doing something wrong, but my wheel seems to be so heavy to rotate I dont know to to do or is it just my opinion because i am new to racing wheels, It only feels heavy when in the games I use the wheel in, Asseto, GT7, even ETS2
@@marekvolik that might be because of the FF if you have it at a high setting
If you ever want to quiet them just get some mechanical keyboard dampener O-rings and put one (or more if wanted) halfway into the space behind each paddle when fully depressed. This will DRAMATICALLY reduce the loud snap noise from them slamming back into their resting spot. 🤷
(The much quieter actual "actuation noise" from when the paddles actually trigger/activate when fully depressed remains totally unchanged though, leaving them still satisfyingly "clicky" IMO.)
I actually have a UA-cam Short on my account showcasing just this fix/how well it works and how cheap & easy it is.
If the only issue is the loud click of the paddles, then is just amazing, can't wait to get my hands on it.
Ha! I actually LOVE how loud the shifters are, so that's the package for me! :D Will be quite an upgrade from the second-hand DrivingForce Pro I am using!
Yes, the shifters have their own character! 😂 We wish you a lot of fun with it! 🙌
Clicky paddles is the flaw? For real? I have a 1000$ rim on my direct drive and the magnetic paddles are louder than those lol
Its a junk wheel thats why.
@@Bobbarker23455 the t248 or my thousand dollar rim?
I haven't tried a t248 but for the price it looks pretty good for people who don't want to fork out for a t300/tx. Definitely a better choice than anything logi or a t150/tmx
I love the "clicky" feel
It's a nice feeling wheel and I was impressed when I brought it home. THEN I SHIFTED. Jeeeez. I was headed back to return tomorrow. I just found out there's great fixes to this. Game. Changer.
I want these new pedals to run with my modded t300..pedals look like the real winner here. I would be interested in the t248 if I could change the wheel out. Maybe the new t600 later this year..haha or the thrustmaster DD coming this year also. That’s gonna be MY wheel..can’t wait!
The T300RS GT is by far your best option for sure. Think I've seen them for around £300.
@@oxygengraphafonadelaverberatorHe already has a T300 wheel base dumbass... 🤦😑 No offense, but learn to actually read the post before you write a reply. 🤷
Hello i just placed an order for this wheel at 274 dollars. I am from India and i have no previous experience of force feedback wheels. I had a very cheap wheel with 270 degrees of rotation and 2 pedal set which i was using for a while in ETS 2. But now i will have a far more experience with the T248. Hope it will not disappoint me. 😊
My sim rig is in my personal room so the loud shift petals is non issue. I really do like the little screen feature.
I wonder if this can be considered any sort of upgrade from a G29.
Im sure it is it was made to compete with the g923
Other than in physical wheel aesthetics and external build materials (although strictly talking about just the wheel itself) the T248 absolutely fucking CURB-STOMPS BOTH the G29 AND G923! (The latter's shitty internals are still basically identical to the former's.)
Logi's ancient ass, pathetically fucking weak and strictly "gear only" motors that they still use on EVERYTHING but their RIDICULOUSLY OVERPRICED direct drive model simply kinda fucking sucks massive ass donkey dick vs the competition nowadays. 🤷
are they any differences between the xbox version and playstation version for pc use
Gorilla Velcro tape works well with pedals as a mount
Yea, I was thinking of just sticking it to the floor (I have tiles). And I could probably leave the pedal-base under my desk as a footrest anyway. - And then removing it with "velcro" for... whatever I would need to remove it for, like cleaning I suppose.
Well shifter in t150 also loud but its fine
5:48 its hybrid, both the belt and gears are inside, not like in logitech where you have only gears
tbh logitech makes the same wheel in diffrent case every time
Is it worth going from the T150 to this?
I bought the t248, however the left paddle seems doesnt have the safe feel as the right paddle shifters. I am talking about the paddle shifters and not paddle. Is this by design or did I get a defective piece. Is the left paddle different from the right paddle?
I got it for 20k. Should I keep it or get a refund.
What hardware do you need for rig mounting?
This is kind of more than just a wheel for beginners. For a G29 owner, it's a full on upgrade. I'm upgrading to it from my G29, the pedals alone are worth it, considering I'm on my second set of potentiometers and they're dying too. The magnetic setup, and overall build of the pedals is way better than the G29's, and the FFB strength and feel are both considerably better too.
How did you even brake a pair? I've been on my original pedals since 2019 and used em for daily usage
@@fabianheden8596 Just dust and shit messing with the pots. I even kept a bag over them to try to keep the dust and cat hair out, and cleaned them all the time. With both sets they took around 2 years before they failed. The first pair failed within the 2 year warranty and Logitech sent me an entirely new wheel and pedal set while letting me keep the old ones, which was cool. I actually ended up deciding to skip out on this wheel, and instead got a pair of CSL pedals with the load cell. They use the magnetic sensors instead of pots, so I won't have to worry about them ever dying on me like the G29 pedals did. Next upgrade is gonna be that really cheap DD wheel Fanatec has now.
It's both hilarious and depressing as shit how you have people SERIOUSLY recommending the hugely inferior G923 (aka G29 internals but w/ a fresh coat of external paint) over this....😑🤦
Outside of sheer physical wheel aesthetics/build materials quality, Thrustmaster's T248 option is superior (and in someways MASSIVELY so) in literally every single way that ACTUALLY FUCKING MATTERS!!! 🤷
@@Cooe. You rate this week then yh? thinking about getting it, I know the t300rsgt is better but it's not far off double the price
Can i use just the wheel and pedal for manual setting inGTR 6
I still love my T300AE
I'll just stick with my TMX thanks.
What handbrake works with this for PS5?
Started with the G29, didn't enjoy it with AC with the brrrrrrr sounds so changed to TMX Pro and this was going to be my next wheel but the paddle shifters of this really are a deal breaker for me. I wish they went with the TMX design for the paddles, would have bought this in a heartbeat. TMX paddles are also a bit loud but they are satisfying to use and has a nice feel, downgrading to a loud plastic sound just doesn't seem worth it for racing.
@@ualreadyknoitsyaboi not available in my country and importing them would cost 2 to 3 times the price.
isnt really much of an upgrade over the t150, you can make the t150 better then this thing for 20 bucks. even without upgrades its 70% as good, get a t300 or a fanatec
@@phrg8332Bullshit. The T150 is literally almost HALF as powerful as the T248 (≈2nm vs ≈3.5nm), with significantly less fidelity & clarity in the feedback too, and the loud paddle sound can easily be fixed with just a thin rubber o-ring/rubber band like for mechanical keyboards or braces.
And the T300RS GT is not only a HEFTY +$150 more ($450 vs $300) BUT ALSO comes with the inferior last-gen T3PA pedals w/ eventually guaranteed to fail potentiometers vs the newer & current T3PM pedals in the T248 which have 100% wear free & faster + more accurate magnetic Hall effect sensors instead, AND significantly more pedal adjustability.
People complaining about the clicking noise of the paddle shifters obviously are not full sim rig racers. Ever hear someone shifting with a Thrustmaster TH8A or a Fanatec shifter? What about buttkickers or motion platforms? Racing gets loud.
So yes, if you are quietly gaming in your living room and your wife is on the couch next to you watching videos on her tablet, it will be loud.
Who let's their wife sit next to them while they're gaming anyway? Lol 😂
@@LogicallyKnot all the time. Same thing, watching videos on her tablet. We like to be together. That's why we're married.
@@smokesgtp
Give it some time. You'll change your tune if you can stay married long enough. Been with mine for 23 years and we've been married for 23 years because we don't sit next to each other too much. Old timers with 60 year marriages had separate beds for a reason.
@@LogicallyKnot fair enough my man
I agree, I was surprised this was a criticism when it's not really that bad. - It sounds... appropriate. - Besides, headphones and deafening car-noises... I doubt you'd be that bothered. - And also people have already mentioned that you can improvise either rubber bands around the shifters, or even some foam underneath where it hits (I guess) to dampen it, if really necessary.
Get a t300rs gt, best beginner wheel and you can upgrade the rim
What wheel turning resolution pls??
I got this wheel and I love it but I will say grip levels on the wheel when hands get sweaty is a big issue and personally if your a big drifter this wheel defo is not the one you want as it’s abit rough on rotation and it’s awkwardly flat at the bottom and can be abit hard to catch sometimes other than that this wheel is faultless especially on the pedal box
Just get a set of racing gloves.
What would be a good wheel for under 400€ for drifting??? I'm lost the logitech's are not good apparently, this one either heeeelp
With wone is better t300 or t248
How do you mount these pedals to a Simlab P1-X rig?
Carefully
I started sim racing at 27 so I went straight for the fanatec CSW V2.5. Alot of people think its not worth spending a bit more on a wheel and in a way there right. A cheap wheel is still alot of fun but a good wheel just takes the emersion to another level. If I knew what I know now at that time I would of probably got a better one (DD1)
@Jonas Jonaitis as a genuine question, not a dig lol. What makes it better than the DD1? What are the differences?
@Jonas Jonaitis looking at prices and there about the same. Sounds like a no-brainer to me lol. Thanks for the advice 👍
@@danielhearn5543 dd1 is just as good man and Fanatec has a 100x better eco system. simucube is great but, don't trust these simucube fanboys. dd1 dd2 just as good trust me choose for ureself and choose what u like most know going wrong either way.
The DD1 is absolute shit lol. Worst DD I've ever used. Ive used simagic, VRS, simucube, osw, fanatec.
@jonas nah SC2 is great but VRS and Simagic make great stuff too. DFP feels just like a sc2 sport. Alpha mini is like what the CSL DD should have been. Basically you can't really go to wrong with any DD as long as you don't buy a fanatec
@terry T found the guy who's never used a better wheel than his fanatec and is trying to justify how much money he wasted on an inferior product lol
@@ChrisWolf1 I've used them as well there good. Fanatec is just as good tho, this guy just out of his mind with hate lol choose what u like man all i can say. If u go with a Fanatec dd1 or dd2, simagic or simucube u will be happy trust me!
Should I buy the T300RS GT or be looking at something else? I am just getting into sim-racing.
pretty sure you got your answer right in this video
t300rs is the best wheel you can get at its pricepoint
t300rs gt is great.
the t248 also seems good, considering its 100€ less where I live (and has better pedals).
i started with a g29... its still my main wheel.
My heart aches for you
@@corvette_jake7225 as long as people have fun with their gear.
@@corvette_jake7225 Its still a really good wheel lol, its either that or fanatec not no thrustmaster cheap plastic bs
@@matkorkes1304 youre right in some ways but the ffb in any logitech wheel is awful, looks alot better! but its bad
@@matkorkes1304 yeah.
Thrustmaster wheels are much better imo, the ffb and pedals.
But logitech has better materials and build quality, less noise and will last longer
If anyone could help that would be greatly appreciated, here is my question:
What would be a good/the best wheel + pedal set for drifting in assetto corsa ?
Apparently the g29/920 and this t248 are not really good for drifting.
I've heard that the t300 might be a good option but if you have any interesting suggestions that would be awesome. Btw my budget is MAX 500€ And 300€ if possible (but i doubt it lol)
I don't want to spend 200/300€ and then realize that the wheel is garbage for drifting i also don't want to spend hours trying to mod the wheel to make it work just for drifting.
The belt drive T300RS is absolutely DOGSHIT at the current $400 price. If you're willing to pay that much just get a full-blown entry-level direct drive bundle from Fanatec or Moza. 🤷
For example, Fanatec's proper direct drive CSL DD bundle is currently the EXACT SAME $400 price as the external belt-driven T300RS, which is not ONLY more powerful right out of the box (≈5nm vs T300's ≈4.5nm) BUT can be upgraded to a HEFTY ≈8nm for just $100 w/ a simple power supply brick + cable upgrade!
Basically the
I have the G920 and the noise level is horrendous. im wondering why you didn't mention anything about the noise level from the T248 and weather it can modded like the G920 series wheels can?
if the noise level is too high chances are you ffb settings are too high for your mount
It's almost silent
The addition of a belt to the motor system makes the T248 DRAMATICALLY QUIETER than Logitech's absolutely fucking ANCIENT gear-only junk design motors that they utterly REFUSE to get rid of for some absolutely ungodly reason. 🤷
What Nm force?
hey, how does this compare to the t300rs?
Ffb side 300 is better but 70% better then t150
t300 will be smoother and faster due to the belt drive and will allow you to use other rims from TM. This has a fixed rim like t150. But these pedals are better than the t300 pedals. Id go t300 and LCM pedals if you can afford it
(Former authorized Thrustmaster distributor)
@@ChrisWolf1 I've got a T300RS with the T-LCM pedals and I can support this notion, the LCM pedals are definitely worth it over the base T300 pedals.
Was about to say "shut up and take my money" until they highlighted the noisy paddles. Complete deal breaker. Thanks for the warning.
its not as loud as the video, its closer to mx blue/brown clicky noise
really not that bad only if youre surrounded by people that hate noise
It's actually easy to fix in seconds with just some mechanical keyboard dampener O-rings if it really does drive you nuts. 🤷
I literally just bought this after playing around with it for 5 mins
Is there a version for Xbox?
i love the t248 only problem with it is the deadzone
It's a poor wheel
@@michaelharrison200 i mean as someone who has driven with a direct drive wheel now the t248 is probably on of the best non direct drive wheels in my opinion at least unless you plan on doing rally and drifting.
@@michaelharrison200The T248 is absolutely great for the price, with pedals that punch DRAMATICALLY above their weight class! You otoh, just got a bad/dud early production model unit and didn't get it RMA'd in time. 🤷 So congratulations... you done fucking played yourself lol. Now clap yourself on the back.
The G25 was so damn cool
right? why are new wheels so fugly?
@@piworower Probably because they follow trends of real-life wheels. - This one looks like a regular modern car its wheel, like your average Kia-wheel or something, with the silver trims and those angular buttons. - I honestly don't really like the look, but it's the best choice for me in terms of features and price right now. - Also, it's kinda growing on me already, and it's fine...
Putting A piece of paper behind the padal shifters fixes the noise
No Euro Truck Simulator ?
The cable on the back off the pedals platform from the Logitech is braking between the pedals and the wall.
This is why i have to buy a new steering wheel. On the Trusmaster is the cable cumming from the left or right side much better.
The paddle shifters are really not as loud as everyone goes on about. I almost didn't buy it because every video complain about the loudness. bought it and was like wtf you call that loud? Its seriously not that loud, on discord I can hear a friend switching gears with the g29, t248 haven't ever once activated my mic.
So its base is different from T150/300?
yes.
It's a bit like t150, it's also a hybrid and you cant change rims on it like on t300. But, it's stronger and smoother than t150.
Does this wheel vibrate much? I have a pxn V10 and vibrates like a pig, throught the whole house, is this smooth? No vibration?
As far as I've read, it has very smooth force-feedback. It doesn't necessarily "vibrate" in the literal sense, it should push and pull. But you can also tweak the strength to your liking, I suppose.
Going to use this for the PC and the game American Truck Simulator. Any thoughts there?
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this be perfect if you can change steering wheel
This one or G923
Which one should I buy?
I use Ps5 and Series S so I don't know if it is possible to use on both consoles
its not, nor is there any xbox compatible version right now, they're still working on that. this wheel is much better then a logitech wheel, but a t300
(same price) is even better
Fanatec DD pro, just swap an Xbox wheel rim from a PS wheel, or just use the thrustmaster on PC through Xbox live and on console for PS.
@@Gaming-Legends007 not what he asked for.. and csl dd is 2.5-3x the price, doesn't even exist everywhere
T248, easy. Andn it's not even a hard decision, either. The Logitech's literally almost unchanged from 2004 ≈2nm gear-only motor design is just kinda fucking trash. 🤷
this is much better than g923
Which is better t300rs gt or this t248??
t300rs gt.
But t248 has a bit better pedals (t300rs gt pedals are also good)
What would be a step up from this wheel
A true step up would be a direct drive wheel but they are very expensive. The cheapest new one would be the fanatec DD which retails for around 500 usd for JUST the base. Meaning you need to buy a steering wheel, pedals and then shifter/handbrake if you want them. Will end up be around 800-1000 USD depending on what you get, not mentioning that the DD is also sold out and very hard to find/get your hands on.
The thrustmaster t300 is a step up in some sense, but it is very old and the benefits are so minimal that you might as well just grab this.
ts mc, csl elite, or csl dd.
The two former are obsolete now to buy new, but they can be found for good price 2nd hand.
Otherwise, only csl dd is a true upgrade from this.
T300 is also, but very, very small upgrade. And the pedals aren't even as good
@@Skynexstar I've seen some people say that you can get a whole direct-drive set for significantly less now. - Just saying. But I'm not that audience at this point, and I found this particular set for like half the price of it's original tag, so I'm good with that.
Dam i just dont know what to get the t248 or the g293
if same price, I'd say go with t248 for sure. It is a better wheel, even if it is more plastic.
I was going to buy a DD Pro but the website had a warning about delay in processing and an accept box, I'm not too keen on giving someone 1200 dollars of my money and not receiving what I paid for for months. With that warning, it gives them the legal leeway to take as long as they want to deliver. I'm going to get one of these Thrust masters, perhaps it won't be garbage?
dd pro isnt that expensive but yes will take a while to get it.
the thrustmaster isnt garbage either no, its pretty great (but obviously not as smooth, strong, and premium feel as fanatec)
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j
The full kit + next day shipping + tax is $1179.00
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j
I got the Thrustmaster T248 and the Next Level Racing Challenger seat/rig. The Thrustmaster isn't bad at all. It's a lot more than I expected for sure. It doesn't pick up certain bumps in the road which is disappointing because it has a really good rumble to it..I thought it could be a firmware issue so I updated about an hour ago and it hasn't changed. The Challenger rig is a letdown for sure. Not worth the 380 I paid at Micro Center, its seems more like a $149.98 Walmart deal, but they were out of everything else, I really wanted that grey playside. They had something that looked like a nylon chair you'd take to watch your son's pee wee game, but it looked extremely flimsy. The seat and peddle deck is pretty good, but there is a ton of play where the steering wheel mounts. It really needs some support. I'll probably modify it, or just order me something better online.
@@LogicallyKnot a bit cheaper in europe then, but yeah, costs that much if you want the 8nm, clutch pedal, load cell brake.
A good rig is the biggest pain in the ass I think with simracing. Issues with flexibility, stability, confortability, size, price etc. Sometimes I think I might simply not get any even if I get a csl dd lol.
With a t150 pro it was fine just being on the table.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j
I'm finding out that this stuff can get quite expensive. Seen a really nice curved monitor at the store yesterday. And when I say curved, I mean curved. They wanted 1599 for it, but it would be perfect to race on.
My wife might have my head if I come home with that lol. Considering I just bought a 75 inch television to play on. Didn't even think to look at monitors before I bought the TV. I didn't even know they made something like that?
So what's better? The T248 or the G29? I'm buying a wheel in 5 days!!!!!!
imo the g29 has a better price/quality ratio
so i was wondering as well but as black friday came the t248 was the same price as g29 so yeah i bought the 248
t248:
more and better, smoother, force feedback
significantly better pedals, both look, feel and quality.
on wheel display, easier configuration
Logitech:
Better materials (synthetic leather), and less likely to break internally. Also more silent, and decent resell value.
Both look like toys in their own ways, t248 resembles a real cars wheel a bit but up to you which you think looks better.
I gave in and just got one for 300. Every wheel had comments that it was great and it was also shit. I was sick of looking back and forth at love hate comments and then I saw it new for 299 and grabbed it. I guess il see how it is as a first wheel. Lol.
How is the wheel so far? I can get it for a similar price and it seems to be a good choice for the price.
Right?... I also got fed up. Reviews really digging in on SOME aspects and disapproving it for those reasons, while loads of user-comments say it's overall good to great. - But then, I can totally understand if more experienced users, like reviewers, will just shoot it down for anything remotely negative. I'm like that with other things I'm experienced with, that's why I understand. But that's not very realistic for the majority of consumers. - The main thing that pushed me to this one over the TMX-set is that the 2-pedal... well, pedal... got a lot of criticism for being mediocre, while the TMX-wheel itself is solid. - I would've gotten that one for about 100 Euros less if the pedals were fine. But then I considered getting the pedals that come with the T248 separately for another hundred, but that would add up to the price of the T248 with the pedals (at least currently discounted), plus putting me up with the unused pedals of the TMX-set. - So for 216 Euros, and my first wheel and pedal set in many years, this can't be bad.
I'm excited to try it. My biggest worry is rather the wobly table I have perhaps getting judo-slammed by the force-feedback, but perhaps it will only be wobly and I could turn that down. - Also, not so sure about Linux-support, but anyway... I'll MAKE it work, like I always have to. - Good thing that a lot of settings seem to be within the wheel itself, which is cool.
Für was brauchst du eine Corona Maske beim fahren ?
Just plugged my sons in and it’s doing nothing only calibrating,,nothing else like it’s not connected
More than double the price of the t150. Which one to get for realistic experience?
t150 is garbage (pedals), compare it to t150 pro.
And now, this t248 is cheaper, just above 300 euro. t150/tmx arent in stock, but were 250 euro. This is definitely worth it now, if dont wanna buy 2nd hand
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j I got it and I’m having trouble setting it up. :(
@@lmea842
make sure it's plugged in to a usb 3.0 (blue color inside the connector), otherwise it won't work (at least that was the case for t150 and t300).
Then don't forget to download the thrustmaster software, update the device if needed, plug in all cables and then set it up first in the "Control Panel" (from the installed thrustmaster software) and then ingame
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j do you have discord?
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j your help would be appreciated
i think i watched too much jarno opmeer... i like loud shifters
maybe not for left foot braking
maybe ill get this instead of the logitech
is there an xbox version?
There is, I’m using it and I’m very satisfied with it.
T300rs vs T248 ?
t300rs is better, if same price
why is it so hard to trun , cant even do with one hand lol
just got one from amazon black friday....£229 with tpm pedals.....£45.80 a month for 5 months no interest....damn bargain
Same, but this year and even a little less than that. - I come from have no wheel and pedals at all in the last too many years.
omg is it that hard for anybody to say if its any good for drifting or not?
its not, way too slow of a wheel. t150 is as fast
you can drift with it, but not ideal. t300 is better for that
Looks really cheap in design. Nice pedals but the wheel itself looks pretty poor. It looks like a high end wheel for a Sega Dreamcast back in 2000. I believe Logitech G920/G29/G923 is the way to go for a beginner wheel as it is reliable, looks nice with the leather stitching, and has great developer support. After the Logitech G wheel series, I would go for the Thrustmaster T300 or base Fanatec setup.
2 of 2 g923 were overheating for me (and I could lose all FFB in the middle of the race randomly) + I had some massive issues with it in gt sport. I chose Logitech for the reliability, and fortunately for me, Amazon gave me my money back. I can’t recommend it because of that. I’ll get t248 in a matter of days and hopefully things will be better
@@afdkj7863 So how has the T248 been treating you?
@@afdkj7863 shouldve got a t300
Are you seriously that shallow??? O_o That's because Thrustmaster spent the money where it ACTUALLY counts!!! 🤷 The motor system, tech/internals, & the pedals.
At ≈ 3.5nm this is by FAAAAAAAR the most powerful wheel in the $250-$350 price point! (T150/TMX are only ≈2nm while all every single Logi you list in this price bracket peak at just ≈2.5nm). And the feedback quality & fidelity w/ TM's belt + gear hybrid drive absolutely FUCKING ANNIHILATES the gear only motor system in the Logi wheels, which instead skimp on the internals to are built of nicer outer materials & thus look/feel "more premium" (that's where Logitech thought it was important to spend $ 🤷 I disagree with their take, but you might not).
I'd rather have the VASTLY better functioning internals but a cheaper looking/feeling outer wheel, but if all you care about is exterior looks even if the innards are significantly worse that's not my prerogative. I care WAAAAAY more about actual function than something as mostly irrelevant as appearance.
I don't like the look either, as it looks like your average current modern car's wheel (with the trims and buttons and all). - But at the same time, it looks fine, and I've purchased it for its features. Oh, and the price-tag I found, cause I sure wouldn't pay full-price for it. There would be other options then.
It's disappointing.
At this price point deal breakers should not exist. The Logitech DFGT had a drop down thing that held it in place on a carpet. The G29 has it too. The T3PA didn't. It was a huge shortcoming and I was sure they would fix it eventually.
They didn't.
The feeling of the gears isn't a big deal in the G29. It is a big deal in the T150 though. It feels much worse, even though the force feedback itself is better.
For context: I tried to upgrade from the DFGT. I tried the T150 Pro and the G29, but returned both due to quality issues. Aside from the stuff I mentioned above, the T3PA is a squeak fest. Sure you can take it apart and lube it. But that's not something you do to something that's 3 days old and under warranty. I also had a ton of wobble on the brake pedal. The wheel was a bit squeaky as well when the force feedback was working hard and the fan was loud.
The G29 had the known wheel wobble and the brake pedal had a loud click when pressed halfway down.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I disagree with your statement that beginners have lots of good choices. They don't. I wish my DFGT was still alive.
Except that the T248's supposedly massive "paddles are too loud" issue is painless, quick, and almost entirely free to fix... 🤦😑
(And this is possible because they don't actually loudly click when they're actuated [aka triggered], but rather when they slam super hard back into their resting spot!)
LITERALLY all you need to fix this "deal-breaking problem" is two small rubber bands like those used with braces or to make mechanical keyboard switches quieter. Just stick one halfway (so you can easily remove them if needed) into the middle of the small gap in-between each paddle when they're fully pulled and their normal resting spot, and voila. No more crazy loud paddles for literally PENNIES in less than 30 seconds. 🤷
@@Cooe.That's actually pretty good info. Thank you.
@@Cooe. Yea, I see a lot of back and forth on this. - "It's stupidly loud!" and then "Use rubber bands or foam!". - Some even say the noise isn't even a big deal and just fine. - Having heard it in various videos only, it seems fine, especially if I'd wear headphones with loud car-noises in them anyway. Let alone if I'd use one or both of the methods to dampen the noise. - I'll find out soon enough, cause I've ordered this, for a rather low price as well.
I just ordered this set for 213 Euros, after too many years of not having had a wheel (cause money and priorities as an adult), so I'm sure I'll be happy with it. - I just hope it won't break down or anything like that, cause I won't accept that, even for a much reduced price-tag. (Though, I think I have a 2-year warranty from the store itself anyway.) - I honestly wouldn't take the gamble if the price-tag was over 250 Euros. - Also, apparently it's not suitable for drift-racing, due to supposedly the return-speed not being fast enough. But... perhaps there's a setting or a mod, unless it will just never be able to return faster on a mechanical level. - Oh well, too late for me now, and I'll first just try normal racing.
looks like a kid design it 😂
And built it 🤣
It’s based on a Lexus wheel
@@luke811 what lexus it is?
@@shiftautomotive854 the cars company Lexus
@@korengames7762 no he means model of car
T248 or T300? Help me to decide :))))
Just get the TX Leather Edition if you have the money, it's the T300 but the rim is 100x better (only works for XBOX and PC)
if the inner handle was also same meterial, and wheel cost $100-150 less it would be good.
Now simply not worth it
nvm, now it is 310€, cheaper than g923. Just a bit lore than g29/g920.
I still prefer to get a 2nd hand t150 pro, but this is the best entry level wheel now
@@user-wq9mw2xz3jThe T150 Pro is actually significantly worse, so you better be saving lots. 🤷 At the current $250 vs $300 MSRP's only an absolute freaking clueless idiot gets the T150 Pro over the T248. It's literally almost HALF as powerful (≈2nm vs ≈3.5nm) with significantly less fidelity & clarity in that feedback. It also has the last generation, guaranteed to eventually fail bc potentiometers (see every analog stick that's developed drift) T3PA pedals vs the newer, current gen T3PM ones in the T248 which are 100% wear free w/ faster & more accurate magnetic Hall effect sensors AND they have notably more pedal adjustability.
I have been using T-150.
It should be good for someone getting into it. But it is not an upgrade for me.
If not going DD, maybe the T-GT II is the way to go for me.
Buying an ancient belt-drive TGT-II at this point over a direct drive Fanatec CSL DD that actually has a LOWER price would be absolutely fucking idiotic... 🤦😑
just buy a T300..
That feels like cheap plastic too, plus the pedals are so ass
My year old pre-order T248 is absolute rubbish, the rotation ALLWAYS reset itself, =massive understeer and massive unnecessary feedback, stupid multi function buttons that make you stop playing to reset them when using it, what a disappointment, I WISH I BOUGHT LOGITECH and seriously thinking of selling it., are there any special settings for this wheel? 50% force and ffb2 on gran turismo 7
Plug it into a PC, update the firmware, and then configure the fine-grained settings on there before moving it back to the PlayStation, you absolute freaking dingus... 😑🤦 Lol, if you're still running on the problematic launch firmware because you literally never ONCE plugged it into a PC, you done fucking GOOFED uber-noob style!!! 🤣
No good for long races... very bad . Hot problems......
It's just so damn ugly
This is where every hardcore sim racer gets wrong. They think every gamer wants the 'real experience' or it's a stepping stone into sim racing or 'beginner' sim racers. No that is not what many want. We don't want to 'get into serious sim' we just need a decent cheap wheel that beats a controller.
But type in 'best wheel for console' to you tube, and its just hundreds of snobby sim racers who think anyone wanting a wheel MUST AUTOMATICALLY want to sim race.
Every single tuber also scoffs, mocks, and looks down on anything except high end. Is there actually and normal gamer on YT that will review this for what it is?
it's even worse than that. Many simracera don't even go for the "real experience", they just want more, more and more power and feel.
in real life, cars even racing cars have power steering so the high forces with high end racing wheels aren't "realistic"
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j completely true. I own a porsche spyder and an f-type SVR in the real world. load cell and force feedback are completely unrealistic unless your driving a car without power steering, so for classic cars maybe there is a truth, but i dare any sim racer to take the wheel of a modern sports car and tell me sim wheels realistic. Paddle shifters on these wheels are the closest to real life more than the wheel, and even then the microswitches in them are too precise. My f-type paddles do not 'click' like my ps5 wheel. Also im a helicopter engineer by trade, i use multi million pound helo sims to recreate catastrophic failure incidents etc, and i have not come across anything realistic made by man to simulate real life feel. However...as a hobby i do love sims for fun. But yeh, when simmers take things so serious..i stop taking them serious.
Why spend 40 to 100k on a sim setup...go get a track weapon for real.
@@Sabre_Wulf1 agreed except the last point, I mean sure real racing with whatever vehicle will give a feel like no sim can, but I don't think its necessarily wrong to spend a lot on simracing if one loves it.
It sounds like a lot of money, and it is, I wouldn't spend more than 1k€/$ on a setup (excluding pc), but I'd still rather spend 20k less on a real car and instead spend that money on a simracing rig as it's much cheaper to run, no car taxes, "access" to race tracks, and multiple cars.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j totally get it, im a gamer too at heart, there is probably a safety thing in all this too. Sim aint going to get you killed unless your rig somehow is too real 🤣👍. Last point i made is subjective and i get your point of the extra expense of track days and wear and tear such as tyres and oil changes. I do love the sims, but i do love the real thing more. However, utterly understand taking the sim route rather than tracking for real. Its getting more expensive, those petrol prices are killer, i put £100 in my tank for a 'play' today. Wiped that out in half a day and prolly 2mm off my rears.
@@Sabre_Wulf1 Despite of the prices of wearables and used car prices skyrocketed (especially JDM), not everyone is close to a race track too lol its not like there is a race track near everyone wherever they live...
And another thing is the voices and insults from family members, u buy a simrig, ur playing a video game, u go to a track day, u r playing in a playground, either way u r "playing" like a kid to them lol
My very first wheel was this MadCatz thing that has no vibrations at all, the so called feedback was some spring loaded thing ... that's on PS1 I believed... then I got the T248 with a PS5 for GT7, I have nothing much to complain about except the buttons fade out quite easily... especially the X and O button
Most of us are not going to be an actual E-sport sim race driver competing with top drivers from other countries and so forth, and we probably just want to have a feel of being on the race track without too much pressure (because of all of those you know what reasons) at home with the AC on "racing" in the most relax way possible lol
I've had nothing but trouble with my T284. Now it won't even turn on. Haven't had it 7 days only used it once and now it doesn't turn on at all. Don't do it. Avoid Thrustmaster all together. French products that you won't ever get help with. P.O.S.
Its the ugliest wheel design ever
Ah, a rebadged T150.... only for twice the cost. Just buy a T300.
A rebadged *way more hideous* T150... no thanks, I'll keep my T150 RS Pro with T3PA pedals, otherwise a T300 GT with TLCM pedals would be a better option.
t300 doesn't work with ps5. It's actually made for ps3
@@mikaelyigitbas7057 its supported in PS5 by updating software
@@mikaelyigitbas7057 T300 does work on PS5. All you need to do is update the firmware.
so rebadging means a substantial NM increase, better pedals, and more durable sensors??
it's a t150 that looks cooler, that is all
it's stronger and possibly a bit smoother. and better pedals. but yeah.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong... 🤦😑 But way to tell everyone you have a T150 you bought once upon a time that you are trying to feel as best as possible about! 🤣 There's literally a significantly bigger power gap between this wheel (≈3.5nm) and your T150 (≈2nm} than the T248 & the $450 T300RS GT (≈4.5nm), and the feedback quality itself is significantly better. And the pedals are in a completely DIFFERENT FUCKING UNIVERSE vs the base T150/TMX model pedals! Hell, they're even still notably newer & better than the T3PA pedals in the T150/TMX Pro models!
i modded my shifters on the g29 to be magnetic with strong force they were pretty loud and nice stiff click (3 magnets each side) this comes exactly how i want my shifters to be out of the box
He means magnetic as in using wear free & stupid fast magnetic Hall effect sensors for detecting when they actuate (aka trigger) vs the guaranteed to eventually fail potentiometers that Logitech use, not just using actual magnets to make the force stronger or whatever... 🤦😑
And if your mod is actually using Hall effect sensors more magnets will only make it work WORSE!
@@Cooe. what u talking about i sold my g29 2 years ago i was comparing the force of actuation of both shifters and thrustmaster is much better to get anything similar to that u have to mod the g29
This one major complaint in this review can literally be "fixed" in mere seconds for mere pennies. Literally ALL you need to do is stick a single tiny rubber band/O-ring like those used for braces or quieting mechanical keyboard switches (these being ideal) behind each shifter paddle. 🤷
To do this, simply pull the paddle in all the way and then shove just half of the tiny rubber band/O-ring (so you can still easily get it out later if you ever want to switch back to stock) into the space between where the paddle is now and its normal resting position using like a pen tip or similar, and that's literally it. Significantly quieted paddles = accomplished! 😁
Great tipp, thank you very much! - Rene
@@OverTake_gg Np! And if anyone ever needs them to be even MORE QUIET after doing the above, you can simply continue to add additional rubber bands/O-rings into the gap as needed! (While ofc making sure that both sides are using the same # of bands.)
And these rubber band sound dampeners don't even affect the paddles "actuation feel", as the noise doesn't actually happen until AFTER they've fully actuated! (Aka, registered a "click"). With the noise actually being from the paddles slamming super hard back into their resting spot. (And this is actually why the problem is so damn cheap & easy to fix. If it was the ACTUAL paddle actuation/"clicking" point that was causing the noise, it would likely be absolutely impossible to fix, or at least semi-easily that is. 🤷)